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MnitPii Glrntri nf Appeals
F oe the E ighth  Circuit 

No. 19952

L. R. J ackson, et al.,

v.
Appellants,

W heatley S chool D istrict N o. 28 
of St. Francis County, Arkansas, et al.,

Appellees.

APPEAL FROM THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT1 
FOB THE EASTERN DISTRICT OF ARKANSAS 

EASTERN DIVISION

A P P E N D I X

J ack Greenberg 
J ames M. Nabrit 
N orman C. A maker 
Conrad K . H arper

10 Columbus Circle 
Suite 2030
New York, New York 10019

J ohn W alker
1820 West 13tb Street 
Little Rock, Arkansas

George H oward, J r.
329% Main Street 
Pine Bluff, Arkansas

Attorneys for Appellants



I N D E X

Docket Entries .... ......................_____ _________ __  la

Complaint ___________________ __________ __ __  2a

Answer ........ .............. ............... .... ..... .......... ................ 7a

Letter Memorandum dated June 27, 1969 _______ ___  10a

Transcript of Testimony ____ ____ ___ _________ .5-343

Judgment ...................... ... ........ ................................... . 344

Notice of Appeal....... .......... ............... ........................ . 345

Bond for Costs on Appeal____ ____ __ ____ ____ __ 346

Testimony

Plaintiffs’ W itnesses:

Sidney Kennedy—
Direct .... ..... ..................... ...............................  6

Ira 0. Wheeler—
Direct ______________ __ _________ ______ 19
Cross ......... ....... ............ ...................................  65
Redirect ............ ........... .............. ..............75, 86, 87
Recross ......................... .......... ..... .................85, 87

By the Court ............ ..................................... ......... 89
L. R. Jackson—

Direct ______ __ ____ ________ __________ 95
Cross ------- ------- ------------- ------ --------- - 121
Redirect ...... ........................ ........... ................  140
Recross ....... .... ................................... ........... 142

By the Court..................... ................. ........ .............  143

PAGE



Marvin E. Coleman—
Direct ..... ....... .......................................... ....... 144
Cross ............     149
Redirect .....................................      153

By the Court ............................................   154
Mittie Jackson—

Direct...... ................     337

Defendants’ Witnesses:

Mittie Jackson—
Direct .......................    155

William Irving—
Direct .....    160
Cross ..............        169

Bv the Court ...............................     175
Malissa A. Meeks—

Direct ...........        180
Cross .....................        189
Redirect ......     191
Recross ...........              193

Bobby Michaelis—
Direct .............................................................   195
Cross ........      205
Redirect ...................................... .......-............  215
Recross ____ _______ —............... -....— ........ 216

Billy Joe Jo n es-
Direct ............................ .................................— 218
Cross ...........— .............. -............. -...... —- ........  230
Redirect .............. —............................... -.... .....  241

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Russell James Noosler—
Direct ............................... ................................ 242
Cross ........................................................ ....246, 251

By the Court .............................. ...... ......................  250
Redirect ............      252
Recross ............ ........................................... .....  252

Robert G. Noosler—
Direct ......................       255
Cross ...... .................................. ............... ........ 261
Redirect ................       268
Recross .................. .......... ..... ........... ..............  269

By the Court ................... ............. ..........................  274
Sidney M. Kennedy—

Direct ........... .................................. ........... .....  275
Cross ..... .........- .... ......................................—  301
Redirect ................      328

By the Court ........................ ...................................  329
Recross .................       334

E xhibits

Plaintiff s’ Exhibits:
Offered
Page

1— Letter dated May 28, 1968 ............................. 48
2— Letter dated November 20, 1968 ............... 51
3— Letter dated May 28, 1968 ......................... 52
4— Letter dated May 28, 1968 ........................... — 55
5— Letter dated May 28, 1968 ........... ..............— 58
6— Minutes of Board March 25, 1964 ...............  59
7— Minutes of Board April 11, 1960  ..... ....... . 60
8— Minutes of Board April 2, 1968 ................ ......  61

PAGE



Offered
Page

9—Minutes of Board March 11, 1968 ....— .......... 64
10— Invoice of School Products Co. ...   303
11— Statement of School Products Co................. 303
12— Statement of School Products Co...........  304
13— No. of students in classes _____.________  320
14— No. of students in High School ....... ............ 321
15— List of teachers ’67-’68 school y e a r ...... ........ 336

Defendants’ Exhibits:
1— Minutes of Board April 29, 1968 ... ..............  71
2— State Dept. Certificate (Le Roy Jackson) ..... 123
3— —90 hour Permits  ...... — ..................... - ....... 153
4— 90 hour Permits ........................ ........... ....... 153
5— Teacher’s Contract ( Millie Jackson) .......... 163
6— Elementary Certificate (Mrs. Meeks) ------  192
7— Student’s Permanent Record (Mrs. Meeks) .... 193
8— Letter dated October 19, 1967 ___— ...... . 283
9— Reading Tests (Nelson and California) .. 296

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9-12-68

9-27-68

2- 5-69

3- 13-69

3-14-69

7- 1-69 

7- 1-69

7-28-69

7-28-69

D ocket Entries

Complaint filed.

Answer filed.

Pre-trial before Judge Harris in Helena. Prayer 
of complaint to be amended and counsel for 
parties to complete discovery. Case set for trial 
on March 13th.

Court trial before Judge Harris in Helena be­
gun at 9 :30 a.m. Not having been concluded at 
5 :20 p.m., continued until March 14th at 9 :30 
a.m.

Court trial resumed. At the conclusion of testi­
mony for parties, briefs to be submitted; defen­
dant— 20 days; pltf— 10 days to reply.

Letter memorandum by Harris, J. filed.

Judgment, claims of plaintiff denied and com­
plaint dismissed, signed and dated June 30, 
1969.

Notice of appeal filed by plaintiffs.

Bond for costs on appeal filed by plaintiffs.



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IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
E astern District of Arkansas 

E astern D ivision

Complaint

Civil A ction F ile No. H 68 C-22

L. R. J ackson, Marvin E. Coleman, Mrs. Mittie J ackson, 
Mrs. Malissa A. Meeks and the Arkansas T eachers 
A ssociation, A Nonprofit Association Organized Under 
the Laws of the State of Arkansas,

Plaintiffs,
vs.

W heatley S chool District No. 28 of St . F rancis County, 
Arkansas, A Corporation; S idney K ennedy, Superin­
tendent of Schools of the Wheatley School Dist. No. 28; 
and I ra 0 . W heeler, B illy J oe J ones, B obby" Mich - 
aelis, B obby Noosler and P aul Behring, Board of 
Directors of the Wheatley School Dist. No. 28 of St. 
Francis County, Arkansas,

Defendants.

I.
The jurisdiction of this Court is invoked under Sections 

1331, 1343, 2201 and 2202 of Title 28 of the United States 
Code. This is an action in equity authorized by Sections 
1981 and 1983 of Title 42 of the United States Code to 
be brought by a citizen of the United States or other 
persons within the jurisdiction thereof to redress the 
deprivation, under color of state law, statute, ordinance,



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regulation, custom or usage of rights, privileges and 
immunities secured by the equal protection and due 
process clauses of the Fourteenth Amendment of the Con­
stitution of the United States.

II.
This is a proceeding for a preliminary and permanent 

injunction enjoining the Wheatley School District No. 28, 
its members and its Superintendent from generally re­
fusing to employ, reemploy, assign and use teachers with­
out regard to race or color and specifically from refusing 
to offer teacher contracts for the 1968-69 school year to 
plaintiffs L. R. Jackson, Marvin E. Coleman, Mrs. Mittie 
Jackson and Mrs. Malissa A. Meeks and other members 
of their class similarly situated solely because of their 
race and color.

III.
Individual plaintiffs are Negro citizens of the State of 

Arkansas and the United States who were employed by 
defendants to teach in the all Negro Wheatley Central 
Elementary School for the 1967-68 school year.

Plaintiff L. R. Jackson holds a B. S. Degree and has 
teaching experience in excess of 10 years.

Plaintiff Marvin E. Coleman holds a B. S. Degree and 
has teaching experience in excess of 10 years.

Plaintiff Mrs. Malissa A. Meeks holds a B. A. Degree 
and has teaching experience in excess of 10 years.

Plaintiff Mittie Jackson holds a B. S. Degree and has 
teaching experience in excess of 10 years.

Plaintiff Arkansas Teachers Association, Inc. (ATA) 
is an incorporated professional organization which repre­
sents most of the Negro teachers in the State of Arkansas.

Complaint



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The ATA. is authorized by its membership to engage in 
litigation to protect the employment rights and integrity 
of its members. Plaintiffs are members of the Arkansas 
Teachers Association, Inc.

Complaint

IV.
Defendant Wheatley School District No. 28 of St. Francis 

County, Arkansas, is a public body corporate organized 
and operating under the laws of the State of Arkansas.

Defendant Sidney Kennedy is the Superintendent of 
Schools of defendant school district.

Defendants Ira 0. Wheeler, Billy Joe Jones, Bobby 
Michaelis, Bobby Noosler and Paul Tehring are members 
of the Board of Directors of the Wheatley School District 
No. 28 of St. Francis County, Arkansas.

Y.
Defendant school district operates the public schools 

within the Wheatley School District No. 28 which includes:
The Wheatley Elementary School and Wheatley High 

School and prior to the 1968-69 school term, the all Negro 
Wheatley Central Elementary School.

VI.
Prior to the 1968-69 school term, defendants operated 

a completed segregated school system for white and Negro 
pupils. However, at the close of the 1967-68 school term, 
defendants decided to close the all Negro elementary school, 
namely, Wheatley Central Elementary School, in order to 
comply with the requirements of the office of Education 
of the United States Department of Health, Education and 
Welfare and plaintiffs were advised by Superintendent



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Sidney Kennedy that as a result of the desegregation of 
the schools, they would not be employed for the 1968-69 
school term.

That plaintiffs further allege that they were dismissed 
as teachers and were refused reemployment within the 
Wheatley School District No. 28 solely because of their 
race and color and because of a policy of defendants to 
assign Negro teachers to the formerly all white schools 
on a token basis; plaintiffs further allege that although 
four or five vacancies were created as a result of resigna­
tions on the part of certain white teachers, defendants 
failed and refused to consider plaintiffs for such vacancies 
and that defendants have hired or will hire for the 1968-69 
school term white teachers to teach in the Wheatley School 
District No. 28 of St. Francis County, Arkansas, whose 
experience and qualifications are inferior to that possessed 
by plaintiffs.

Complaint

VII.
That by the denial of employment of these plaintiffs 

within the Wheatley School District No. 28 of St. Francis 
County, Arkansas, solely on the basis of race and color 
of these plaintiffs, plaintiffs are subjected to and have 
suffered irreparable harm and injury. That no plain, ade­
quate and complete remedy exist to redress this injury 
other than this action for injunctive relief. Any other 
remedy to which these plaintiffs could be remitted would 
be attended by such uncertainties and delays as to deny 
substantial relief and cause further irreparable injury, 
damage and vexation.

Whebeeobe, it is respectfully prayed that upon the filing 
of this Complaint, as may appear proper and convenient



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to the Court and upon a hearing of this cause, this Court 
enter a permanent injunction requiring the defendants, 
their agents, employees and successors to :

A. Offer the plaintiffs a contract for the 1968-69 school 
term in accordance with their qualifications and experiences 
without regard to their race and color; and,

B. Enjoin defendants from employing any teachers to 
replace the plaintiffs until this matter has been duly heard 
by the Court.

I n the Alternative, plaintiffs pray that if the Court 
does not see fit to grant them the relief prayed above, the 
Court grant them money damages for loss of reputation 
in the teaching profession and in the community, reason­
able attorneys’ fees, cost of this action and for any and 
all other proper relief.

Respectfully submitted,

/ s /  George H oward, J r.
George H oward, J r.
329% Main Street 
Pine Bluff, Arkansas
J ohn W . W a lk er  
1304-B Wright Avenue 
Little Rock, Arkansas
J ack Greenberg and 
Michael Meltsner 
10 Columbus Circle 
New York, New York
Attorneys for Plaintiffs

C omplaint



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UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
E astern D istrict of A rkansas 

E astern D ivision

Civil A ction F ile No. H  68 C-22

Answer

L. R. J ackson, Marvin E. Coleman, Mrs. Mittie J ackson, 
Mrs. Malissa A. Meeks and the A rkansas T eachers 
A ssociation, A Nonprofit Association Organized Under 
the Laws of the State of Arkansas,

Plaintiffs,
vs.

W heatley School District N o. 28 of St. F rancis County, 
A rkansas, A Corporation; Sidney K ennedy, Superin­
tendent of Schools of the Wheatley School Dist. No. 28; 
and I ra 0 . W heeler, B illy J oe J ones, B obby Mich - 
aelis, B obby Noosler and P aul Gehring, Board of 
Directors of the Wheatley School Dist. No. 28 of St. 
Francis County, Arkansas,

Defendants.

I.
Defendants, jointly and severally, deny each and every 

allegation contained in Paragraph I of the complaint of 
plaintiffs.

II.
Defendants admit that the proceeding instituted by the 

plaintiffs appears to be one requesting a preliminary and 
permanent injunction enjoining the Wheatley School Dis­



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Answer

trict No. 28, its members and its superintendent, and De­
fendants, jointly and severally, deny each and every other 
allegation contained in Paragraph II of the complaint of 
the plaintiffs.

III.
Defendants admit that plaintiffs are Negro citizens of 

the State of Arkansas and the United States who were 
employed by defendants to teach in the all Negro Wheatley 
Elementary School for the 1967-68 school year, and de­
fendants, jointly and severally, allege that they are without 
knowledge or information sufficient to form a belief as 
to the truth of the balance of the allegations contained in 
Paragraph III of the complaint of the plaintiffs.

IV.
Defendants admit Paragraph IV of the complaint of the 

plaintiffs.
V.

Defendants admit Paragraph V of the complaint of the 
plaintiffs.

VI.
Defendants admit that they decided to close the all 

Negro Wheatley Elementary School, namely, Wheatley 
Central Elementary School, in an effort to comply with 
the requirements of the Office of Education of the United 
States Department of Health, Education and Welfare, and 
defendants, jointly and severally, deny each and every 
other allegation contained in Paragraph VI of the com­
plaint of the plaintiffs.



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VII.
Defendants, jointly and severally, deny each and every 

allegation contained in Paragraph VII of the complaint 
of the plaintiffs.

W herefore, P remises Considered, defendants, jointly 
and severalty, respectfully pray  that the complaint of 
the plaintiffs be dismissed, the prayers of the complaint 
of the plaintiffs be denied, for costs of this action and 
for any and all other proper relief.

Respectfully submitted,

P hil H icky and E. J. B utler, 
Attorneys for Defendants,
P. 0. Box 830 
Forrest City, Arkansas 
By / s /  E. J . B utler 

E. J. Butler

Answer



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United States District Courts 
E astern & Western Districts op Arkansas 

P. 0. Box 1733 
E l Dorado, Arkansas 71730

Oren H arris
CHIEF JUDGE 

WESTERN DISTRICT

June 27, 1969
Honorable John W. Walker 
1820 West 13th Street 
Little Rock, Arkansas 72202
Honorable E. J. Butler 
P. O. Box 830
Forrest City, Arkansas 72335

Re: Ho. H 68 C-22
L. R. Jackson, et al. v.
Wheatley School District Ho. 28, et al.

Gentlemen:
This case was tried to the Court Thursday, March 13 

and Friday, March 14, 1969, at Helena. Briefs have been 
submitted by the parties pursuant to request which was 
granted by the Court following the conclusion of the 
testimony. A copy of this letter is being filed with the 
clerk to be considered as the opinion of the Court to 
include finding of facts and conclusions of law.

This proceeding was brought by the plaintiffs, L. R. 
Jackson, Marvin E. Coleman, Mrs. Mittie Jackson and Mrs. 
Malissa A. Meeks, under 42 U.S.C.A. §§ 1981 and 1983, seek­
ing to redress the deprivation under color of state law of

Letter Memorandum dated June 2 7 , 1 9 6 9



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rights, privileges and immunities secured by the equal pro­
tection and due process clauses of the Fourteenth Amend­
ment to the Constitution of the United States. The juris­
diction of the Court is invoked under 28 U.S.C.A. §§ 1331, 
2201 and 2202. The plaintiff, The Arkansas Teachers As­
sociation, Inc,, (ATA) joins in the proceeding as repre­
sentative of Negro Teachers in the State of Arkansas.

This action seeks a preliminary and permanent injunction 
to enjoin the Wheatley School District No. 28 of St, Francis 
County, Arkansas, its superintendent and members of the 
board of directors from refusing to reemploy, assign and 
use teachers without regard to race or color and specifi­
cally from refusing to offer teacher-contracts for the 1968- 
69 school year to plaintiff's, L. R. Jackson, Marvin E. 
Coleman, Mrs. Mittie Jackson and Mrs. Malissa A. Meeks, 
solely because of their race and color.

These plaintiffs are Negro citizens previously employed 
by the defendants to teach and were teachers in the all- 
Negro Wheatley Central Elementary School for the 1967- 
68 school year. Each of the plaintiffs taught certain classes 
in the elementary school for certain periods of time prior 
to the 1967-68 school year. The school district operated a 
dual segregated school system which resulted in the plain­
tiffs being employed to teach the elementary grades in this 
all-Negro elementary school. It had only a “B” rating 
under established procedures as provided by the laws of 
the state.

In 1965 the school district adopted a program for inte­
grating the school system to meet the requirements by 
the Secretary of Health, Education and Welfare. Com­
mencing with the school year 1967-68 grades six through 
twelve, inclusive, were integrated with the completion of 
new facilities for the school district, For grades one through 
five the school used “freedom of choice”. However, all stu­

Letter Memorandum dated June 27, 1969



Letter Memorandum dated dime 27,1969

dents attended the new Wheatley schools on an integrated 
basis except some ninety students who attended the all- 
Negro Wheatley Central Elementary School taught by 
these and other all-Negro faculty members.

With apparent approval of H.E.W. the school district 
intended to continue the operation of the all-Negro Wheat- 
ley Central Elementary School for the school year 1968-69. 
On March 1, 1968, the defendants mailed freedom-of-choice 
forms to the parents of the children of these elementary 
grades in the school district. This was required under the 
approved freedom-of-choice plan. The parents had until 
April 1, 1968, to submit the elections as to which elemen­
tary school their child would attend.

In the meantime, on March 11, 1968, at a regular meeting 
of the school board it was decided that nine of the teachers 
in the school system would be reemployed for the school 
year 1968-69. At the same time the school board decided 
that four of the teachers would not be reemployed for the 
school year 1968-69. They were James Cooper (a white 
teacher), the plaintiffs, L. R. Jackson, Mrs. Mittie Jackson 
and Mrs. Malissa A. Meeks (Negro teachers). This action 
was taken on recommendation of the then superintendent 
of schools, Richardson. (Mr. Richardson subsequently re­
signed as superintendent of schools effective July 1, 1968, 
and was succeeded by Mr. Sidney Kennedy as superinten­
dent at that time.)

For the school year of 1967-68 five Negroes taught a 
total of ninety students in the first five grades at Wheatley 
Central Elementary School. From the report under the 
freedom-of-choice procedure as of April 1, 1968, some sixty 
of the students attending Wheatley Central the preceding 
year elected to attend Wheatley Elementary for the ensuing 
school year leaving only about twenty-five students to be 
enrolled in Wheatley Central for the five grades. The



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Letter Memorandum dated June 27, 1969

school board in a regular meeting on April 2, 1968, deter­
mined that it would be impractical to continue the elemen­
tary Wheatley Central School by employing five teachers 
to teach twenty-five students for the school year 1968-69. 
The school board decided to move all students from the 
Wheatley Central to the Wheatley Elementary School thus 
completely integrating the entire school system of the dis­
trict.

With the closing of the Wheatley Central the dual system 
no longer existed within the school district. This made it 
necessary for the school board to make adjustments re­
evaluating the faculty and arrange for the operation of the 
integrated school system without racial consideration as 
to both students and faculty.

At the April 2, 1968, meeting of the school board it was 
decided that Mr. Billy Harris (a white teacher) would not 
be reemployed and he was notified of the decision. The 
school board determined that it was necessary to upgrade 
the faculty in order to maintain an “A” rating. With the 
employment of the new superintendent of schools, Mr. Ken­
nedy, the school board entered into a contract with Mrs. 
Kennedy and one other teacher which would make the 
component of the faculty for the school year 1968-69. This 
was prior to the decision that Wheatley Central Elemen­
tary School would be closed. When the plaintiffs, L. R. 
Jackson, Mittie Jackson and Malissa Meeks were advised 
that they would not be reemployed, even before the deci­
sion to close Wheatley Central, they asked for and re­
ceived a hearing before the board. The board advised them 
the reason for their action and they were informed that 
should they wish to reapply and there was a vacancy for 
which either of them would be qualified, consideration would 
be given to their reemployment. But at the time the hear­
ing was given by the board it had already been decided to



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Letter Memorandum dated June 27,1969

close the Wheatley Central Elementary School and thus 
their previous position as elementary teachers no longer 
existed. Neither of the plaintiffs made formal application 
for future consideration.

Mrs. Anneice Cannon, a Negro teacher, was transferred 
from the closed Wheatley Central school to Wheatley Ele­
mentary School. In a decision to upgrade the faculty to 
meet the additional standards she was the only teacher at 
Central qualified to teach in Wheatley Elementary. The 
board reemployed for the school year 1968-69 Iola Fay 
Dickson, Lou Anna Spears, and Vicki Haley, all Negro 
teachers. James Haley, a Negro teacher and husband of 
Vila Haley, had resigned and had been given a release.

Thus, for the school year 1967-68 the Wheatley School 
District employed twenty-three teachers, including the 
superintendent. Five were located at Wheatley Central all- 
Negro elementary and eighteen in the new Wheatley inte­
grated schools. With the closing of Wheatley Central Ele­
mentary the number of teachers required for the school 
system was reduced to eighteen, exclusive of the superin­
tendent. Of the eighteen employed for the school year 
1968-69 four were Negro teachers and fourteen were white 
teachers.

The plaintiff, Marvin E. Coleman, had received an “emer­
gency permit” from the Department of Education, State 
of Arkansas, to finish the school year as a teacher at 
Wheatley Central Elementary School for the 1967-68 school 
year. His emergency permit expired automatically on 
August 31, 1968. There was some question that he would 
be certified and qualified to teach in the school year 1968-69 
unless he obtained additional semester hours of new credit. 
He was advised that he would not be reemployed under the 
conditions unless he obtained the additional requirements. 
He failed to meet the requirements and was therefore of­



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fered no contract for the school year 1968-69. He testified 
that later in the year he was certified by the Department of 
Education.

It is quite apparent that Mrs. Jackson met the quali­
fications as a teacher but there was substantial question as 
to her conduct in the community to become employed as a 
teacher in the integrated school of the Wheatley School 
system. There is substantial question as to the qualifica­
tions of Both L. R. Jackson and Malissa A. Meeks. L. R. 
Jackson and Mrs. Jackson are husband and wife, and Ma­
lissa Meeks is the sister of L. R. Jackson. It appears there 
is no- question but what the record of Mr. Jackson, Mrs. 
Meeks and Mr. Coleman was primarily responsible for the 
low rating being maintained for the Wheatley Central Ele­
mentary School.

This action for injunctive relief was filed September 12, 
1968. The school year had already begun or was just started 
and arrangements for teachers had long since been made.

In the meantime, Mrs. Jackson obtained a position as 
teacher at the Forrest City schools at a comparable salary 
that- she received at the Wheatley schools.

Mr. Coleman apparently made up requirements to some 
extent during the summer, received his certificate to teach 
and obtained a position with the Arkansas Enterprises for 
the Blind with a reduction in salary from $4800 to $4200 
for the school year.

Mr. Jackson and Mrs. Meeks were unable to obtain com­
parable teaching positions with their record, but were given 
employment with reduced salaries at Brinklej^ in a special 
program of adult teaching.

This is another instance where a school system has ac­
complished integration as required by law, which unfor­
tunately resulted in adjustment that caused certain of the 
teachers to become victims of the “constitutionally required

Letter Memorandum dated June 27, 1969



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process”. In Arkansas a school district has the right to 
investigate the competency and fitness of those employed 
to teach in its schools. There is no obligation on the part 
of the board to rehire a teacher should a determination be 
made that it would not be in the best interest of the school 
system if such decision is not based on the grounds of racial 
considerations.

Public school teachers have a right to demand and to 
be shown that race is not the criteria by which employment 
is granted or denied in determining whether the termina­
tion of a school teacher was racially motivated. This, as 
all other cases, must be decided upon the basis of its on 
particular facts, but in so doing the adjustments required 
must be kept in mind.

While there must be a source of satisfaction that the 
criteria for a constitutionally operated school system has 
been accomplished, it is unfortunate that some may be ad­
versely affected with the necessary adjustments. The pro­
cess of school integration is not always an easy accomplish­
ment. Disappointments as a result of integration will ob­
viously result in some instances. This appears to be the 
situation in this instance.

Jurisdiction is established, with respect to due process 
and equal protection, under the Civil Rights Statute, 42 
U.S.C.A. §§ 1981 and 1988, and under 28 U.S.C.A. § 1343(3) 
and (4), and is not questioned.

The Court concludes that this situation comes within the 
Walton decision, 401 F.2d 137, 1968. The Court said in that 
case, “Those who are employment victims of the constitu­
tionally required process should not immediately jump to 
the conclusion that their predicament is necessarily the 
result of racial considerations. They have every right to 
demand and to be shown that race is not the criterion by 
which employment is granted or denied. They must, how­

LeMer Memorandum dated June 27, 1969



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ever, face the fact that integration tends to do away with 
expensive and unnecessary duplication for districts already 
too short of funds and that often some persons will be 
terminated.”

Such is the case here regardless of the questions as to 
qualifications of one or more of the plaintiff's. The testi­
mony is clear that with the adjustment there was no vacancy 
for elementary teachers in the new school system effectuated 
by this school district for the school year of 1968-69. The 
testimony is clear that only one teacher was replaced in 
the elementary grades and that was at the time the school 
commenced when one of the Negro teachers resigned due 
to pregnancy. This in no way indicates that this Court 
decides this case contrary to the numerous eases decided 
in recent years. As was stated in the Walton case (supra) 
the facts do not add up to a showing of discrimination.

During the course of the hearing it was conceded that 
the question of contracts for these plaintiffs for the school 
year 1968-69 was moot, Counsel for the plaintiffs requested 
in the alternative that the Court grant damages for loss of 
reputation in the teaching profession and in the commu­
nity and reasonable attorney’s fees. The Court concludes 
that the evidence is not sufficient to sustain the plaintiffs’ 
contention of damages for loss of reputation in the teach­
ing profession and in the community.

Further, “in view of these conclusions, appellants are not 
entitled to attorney’s fees”. Walton v. Nashville, Arkansas 
Special School Dist. No. 1, supra.

And order will be entered denying the claim of the plain- 
tigs and dismissing the complaint.

Sincerely yours,

/ s /  Obex Harris
Oren Harris, Judge

Letter Memorandum dated June 27,1969

cc.: Mr. W. H. McClellan, Clerk



IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT

EASTERN DISTRICT OP ARKANSAS 

EASTERN DIVISION

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IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT 
EASTERN DISTRICT OF ARKANSAS 

EASTERN DIVISION

L. R. JACKSON, et al.,
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OF ST. FRANCIS COUNTY, ARKANSAS, 
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BE IT REMEMBERED, that the above entitled and 

numbered cause came on to be heard at Helena, Arkansas, on 

the 13th and 14th days of March, 1969, before Honorable Oren 

Harris, United States District Judge, wherein the following 

proceedings were had, to wit:

APPEARANCES:

For the Plaintiffs: Honorable John W. Walker
1820 West 13th Street 
Little Rock, Arkansas 72202

For the Defendants: Honorable E. J. Butler
P. 0. Box 830
Forrest City, Arkansas 72335

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Index of Testimony
Witness Dir. :Cross :Red.:Recr.:Re-Red.:Re-Rec:Re-Re-Red 

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Ira 0. Wheeler: 19 : 65 : 75 : 85 : 86 : 87 : 87, 94

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William Irving: 160 : 169 : : : : : 175
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Plaintiffs' Exhibits

Letter to Mr. Coleman, 5/28/68................
Letter to superintendent, 11/20/68............
Letter to Mrs. Meeks, 5/28/68.................
Letter to Mrs. Jackson, 5/28/68...............
Letter to Mr. Jackson, 5/28/68................
Minutes of Board, 3/25/6^4......................
Minutes of Board, 4/11/60......................
Minutes of Board, 4/2/68.......................
Minutes of Board, 3/11/68......................

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Defendants Exhibits

Minutes of Board, 4/29/68.......................
Lee Roy Jackson State Department Certificate...
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P R O C E E D I N G S  

THE COURT: There are two cases scheduled

for trial this morning, L. R. Jackson, et al, versus 

the Wheatley School District; and John Bolden, et al, 

versus the Wheatley Special School District No. 28.

Both of these cases arise out of the same school district, 

and as I recall from the pretrial in the matter primarily 

the same witnesses will be used in both cases. It was 

suggested by Mr. Walker that he wanted to try them 

separately. This morning we will hear L. R. Jackson, 

et al, versus the Wheatley School District, H 68 C-22.

Are you gentlemen ready to proceed?

MR. V/ALKER: Plaintiffs are ready, Your Honor. 

MR, BUTLER: Defendants are ready, Your Honor. 

THE COURT: At the outset are there any problerr

with reference to the pleadings or motions, or any reques 

MR. BUTLER: Your Honor, I would like to state

that there has been a change in witnesses. When we 

were here at pretrial we submitted a list, and we have 

Mr. Richardson here, the former superintendent; but in 

addition to the other witnesses listed we will have Mr. E 

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and Mr. Gehring will not be a witness.

MR. WALKER: We have no objections, Your

Honor.

THE COURT: You may proceed, Mr. Walker.

MR. WALKER: My first witness is Mr.

Sidney Kennedy.

WHEREUPON,

Sidney Kennedy, a witness called on behalf of the 

plaintiffs, being first duly sworn, testified as follows:

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Q. Please state your name?

A. I am Sidney Monroe Kennedy.

Q. And your address and occupation?

A. My address is Box 125, Wheatley, Arkansas. I am a 

professional educator.

Q. Where are you presently employed?

A. Wheatley school system.

Q. And you are superintendent of that school system?

A. Yes.

Q. What was the date that you began your responsibilities 

as superintendent of the Wheatley School District?

A. July 1st, 1968.

Q. What is your education, Mr. Kennedy?

A. I have a Bachelor of Science; 1 have a Master of Arts

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in Educational Administration Supervision. I have 2 4 

hours on a doctor's degree in educational administration 

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Q. At which institution?

A. Memphis State University.

Q. Mr. Kennedy, is it true that you had nothing to do with 

the recommendations to the board of directors that the 

plaintiffs in this case be dismissed?

A. Repeat your question, please?

Q. (Question repeated)

A. Yes.

Q. Did you recommend that any teachers be hired subsequent 

to July 1, 1968 to the board?

A. I did not recommend. Some teachers applied to the board. 

Q. My question is, then, how many teachers have been hired 

subsequent to July 1, 1968?

A. I don't know.

Q. Would it be as many as two?

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A. I don't understand the question - from when from 1968.

That's several years.

THE COURT: I understand Mr. Walker asked

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school district employed, since July 1, 1968?

A. Since July 1?

Q. (MR. WALKER, continuing) Since you became superintendent

A. I'm sorry, I thought you said before,

Q. I said "subsequent to".

A. Two.

Q. What is the race of those teachers?

A. Caucasian.

Q. What grades do they teach?

A. One of them teaches fifth grade, and the other is a 

high school principal.

Q. Was Mrs. Kennedy employed by the district subsequent to 

July 1, 1968?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. So that means a third person was also hired, is that 

true?

A. I ’m sorry. I'm confused on the word "subsequent". She 

was hired before July 1, 1968.

Q. But it was after the close of the 1967-68 school year?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. Do you know how many persons were hired after school 

closed at the end of the '67-68 school year up until 

July 1, the day that you took office, to teach in the 

Wheatley school system?

A. All of them were hired before July 1968 except two.

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What was that number of teachers?

I don’t know.

I have a list of your teachers. Maybe you can tell 

me whether these teachers were hired subsequent to 

May 28, 1968, and prior to July 1, 1968, when you becan 

superintendent. There is really a one-month period in 

between - that is, the month of June before you became 

ouperintendent, or shortly after school was out. You, 

of course, were hired.

Minola Kennedy, is that your wife?

Yes.

She was hired subsequent to the end of the school year?

You keep using the word "subsequent" - could we change 

that to before?

Subsequent means after, Mr. Kennedy.

All right, that’s what I was hoping, that the question 

was that way, but you kept... she was hired after July? 

No, after school was out last year, ’67-68.

I don't know, I don't remember these dates.

Mr. Kennedy, was your wife employed to teach by the 

school district for the 1967-68 school year?
Yes .

So that means she was employed after 1967-68, right?

Just one teacher and yourself, that makes two people 

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work there last year?

A. I believe she did.

Q. What about Lloyd Lackey?

A. I believe he did.

Q. John Clifton?

A. You’re asking me about the '67-68 school year?

Q. Yes. Did these teachers work there during the ’67-68 

school year?

A. I believe they did. As far as knowing I was not connecte 

with the system. I'm pretty sure they did, though.

Q. John Stroud?

A. John Stroud did not work there '67-68 to my knowledge.

Q. He does teach there this year?

A. Yes.

Q. E. E. Fowler.

A. Teaches there this year.

Q. Did he teach there last year?

A. I believe he did.

Q. Dick Hefner?

A. Taught there last year, I believe, and he is teaching 

there this year.

Q. Barbara Taylor?

A. I believe she taught there last year, and she is teaching 

there this year.

Q. Edith Ann Pierce?

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A. She did not teach last year, she is teaching this year.

Q. Connie Bellinger.

A. She did not teach last year, she is teaching this year,

Q. Alpha French.

A. I believe she taught there last year, and is this year.

Q. Mrs. Hoyle Halbert?

A. She did not teach there last year, and she is teaching 

this year.

Q. Laura Smith?

A. She... last year, she is teaching this year.

Q. She did teach there last year?

A. Yes.

Q. Iola Faye Dickson?

A. I would say I'm reasonably sure... these... they did

teach there last year, and they are teaching there this 

year.

Q. Anneice Cannon?

A. Same for Mrs. Cannon.

Q. Lou Anna Spears?

A. Same for Mrs. Spears.

Q. Evelyn Lineback?

A. She did not teach there last year, she is teaching there 

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Q. William Lee?

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Mr. Kennedy, I count, by your statement, a total of 

eight teaching personnel, or administrative personnel, 

who are employed by the school district for the ’68-69 

school year, who were not employed by that school 

district for the *67-68 school year. Of those eight 

persons that you identified, how many of those eight 

are black?

That did not teach there last year?

Yes, and are teaching there this year? The ones who 

are teaching there this year for the first time, how 

many are black?

Not any of them are black.

Mr. Kennedy, what is the race of lola Faye Dickson?

She is Negro.

Anneice Cannon?

Negro.

Lou Anna Spears?

Negro.

What is the racial composition of the pupils that Mrs. 

Dickson teaches?

The racial composition?

Yes .

She teaches predominately Negro, all Negro except one 

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Q . How did that situation develop, sir?

A. I do not know.

Q. How did the students get assigned to class?

A. I do not know.

Q. Is it true that in a deposition given earlier on February 

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ular grade assignments?

A. And their parents?

Q. Y es.

A. If it is it is not to my knowledge.

Q. Did you state that it was the choice of the pupils?

A. Basically I believe you asked me and I said that that

was about right.

Q. What grade does she teach?

A. Of whom are you speaking?

Q. Mrs. Dickson.

A. First grade.

Q. With regard to Anneice Cannon, what is the race of the 

pupils who she teaches, and what grade does she teach?

A. She teaches a combination of the fourth and fifth grades.

The race is Negro.

Q. How did this result develop?

A. You mean the result that they are Negro?

Q. That all of her pupils are Negro?

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A. Actually, I don't know.

Q. Did those pupils have a choice in the selection of their 

teachers?

A. Yes, I would say they did. I think we asked those

students in the fifth and fourth grades if they'd like 

to go to Mrs. Cannon's room please go and a group of 

them left, and I think we got too many, as best I 

remember, and three students were asked to return to 

the fourth-grade class.

Q. Did you consult their parents before giving them a 

choice?

A. I did not.

Q. Now, Mrs. Spears is also a Negro teacher, what is the 

number of white students in her class?

A. She doesn't have any white students.

Q. So that all of her pupils are Negro?

A. Yes.

Q. What grade does she teach?

A. Third grade.

Q. Were those pupils given a more or less freedom of choice-

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a combination first and second grade. She would like 

to have a solid third. We asked the students to go 

to Mrs. Spears room; she was not there in the room at 

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Q. Do you know if the racial composition of Mrs. Spears'

class last year was any different than it is this year?

A. No, sir, I do not know.

Q. Do you know whether you have ever had a Negro teacher 

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integrated class at the Wheatley School?

THE COURT: Mr. Walker, which case are

you trying now? I said that we would take up 22, and...

MR. WALKER: This is a Wheatley dismissal

case, Your Honor, and the reason I am going into this is 

to show that a pervasive pattern of racial assignments 

continues to exist at the Wheatley School.

THE COURT: That is involved in the second

suit.

MR. WALKER: I think that it is involved

in the second suit to this extent. What we are attempting 

to show is that these defendants were motivated in their 

dismissal of these plaintiffs by race, and that the 

practices persist. This defendant did not have any­

thing to do with the past practices complained about 

which I have fully established. I think it is useful 

to have in the record a showing that there is now 

segregation within the school system.

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lawsuit as I suggested to you, Mr. Walker. We are 

talking now about the first one, and it was your request 

that we consider them separately.

MR. WALKER: Your Honor, perhaps I'm

not stating my position.

M R . BUTLER: Your Honor, I was waiting

to see how far Mr. Walker was going with this before 

I interposed an objection. This suit we're trying now 

has to do with the dismissal or the failure to rehire 

four teachers, and it has nothing to do with the issues 

about which he is interrogating the witness. We object 

to that line of questioning in this particular case.

It is not applicable; and in this case we came prepared 

to determine whether the failure to rehire these four 

teachers who are plaintiffs was against the law of the 

land.

THE COURT: That is the reason the Court

interjected the statement. I think we had better go 

ahead and try one case at a time.

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except to the Court's ruling. Our position, which I 

think has a legal validity, is that if a school district 

continues to practice desegregation this - at least 

inferentially - suggests that in the past the practices 

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have also been racially discriminatory. I will, of 

course, take the Court's ruling, but I would just like to 

have noted my exceptions.

THE COURT: The record so states.

MR, BUTLER: Your Honor, I would just like

to make one other statement. As I understand it, the 

contention is that the teachers were not rehired because 

of race. That is the sole issue.

THE COURT: The pleadings make it very

clear, and I don't think there is any misunderstanding 

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MR. WALKER: I take it that Your Honor

is limiting me to direct proof - at least limiting 

the parties to direct proof, that the parties have 

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teachers .

THE COURT: I understand, Mr. Walker,

that Mrs. Dickson and Mrs. Cannon and Mrs. Spears are 

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MR. WALKER: Yes, Your Honor.

THE COURT: And they are not plaintiffs

in this matter?

MR, WALKER: Right.

THE COURT: And you are asking this

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witness now about the present assignment of the students 

and the makeup of the classes. Your readings go to the 

question that these certain plaintiffs who are named 

in your complaint were let out, or at least were not 

employed, and your complaint contends that the school 

district failed to employ them on the basis of race.

MR. WALKER: Your Honor, I think I can

link this up. I want to show, and I think the proof 

will show, that as the pupils in the Negro school were 

desegregated into the white school that they were - in 

the elementary grades anyway - taken from the Negro 

school to the white school, and perhaps a Negro teacher 

would also be taken from the Negro school to the white 

school in the early years of desegregation - and that 

those teachers would continue in the white school to 

teach only Negro pupils - and that the district has not 

been in the past prepared to utilize Negro teachers 

teaching in the white schools, teaching white pupils.

This is the proof that we want to show. This 

witness can only talk about the present practice which 

we say is just a continuation of the past practice.

MR. BUTLER: Your Honor, that is still

going beyond the issues in the pleadings in this particu­

lar case - which the issue is, whether these four teacherls 

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grounds of race, on grounds of qualifications, or some 

other grounds.

THE COURT: Mr. Walker is permitted to

show by testimony the facts which motivated the school 

district in refusing or declining to re-employ these 

school teachers; but if it is going to go into the 

issues that you are alleging in your other lawsuit, 

then we will defer that until we get to it.

Proceed.

MR. WALKER: All right, Your Honor; I

really have no more questions of this witness since I'm 

limited by the Court.

MR. BUTLER: Your Honor, I will use Mr.

Kennedy as witness in chief for the defendants.

THE COURT: You do not care to cross

examine him?

MR. BUTLER: I do not care to cross

examine him.

THE COURT: Mr. Kennedy, please stand asicl

MR. WALKER: I would like to next call

the board president, Mr. Ira Wheeler.

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Ira 0. Wheeler, a witness called on behalf of the plain­

tiffs, after first being duly sworn, testified as follows:

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‘ Wheeler, I want to somewhat shorten your testimony 

as I have taken your deposition. I would ask you if 

your name is Ira Wheeler and you are a farmer who lives 

at Wheatley, and you are the board president of the 

Wheatley School District?

A. Correct.

Q. You have been a member of the board since 1967, and

before then you were not officially related to the school 

board in any way?

A. Correct.

Q. You have never been to college?

A. Correct.

Q. You do have children in school?

A. Correct.

Q. All the members of the Board of Education of the

Wheatley School District are white, and all the adminis­

trators of the school district, to your knowledge, are 

also white?

A. Correct.

Q. And that a majority of pupils within the school district 

are black?

A. Correct.

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mean the board of education - that you operate one 

school for all pupils In grades one through twelve? 

Correct.

And that 1968—69 Is the first year that the school 

district has operated in such a fashion?

That is right.

And that prior to 1968—69 you operated a school known 

as the Wheatley Central School which was attended only 

by Negro pupils and staffed by only black or Negro 

faculty members?

It is.

I guess I've led you as far as I should. Do you know 

the total number of pupils within the school district, 

and what the racial breakdown is?

Not exactly.

What is your best estimate, sir?

Approximately 425 students. I believe this would be 

60 percent Negro and 40 percent white.

Have you at any time, to your knowledge, employed on the 

high school level any Negro teachers to teach pupils of 

both races?

No.

Have you ever hired at any time on the high school level 

Negro teachers to teach in the high school department? 

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Q. Isn't It true that you did hire a Negro man during the 

'67-68 school year to teach physical education at the 

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Your answer is no?

That's right.

What is the reason that you do not have any Negro teacher 

at the high school level?

To the best of my knowledge we haven't had an application 

that we felt was qualified to fill a position.

Have you recruited teachers?

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Q. Do you feel that it is necessary or useful and helpful 

to black youngsters to have Negro teachers or black 

teachers at the high school level?

A. I wouldn't be in a position to say that it would help.

Q. Do you know whether parents who happen to be black having 

students in the system have ever asked that you have 

Negro teachers at the high school level?

A. Not to my knowledge.

Q. You have had eight vacancies to be filled since the

end of the 1967—68 school year. Did you recruit any of 

those persons?

A. No.

Q. Did you consider any of the applications of any of the

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dismissed Negro teachers for any of those positions?

A. To my knowledge there wasn't no applications from them.

Q. Did you consider them for filling any of these vacancies

did you consider any one of them for the position of

superintendent of schools?

A . Yes .

Q. Isn’t it true, though, that you stated in an earlier 

deposition that you did not? (Observing)

A. I don’t remember stating that.

Q. You did consider Mr. Jackson for superintendent of 

schools?

A. Yes.

Q. Did you reflect this in the board minutes?

A. I don’t know if the minutes will reflect it or not.

Q. When did you do this?

A. At the time the vacancy was known to us.

Q. Would you tell me in detail how you went about consider­

ing Mr. Jackson for the position of superintendent of 

schools?

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a vacancy became available. It was brought up and it 

was not the opinion of the school board members that he 

would be qualified for the position.

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A. The complaints that we had of his actions in the Wheatley 

Central School.

Q. Complaints that you had had about him as principal of 

the Wheatley Central School?

A. Correct.

Q. What other factors did you take into consideration in

determining that he was not qualified to be the superin­

tendent of the school system?

A. None other.

Q. No other factors other than the complaints?

A. Right.

Q. So except for the complaints he would have been qualified 

to be superintendent?

A. To my knowledge.

Q. And those are the only factors you took into account.

Did you investigate any of those complaints yourself 

personally?

A. No, I did not.

Q. Did you receive any written complaints?

A. Not to my knowledge.

Q. To your knowledge while you were on the board, did you 

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about him?

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A. I know of some names who complained.

Q. Isn’t it true that you stated earlier when your deposi­

tion was taken that you did not have any names?

A. Well, I've learned these names since that time.

Q. I see. But at the time, you decided not to hire him as 

superintendent of schools you did not have those names, 

did you?

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Q. And you did not take the step of checking those complaints 

out, did you?

A. No.
Q. Isn't it true that really there was no vacancy for the 

position of superintendent in March or thereabouts, and 

that that position was then filled by a man named Mr. 

Richardson?

A. I don't remember the date Mr. Richardson resigned, and 

Mr. Kennedy applied for the position.

Q. Pardon?

A. I don't remember the date.

Q. But isn't it true that Mr. Richardson’s resignation and 

Mr. Kennedy's hiring were almost simultaneous?

A. Well, they were close.

Q. In fact, the same night?

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Q. Did you ever consider Mr. Jackson for a position of 

principal?

A. (Pause)

Q. You did have a vacancy for principal, didn't you?

A. Yes.

Q. Did you consider him for the position of principal?

A. Yes.

Q. Principal of which school?

A. Wheatley High School.

Q. What was the reason that you decided not to consider him? 

A. Because of his reputation in the teaching profession.

Q. Did you ever go over to the Wheatley Central School in 

your official capacity as a board member during his 

tenure there?

A. Yes, but not visiting in the class.

Q. Did you go to any classes or did you talk to Mr. Jackson 

at the school?

A . No,

Q. Do you know of any board member who did?

A. I'm not positive.

Q. Would you have wanted your child to have attended the 

Wheatley Central School?

A . No.

Q. What was the accreditation of that school?

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Q. Why would you have not wanted your child to attend that 

school?

A. Because it was an all-colored school.

Q. Are you aware of the fact that Mr. Jackson was primarily 

a teacher rather than a principal at Wheatley Central 

School?

A. It was my understanding that he was principal and teacher,

Q. Was it also your understanding that he had a full

teaching load along with it?

A. Well, I wasn't aware that he had a full teaching load.

Q. Do you know what grade he taught?

A. No, I do not.

Q. Did you investigate to determine what grade he taught?

A. No.

Q. Did you compare his teaching credentials with those of

the first grade teacher In the Wheatley Elementary School? 

A. I didn't.

Q. Did the board?

A. I'm sure they did.

Q. Were you present when they did?

A. I don't remember.

Q. Would you have been present if they did?

A. Not necessarily, no.

Q. V/as this done in March of 1968?

A. Not to my recollection.

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A. I know that he was considered.

Q. My question was, did the board compare his qualifications 

with the qualifications of the white teacher teaching in 

the Wheatley Elementary School at the first grade level?

A. If you're taking his reputation...

Q. No, no, his qualifications, paper qualifications and 

anything else. Did you consider those two persons?

A. No.

Q. Did you consider his qualifications with, say, the second 

or third grade teacher at the Wheatley schools?

A. No.

Q. Did you consider his qualifications with, say, the

fourth or fifth grade teacher at the Wheatley school?

A. No.

Q. Isn't it true that you hired several people to fill

vacancies at the white school at the elementary level 

of the '68-69 school year?

A. Yes, I don't remember the number.

Q. Did you compare their qualifications with those of Mr. 

Jackson?

A. Yes.

Q. First of all, who were they?

A. What were their names?

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did the board take into account in deciding to hire 

these eight teachers, or seven teachers and Mr. Kennedy?

A. Their qualifications and recommendations.

Q. What were the minimum qualifications that these teachers 

were required to have?

A. A bachelor’s degree.

Q. What else?

A. A general reputation and recommendations along with that.

Q. Is it true that the board really did not receive recom­

mendations from any source by letter of any one of these 

seven people, other than the superintendent?

A. I don't know of any.

Q. You don't know of any you received. So that any recom­

mendations that you received were verbal, is that correct

A. Right.

Q. Did you receive those recommendations yourself?

A. Yes.

Q. From whom did you receive the recommendation that

Esteila Chipman be hired? Was she working there this 

year for the first time?

A . No.

Q. Lloyd Lackey?

A . No.

Q. John Stroud?

A. This is his first year.

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Prom whom did you receive the recommendation that he be 

hired?

Prom Mr. Kennedy.

Isn't it true, then, that you received the recommendation 

that these people be hired from only Mr, Kennedy?

Yes, to the best of my knowledge.

So on the basis of Mr. Kennedy's recommendation, you made 

your decision; and this is the only reason or the only 

real con-sideration you took into account, isn't that 

true?

Yes.

Did you compare the qualifications of the other Negro 

teachers with those teachers, that is the other Negro 

teachers, who were at the Wheatley Central School, with 

the qualifications of the other teachers in the system 

at the time that you terminated these four teachers?

You're talking about degree?

Yes.

No.

Did you take into account their teaching experience at 

the time you terminated them?

Yes .

Do you know how much teaching experience Mr. Jackson had 

within the Wheatley School District?

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Approximately, to the best of your knowledge?

Approximately eight years.

What about Mrs. Meeks?

Approximately the same.

Did you ever notify them, prior to the day that you told 

them that they would be dismissed and not rehired, that 

there had been complaints about their work, or about their 

credit, and for these reasons they would be terminated?

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Do you know whether anyone in the system did, to your 

own knowledge?

The superintendent at that time told me that he had 

talked to them.

To whom?

To the teachers.

Now, I am saying of your own knowledge do you know whethe 

or not any written notice was given to these teachers 

informing them of the deficiencies that you have mentione 

To my knowledge it wasn't.

Did the board ever issue any directive to the administrator 

or take action itself to notify these teachers of the 

complaints about their work, or about their personal credit 

or other deficient habits?

I don't remember, I don't believe so.

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employment within the Wheatley School District after 

he was fired?

Yes.

Why did you intend to consider him for reemployment after 

he was terminated?

They met with the school board in a special meeting and 

asked that they be considered for any future vacancies, 

and we told them that they would.

Do you know whether any of these teachers, therefore, 

have been objectively considered in comparison with 

John Stroud, and if so, when and how?

I don't understand the question.

Do you know whether any of these teachers have had 

their qualifications/ objectively compared with those of 

John Stroud, and if they have had such an objective com­

parison, would you state when and what factors were taker 

into consideration?

I don't recall any.

I hand you a list of teachers for the 1968-69 school 

year, all of the names which have been read into the 

record, and ask you whether the same answer would 

be applicable to the other new teachers who came into the 

system for the first time in the 1968-69 school year?

They were all hired after consideration and recommenda­

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You're saying that the superintendent is the one who 

made whatever objective findings were made, and the 

board took their actions solely and completely on the 

recommendations of the superintendent?

That's correct.

So that the board itself made no objective determination 

of the comparative qualifications of the dismissed 

teachers, Negro, with those of the teachers who were 

hired for the first time thereafter - I mean after they 

were terminated?

No.

Your answer is, "No" the board did not?

Correct.

Did you inquire in detail of the superintendent about 

each teacher who was hired, about his qualifications?

Yes .

How long did the meeting take at which time you considered 

the new applicants?

To my best memory they were all considered in regular 

board meetings which normally last from two to four hours 

Do you recall the date that these persons were hired?

No, I do not.

Is it your testimony that Mr. Sidney Kennedy recommended 

the employment of all seven of these people?

To the best of my memory.

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recommended only two - that is to say that only two 

were employed after he became superintendent on July 1?

Do you recall that?

A. Yes.

Q. Is it your testimony that before he became superintendent 

that the board was taking his recommendations and acting 

upon them?

A. Well, I don't know if it were prior to... uh, we didn't 

take any recommendations from him until after he was 

hired.

Q. So that that means as of July 1 when five people had beer 

hired, between May and June, that he did not make those 

recommendations for those persons, is that true?

A. Not prior to the time he was employed.

Q. What factors were taken into consideration in the employ­

ment of those five persons who were hired prior to 

July 1, 1968, and subsequent to the close of the 1967-68 

school year?

A. Going on the recommendation of the then superintendent.

Q. So it's merely recommendations, is that true?

A. Yes.

Q. Do you know what conversation the former superintendent 

may have had with the Negro teachers in the schools, and 

were you a party to any of that conversation?

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Q. Other than that you don't know what the superintendent

told them, do you?

A. No.

Q. Was it customary to have public board meetings in i960 

to your knowledge?

A. Yes, I knew that they were having board meetings.

Q. Was it customary in 1967 when you became president to

have public board meetings?

A. It’s a known fact that anyone...

Q. I know a person can attend a public board meeting, but

was it customary that they would be, in fact, open to

the public in 1967 when you became president?

A. We never had a request that anyone meet with us until 

some parents... but no one ever was refused.

Q. Isn't it true that as a matter of routine the Negro

teachers did not come to the board meetings unless they 

were invited to come by the board?

A. I don't remember of any ever attending.

Q. Mr. Richardson was the former superintendent, is that rig

A. Correct.

Q. And he is no longer superintendent; do you know where he 

is now?

A. No, I don't.

Q. Did you and the board ever discuss with him whose respon-

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A. Yes.

Q, . Whose responsibility did you tell him it was to run the 

school system?

A. His responsibility to administer.

Q. So that he had the responsibility for having day-to-day 

contact with the teachers in the school, is that true?

A . Yes.

Q. Do you know when the Negro teachers, including the

plaintiffs, were paid the same salaries as white teachers

A. I don't remember.

Q. Do you know whether or not any complaint was ever made 

about salary discrimination?

A. No, I do not.

Q. You do know what the salary schedule was in 1967-68, 

don't you?

A. I can't remember the exact figure.

Q. I've been provided a statement by Mr. Butler which sets 

out that the teacher salary in 1967-68 for persons with 

a BS degree was $5,000.00 plus $100.00 per year for 

five years experience. Is this your recollection of 

what your policy is?

A. To the best of my knowledge that is true.

Q. And a person with a master's degree, the salary would 

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A. That’s right.

Q. And that for 68-69 a person with a BS degree would

receive a salary of $5,500.00, plus $100.00 per year 

for five years experience?

A. I believe that is right.

Q. And the master's degree would be the same thing except 

that it would be $300.00 more?

A. Correct.

Q. Do you interpret that to mean $100.00 per year for each 

of five years up to five years experience?

A. Yes, I believe so.

Q. That means then that a teacher who had been teaching in 

the school system up through the 1967-68 school year 

for more than five years should have received a salary 

of $5,500.00, doesn't it?

A. I believe that's right.

Q. At least $5,500.00, is that right?

A. For the '67-68 year?

Q. Yes.

A. Correct.

Q. Do you know what in fact the Negro teachers were paid?

A. No, I couldn't say positively how much.

Q. The 1967-68 school year, were you aware of the fact that

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Q. Do you know her race?

A. Yes.

Q. Do you know the race of the students she taught during 

the 1967-68 school year?

A. Yes.

Q. What was that race?

A. Colored.

Q. She taught only black students?

A. To the best of my knowledge,

Q. How do you explain that for the 1967-68 school year?

A. I don’t know exactly, there was no definite assignment 

of students to each class. It was a grouping of the 

students according to their ability to learn, and the 

class that they wanted to be in.

Q. What grade did she teach, do you know?

A. I don't remember.

Q. Was this the first year that these Negro pupils had been 

in a formerly white school?

A. I'm not sure but I think they were there one year prior,

Q. Do you know who their teacher was the year before by race?

A . I'm not sure.

Q. To the best of your knowledge, though, isn't it true 

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the school board, or wasn't.

Q. In preparation of this lawsuit, and in view of the

questions asked at the deposition, did you investigate 

this matter?

A. No.

Q. You did not check your records?

A. No.

Q. What standardized tests were given to determine groupings 

of first-grade students for the 1967-68 school year?

A. I don't know.

Q. Isn't it true that most of the other first graders 

were white for the '67-68 school year?

A. Most of which other?

Q. Isn't it true that you had for the '67-68 school year 

two first grade classes?

A. I believe that is right.

Q. And that in one all of the pupils were black, and in the 

other almost all of the pupils were white?

A. Approximately, I'm not sure.

Q. Do you know what tests were given by the school district 

to produce this result?

A. No, I do not.

Q. Do you know if, in fact, any tests at all were given?

A. I couldn't say.

Q. Do you know whether the parents of the pupils were con-

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trator with regard to pupil assignment in the first 

grade, or the third and fourth grade?

Not to my knowledge.

So the superintendent was responsible more or less for 

placement of pupils in classes, is that true?

MR. BUTLER: Your Honor, this line of

questioning is not germane to the issues as to whether 

these teachers were not rehlred because of their race.

MR. WALKER: Your Honor, it is our posi­

tion, which I now reiterate, that for '67-68 a pervasive 

pattern of racial discrimination existed within the 

school district; and that is the same case, more or 

less, that you had in Brown v. Board of Education.

In Brown v. Board of Education,against the Board of 

Topeka, you had, in effect, Negro and white pupils 

on the same campus, as I recall; but the Negro pupils 

were all taught by Negro teachers and the white pupils 

were taught by white teachers. They were isolated in 

some other way but they were in the same complex.

Now, this pattern has been held to be 

violative of the Constitution. We suggest that in a 

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integration does not in fact result from the transfer 

of Negro pupils from a black school to a white school, 

that this is suggestive of a racial determination on 

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MR. BUTLER: Your Honor, Mr. Walker is

making a segregation suit out of this particular case.

It has to do with whether or not these teachers were 

wrongfully discharged, or because of race they were not 

rehired.

THE COURT: I would suggest that you get

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MR. WALKER: Your Honor, I must again re­

emphasize that it is our view that this is crucial to 

our case. I would like to state another reason so that 

the Court would fully understand our position. If we 

show that the school district had a design to utilize 

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that they would not utilize teachers from a former black 

school in an integrated school, because it would mean 

that those teachers would have to teach integrated classes

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Negro teacher has really taught an integrated class, 

and we will later present proof to show that that one 

little white youngster is there because he is the same 

kind of outcast as the black youngsters in that school 

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MR. BUTLER: Your Honor, it seems to me

that what Mr. Walker is pursuing in his questioning of 

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THE COURT: I assume that what Mr. Walker

is trying to get to is that the assignment to the class 

is such that they practice the segregation within the 

school, and as such they do not employ the Negro teachers. 

If that was the purpose and he can show that, of course 

that can be permitted.

MR. WALKER: Thank you, Your Honor.

Q. (MR. WALKER, continuing) Now with regard to Mrs. Spears, 

isn't it true that Mrs. Spears had taught the year before 

that is the '66-67 school year - at the Wheatley Central 

School, Negro school, and that she was transferred from 

Wheatley Central pursuant to directives from HEW for the 

'67-68 school year, and she took with her a class of 

Negro pupils from Wheatley Central to Wheatley Elementary 

School, and continued to teach only those pupils?

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you are on the witness stand to do the testifying. I 

think you should ask the questions and not do the testi­

fying. In the first place, the Court has been listening 

to all this for some time. You are alleging that certair 

people were not reemployed because of racial discriminati 

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velop your case, if you can, and then we will get to the 

other matter which involves certain violations of 

constitutional rights which you have alleged.

I suggested at the outset that we try 

both of these cases at one time. You are the one that 

suggested that we go into the contractual problem first. 

The Court would like to suggest that you move on with 

this case, and then we will get to the other one.

MR. WALKER: All right, Your Honor; I

would suggest that the form of my question did cause it 

to be a question rather than testimony. I prefaced it 

by saying, "Isn't it true-" - and I think I would like 

at this time to move to the Court that I be permitted to 

examine this witness as a hostile witness under Rule 43.

THE COURT: The Court does not see that

that is necessary as this witness has had no problem 

at all in responding to your questions. He has not 

shown any hostility whatsoever in replying to your 

questions. If it reached that state then the Court would

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consider it accordingly. You made the statement at the 

outset in the pretrial, and Mr. Butler agreed, that this 

school district had operated a dual school system until 

the year 1968-69; that prior thereto it was a dual­

system operated school with an all colored school and 

an all white school; that due to a reconstruction program 

and a building program, that one school was used for all 

students which was indicated at the outset of this hear­

ing from grades 1 through 12.

Gentlemen, if we have been going under a 

wrong assumption up to this point, I think it should be 

made clear for the record.

MR. BUTLER: Your Honor, I believe it is

correct that prior to '68-69, the current school year, 

that they did have desegregation in the junior high and 

high school, the Wheatley, and they completed it in '68- 

69 when they closed the Wheatley Central School and 

moved all of the elementary over to the one school.

THE COURT: The Court further understood

that the issue was that in the transfer or the transition 

from the dual system to a unitary so-called system of 

one school, that there were certain teachers who were 

not retained; and that your lawsuit was against the 

school requiring them to employ those teachers, of course 

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are gone by now.

You do have an alternate request for 

certain damages that you propose to show. That being 

true, I do not understand what you attempt to do, Mr. 

Walker, by showing a teacher presently employed and 

formerly teaching in the elementary grade in an all­

black class; it was an all-colored school at that time.

MR, WALKER: Your Honor, really I don't

think I've made my point to you, and I must apologize 

for that. I want to state to you for the record that 

at that school right now is the same situation that 

prevailed two years ago when the all-Negro school existed. 

That is to say, that at the white school, you have three 

classes taught by three Negro teachers, and the pupils 

in those three classes, all of them are Negro, except one,

THE COURT: But there is the matter which

you alleged in your other lawsuit about operating the 

school system.

MR. WALKER: But Your Honor, I am saying

for '67-68, the year that these teachers taught in that 

school system, that same situation prevailed.

THE COURT: But it was an all-Negro school

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'67-68 that these teachers taught at the Wheatley Elemen­

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pupils attended classes with all—Negro teachers In these 

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THE COURT: Move on with this, we're takin:

so much time.

MR. WALKER: Let me get this straight

for the record, Your Honor.

Q. (MR. WALKER, continuing) For 1967-68, the year these

teachers taught at the all-Negro school, is it true that 

the Negro teachers who were employed to work at the 

white school taught only Negro pupils in the white school?

A. I don't know if it was "only" but it was the majority.

Q. But to the best of your knowledge, isn't it true that

there were only black students being taught by the black 

teachers - to the best of your knowledge, now?

A. As I say, I couldn't say for sure that there was no

whites in there. I'm sure it was mostly Negro students.

THE COURT: Those teachers are still

teaching in the schools, are they not?

MR. WALKER: Two of them are not, Your

Honor; I think it's two.

THE COURT: It was shown earlier in your

list that they were.

MR. WALKER: No, Your Honor. I want to

clear up any misconception about that. Under the column 

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are teaching for the 1968-69 school year. These teachers 

also taught during the '67-68 school year, but there was 

at least one other Negro teacher who was teaching in the 

Wheatley white school who was not rehired for some reason, 

according to my information.

Q. (MR. WALKER, continuing) Now, is it true, sir, that the 

Board of Directors of the school district when they met 

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their pupils transferred to the Wheatley School?

A. No, I don't remember exactly, but I don't think the

freedom-of-choice plan had ever been turned back in at 

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that meeting when you met with the Negro teachers who 

were seeking redress at that time?
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as to the complaints that had been made over a period of

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Q. Is that true for all of those teachers?

A. I don't remember if that was the case with Coleman at

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ent was that he doubted that he could be recertified to 

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Q. The recommendation was that he doubted that he could be 

recertified?

A . Correct.

Q . Did you ask Mr. Coleman whether or not he could be re­

certified?

A. I believe he was asked that night at the meeting.

Q. Do you know what his answer was?

A. I don't remember.

Q. So you're saying that if it had not been for the superin­

tendent's apprehension, that Mr. Coleman could not be 

recertified, that Mr. Coleman could have been retained?

A. As far as I know.

Q. I hand you a copy of a letter and ask if this is a letter 

sent out to you to Mr. Coleman? Do you recognize this 

letter?

A. Yes.

Q. And is this a letter dated May 28, 1968?

A. Correct.

Q. Would you read paragraph one, please?

A. "It is our duty, pursuant of the lav/, to inform you that 

you will not be reemployed by the Wheatley School. This 

action is necessary since you are not now qualified, and 

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by September."

MR, WALKER: I'd like to have this introduced

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THE COURT: Any objection?

MR. BUTLER: No objection.

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Q. (MR. WALKER, continuing) Did you consider giving him

an opportunity to explain this superintendent's response 

prior to writing him that letter?

A. I think he explained it the night he met with us.

Q. Was this before you wrote him the letter?

A. I'm not for sure.

Q. Do you think it would be a fair procedure for a man to 

be given an opportunity to hear the complaints against 

him before the school board takes any action on whether 

or not to reinstate him, whether or not to continue his 

employment?

A . Yes .

Q. Is it possible that this statement by the superintendent 

could have been not completely true?

A. We asked him to check it out.

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fied, and that he was in fact certified?

A. I don't remember exactly what...

Q. What was the reason that you terminated Mrs. Meeks?

A. Her reputation in the teaching field, and the complaints 

about how she handled her indebtedness.

Q. What was her reputation in the teaching field, and from 

whom was this reputation obtained - where was your 

knowledge of this reputation obtained?

A. I cannot name any specific person complaining.

Q. What about her indebtedness?

A. There have been letters at different times come through 

the school asking the school's help in collecting debts 

from her.

Q. I have asked that copies of those letters to the school 

district be brought to the court for use here today.

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MR. BUTLER: Most of them were not kept
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MR. WALKER: Do you have any of them?

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was regarding a debt prior to the time we had letters 

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was a letter to the superintendent of schools about a 

bill in the amount of $27.00 to the Forrest View Clinic, 

is that right to the best of your knowledge?

A . Yes.

Q. You have not seen this before, have you?

A. Yes.

Q. Did you check this bill out with Mrs. Meeks at any time?

A. No, I did not.

Q. And this is the only matter attesting to your testimony 

that you received letters about her bad credit?

A. I have seen other letters.

Q. You have seen them but you do not have them in your 

custody?

A. No, I don't.

Q. Did you tell Mrs. Meeks before you terminated her that 

her credit was a serious problem interfering with her 

capacity to function as a teacher?

A . I did not.

Q. Do you know of your own knowledge whether the superintend­

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A. He was instructed to.

Q. Do you know whether he actually told her?

A. No, I don't.

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Q. (MR. WALKER, continuing) Did you, before you fired Mrs. 

Meeks, give her an opportunity to explain this?

A. Not directly to me.

Q. Did you know that she had had a fire shortly before the 

beginning of the '67-68 school year, and that she lost 

all of her possessions in that fire?

A. I did not.

Q. Would that have been a factor in the decision of whether 

to hire her or continue her employment, or fire her?

A. Possibly so.

Q. But you did not investigate to determine whether this 

was a possibility, did you?

A. I didn’t know that there had been a fire.

Q. Now, are you saying then, that if she had not had the

cross up with her credit card that she would have been 

retained?

A. I couldn't say definitely that she would have.

Q. But according to your best knowledge?

A. She would have been considered for it.

Q. For retention?

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A. That’s right.

Q. What about Mrs. Jackson. What was the reason...

Let me get back to Mrs. Meeks. I show you this letter

and ask you if this is a copy of the letter that you 

wrote to Mrs. Meeks on or about May 28?

A. To the best of my knowledge it is.

Q. And in that letter you stated, "We are releasing you

because we are generally dissatisfied with your work, 

and especially because we are greatly concerned about 

the manner in which you handled your indebtedness"?

A. Right.

Q. Did you ever attend any of her classes one time?

A. No, I didn’t.

Q. Do you know whether or not the superintendent went to 

her classes one time?

A. I couldn't say positively.

MR. WALKER: I would like to have this

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MR. BUTLER: No objection.

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A. Complaints of how she handled her indebtedness, and the 

type of education she was teaching.

Q . Did you ever advise her of this?

A. I didn't.

Q. Did the superintendent ever advise her of this?

A. He was instructed to.

Q. Do you have any copies of any letters of complaints about 

her indebtedness being poorly handled?

A. Not to my knowledge.

Q. Did you ever give her an opportunity to explain any 

problems she had with creditors?

A. To the superintendent.

Q. But you don't know what the superintendent said to her, 

do you?

A. No, I do not.

Q. Or if he, in fact, said anything?

A. I don't.

Q. What are the other reasons that you decided not to rehire 

her, if any?

A. Reports of Absenteeism.

Q. From whom did you receive these reports?

A. From the superintendent.

Q. Did you check them out?

A. I didn't.

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Q. Did you ever find out why she was absent?

A. No.

Q. Is it a normal expectation that in the course of one's 

life he or a relative would get sick for a long period 

of time?

A. It happens.

Q. You think this is a sufficient reason to discharge a 

teacher from a job?

A. Not if this is the only reason, due to sickness.

Q. Did you find out, or did you inquire, whether or not -

before you fired her - she had any justification for any 

actions that she may have had?

A. I didn't.

Q. Do you know whether the students suffered as a result of 

her absences?

A. There were verbal reports that the children were not 

getting...

Q . From whom did you receive these verbal reports?

A. I didn't receive them except through other school board 

members.

Q . What other school board members did you receive these 

reports through?

A. Mr. MIchaelis said he received complaints.

Q. Did he tell you from whom he received these complaints?

A. I don't remember.

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Q. I show you, then, this letter which is Plaintiffs*

Exhibit No. 4, and ask you if this is the letter that 

you sent to Mrs. Jackson or or about May 28, 1968?

A. Yes, to the best of my knowledge.

Q. Did you ever go to her classroom or attend it?

A. I did not.

Q. Do you know whether the superintendent did?

A. No, sir, I ’m not positive.

MR. WALKER: I would like to introduce

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MR. BUTLER: No objection.

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reason for the termination of Mr. Jackson was?

A. Dissatisfaction with his teaching and principalship.

Q. Did you state that to him at any time?

A. The superintendent was instructed to.

Q. Do you know whether the superintendent, in fact, stated 

that to him?

A. It is reflected in the minutes that he met with the 

school board.

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A. I don't remember the exact date.

Q. Do you recall him ever meeting with you and the other 

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president of the board before he received notice that 

he would not be rehired?

A. I don't remember exactly.

q . So isn't it true that really he never did appear before 

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fired?

A . That's true.

Q. When you released him, according to a letter written 

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true that you said to him, "We are releasing you because 

we do not have a position such as you have held in our 

reorganized school that your qualifications would fill"?

A. That's true.

Q . What do you mean, "a position such as you have held"?

A. Principalship in an elementary school.

Q. Do you, have a principal at the elementary school?

A. No, we don't.

Q . Are you aware of the fact that he was also a teacher?

A. Correct.

q . You did have some teaching vacancies available, didn't 

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To my memory there had been two teachers hired in the 

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And a total of seven teachers hired In the whole school 

system?

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But you did not have a position for him to fill. What 

were his qualifications that you referred to in your 

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His reputation as teaching.

Other than reputation do you know of anything else?

I don't recall.

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who had been kept by this system all these years; then 

when this school is closed he is closed out too?

The school wasn't closed.

The Wheatley Central School wasn't closed?

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What happened to it?

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out , Isn't that true?

A. He was notified after the last day of school by letter.

Q. My question, doesn't it strike you as strange that he

was satisfactory apparently through all these years, 

and then suddenly with the closing of the school you 

decide that he is dispensable?

A. Not necessarily.

Q. Isn't it true that you made the decision to close the 

Wheatley Central School prior to the time that you 

actually gave him notice of termination?

A. By letter, yes.

Q . I would like...

A. To the best of my memory; I can't remember all those 

dates exactly.

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MR. BUTLER: No objection.

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A. They are kept within the school safe.

Q. But you had access to those records?

A. Yes.

Q. I show you what has been supplied to me by Mr. Butler, 

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cation, 3/25/64, and ask you whether or not this appears 

to be taken from the Wheatley board meetings?

A. Yes.

WALKER: I would like to have this

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MR. BUTLER: No objection.

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Q. (MR. WALKER, continuing) I will read to you and ask 

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March 25, 1964, in a call meeting by Mr. Monroe. The 

problem on hand was complaints against L. R. Jackson. 

After much discussion the board decided to give Mr. 

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A motion was made and seconded, and voted on by all 

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matter to the satisfaction of the board and the matter 

was dropped." Is that true?

A. Yes.

Q. All right. I hand you a copy of the minutes of a board

meeting of April 11, I960 , and call to your attention undj< 

Item 4,- a call meeting at 8:00 p.m. on Sunday. "The 

Wheatley school board met in the high school building 

and discussed the colored situation. Several colored 

citizens met with the board and voiced their complaint,

L. R. Jackson, as principal of the colored school. Due 

consideration was given to their complaints but no action 

was taken. It was suggested that Mr. Steel study the 

situation and do what he thought best for the school."

Is that, to your knowledge, official minutes of 

the board?

A. Yes.

MR. WALKER: I would like to have that

marked for identification as Plaintiffs' Exhibit No. 7.

MR. BUTLER: No objection.

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other copies of any minutes which set forth any complaint 

about any of the teachers.

Q. (MR. WALKER, continuing) Do you know of any other

minutes that reflect the fact that complaints were taken 

up by the board of education of the school district?

A. I don't know that there's any more in the record book.

Q. With regard to the date that you decided to close the 

Wheatley Central School, I would like to refresh your 

memory by calling your attention to a special board 

meeting in the superintendent's office at 7:30 p.m. 

on April 2nd. Do you see that?

A. Yes.

MR. WALKER: I would like to have this

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MR. BUTLER: No objection.

THE COURT: Let it be received.

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Q. (MR. WALKER, continuing) I will ask you to identify this 

and your signature?

A. Correct.

Q. Isn't it true that only five people were present?

A. Correct.

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Q. And those were board members?

A. Correct.

Q. And no members of the public were noted as being present?

A. To the best of my knowledge.

Q. And in fact it was held in the superintendent’s rather

small office?

A . Yes.

Q. I ask you whether or not this Plaintiffs' Exhibit No. 8 

carries a statement, "Motion made and seconded to remove 

all the children from the Wheatley Central School to 

the Wheatley Elementary School for next year. It was 

carried unanimously"?

A. Correct.

Q. Isn't it correct that at that time you made no mention 

of what you would do with the teachers in that school?

A. It had already been decided these four teachers would 

be released.

Q. I see. All right. Now, the decision to terminate

the teachers was made approximately March 11, 1968, is 

that true?

A . Yes.

Q. By the board?

A. Correct.

Q. In a special meeting in the superintendent’s office on 

March 11, 1968, Is that true?

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Q. And there were no members of the public present?

A. No one other than the superintendent.

Q. And isn't it true that at this time you decided to rehire 

a number of teachers who were teaching in the, what we 

call, white school?

A. Correct.

Q. And that a motion was made and seconded to release the 

following teachers at the end of this year - James 

Cooper, L. R. Jackson, Melissa Meeks and Mrs. L. R. 

Jackson?

A. Correct.

Q. James Cooper is white, is that correct?

A. Correct.

Q. And he had not been teaching at the black school?

A. No.

Q. I notice here that you did not state the reasons why 

. you were releasing those teachers, is that true?

A. Correct.

Q. I also notice that yoy did not place Mr. Coleman's name 

in these minutes, is that true?

A. Right.

MR. WALKER: I would like to have this

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MR, BUTLER: No objection.

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Q. (MR. WALKER, continuing) Now, was it merely a mistake 

that you omitted Mr, Coleman's name?

A. As I recall, this is the time that Mr. Richardson was 

checking to come back to us with the recommendation 

as to his possibility of being certified.

Q. Do you have minutes which reflect the decision that was 

made to terminate Mr. Coleman?

A. I believe we do have.

Q. I do not have copies of any minutes stating that the 

board made the decision to terminate Mr, Coleman.

Now, you don’t know whether such minutes actually exist 

or not, do you?

A. I could...

MR. WALKER: Do you have them, Mr. Butler?

MR. BUTLER: I don’t have any. It is my 

understanding that they later were advised that he was 

not qualified, or it was doubtful, by Mr. Richardson, 

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knowledge never actually passed in terras of knowledge 

as represented by writing, on a decision to terminate 

Mr. Coleman?

A. (Pause)

Q. The board as a board at a special or regular meeting of 

the board?

A. It was decided but evidently it was not reflected in the 

minutes.

Q. Did you ever receive a complaint from the Arkansas

Teachers Association about the dismissal of these teachers 

A. Yes.

Q. Did you attempt to meet with the Arkansas Teachers 

Association about this matter?

A. No. .

Q. Did you ever respond to their letter of inquiry?

A. I didn't.

MR. WALKER: One moment, Your Honor.

THE COURT: We will be in recess for a

few minutes.

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THE COURT: You may proceed, Mr. Butler.

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Q. Mr. Wheeler, you are the present president of the 

Wheatley School District involved in this lawsuit?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. When were you elected to the Wheatley School District 

board?

A. September of 1967.

Q. Have you served continuously since that time?

A . Yes, sir.

Q. A little more about your background, Mr. Wheeler. Where 

were you born and reared?

A. I was born and reared in Lee County midway between 

Wheatley and Moro.

Q . Where did you go to school?

A . Moro.

Q. What grade did you complete in the Moro High School?

A. Completed the 11th grade, came out of the service after

approximately two years stating with enough certificates 

from school that I attended in service to go with my 

high school record to acquire a high school diploma.

Q. Did you get a high school diploma from the Moro High 

School when you came out of the service?

A . Yes, sir.

Q. What year was that?

A. 19^7.

Q. Where have you been residing since that time.

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A. I have resided in and around Wheatley since that time.

Q. After you came out of the service, what was your pro­

fession or avocation?

A. I followed construction work for approximately four or 

five years, and then started farming.

Q. How long have you been a farmer?

A. Fifteen years.

Q. In what area have you farmed during this period of time?

A. As a tenant, and as a landowner for the past four years.

Q. You are a landowner?

A . Yes.

Q. How much land do you own and farm?

A. I own 700 acres and farm approximately 800.

Q. Do you have a family?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. How many children.

A. Two.

Q. What are the ages of your children?

A. Ten and fifteen years of age.

Q. Mr. Wheeler, when was the Wheatley High School and Junior 

High integrated, completely?

A. It was completely Integrated in '68-69.

Q. I say the junior high and high school, when were they 

completely integrated?

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mean there wasn’t a great number of colored students in 

the department, but in '67-68 it was completely inte­

grated .

Q. When you say completely in '67-68, you have reference 

to the high school and junior high?

A . Yes.

Q. When v,fas the full integration of the school system, 

eliminating the dual system, completed?

A. At the beginning of '68-69.

Q. And this was during your tenure as president and member 

of the school board?

A. Correct.

Q. In '67-68, how many teachers did the Wheatley School 

District have employed in all schools, junior high, 

senior high, and Wheatley Elementary and Wheatley 

Central - Wheatley Central being the all-Negro school?

A. Twenty-’three.

Q. I believe you've already testified that on March 11, 1968, 

the school board in a meeting took action in which they 

determined to rehire some teachers, and to terminate the 

contract of other teachers, is that right?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. When this hiring of school teachers for the 1968-69 school 

year was completed, how many teachers did you have in the 

integrated system?

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Nineteen.

Did you need any more teachers at that time?

No, sir, not to my knowledge.

Why was it necessary, or why did you hire the principal 

for the high school and junior high?

The superintendent told us that it had become a state 

law.

That was done after the integration of the schools had be 

completed, is that right?

Correct.

In 1967-68 I believe you testified on direct examination 

that you did not recall any black teachers being hired 

or working in the junior high and high school and the 

Wheatley Elementary?

That was an error on my part. I apologize; but we did 

have two colored teachers in junior high and high school. 

Who were they?

Mr. and Mrs. Haley.

Did you have any in the Wheatley Elementary for '67-68? 

Any colored teachers?

Yes, in the Wheatley Elementary?

Yes, sir.

Who were they?

Mrs. Dickson and Mrs. Cannon, I believe.

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if there were any minutes of a meeting of the Board of 

Education of the Wheatley School District in which the 

four teachers whose contracts were terminated were 

allowed to appear and state their case.

MR. WALKER: That's a good deal stronger

than it was. My question was, whether or not there were 

board minutes wherein the decision was made by the 

board to terminate Mr. Coleman. There had been a de­

cision to terminate three of the teachers, Mr. and Mrs. 

Jackson and Mrs. Meeks, but Mr. Coleman's name was not 

included in that group.

Q. (MR. BUTLER, continuing) Mr. Wheeler, were you incorrect 

in stating that you did not have a record of minutes of 

a meeting at which all four of the plaintiffs were pre­

sent and their situation acted upon?

A. I believe it was my testimony that I thought we had

minutes where Mr. Coleman was notified, but evidently 

since they couldn't be found that there was no minutes 

stating directly that he was notified; but that he did 

meet at a special school board meeting with the other 

three teachers.

Q. Mr. Wheeler, I hand you a paper which purports to be a 

copy of the minutes of the meeting of the school board 

on April 29, 1968, and ask you if that is a true copy 

of the minutes of that meeting?

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A. Yes, sir.

Q. In that meeting what action was taken?

A. "The meeting was called to order by the president. The 

minutes of the previous meeting were read and approved. 

The board met with four teachers who had been released 

from Wheatley Central School. The board discussed 

county clerk's commission. Motion made and seconded 

to accept Mr. Kennedy’s recommendation on the remaining 

teachers that were to be hired. Motion carried unani­

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MR. BUTLER: I would like to introduce

these minutes of the board, 4/29/68, as Defendants’ 

Exhibit No. 1.

MR. WALKER: No objection.

THE COURT: Let it be received.

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Q. (MR. BUTLER, continuing) Mr. Wheeler, was Mrs. Haley 

rehired in 1967-68 for the school year '68-69?

A. Yes, sir, she was.

Q. And where was she to teach?

A. In the high school.

Q. Mrs. Haley is black, is that right?

A. Right.

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Q. Was her husband rehlred, Mr. Haley?

A. No, sir, he wasn't.

Q. Why wasn't he rehired?

A. To the best of my memory he was asked to leave so that 

he might go back to school and further his education.

Q. Did he ask you all to release him?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. About Mrs. Haley. Is she teaching in the 1968-69 school 

year, the present term?

A. Not in the Wheatley schools.

Q. What happened in regard to her?

A. She asked for leave of absence for the first semester.

Q. When did she ask for this leave - was it after she had 

been rehired?

A. Yes, sir, sometime prior to the beginning of '68-69.

Q. Did this vacancy which resulted... what was the reason 

for this vacancy?

A. Pregnancy.

Q. Did this vacancy which resulted because of pregnancy

necessitate the selection of another teacher to take her 

place?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. Is this one of the teachers who has been hired by Mr. 

Kennedy since the beginning of the new school year?

A. That is correct.

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Q. Did this situation, then, arise suddenly and it became 

necessary to find someone qualified to take her place?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. Since you've been on the school board, Mr. Wheeler, 

have you had a number of complaints which have been 

brought before the board about the handling of indebted­

ness of the business affairs of the plaintiffs in this 

case?

A . Yes.

Q. Has that been in the form of oral statements or in the 

form of letters or memorandums?

A. Form of both.

Q. Who received that in the form of written communication?

A. The superintendent of the schools at that time.

Q. At that time who was the superintendent of schools?

A . Mr. Richardson.

Q. Did Mr. Richardson have charge of those letters and those 

communications?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. Do you know what became of them?

A. No, sir, I do not.

Q. Were there just one or two, or were there a number of 

them?

A. There was more than two, several I would say.

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would purchase, to the school district?

MR. WALKER: The question is too leading,

Your Honor.

MR. BUTLER: I'm cross examining, Your

Honor.

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A. Yes, sir, we did receive complaints.

Q. (MR. BUTLER, continuing) Did she actually charge those 

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Q. Mr. Wheeler, in the school board making its decision to 

terminate the contract of L. R. Jackson, Mrs. Mittie 

Jackson, Mrs. Melissa Meeks and Marvin Coleman, were 

any of those terminations based on race or color?

A. No, sir.

Q. I would like for you to state again what was the basis 

for letting them go and not renewing their contract.

A. The reason for letting them go was due to the quality

of education that they were producing in that particular 

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Did you also have the situation that you were not going 

to need as many teachers in the integrated system?

Yes, we did have.

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How do you explain this, that you fired five and hired 

eight?

We had some that resigned.

But you could have absorbed these five into the integrate 

system, could you not have?

Not without having more teachers than we needed.

But you hired eight additional persons. You did not need 

to hire all eight in order to absorb these five, did you 

you could have absorbed these five and still hired three 

more to meet your needs, isn't that correct?

Which five are you talking about?

The five teachers who were dismissed.

There were more than five dismissed.

Let's say the four Negro teachers who were dismissed?

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Q. Mr. Wheeler, how do you determine the quality of edu­

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A. It can.be done with tests, or reports that you would 

receive from teachers the following year...

Q. Reports you received from teachers the following year. 

What else?

A. The reports from parents themselves of those children.

Q. What else?

A. I can't think of anything else.

Q. Do you have any reason to support your position that

these pupils at the black school tested lower, or at

least scored lower, on standarized achievement tests 

than the youngsters in the white schools?

A. I don't have.

Q. Do you know what tests were used to make a determination 

of this disparity?

A. I have seen the tests.

Q. Do you know what those tests purport to measure?

A . Yes.

Q. What?

A. The children in that particular school are below...

Q. I'm not asking about results, I am asking about what do

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A. What a child knows.

Q. Do you know what grades those tests were administered to?

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A. Different grades.

Q. Were they administered to first graders?

A . I'm not sure.

Q. Do you know by whom the tests were administered?

A. I assume they...

Q. No, do you know by whom they were administered?

A. They were administered by...

Q. Do you know by whom they were administered?

A. By the guidance counsel.

Q. Do you know?

A. I didn't see them taken.

Q. Do you know the conditions and circumstances under which 

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A . No, I don’t .

Q. Do you know whether they were actually given?

A. No, but I've seen the completed tests.

Q. Do you know that they were actually given?

A. I did not see them given.

Q* All right. Now, what was the disparity between youngsters

at the Central School at the end of the first grade year 

and the youngsters at the Wheatley School in terms of 

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A. I don't understand the question.

Q. You are saying that these teachers were dismissed, that 

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teachers In the white schools. Now, I ask you, how much 

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A. Prom one to two grades.

Q. One to two grades at what point?

A. At the fourth and fifth grade level.

Q. What about at the first grade level?

A. I'm not sure about that.

Q. Do you know whether the pupils made the same basic test 

scores at the first grade level?

A. No, I do not.

Q. Do you know whether they made the same basic scores at 

the second grade level?

A . I'm not sure.

Q. Did the board go Into this with the guidance counselor?

A. No.

Q. So how was the comparison determined between the quality 

of education being offered in the Central School and 

the Wheatley School?

A. The superintendent Jiad access to those tests.

Q . At what board meeting did he make a statement saying 

what those comparative results were?

A. At different meetings.

Q. Did he state, and please answer yes or no, that the

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In the white school were?

A. That is the general information.

Q. But the board did not ask him for details, did they?

A. No, not specifically.

Q. You didn’t go into an explanation with the administrator 

over there about these tests and the results as a board?

A. No.

Q. Isn’t it true that historically that school has been

deprived, of the two schools in the system, in terms of 

the amount of money spent on it?

A. Not to my knowledge.

Q. Isn’t it true, as you stated earlier in a deposition,

that you wouldn't want your child to go to that school?

A. That is true.

Q. A comparison between the two buildings has been made by 

you, am I correct?

A. Yes.

Q. Now, which of the two buildings, the Wheatley Central or 

the Wheatley Elementary, is superior?

A. At the present the Wheatley High School, and Elementary.

Q. But what about two years ago?

A. Two years ago they still were.

Q. What about four years ago?

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Q. What was the accreditation of the school four years ago?

A. I don't know.

Q. What was the accreditation of the Wheatley School?

A. I don't know.

Q. What is the present accreditation of the Wheatley School?

A. At present unofficially it is a "B" school.

Q. The Central School has never been "B", has it?

A. Not to my knowledge.

Q. Now, this "B" rating denotes, does it not, that this 

school itself is still providing inferior education?

A. I don't know if it means that or not.

Q. Now, with regard to the reports from the teachers, which 

teachers have you discussed this matter with?

A. Two or three different ones.

Q. Did you ever think it was your responsibility as the 

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from the superintendent about the disparity in education 

between the two institutions, to call the Wheatley 

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problems and offer your cooperation to help resolve those 

problems?

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Q. And you don't know whether he met it or not, do you?

A. We explained to him what he should do, and we'd help him.

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A. When?

Q . Now.

A. Yes.

Q. Have you been doing so frequently during the last three 

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A. Not prior to the time I was elected to the school board.

Q. But you do go to the Wheatley School frequently and have

been going frequently since you have been on the board, 

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A. Right.

Q. How many times have you gone into that former Negro 

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Wheatley Central School?

A. I couldn't recall the names of any.

Q. But those are the reasons, though, that you gave for

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handled their indebtedness. That was a generalization. 

Did you have that complaint about Mr. Coleman?

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Q. All right, so you have to remove that one then. Did you 

have those complaints about Mr. Jackson prior to the 

time he was terminated?

A. I can't give you any specific complaints.

Q. Did you have that complaint about Mrs. Jackson prior to 

the time she was terminated?

A, Yes.

Q. Prom whom and when?

A. Through the superintendent's office.

Q. But from what source?

A. Letters.

Q. What letters?

A. Letters that were received in the superintendent's office,

Q. Letters that were allegedly received but which have been

destroyed, is that correct?

A. Yes.

Q. And you said you had that information about Mrs. Meeks 

but you didn't investigate. What about this allegation 

against Mrs. Jackson which you raised for the first time -- 

that is to say that she charged things to the school 

which she converted to her own use, do you know that for 

a fact?

A. Only that the superintendent told us that.

Q. What superintendent told you that?

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A. He told us that she had charged an item to the school, 

a personal item.

Q. What was the item?

A. I don't recall.

Q. Did he think it serious enough to bring it to the

attention of the whole board and have her appear before 

the board to explain it?

A. She did not appear before the board.

Q. That's not my question. Did he think it serious enough 

to have it brought to the attention of the board, and to 

have her appear before the board to explain it?

A. Not at that time.

Q. Do you know whether or not teachers at the Wheatley 

Central School as a matter of course ordered things 

and purchased things in their own names for .use at that 

school?

A. Not to my knowledge.

Q. So they may have or they may not have?

A. That is possible.

Q. Now, I notice in Defendants' Exhibit No. 1 that with 

reference to Mr. Coleman you stated that he had been 

fired previous to the time he met with the board on 

April 29, 1968; but you have no board minutes to reflect 

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A. I thought there was but evidently there wasn't. I can't 

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Q. So that these minutes merely read that the board met 

with four teachers - this is blurred - who had been 

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fact fired or dismissed from the Wheatley School?

A. We haven't been able to find those minutes.

Q. But you treated them all together, is that true?

A. Yes.

Q. Did you give them notice to all come there together?

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Q. So at some point in time, somebody had given Mr. Coleman 

notice that he was being fired - some person responsible 

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Q . You don't know who that person was?

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Q. You don’t know who that person was - you presume it was 

Mr. Richardson, don't you?

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Q. With regard to Mrs. Haley, and Mr. Haley, who had been

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Yes or no.

A. I don't know.

Q. You did think about it before coming to this court today?

A. Yes.

Q. And you don't know what the answer is?

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Q. I want to get one thing straight. You said that you 

completely integrated '67-68. You don't really mean 

that, you mean that you opened up all grades to freedom 

of choice for the 1967-68 school year, is that right?

A. All grades were opened.

Q. And for the '67-68 school year, you did continue to 

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A. It was predominantly Negro.

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Q. What was the pupil enrollment at the high school level 

during the 1967-68 school year?

A. I don't remember.

Q. You said predominantly black. Isn't it true that you

stated earlier in a deposition that it was approximately 

45 percent white?

A. Right.

Q. How, then, can you explain the two black teachers that 

would have all black students in a high school which is 

45 percent white?

A. I don't recall having said they were all Negro.

Q. All right, let's assume for the moment that they are.

How can you explain that?

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Q. Mr. Wheeler, did you and the secretary of the board 

sign a letter that has been exhibited here to the four 

plaintiffs notifying them officially of the termination 

of their services?

A . Yes.

Q. And do you know why that was necessary to send them 

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Why?

If they had not been sent in a designated time we would 

have automatically had to reemploy them.

Is that required by the state law?

Yes, sir.

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Q. You had this meeting with them on April 29, and you sent 

the notices out on May 28. I notice that even though 

you signed these notices, and the secretary signed them, 

that the decision was made by Mr. Kennedy on April 29 as 

to the teachers who would be hired the coming year. Is

that true?

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MR. WALKER: Your Honor, I would like for

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(Exhibit is observed)

A. It is dated April 29, 1968. "Motion made and seconded 

to accept Mr. Kennedy's recommendation on the remaining 

teachers that were to be hired."

Q. My question to you is, how could Mr. Kennedy objectively 

compare the qualifications of these four plaintiffs with 

the other persons who were being retained, or with new 

people who were going to be coming into the new system 

for the first time that he did not even know?

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Q. The people who were rehired, or were coming into the

system for the first time were brought in on his recom­

mendations, isn't that true?

A. After he was hired.

Q. What about April 29?

A. He wasn't an official member of the faculty at that time.

Q. But on the basis of his recommendation you hired all new 

teachers, according to this in the minutes. Are these 

erroneous minutes?

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Q. 1 So It's possible that these are erroneous minutes?

A . It's possible.

Q. Do you know whether Mr. Kennedy did, in fact, appear 

at that board meeting on April 29, 1968?

A. I don't recall that he did.

Q. So if these are erroneous board minutes, it's possible 

there have been others, isn't it?

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MR. WALKER: Yes, Your Honor.

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and particularly for clarification.

Mr. Jackson was last employed for the school year of 

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A. Yes, sir, in the Wheatley School.

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Q. Which was the black school?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. And he taught in the elementary grades?

A. Yes, sir.

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he teach in the elementary school, or did he teach in 

the junior high or high school?

A. In the elementary school.

Q. If you know, has his service the entire time in the 

school system been in the elemtary grades?

A. Yes, sir, to my knowledge.

Q. Is the same information true with reference to Mrs. 

Jackson?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. She was an elementary teacher?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. Is the same true insofar as Mrs. Meeks is concerned?

A. Yes, sir. Your Honor, I may clarify that inasmuch as

the high school children were sent to Brinkley on a 

tuition basis prior to the '67-68 school year.

Q. Were sent to where?

A. Brinkley, high school in Brinkley.

Q. Of course it goes without saying, then, that Mr. Coleman 

was teaching at the elementary school?

A. Correct.

Q. How many teachers did you have in the elementary school 

at Wheatley Central School?

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Q. Yes.

A. Five.

Q. You had five teachers in the elementary school?

A. That is grades one through five.

Q. They were all black?

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Q. And then you did away with Wheatley Central black elemen­

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A. Yes, sir.

Q. How many of the five teachers who were employed in the 

elementary school were transferred to the Wheatley 

School in connection with this transitional program?

A. One.

Q. What was the name of that teacher?

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of the two.

Q. How many students were going to the Wheatley Central 

elementary school?

A. I don't remember the number, Your Honor.

Q. Then I would assume that from: your testimony that

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Q . You earlier testified that there were 23 teachers in the 

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How many of those eighteen teachers were white, and how 

many of them were black?

There was four black and fourteen white.

Today you have the superintendent of schools and nineteen 

teachers?

Yes, Your Honor... eighteen teachers, a principal and 

a superintendent.

According to that you have a total of 20, a superintendent 

principal and eighteen teachers?

Yes, sir.

The superintendent, Mr. Kennedy, is white. Is the 

principal white?

Yes, sir.

What is his name?

William Lee

Now the four who are black teaching in the Wheatley 

School, how many are teaching in the high school, if any, 

how many are teaching in the junior high, and how many 

in the elementary grades?

There are not any in junior high and senior high.

MR. WALKER: Your Honor I think Mr.

Kennedy would state that there are only three black 

teachers in the school.

That is correct. We had four contracted and one of them

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Q. (THE COURT, continuing) And all three of those are 

teaching in the elementary school?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. Was Mrs. Haley teaching in the elementary schools?

A. No, sir, she was in high school.

Q. And when she left then that vacancy necessarily had to 

be filled by someone who was qualified to teach in the 

high school?

A. Yes, sir.

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to the Wheatley School?

A. Yes, sir, there was.

Q. You moved one teacher from Central over?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. Did you employ or bring into the elementary school any 

other teachers?

A. Three new teachers.

Q. Three new teachers in the elementary school?

A. Yes, sir.

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A. Nine.

THE COURT: I believe that is all the

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MR. BUTLER: No further questions.

MR. WALKER: I would just like to get

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RE-RE-REDIRECT EXAMINATION, continued

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Q. Mr. Wheeler, it is my information that you really didn’t 

have two high school teachers. You had one high school 

black teacher, and that was Mrs. Haley; and Mr. Haley 

was actually doing the student teaching. Is that true?

I mean he was not on the payroll of the district as such, 

but he was doing his student teaching to fulfill his 

teaching requirements from his college?

A. Yes.

MR. WALKER: Thank you.

THE COURT: Gentlemen, it is past the

noon hour. We will be in recess until 1:30.

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THE COURT: Call your next witness.

MR. WALKER: L. R. Jackson.

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tiffs, after first being duly sworn, testified as follows:

DIRECT EXAMINATION

3Y MR. WALKER:

Q. Mr. Jackson, would you state your name, address and

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occupation, please?

My name is Lee Roy Jackson. My address is 308 Carter 

Street, Brinkley. My occupation is school teaching.

What is your education?

I have a BS degree in elementary education and a minor 

in sociology. I have my degree from Orambling College.

Do you hold an appropriate certification as an elementary 

school teacher from the State Department of Ecucation?

I do.

How long have you been in the teaching profession, Mr. 

Jackson?

Twenty-five years.

Have you previously been employed as a school teacher 

and administrator for the Wheatley School System?

I have.

How long were you employed by that school system and In 

what capacity?

I've been employed in the Wheatley School System eleven 

years, eleven contract years, as a full-time professional

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teacher and a supervisor, supervisor-principal.

Q. At which school did you teach or work prior to the 

time that you began work at the Wheatley School 

System?

A. Moro School at More, Arkansas - called the Carver 

School.

Q. So you left the colored school at Moro to come to the 

colored school or all-black school at Wheatley?

A. That's right.

Q. Did you receive any recommendation in coming from the 

Moro School System to the Wheatley School System?

A. I did.

Q. By whom was that recommendation made?

A. Mr. Kennedy, superintendent of the Wheatley School 

District.

Q. He recommended you for the job?

A. That's right.

Q. Eleven years ago, even though you were not teaching 

in the system?

A. Right.

Q. At the time that you came to work from Carver, would you 

mind stating to the Court what the arrangement was 

that the district had for Negro pupils in grades seven 

through twelve who resided in the Wheatley School Dist­

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A. Grades seven through twelve were transported to the 

high school in Brinkley, Marion Anderson.

Q. That is the Negro high school?

A. Yes, Negro High School in Brinkley.

Q. Was this pursuant to a tuition arrangement between 

Wheatley and Brinkley?

A. Yes, sir, on a tuitional basis.

Q. What was the number of grades in the Wheatly Central 

School when you first came there?

A. When I first came there it was first through six.

Q. And all the pupils who resided in the district attended

that particular school —  all the pupils who were 

black?

A. That's right.

Q. And white youngsters in grades one through twelve 

attended school at Wheatley?

A. That's right.

Q. During your tenure as supervisor or principal and

teacher at the Central School, how many superintendents 

have you had occasion to work under?

A. You want me to name them?

Q. Please.

A. I was hired under Mr. Brown. After Mr. Brown I served 

one year under a superintendent named Mr. Steel. After

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is now with the fire department at Little Rock.

Then I served a year under Mr. Lineberger, then three 

years under Mr. Flowers, and one year under Mr. Richard 

son.

Q. During that period of time what was your understanding 

of the power that was in the Wheatley School System?

Do you understand my question?

A. No.

Q. Well, explain how your relationship was to the super­

intendent, and also what your relationship was to 

the Board of Education?

A. When the school board hired me they asked me to come 

to a meeting. At that time I had a chance to ask 

them any questions I needed to about the school. At 

that time they told me if I had a problem with anything 

to tell the superintendent, and the superintendent 

would tell them and they would take care of it.

That lasted about two years and after that I haven't 

seen a school board member.

Q. You mean to say that in the last nine years there has 

not been a school board member at your school?

A. No, sir.

Q. Your answer is that they have not been in your school?

A. That's right.

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what did the structure of the building consist of?

A block building.

How many classrooms did you have?

Six classrooms but only used five.

Did you have a library there?

No, sir.

Have you ever had a library in that school?

No, sir.

Have you ever had any teaching personnel prior to 

Public Law 8910 other than persons who had instructional 

relationships to the pupils?

No.

Prior to Public Law 8910 did you have any special pro­

grams designed to enable the youngsters to overcome

any l e a r n i n g  d i s a b i l i t i e s  t h a t  t h e y  may h a v e  h a d .

No, sir, we did not.

Did the previous superintendents devote much time 

and attention to the program at the Wheatley Central 

School?

No, sir.

In terms of funds that were provided to the school 

which were disbursed through you, would you state 

whether or not you received special funds for the 

purpose of instructional material at any time from

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A. We did not.

Q. In the event you did receive, or your school did re­

ceive, instructional material at any time, by what 

source was it provided?

A. It was provided by whatever the superintendent wanted 

us to have. He would buy it and bring it to us.

Q. So that if a teacher needed teaching aids and materials 

in language, how would she get them?

A. Buy them with their own money.

Q. Did you have occasion to do that, Mr. Jackson?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. One occasion?

A. Several occasions.

Q. Do you have personal knowledge of whether other teachers 

have done the same thing?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. Would you say that was a seldom or frequent thing?

A. It was during the year anytime they needed anything.

The teachers could make out a list of what they wanted 

and I ’d carry it to the superintendent, and he would 

promise to get it but I wouldn’t get It. This past 

school year when we opened school and we had done some 

transferring I had teachers - one was third and one was 

second grade - who needed actual textbooks. I gave 

the list to the superintendent and as to this day 

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Q. Did you ever have occasion to get hand-me-down books 

from the white school?

A. It's all we ever got.

Q. Do you know whether or not you received other used

items that came from the white school, such as desks?

A. Yes, sir, we have.

Q. Do you know whether any materials or facilities or 

resources that were used in the black schools were 

ever taken from the black school after they had been 

used and placed in the white schools?

A. Not while I was there.

Q. Did you have a hot-lunch program there at the school,

Mr. Jackson?

A. Yes.

Q. Would you mind stating to the Court what happened to 

that hot-lunch program whenever it rained?

A. Whenever it rained the concrete floor on the east

side of the building which consisted of lunch room, 

three classrooms and two restrooms, the water would just 

come clean through; and there have been several occasions 

on a rainy day where I had to go off and get some boots 

so my cook could continue to serve during the noon 

hour. Some child would have to go back there and 

continue to sweep out the water with a broom.

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in this case, whether their contracts were terminated 

because of race.

MR. WALKER: Your Honor, our position

is that in view of the fact that these teachers were 

dismissed because of the fact that they provided poor 

quality instruction, we have to respond to that by 

showing that what they had to work with was poor 

equipment and no equipment and facilities, and this is 

what I'm attempting to show by this line of testimony.

THE COURT: Mr. Walker, testimony has

already been put in this record to show that the 

school had a certain rating, or maybe no rating at all, 

and this is true. The contenticn is lack of qualifi­

cation, and I think it is proper''test imony. You may 

proceed.

Q. (MR. WALKER, continuing) Did you bring any of this

back to the attention of the superintendent of schools?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. What was his response to these facts?

A. One day after I talked with him I seen Mr. Michaelis 

looking it over, and they got the janitor to take 

a shovel and dig a six-inch ditch on the back, and 

everytime it'd rain the ditch would run over. They 

got a road grader to dig one ditch out on the front 

running north, two running west; but our water 

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Q. Did you ever have to do any maintenance work yourself?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. When you presented these problems to the superintendent, 

did he help you with the maintenance, or did he provide 

you with materials or anything?

A. He would give me funds to go buy a mop but I'd have to 

do the work,

Q . Now...

A. Mr. Walker, I might say that I didn't have a janitor,

I had a man who swept up every evening after we were 

gone.

Q. You were never provided a janitor for that school?

A. One who would sweep up the school in the afternoon, 

but after that I wouldn't see him until the next day 

after dinner.

Q. Had you stated previously whether the board ever involved 

itself directly in the last two years with the school 

facility itself?

A. No, sir, it didn't.

Q. Do you know whether any board member individually ever 

came into the classroom of either one of the dismissed 

teachers?

A. No, sir. I was only able to get the superintendent

in the classroom once at that time. During that time

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Q. With the employment of teachers, what was your respon­

sibility for the employment of teachers for the Wheatley 

Central School?

A. The superintendent would talkrto me about these

matters, and we would agree on it, and then he would 

recommend them back to the board. That was until the 

last two years.

Q. What happened during that time?

A. I don't know because nobody asked me about it. I 

would be unable to tell you.

Q. During the time of your administration, more or less 

while you were also teaching, did you have occasion:', 

to observe the work of Mrs. Meeks, Mrs. Jackson and 

Mr. Coleman?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. Did you observe them to be competent, qualified teachers?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. Were they appropriately certified by the State Board of 

Education?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. Every one of them?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. Did Mr. Richardson, the previous superintendent, know

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that.

Q. Did you ever receive any complaints from Mr. Richard­

son about their work?

A. No, sir.

Q. Or about the end result that was being produced by 

the Wheatley Central School?

A. No, sir.

Q. Did you ever receive any complaints from Mr. Richardson 

about the credit or the purchases of your wife, Mrs. 

Jackson?

A. No, sir.

Q. Did you ever receive any complaints from the board

about either the work or the credit of Mrs. Jackson?

A. No, sir.

Q. Or Mrs. Meeks?

A. No, sir.

Q. Or of Mr. Coleman?

A. No, sir.

Q. If these people had received a complaint from the

board or the superintendent, how would that complaint 

have been made?

A. Through the superintendent.

Q. Then from the superintendent to which other person 

in the line down?

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A. To the individual.

Q. Since you have been principal of the school, or

supervisor-teacher, have you had occasion to receive 

complaints about white teachers in the system?

A. No, sir.

Q. Have you received complaints against Negro teachers

in the system?

A. No, sir.

Q. You heard stated that there were two different occasions 

when you appeared before the board to answer complaints 

about your work from Negro citizens, is that correct?

A. No, sir, that is not true. I never appeared before 

the board...

Q. According to their minutes...

A. No, sir, that is not true.

Q. You have not?

A. No, sir, I have never appeared before the board on 

local complaints.

Q. Mr. Jackson, do you know whether any of the other 

teachers have actually appeared before the board?

A. No, sir, they have not.

Q. Do you know whether the board meetings are public to 

the best of your knowledge?

A. No, sir, I do not.

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A. I do not know.

Q. When did the school district begin a process of deseg­

regation - in a general way what was the plan they 

adopted?

A. They started their desegregation plan under Mr. Flowers. 

When he told me about it they were going to integrate 

the first grades in high school because they sent the 

high school students to Brinkley, and it was recom­

mended to him that he follow Brinkley^s plan which 

was the first four grades, and that’s how it started - 

the first four grades.

Q. What was the number of black pupils who were assigned 

to the white school to the best of your recollection?

A. Eight.

Q. And the rest of the youngsters in grades one through 

six were to continue in Central School?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. The second year of'desegregation, what was the plan and 

what was the result of the plan in terms of Negro 

pupils going to white schools?

A. The plan the second year was to integrate the next 

four which would be the first eight grades. At the 

time the bus got overcrowded and they had kept the 

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Q. By that you mean they had n ot continued to transport 

the seventh grade pupils to Brinkley?

A. Yes. An overcrowded bus caused us to keep them.

Then the year when they was to get ready the first eight 

grades the Brinkly school board said they would not 

take the eight grade. Therefore that year we had 

freedom of choice from the first through the eighth 

grades.

Q. During that year how many black teachers were assigned 

to the Wheatley High School?

A. You mean?

Q. During the second year of integration?

A. One.

Q. What was the racial composition of the pupilsi that

teacher taught to the best of your recollection?

A. To the best information I had she was teaching a special 

reading course, and she told me she taught grades one 

through eight.

Q. All black students?

A. All black.

Q. What was her name?

A. Mrs. Spears.

Q. Is Mrs. Spears still teaching in the system?

A. Yes.

Q. Is she still teaching all black students?

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Q. D u r i n g  t h e  t h i r d  y e a r  o n  d e s e g r e g a t i o n ,  d o  y o u  r e c a l l

w h a t  t h e  p l a n  w a s  - -  t h a t  w a s  ' 6 7 - 6 8 ?

A. T h a t  w a s  f o r  t h e  h i g h  s c h o o l .

Q. C o m p l e t e  o n e  t h r o u g h  t w e l v e ?

A .  Y e s ,  s i r .

Q. Do y o u  r e c a l l  how  m any  N e g r o  p u p i l s  r e m a i n e d  i n  y o u r

s c h o o l  a t  t h a t  t i m e ?

A .  A t  t h a t  t i m e  I  h a d  1 2 5 .

Q. And how  m any  h a d  y o u  h a d  i n  1 9 6 4 ?

A. 1 9 6 4 ,  b e t t e r  t h a n  2 0 0 .

Q. I n  1 9 6 7 - 6 8  did y o u  h a v e  a n y  c o n v e r s a t i o n  a b o u t  t h e

d e s e g r e g a t i o n  p l a n  t h a t  t h e  d i s t r i c t  w a s  f o l l o w i n g  

w i t h  t h e  s u p e r i n t e n d e n t  o f  s c h o o l s ?

A. Y e s ,  s i r ,  h e  t o l d  me t h a t  t h e y  w e r e  f o l l o w i n g  som e

d e s e g r e g a t i o n  p l a n s ,  b u t  h e  c o u l d n ' t  g i v e  me d e f i n i t e  

a b o u t  i t .  He h a d  t o  w a i t  u n t i l  h e  h a d  s o m e  m o r e  n e w s ,  

a n d  s o  h e  com e  b y  o n e  d a y  a n d  h e  t o l d  me t h a t  t h e  

H e a l t h ,  E d u c a t i o n  a n d  W e l f a r e  D e p a r t m e n t  w a s  g o i n g  

t o  v i s i t  u s ,  a n d  t h e y  d i d .

q . A nd w h a t  h a p p e n e d  a f t e r  t h e  r e s u l t  o f  t h e  HEW v i s i t ?

A. When t h e y  v i s i t e d ,  t h a t  w a s  t h e  o n l y  t i m e  I  g o t  t h e

s u p e r i n t e n d e n t  i n  a l l  t h e  t e a c h e r s '  r o o m s .  And t h e  

w e e k  a f t e r  t h e y  m ade  t h e i r  v i s i t ,  t h e  s u p e r i n t e n d e n t  

c a m e  down o n e  morning a n d  t o l d  me t h a t  t h e y  b a d  s a i d  

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t o  g e t  a n  e d u c a t i o n .  He f u r t h e r  t o l d  me t h a t  t h e y  

h a d  h i m  t o  k n o w  t h a t  W h e a t l e y  E l e m e n t a r y  S c h o o l  h a d  

o n e  s i x t h  g r a d e  t e a c h e r  w h e r e  I  h a d  s i x  a n d  s e v e n  

g r a d e s  a n d  my c h i l d r e n  d i d  n o t  h a v e  t h e  s a m e  

o p p o r t u n i t y  t h e y  h a d .  T h e r e f o r e ,  h e  s a i d  m ove  t h o s e  

t w o  g r a d e s .  My f i r s t  g r a d e  t e a c h e r  h a d  a b o u t  4 0  

c h i l d r e n .  T h e y  t o l d  t h e m  t h e  f i r s t  g r a d e  t e a c h e r  at.  

W h e a t l e y  E l e m e n t a r y  h a d  t o o  many  c h i l d r e n ,  s o  d i d  

t h e  t e a c h e r s  a t  t h e  W h e a t l e y  C e n t r a l  S c h o o l ;  m o v i n g  

t w o  g r a d e s ,  m o v e d  o n e  t e a c h e r  a n d  t a k i n g  e n o u g h  f i r s t  

g r a d e  c h i l d r e n  w i t h  h e r ,  t h a t  t h e y  c o u l d  d i v i d e  t h e  

f i r s t  g r a d e  i n t o  t h r e e  s e c t i o n s  a n d  e a c h  t e a c h e r  

w o u l d  h a v e  t h e  s a m e  n u m b e r  o f  c h i l d r e n .  A t  t h i s  r a t e ,  

t h a t  w a s  t h e  f i r s t  y e a r  s i n c e  I  h a d  b e e n  t o  W h e a t l e y  

t h a t  we h a d  g o t t e n  t o  t h e  p l a c e  t o  w h e r e  o n e  t e a c h e r  

h a d  o n e  g r a d e  s o m e w h e r e  f o r  t h e  w h o l e  t i m e  I  h a d  b e e n  

t h e r e ;  som e  o f  t h e  t e a c h e r s  down t h e  l i n e  h a d  t w o  

g r a d e s .

q .  By t h a t  y o u  m e a n  c o m b i n a t i o n  o f  g r a d e s ,  s a y  l i k e

f o u r t h  a n d  f i f t h ,  s i x t h  a n d  s e v e n t h ,  f i r s t  a n d  s e c o n d ?

A. R i g h t .

Q.  T h e y  d i d ,  a f t e r  t h e  r e s u l t  o f  t h e  HEW d i r e c t e d ,  a t  t h e

b e g i n n i n g  o f  t h e  ' 6 7 - 6 8  s c h o o l  y e a r  t a k e  o n e  o f  y o u r  

t e a c h e r s  a n d  p l a c e d  t h e m  i n  t h e  w h i t e  s c h o o l ?

A. T h a t ' s  r i g h t .



Who w a s  t h a t  t e a c h e r ?

M r s . Dickson.

Now w h a t  w a s  t h e  r a c e  o f  t h e  p u p i l s  t h a t  M r s .  Dickson 

t a u g h t  d u r i n g  t h e  ' 6 7 - 6 8  s c h o o l  y e a r ,  t o  t h e  b e s t  o f  

y o u r  k n o w l e d g e ?

N e g r o e s .

O n l y  N e g r o  p u p i l s ?

Y e s ,  s i r .

Now d i d  y o u  h a v e  a n y  o t h e r  c o n v e r s a t i o n  t h a t  y e a r  w i t h  

r e g a r d  t o  t h e  c l o s i n g  o f ,  o r  p r o b a b l e  c l o s i n g ,  o f  t h e  

C e n t r a l  S c h o o l  w i t h  t h e  s u p e r i n t e n d e n t  o f  s c h o o l s ?

Y e s ,  s i r ,  we t a l k e d  a b o u t  i t ,  b u t  h e  s e e m e d  t o  n o t  

k n o w  a n d  h e  w o n d e r e d  w h a t  w o u l d  h a p p e n .  So  a f t e r  t h e  

m i d d l e  o f  M a r c h  I  a s k e d  h i m  w h e n  t h e  s c h o o l  b o a r d  w a s  

g o i n g  t o  h i r e  t e a c h e r s ,  a n d  h e  t o l d  me h e  d i d n ' t  k n o w ,  

b u t  h e  w o u l d  l e t  u s  k n o w .

D i d  h e  t e l l  y o u  a t  t h a t  t i m e  t h a t  h e  w o u l d  n o t  

r e c o m m e n d  y o u  f o r  r e e m p l o y m e n t ?

No,  s i r .

D i d  h e  m a k e  a n y  s t a t e m e n t  a s  t o  t h e  s c h o o l  b o a r d ' s  

a t t i t u d e  a b o u t  t h e  f a c u l t y  d e s e g r e g a t i o n ?

W e l l ,  h e  t o l d  me h e  d i d n ' t  k n o w  w h a t  t h e  b o a r d  w a s  

g o i n g  t o  d o ,  a n d ,  o f  c o u r s e ,  e v e r y  w e e k  I  w o u l d  a s k  

h i m  i f  t h e y  m e t ,  w h a t  t h e y  s a i d ,  a n d  h e  d i d n ' t  g i v e  

me a  d e c i s i o n  u n t i l  t h e  l a s t  o f  M a r c h .



1 1 2 .

Q. W h a t  w a s  h i s  d e c i s i o n ?

A. T h e  d e c i s i o n  w a s  t h a t  t h e  s c h o o l  b o a r d  h a d  r e h i r e d

s e v e r a l  t e a c h e r s ,  h a d  n o t  r e n e w e d  my c o n t r a c t ,  a n d  

h a d  n o t  v o t e d  t o  r e n e w  my w i f e ’s ,  a n d  h a d  n o t  v o t e d  t o  

r e n e w  M r .  C o l e m a n s  a n d  M r s .  M e e k s ,  a n d  I  w a n t e d  t o  

k n o w  w h y .

Q. D i d  h e  g i v e  y o u  a  r e a s o n  w h y ?

A .  Y e s ,  s i r .

Q. W h a t  w a s  t h e  r e a s o n  h e  g a v e  y o u ?

A .  He t o l d  me t h a t  e v e r y b o d y  w a s  g o i n g  t o  p u t  t h e

r e s p o n s i b i l i t y  o n  s o m e b o d y  e l s e ,  b u t  h e  s a i d ,  " J a c k s o n ,  

t h e  m a i n  r e a s o n  i s  we a r e  e n t e r i n g  i n t e g r a t i o n  a n d  

t h i s  b o a r d  d o e s  n o t  w a n t  y o u  t o  t e a c h  t h e i r  c h i l d r e n .

Q. D i d  y o u  h a v e  a n y  c o n v e r s a t i o n  w i t h  h i m  s u b j e c t  t o  t h a t

MR. BUTLER: Y o u r  H o n o r ,  we w o u l d  l i k e  t o

a s k  t h a t  t h a t  t e s t i m o n y  b e  s t r i c k e n  o n  t h e  g r o u n d s  

i t  i s  h e a r s a y .  T h a t  s u p e r i n t e n d e n t  i s  n o t  a  p a r t y  t o  

t h i s  s u i t .

THE COURT: He i s  t h e  man i n v o l v e d ,  M r .  B u t l e r ,

a n d  h e  c a n  t e s t i f y  t o  w h a t  h e  t o l d  h i m .  Who w a s  t h e  

s u p e r i n t e n d e n t ?

Q. (MR. WALKER, c o n t i n u i n g ) : W o u l d  y o u  s t a t e  t h e

s u p e r i n t e n d e n t ’ s  n a m e ,  p l e a s e ?

A. M r .  R i c h a r d s o n .

Q. Now w o u l d  y o u  m i n d  s t a t i n g  w h e t h e r  y o u  r e q u e s t e d  o f

M r .  R i c h a r d s o n  t h a t  h e  a r r a n g e  a  m e e t i n g  w i t h  t h e



113.

b o a r d  o f  e d u c a t i o n ?

A .  I  d i d .

Q. W o u l d  y o u  s t a t e  t o  t h e  C o u r t  w h a t  h a p p e n e d  a f t e r  y o u

m a d e  t h i s  r e q u e s t  o f  M r .  R i c h a r d s o n ?

• A f t e r  x m a d e  t h e  r e q u e s t  h e  c a m e  b a c k  o n e  e v e n i n g

a t  t h e  c l o s e  o f  s c h o o l  a n d  t o l d  me t h a t  I  c o u l d  m e e t  

w i t h  t h e  b o a r d  t h a t  n i g h t  a b o u t  s e v e n - t h i r t y . s o  

we d i d ,  we m e t  w i t h  t h e  b o a r d  t h a t  n i g h t  a t  s e v e n -  

t h i r t y  .

Q.  Now w o u l d  y o u  r e l a t e  t o  t h e  C o u r t  w h a t  h a p p e n e d  a t

t h a t  b o a r d  m e e t i n g  i n  t h e  t e r m s  o f  t h e  p o s i t i o n  t h a t  

y o u  t o o k  a n d  t h e  p o s i t i o n  t h a t  t h e  b o a r d  t o o k ?

A .  A t  t h a t  m e e t i n g  t h a t  n i g h t  t h e y  t o l d  me t h e r e  w a s n ' t

a n y  u s e  i n  a n y b o d y  c o m i n g  b u t  me ,  b u t  I  c a r r i e d  a l l  

f o u r  o f  u s .  I  t o l d  t h e m  I  w o u l d  l i k e  t o  k n o w  why my 

c o n t r a c t  w a s  n o t  r e n e w e d .  T h e  r e a s o n  t h e y  g a v e  me a t  

t h a t  m e e t i n g  w a s ,  s i n c e  t h e y  p u t  t h e  t w o  s c h o o l s  

t o g e t h e r  t h e y  h a d  m o r e  N e g r o e s  t h a n  t h e y  h a d  w h i t e s .  

T h e y  c o u l d  t a k e  t h e  n u m b e r  o f  t e a c h e r s  t h e y  a l r e a d y  

h a d  a n d  r u n  i t ,  t h e y  w o u l d n ' t  h a v e  t o  h a v e  a l l  o f  u s .  

T h a t  w a s  t h e i r  r e a s o n  f o r  l e t t i n g  u s  g o ,  t h a t  i s  w h a t  

t h e y  t o l d  u s  a t  t h e  m e e t i n g .  A nd  d u r i n g  t h a t  t i m e  

we d i d  a s k  som e  q u e s t i o n s .  I  r e m e m b e r  s o m e b o d y  a s k e d  

t h e  q u e s t i o n  i f  y o u  n e e d  a n y  m o r e  t e a c h e r s ,  w o u l d  y o u  

c o n s i d e r  u s .  M r .  K e n n e d y  a n d  M r .  W h e e l e r  h a d  u s  t o



k n o w  d e f i n i t e l y  i f  t h e y  h a d  t o  h i r e  a n y  m o r e  t e a c h e r s  

t h e y  w o u l d  d e f i n i t e l y  c o n s i d e r  u s  f i r s t .

L e t  me a s k  y o u ,  d i d  y o u  s a y  M r .  K e n n e d y ?

Y e s ,  s i r ,  M r .  K e n n e d y ,  r i g h t  t h e r e .

W h a t  w a s  M r .  K e n n e d y  d o i n g  t h e r e ,  w a s  h e  e m p l o y e d  b y  

t h e  d i s t r i c t  a t  t h a t  t i m e ?

I f  I  s a y  s o ,  h e  o p e r a t e d  t h e  m e e t i n g  t h a t  n i g h t .

M r .  K e n n e d y ?

Y e s ,  s i r .

W h a t  w a s  M r .  R i c h a r d s o n  d o i n g  d u r i n g  a l l  o f  t h i s ?  

A b o u t  l i k e  t h e  a u d i e n c e  b a c k  t h e r e .

Now d i d  y o u  h a v e  a n y  c o n v e r s a t i o n  w i t h  M r .  R i c h a r d s o n  

a f t e r  t h a t  b o a r d  m e e t i n g  a b o u t  w h a t  h a d  h a p p e n e d  a t  

t h e  b o a r d  m e e t i n g  t h e  p r e v i o u s  n i g h t ?

Y e s ,  s i r .

W o u l d  y o u  r e l a t e  t o  t h e  C o u r t  w h a t  M r .  R i c h a r d s o n  

t o l d  y o u  a b o u t  - -

THE COURT: I  d o n ' t  k n o w  a b o u t  t h a t  —  h e  w a s

a t  t h e  b o a r d  m e e t i n g  a s  I  u n d e r s t o o d .

MR. WALKER: M r .  R i c h a r d s o n ?

THE COURT: No,  t h i s  p a r t y .

MR. WALKER: Now, Y o u r  H o n o r ,  Mr.  R i c h a r d s o n

w a s  t h e  s u p e r i n t e n d e n t  —  M r.  R i c h a r d s o n  w a s  s t i l l  

s u p e r i n t e n d e n t  a n d  M r .  K e n n e d y  h a d  n o t  a s s u m e d ,  b y  

M r .  K e n n e d y ' s  own t e s t i m o n y ,  a n y  r e s p o n s i b i l i t y  f o r



115.

t h a t  s c h o o l  d i s t r i c t  u n t i l  J u l y  1 .  S o ,  I  w a n t  t o  k n o w  

a n d  h a v e  i n  t h e  r e c o r d  a n y  c o n v e r s a t i o n  b e t w e e n  t h e  

man i n  c h a r g e  w i t h  r u n n i n g  t h a t  s c h o o l  a n d  t h e  man 

c h a r g e d  w i t h  b e i n g  r e s p o n s i b l e  f o r  t h e  b l a c k  s c h o o l  

i n  t h a t  s y s t e m .

THE COURT: W e l l ,  h e  c a n  t e s t i f y  t o  w h a t

M r .  K e n n e d y  t o l d  h i m  w i t h  r e f e r e n c e  t o  h i s  c o n t r a c t .

B u t  e n t e r i n g  i n t o  a  d i s c u s s i o n  a b o u t  w h a t  w e n t  o n  a t  

t h e  b o a r d  m e e t i n g ,  t h a t  w o u l d  b e  a  l i t t l e  b i t  b e y o n d  - -

MR. WALKER: T h a t ' s  f i n e ,  Y o u r  H o n o r .

MR. BUTLER: I  w a n t  t o  r e n e w  my o b j e c t i o n  t o

a l l  t h i s  l i n e  o f  t e s t i m o n y  o f  w i t n e s s  J a c k s o n ' s  

c o n v e r s a t i o n  w i t h  M r . R i c h a r d s o n . M r .  R i c h a r d s o n  i s  

n o t  a  p a r t y  t o  t h i s  l a w s u i t  a n d  we o b j e c t  t o  i t  o n  t h e  

g r o u n d s  t h a t  i t  i s  h e a r s a y .

THE COURT: T h e  o b j e c t i o n  i s  o v e r r u l e d  b e c a u s e

M r .  R i c h a r d s o n  w a s  t h e  s u p e r i n t e n d e n t  o f  s c h o o l s  a t  

t h e  t i m e  a n d  w a s  i n v o l v e d  i n  t h e  m e e t i n g s  a n d  t h e  

a c t i o n s  t h a t  t o o k  p l a c e .  You  may p r o c e e d .

MR. WALKER: L e t  me s a y  t h a t  I  w o u l d  l i k e  t o

u r g e  t h a t  M r .  R i c h a r d s o n ' s  r e c o m m e n d a t i o n s  a r e  t h e  

r e c o m m e n d a t i o n s  t h a t  t h e s e  d e f e n d a n t s  a r e  i n  c o u r t  

now t r y i n g  t o  u p h o l d .

(MR. WALKER, c o n t i n u i n g ) : W h a t  o t h e r  c o n v e r s a t i o n

a b o u t  t h e  r e n e w a l  o f  y o u r  c o n t r a c t ,  o r  t h e  o t h e r  

t e a c h e r ' s  c o n t r a c t s  d i d  y o u  t h e r e a f t e r  h a v e  w i t h



M r.  R i c h a r d s o n ?

T h e  n e x t  d a y  M r .  R i c h a r d s o n  h a d  me t o  k n o w  t h a t  w h a t  

t h e  b o a r d  t o l d  me t h a t  n i g h t  w a s  n o t  w h a t  t h e y  h a d  

t o l d  h i m .  He s a i d  a f t e r  we l e f t  t h a t  n i g h t  a n d  t h e y  

w e n t  b a c k  t o  v i s i t  h e  a s k e d  t h e m  i f  t h e y  h a d  c h a n g e d  

t h e i r  m i n d s ,  a n d  s o m e b o d y  a s k e d  h i m  w h y .  He s a i d  

y o u  d i d  n o t  t e l l  t h o s e  t e a c h e r s  w h a t  y o u  h a d  p u t  o n  

r e c o r d .  And h e  s a i d  t h e y  d i d n ’ t  s a y  a n y t h i n g  e l s e  

a b o u t  i t  „

Now l e t  me a s k  y o u ,  I  w a n t  t o  s a v e  some t i m e  b y  u s i n g  

y o u  a s  m uch  a s  I  c a n .  Now, M r s .  M a l i s s a  M e e k s  i s  y o u r  

s i s t e r ?

T h a t ' s  r i g h t .

D o e s  s h e  q u a l i f y  a s  a  t e a c h e r ?

T h a t ' s  r i g h t .

Now d o  y o u  k n o w  w h e t h e r  o r  n o t  s h e  h a d  a  f i r e  a t  a n y  

t i m e  d u r i n g  t h e  1 9 6 6 - 6 7  y e a r ?

Y e a h ,  I  d o .

W h a t  h a p p e n e d  i n  t h a t  f i r e  t o  t h e  b e s t  o f  y o u r  k n o w l e d g e  

S h e  h a d  a  t o t a l  l o s s .

Do y o u  p e r s o n a l l y  k n o w  a s  a r e s u l t  o f  t h a t  f i r e  s h e  

i n c u r r e d  som e  f i n a n c i a l  h a r d s h i p ?

Y e s ,  s i r ,  s h e  d i d .

B u t  p r i o r  t o  t h a t  t i m e  t o  t h e  b e s t  o f  y o u r  k n o w l e d g e  

d i d  s h e  h a v e  d i f f i c u l t y  p a y i n g  h e r  d e b t s ?



117 .

A .  N o ,  s i r ,  s h e  d i d n ' t .

Q.  Now, M r .  J a c k s o n ,  t h e r e  h a s  b e e n  som e  t e s t i m o n y  a b o u t

s o m e  p u r c h a s e s  m a d e  b y  M r s .  J a c k s o n  f r o m  a  p l a c e  

c a l l e d  S c h o o l  p r o d u c t s  C o m p a n y .  C o u l d  y o u  t e l l  u s  

w h a t  t h e  S c h o o l  P r o d u c t s  C om pa ny  i s ?

A. S c h o o l  P r o d u c t s  C om pany  i s  a  c o m p a n y  w h e r e  y o u  b u y

m a t e r i a l  t o  u s e  i n  t h e  s c h o o l s .

Q. Do y o u  k n o w  w h e t h e r  M r s .  J a c k s o n  a c t u a l l y  p u r c h a s e d

m a t e r i a l s  f r o m  t h a t  p l a c e ?

A. Y e s ,  s i r ,  s h e  a c t u a l l y  p u r c h a s e d  m a t e r i a l s  b u t  n o t

c h a r g e d  t o  t h e  s c h o o l  b o a r d .

Q. To whom w e r e  t h e y  c h a r g e d ?

A .  T h e y  w a s  c h a r g e d  t o  h e r ,  a s  a  t e a c h e r  i n  t h e  W h e a t l e y

C e n t r a l  S c h o o l .

Q.  D i d  s h e  p a y  f o r  t h e m  h e r s e l f ?

A .  Y e s ,  s i r .

Q.  F o r  whom d i d  s h e  u s e  t h o s e  m a t e r i a l s  t h a t  s h e  p u r c h a s e d

A. U s e d  t h e m  f o r  t h e  c h i l d r e n  i n  s c h o o l .

Q.  T h e r e  h a s  b e e n  som e  t e s t i m o n y  a b o u t  t h e  a c c r e d i t a t i o n

o r  t h e  c e r t i f i c a t i o n  o f  M r .  C o l e m a n ;  w a s  M r .  C o l e m a n  

c e r t i f i e d  d u r i n g  t h e  ' 6 6 - 6 7  s c h o o l  y e a r ?

A. Y e s ,  s i r .

Q.  Was h e  e l i g i b l e  t o  y o u r  k n o w l e d g e  a c c o r d i n g  t o  t h e

i n f o r m a t i o n  g i v e n  y o u  b y  M r .  R i c h a r d s o n  f o r  r e c e r t i f i ­

c a t i o n  f o r  t h e  ' 6 8 - 6 9  s c h o o l  y e a r ?

A. Y e s ,  s i r ,  h e  w a s .



118,

Q. Now f o r  t h e  r e c o r d , ,  y o u  a r e  e m p l o y e d  a t  p r e s e n t ,  a r e

y o u  n o t ?

A .  I  am p a r t - t i m e .

Q. P a r t - t i m e  e m p l o y m e n t ?

A .  T h a t ' s  r i g h t .

MR. WALKER: Y o u r  H o n o r ,  I  h a v e  g o n e  t h r o u g h

m o s t  o f  t h i s  a n d  M r .  B u t l e r  h a s  t o o  a n d  I  w o u l d  l i k e  

t o  m a k e  p e r h a p s  a c a p i t a l i z e d  s t a t e m e n t ,  b e c a u s e  t h i s  

j u s t  g o e s  t o  t h e  i s s u e  o f  d a m a g e s .

THE COURT: Why d o n ' t  y o u  l e t  h i m  t e s t i f y ,

a n d  n o t  t e s t i f y  f o r  h i m ,  M r .  W a l k e r ?

MR. WALKER: I  w a s  t r y i n g  t o  s a v e  som e t i m e .

Q. (MR. WALKER, c o n t i n u i n g ) : W o u l d  y o u  m i n d  s t a t i n g  w h a t

y o u r  p r e s e n t  s a l a r y  i s ?

A. My p r e s e n t  s a l a r y  i s ,  i f  we d o n ' t  m i s s  a n y  d a y s ,  w o u l d

b e  a  l i t t l e  u n d e r  t h r e e  h u n d r e d  d o l l a r s  a  m o n t h ,  i f  

we d o n ' t  m i s s  a n y  d a y s .

Q. You s a y ,  " w e " ,  y o u  m e a n  y o u r s e l f  a n d  - -

A. T h e r e  a r e  t w o  o f  u s  e m p l o y e d ' .

Q. Y ou  a n d  —•

A. M r s .  M e e k s .

Q. I s  t h a t  b y  t h e  B r i n k l e y  s c h o o l  s y s t e m ?

A. R i g h t ,  t h e  B r i n k l e y  s c h o o l  s y s t e m .

Q. W h a t  k i n d  o f  p r o g r a m  i s  t h a t ?

A. T h a t  i s  b a s i c a l l y  a d u l t  e d u c a t i o n .



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Q. Now what is the duration of your contract with them —  

what period of time?

A. Seven months.

Q . How much does the contract call for over that seven- 

month period?

A. $2,100.00.

Q. And what would have been your salary, to the best of 

your knowledge, in the Wheatley school system had you 

been retained during the current year?

A. Basing it on last year's salary it would have been $5,600.00.

Q. For the '67-68 school year?

A. Yes, sir.

THE COURT: How much?

A. $5,600.00, sir.

Q. (MR. WALKER, continuing:) Now, have you expended any 

amounts of money in looking for new employment, or 

other employment, since your termination?

A. I have.

Q. Would you state to the Court the number of places that 

you have gone to work, and the approximate amounts 

you have spent trying to mitigate damages? Have you 

made some notes about this?

A. I have these.

Q. Would you mind setting them out, please?

A. Forrest City, Wynne, Marianna, Helena, West Memphis,



B r i n M e y ,  C o t t o n  p l a n t ,  M a r i o n ,  E a r l e ,  C r a w f o r d s v i l l e ,  

p a r k i n ,  B l y t h e v i l l e ,  O s c e o l a ,  W i l s o n ,  T u r r e l l ,  M c C r o r y ,  

L o n o k e ,  H a z e n ,  C a r l i s l e ,  P i n e  B l u f f ,  G o u l d ,  D u m as ,

M o ro  a n d  D e W i t t .

W e r e  y o u  s e e k i n g  e m p l o y m e n t  i n  s c h o o l  s y s t e m s ?

Y e s ,  s i r .

I n  t h o s e  c o m m u n i t i e s ?

Y e s ,  s i r .

D i d  y o u  d r i v e  y o u r  own c a r ?

Y e s ,  s i r .

Y ou  h a v e n ' t  m a d e  a  m i l e a g e  c h a r t ,  h a v e  y o u ?

N o ,  s i r ,  n o t  e x a c t l y .  T h e  b e s t  t h i n g  I  c o u l d  g o  b y  

i s  t h e  g a s o l i n e  b i l l s  a t  t h e  e n d  o f  t h e  m o n t h .

H a v e  y o u  a l s o  s p e n t  l a r g e  a m o u n t s  o f  m o n e y  i n  g e t t i n g  

t o  a n d  f r o m  y o u r  p r e s e n t  e m p l o y m e n t  e a c h  d a y  t h a t  y o u  

w o u l d  n o t  h a v e  h a d  t o  e x p e n d  i f  y o u  h a d  b e e n  c o n t i n u e d  

i n  e m p l o y m e n t  b y  t h e  W h e a t l e y  s c h o o l  s y s t e m ?

Y e s ,  s i r .

How f a r  i s  y o u r  p r e s e n t  e m p l o y m e n t  f r o m  y o u r  r e s i d e n c e ?  

S i n c e  my w i f e  d o e s n ' t  d r i v e ,  m a k e s  me s i x t y —t w o  m i l e s  

f r o m  i t .  Now, I  w a n t  y o u  t o  k n o w  my p r e s e n t  e m p l o y m e n t  

i s  t h r e e  b l o c k s  f r o m  my h o u s e .

I  s e e ,  b u t  y o u  h a v e  g o t  t o  t a k e  y o u r  w i f e  t o  w o r k  t h e n  

com e  b a c k  t o  B r i n k l e y ,  o r  W h e a t l e y ,  y o u r s e l f ?

To B r i n k l e y .



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BY MR.

How f a r  i s  y o u r  r e s i d e n c e  f r o m  t h e  W h e a t l e y  s c h o o l s ,  

w h i c h  u s e d  t o  b e  p r e d o m i n a n t l y  w h i t e  s c h o o l s ?

F i v e  m i l e s .

So  t h a t  w o u l d  m e a n  a r o u n d  t r i p  o f  t e n  m i l e s  t o  t h a t  

s c h o o l  a s  o v e r  a g a i n s t  a  r o u n d  t r i p  o f  s i x t y - t w o  m i l e s  

t o  F o r r e s t  C i t y ?

(N o d s  a f f i r m a t i v e . )

M r .  J a c k s o n ,  h a v e  y o u  e n c o u n t e r e d  a n y  f i n a n c i a l  d i s ­

t r e s s  o r  p r o b l e m s  s i n c e  y o u  a n d  y o u r  w i f e  w e r e  

t e r m i n a t e d  b y  t h e  W h e a t l e y  S c h o o l  D i s t r i c t ?

Y e s ,  s i r .

D i d  y o u  h a v e  c o n s i d e r a b l e  f i n a n c i a l  p r o b l e m s  b e f o r e  

y o u  w e r e  t e r m i n a t e d ?

No,  s i r .

W o u l d  y o u  s t a t e  w h e t h e r  y o u r  p r e s e n t  f i n a n c i a l  d i s t r e s s  

h a s  a d i r e c t  r e l a t i o n s h i p  t o  y o u r  t e r m i n a t i o n ?

Y e s ,  s i r .

W o u l d  y o u  k n o w  w h e t h e r  t h i s  w o u l d  b e  m o r e  o r  l e s s  

t r u e ,  t o  t h e  b e s t  o f  y o u r  k n o w l e d g e ,  o f  M r s .  M e e k s  

a n d  a l s o  M r .  C o l e m a n ?

Y e s ,  s i r ,  i t  w o u l d  b e .

MR. WALKER: T h a n k  y o u .

THE COURT: You may p r o c e e d .

CROSS EXAMINATION

BUTLER:

Q. M r.  J a c k s o n ,  how o l d  d i d  y o u  s a y  y o u  w e r e ?



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A .  F i f t y - n i n e .

Q. A nd  w h e r e  d i d  y o u  t e a c h  p r i o r  t o  c o m i n g  t o  M o r o ,

A r k a n s a s ?

A .  M o r o ?

Q. Y e s .

A .  J u n c t i o n  C i t y .

Q. And how  l o n g  w e r e  y o u  t h e r e ?

A. F o u r t e e n  y e a r s .

Q. W h e r e  d i d  y o u  t e a c h  p r i o r  t o  t h a t ?

A. A t l a n t a .

Q. W h e r e ?

A. A t l a n t a ,  A r k a n s a s .

Q. A t l a n t a ,  A r k a n s a s .  And how  l o n g  d i d  y o u  t e a c h  t h e r e ?

A. S e v e n  y e a r s ,  I  t h i n k .

Q. A nd  w h e r e  w e r e  y o u  p r i o r  t o  t h a t ?

A. I  w a s  t h e r e  f r o m  t h e  s t a r t .  I  s t a r t e d  a t  a  l i t t l e

p l a c e  c a l l e d  H a r o l d s b o r o .

Q. And how l o n g  d i d  y o u  t e a c h  t h e r e ?

A .  T h r e e  y e a r s .

Q. Now I  h o l d  h e r e  i n  my h a n d  S t a t e  o f  A r k a n s a s ,

D e p a r t m e n t  o f  E d u c a t i o n  C e r t i f i c a t e  No.  3 4 5 5 3  i s s u e d  

t o  L e e  Roy J a c k s o n  o n  J u l y  1 0 ,  1 9 6 4 ,  e x p i r i n g  J u l y  1 0 ,  

1 9 7 0 ,  s h o w i n g  y o u  a t  t h a t  t i m e  t o  b e  f i f t y - s i x  y e a r s  

o f  a g e  a n d  i t  r e f l e c t s  t h a t  y o u  a r e  c e r t i f i e d  o n  

S o c i a l  S t u d i e s .  I  w o u l d  l i k e  t o  h a n d  y o u  t h i s  a n d



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a s k  y o u  i f  t h i s  i s  y o u r  c e r t i f i c a t e  f r o m  t h e  S t a t e  

D e p a r t m e n t  o f  E d u c a t i o n  o f  t h e  S t a t e  o f  A r k a n s a s ?

T h a t ' s  r i g h t .

W o u l d  y o u  m a k e  t h i s  a n  e x h i b i t  t o  y o u r  t e s t i m o n y  i n  

t h i s  c a s e .

(N o d s  a f f i r m a t i v e . )

MR. WALKER: Y o u r  H o n o r ,  we h a v e  n o  o b j e c t i o n

t o  i t  .

THE COURT: I t  w i l l  b e  r e c e i v e d  f o r  t h e

r e c o r d .

(WHEREUPON, t h e  d o c u m e n t  
d e s c r i b e d  a b o v e  w a s  m a r k e d  
D e f e n d a n t s '  E x h i b i t  N o .  2 f o r  
i d e n t i f i c a t i o n ,  r e c e i v e d  i n  e v i d e n c e  
a n d  m a d e  a p a r t  o f  t h e  r e c o r d  h e r e o f . )

(MR. BUTLER, c o n t i n u i n g ) : Now y o u  a r e  c e r t i f i e d

b y  t h e  S t a t e  D e p a r t m e n t  o f  E d u c a t i o n  o n  S o c i a l  S t u d i e s ,

w h a t  d o e s  t h a t  i n  e f f e c t  s a y  t h a t  y o u  d o  o r  q u a l i f i e d

t o  d o ?

T h a t  s a y s  I  am q u a l i f i e d  t o  t e a c h  s o c i a l  s t u d i e s  i n  

h i g h  s c h o o l .  My d e g r e e  i s  i n  e l e m e n t a r y  e d u c a t i o n .

Now w h e r e  i s  y o u r  d e g r e e  i n  e l e m e n t a r y  e d u c a t i o n ?

Do y o u  h a v e  a  c o p y  o f  t h a t  w i t h  y o u ?

No, s i r ,  i t  i s  s u p p o s e d  t o  b e  i n  t h e  o f f i c e ; t h a t ' s  

w h e r e  t h a t  o n e  w a s ,  t h e  s u p e r i n t e n d e n t ' s  o f f i c e .

You d o n ' t  h a v e  y o u r  d e g r e e  o n  e l e m e n t a r y  e d u c a t i o n  

w i t h  y o u ,  a  c o p y  o f  i t ?

N o ,  s i r .

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Q. And where did you get that degree?

A. Grambling College.

Q. And when did you get it?

A. I think in *51.

Q. Now, social studies means that you are qualified, 

according to the Arkansas Department of Education, 

to teach history, geography and civics, is that right?

A . Yes, sir.

Q. And that is in high school?

A . That's right.

Q. I believe you mentioned awhile ago the names of the 

various superintendents that you worked under at 

Wheatley, and I think you mentioned one as being 

Mr. Randolph; isn't it a matter of fact that was Mr. 

Rudolf Brown, and there never was a Mr. Randolph?

A. That's right.

Q. Rudolf Brown and not Mr. Randolph?

A . That's right.

Q. When you were working at Wheatley Central in 1967-68,

did the school board give the students in the elementary 

grades the freedom of choice in that particular year - 

that is your last year there - freedom of choice?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. At that time, March 1st, 1968, when they sent out these 

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pupils did you have at Wheatley Central?

A. Ninety.

Q. Now, Isn't it true that the return on these requests 

for election under freedom of choice were due at the 

end of March, by April 1st - isn't that correct?

A . That's right.

Q. Do you know how many elected to leave your school and 

go to Wheatley Elementary?

A. Approximately I know, and I know why.

Q. Well, how many were there - I just asked you how many - 

wasn't it sixty?

A. I don't know; the superintendent never did give me the 

exact number.

Q. Wasn't it in the neighborhood of sixty?

A. I couldn't say, he said the majority.

Q. In fact, Mr. Jackson, enough of them elected to transfer 

over to Wheatley Elementary so that it made it impract­

ical for the school district to continue Wheatley 

Central, did it not?

A. Not under the head -- because they couldn't get

them to improve the buildings. They had asked them 

to improve the buildings for their children and 

they didn't do it, and they said that when they 

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i n t e g r a t i o n ,  t h e y  s a i d  we w i l l  j u s t  p u t  i t  a l l  t o g e t h e r .  

T h i s  i s  t h e  o p i n i o n  o f  t h e  f o l k s .

Q. Now, i t  w a s  t e s t i f i e d  h e r e  t h i s  m o r n i n g  b y  M r .  W h e e l e r ,

a n d  y o u  h e a r d  h i s  t e s t i m o n y ,  y o u  w e r e  i n  t h e  c o u r t r o o m ,  

t h a t  o n  M a r c h  1 1 ,  1 9 6 8  -  a n d  t h e  m i n u t e s  o f  t h a t  m e e t i n g  

w e r e  i n t r o d u c e d  f o r  r e c o r d  h e r e  -  t h e  s c h o o l  b o a r d  m e t ,  

a n d  o n  M a r c h  1 1 t h  b e f o r e  t h e y  h a d  t h e  r e s u l t s  o f  t h e  

f r e e d o m  o f  c h o i c e ,  d e c i d e d  t o  r e h i r e  c e r t a i n  t e a c h e r s  

a n d  t e r m i n a t e d  t h e  c o n t r a c t s  o f  o t h e r  t e a c h e r s ,  w h i c h  

i n c l u d e d  y o u ,  M r s .  J a c k s o n  a n d  M r s .  M e e k s .  So i s n ' t  

i t  t r u e  t h a t  t h e  s c h o o l  b o a r d  t o o k  a c t i o n  o n  t e r m i n a t i o r ,  

o f  y o u r  c o n t r a c t s  p r i o r  t o  f i n d i n g  o u t  i t  w a s n ' t  g o i n g  

t o  b e  p r a c t i c a l  t o  c o n t i n u e  t h e  o p e r a t i o n  o f  W h e a t l e y  

C e n t r a l ?

MR. WALKER: Y o u r  H o n o r ,  I  t h i n k  t h e  r e c o r d s

s p e a k  f o r  t h e m s e l v e s .

Q. (MR. BUTLER, c o n t i n u i n g ) : Now, M r .  J a c k s o n ,  d u r i n g

t h e  t e n  o r  e l e v e n  y e a r s  I  b e l i e v e  y o u  t e s t i f i e d  y o u  h a d  

b e e n  a t  W h e a t l e y  w o r k i n g  i n  t h e  W h e a t l e y  C e n t r a l  -  a b o u t  

t e n  o r  e l e v e n  y e a r s ,  i s  t h a t  r i g h t ?

A. E l e v e n  y e a r s .

q . T h a t  w a s  u p  t h r o u g h  t h e  e n d  o f  t h e  s c h o o l  y e a r  1 9 6 8 ?

A. T h a t ' s  r i g h t .

q . it was introduced in the record here this morning,

m i n u t e s  o f  t h e  s c h o o l  b o a r d  o f  A p r i l  1 1 ,  1 9 6 0 ,  i n  w h i c h

JOAN F. LINES 
U n i t e d  s t a t e s  C o u r t  R e p o r t e r  

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it is recorded that several colored citizens met with 

the board and voiced their complaints about L. R. 

Jackson as principal of the colored school. Due 

consideration was given to their complaints but no 

action was taken, it was suggested that Mr. Steele 

study the situation and do what he thought best for the 

school. Were you at that meeting?

A. No, sir,

Q. Did you know about the meeting?

A . No, s i r.

Q. Now we h a v e  a n o t h e r  p l a i n t i f f s '  E x h i b i t  6 ,  M i n u t e s  o f

t h e  B o a r d  M e e t i n g  o f  M a r c h  2 5 ,  1 9 6 4 ,  t h a t  h a s  b e e n

i n t r o d u c e d  i n  t h i s  r e c o r d ,  i n  w h i c h  i t  s t a t e s  t h a t  

" P r o b l e m  on  h a n d  a r e  c o m p l a i n t s  a g a i n s t  M r .  L .  R.  

J a c k s o n . "  D i d  y o u  a t t e n d  t h a t  m e e t i n g ?

A. (Pause)

q . it is an addendum on the minutes of this meeting that

"Mr. Jackson cleared this matter to the satisfaction 

of the board and the matter was dropped." Do you 

recall this particular instance?

A. May I ask what was the matter?

q i don11 know, do you recall this particular instance?

A. No, sir.
MR. WALKER: I think there may be some problem

with the terminology used by the board and also the

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t h e  s a m e  w h e n  u s e d  b y  b o t h  i n  d i f f e r e n t  c o n t e x t .

Q.  (MR. BUTLER, c o n t i n u i n g ) :  I  am m e r e l y  a s k i n g  y o u ,

M r .  J a c k s o n ,  i f  y o u  d i d  a t t e n d  t h e s e  m e e t i n g s ,  o r  i f  

y o u  k n e w  a b o u t  t h e s e  c o m p l a i n t s .  W e r e  t h e y  c a l l e d  t o  

y o u r  a t t e n t i o n  b y  t h e  s u p e r i n t e n d e n t  o f  s c h o o l s ?

A. No,  s i r .

Q. B a c k  a t  t h a t  t i m e ?

A. No,  s i r .

Q.  To y o u r  k n o w l e d g e  h a v e  a n y  o f  t h e  p a t r o n s  o f  t h e

s c h o o l  d i s t r i c t  m a de  c o m p l a i n t s  a b o u t  y o u  a n d  t h e  w ay  

y o u  h a v e  o p e r a t e d  a n d  r u n  t h e  W h e a t l e y  C e n t r a l  S c h o o l ?

A. No,  s i r .

Q.  D u r i n g  t h e  y e a r s  o f  y o u r  t e n u r e  t h e r e ?

A. N o ,  s i r ,  t h e y  h a v e  n o t .

Q. Now y o u  t e s t i f i e d  y o u  f i n a l l y  g o t  a n o t h e r  j o b  a f t e r

y o u r  t e r m i n a t i o n  a t  W h e a t l e y  i n  t h e  s p r i n g  o f  1 9 6 8 ,  

f i n a l l y  g o t  a n o t h e r  j o b  i n  B r i n k l e y  w h e r e  y o u  t e a c h .  

Now, h o w  f a r  i s  t h i s  f r o m  y o u r  r e s i d e n c e ?

A. T h r e e  b l o c k s .

Q. I  b e l i e v e  y o u  a l s o  t e s t i f i e d  t h a t  y o u r  w i f e  o b t a i n e d

a j o b  i n  F o r r e s t  C i t y  S p e c i a l  S c h o o l  D i s t r i c t  # 7 ?

A. That's right.

Q. T e a c h i n g  a t  D e R o s s i t t  E l e m e n t a r y  S c h o o l .  Now y o u  m e an

t o  s a y  t h a t  y o u  d r i v e  h e r  o v e r  a n d  b a c k  e v e r y  d a y ?

J O A N  F. L I N E S
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A . That's right.

Q. When did she obtain her job?

h* Sometime in September, I don't remember the exact date.

Q. She did commence work when the school term began, did

she not, '68-69?

A. I think so, I am not definite.

Q. And she has been over there regularly since then, is

that correct?

A. That's right.

Q- Has she missed many days while she has been there?

A. She hadn't missed too many. Her mother was sick and

the doctor sent for her. I think she missed approxi­

mately fourteen days.

Q. Did she miss many days when she was working under you

at Wheatley Central Elementary School?

A. No, sir, not but one time.

Q. Was she frequently tardy to class?

A. No, sir.

Q. Now you testified a few minutes ago about your opinion

of Mrs. Meeks and Mrs. Jackson, Mr. Coleman, those 

working under you. Do you have a degree in school 

administration, or a degree in supervision, that would 

qualify you to be a supervisor or principal of teachers?

A. What is your question?

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or principal, do you?

No, sir.

I believe you stated that Mrs. Meeks is your sister? 

That's right.

And that she had a fire —  she lived in Brinkley, also, 

didn1t she?

That's right.

How far was her residence from the Wheatley Central 

School?

I call it four miles - that's a rough guess now.

And you were five miles?

That's right. She lived on one side of the town and I 

lived on the other.

Is she working in the Brinkley school system now?

Yes, sir.

How far is her home where she now lives from where she 

now works?

I call it one mile.

In the city limits of Brinkley?

Yes.
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S h e  w a s  b u y i n g  t h e  p r o p e r t y .

Was i t  c o v e r e d  b y  i n s u r a n c e ?

Y e s ,  s i r .

D i d  s h e  r e b u i l d  h e r  h o u s e ,  b u i l d  i t  b a c k ,  o r  b u y  a n o t h e r  

o n e ?

W e l l ,  t h e  c i t y  w o u l d n ' t  l e t  h e r  b u i l d  b a c k  a t  t h a t  

t i m e ,  s o  s h e  h a d  t o  b u y  a n o t h e r  l o t  a n d  w a s  g o i n g  t o  

b u i l d  a h o u s e .

D i d  s h e  b u y  a n o t h e r  h o u s e  w i t h  t h e  i n s u r a n c e  m o n e y ?

N o ,  s i r ,  b e c a u s e  t h e  w a y  s h e  w a s  b u y i n g ,  t h a t  i n s u r a n c e  

w a s  j u s t  t o  c o v e r  t h e  p a y m e n t  o f  t h a t  o n e .

I n  o t h e r  w o r d s ,  i t  p u t  h e r  o u t  o f  d e b t  t h e r e ,  i s  t h a t  

r i g h t ?

T h a t ' s  r i g h t  o n  t h e  h o u s e .

On t h a t  h o u s e ?

T h a t ' s  r i g h t .

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c o m p l a i n t s  t h a t  w e r e  b e i n g  m a d e  t o  t h e  s c h o o l  d i s t r i c t  

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t i o n s  t h a t  s h e  ow ed  c r e d i t o r s ,  w o r r y i n g  t h e m  t o  d e a t h  

a l l  t h e  t i m e ,  y o u  k n o w  a b o u t  t h a t ?

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Q. Did you know about your wife ordering items from school

supply companies that the district dealt with for her 

own personal use and charging them to the district?

A. That never happened.

Q. And you are sure about that?

A. That's right, because I carried her over there.

Q. You carried what over?

A. I carried my wife. She bought materials from the

School Products Company --

Q. But did she buy materials from --

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finishing his answer, I think he should be given the 

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Q. (MR.BUTLER, continuing): Go ahead.

A. She bought materials from the School Products Company

which were charged to her with the understanding that 

she was working for the Wheatley Central School. That 

material was used at school.

Q. But it was charged to the Wheatley School District

wasn1t it?

A. No, sir, it was not.

Q. You know that as a matter of fact?

A. I know that.

q .  Did she purchase anything from suppliers of the Wheatle\

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A. No, sir, she did not.

Q. While Mrs. Meeks was working under you, did you recall

Mr. Frankie Hemingway coming down to the school on 

numerous occasions trying to get her to pay the indebtec 

ness she owed him?

A. Mr. Frank Hemingway never been down.

Q. I mean Mrs. Meeks?

A. I understand who you are talking about.

Q. Did you know about the indebtedness which she owed the

Dixie Furniture company from time to time?

A. Yes, sir, I know about that.

Q. They were after her trying to get her to pay all the

time, you remember that?

A. If that's what they say.

Q. Did you know they bothered the school board about it

and wanted to hold out the funds?

A. Nobody ever told me that.

Q. Did you know about a bill at the Forrest View Clinic

over at Forrest City?

MR. WALKER: Your Honor, may I suggest that

Mr. Butler is asking questions which are not necessarily 

related to facts. He is just asking questions, and I 

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any truth to what he has stated.

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Q. (MR. BUTLER, c o n t i n u i n g ) :  D i d  y o u  k n o w  a b o u t  a  f i n a n c e

c o m p a n y  g a r n i s h i n g  h e r  w a g e s  a n d  a c t u a l l y  t h e  s c h o o l  

b o a r d  a c k n o w l e d g i n g  t h a t  g a r n i s h m e n t  f o r  a b o u t  tw o  

m o n t h s  s a l a r y ?

A. Who was that?

Q. M r s .  M e e k s .

A . No.

Q. D i d n ' t  k n o w  a b o u t  t h a t ?

A. No.

Q. None of the superintendents or anybody connected with

the school system ever talked to you about the debt 

situation of Mrs. Meeks and your wife?

A. Mr. Richardson mentioned it one time.

Q. How much is your take-home pay in your present job per

week, or per month, or however you are paid?

A .  T h e  b i g g e s t  I  h a v e  h a d  i s  $ 2 5 0 . 0 0 .

Q. The biggest y o u  have had is $ 2 5 0 . 0 0 ?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. Take-home pay?

A. Right.

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w h a t  w a s  y o u r  m o n t h l y  t a k e - h o m e  p a y ?

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Q. You  a r e  p o s i t i v e  a b o u t  t h e  b i g  f i g u r e ?

A. Y e s .

Q. D o e s  t h a t  i n c l u d e  d e d u c t i o n s  f o r  i n c o m e  t a x  a n d  e v e r y ­

t h i n g  e l s e  t h a t  c a m e  o u t  b e f o r e  y o u  g o t  y o u r  c h e c k ?

A .  Y e s ,  s i r .

Q.  Now, i n  1 9 6 7 - 6 8  d i d  y o u  g i v e  a n y  t e s t s  t o  t h e  c h i l d r e n

t h a t  y o u  w e r e  t e a c h i n g  i n  W h e a t l e y  C e n t r a l ?

A. N o ,  s i r .  T h e  s u p e r i n t e n d e n t  s e n t  o n e  o f  h i s  t e a c h e r s

down t o  g i v e  s o m e .

Q. And y o u  d i d n ' t  a c t u a l l y  g i v e  t h e  t e s t s  y o u r s e l f ?

A. No,  s i r .

q .  B u t  t e s t s  w e r e  m a d e  o n  t h e  c h i l d r e n  i n  y o u r  c l a s s e s ,

i n  M r s .  M e e k s '  c l a s s e s ,  a n d  a l l  o f  t h e  o t h e r  t e a c h e r s  

t h e r e  i n  W h e a t l e y  C e n t r a l  d u r i n g  1 9 6 7 - 6 8 ,  i s  t h a t  t r u e ?

A. No,  s i r ,  n o t  l i k e  t h a t .

q . How w e r e  t h e y  m a d e ?

A. T h e  t e s t s  w e r e  g i v e n  t h i r d ,  f o u r t h  a n d  f i f t h .  T h e

c o u n s e l o r  cam e  down o n e  m o r n i n g  a n d  s a i d ,  "We a r e  g o i n g  

t o  g i v e  a  t e s t . "  He w a l k e d  i n  w i t h  i t  a n d  a s k e d  me t o  

p u t  t h e  c h i l d r e n  i n t o  t h e  a u d i t o r i u m  a n d  I  d i d .  He 

t a l k e d  w i t h  t h e m  a f e w  m i n u t e s  a n d  s t a r t e d  g i v i n g  t h e m  

t h e  t e s t s .

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Q. Now who taught the third grade during '67-68?

A. Mrs. Jackson.

Q- Your wife?

A. Yes, sir.

Q- Who taught the fourth grade?

A. Mr. Coleman.

Q- And what grade did you teach?

A. Fifth.

Q. And were you present when these tests were given?

A. Yes, sir.

Q- The records I have here indicate they were given

April 19, 1968, is that about right, the spring of the 

year?

A. Somewhere like that.

Q. But you did not supervise the tests?

A. I was in there.

Q. You were there while they were giving them and present

when they gave them?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. What did these tests show in regard to the children in

these particular grades? Were they below average or 

above?

A. When they got through the counselor, Mr. -- what was

his name -- anyhow, he gathered up the tests and left 

with them and that is the last I know of them.

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A .  No,  s i r .

Q.  Now, M r .  J a k c s o n ,  y o u  w e r e  n o t i f i e d  a p p a r e n t l y  s o m e t i m e

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d e f i n i t e  d a t e .

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A p r i l  2 9 t h ?

A .  T h a t ' s  r i g h t .

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M r s .  J a c k s o n ,  o r  M r .  C o l e m a n ,  t o  y o u r  k n o w l e d g e ,  m a de  

f o r m a l  a p p l i c a t i o n  t o  b e  r e h i r e d  b y  t h e  W h e a t l e y  S c h o o l  

D i s t r i c t ?

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n e e d e d  a n y b o d y  we w o u l d  b e  c o n s i d e r e d .  I  d i d n ' t  s e e  

a n y  u s e  i n  m a k i n g  n o n e .

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t h e  p r o c e d u r e  t h a t  i s  f o l l o w e d  t h o u g h  t o  b e  h i r e d  i n  t h e  

s c h o o l  s y s t e m ,  y o u  h a v e  t o  f i l e  a n  a p p l i c a t i o n ?

A. N o t  w h e r e  y o u  a r e  a l r e a d y  e m p l o y e d .

Q. You w e r e  n o  l o n g e r  e m p l o y e d ?

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Q. You testified a few minutes ago about going all over

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formal application with references at all these places?

A. Yes, sir, I had to, but I didn't at all of those for

the reason as late as it was I would check a place, 

they would have already employed their staff for the 

year, and they had no vacancies so it was no use in 

filing an application, I found that out.

Q. Did you go to all these places by automobile?

A. Yes, sir, and then some.

q . Or did you have correspondence, before you went?

A. I actually went.

q . In other words, you took it upon yourself to go see

them even before formally applying, is that correct?

A. That's right.

Q. Did you file a formal application at any of these

places ?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. Where?

A. I have filed with Mr. Irving, back there, he's got one

in his office.

Q. Can you say how many others were there?

j would have to go check my list. I have one in Little

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I would have to check these, I have a lot of them 

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Q. What is the trouble, had no openings for you?

A. They had no openings.

Q. When did you start trying to get a job at one of these

other places, when did you commence?

A. After we had the meeting.

Q. On A p r i l  2 9 t h ?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. You began at that time?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. Mrs. Jackson did not have any trouble getting a place,

did she?

A. Oh, yes, yes, sir, she had trouble too. She had filed

several applications.

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y e a r  1 9 6 8 - 6 9 ?

A. Yes, sir.

q . Now about Mr. Coleman, who was working with you and

under you there, what type of degree did he have?

A. Mr. Coleman has a BS degree. Theology.

q . Theology?

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i n  o r d e r  t o  c o n t i n u e  a s  a n  e l e m e n t a r y  t e a c h e r  a t  t h e  

e n d  o f  t h e  s c h o o l  y e a r  1 9 6 7 - 6 8 ?

A .  I  don't t h i n k  s o .

Q. Do you know?

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a v a l i d  c e r t i f i c a t e .

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Q. You a r e  r e a s o n a b l y  c e r t a i n  t h a t  t h e  t e s t s  t h a t  w e r e

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Somewhere along there.

Do you know what the names of those tests were? Could 

it have been Stanford-Binet?

I think it was California.

California Mental Maturity?

Yes.
Do you know what the California Mental Maturity tests, 

or whatever other test there was, purported to measure? 

No, I don't.
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No, sir.

What was the race of the counselor?

White.

What was the race of the persons who graded those tests 

do you know?

I don't know anybody ever graded them, I didn't hear 

that. Once he gave them and he left, and I haven't 

seen or heard of them.

Do you know whether all the pupils were tested in the 

same place? Or were they tested in individual class­

rooms?

A. All at the same place.

Q. All in the same place?

A. Yes.

Q. In other words, there was just one big room?

A. That's right.

Q. Do you know anything about testing , Mr. Jackson?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. Is this a desirable manner in which to administer

test, according to your information?

No, sir.
Are you familiar with the concept of testing readiness? 

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That I think, would you agree, deals with a matter of

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Q.  W h a t  r e a d i n e s s  p r e p a r a t i o n  w a s  u n d e r t a k e n  b y  t h e

c o u n s e l o r  b e f o r e  h e  p r e p a r e d  t h e  t e s t  o t h e r  t h a n  t o  

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t e s t ?

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b e g a n  t h e  t e s t s .

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M r .  J a c k s o n ?

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r e l e a s e  y o u  a n d  M r s .  M e e k s  a n d  M r s .  J a c k s o n  o n  M a r c h  11 ,  

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g i v e n ,  i s  t h a t  c o r r e c t ?

A. From your records.

MR. WALKER: T h a n k  y o u .

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q Mr. Jackson, do you recall the tests in September, 1 9 6 7 ,

called the California Achievement Test Elementary?

Do you recall a counselor coming over and giving some 

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t e s t s  a b o u t  o n c e  a  y e a r ,  d i d  t h e y  n o t ?

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o v e r l o o k e d  i t .  As I  r e c a l l  o n l y  o n e  y e a r  t h e y  h a d  a 

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A. I  am n o t  t h i n k i n g  r i g h t  n o w .  I  m i g h t  h a v e .

MR. BUTLER: I  b e l i e v e  t h a t  i s  a l l .

MR. WALKER: No m o r e  q u e s t i o n s .

EXAMINATION BY THE COURT

Q. Mr. Jackson, you testified that you are working in

Binkley?

A. Yes, sir.

q . Are you in the teaching business there?

A. Yes, sir, basic adult education.

Q. What?

A. Basic adult education.

Q. You are not in elementary?

A. No,  s i r .  T h a t ' s  e l e m e n t a r y ,  b u t  i t  i s  a d u l t s  i n s t e a d

o f  c h i l d r e n .  You u n d e r s t a n d  me now ? i n  o t h e r  w o r d s ,  

w h a t  I  am t e a c h i n g ,  J u d g e ,  i s  f r o m  t h e  e i g h t h  g r a d e  

b a c k .  F r o m  t h e  1 s t  g r a d e  t o  t h e  e i g h t h ,  l e t  me s a y  i t  

l i k e  t h a t .

Q. To adults?

A. To a d u l t s  a n d  n o t  c h i l d r e n .

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Q. But you are teaching elementary?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. T h a t  i s  1 s t  g r a d e  t o  t h e  e i g h t h  g r a d e ?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. D i d  I  u n d e r s t a n d  y o u r  s a l a r y  w a s  $ 3 0 0 . 0 0  a m o n t h ?

A. Y e s ,  s i r ,  i f  we d o n ' t  m i s s  a n y  d a y s .  We d o n ' t  g e t  a n y

p a y  f o r  t h e  d a y s  we m i s s .  And t h a t  i s  a l l  b e f o r e  t h e  

t a x  c o m e s  c u t .

Q. You s t i l l  g e t  $ 3 0 0 . 0 0  a  m o n t h  b a s e d  o n  y o u r  c o n t r a c t ?

A. Yes.

Q. I t  i s  n o t  c l e a r  t o  me a b o u t  M r s .  M e e k s ,  y o u r  s i s t e r .

When y o u  m e n t i o n e d  i t  a  m o m e n t  a g o  y o u  s a i d  y o u  a n d  

M r s .  M e e k s  w e r e  t e a c h i n g  i n  B r i n k l e y .  S h e  i s  t e a c h i n g  

t h e r e  a t  B r i n k l e y ,  t o o ?

A. Yes, sir, on the same job.

Q. What is her salary?

A. The same thing.

Q. I n  o t h e r  w o r d s ,  s h e  g e t s  $ 3 0 0 . 0 0  a m o n t h  o n  t h e  c o n t r a c t

a n d  y o u  g e t  a b o u t  $ 3 0 0 . 0 0 ?

A. That's right.

Q. I wanted to clear that up.

THE COURT: A n y t h i n g  f u r t h e r ,  G e n t l e m e n ?  You

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Q. W o u l d  y o u  s t a t e  y o u r  n a m e ,  a n d  y o u r  p r e s e n t  o c c u p a t i o n

a n d  y o u r  a d d r e s s ,  p l e a s e ?

A .  M a r v i n  E d w a r d  C o l e m a n ,  3 1 3  E a s t  c e n t e r ,  B r i n k l e y .  I  am

a l s o  l i v i n g  i n  L i t t l e  R o c k ,  a n d  w o r k i n g  t h e r e .  And I  

am t e a c h i n g  a s s i s t a n t .

Q. A t  w h a t  i n s t i t u t i o n  o r  p l a c e  o f  l e a r n i n g  a r e  y o u  t e a c h ­

i n g  o r  a s s i s t i n g ?

A .  A r k a n s a s  E n t e r p r i s e s  f o r  t h e  B l i n d  i n  L i t t l e  R o c k .

Q. What is your monthly salary there?

A. $ 3 5 0 . 0 0 .

Q. Per month before taxes?

A. Y e s ,  s i r .

Q. I s  t h a t  a  c o n t r a c t  f o r  $ 4 , 2 0 0 . 0 0  p e r  y e a r ?

A. Right.

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s c h o o l  y e a r ?

A. $ 4 , 8 0 0 . 0 0 .

Q. $ 4 , 8 0 0 . 0 0 .

A. Right, sir.

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School District, and if so, would you enumerate them, 

please?

A. I have plenty of them. I have to pay as much on room

rent as I pay on my house, my home in Brinkley, per 

month, and my transportation. I have to come home 

every week to see about my mail. i think that is 

sufficient. I hope you understand me, Mr. Walker, I 

tend to stutter sometimes. Can you understand me?

Q. Yes, I can understand you. Now, Mr. Coleman, you need

not be nervous. Would you mind stating whether you 

sought employment at a number of places before you 

finally obtained employment at the Arkansas Enterprises 

for the Blind?

A. I did, sir. Shall I name them?

Q. Would you name some of them?

A. The Arkansas Employment Security offices in Brinkley,

Forrect City. I would like to say I went to Forrest 

City nearly every other day. Little Rock and the state 

agencies. The Arkansas Merit System, The Arkansas 

Personnel, Arkansas Training Schools, all these were in 

Little Rock. The district public schools in Moro,

Aubrey, Marianna, and federal agencies; and the counties 

St. Francis, Osceola, Woodruff County, Lee, over there, 

Phillips County, Monroe County, and the Ozarks Develop­

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Q- Did you have to expend large sums of money getting to

and from these places?

A. Yes, sir, quite a bit.

Q. What is your education, sir?

A. I have a Bachelor of Theology with teachers training,

and five hours of graduate work.

Q. Would you tell the Court how you obtained your college

education, please?

A. Well, I did it while I was in the military service.

In fact I went in for that purpose.

Q. Would you mind telling us what institutions you receivec

credit in, and how much you received where, and the 

emphasis to the number of hours you have in education?

A. I have seventeen and I am working on a one-hour course

now. I will have my requirement when I get it completes. 

And I attended some - for example, Brigham Young 

University, State University of Iowa, University of 

Washington, and wherever I was on duty.

Q. You were in the military services?

A. Six and a half years.

Q. Were you certified by the State Department of Education

as an elementary school teacher?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. What kind of certificate did you have?

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Q. What is meant by a five-year certificate?

A .  I t  w a s  t o  b e  r e n e w e d  a f t e r  f i v e  y e a r s .

Q. Now was there some requirement that you were to meet

in order to be eligible for a six-year certificate?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. What was that requirement?

A. I would have to do twelve semester hours of graduate

work.

Q. Additional educational work?

A. It won't have to be in education since I took teacher's

training, I have the hours in education.

Q. Do you have a Bachelor's Degree in the hours of

education?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. C o u l d  y o u  h a v e  t a k e n  t h o s e  t w e l v e  a d d i t i o n a l  h o u r s

d u r i n g  t h e  su m m e r  o f  1 9 6 8 ?

A. Yes, sir, I could have, although I wouldn't prefer to,

to doing that many in one summer, I would like to do it 

in two summers.

Q. But you could have done it, if necessary?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. Did you ever state this to Mr. Richardson?

A. Yes, sir.

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school system?

A. Not definitely, no, sir.

Q. Do you recall what Mr. Richardson stated to you about

your termination?

A .  He said that the board agreed not to rehire me.

Q. Did he state a reason?

A. No, sir.

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CROSS EXAMINATION

BY MR. BUTLER:

Q. Mr. Coleman, when did you first begin teaching in

Wheatley Central Elementary School?

A .  1 9 5 6 ,  I  b e l i e v e ,  s i r .

Q. At that time I believe you stated you had a degree in

Theology?

A. No, sir, not at that time.

Q. Not at that time?

A. No, sir.

Q. When did you get that degree in Theology?

A. 1 9 6 1 .

Q. Where did you obtain it?

A. Burgen College and Seminary in Colorado.

Q. Did you also, when you were in Colorado, undertake

some courses in automechanics?

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Q. Do you have the certificate that was issued to you from

the State of Colorado?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. Have you got that with you here today?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. Would you mind letting me see that please?

A. Not at all. (Handing to Mr. Butler.)

Q. This certificate indicates that the State of Colorado

issued you a Vocational Teacher's Certificate, September 

7 ,  1 9 6 2 ,  in automechanics?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. And that is correct?

A. Yes, sir, that is correct.

q . Now w e r e  y o u  a w a y  f r o m  W h e a t l e y  c e n t r a l  E l e m e n t a r y

S c h o o l  f o r  a  w h i l e  b e t w e e n  1 9 5 6  a n d  1 9 6 2 ?

A. Yes, sir, three years.

Q. When did you come back?

A .  I  t h i n k  i t  w a s  1963  w h e n  I  b e g a n  w o r k i n g  a g a i n  t h e r e .

Q. Now at that time you had the ninety-hour elementary

permit from the State of Arkansas, issued on May 1 3 ,

1 9 6 3 ,  t o  e x p i r e  May 1 3 ,  1 9 6 8 ,  i s  t h a t  t r u e ?

A. That is right, sir.

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I  w a n t  t o  m a k e  i t  a n  e x h i b i t  t o  y o u r  t e s t i m o n y ,

A. T h a t  i s  c o r r e c t ,  s i r ,

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h o u r  e l e m e n t a r y  p e r m i t ,  t h a t  w a s  i s s u e d  t o  y o u  o n  

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D e p a r t m e n t  o f  E d u c a t i o n  o f  A r k a n s a s ,  w h i c h  s h o w s  o n  i t  

d e f i c i e n c i e s  o f  s i x  s e m e s t e r  h o u r s ,  a n d  y o u  n e e d  s o m e  

n e w  c r e d i t s ,  a n d  t h e y  o n l y  i s s u e d  y o u  a p e r m i t  f o r  o n e  

y e a r .  Why j u s t  f o r  o n e  y e a r ?

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m a t h e m a t i c s  i s  a  l i t t l e  o f f .  I  t h i n k  i t  i s  l e s s  t h a n  

o n e  y e a r .

Q. (MR. BUTLER, c o n t i n u i n g ) : I t  i s  l e s s  t h a n  o n e  y e a r ,

t h a t  i s  t r u e .  B u t  w hy  f o r  j u s t  o n e  y e a r ,  o r  l e s s  t h a n  

o n e  y e a r ?

A .  T h e  s c h o o l  t e r m  d i d  n o t  e x p i r e  u n t i l  a b o u t  t h e  2 5 t h  a n d

my c e r t i f i c a t e  w a s  e x p i r i n g  o n  t h e  1 3 t h  a n d  t h e y  c o u l d  

n o t  p a y  me l e g a l l y ,  t h a t  i s  w h y .

Q. C o u l d n ' t  t h e y  h a v e  g i v e n  y o u  a n o t h e r  f i v e - y e a r  p e r m i t

i f  y o u  h a d  b e e n  q u a l i f i e d  f o r  i t ?

A .  I  h a d  t o  g o  t o  s c h o o l .

Q. T h a t  i s  n o t  w h a t  I  am s a y i n g .  I f  y o u  w e r e  a l r e a d y

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t o  a n o t h e r  f i v e - y e a r  p e r m i t ?

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c h a n g e d  t o  n i n e t y  h o u r s , i t  i s  n o t  t h e  s a m e  t h i n g ,  I  

u s e  t h e  o l d  t e r m  s o m e t i m e s .

Q. W h a t  d o e s  t h i s  o n  y o u r  p e r m i t  i s s u e d  May 2 ,  1 9 5 8 ,

r e g a r d i n g  s i x  s e m e s t e r  h o u r  d e f i c i e n c i e s ,  d u e  c r e d i t ,  

w h a t  d o e s  t h a t  m e a n ?

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Q. And you didn't go to school last summer did you?

A .  W e l l ,  y e s ,  s i r .

Q. D i d  y o u  g o  t o  s c h o o l  d u r i n g  t h e  s u m m e r  o f  1 9 6 8 ?

A. Y e s ,  s i r .

Q. Did you get that six semester hours?

A. I  h a v e  a n o t h e r  c e r t i f i c a t e ,  y e s ,  s i r .

Q. When did you get the other certificate?

A. Let me see, let me tell you the truth about it. The

lady in the Department of Education knew how the board 

was doing me and she renewed my certificate.

q . At t h e  t i m e  y o u  w e r e  n o t i f i e d  b y  t h e  b o a r d  a t  W h e a t l e y

i n  M a r c h  o r  A p r i l ,  1 9 6 8 ,  t h a t  t h e y  w o u l d  t e r m i n a t e  y o u r  

c o n t r a c t  b e c a u s e  o f  t h e  u n c e r t a i n t y  o f  w h e t h e r  y o u  c o u l c  

b e  c e r t i f i e d ,  y o u  w e r e n ' t  c e r t i f i e d  a t  t h a t  t i m e ,  a n d  

y o u  s t i l l  h a d  t h i s  w o r k  t o  m a k e  u p ,  i s n ' t  t h a t  t r u e ?

A. No, sir, I have been certified a l l  the time.

Q. But didn't you stand not being recertified if you

d i d n ' t  d o  t h i s  w o r k  i n  t h e  s u m m e r  o f  1 9 6 8 ,  t a k e  t h e  

s i x  h o u r s  c r e d i t ?

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That was what I was trying to get you to say. May I 

make these two certificates, copies of them, exhibits 

to your testimony?

Yes, sir.

MR. WALKER: No objections.

THE COURT: Let them be received.

(WHEREUPON, D e f e n d a n t s '  E x h i b i t  
N o .  3 a n d  N o .  4 w e r e  m a r k e d  f o r  
i d e n t i f i c a t i o n ,  r e c e i v e d  i n  e v i d e n c e ,  
a n d  m a d e  a  p a r t  o f  t h e  r e c o r d  h e r e o f . )

Yes, sir.

MR. BUTLER: I  b e l i e v e  t h a t  i s  a l l .

REDIRECT EXAMINATION

BY MR. WALKER:

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Were you ever given any notice to the effect before 

you were terminated that you had these deficiencies and 

that you would not be issued a contract because you did 

have those deficiencies?

No, no, no, no, sir.

They never gave you an opportunity before you were 

terminated to explain the deficiencies and take steps 

to correct them?

They never mentioned the deficiencies.

They never mentioned them?

No, sir.

Did you converse with Mr. Richardson about your work as

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a  t e a c h e r  o n  a n y  o c c a s i o n ?

o h ' y e s ,  s i r .  I  t o l d  h i m  a b o u t  my p l a n  t o  a t t e n d  

H a r d i n g  C o l l e g e .

Q. T e l l  t h e  J u d g e  a b o u t  y o u r  p l a n  t o  a t t e n d  H a r d i n g  C o l l e g e

w o u l d  y o u ,  p l e a s e ?

A. H a r d i n g  h a d  a c c e p t e d  a l l  t h e  w o r k  t h a t  I  d i d  w h i l e  I
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w a s  i n  m i l i t a r y  s e r v i c e  a n d  h a d  a d m i t t e d  me t o  t h e  

g r a d u a t e  s c h o o l .

Q. W h a t  w a s  t h e  r e a s o n  y o u  d i d n ' t  g o  t o  H a r d i n g  C o l l e g e

l a s t  s u m m e r ?

A. I  w e n t  s u m m e r  b e f o r e  l a s t .

Q. W e l l ,  w h a t  a b o u t  l a s t  s u m m e r?

A. A f t e r  I  d i d n ' t  h a v e  a  j o b  i  c o u l d n ' t  s p a r e  t h e  m o n e y .

I  h a d  t o  k e e p  my m o n e y ,  y o u  k n o w ,  t o  l i v e  o n .

MR. WALKER: T h a n k  y o u .

EXAMINATION BY THE COURT

Q. A r e  y o u  d o i n g  t e a c h i n g  w o r k  f o r  t h e  A r k a n s a s  E n t e r p r i s e s

f o r  t h e  B l i n d ?

A .  Y e s ,  s i r .

Q. I s  t h a t  t h e  k i n d  o f  e d u c a t i o n a l  s e r v i c e  t h a t  r e q u i r e s

a  c e r t i f i c a t e  f r o m  t h e  D e p a r t m e n t  o f  e d u c a t i o n  a s  t h o u g t  

y o u  w e r e  t e a c h i n g  i n  t h e  p u b l i c  s c h o o l s ?

A. No,  s i r ,  a l l  t h i s  a g e n c y  r e q u i r e s  i s  y o u r  t r a n s c r i p t .

T h e y  h a v e  my t r a n s c r i p t  o n  f i l e .

THE COURT: V e r y  w e l l ,  y o u  may b e  e x c u s e d .

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MR.WALKER: We h a v e  n o  m o r e  w i t n e s s e s .

MR. BUTLER: Y o u r  H o n o r ,  I  w o u l d  l i k e  t o  c a l l

M r s .  J a c k s o n .

WHEREUPON,

MRS. M ITTIE  JACKSON, a  p l a i n t i f f  i n  t h e  c a s e ,  w a s  c a l l e d  

o n  b e h a l f  o f  t h e  D e f e n d a n t s ,  b e i n g  d u l y  s w o r n ,  t e s t i f i e d  

a s  f o l l o w s :

DIRECT EXAMINATION

BY MR. BUTLER:

Q. M r s .  J a c k s o n ,  w h e r e  d i d  y o u  g e t  o r  o b t a i n  e m p l o y m e n t  i n

s c h o o l  t e a c h i n g  f o r  t h e  s c h o o l  y e a r  1 9 6 8 - 6 9 ?

A. I n  t h e  F o r r e c t  C i t y  D i s t r i c t .

Q.  T e a c h i n g  a t  w h a t  s c h o o l s ?

A .  A t  t h e  D e r o s s i t t  E l e m e n t a r y  s c h o o l .

Q .  When d i d  y o u  c o m m e n c e  y o u r  d u t i e s  t h e r e ?

A. B a c k  a t  t h e  b e g i n n i n g  o f  t h e  s c h o o l  t e r m  s o m e w h e r e  i n

t h e  l a t t e r  p a r t  o f  A u g u s t .  I  am n o t  t o o  s u r e  o f  t h e  

d a t e .

q . Do y o u  r e c a l l  w h e n  y o u  s i g n e d  y o u r  c o n t r a c t  w i t h  t h e

F o r r e s t  C i t y  S p e c i a l  S c h o o l  D i s t r i c t  N o .  7?

A. N o t  e x a c t l y  t h e  d a t e ,  b u t  i t  w a s  s o m e t i m e  i n  t h e  e a r l y

p a r t  o f  t h e  s c h o o l  t e r m .

Q. D i d  y o u  c o m m e n c e  t e a c h i n g  t h e r e  t h e  f i r s t  d a y  o f  s c h o o l ?

A. Y e s ,  s i r ,  I  d i d .

Q. And y o u  a r e  s t i l l  t e a c h i n g  t h e r e  n o w ?

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Q. How m u c h  w e r e  y o u  e a r n i n g  w h e n  y o u  w o r k e d  l a s t  y e a r

t h a t  y o u  t a u g h t  a t  W h e a t l e y  C e n t r a l  E l e m e n t a r y  S c h o o l ?

A. $ 5 , 5 0 0 . 0 0  f o r  t e n  m o n t h s .

Q. W h a t  d i d  t h a t  a m o u n t  t o  i n  t a k e - h o m e  p a y  a  m o n t h ?

A. I  am n o t  t o o  s u r e ,  b u t  my m o n t h l y  t a k e - h o m e  p a y  w a s

a r o u n d  f o u r  s o m e t h i n g ,  e x a c t l y  I  am n o t  t o o  s u r e ,  I  

j u s t  d o n ' t  r e m e m b e r  r i g h t  n o w .

Q. D i d  y o u  a n d  D r .  J a c k s o n  f i l e  a  j o i n t  i n c o m e  t a x  r e t u r n ?

A .  Y e s ,  s i r .  And I  c o u l d  g e t  t h a t  i n f o r m a t i o n  f o r  t h e

r e c o r d s  f r o m  t h e  i n c o m e  t a x ,  b u t  r i g h t  now I  d o n ' t  h a v e  

i t .

Q .  I n  y o u r  c o n t r a c t  w i t h  t h e  F o r r e s t  C i t y  S p e c i a l  S c h o o l

D i s t r i c t  N o .  7 w h a t  i s  y o u r  c o m p e n s a t i o n ?

A. I  b e l i e v e  i t  i s  $ 5 , 4 0 0 . 0 0 .  T h e r e  i s  a  c l a u s e  som e

p l a c e  a b o u t  n e w  m o n e y  o f  a b o u t  $ 2 0 0 . 0 0 ;  I  am n o t  t o o  

s u r e  o n  t h a t  r i g h t  n o w ,  b u t  a n y w a y  t h a t  i s  - -

Q . When we t o o k  y o u r  d i s c o v e r y  d e p o s i t i o n  o n  F e b r u a r y  2 8 ,

1 9 6 9 ,  w h a t  d i d  y o u  t e s t i f y  a t  t h a t  t i m e  w a s  y o u r  s a l a r y  

a t  F o r r e s t  C i t y  S p e c i a l  S c h o o l  D i s t r i c t  N o .  7?

MR. WALKER: I f  h e  h a s  som e i n f o r m a t i o n  on  i t ,

I  s u g g e s t  h e  r e f e r  i t  t o  h e r .  T h e  d e p o s i t i o n  s p e a k s  

f o r  i t s e l f .

Q.  [MR. BUTLER, c o n t i n u i n g ) :  I  a s k e d  y o u  t h e  q u e s t i o n ,

" W h a t  i s  y o u r  p a y  p r i o r  t o  d e d u c t i o n s ? "  And y o u r  a n s w e r

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w a s , " $ 4 0 0 . 0 0  i s  my t a k e  h o m e  p a y . "  I s  t h a t  a b o u t  

c o r r e c t ,  t h a t  y o u r  t a k e  home p a y  w a s  $ 4 0 0 . 0 0 ?

A .  I  b e l i e v e  I  s t a t e d  s o m e w h e r e  a r o u n d  $ 4 0 0 . 0 0  —  I  t h i n k

t h i s  w a s  —  I  d o n ' t  k n o w ,  I  t h i n k  i t  w a s  l e s s  som e t i m e s

MRoWALKER: May I  a s k  w h a t  p a g e  y o u  a r e  r e a d i n g

f r o m  n o w .

THE COURT: Now l e t  M r .  B u t l e r  p r o c e e d  w i t h  h i s

e x a m i n a t i o n .

MR. BUTLER: I  w a s  r e a d i n g  f r o m  p a g e  n u m b e r  9 .

A .  S h a l l  I  g o  o n  now ?

Q. (MR. BUTLER, c o n t i n u i n g ) : W h a t  i s  y o u r  t a k e - h o m e  p a y  a t

F o r r e s t  C i t y ?

A .  I  b e l i e v e  i t  i s  $ 3 0 0 . 0 0  a n d  s o m e t h i n g ,  a r o u n d  $ 4 0 0 . 0 0 ,

b u t  i t  i s  a  l i t t l e  l e s s  t h a n  $ 4 0 0 . 0 0 ,  I  am n o t  t o o  s u r e .

Q. A r e  y o u  p a i d  o n  a  d i f f e r e n t  b a s i s  a t  F o r r e s t .  C i t y

S c h o o l  D i s t r i c t  N o .  7 ,  t h a n  y o u  w e r e  a t  W h e a t l e y ?

A .  W o u l d  y o u  s t a t e  y o u r  q u e s t i o n  a g a i n ,  p l e a s e ?

Q. A r e  y o u  p a i d  on  a  d i f f e r e n t  b a s i s ?  I n  o t h e r  w o r d s ,

i s  y o u r  a n n u a l  p a y  s p r e a d  o v e r  m o r e  m o n t h s  i n  t h e  

F o r r e s t  C i t y  S p e c i a l  S c h o o l  D i s t r i c t  N o .  7 ,  t h a n  i t  

w a s  a t  W h e a t l e y ?

A. Y e s ,  s i r ,  i t ' s  o v e r  a  p e r i o d  o f  e l e v e n  m o n t h s .

Q. I s n ' t  i t  t r u e  t h a t  y o u r  m o n t h l y  p a y m e n t s  b e f o r e

d e d u c t i o n s  a r e  $ 4 9 0 . 9 0  a  m o n t h ?

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U n i t e d  S t a t e s  C o u r t  R e p o r t e r  

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A .  I  b e l i e v e  s o ,  y e s ,  s i r .

Q.  A nd  a  t o t a l  o f  $ 5 , 6 0 0 . 0 0  a  y e a r ?

A .  I  b e l i e v e  t h a t  i s  i t .  T h a n k  y o u  f o r  h e l p i n g  m e .

Q .  Now, M r s .  J a c k s o n ,  w h e n  y o u  w e r e  t e a c h i n g  a t  W h e a t l e y

C e n t r a l  E l e m e n t a r y  w e r e  y o u  o u t  o f  s c h o o l  a  g o o d  d e a l ?

A. N o ,  t h e  o n l y  t i m e  I  w a s  o u t  o f  s c h o o l  I  b e l i e v e  i t  w a s

a r o u n d  t h i r t y  d a y s .  My m o t h e r  h a d  a h e a r t  a t t a c k  a n d  

w a s  v e r y  s i c k ,  a n d  i t  w a s  s u g g e s t e d  t h a t  I  s h o u l d  com e  

i m m e d i a t e l y ,  b e c a u s e  I  w a s  t h e  o n l y  s i s t e r  t h a t  i s  a w a y .

Q- As a  m a t t e r  o f  f a c t ,  f r o m  t i m e  t o  t i m e  y o u  w o u l d  b e

a w a y  f r o m  t i m e  t o  t i m e ?

A .  N e v e r ,  n e v e r ,  I  h a v e  n e v e r  b e e n  a w a y  f r o m  s c h o o l .  N o t

e v e n  f o r  i l l n e s s  m y s e l f ,  I  h a v e  n e v e r  h a d  a c o l d  on  t h e  

j  o b .

Q. How o l d  a r e  y o u ?

A .  I  am f o r t y - f i v e .

Q. H a v e  y o u  e v e r  d r i v e n  a n  a u t o m o b i l e ?

A. Y e s ,  I  h a v e  som e  t i m e  b a c k .

Q. Why d o n ' t  y o u  d r i v e  now?

A .  W e l l ,  o u r  c a r  i s n ' t  t o o  g o o d  a n d  we h a v e  t o  s h a r e  t h e

s a m e  c a r .

Q.  Y o u r  h u s b a n d  o n l y  h a s  t o  w a l k  t h r e e  b l o c k s  t o  h i s  j o b ,

d o e s n ' t  h e ?

A. Y e s ,  s i r ,  I  g u e s s  s o .  I t ' s  a r o u n d  t h a t .

Q.  D o e s  h e  d r i v e  y o u  b a c k  a n d  f o r t h  t o  t h e  D e R o s s i t  S c h o o l ,

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e v e r y  d a y ?

A .  Y e s ,  h e  t a k e s  me o v e r  a n d  h e  c o m e s  b a c k  a n d  w o r k s  a n d

h e  c o m e s  t o  p i c k  me u p  i n  t h e  a f t e r n o o n .

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F o r r e s t  C i t y  S c h o o l  D i s t r i c t  N o .  7 ?  H a v e  y o u  e v e r -  

d r i v e n  o v e r  t h e r e  a n y  y o u r s e l f ?

A .  N o ,  s i r ,  I  h a v e n ' t .

Q.  A ny  o t h e r  p e o p l e  f r o m  B r i n k l e y ,  o r  t h a t  a r e a ,  w o r k  o v e r

i n  t h e  F o r r e s t  C i t y  S c h o o l  s y s t e m ?

A. I  w o u l d n ' t  k n o w .

Q. A r e  y o u  t h e  o n l y  o n e ?

A. I  w o u l d n ' t  k n o w .

Q. Y ou  k n o w  o f  a n y o n e  e l s e ?

A. I  d o n ' t  k n o w .

Q. Now s i n c e  y o u  h a v e  b e e n  a t  F o r r e s t  C i t y  S c h o o l  D i s t r i c t

N o .  7 ,  h a v e  y o u  b e e n  o u t  o f  s c h o o l  a  g o o d  d e a l  t h e r e ?

A. O n l y  t w e l v e  d a y s .  A g a i n ,  my m o t h e r  w a s  r e a l  s i c k  t h i s

p a s t  —  I  b e l i e v e  i t  w a s  i n  t h e  e a r l y  p a r t  o f  F e b r u a r y .  

T h i s  t i m e  s h e  h a d  a  h e a r t  a t t a c k  o r  s o m e t h i n g .  T h i s  

t i m e  s h e  h a d  a n o t h e r  h e a r t  a t t a c k ,  a n d  i t  w a s  k i n d  o f  

t h o u g h t  t h i s  w a s  t h e  e n d ,  a n d  I  w a s  a s k e d  t o  c o m e .

Q .  W h e r e  d o e s  y o u r  m o t h e r  l i v e ?  W h e r e  d o e s  s h e  l i v e ?

A .  S h e  l i v e s  i n  F l i n t ,  M i c h i g a n .

Q. When d i d  s h e  h a v e  h e r  f i r s t  o n e ?

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h o l i d a y ,  n o t  t h i s  p a s t  D e c e m b e r ,  b u t  t h e  D e c e m b e r  b e f o r e

Q. You w e r e  s t i l l  t e a c h i n g  i n  W h e a t l e y  C e n t r a l  t h e n ?

A .  Y e s ,  s i r ,  b u t  I  d i d n ' t  h a v e  t o  g o  u n t i l  s o m e t i m e  i n

J a n u a r y  a f t e r  t h e  s c h o o l  s t a r t e d  b a c k  a f t e r  t h e  s e c o n d  

s e m e s t e r .

Q. W e r e  y o u  t a r d y  a t  a l l  a t  W h e a t l e y  C e n t r a l  E l e m e n t a r y

d u r i n g  t h e  t e n  o r  e l e v e n  y e a r s  y o u  t a u g h t  t h e r e ?

A .  N e v e r ,  n e v e r .  I n  f a c t  I  a l w a y s  h a d  t o  g o  e a r l y  b e c a u s e

I  h a d  t o  r i d e  w i t h  my h u s b a n d  a n d  I  w o u l d  a l w a y s  h a v e  

t o  s t a y  l a t e r ,  a n d  I  d i d n ' t  m i n d  i t  b e c a u s e  t h e r e  w a s  

s o  m uch  t o  b e  d o n e  a n d  I  e n j o y e d  d o i n g  i t .

Q.  H a v e  y o u  b e e n  t a r d y  s i n c e  y o u  h a v e  b e e n  a t  F o r r e s t

C i t y  S p e c i a l  S c h o o l  D i s t r i c t  N o .  7?

A .  No,  s i r .

Q.  A nd  y o u  h a v e  h a d  e m p l o y m e n t  i n  a n o t h e r  s c h o o l  s y s t e m

a l l  t h i s  y e a r ?

A. Y e s ,  s i r .

MR. BUTLER: I  b e l i e v e  t h a t  i s  a l l .

MR. WALKER: No m o r e  q u e s t i o n s .

MR. BUTLER: Y o u r  H o n o r ,  I  w a n t  t o  c a l l

M r .  W i l l i a m  I r v i n g .

WHEREUPON,

WILLIAM IR V IN G , a w i t n e s s  c a l l e d  o n  b e h a l f  o f  t h e  

D e f e n d a n t s ,  b e i n g  d u l y  s w o r n ,  t e s t i f i e d  a s  f o l l o w s :

DIRECT EXAMINATION

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U n i t e d  s t a t e s  C o u r t  R e p o r t e r  

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BY MR. BUTLER:

Q. M r .  I r v i n g ,  s t a t e  y o u r  f u l l  n a m e ,  p l e a s e , s i r ,  a n d  y o u r

a g e ?

W i l l i a m  I r v i n g ,  f i f t y —n i n e  y e a r s  o f  a g e ,  6 1 6  F i t z ­

p a t r i c k  S t r e e t ,  F o r r e s t  C i t y ,  A r k a n s a s .

Q. W h a t  i s  y o u r  p r e s e n t  p o s i t i o n ?

A. S u p e r i n t e n d e n t  o f  S c h o o l s  o f  F o r r e s t  C i t y  S p e c i a l

S c h o o l  D i s t r i c t  N o .  7 .

Q. How l o n g  h a v e  y o u  b e e n  a t  t h i s  p o s i t i o n ?

N i n e  y e a r s .

P r i o r  t o  t h a t  t i m e  w h a t  w a s  y o u r  p o s i t i o n  w i t h  t h e  

s c h o o l  d i s t r i c t ?

A s s i s t a n t  S u p e r i n t e n d e n t .

How l o n g  h a v e  y o u  b e e n  w i t h  t h e  F o r r e s t  C i t y  S p e c i a l

S c h o o l  D i s t r i c t  i n  o n e  c a p a c i t y  o r  a n o t h e r ?

T h i r t y - n i n e  y e a r s .

* I r v i n g , o n  S e p t e m b e r  3 ,  1 9 6 8 ,  d i d  y o u  a n d  y o u r  

b o a r d  e m p l o y  t h e  s e r v i c e s  o f  M i t t i e  W. J a c k s o n  t o  

t e a c h  e l e m e n t a r y  g r a d e s  i n  t h e  F o r r e s t  C i t y  S c h o o l  

s y s t e m ?

Y e s ,  we d i d .

I  w o u l d  l i k e  f o r  y o u  t o  e x p l a i n  i n  d e t a i l  t h e  t e r m s  o f  

h e r  c o n t r a c t .  Do y o u  h a v e  a c o p y  o f  t h e  o r i g i n a l  c o n t r a c  

Y e s ,  I  h a v e  a  c o p y  o f  t h e  o r i g i n a l  c o n t r a c t .

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w i l l i n g  t o  h a v e  i t  i n t r o d u c e d  i n  t h e  r e c o r d  a n d  l e t  i t  

s p e a k  f o r  i t s e l f .

(MR. BUTLER, c o n t i n u i n g ) : I  hand y o u  a c o p y  h e r e ,  w h a t  i 

p u r p o r t e d  t o  b e  a  c o p y  o f  t h e  o r i g i n a l ?

T h i s  i s  a  c o p y  o f  t h e  o r i g i n a l  c o n t r a c t  p r e p a r e d  i n  my 

f r o m  t h i s  c o n t r a c t  w h i c h  i s  t h e  o r i g i n a l  c o n ­

t r a c t  I  h o l d  i n  my r i g h t  h a n d .  i t  i s .

D o e s  t h e  o r i g i n a l  c o n t r a c t  h a v e  a  memo a t t a c h e d  t o  i t ?  

T h e  o r i g i n a l  c o n t r a c t  h a s  a memo a t t a c h e d  w h i c h  w a s  n o t  

a n d  i s  n o t  a t t a c h e d  t o  t h e  o t h e r  c o p i e s .  I t ' s  a  memo 

t o  t h e  e f f e c t  t h a t  $ 2 0 0 . 0 0  w o u l d  b e  a d d e d  t o  t h e  o r i g i n a  

c o n t r a c t  i f  a n d  w h e n  t h e  m o n e y  t h a t  w a s  p r o m i s e d  b y  t h e

p r e s e n t  a d m i n i s t r a t i o n  i n  i t s  s e c o n d  b i - a n n u a l  w a s  m a de  

a v a i l a b l e .

How w e r e  t h e s e  m o n i e s  t o  b e  m a d e  a v a i l a b l e ?

I  h a v e  b e e n  a s s u r e d  b y  t h e  S t a t e  D e p a r t m e n t  o f  E d u c a ­

t i o n  t h a t  we c a n  r e l y  u p o n  t h e s e  m o n i e s  a n d  t h e y  w i l l  

b e  m a d e  a v a i l a b l e ,  a n d  s h e  w i l l  r e c e i v e ,  a l o n g  w i t h  

a l l  o f  t h e  o t h e r  t e a c h e r s ,  t h e  $ 2 0 0 . 0 0  a d d i t i o n a l  —  

i t  w o n ' t  b e  a  b o n u s ,  i t  w i l l  j u s t  b e  $ 2 0 0 . 0 0  a d d i t i o n  

t o  t h e  o r i g i n a l  $ 5 4 0 0 . 0 0  c o n t r a c t ,  f o r  a  t o t a l  o f  

$ 5 , 6 0 0 . 0 0  f o r  a  y e a r ' s  w o r k .

W o u l d  y o u  m a ke  a c o p y  o f  t h i s  c o n t r a c t  a n  e x h i b i t  t o  

y o u r  t e s t i m o n y ?

Y e s .

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MR. WALKER: Y o u r  H o n o r ,  we w i l l  s t i p u l a t e  i t ,

a n d  h e  n e e d  n o t  m a k e  a n y  a d d i t i o n a l  c o p y  o f  i t .

THE COURT: L e t  i t  b e  r e c e i v e d .

(WHEREUPON, t h e  d o c u m e n t  w a s  
m a r k e d  D e f e n d a n t s  1 E x h i b i t  5 f o r  
i d e n t i f i c a t i o n ,  r e c e i v e d  i n  e v i d e n c e  
a n d  m a d e  a p a r t  o f  t h e  r e c o r d  h e r e o f . )

Q. (MR. BUTLER, c o n t i n u i n g ) : I  w o u l d  l i k e  t o  a s k  y o u  i f

$ 5 6 0 0 . 0 0  i s  t h e  t o t a l  f o r  t h e  y e a r ,  i s  t h a t  c o r r e c t ?

A. C o r r e c t .

Q. A nd  h o w  i s  t h a t  p a i d ?

A .  On h e r  c o n t r a c t  i t  w o u l d  b e  p a i d  i n  e l e v e n  i n s t a l l m e n t s ,

o r  e l e v e n  p a y  p e r i o d s .  T h e  r e a s o n  f o r  t h i s  i s  b e c a u s e  

s h e  w a s  h i r e d  l a t e  i n  t h e  y e a r ,  o r  j u s t  p r i o r  t o  t h e  

o p e n i n g  o f  s c h o o l ,  w h i c h  m a d e  t h e  p a y  d a y s  com e  o u t ,  o r  

t h e  p a y  p e r i o d s  i n t o  e l e v e n  p a y  p e r i o d s  i n s t e a d  o f  

t w e l v e .  We n o r m a l l y  p a y  o n  a  t w e l v e - m o n t h s  b a s i s ,  b u t  

h e r  p a y  p e r i o d s  w e r e  d i v i d e d  —  t h e  a m o u n t  o f  m o n i e s  

w a s  d i v i d e d  b y  e l e v e n  i n s t e a d  o f  t w e l v e ,  b e c a u s e  a s  I  

s a y ,  s h e  s t a r t e d  l a t e  a n d  s h e  d i d  n o t  d r a w  t h e  u s u a l  

A u g u s t  c h e c k  a t  t h e  c l o s e  o f  t h e  m o n t h  o f  A u g u s t .

Q.  Now, M r .  I r v i n g ,  y o u  h a v e  y o u r  r e c o r d s  t h e r e  o f  h e r

t a k e - h o m e  p a y ?

A .  Y e s ,  s i r .

Q. And o u t  o f  t h e  c h e c k  $ 4 9 0 . 9 0  a  m o n t h ,  how  m uch  t a k e -

hom e p a y  d o e s  s h e  g e t ?

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A. S h e  h a s  $ 4 9 0 . 9 0 ,  i s  t h e  a m o u n t  o f  t h i s  p a y  p e r i o d .

T h i s  i s  a  p h o t o s t a t i c  c o p y  o f  t h e  s c h o o l  w a r r a n t  w h i c h  

w a s  i s s u e d  t o  h e r  J a n u a r y  2 8 ,  1 9 6 9 .  I  j u s t  p u l l e d  i t  

f r o m  t h e  f i l e  - -  t h e y  a r e  a l l  t h e  s a m e  - -

Q. W o u l d  y o u  e n u m e r a t e  t h e  d e d u c t i o n s ?

MR. WALKER: J u s t  a  m o m e n t .  Y o u r  H o n o r .  M r .  I r ­

v i n g  d i d  n o t  f i n i s h  h i s  a n s w e r .  He s t a t e d  t h i s  w a s  

$ 4 9 0 . 9 0  p e r  m o n t h .  I  d o  n o t  t h i n k  t h i s  i s  r e s p o n s i v e  

c o m p l e t e l y  t o  M r .  B u t l e r ' s  q u e s t i o n .  M r .  I r v i n g  w a s  

a b o u t  t o  g o  a h e a d  a n d  t e l l  h i m  w h a t  t h e  t a k e  hom e  w a s .

A. I  w a s  g o i n g  t o  g i v e  t h a t  f i g u r e .  T h e  a m o u n t  o f  t h e

p a y  p e r i o d  $ 4 9 0 . 9 0 ,  t h e  a m o u n t  o f  d e d u c t i o n s  $ 1 1 0 . 1 2 ,  

o r  a n e t  a m o u n t  t a k e  h o m e  $ 3 8 0 . 7 8 .

Q. (MR. BUTLER, c o n t i n u i n g ) :  T h e  q u e s t i o n  I  w a s  g e t t i n g

r e a d y  t o  a s k  y o u  w a s ,  w o u l d  y o u  i t e m i z e  t h o s e  d e d u c t i o n s  

f o r  u s ?

A .  R e t i r e m e n t  $ 2 1 . 6 0 ;  s o c i a l  s e c u r i t y  $ 2 3 . 5 6 ;  i n s u r a n c e

$ 5 . 3 8 ;  w i t h h o l d i n g  f e d e r a l  $ 4 6 . 5 0 ;  w i t h h o l d i n g  s t a t e  

$ 3 . 0 8 ;  a n d  $ 1 0 . 0 0  f o r  - -  I  d o n ' t  k n o w  w h a t  t h a t  i t e m  

i s ,  CU. I t  e s c a p e s  me a t  t h e  p r e s e n t ,  b u t  t h e r e  i s  a  

$ 1 0 . 0 0  d e d u c t .  I  d o n ' t  k n o w  w h a t  t h a t  i s  f o r  u n l e s s  

i t  w a s  a s u b s t i t u t e  o r  s o m e t h i n g  l i k e  t h a t .

Q. Now, M r .  I r v i n g ,  w h a t  k i n d  o f  t e a c h e r  h a s  M i t t i e

J a c k s o n  m a de  i n  t h e  F o r r e s t  c i t y  S p e c i a l  S c h o o l  D i s t r i c t  

N o .  7 ?

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MR. WALKER: Y o u r  H o n o r ,  a t  t h i s  p o i n t  we

w o u l d  l i k e  t o  o b j e c t  a n d  c l a i m  o f  s u r p r i s e .  I t  c e r t a i n ! ,  

w o u l d  b e  i n a p p r o p r i a t e  f o r  u s  t o  p e r m i t  t h i s  w i t n e s s  t o  

g o  i n t o  t h i s  t e a c h e r ' s  c h a r a c t e r  —  n o t  h e r  c h a r a c t e r  

- -  b u t  h e r  c o m p e t e n c e  a s  a  t e a c h e r .  We w e r e  n o t  p r e ­

p a r e d  f o r  t h i s .  We h a d  n o  k n o w l e d g e  t h a t  i t  w a s  g o i n g  

t o  b e  r a i s e d .  We a r e  n o t  p r e p a r e d  t o  r e b u t  t h i s  

p a r t i c u l a r  i n f o r m a t i o n  t h a t  may b e  g i v e n  i f  h a r m f u l  

b y  t h i s  p a r t i c u l a r  w i t n e s s .  I  c l a i m  s u r p r i s e .

THE COURT: W e l l ,  M r .  W a l k e r ,  y o u  p u t  t h e

q u e s t i o n  a t  i s s u e  i n  t h i s  c a s e .

MR. WALKER: Y o u r  H o n o r ,  t h e  q u e s t i o n  a t  i s s u e  -•

THE COURT: L e t  t h e  C o u r t  s p e a k ,  M r .  W a l k e r ,

j u s t  h a v e  a  s e a t .

MR. WALKER: A l l  r i g h t ,  Y o u r  H o n o r .

THE COURT: T h i s  h a s  b e c o m e  a n  i s s u e  i n  t h e

c a s e  a n d  t h e  q u e s t i o n  h a s  d e v e l o p e d  a n d  i s  b e i n g  

d e v e l o p e d  o n  t h e  b a s i s  o f  t h e  q u a l i f i c a t i o n s  o f  t h e s e  

t e a c h e r s .  T h e  q u e s t i o n  h a s  now b e e n  d e v e l o p e d  t h a t  

s h e  i s  p r e s e n t l y  e m p l o y e d  a n d  i s  w o r k i n g  f o r  t h e  

F o r r e s t  C i t y  S c h o o l s .  And I  a s s u m e  f r o m  w h a t  t h e  

s u p e r i n t e n d e n t  h a s  s a i d  s h e  s t i l l  h a s  a  c o n t r a c t  a n d  

i s  s t i l l  w o r k i n g  a n d  w i l l  c o n t i n u e  t o  w o r k  f o r  t h e  r e s t  

o f  t h e  y e a r .  I  d o n ' t  k n o w  w h a t  t h e  p u r p o s e  o f  p u r s u i n g  

t h a t  p h a s e  o f  i t  may b e ,  Mr.  B u t l e r ,  b u t  t h e  f a c t  t h a t

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s h e  i s  e m p l o y e d  i n d i c a t e s  t h a t  s h e  h a s  m e t  a l l  o f  t h e  

q u a l i f i c a t i o n s  o f  t h e  S t a t e  D e p a r t m e n t  o f  E d u c a t i o n ,

MR. BUTLER: Y e s ,  t h a t  i s  t r u e ,  Y o u r  H o n o r ,

s h e  d o e s  h a v e  a  c e r t i f i c a t e .  B u t  t h e  p u r p o s e  o f  t h i s ,  

t h i s  w i l l  b e  c o n n e c t e d  u p  w i t h  o t h e r  w i t n e s s e s .  T h e  

r e a s o n  I  am u s i n g  M r .  I r v i n g  a t  t h i s  t i m e  i s  I  w a n t  t o  

f r e e  h i m  s o  h e  c a n  g o  b a c k  t o  h i s  d u t i e s .  B u t  we w i l l  

h a v e  o t h e r  p r o o f  to t h e  e f f e c t  t h a t  w h i l e  s h e  w a s  w o r k i n c  

i n  t h e  s c h o o l  s y s t e m  a t  W h e a t l e y  s h e  w a s  a w a y  a  g r e a t  

d e a l ,  s h e  w a s  t a r d y  f r e q u e n t l y ,  a n d  I  j u s t  w a n t  t o  

k n o w  f r o m  M r .  I r v i n g  h o w  s h e  i s  p a n n i n g  o u t  w i t h  h i m ,  

T h e y  h a v e  a c o n t r a c t  w i t h  h e r  f o r  a  y e a r .

MR. WALKER: Y o u r  H o n o r ,  may I  r e a c t  now ?

THE COURT: I  d o n ' t  k n o w  w h a t  y o u  m e a n  b y

r e a c t i n g ,  b u t  i f  y o u  h a v e  a n y t h i n g  y o u  w a n t  t o  p r e s e n t  

t o  t h e  C o u r t ,  y o u  may d o  s o .

MR. WALKER: T h e  q u e s t i o n  a t  i s s u e  a s  we u n d e r ­

s t o o d  i t ,  a n d  i t  w a s  p r e - i s s u e d  b y  t h e  d e f e n s e ,  w a s ,  

p e r h a p s  t h e  c o m p e t e n c e  a t  t h e  W h e a t l e y  s c h o o l .  We a r e  

n o t  i n  t h i s  l a w s u i t  c o n c e r n e d  w i t h  M r s .  J a c k s o n ' s  

c o m p e t e n c e  f o r  w h a t  s h e  i s  d o i n g  now ,  o r  f r o m  t h e s e  

o t h e r  t e a c h e r s .  F o r  a l l  we c a r e ,  we w o u l d  p e r h a p s  

s h o w  t h a t  s h e  may n o t  b e  c o m p e t e n t  f o r  w h a t  s h e  i s  

d o i n g  n o w .  T h a t  i s  i r r e l e v a n t .  My o b j e c t i o n  g o e s  t o  

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t h e r e  w o u l d  b e  a  w i t n e s s  w ho  w o u l d  g i v e  t e s t i m o n y  a s  

t o  h e r  p r e s e n t  c o m p e t e n c y .

THE COURT: I  d o n ' t  t h i n k  t h i s  w i t n e s s  i s  g o i n g

t o  s h o w  t o o  much  p r e j u d i c e  i n  t h i s  m a t t e r ,  i f  a n y  a t  

a l l ,  M r .  W a l k e r .  I  t h i n k  h e  i s  p r e s e n t i n g  w h a t  t h e  

f a c t s  a r e .  You may p r o c e e d ,  a n d  we w i l l  s e e .

Q. (MR. BUTLER, c o n t i n u i n g ) :  M r .  I r v i n g ,  t e l l  t h e  C o u r t ,

i f  y o u  w i l l ,  a b o u t  M r s .  J a c k s o n ' s  e x e c u t i o n  o f  h e r  

d u t i e s  a s  t o  a b s e n c e ,  p u n c t u a l i t y ,  q u a l i f i c a t i o n s ,  a n d  

o r g a n i z a t i o n  o f  c l a s s r o o m  w o r k ?

THE COURT: M r .  B u t l e r ,  y o u  h a v e  a l r e a d y  p u t

h e r  q u a l i f i c a t i o n s  i n  t h i s  r e c o r d ,  a n d  p r e s e n t e d  a n  

e x h i b i t  w h i c h  p l a i n t i f f s  s a i d  t h e y  w o u l d  s t i p u l a t e  t o ,  

b u t  n e v e r t h e l e s s ,  y o u  d i d  p r e s e n t  i t  i n  t h e  r e c o r d .

I  am s u r e  y o u  d o n ' t  i n t e n d  t o  d e f e a t  y o u r  own t e s t i m o n y .

MR. BUTLER: Y o u r  H o n o r ,  I  h a v e  o n l y  q u e s t i o n e d

h e r  a b o u t  h e r  c o n t r a c t .  I  h a v e  n o t  q u e s t i o n e d  h e r  a s  

t o  w h e t h e r  s h e  h a d  a c e r t i f i c a t e ,  h e r  e d u c a t i o n a l  

b a c k g r o u n d .  I  d i d n ' t  g o  o v e r  t h a t  a t  a l l .

THE COURT: I t ' s  y o u r  w i t n e s s .

MR. BUTLER: I  w o u l d  j u s t  l i k e  f o r  h i m  t o  t e l l

how  s h e  h a s  p e r f o r m e d .

THE COURT: S h e  i s  s t i l l  t e a c h i n g ,  i s n ' t  s h e ?

S h e  i s  e m p l o y e d  a t  t h e  D e R o s s i t t  E l e m e n t a r y  S c h o o l ,  

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m i s s e d  f o u r t e e n  a n d  a  h a l f  d a y s  o f  w o r k .  T h i s  i s  a  

r e p o r t  t h a t  w a s  g i v e n  t o  me b y  my s e c r e t a r y  w h o  k e e p s  

u p  w i t h  t h e  a b s e n t e e i s m ,  a n d  t h e  c a u s e s  f o r  t h e  a b s e n c e  

w e r e  a l l e g e d  t o  h a v e  b e e n  f o r  t h e  p u r p o s e  o f  v i s i t i n g  

h e r  m o t h e r  w ho  w a s  i l l .  O n e - h a l f  d a y  o f  t h i s  t i m e  w a s ,  

i n c i d e n t a l l y ,  f o r  t h e  p u r p o s e  o f  r e p o r t i n g  a n d  m e e t i n g  

w i t h  h e r  c o u n s e l  f o r  d e p o s i t i o n  p u r p o s e s .  O u t s i d e  o f  

t h a t  a n d ,  o f  c o u r s e ,  t o d a y ,  t h i s  w i l l  b e  f i f t e e n  a n d  

a  h a l f  d a y s  o f  a b s e n c e  t h a t  s h e  w i l l  h a v e  u p  t o  d a t e  

b e e n  a b s e n t  f r o m  h e r  w o r k .  S h e  h a s  b e e n  a t  t i m e s  

u n p u n c t u a l ,  a s  h a s  b e e n  r e p o r t e d  b y  t h e  s u p e r v i s o r s  

a n d  b y  h e r  p r i n c i p a l .  s h e  h a s  b e e n  p r o m p t e d  f r e q u e n t l y  

a b o u t  t h i s .  As t o  w hy  s h e  h a s  b e e n  l a t e ,  I  d o n ’ t  k n o w .

I  p r e s u m e  b e c a u s e  s h e  h a s  t o  t r a v e l  s o  f a r  t o  w o r k .

H e r  c l a s s r o o m  w o r k  h a s  n o t  b e e n  t o o  w e l l  o r g a n i z e d  

a s  h e r  c l o s e r  s u p e r v i s o r s  h a v e  r e p o r t e d .  T h i s  o n e  h a s  

n o t  b e e n  t o o  g o o d  - -

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M r .  I r v i n g ' s  o f f i c i a l  r e c o r d s  a n d  i t  i s  h e a r s a y  a n d  i t  

i n v o l v e s  a n o t h e r  s c h o o l  d i s t r i c t ,  we h a v e  t o  o b j e c t  t o  

i t s  a d m i s s i b i l i t y .

THE COURT: I  t h i n k  i t  i s  p r o p e r  t e s t i m o n y .

O b j e c t i o n  o v e r r u l e d .  You may p r o c e e d .  You w i l l  h a v e  

a n  o p p o r t u n i t y  t o  i n t e r r o g a t e  t h i s  w i t n e s s ,  Mr.  W a l k e r .

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A. I personally have not observed her in her work. I do

not in my position have an opportunity to observe 

teachers too often personally, having some two hundred 

and eighty-five teachers, I don't have time to see 

them all. The only thing I can testify, of course, is 

to the testimonials that were given to me by my two 

assistant superintendents, namely, Mr. C. T. Cobb and 

Mr. DeWitt Smith.

Q. (MR. BUTLER, continuing): Mr. Cobb, is he white?

A. Mr. Cobb is a Negro, assistant superintendent. And

Mr. DeWitt Smith is a white assistant superintendent. 

They have previously mentioned, or it has previously 

been mentioned to them by the principal of the school 

as to her tardiness. It was reported that when she 

is prompted about certain deficiencies she is rather 

hard to counsel with. And that is all the information 

I have on her personally. I personally do not know 

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MR. BUTLER: That is all, Your Honor.

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Q. Mr. Irving, all of your conclusions about Mrs. Mittie

Jackson are based on hearsay, is that correct?

A. That is true.

Q. You have no direct knowledge of her teaching competence;

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A. I have not observed her personally.

Q- My question was, you have no direct knowledge of her

teaching competence?

A. None other than is reported to me by her principal and

the supervisors who are hired for the purpose of making 

such observations.

Q. Now isn't it true, Mr. Irving, that Forrest City has

its own desegregation problems right now?

A. We are no exception.

Q. You are right now trying to negotiate with HEW in order

to retain your own federal funds, isn’t that true?

A. That's true.

Q. Isn't it true that you have been given notice this year

that you must unify your existing dual school system?

A. No, that is not true.

Q. Did you not go to Washington, D. C., recently for a

conference with H.E.W. officials to discuss your 

situation with Secretary Finch?

MR. BUTLER: Your Honor, I don't feel this

question has anything relevant. I object to this.

MR. WALKER: Your Honor —

A. I object myself.

THE COURT: Now, Gentlemen, the Court suggests

that you let Mr. Butler make his objection.

MR. BUTLER: Thank you, sir. I object, Your

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H o n o r ,  t h i s  h a s  n o t h i n g  t o  d o  w i t h  t h e  i s s u e  i n  t h i s  

l a w s u i t ,  i t  i s  i r r e l e v a n t  a n d  i m m a t e r i a l .

THE COURT: I t  i s  a  p r o p e r  q u e s t i o n  a n d  i t  g o e s

t o  t h e  c r e d i b i l i t y  o f  t h e  w i t n e s s .  You may p r o c e e d .

Q. (MR. WALKER, c o n t i n u i n g ) : Do y o u  r e c a l l  t h e  q u e s t i o n ,

s i r ?

A. You h a d  b e t t e r  r e s t a t e  y o u r  q u e s t i o n .

Q. i s  i t  t r u e  t h a t  y o u  a n d  m e m b e r s  o f  y o u r  b o a r d  o f

e d u c a t i o n  a n d  y o u r  a t t o r n e y ,  M r . E . J .  B u t l e r ,  r e c e n t l y  

w e n t  t o  W a s h i n g t o n  t o  d i s c u s s  t h e  F o r r e s t  C i t y  d e g e g r e -  

g a t i o n  s i t u a t i o n  w i t h  S e c r e t a r y  F i n c h ,  a n d  t h a t  y o u  

h a d  a m e e t i n g  w i t h  S e c r e t a r y  F i n c h  w h i c h  w a s  a r r a n g e d  

b y  S e n a t o r  J o h n  L .  M c C l e l l a n ?

THE COURT: J u s t  a  m i n u t e  b e f o r e  y o u  a n s w e r

t h a t  q u e s t i o n .  T h e  C o u r t  w i l l  s t a t e  i t  i s  g o i n g  t o  

p e r m i t  t h e  a n s w e r  t o  b e  g i v e n  t o  t h e  q u e s t i o n ,  b u t  i t  

w i l l  o n l y  b e  c o n s i d e r e d  u n d e r  t h e  r u l e s  a s  t o  t h e  

c r e d i b i l i t y  o f  t h e  w i t n e s s ,  a n d  f o r  t h a t  p u r p o s e  o n l y .

MR. WALKER: We a r e  n o t  t r y i n g  F o r r e s t  C i t y

n o w .  I t  i s  j u s t  g o i n g  t o  t h e  c r e d i b i l i t y .

Q. (MR. WALKER, c o n t i n u i n g ) : C o u l d  y o u  a n s w e r  t h a t  j u s t

y e s  o r  n o ?

I n  p a r t ,  y e s .  B u t  i n  p e r s o n  h a v i n g  r e f e r e n c e  t o ,  n o .

I  b e l i e v e  y o u  a s k e d  me i f  t h e  i n t e r v i e w  w a s  n o t  a r r a n g e d  

b y  —  whom d i d  y o u  a s k ?

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MR. WALKER: T h a t  i s  i r r e l e v a n t ,  I  am w i t h ­

d r a w i n g  t h e  r e f e r e n c e  t o  t h e  m e e t i n g  b e i n g  a r r a n g e d  b y  

S e n a t o r  M c C l e l l a n .

A. T h a t ' s  n o t  w h o l l y  t r u e .

MR. WALKER: I  am w i t h d r a w i n g  t h a t  c o m p l e t e l y .

A .  A l l  r i g h t .

Q. (MR. WALKER, c o n t i n u i n g ) :  M r .  I r v i n g ,  a t  t h e  t i m e  y o u

e m p l o y e d  M r s .  J a c k s o n  w e r e  y o u  a w a r e  o f  t h e  f a c t  t h a t  

s h e  h a d  f i l e d  a l a w s u i t  a g a i n s t  t h e  W h e a t l e y  S c h o o l  

D i s t r i c t ?

A .  No,  I  w a s  n o t .  To b e  p e r f e c t l y  t r u t h f u l ,  I  w a s  n o t .

I  h a v e  h a d  t h e s e  c a s e s  b e f o r e .

Q. H a v e  y o u  e v e r  h a d  a n y  c o n v e r s a t i o n  w i t h  M r .  T .  E .

P a t t e r s o n ,  E x e c u t i v e  S e c r e t a r y  o f  t h e  A r k a n s a s  T e a c h e r s  

A s s o c i a t i o n ?

A. A b o u t  t h i s  p a r t i c u l a r  e m p l o y m e n t ?

Q. No,  j u s t  a b o u t  t h e  e m p l o y m e n t  o f  N e g r o  t e a c h e r s

g e n e r a l l y  who h a v e  b e e n  d i s m i s s e d  f r o m  s c h o o l  d i s t r i c t s  

w ho  h a v e  f i l e d  l a w s u i t s  a g a i n s t  s c h o o l  d i s t r i c t s .

A.  I  h a v e  o n  p r e v i o u s  o c c a s i o n s  t a l k e d  w i t h  M r .  P a t t e r s o n

a b o u t  t e a c h e r s  who w e r e  n o t  r e h i r e d  i n  o t h e r  d i s t r i c t s ,  

y e s .

Q. Who h a d  f i l e d  l a w s u i t s  a g a i n s t  o t h e r  d i s t r i c t s ?

A .  I  b e l i e v e  i n  o n e  c a s e ,  y e s ,  t h e y  h a d  s t a r t e d  n e g o t i a ­

t i o n s  a b o u t  a  l a w s u i t .

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Q. Do y o u  r e c a l l  a s k i n g  M r .  P a t t e r s o n  t o  h a v e  t h e s e  p e o p l e

d r o p  t h e  l a w s u i t  i n  o r d e r  t o  c o n t i n u e  t o  b e  e m p l o y e d  

b y  t h e  F o r r e s t  C i t y  S c h o o l  D i s t r i c t ?

A .  I  b e l i e v e ,  i f  I  r e m e m b e r  c o r r e c t l y ,  I  t o l d  M r .  P a t t e r s o r

t h a t  I  w o u l d  h i r e  t h e s e  p e o p l e ,  b u t  I  d i d  n o t  w a n t  t o  

h i r e  t h e m  i f  I  w a s  g o i n g  t o  b e  t i e d  u p  i n t o  a n y  

l i t i g a t i o n  o r  i f  t h e y  w e r e  g o i n g  t o  b e  t i e d  u p  i n  

l i t i g a t i o n  w i t h  t h e  s c h o o l  d i s t r i c t  f r o m  w h e n c e  t h e y  

w e r e  c o m i n g ,  a n d  i f  s u c h  c o m p l i c a t i o n s  w e r e  g o i n g  t o  

b e  o u t s t a n d i n g  I  d i d  n o t  w a n t  t o  u n d e r g o  t h e  u s u a l ,  

a n d  I  g a v e  t h e m  a j o b .  I  d i d n ' t  h a v e  t o ,  I  h a d  o t h e r  

a p p l i c a n t s  who c o u l d  h a v e  d o n e  t h e  j o b  j u s t  a s  w e l l ,  

b u t  I  d i d  g i v e  t h e m  a j o b .  T h e y  a r e  g o o d  t e a c h e r s .  I  

d o n ' t  t h i n k  t h a t  t h e y  f o l l o w e d  u p  o n  a n y  l a w s u i t s ,  t h e y  

h a v e  g o t t e n  a l o n g  w o n d e r f u l l y  w e l l  a n d  s o  f a r  a s  I  

k n o w ,  t h e y  w i l l  b e  w i t h  me u n t i l  t h e y  p r o v e  t h e m s e l v e s  

i n c o m p e t e n t .  B u t  I  d i d  t a l k  t o  C .  T .  P a t t e r s o n  a b o u t

t h i s .

Q- T .  E .  P a t t e r s o n .

A. I  m e a n  T .  E .  P a t t e r s o n ,  I 'm s o r r y ,  I  k n o w  h i m b e t t e r

t h a n  t h a t .  T h a t  i s  t r u e , t h a t  i s  v e r y  t r u e . And I

d i d  t h a t  f o r  t h e  p u r p o s e  t h a t  we a r e  h e r e  t o d a y ,  t h a t  

i s  e x a c t l y .  And I  w i l l  s a y  t h i s ,  h a d  I  known t h a t  t h i s  

c a s e  w a s  g o i n g  i n t o  c o u r t ,  t h i s  p r o c e e d i n g s ,  I  p r o b a b l y  

w o u l d  n o t  h a v e  e m p l o y e d  y o u r  c l i e n t .  I f  t h a t  i s  a n y

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s a t i s f a c t i o n .

MR. WALKER: T h a n k  y o u ,  s i r .

MR. BUTLER: Y o u r  H o n o r ,  I  h a v e  n o  f u r t h e r

q u e s t i o n s .  I  w o u l d  l i k e  M r .  I r v i n g  b e  e x c u s e d .  I  

t h i n k  h e  w a n t s  t o  b e  e x c u s e d .

THE COURT: I  t h i n k  t h a t  i t  i s  a  m a t t e r  o f  l a w ,

b u t  i s  i t  n o t  a  f a c t  t h a t  u n d e r  s t a t e  l a w  t e a c h e r  

c o n t r a c t s  a r e  o n  a n  a n n u a l  b a s i s ?

A .  Y e s ,  p r i m a r i l y  o n l y  t e a c h e r s ,  a n d  t h e r e  c a n  b e  f o r  o n l y

o n e  s c h o o l  y e a r ,  f r o m  J u l y  1 s t  t o  J u l y  1 s t .

THE COURT: B u t  n o t i c e  m u s t  b e  g i v e n ,  a n d  i f

n o t i c e  i s  n o t  g i v e n  t h e y  a r e  a u t o m a t i c a l l y  e x t e n d e d  

f o r  a n o t h e r  y e a r ?

A .  N o t i c e s  c a n  b e  g i v e n  t e n  d a y s  a f t e r  t h e  c l o s e  o f

s c h o o l  f o r  t h e  s c h o o l  y e a r  t h a t  t h e y  w o u l d  n o t  r e h i r e ,  

w h i c h  w o u l d  s u b s t a n t i a t e  I  b e l i e v e  i n  t h e  c o u r t s .

MR. WALKER: Y o u r  H o n o r ,  may I  a s k  o n e  q u e s t i o n ,

m a y b e  t w o .

THE COURT: Y e s .

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f o r  e a c h  d a y  t h a t  M r s .  J a c k s o n  h a s  t o  b e  o u t  o f  s c h o o l  

t o  b e  i n v o l v e d  i n  t h i s  l i t i g a t i o n  t h a t  s h e  i s  d o c k e d  

i n  t h e  a m o u n t  o f  a p p r o x i m a t e l y  $ 3 0 . 0 0  p e r  d a y ?

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r e c e i v e d  s h o u l d  h e r  s a l a r y  h a v e  b e e n  d i v i d e d  b y  t h e

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number of days, that is true. The board felt that that 

was no more than just.

Q. The second thing. Would you state that whether or not

the Forrest City School system is considerably larger 

than the Wheatley school system, and whether the school 

in which she teaches is also accredited as high as it 

could be accredited?

A. We have the highest rating that the state levies on an

elementary school, an "A" rating. That is correct, 

and we are a considerably larger school district than 

of course Wheatley.

MR. WALKER: Thank you sir.

EXAMINATION BY THE COURT

Q. Who determines the rating?

A. The State Board of Education.

Q. And every school is given a rating by the State Board

of Education?

A. Every school is rated both secondary and elementary.

And the highest rating any school can have or acquire 

is an "A" rating. That's for the elementary, the junior 

high and the senior high which are the groups that are 

classified as secondary schools.

Q. Now you employed Mrs. Jackson knowing that she had

been teaching in the Wheatley school?

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where she had been teaching. I have assistants who 

work in personnel matters.

Q. They satisfied themselves about her meeting all the

requirements and conveyed it to you?

A. That is true, sir. She has four years -- she has a BS

degree, she is properly certified, she has had twenty- 

two years of service, and her contract was drawn on the 

basis of a recommendation from my assistant superintend­

ent, Mr. C. T. Cobb, who recommended that she be hired, 

and she was hired and given a contract. But I did 

not know that she had been dismissed .or had not been 

rehired by the Wheatley School District.

THE COURT: You may stand aside. If there is

no further need for Mr. Irving, Mr. Irving may be 

excused. Is that agreeable with you, Mr. Walker?

MR. WALKER: That's agreeable with us.

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IN  THE UNITED STATES D IS T R IC T  COURT 
EASTERN D IS T R IC T  OF ARKANSAS 

EASTERN D I V I S I O N

L .  R .  JACKSON, MARVIN E .  COLEMAN,
MRS. M ITTIE JACKSON, MRS. MALISSA A .
MEEKS a n d  THE ARKANSAS TEACHERS 
ASSOCIATION, A N o n - p r o f i t  A s s o c i a t i o n  
O r g a n i z e d  u n d e r  t h e  Laws  o f  t h e  S t a t e
o f  A r k a n s a s ,  P LA IN T IFF S

v .  N o .  H 68  C - 2 2

WHEATLEY SCHOOL D IS T R IC T  NO. 2 8  OF 
S T .  FRANCIS COUNTY, ARKANSAS,
A C o r p o r a t i o n ;  SIDNEY KENNEDY,
S u p e r i n t e n d e n t  o f  S c h o o l s  o f  W h e a t l e y
S c h o o l  D i s t r i c t  N o .  2 8 ,  e t  a l . , DEFENDANTS

H e l e n a ,  A r k a n s a s  
M a r c h  13 & 1 4 ,  1 9 6 9 .

VOLUME I I .

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IN THE UNITED STATES D IS T R IC T  COURT 
EASTERN D IS T R IC T  OF ARKANSAS 

EASTERN D IV IS IO N

Lo R .  JACKSON, MARVIN E . COLEMAN,
MRS „ M ITTIE  JACKSON, MRS . MALISSA A .
MEEKS a n d  THE ARKANSAS TEACHERS 
ASSOCIATION, A N o n - p r o f i t  A s s o c i a t i o n  
O r g a n i z e d  U n d e r  t h e  Law s  o f  t h e
S t a t e  o f  A r k a n s a s ,  P L A I N T I F F S ,

v .  N o .  H 68  C - 2 2

WHEATLEY SCHOOL D IS T R IC T  NO* 2 8  OF 
S T .  FRANCIS COUNTY, ARKANSAS, A 
C o r p o r a t i o n ;  SIDNEY KENNEDY,
S u p e r i n t e n d e n t  o f  S c h o o l s  o f  W h e a t l e y  
S c h o o l  D i s t r i c t  N o .  2 8 ;  a n d  IRA 0 .  WHEELER,
BOBBY MICHAELIS,  BILLY JOE JONES,
BOBBY NOOSLER a n d  PAUL TEHRING, B o a r d  
o f  D i r e c t o r s  o f  t h e  W h e a t l e y  S c h o o l  
D i s t r i c t  N o .  2 8  o f  S t .  F r a n c i s  C o u n t y ,
A r k a n s a s ,  DEFENDANTS.

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Index of Testimony_________ _______
Direct-.Cross : Redirect: Recross :By Court:

Witness Butler :Walker

M r s .  Malissa A. Meeks : 1 8 0 : 189 1 91 . 1 9 3  1.

Bobby Michaelis ; 195 : 2 0 5 2 15 : 2 1 6  s •

Billy Joe Jones : 2 1 8 : 2 3 0 2 4 1 a • 9

Russell James Noosler : 242 s 2 4 6 252 ! 2 52 s 2 5 0 ®

Robert G. Noosler s 2 5 5 : 2 6 1 2 6 8 : 2 6 9  : 2 7 4 ,,

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S t u d e n t s '  P e r m a n e n t  r e c o r d  o f  M a l i s s a  M e e k s . . .  
L e t t e r  f r o m  L a n e  B r y a n t ,  I n c . ,  1 0 - 1 9 - 6 7 . . . . . . .
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P R O C E E D I N G S  VOLUME I I

THE COURT: C a l l  y o u r  n e x t  w i t n e s s .

MR.BUTLER: M r s .  M e e k s .

WHEREUPON,

MRS. MALISSA A. MEEKS, o n e  o f  t h e  p l a i n t i f f s ,  w a s  c a l l e c  

a s  a  w i t n e s s  on  b e h a l f  o f  t h e  D e f e n d a n t s ,  b e i n g  d u l y  

s w o r n ,  t e s t i f i e d  a s  f o l l o w s ;

DIRECT EXAMINATION

BY MR. BUTLER:

Q. Y o u r  nam e  i s  M r s .  M a l i s s a  M e e k s ?

A .  M a l i s s a  A. M e e k s .

Q. How o l d  a r e  y o u ,  M r s .  M e e k s ?

A .  I  am f o r t y - s i x .

Q. W h e r e  d o  y o u  r e s i d e ?

A .  B r i n k l e y ,  A r k a n s a s .

Q. How l o n g  h a v e  y o u  b e e n  a  r e s i d e n t  o f  B r i n k l e y ?

A. A b o u t  s e v e n  y e a r s .

Q. A r e  y o u  t h e  s i s t e r  o f  P r o f e s s o r  L .  R.  J a c k s o n ?

A. I  am.

Q. W h e r e  d i d  y o u  g e t  y o u r  e d u c a t i o n ?

A .  I  am a  g r a d u a t e  o f  P h i l a n d e r  S m i t h  C o l l e g e ,  L i t t l e

R o c k ,  A r k a n s a s .

Q. When d i d  y o u  g e t  y o u r  d e g r e e ?

A. I n  1 9 6 3 .

Q. W h a t  i n ?

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A .  I  h a v e  a BA d e g r e e  i n  e l e m e n t a r y  e d u c a t i o n ,

Q. A BA?

A .  Y e s ,  s i r .

Q .  And y o u  m o v e d  t o  B r i n k l e y  s e v e n  y e a r s  a g o ?

A .  T h a t ' s  r i g h t .

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f r o m  t h a t  t i m e  u p  u n t i l  y o u r  c o n t r a c t  w a s  t e r m i n a t e d ?

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b e c a u s e  I  u s e d  t o  l i v e  i n  M o r o ,  A r k a n s a s ,  a n d  t h e n  

t a u g h t  i n  M o ro  o n e  y e a r  b e f o r e  I  w e n t  t o  B r i n k l e y ,  

m a y b e  tw o  y e a r s ,  b u t  I  t h i n k  i t  w a s  o n e  y e a r  t h o u g h .

I  w a s  t r a n s f e r r e d  f r o m  M o r o .

Q. When d i d  y o u  f i r s t  k n o w  t h a t  y o u r  c o n t r a c t  w i t h  t h e

W h e a t l e y  S c h o o l  D i s t r i c t  w a s  g o i n g  t o  b e  t e r m i n a t e d  a t  

t h e  e n d  o f  t h e  s c h o o l  y e a r  1 9 6 7 - 6 8 ?

A .  X c o u l d n ' t  g i v e  y o u  t h e  d i r e c t  d a t e ,  b u t  i t  w a s  t h e

s a m e  t i m e  o f  a l l  t h i s  o t h e r  d i s c u s s i o n ,  I  t h i n k  a l l  o f  

i t  w a s  s a m e  t i m e  a n d  t h e  s a m e  n u m b e r .

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on  A p r i l  2 9 ?

A. I  s u r e  d i d .

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C o l e m a n ?

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w o u l d  n o t  b e  r e n e w e d  f o r  t h e  n e x t  y e a r ?

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s u p e r i n t e n d e n t  c a m e  o u t .

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A p r i l  2 9 t h ?

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d i s t u r b e d ,  t h a t  i s  s o m e t h i n g  I  d o n ' t  k n o w .

Q. A m o n t h  b e f o r e  t h a t ?

A. N o ,  s i r ,  I  d o n ' t  t h i n k  i t  w a s  t h a t  l o n g .

Q. You d i d  r e c e i v e  y o u r  n o t i c e  o f  t e r m i n a t i o n ,  d i d  y o u

n o t ,  t h r o u g h  t h e  m a i l ?

A. I  s u r e  d i d  a f t e r  s c h o l  w a s  o u t .

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A .  You m e a n  t h e  w h o l e  t i m e  I  w a s  t e a c h i n g  t h e r e ?

Q. W h i l e  y o u  w e r e  t e a c h i n g  t h e r e ,  w h a t  g r a d e s  d i d  y o u  t e a c h

A .  I  t a u g h t  t h e  3 r d  a n d  4 t h  g r a d e  f o r  a  p r e t t y  g o o d  w h i l e

t h e n  I  f i n a l l y  g o t  t o  b e  a  s e c o n d  g r a d e  t e a c h e r ,  a n d  

I  t a u g h t  t h e  3 r d  g r a d e  a l i t t l e  w h i l e .  T h e y  j u s t  k e p t  

m o v i n g  u s  a b o u t  f r o m  o n e  g r a d e  t o  a n o t h e r .

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m a n y  s t u d e n t s  d i d  y o u  h a v e  i n  W h e a t l e y  C e n t r a l ?

A. How m a n y  s t u d e n t s  t h e  w h o l e  t i m e ?

Q. Y e s .

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think about all the things and they don't stay on my 

mind.

Q. So, you're a person that has got problems?

A . I am.

Q. What kind of problems?

A. At home, my own personal problems, because I am a widow

and I've got a lot of things to think about.

Q. About your indebtedness, and that sort of thing?

A. That's some of it too. There is a lot of things on my

mind.

Q. You did owe quite a few people quite a bit of money, is

that right?

A. Well, yes, I am not going to deny that I owe people.

q  x  mean prior to the end while you were teaching school

over there at Wheatley, did you have a lot of creditors 

that you were slow about paying?

A. Well, I wasn't slow, but I was paying the best I could.

Q. When you say "the best you could?"

A. That's right.

Q. Did you have some accounts that got delinquent for

months at a time?

A Not too serious. I always could make some arrangements

if I have some debts.

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obligations ?

A. If they did, I didn't know it.

Q. What about the bill you owe Mr. Frankie Hemingway?

A. Mr. Frank Hemingway has not dunned. I paid him on the

dot everytime I owe him. I've got receipts to prove tha 

If he would tell you the truth, he would say I paid 

him, because I paid him as high as a hundred dollars 

a month. That looks like paying to me.

Q. Do you know he talked to the members of the school

board?

A. I am sorry if he did. Maybe somebody forced him into

telling all that kind of stuff, but it is not true.

Would you like to see the receipts? I can get them.

MR. WALKER: Just answer the questions.

A. All right, I sure will. That's something that burns

me up.

Q. (MR. BUTLER, continuing): Your brother testified

that you had a fire in Wheatley?

A. I had a fire in Brinkley.

Q. In Brinkley?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. And burned the house in which you were living in?

A. That's right.

Q. When did that happen?

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Q .  W h a t  p a r t  o f  ' 6 6 ?

A .  He s a i d  i t  w a s  i n  t h e  f a l l ,  b u t  i t  w a s  i n  A p r i l ,  I

k n o w  e x a c t l y  w h e n  i t  h a p p e n e d .

Q. I  b e l i e v e  h e  s t a t e d  t h a t  y o u  w e r e  b u y i n g  t h e  p l a c e ,

i s  t h a t  r i g h t ?

A. I  w a s .

Q. Was t h e r e  i n s u r a n c e  on  t h a t  p r o p e r t y  s u f f i c i e n t  t o

t a k e  c a r e  o f  t h e  b i l l s  - -  

A .  I t  w a s  n o t .

Q .  - -  w h i c h  y o u  o w e d ?

A .  No,  s i r ,  i t  w a s  n o t .

Q .  How m u c h  d i d  i t  l a c k ?

A. W e l l  a t  t h e  t i m e  t h e  h o u s e  b u r n e d ,  I  j u s t  d o n ' t  r e m e m b e r

e x a c t l y ,  b u t  i t  w a s n ' t  e n o u g h  t o  t a k e  c a r e  o f  t h e m .

Q. You d i d  h a v e  i n s u r a n c e  o n  i t ?

A. Y e s ,  s i r .

Q.  How m u c h  i n s u r a n c e  d i d  y o u  h a v e  o n  i t ?

A. I  t h i n k  i t  w a s  a r o u n d  $ 2 , 0 0 0 . 0 0 .

Q. W h a t  s i z e  h o u s e  w a s  i t ?

A. I t  w a s  j u s t  a  f o u r - r o o m  f r a m e  h o u s e .

Q. Now, M r s .  M e e k s ,  y o u  d i d  b u s i n e s s  w i t h  D i x i e  F u r n i t u r e

C om pany  i n  B r i n k l e y  f r o m  t i m e  t o  t i m e ?

A. Y e s ,  s i r ,  I  s u r e  h a v e ,  I  am d o i n g  b u s i n e s s  w i t h  t h e m

r i g h t  now .

Q. H a v e  y o u  b e e n  b e h i n d  o v e r  t h e  y e a r s  w i t h  y o u r  a c c o u n t

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with them?

A. No, sir, I am not behind, but I can always make arrange

ments to keep my business straight.

Q. Did it become necessary from time to time for these

people, in order for you to make your arrangements, 

to contact the people you were working for?

A. If they contacted them I didn't know it.

Q. You didn't know that?

A. I didn't know it.

Q. Mr. Richardson didn't tell you that?

A. Only one time Mr. Jackson told me what he mentioned to

him, and Mr. Jackson told me what he said one time, 

and that was the only time.

Q. Did you have some business with a finance company that

garnisheed your checks?

A. I never had a check garnisheed in my life.

MR. WALKER: There is no showing of any

garnishment.

A. I have not. I don't know where that come from.

Q. (MR.' BUTLER, continuing): I just asked you.

A. No, sir, I haven't. It might have been mentioned, but

it is not the truth.

Q. And you don't recall the school board paying two weeks

of your salary on that garnishment proceeding?

A. They said they paid two weeks salary?

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Q .  Y e s .

A .  I f  t h e y  d i d ,  t h e y  d i d n ' t  t e l l  me n o t h i n g  a b o u t  i t .

Q .  You h a v e n ' t  m i s s e d  a  p a y  d a y ?

A. I  o n l y  g o t  w h a t  t h e y  p r o m i s e d  me,  o r  w h a t  I  w a s  s u p p o s e d

t o  b e  g e t t i n g ,  I  r e c k o n .

Q. S i n c e  y o u  a r e  n o  l o n g e r  c o n n e c t e d  w i t h  t h e  W h e a t l e y

S c h o o l  D i s t r i c t  t h e y  r e c e i v e d  a l e t t e r  f r o m  t h e  F o r r e s t  

V i e w  C l i n i c  i n  F o r r e s t  C i t y  a b o u t  a  b a l a n c e  t h a t  y o u  

owe t h e m .

MR. WALKER: Y o u r  H o n o r ,  o b j e c t i o n .  M r .  B u t l e r

i s  s t a t i n g  t h i s  a s  a  f a c t ,  a n d  i t  h a s  n o t  b e e n  e s t a b l i s h  

a s  a  f a c t  a t  t h i s  p o i n t .

MR. BUTLER: T h e r e  i s  a  l e t t e r  o v e r  h e r e ,  a n

e x h i b i t .  I t  w a s  p u t  i n  t h e  r e c o r d .

MR. WALKER: I  am s o r r y ,  I  w i t h d r a w  my

o b j e c t i o n .  I  t h o u g h t  t h a t  w a s  a n o t h e r  o n e .

Q. (MR. BUTLER, c o n t i n u i n g ) :  Do y o u  r e c a l l  how l o n g  t h a t

b a l a n c e  a t  F o r r e s t  V i e w  C l i n i c  h a s  b e e n  o v e r d u e ?

A .  W e l l ,  I  j u s t  d o n ' t  r e m e m b e r  e x a c t l y ,  b u t  I  k n o w  a b o u t  i t

Q.  I t  h a s  b e e n  d u e  f o r  s o m e t i m e ,  h a s n ' t  i t ?

A. I  j u s t  d o n ' t  r e m e m b e r  e x a c t l y  how l o n g .

Q. Now, d i d  y o u  e v e r  owe L a n e  B r y a n t ,  I n c o r p o r a t e d ,  o f

I n d i a n a p o l i s ,  I n d i a ?

A. I  owe t h e m  a  b a l a n c e  now .

Q. You owe t h e m  a b a l a n c e  now?

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Q. D i d  y o u  owe t h e m  som e m o n e y  b a c k  t o  O c t o b e r ,  1 9 6 7 ?

A. ' 6 7 ,  I  c o u l d n ' t  t e l l  y o u  u n l e s s  I  g o  l o o k  a t  my b i l l s .

Q.  I  h a n d  y o u  a  l e t t e r  w h i c h  w a s  s e n t  t o  t h e  P e r s o n n e l

M a n a g e r  o f  t h e  W h e a t l e y  S c h o o l  D i s t r i c t  N o .  2 8 ,  O c t o b e r ,  

1 9 6 7  .

A.  T h a t  i s  t h e  o n e  M r .  R i c h a r d s o n  t o l d  M r .  J a c k s o n  a b o u t ,

t h a t  i s  a l l  I  r e m e m b e r  a b o u t  i t .

Q.  W h a t  w a s  t h e  n a t u r e  o f  t h a t  o b l i g a t i o n ?

A. W h a t  d i d  y o u  h a v e  r e f e r e n c e  t o ?

Q. W h a t  w a s  t h e  s i z e  o f  i t  a n d  how  f a r  o v e r d u e  w a s  i t ?

A. W e l l ,  I  w i l l  h a v e  t o  g o  b a c k  a n d  l o o k  t o  f i n d  o u t .

Q.  T h i s  l e t t e r  t o  t h e  s c h o o l  d i s t r i c t  s t a t e s  t h a t  t h e

a c c o u n t  h a s  b e e n  d e l i n q u e n t  - -

MR. WALKER: Y o u r  H o n o r ,  I  w o u l d  h a v e  t o  o b j e c t

t o  t h e  r e a d i n g  o f  t h e  l e t t e r  u n l e s s  i t  i s  p r o p e r l y  

i d e n t i f i e d  a n d  i n t r o d u c e d .

MR. BUTLER: We w i l l  d o  t h a t  a t  t h e  p r o p e r  t i m e .

MR. WALKER: We w i l l  o b j e c t  t o  a n y  t e s t i m o n y

a b o u t  i t  a t  t h i s  t i m e .

Q. (MR. BUTLER, c o n t i n u i n g ) :  Now, M r s .  M e e k s ,  w h e r e  a r e

y o u  t e a c h i n g  now?

A. Brinkley.

Q. What is your salary?

A. X t h i n k  i t  i s  t h e  sam e  a s  my b r o t h e r  t o l d  y o u  h i s  w a s .

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$ 3 0 0 . 0 0  i f  we d o n ' t  m i s s  n o  d a y s .

Q. How l o n g  h a v e  y o u  b e e n  w o r k i n g  t h e r e ,  t h e  sam e  p e r i o d

o f  t i m e  h e  h a s ?

A . T h a t 1s  r i g h t .

Q . A f t e r  y o u  w e r e  n o t i f i e d  y o u  w o u l d  n o t  b e  r e h i r e d  f o r

t h e  y e a r  ' 6 8 - 6 9 ,  d i d  y o u  t r y  t o  g e t  s i m i l a r  m o r e  w o r k  

e l s e w h e r e ?

A. W e l l ,  I  s u r e  d i d .

MR. BUTLER: I  b e l i e v e  t h a t  i s  a l l .

CROSS EXAMINATION

BY MR. WALKER:

Q. M r s .  M e e k s ,  p r i o r  t o  t h e  t i m e  t h a t  y o u r  h o u s e  w a s  b u r n e c

h a d  y o u  r e c e i v e d  a n y  c o m p l a i n t s  f r o m  M r . R i c h a r d s o n  o r  

t h e  p r e v i o u s  s u p e r i n t e n d e n t s  a b o u t  y o u r  c r e d i t ?

A . N one  a t  a l l .

Q.  Had y o u  h a d  a n y  s u b s t a n t i a l  d i f f i c u l t y  w i t h  c r e d i t o r s

p r i o r  t o  t h a t  t i m e ?

A. No,  I  s u r e  h a v e n ' t , .

Q.  So  a n y  p r o b l e m s  t h a t  y o u  h a d  w i t h  r e g a r d  t o  c r e d i t o r s

t o o k  p l a c e  a f t e r  y o u  h a d  t h e  u n f o r t u n a t e  f i r e ,  i s  t h a t  

c o r r e c t ?

A. T h a t ' s  r i g h t .  The  f i r e ,  a n d  d o c t o r  b i l l s  a n d  s e n d i n g

t h e  c h i l d r e n  t o  s c h o o l  h a s  c a u s e d  me t o  h a v e  f i n a n c i a l  

p r o b l e m s  r i g h t  t o d a y .  I  h a d  a l l  t h o s e  t h i n g s  c o n f r o n t -

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i n g  me; t h r e e  c h i l d r e n ,  tw o  c h i l d r e n  i n  c o l l e g e  a n d  

o n e  i n  h i g h  s c h o o l ,  a n d  t h e n  t h e  d o c t o r  b i l l s ,  t h e  

c h i l d r e n  b e e n  s i c k ,  b i g  d o c t o r  b i l l s ,  a n d  p a y i n g  on 

t h e  h o u s e  a n d  a l l  t h o s e  t h i n g s  c o u l d  c a u s e  a  p e r s o n  t o  

b e c o m e  i n  d e b t ,  a n d  t h e n  n o  j o b ,  t o o .

Q. How m u c h  w o u l d  y o u  h a v e  e a r n e d  i f  y o u  h a d  b e e n  w o r k i n g

i n  t h e  W h e a t l e y  S c h o o l  D i s t r i c t  t h i s  y e a r ,  t o  t h e  b e s t  

o f  y o u r  k n o w l e d g e ?

A .  To t h e  b e s t  o f  my k n o w l e d g e  - -

Q. W h a t  d i d  y o u  e a r n  l a s t  y e a r ?

A. $ 5 , 5 0 0 . 0 0 .

Q. S o  y o u  w o u l d  h a v e  e a r n e d  a t  l e a s t  t h a t  t h i s  y e a r ,  i s

t h a t  c o r r e c t ?

A. Y e a h ,  I  h o p e  I  c o u l d  h a v e  e a r n e d  t h a t ,  i f  I  w o r k e d .

Q. W i t h  r e g a r d  t o  M r s .  M i t t i e  J a c k s o n ,  d i d  y o u  h a v e

o c c a s i o n  t o  o b s e r v e  h e r  w o r k  w h i l e  y o u  w e r e  e m p l o y e d  

t h e r e  i n  t h e  W h e a t l e y  S c h o o l  S y s t e m ?

A. I  s u r e  d i d .

Q. D i d  y o u  o b s e r v e  h e r  t o  b e  f r e q u e n t l y  t a r d y  o r  a b s e n t ?

A .  W e l l /  t o  my own o p i n i o n  t h a t ' s  n o t  t u r e .

Q. Do y o u  r e c a l l  r e c e i v i n g  a n y  c o m p l a i n t s  y o u r s e l f  a b o u t

t h e  w o r k  o f  M r .  J a c k s o n ?

A .  I  s u r e  h a v e n ' t .

Q .  Do y o u  kn o w  how t e a c h e r s  a t  t h e  W h e a t l e y  C e n t r a l  S c h o o l

o b t a i n e d  n e e d e d  m a t e r i a l s  a n d  s u p p l i e s ?

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Q . How d o  t h e y  d o  t h a t ?

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m a t e r i a l s  f o r  o u r  own c l a s s r o o m s  o u t  o f  o u r  own p o c k e t .  

T h e  o n l y  t i m e  I  w a s  e v e r  g i v e n  t h i n g s  i s  w h e n  t h e y  

s t a r t e d  t h e  T i t l e  I  p r o g r a m .  B u t  b e f o r e  t h e n ,  we 

p r a c t i c a l l y  h a d  t o  b u y  e v e r y t h i n g  we n e e d e d .

Q. By T i t l e  I ,  d o  y o u  h a v e  r e f e r e n c e  t o  T i t l e  I  o f  P u b l i c

Law 8 9 1 0  a s  t h e  e l e m e n t a r y  a n d  s e c o n d a r y - e d u c a t i o n  a c t ?

A .  I  s u r e  d i d .

MR. WALKER: No m o r e  q u e s t i o n s .

REGROSS EXAMINATION

BY MR. BUTLER:

Q .  M r s .  M e e k s ,  I  w a n t  t o  c o r r e c t  o n e  t h i n g .  I  w o u l d  l i k e

t o  b e  s u r e  a b o u t  t h i s .  I  b e l i e v e  y o u  s t a t e d  y o u r  a g e  

w a s  f o r t y - s i x ?

A. (No r e s p o n s e . )

MRo WALKER: Y o u r  H o n o r ,  h e r  a g e  i s  a l r e a d y  i n .

q .  (MR. BUTLER, c o n t i n u i n g ) :  I  w o u l d  l i k e  y o u  t o  c h e c k

y o u r ' c e r t i f i c a t e  b y  t h e  A r k a n s a s  D e p a r t m e n t  o f  E d u c a t i o n  

N o v e m b e r  1 4 ,  1 9 6 3 ,  a n d  w h a t  d i d  y o u  g i v e  a s  y o u r  a g e  

a s  t h e n ?

m j  g a v e  my c o r r e c t  a g e ,  a n d  i t  i s n  t  on  c o r r e c t .  I

k n o w  w h a t  my b i r t h d a y  i s  o n .

Q . Doesn’t this certificate show that you were forty-seven

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i n  1 9 6 3 ?

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g o t  a  l o t  o n  my m i n d ,  a n d  t h i n g s  a r e  c o n f u s i n g .

Q. Do y o u  m i n d  m a k i n g  t h i s  c e r t i f i c a t e  a n  e x h i b i t  t o  y o u r

t e s t i m o n y ?

MR. WALKER: I  w i l l  a g r e e  t o  t h a t  a n d  h a v e  i t

a d m i t t e d .

(WHEREUPON, t h e  d o c u m e n t  w a s  
m a r k e d  D e f e n d a n t s 1 E x h i b i t  6 f o r  
i d e n t i f i c a t i o n ,  r e c e i v e d  i n  e v i d e n c e  
a n d  m a d e  a  p a r t  o f  t h e  r e c o r d  h e r e o f . )

Q . (MR. BUTLER, c o n t i n u i n g ) :  I  a l s o  h a v e  h e r e  a s t u d e n t ' s

p e r m a n e n t  r e c o r d  a n d  c o p y  o f  a  t r a n s c r i p t  f r o m  P h i l a n d e i  

S m i t h  C o l l e g e ,  L i t t l e  R o c k ,  a n d  a s k  y o u  t o  l o o k  a t  t h a t  

a n d  s e e  w h a t  y o u  g a v e  a s  y o u r  b i r t h  d a t e  a t  t h a t  t i m e ?

A. I  c a n ' t  h a v e  b u t  o n e  b i r t h  d a t e ,  a n d  i t  m u s t  h a v e  g o t

m i x e d  u p  i n  g i v i n g  i t  d i f f e r e n t  t i m e s .

Q. On t h a t  S t u d e n t ' s  P e r m a n e n t  R e c o r d  t h a t  I  h a v e  m e n t i o n e d

h e r e ,  d o e s  i t  s h o w  t h e  d a t e  o f  y o u r  b i r t h  d a t e  a s  

A p r i l  1 8 ,  1 9 1 6 ?

A. I t  s a y s  s o  on  h e r e .

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e s t a b l i s h e d  t h a t  i s  a  s t u d e n t ' s  p e r m a n e n t  r e c o r d .  I  am 

s u r e  h e  h a s  a  c o p y ,  b u t  t h e r e  h a s  b e e n  n o  i d e n t i f i c a t i o r  

o f  i t ,  a n d  s h e  c e r t a i n l y  h a s  n o  w a y  o f  v e r i f y i n g  i t s  

a u t h e n t i c i t y .  I ,  o f  c o u r s e ,  w o u l d  n o t  o b j e c t  t o  i t .

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MRo BUTLER: You o b j e c t  t o  t h e  i n t r o d u c t i o n  o f

i t  a s  a n  e x h i b i t  t o  h e r  t e s t i m o n y ?

MR„ WALKER: No,  I  w o u l d  n o t  o b j e c t  t o  i t .

Q .  (MR. BUTLER, c o n t i n u i n g ) :  W o u l d  y o u  m a k e  t h i s  a n  e x h i b i

t o  y o u r  t e s t i m o n y  a s  a  w i t n e s s ?

A. I  s u r e  d o .

(WHEREUPON, t h e  d o c u m e n t  w a s  
m a r k e d  D e f e n d a n t s '  E x h i b i t  7 f o r  
i d e n t i f i c a t i o n ,  r e c e i v e d  i n  e v i d e n c e  
a n d  m a de  a  p a r t  o f  t h e  r e c o r d  h e r e o f . )

MR. BUTLER: I  b e l i e v e  t h a t  i s  a l l .

RECROSS EXAMINATION

BY MR. WALKER:

Q. L e t ' s  g e t  t h i s  c l e a r e d  u p ,  M r s .  M e e k s ,  i f  y o u  d o n ' t

m i n d .  I  k n o w  a  woman d o e s n ' t  l i k e  t o  b e  a s k e d  h e r  a g e ,  

b u t  w h a t  w a s  y o u r  b i r t h  d a t e ,  u n d e r  o a t h ?

A .  I  am a c t u a l l y  f o r t y - s i x  y e a r s  o l d .

Q. B o r n  i n  1 9 2 3 ?

A. T h a t ' s  r i g h t .

Q . W h a t  m o n t h ?

A .  A p r i l .

Q.  S o ,  t h a t  i s  1 9 2 2 ,  a n d  y o u  w i l l  b e  f o r t y - s e v e n  t h i s

A p r i l .  Now a t  t h e  t i m e  y o u  may h a v e  g i v e n  a n y o n e  y o u r  

a g e  i n  t h e  p a s t  d i d  y o u  e x e r c i s e  y o u r  w o m a n ' s  p r e r o g a ­

t i v e  n o t  t o  a c t u a l l y  g i v e  y o u r  a g e ,  t h a t  i s ,  c o u l d  y o u  

h a v e  d o n e  t h a t ?

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Q. D i d  y o u  f i l l  t h i s  f o r m  o u t  h e r e  y o u r s e l f ,  o r  w a s  t h i s

f i l l e d  o u t  t o  t h e  b e s t  o f  y o u r  k n o w l e d g e  b y  t h e  

o f f i c i a l s  o f  P h i l a n d e r  S m i t h  C o l l e g e ?

A. By t h e  o f f i c i a l s ,  I  n e v e r  h a d  my h a n d s  on  t h a t  a t  a l l .

T h a t  c a m e  d i r e c t  f r o m  t h e  c o l l e g e .

Q. I  n o t i c e  t h i s  S t u d e n t ' s  P e r m a n e n t  R e c o r d  s e t s  o u t  t h a t

y o u  s a t i s f a c t o r i l y  c o m p l e t e d  a l l  t h e  c o u r s e s  a t  

P h i l a n d e r  S m i t h  C o l l e g e ?

A . T h a t 1s  r i g h t .

Q .  W i t h  r e g a r d  t o  D e f e n d a n t s '  E x h i b i t  6 ,  w h i c h  s e t s  o u t

y o u r  a g e  a s  f o r t y - s e v e n ,  d i d  y o u  f i l l  t h i s  o u t  y o u r s e l f ;

A .  N o ,  I  s u r e  d i d n ' t .

Q.  Do y o u  k n o w  how t h i s  i n f o r m a t i o n  g o t  on t h e r e ?

A. N o ,  I  c o u l d n ' t  s a y .  You kn o w  s o m e t i m e s  t h o s e  t h i n g s

g e t  m i x e d  u p ,  g i v i n g  y o u r  a g e  a n d  a l l .

Q .  You a r e  u n d e r  o a t h  t o d a y  a n d  y o u  a r e  g i v i n g  t e s t i m o n y

t h a t  y o u  w e r e  b o r n  t o  t h e  b e s t  o f  y o u r  r e c o l l e c t i o n  

i n  1 9 2 2 ?

A . T h a t ' s  r i g h t .

MRo WALKER: T h a n k  y o u .

THE COURT: Who d o  y o u  w o r k  f o r  now?

A. F o r  t h e  B r i n k l e y  S c h o o l  D i s t r i c t  u n d e r  M r .  S m i t h .

THE COURT: T h a t  i s  t h e  p u b l i c  s c h o o l  d i s t r i c t ?

A .  No,  s i r ,  w e l l  i t ' s  a  p u b l i c  s c h o o l  t o o ,  b u t  I  am

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t e a c h i n g  b a s i c  e d u c a t i o n .

THE COURT: Y e s ,  I  u n d e r s t a n d  t h a t ,  b u t  y o u

a r e  w o r k i n g  f o r  t h e  p u b l i c  s c h o o l  d i s t r i c t  a t  B r i n k l e y ?  

A .  T h a t ' s  r i g h t ,  u n d e r  M r .  S m i t h .  H e ' s  s u p e r i n t e n d e n t  o f

t h e  p u b l i c  s c h o o l s .

THE COURT: M r .  S m i t h  i s  s u p e r i n t e n d e n t  o f  t h e

B r i n k l e y  p u b l i c  s c h o o l s ?

A. Y e s ,  s i r .

THE COURT: A n y t h i n g  f u r t h e r .  G e n t l e m e n ?

MR. WALKER: We h a v e  n o t h i n g ,  Y o u r  H o n o r .

MR. BUTLER: No f u r t h e r  q u e s t i o n s .

THE COURT: You m ay  s t a n d  a s i d e .

WHEREUPON,

BOBBY M ICHAELIS, o n e  o f  t h e  d e f e n d a n t s ,  c a l l e d  o n  

b e h a l f  o f  t h e  d e f e n d a n t s ,  b e i n g  d u l y  s w o r n ,  t e s t i f i e d  

a s  f o l l o w s :

DIRECT EXAMINATION

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Q „ S t a t e  y o u r  f u l l  n a m e ,  p l e a s e  s i r ?

A. B o b b y  J a m e s  M i c h a e l i s .

Q.  How o l d  a r e  y o u ,  M r .  M i c h a e l i s ?

A. T h i r t y - e i g h t .

Q .  W h e r e  d o  y o u  r e s i d e ?

A .  G o o d w i n ,  A r k a n s a s .

Q. A r e  y o u  o n e  o f  t h e  d e f e n d a n t s  i n  t h i s  c a s e ,  a n d  a  membei

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o f  t h e  W h e a t l e y  S c h o o l  B o a r d ?

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Q.  How l o n g  h a v e  y o u  b e e n  a  m e m b e r  o f  t h e  W h e a t l e y  S c h o o l

B o a r d ?

A. T e n  y e a r s  i n  S e p t e m b e r ,  I  b e l i e v e .

Q. You h a v e  b e e n  o n  c o n t i n u o u s l y  f o r  t h e  p a s t  t e n  y e a r s ?

A. T h a t ' s  r i g h t .

Q.  A r e  y o u  t h e  o l d e s t  m e m b e r  o f  t h e  b o a r d  a t  t h i s  t i m e

a c c o r d i n g  t o  t e n u r e  —  a r e  y o u  t h e  o l d e s t  m e m b e r  o f  t h e  

b o a r d ,  f r o m  t h e  s t a n d p o i n t  o f  s e r v i c e  o n  t h e  b o a r d ?

A. T h a t ' s  r i g h t .

Q.  W h a t  i s  y o u r  b u s i n e s s ,  M r .  M i c h a e l i s ?

A .  F a r m i n g .

Q . And how  l o n g  h a v e  y o u  b e e n  f a r m i n g  i n  t h e  W h e a t l e y

a n d  G o o d w i n  c o m m u n i t y ?

A. A b o u t  t w e n t y - o n e  y e a r s .

Q. W h a t  i s  t h e  n a t u r e  a n d  e x t e n t  o f  y o u r  o p e r a t i o n ?

A. A p p r o x i m a t e l y  700  a c r e s .

Q. You h a v e  a  f a m i l y ?

A .  Y e s ,  s i r .

Q.  W i f e  a n d  c h i l d r e n ?

A .  W i f e  a n d  t h r e e  k i d s .

Q. W h a t  a r e  t h e i r  a g e s ?

A. F o u r t e e n ,  t w e l v e  a n d  t h r e e  a n d  a  h a l f .

Q.  W h a t  i s  y o u r  c h u r c h  a f f i l i a t i o n ?

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Q. While I am on that, there is one thing I forgot to ask

Mr. Wheeler this morning and I would like to know if you 

know. Do you know whether or not Mr. Wheeler is 

connected with the city council of the town of Wheatley?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. He is a member of the council?

A. He is a member of the city council in Wheatley.

Q. I believe you stated you are a Methodist?

A. Right.

Q. What is Mr. Wheeler’s denomination?

A. He 1s a Methodist.

Q. What position does he hold with the Methodist. Church

of Wheatley?

A. I believe that Mr. Wheeler is an official, I am not

sure.

Q. If you don't know, don't say. I thought you knew.

If you don't know, that is all right. Now, Mr. Michae- 

lis, you have been here in the room all day today in 

the courtroom, and heard various testimony in regard 

to the termination of the contracts of L. R. Jackson, 

Mrs. Mittie Jackson, Mrs. Malissa Meeks and Marvin E. 

Coleman. Were you on the school board most of the time 

they were serving the Wheatley School District, as 

teachers at Wheatley Central?

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Q. D u r i n g  t h i s  p e r i o d  o f  t i m e  d i d  t h e  b o a r d  h a v e  a n y

c o m p l a i n t s  a b o u t  a n y  o f  t h e s e  t e a c h e r s ?

A. Y e s ,  s i r .

Q.  T e l l  t h e  C o u r t  w h e t h e r  t h e r e  w e r e  m a n y  o r  f e w .

A. T h e y  w e r e  n u m e r o u s .

Q. A b o u t  a l l  o f  t h e m ,  o r  a n y  p a r t i c u l a r  o n e s ?

A .  I  w o u l d  s a y  t h r e e  o f  t h e m .

Q. Which three, Mr. Michaelis?

A. L. R. Jackson, Mrs. Jackson and Miss Malissa Meeks.

Q .  W h a t  w a s  t h e  n a t u r e  o f  t h e s e  c o m p l a i n t s ,  w e r e  t h e y

a l w a y s  i n  w r i t i n g  o r  d o c u m e n t e d  a s  t o  r e c o r d ?

A. N o ,  t h e  o n l y  r e c o r d s  I  s a w  i s  on  i n d e b t e d n e s s .  T h e y

w o u l d n ' t  p a y  t h e i r  b i l l s .

Q .  T h e y  w o u l d n ' t  p a y  t h e i r  b i l l s .  W h a t  w a s  t h e  n a t u r e

o f  t h e  o t h e r  c o m p l a i n t s ?

A. T h e r e  w a s  some d i s s a t i s f a c t i o n  am ong  t h e  p e o p l e ,  t h e

c o l o r e d  p e o p l e  i n  t h e  c o m m u n i t y .

Q. I t  h a s  b e e n  p u t  i n  t h e  r e c o r d  h e r e  a n  e x h i b i t

i d e n t i f i e d  a s  P l a i n t i f f s '  E x h i b i t  N o .  7 ,  w h i c h  i s  a  

c o p y  o f  t h e  m i n u t e s  o f  t h e  s c h o o l  b o a r d  m e e t i n g  on  

A p r i l  1 1 ,  1 9 6 0 .  W e r e  y o u  on  t h e  b o a r d  a t  t h a t  t i m e ?

A. I was.
Q. These minutes refer to a hearing that the board had

on some complaints against L. R. Jackson.

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MR. WALKER: Y o u r  H o n o r ,  I  o b j e c t  t o  t h e

c h a r a c t e r i z a t i o n  " h e a r i n g . "

Q. (MR. BUTLER, c o n t i n u i n g ) :  W e re  y o u  p r e s e n t  a t  t h a t

m e e t i n g ?

A. Y e s ,  s i r .

MRo WALKER: Now, Y o u r  H o n o r ,  I  d o n ' t  t h i n k

t h a t  i s  w h a t  t h o s e  m i n u t e s  s a y .  I t  s a y s  t h e y  m e t  w i t h  

some p e o p l e ,  i t  d o e s n ' t  s a y  t h e r e  w a s  a  h e a r i n g .

A h e a r i n g  h a d  h a s  o t h e r  c o n t e x t .

THE COURT: The  e x h i b i t  s p e a k s  f o r  i t s e l f ,  M r .

W a l k e r .  T h e r e  w a s  a  m e e t i n g ,  y o u  c a n  c a l l  i t  a  h e a r i n g .  

T h e y  m e t  w i t h  t h e  s c h o o l  b o a r d .  You  c a n  a s k  h i m  a b o u t

i t .

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f r o m  t h i s  e x h i b i t  s a y s  t h a t  " s e v e r a l  c o l o r e d  c i t i z e n s  

m e t  w i t h  t h e  b o a r d  a n d  v o i c e d  t h e i r  c o m p l a i n t s  o f  L .  R.  

J a c k s o n ,  p r i n c i p a l  o f  t h e  c o l o r e d  s c h o o l .  D u e  c o n s i d e r s  

t i o n  w a s  g i v e n  t o  t h e i r  c o m p l a i n t s ,  b u t  n o  a c t i o n  

w a s  t a k e n .  I t  w a s  s u g g e s t e d  t h a t  M r .  S t e e l  s t u d y  t h e  

s i t u a t i o n  a n d  d o  w h a t  h e  t h o u g h t  b e s t  f o r  t h e  s c h o o l . "  

Now w a s  M r .  S t e e l  t h e  s u p e r i n t e n d e n t  o f  s c h o o l s  o f  

W h e a t l e y  a t  t h a t  t i m e ?

A .  He w a s .

Q. A c c o r d i n g  t o  y o u r  r e c o l l e c t i o n ,  w a s  M r .  J a c k s o n  p r e s e n t

a t  t h i s  m e e t i n g ?

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Who l e d  t h e  c o m p l a i n t s  a g a i n s t  h i m  a t  t h i s  m e e t i n g ?

T h e r e  w e r e  n u m e r o u s  c o m p l a i n t s .  I  b e l i e v e  o n e  o f  t h e  

p e o p l e  t h a t  s p o k e  u p  t h e  l o u d e s t  w a s  M r .  B o l e n .

M r .  J o h n  B o l e n ?

Y e s ,  s i r .

Now, M r .  M i c h a e l i s , t h e  r e c o r d s  o f  t h e  W h e a t l e y  S c h o o l  

B o a r d  r e f l e c t  a n o t h e r  m e e t i n g  o f  t h e  b o a r d  o f  M a r c h  2 5 ,  

1 9 6 4 ,  a  c o p y  o f  w h i c h  h a s  b e e n  i n t r o d u c e d  a s  P l a i n t i f f s '  

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l a s t  d a y  o r  t w o ?

Y e s ,  s i r .

W e r e  y o u  p r e s e n t  a t  t h a t  m e e t i n g ?

Y e s ,  s i r .

T h e  m i n u t e s  h e r e  r e f l e c t  t h e r e  w a s  a  d i s c u s s i o n  a n d  t h e  

b o a r d  d e c i d e d  t o  g i v e  J a c k s o n  a  c h a n c e  t o  p r e s e n t  h i s  

s i d e  o f  t h e  p r o b l e m ?

R i g h t .

Was h e  l a t e r  p e r m i t t e d  t o  com e b e f o r e  t h e  b o a r d  a n d  

d i s c u s s  t h i s  p a r t i c u l a r  p r o b l e m  a t  t h a t  t i m e ?

T h e  p r o b l e m s  w e r e  t o o k  c a r e  o f  b y  t h e  s u p e r i n t e n d e n t .

I  d o n ' t  b e l i e v e  t h e  b o a r d  m e t  a g a i n  o n  t h e  s u b j e c t .

T h e  a d d e n d u m  h e r e  t o  t h e  m i n u t e s  s a y s ,  "M r .  J a c k s o n  

c l e a r e d  t h i s  m a t t e r  t o  t h e  s a t i s f a c t i o n  o f  t h e  b o a r d  

a n d  t h e  m a t t e r  w a s  d r o p p e d . "  Do y o u  r e c a l l  w h a t  t h i s

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w a s ,  t h i s  p a r t i c u l a r  c o m p l a i n t ?

A .  T h e r e  w e r e  c o m p l a i n t s  a b o u t  h im  l e t t i n g  M r s .  J a c k s o n

com e t o  s c h o o l  w h e n  s h e  w a n t e d  t o ;  c o m p l a i n t s  a b o u t  t h e i r  

n o t  p a y i n g  t h e i r  b i l l s .  We h a d  n u m e r o u s  c o m p l a i n t s  

o v e r  a  p e r i o d  o f  y e a r s ,  p e o p l e  w a n t i n g  t o  g a r n i s h e e  

t h e i r  w a g e s ,  w h i c h  y o u  c a n n o t  d o ,  a s  a  s c h o o l  t e a c h e r ,

I  u n d e r s t a n d .

Q. D i d  y o u  a s  a  b o a r d  m e m b e r  h a v e  f e w  o r  m a n y  c o m p l a i n t s

t o  y o u  p e r s o n a l l y  a b o u t  t h i s  o u t s i d e  t h e  r e g u l a r  s c h o o l  

b o a r d  m e e t i n g s ?

A. Y e s .

Q . I  s a y  d i d  y o u  h a v e  f e w  o r  m a n y ?

A .  S i r ?

Q. D i d  y o u  h a v e  f e w  o r  m a n y ?

A. M a n y .

Q. How o f t e n  w e r e  t h e  f i n a n c i a l  e n t a n g l e m e n t s  o f

M r s .  J a c k s o n  a n d  M r s .  M e e k s  d i s c u s s e d  a t  b o a r d  m e e t i n g s ?

MR. WALKER: O b j e c t i o n ,  u n l e s s  h e  h a s  some

k n o w l e d g e ,  Y o u r  H o n o r .

A. I  c o u l d n ' t  s a y  e x a c t l y ,  i t  c am e  u p  f r o m  t i m e  t o  t i m e .

O v e r  t h e  t e n - y e a r  p e r i o d  I  h a v e  b e e n  on  t h e  b o a r d ,

I  w o u l d  s a y  e v e r  y e a r  we h a d  some c o m p l a i n t s .  Some 

y e a r s  m o r e  t h a n  o t h e r s .

q _ (MR. BUTLER, c o n t i n u i n g ) :  Now i n  1 9 6 7 - 6 8  d i d  t h e  s c h o o . .

b o a r d  e l e c t  t o  u s e  f r e e d o m - o f - c h o i c e  p r o c e d u r e  f o r

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t h o s e  c h i l d r e n  i n  t h e  e l e m e n t a r y  s c h o o l s  o f  W h e a t l e y ?

A. T h a t  i s  c o r r e c t .

Q.  When w e r e  t h o s e  n o t i c e s  o r  r e q u e s t s  s e n t  o u t  f o r  a n

e x e r c i s e  o f  a  c h o i c e ?

A. Run t h a t  b y  a g a i n ?

Q. When w e r e  t h e  r e q u e s t s  s e n t  o u t ?

A. F i r s t  o f  M a r c h .

Q. When t h e n  d i d  t h e  b o a r d  a c t  on  t h e  r e t u r n  o f  t h e

a n s w e r s  t o  t h e s e  r e q u e s t s  f o r  f r e e d o m  o f  c h o i c e ?

A. I  w o u l d  s a y  t h e  2 n d  o f  A p r i l *  o r  s o m e t h i n g  l i k e  t h a t .

Q .  How m u c h  t i m e  d i d  t h e y  h a v e  i n  w h i c h  t o  m a k e  t h e i r

s e l e c t i o n ?

A. T h i r t y  d a y s .

Q. Now, a c c o r d i n g  t o  t h e  m i n u t e s  o f  t h e  b o a r d  o n  M a r c h  1 1 ,

1 9 6 8 ,  a  c o p y  o f  w h i c h  i s  e x h i b i t e d  t o  p l a i n t i f f s 5 

t e s t i m o n y ,  i t  i s  i n d i c a t e d  t h a t  o n  t h a t  n i g h t  t h e  

b o a r d  m o v e d  t o  r e h i r e  c e r t a i n  t e a c h e r s  f o r  t h e  y e a r  

1 9 6 8 - 6 9 ,  a n d  t o  d i s p e n s e  w i t h  t h e  s e r v i c e s  o f  o t h e r  

t e a c h e r s  ?

A. Y e s , ' s i r .

Q.  A t  t h a t  t i m e ,  on  M a r c h  1 1 t h ,  h a d  t h e  b o a r d  d e c i d e d  t o

move W h e a t l e y  C e n t r a l  o v e r  t o  W h e a t l e y  E l e m e n t a r y ?

A .  N o .

Q. Why h a d  t h e y  n o t  d e c i d e d  t o  d o  t h a t ?

A. I t  w a s  n o t  knowi e x a c t l y  how m a n y  p u p i l s  w o u l d  b e  l e f t

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i n  t h e  s y s t e m .

W h a t  d i d  d e v e l o p  u n d e r  f r e e d o m - o f - c h o i c e  - -  how  m a n y  

p u p i l s  e l e c t e d  t o  l e a v e  W h e a t l e y  C e n t r a l  a n d  g o  t o  

W h e a t l e y  E l e m e n t a r y ?

I  d o n ' t  k n o w  t h e  n u m b e r  t h a t  e l e c t e d  t o  l e a v e ,  b u t  t h e  

n u m b e r  t h a t  w a s  l e f t  dow n  t h e r e  w a s  a b o u t  t h i r t y - t w o  

s t u d e n t s  o f  a l l  d i f f e r e n t  g r a d e s .

T h i r t y - t w o  s t u d e n t s  s p r e a d  o u t  t h r o u g h o u t  t h e  f i v e  

g r a d e s  ?

R i g h t .

T h e n  w h a t  d i d  t h e  b o a r d  d e c i d e  t o  d o  w h e n  t h e y  f o u n d  o u t  

t h e  o u t c o m e  o f  t h e  f r e e d o m - o f - c h o i c e  s e l e c t i o n ?

We f e l t  t h e r e  w a s  n o  w a y  t o  p a y  t e a c h e r s  t o  t e a c h  s u c h  

f e w  p u p i l s  p e r  g r a d e ,  w h i c h  t h e r e  w a s  a b o u t  s i x ,  a n d  

we h a d  t o  d i s c o n t i n u e  C e n t r a l  S c h o o l .

A nd  w a s  t h a t  m a d e  o f f i c i a l  a t  y o u r  m e e t i n g  o f  t h e  

s c h o o l  b o a r d  o n  t h e  n i g h t  o f  A p r i l  2 ,  1 9 6 8 ?

R i g h t .

D i d  M r .  S .  M. K e n n e d y ,  who i s  S u p e r i n t e n d e n t  o f  

S c h o o l s  p r e s e n t l y ,  h a v e  a n y t h i n g  t o  d o  w i t h  t h e  h i r i n g  

o r  t h e  d e c i s i o n  t o  t e r m i n a t e  t h e  c o n t r a c t s  o f  t h e s e  

p e o p l e  p r i o r  t o  h i s  o f f i c i a l l y  b e c o m i n g  a  m e m b e r  o f  t h e  

s c h o o l  f a c u l t y ?

N o .  He w a s  c o n s u l t e d  on  t h e  m a t t e r ,  b u t  h e  h a d  n o  

o f f i c i a l  —

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Q. D i d  h e  h a v e  a n y t h i n g  t o  d o  w i t h  t h e  d e t e r m i n a t i o n  n o t

t o  r e h i r e  Mrs. J a c k s o n ,  M r .  J a c k s o n  a n d  M r s .  M e e k s ?

A .  N o .

Q. D i d  h e  h a v e  a n y t h i n g  t o  d o  w i t h  t h e  d e t e r m i n a t i o n  n o t

t o  r e h i r e  M r .  C o l e m a n .

A. N o .

Q. Now t h e r e  w a s  a  b o a r d  m e e t i n g  o n  A p r i l  2 9 ,  1 9 6 8 ,  a  c o p y

o f  t h e  r e c o r d  o f  w h i c h  h a s  b e e n  m a d e  a n  e x h i b i t  t o  t h e  

t e s t i m o n y  i n  t h i s  c a s e ,  w h i c h  s t a t e s  t h a t  t h e  b o a r d  m e t  

w i t h  f o u r  t e a c h e r s  who h a d  b e e n  r e l e a s e d  f r o m  t h e  

W h e a t l e y  C e n t r a l  S c h o o l .  And  t h e n  f u r t h e r  s a y s ,  " a  

m o t i o n  w a s  m a de  a n d  s e c o n d e d  t o  a c c e p t  M r .  K e n n e d y ' s  

r e c o m m e n d a t i o n  on t h e  r e m a i n i n g  t e a c h e r s  t h a t  w e r e  t o  

b e  h i r e d . "  D i d  t h a t  r e f e r  t o  t e a c h e r s  t h a t  w o u l d  b e  

h i r e d  t h e r e a f t e r  i n  t h e  s c h o o l  s y s t e m ?

A. Y e s ,  s i r .

Q.  And n o t  a n y  o f  t h o s e  w h o s e  t e r m i n a t i o n  h a d  b e e n  m a i l e d

o u t , i s  t h a t  c o r r e c t ?

A. T h a t  i s  my u n d e r s t a n d i n g .

Q .  M r .  M i c h a e l i s  -  M r .  J a c k s o n ,  M r s .  M e e k s ,  M r s .  J a c k s o n ,

M r .  C o l e m a n ,  t h e  d e c i s i o n  t o  t e r m i n a t e  t h e i r  c o n t r a c t s  

a n d  n o t  r e h i r e  t h e m  f o r  t h e  n e x t  y e a r ,  w a s  t h a t  i n  a n y  

m a n n e r  b a s e d  o n  r a c e ,  c o l o r  o r  c r e e d ?

A. N o .

Q. W h a t  w e r e  t h e  r e a s o n s ?

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Q. As to whether or not he would be qualified in time?

A. That is correct.

MR. BUTLER: I believe that is all.

CROSS EXAMINATION

BY MR. WALKER:

Q. What is your education, sir?

A. Senior high.

Q. Did you finish high school, when and where?

A. Wheatley.

Q. When?

A. In 1948.

Q. Have you been to college?

A . N o .

Q. Did you have any children in school in 1960?

A. No.

Q. When did you have your first child enter school?

A. Let me see, I will have to count back fourteen years;

fourteen from sixty-nine would be 1955, I believe, yes,

I had children in school.

Q. Would you have wanted your children to attend the

Wheatley Central School in 1960?

A. No.

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s c h o o l ,  i n  1 9 6 1 ?

A. N o .

Q. 1 9 6 8 ?

A. N o .

Q . Why?

A .  B e c a u s e  o f  t h e  q u a l i f i c a t i o n s  o f  t h e  t e a c h e r s .

Q- L e t ' s  a s s u m e  t h a t  a l l  t h e  t e a c h e r s  o v e r  t h e r e  a r e  w h i t e

a n d  t h e r e  w e r e  n o  w h i t e  s t u d e n t s ,  b u t  y o u r s .  W o u l d  

y o u  h a v e  w a n t e d  y o u r  c h i l d r e n  t o  a t t e n d  t h a t  s c h o o l ?

A. Y e s .

Q .  You w o u l d  h a v e  w a n t e d  t h e m  t o  a t t e n d  t h a t  s c h o o l ?

A .  Y e s ,  i f  t h e y  w e r e  q u a l i f i e d  t e a c h e r s .

Q. How d o  y o u  d e t e r m i n e  q u a l i f i e d  t e a c h e r s ?

A .  By t h e i r  a c t i o n s  a n d  b y  t h e i r  e d u c a t i o n .

Q. A r e  y o u  c o n c e r n e d  a b o u t  e q u a l  e d u c a t i o n a l  o p p o r t u n i t i e s

f o r  a l l  p u p i l s  i n  t h e  d i s t r i c t ?

A . I  a m .

Q. Why d i d  y o u  l e t  u n q u a l i f i e d  t e a c h e r s  b e  p l a c e d  o v e r  t h e ]

i n  t h e  f i r s t  p l a c e ?

A .  I  am o n l y  o n e  m e m b e r  o n  t h e  b o a r d .

Q. T h a t ' s  n o t  my q u e s t i o n .  How d i d  t h e  b o a r d  l e t

u n q u a l i f i e d  t e a c h e r s  g e t  p l a c e d  o v e r  t h e r e  i n  t h e  f i r s t  

p l a c e ?

A. I  am o n l y  o n e  m e m b e r  o n  t h e  b o a r d .

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q u a l i f i e d  t e a c h e r s  g e t  p l a c e d  o v e r  t h e r e  i n  t h e  f i r s t  

p l a c e ?

You h i r e  p e o p l e  u p o n  r e c o m m e n d a t i o n s ,  a n d  t h e  

d e g r e e  t h e y  h a v e .  S o m e t i m e s  y o u  g o  w r o n g .

A l l  r i g h t  m a y b e  y o u  d o ,  b u t  y o u  h a v e  m a n y  o p p o r t u n i t i e s  

t o  r e c t i f y  t h a t .  Why d i d n ' t  y o u  f i r e  M r .  J a c k s o n  b e f o r e  

1 9 6 8 ?

I f  I  h a d  my w a y ,  h e  w o u l d  h a v e  b e e n .

D i d  y o u  e v e r  m a k e  a m o t i o n  a s  r e f l e c t e d  i n  t h e  b o a r d  

m i n u t e s  t o  t h e  e f f e c t  t h a t  M r .  J a c k s o n  s h o u l d  b e  f i r e d ?  

W e l l ,  w h e n  I  m a k e  a  m o t i o n  —

A n s w e r  my q u e s t i o n  " y e s "  o r  " n o " .

N o .

D i d  y o u  e v e r  m a ke  a  m o t i o n  t h a t  a n y  o n e  o f  t h e s e  

t e a c h e r s  b e  f i r e d ,  y e s  o r  n o ?

Y e s ,  w h e n  t h e y  w e r e  f i r e d .

B e f o r e  t h e n ?

N o .

B u t  y o u  w e r e n ' t  c o n c e r n e d  e n o u g h  t o  m a k e  a  m o t i o n  

b e f o r e  t h e n  t o  t h e  e f f e c t  t h a t  t h e y  b e  f i r e d ?

N o .

D i d  y o u  e v e r  g o  o v e r  t o  t h a t  s c h o o l  a n d  t a l k  t o  M r .  

J a c k s o n  a n d  o f f e r  y o u r  h e l p  w i t h  t h e  i n s t r u c t i o n a l  

p r o g r a m ?

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A .  Y e s ,  s i r .

Q .  W h o s e  c l a s s  r o o m  d i d  y o u  g o  i n ?

A .  Do w h a t ?

Q. W h o s e  c l a s s r o o m  d i d  y o u  g o  i n , a n d  w h e n ?

A .  I  b e l i e v e  I  s h o o k  h a n d s  w i t h  M r . C o l e m a n ,  a n d  I  b e l i e v e

I  t a l k e d  t o  M r s .  J a c k s o n .  I  b e l i e v e  I  t a l k e d  t o  

M r .  J a c k s o n .

Q. W hen ,  s i r ?

A .  I  c o u l d n ' t  t e l l  y o u  w h a t  y e a r .

Q.  How m a n y  y e a r s  d i d  y o u  g o  o v e r  t h e r e ,  how m a n y  t i m e s

d i d  y o u  g o  o v e r  t h e r e ?

A .  N o t  m a n y .

Q. B u t  y o u  c a n  r e m e m b e r  t h e s e  o t h e r  d a t e s ,  1 9 6 0 ,  1 9 6 4 ,

w hy  c a n ' t  y o u  r e m e m b e r  t h i s  d a t e ?

A .  D a t e s  a n d  t h i n g s  s l i p  my m i n d ,  some t h i n g s  w i l l  s t i c k

t o  y o u r  m i n d  b e t t e r  t h a n  o t h e r s .  I  c a n  r e m e m b e r  my 

b i r t h d a y ,  b u t  I  c a n ' t  r e m e m b e r  a  l o t  o f  o t h e r  p e o p l e ' s .

Q.  I  am n o t  t a l k i n g  a b o u t  y o u r  b i r t h d a y .  I  w a n t  t o  know

w h e t h e r  y o u  s a t  i n  a  c l a s s r o o m  a n d  o b s e r v e d  a  t e a c h e r  

t e a c h i n g  ?

A. Do w h a t ?

Q. D i d  y o u  e v e r  s i t  i n  a  c l a s s r o o m  a n d  o b s e r v e  a  t e a c h e r

t e a c h i n g  i n  t h a t  s c h o o l ?

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U N I T E D  STATES C O U R T  REPOR TER

F e d e r a l  B u i l d i n g

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a t  t h a t  s c h o o l ?

A .  N o .

Q. You d i d  n o t ?

A. N o .

Q. How m any  t i m e s  d i d  y o u  g o  o v e r  t o  t h a t  s c h o o l  a n d  o f f e r

M r .  J a c k s o n  y o u r  h e l p  i n  t h e  c o u r s e  o f  y o u r  t e n  y e a r s  

on  t h e  b o a r d ?

A .  M aybe  t w i c e .

Q. T w i c e  i n  t e n  y e a r s ?

A .  Y e s .

Q. How m a n y  t i m e s  d i d  y o u  g o  t o  t h e  w h i t e  s c h o o l  i n  t h e

c o u r s e  o f  t h a t  t e n  y e a r s ?

A. M ay b e  a b o u t  t h e  sam e  a m o u n t .

Q. I s n ' t  i t  t r u e  t h a t  y o u  h e l d  t h e  b o a r d  m e e t i n g s  i n  t h a t

s c h o o l ?

A. T h a t ' s  t r u e ,  b u t  y o u  a r e  t a l k i n g  a b o u t  i n  t h e  c l a s s ­

r o o m s  .

q . i a m - n o t  t a l k i n g  a b o u t  c l a s s r o o m s .  How m any  t i m e s

d i d  y o u  g o  t o  t h a t  s c h o d  on  n o n - b o a r d  f u n c t i o n s ,  t h e  

w h i t e  s c h o o l  I  am t a l k i n g  a b o u t ?

A .  I  h a v e  b e e n  t o  q u i t e  a  f e w  b a s k e t b a l l  g a m e s .

Q. You h a v e  b e e n  t o  o t h e r  a f f a i r s  l i k e  P . T . A .  m e e t i n g s

a t  t h e  w h i t e  s c h o o l ,  h a v e n ' t  y o u ?

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F e d e r a l  B u i l d i n g

E l  D o r a d o . A r k a n s a s

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You h a v e  b e e n  t o  s p e c i a l  p r o g r a m s  t h e y  h a v e  h a d  b y  t h e  

d r a m a t i c s  c l u b  o r  som e c l u b ?

T h a t ' s  r i g h t .

B u t  y o u  h a v e  n e v e r  b e e n  t o  o n e  o f  t h o s e  p a r t i c u l a r  

a c t i v i t i e s  a t  t h e  b l a c k  s c h o o l ,  h a v e  y o u ?

N o .

Do y o u  m e a n  t o  s a y  t h a t  y o u  a r e  t e l l i n g  t h e  J u d g e  t h a t  

y o u  a r e  e q u a l l y  c o n c e r n e d  a b o u t  t h e  q u a l i t y  o f  e d u c a t i o r  

a t  t h e  b l a c k  s c h o o l ?

I  a m .

B u t  y o u  d i d n ' t  g o  o v e r  t h e r e ?

N o .

Now y o u  s a y  t h e s e  t e a c h e r s  a r e n ' t  q u a l i f i e d .  Do y o u  

k n o w  w h e t h e r  o r  n o t  M r .  J a c k s o n  h o l d s  a  b a c h e l o r ' s  

d e g r e e ?

T h e y  t e l l  me h e  d o e s .

Do y o u  know  i t ?

I  h e a r d  t h e m  s a y  a w h i l e  a g o .

D i d  y o u  kn o w  i t  b e f o r e  t h e n ?

Y e s .

Why w a s n ' t  h e  q u a l i f i e d ,  t h e n ?

B e c a u s e  o f  h i s  a c t i o n s .

I n  1 9 6 0 ,  w h e n  h e  h a d  b e e n  e m p l o y e d  b y  t h e  d i s t r i c t  l e s s  

t h a n  tw o  y e a r s ,  w a s  h e  q u a l i f i e d  —  b e f o r e  y o u  r e c e i v e d

J O A N  F. L I N E S
U n i t e d  S t a t e s  C o u r t  R e p o r t e r  

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E l  D o r a d o . A r k a n s a s

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a n y  c o m p l a i n t s ?

I  d i d n ’ t  t h i n k  s o .

Why d i d n ' t  y o u  t h i n k  s o ?

B e c a u s e  o f  h i s  a c t i o n s .

W h a t  a c t i o n s  p r i o r  t o  t h e s e  s o - c a l l e d  c o m p l a i n t s ?

H i s  w i f e  w o u l d n ' t  p a y  h i s  b i l l s ,  o r  h e  w o u l d n ' t  p a y  

t h e m ,  I  d o n ' t  k n o w  w h o .

W o u l d  y o u  t e l l  me o n e  b i l l  h e  d i d n ' t  p a y  a s  o f  1 9 6 0 ?

I  c a n ' t  r e m e m b e r .

I  h a v e  a s k e d  y o u  t o  b r i n g  a l l  t h e  m i n u t e s  r e f l e c t i n g  

t h e  t i m e s  t h a t  t h e  b o a r d  d i s c u s s e d  t h i s  m a t t e r .  D i d  

t h e  b o a r d  d i s c u s s  t h i s  m a t t e r  a t  some t i m e  t h a t  w o u l d

n o t  b e  r e f l e c t e d  i n  t h o s e  m i n u t e s ?

He may h a v e  p a i d  t h e m ,  b u t  t h e  p e o p l e  w e r e  c o m i n g  t o  

t h e  s c h o o l  h o u s e  c o m p l a i n i n g  a b o u t  h i m  n o t  p a y i n g  t h e m .  

T e l l  me o n e  p e r s o n  who c am e  t o  t h e  s c h o o l  h o u s e  i n

1 9 6 0 ?

I  c a n ' t  d o  t h a t .

T e l l  me o n e  who cam e  i n  1 9 6 1 ?

I  d o n ' t  k n o w  t h a t .

Name o n e  who came i n  1 9 6 4 ?  You h a v e  a  v e r y  g o o d  

r e c o l l e c t i o n  a b o u t  1 9 6 4 .

A l o t  o f  t h e  s c h o o l  d i r e c t o r s '  i n f o r m a t i o n  i s  h e a r s a y ,  

Do y o u  m e a n  t o  s a y  t h a t  y o u  n e v e r  t o o k  t h e  t i m e  t o  

i n v e s t i g a t e  t h e  v e r a c i t y  o f  a n y  o f  t h e s e  c o m p l a i n t s ?

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U n i t e d  S t a t e s  C o u r t  R e p o r t e r  

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Q. W h e r e  d i d  y o u  g o  t o  i n v e s t i g a t e  t h e  v e r a c i t y  o f  t h e

c o m p l a i n t s ?

A .  On t h e  c r e d i t ?

Q. Any c o m p l a i n t ?

A .  To t h e  c o l o r e d  p e o p l e .

Q. W h i c h  c o l o r e d  p e o p l e ?

A .  W e l l ,  t h e r e  i s  a  n u m b e r  o f  t h e m  t h a t  l i v e  r i g h t  a r o u n d

—  n e i g h b o r s  t h a t  I  g r e w  u p  a n d  p l a y e d  w i t h  a l l  my l i f e .  

Q .  W h i c h  o n e s ?

A .  W e l l ,  t h e  S m i t h s  a n d  G a r d n e r s .

Q . A r e  y o u  n a m i n g  p e o p l e  w ho  m a d e  c o m p l a i n t s ?

A. o h ,  y e s ,  t o  m e .  X h a v e  n o  w ay  o f  p r o v i n g  i t .

q , Do t h e y  come t o  t h e  b o a r d  t o  m a ke  a n  o f f i c i a l  c o m p l a i n t :

A.  Some o f  t h e m  d i d .

q . D i d  some o f  t h e m  m a k e  c o m p l a i n t s  a b o u t  t h e  c r e d i t  o f

M r .  J a c k s o n ?

A .  Y e s .

Q. W h a t  y e a r ?

A. W e l l ;  I  w o u l d n ' t  k n o w .  Some p r a c t i c a l l y  e v e r y  y e a r

t h e y  w e r e  i n  t h e  W h e a t l e y  s c h o o l  s y s t e m .

Q. I s n ' t  i t  t r u e  t h a t  y o u  n e v e r  m ade  a  m o t i o n  t h a t  a n y  o n e

o f  t h e s e  t e a c h e r s  b e  t e r m i n a t e d  u n t i l  n e a r  t h e  c l o s e  o f  

t h e  1 9 6 7 - 6 8  s c h o o l  y e a r ?

A. No,  I  h a v e  m a d e  n o  m o t i o n s .

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Q. Now, i s  i t  f u r t h e r  t r u e  - -

A. I  h a v e  b o u g h t  i t  u p  a  n u m b e r  o f  t i m e s ,  b u t  I  h a v e

n e v e r  m a de  a m o t i o n .

Q- C a n  y o u  s h o w  me a n y w h e r e  i n  t h e s e  b o a r d  m e e t i n g s  t h a t

i t  i s  r e f l e c t e d  t h a t  y o u  d i d  s o ?

A. I t  i s  n o t  i n  t h e  m i n u t e s .

Q* I  h a v e  t h e  b o a r d  m i n u t e s  h e r e ,  a n d  I  a s k e d  M r .  B u t l e r

t o  g o  t h r o u g h  t h e m  a n d  f i n d  o u t  a n y  t i m e ,  o r  a t  l e a s t  

i d e n t i f y  a n y  p a r t i c u l a r  r e c o r d  i n  w h i c h  t h i s  m a t t e r  

w a s  t a k e n  u p ,  a n d  t h e s e  m i n u t e s  b e g a n  o n  F e b r u a r y  8 ,  

1 9 5 0 ,  a n d  t h e y  g o  t h r o u g h  t h e  c u r r e n t  s c h o o l  y e a r .

T h e r e  a r e n ' t  t o o  m a n y ,  a n d  I  w i l l  a s k  y o u  a g a i n  w h e t h e r  

o r  n o t  y o u  a l l  h a d  a p o l i c y  o f  r e c o r d i n g  c o m p l a i n t s  

a b o u t  t e a c h e r s ?

A. Y e s ,  t h e r e  w o u l d n ' t  b e  r o o m  i n  t h a t  t h i n g  t h e r e ,  i f

y o u  p u t  e v e r y t h i n g  i n  t h e r e .  I f  y o u  p u t  e v e r y t h i n g  

we d i s c u s s e d .

Q. T h e r e  i s  a  l o t  o f  r o o m  i n  h e r e  t h a t  h a s  n o t  b e e n  u s e d ,

a n d  t h i s  l i t t l e  b o o k  h a s  c o v e r e d  f i f t e e n  y e a r s ,  1 9 5 0  

t o  1 9 6 8 ?

A. I  am a w a r e  o f  t h a t .

Q. H a v e  y o u  e v e r  b e e n  a n  o f f i c e r  o f  t h e  b o a r d ?

A. A t  t h i s  t i m e  I  am v i c e - p r e s i d e n t  o f  t h e  b o a r d .

Q. H a v e  y o u  e v e r  b e e n  p r e s i d e n t  o f  t h e  b o a r d ?

A. No,  s i r .

J O A N  F. L I N E S  
U n i t e d  S t a t e s  C o u r t  R e p o r t e r  

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N e g r o  t e a c h e r  i n  1 9 6 0  i n  W h e a t l e y ,  A r k a n s a s ?

A. I can't hear you.

Q. Would you have wanted your child, or children, to be

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A. Would I want my child to attend Central?

A. No, no, to have been taught by a Negro teacher?

A. I don't understand your question.

Q. If you had a choice as to whether or not you had a

w h i t e  t e a c h e r  o r  a  b l a c k  t e a c h e r  f o r  y o u r  c h i l d r e n  i n  

1 9 6 0 ,  w o u l d  y o u  h a v e  s e l e c t e d  a  b l a c k  t e a c h e r ?

A. No.

Q. What caused you to change?

A. What is what?

Q. W h a t  h a s  c a u s e d  y o u  t o  c h a n g e  s o  t h a t  y o u  d o n ' t  m i n d

y o u r  c h i l d  h a v i n g  a  b l a c k  t e a c h e r  i n  1 9 6 8 ?

A. Well, I think we have one in the Wheatley School system

that I would agree to her going to.

Q. is that the only one?

A. I think she is qualified.

Q. Is that the only one?

A. There is probably more, I don't know of them.

Q. But you waid ordinarily, all things being equal, not

want your child to attend a black teacher's class, 

isn't that true? Just answer yes or no.

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Q. You w o u l d  n o t  w a n t  h e r  t o ?

A. I  w o u l d  n o t .

MR. WALKER: No m o r e  q u e s t i o n s .

REDIRECT EXAMINATION

BY MR. BUTLER:

Q. M r .  M i c h a e l i s , h a d  M r .  J a c k s o n  a n d  M r s .  J a c k s o n  a l r e a d y

b e e n  h i r e d ,  a n d  w e r e  t h e y  i n  W h e a t l e y  C e n t r a l  S c h o o l  

b e f o r e  y o u  c am e  o n  t h e  s c h o o l  b o a r d ?

A. Y e s ,  s i r .

Q.  D i d  M r s .  M e e k s  a n d  M r . C o l e m a n  com e  i n t o  e m p l o y m e n t  w i t h

t h e  d i s t r i c t  a f t e r  y o u  w e r e  o n  t h e  s c h o o l  b o a r d ?

A. Y e s ,  I  b e l i e v e  s o .

Q. I  w o u l d  l i k e  t o  a s k  y o u  a g a i n ,  t h e  s c h o o l  b o a r d  i n

m a k i n g  i t s  d e c i s i o n  n o t  t o  e x t e n d  t h e  c o n t r a c t s  o f  

t h e s e  t h r e e  p l a i n t i f f s ,  M r .  J a c k s o n ,  M r s .  J a c k s o n  a n d  

M r s .  M e e k s ,  i n  M a r c h  o f  1 9 6 8 ,  w a s  t h a t  d e c i s i o n  b y  

t h e  b o a r d  o r  a n y  m e m b e r  o f  t h e  b o a r d  o n  t h e  b a s i s  o f  

c o l o r ,  r a c e  o r  c r e e d ?

A. I  b e l i e v e  t h e  b o a r d  h i r e s  t e a c h e r s  o n  t h e  b a s i s  o f

t h e i r  q u a l i f i c a t i o n s .

Q. I s  t h a t  w h a t  y o u  d i d  a s  a  b o a r d  m e m b e r?

A. Y e s .

Q. And a s  a  b o a r d  m e m ber  a r e  y o u  i n t e r e s t e d  i n  t h e  b e s t

e d u c a t i o n a l  s y s t e m  i n  t h i s  d i s t r i c t  f o r  a l l ?

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F e d e r a l  B u i l d i n g

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MR. BUTLER: I  b e l i e v e  t h a t  i s  a l l .

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RECROSS EXAMINATION

BY MR. WALKER:

Q. You s a y  y o u  d i d  n o t  u s e  r a c e  i n  c o n s i d e r i n g  t h e

e m p l o y m e n t  o f  t e a c h e r s .  Do y o u  g o  o v e r  t o  t h e  s c h o o l  

n o w ,  t o  t h e  f o r m e r  w h i t e  s c h o o l  - -  

A .  I  c a n ' t  h e a r  y o u .

Q. D i d  y o u  g o  o v e r  t o  t h e  f o r m e r l y  w h i t e  s c h o o l  f r o m  t i m e

t o  t i m e  now d u r i n g  t h i s  s c h o o l  y e a r ?

A. Y e s ,  m o r e  t h a n  I  e v e r  h a v e .

MR. BUTLER: I  m i g h t  s a y  t h a t  h e  i s  h a r d  o f

h e a r i n g .

MR. WALKER: I  am s o r r y ,  I  w i l l  s p e a k  u p

M r .  M i c h a e l i s .

Q.  (MR. BUTLER, c o n t i n u i n g ) :  Do y o u  h a v e  a n y  c h i l d r e n

i n  t h e  s c h o o l  o v e r  t h e r e ,  t h e  h i g h  s c h o o l  d i v i s i o n ?

A. Y e s .

Q. Do a n y  o f  t h e m  h a v e  N e g r o  t e a c h e r s ?

A .  N o .

Q. Do y o u  k n o w  w h e t h e r  a n y  o f  t h e  N e g r o  t e a c h e r s  i n  t h e

h i g h  s c h o o l  o r  e l e m e n t a r y  s c h o o l  h a v e  w h i t e  p u p i l s ?

A. Run t h a t  b y  o n e  m o r e  t i m e ?

Q. Do y o u  k n o w  w h e t h e r  a n y  o f  t h e  N e g r o  t e a c h e r s  h a v e

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white pupils?

Q. How many of them have?

A. One.

Q. How many pupils does that one Negro teacher have?

A. One.

Q. Do you know who that one pupil is?

A. No, I don't.

Q. Have you been advised that that one pupil has a

diseased head and has been held to be unfit to be 

with other pupils?

A. Has what?

Q. Have you assigned those teachers on the basis of race?

A. We don't have enough white people to go around.

Q. What about those three classes of all black children?

A. Freedom of choice, they wanted it that way.

Q. Who wanted it that way, the teachers, or the pupils

or the parents?

A. Both I think.

Q. So you gave the pupils in the schools freedom of choice

to select their classes?
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A. That's right.

Q. Are you in favor of that practice within the schools?

A. Yes.

Q. What do you do if the pupils decide that they don't
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w a n t  t o  g o  t o  a b l a c k  t e a c h e r ,  s a y  a l l  t h e  p u p i l s  o v e r  

t h e r e  d e c i d e  t h e y  d o n ’ t  w a n t  a  b l a c k  t e a c h e r  -  w o u l d  

y o u  f i r e  t h a t  t e a c h e r ?

A. T h e y ' d  h a v e  t o  g o  t o  a  w h i t e  t e a c h e r ,  t h e n ,

Q. W o u l d  y o u  f i r e  t h a t  b l a c k  t e a c h e r  t h e n ?

A. I  s u p p o s e  y o u ' d  h a v e  t o ,  i f  s h e  d i d n ' t  h a v e  a n y  p u p i l s .

MR. WALKER: T h a n k  y o u ,  s i r ,

WHEREUPON,

BILLY JOE JO N E S , o n e  o f  t h e  d e f e n d a n t s ,  c a l l e d  a s  a  

w i t n e s s  o n  b e h a l f  o f  t h e  D e f e n d a n t s ,  b e i n g  d u l y  s w o r n ,  

t e s t i f i e d  a s  f o l l o w s :

DIRECT EXAMINATION

BY MR. BUTLER:

Q- S t a t e  y o u r  n a m e ,  p l e a s e , s i r ?

A . B i l l y  J o e  J o n e s .

Q. How o l d  a r e  y o u ,  M r .  J o n e s ?

A. T h i r t y - f o u r .

Q. W h e r e  d o  y o u  r e s i d e ?

A. W h e a t l e y ,  A r k a n s a s .

Q. How l o n g  h a v e  y o u  b e e n  a r e s i d e n t  o f  W h e a t l e y ?

A. S i x  y e a r s ,  I  b e l i e v e ,  s i r .

Q. W h e r e  d i d  y o u  l i v e  p r i o r t o  t h a t ?

A. G o o d w i n ,  A r k a n s a s .

Q. How l o n g  d i d  y o u  l i v e  a t G o o d w i n ?

A. N i n e  y e a r s ,  I  b e l i e v e .

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U n i t e d  S t a t e s  C o u r t  R e p o r t e r  

F e d e r a l  b u i l d i n g

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Q. W h e r e  w e r e  y o u  b o r n  a n d  r e a r e d ?

A .  I  w a s  b o r n  i n  L e e  C o u n t y ,  s o u t h  o f  G o o d w i n .

Q. D u r i n g  a l l  o f  y o u r  l i f e  h a v e  y o u  l i v e d  i n  t h e  n e i g h b o r ­

h o o d  o f  W h e a t l e y  a n d  G o o d w i n ,  a n d  t h e  L e e  C o u n t y  l i n e ,  

w h i c h  i s  c l o s e  b y ?

A. Y e s ,  s i r .

Q. A r e  y o u  a  m e m b e r  a n d  d e f e n d a n t  o f  t h e  W h e a t l e y  S c h o o l

B o a r d ?

A. Y e s  .

Q. How l o n g  h a v e  y o u  b e e n  a m e m b er  o f t h e  s c h o o l  b o a r d ?

A. S e p t e m b e r ,  ' 6 5 .

Q. W h a t  i s  y o u r  e d u c a t i o n a l  b a c k g r o u n d ?

A. H i g h  S c h o o l  e d u c a t i o n .

Q- W h a t  i s  y o u r  b u s i n e s s ?

A. S a l e s m a n  f o r  P a r k e r  S e e d  C om pany  o u t  o f  F o r r e s t  C i t y .

Q. How l o n g  h a v e  y o u  b e e n  w o r k i n g  i n t h i s  c a p a c i t y ?

A. J u s t  s i n c e  t h e  f i r s t  o f  S e p t e m b e r l a s t  y e a r .

Q. W h a t  d i d  y o u  d o  p r i o r  t o  t h e n ,  M r . J o n e s .

A. I  o w n e d  a n d  o p e r a t e d  a  g r o c e r y  s t o r e  i n  W h e a t l e y .

Q. A r e  y o u  m a r r i e d ?

A. Y e s ,  s i r .

Q. Do y o u  h a v e  a n y  c h i l d r e n ?

A. Y e s ,  s i r ,  o n e .

Q "-- . And w h a t  i s  t h e  a g e  o f  t h a t  o n e ?

A. F o u r " y e a r s  o l d .

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N o t  i n  s c h o o l  y e t ?

No,  s i r .

W h a t  h a s  b e e n  y o u r  o f f i c i a l  c a p a c i t y  on  t h e  s c h o o l  

b o a r d  s i n c e  b e i n g  a m e m b e r ?

I  h a v e  b e e n  s e c r e t a r y  o f  t h e  b o a r d  s i n c e  I  h a v e  b e e n  

o n  t h e r e .

And t h a t  w a s  s i n c e  1 9 6 5 ?  S e p t e m b e r ,  ' 6 5 ?

Y e s ,  s i r .

I s  i t  y o u r  d u t y  a s  s e c r e t a r y  t o  h e l p  t h e  s u p e r i n t e n d e n t  

w i t h  t h e  p r e p a r a t i o n  o f  m i n u t e s ?

No,  s i r ,  h e  d o e s  t h e m  h i m s e l f .

H a s  t h a t  b e e n  t r u e  u n d e r  M r .  R i c h a r d s o n ,  a s  w e l l  a s  

u n d e r  M r .  K e n n e d y ?

Y e s ,  s i r .

Who w a s  t h e  s u p e r i n t e n d e n t  o f  s c h o o l  w h e n  y o u  c am e  

o n  t h e  b o a r d  i n  ' 6 5 ?

M r .  F l o w e r s .

D i d  M r .  F l o w e r s  h a n d l e  t h e  m a t t e r  o f  k e e p i n g  r e c o r d s ?  

Y e s ,  s i r .

F o r  t h e  s c h o o l  d i s t r i c t ?

Y e s ,  s i r .

D u r i n g  y o u r  t e n u r e  s i n c e  y o u  h a v e  b e e n  o n  t h e  s c h o o l  

b o a r d ,  h a v e  y o u  a t t e n d e d  r e g u l a r  a n d  s p e c i a l  m e e t i n g s  

o f  t h e  b o a r d  r e g u l a r l y ?

Y e s ,  s i r .

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U n i t e d  S t a t e s  C o u r t  R e p o r t e r  

F e d e r a l  B u i l d i n g

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Had t h e  W h e a t l e y  S c h o o l  D i s t r i c t  b e g u n  i t s  p r o g r a m  

o f  d e s e g r e g a t i o n  o r  i n t e g r a t i o n  p r i o r  t o  t h e  t i m e  y o u  

c a m e  o n  t h e  b o a r d ?

Y e s ,  s i r .

W h a t  p o r t i o n  o f  t h e  s c h o o l  s y s t e m  w a s  i n t e g r a t e d  a t  

t h e  t i m e  y o u  c am e  o n  t h e  b o a r d ?

F i r s t  f o u r  g r a d e s ,  I  b e l i e v e .

T h e  f i r s t  f o u r  g r a d e s ?

Y e s ,  s i r ,  u n d e r  f r e e d o m  o f  c h o i c e .

Under freedom of choice. Then in 1965-66 what steps 

were taken?

I  b e l i e v e  t h e  f i r s t  f o u r  g r a d e s  u n d e r  f r e e d o m  o f  c h o i c e  

I  m e a n  t h e  f i r s t  e i g h t ,  I  b e l i e v e .

And t h e n  i n  1966-67, y o u r  s e c o n d  y e a r  o n  t h e  b o a r d ?

I  b e l i e v e  f r e e d o m  o f  c h o i c e .

F r e e d o m  o f  c h o i c e ?

I  b e l i e v e  f r e e d o m  o f  c h o i c e  i n  a l l  t w e l v e  g r a d e s .

During 1967-68?

T h e r e  w a s  n o t  a  f r e e d o m  o f  c h o i c e  f o r  t h e  h i g h  s c h o o l s .  

D i d  t h a t  i n c l u d e  t h e  j u n i o r  h i g h  a n d  t h e  h i g h  s c h o o l s ?  

Y e s ,  s i r .

And t h i s  f r e e d o m  o f  c h o i c e  e x t e n d e d  o n l y  t o  w h a t ?

One t h r o u g h  s i x ,  I  b e l i e v e .

Now w e r e  y o u  p r e s e n t  a t  t h e  m e e t i n g  w h i c h  w a s  h e l d  

M a r c h  11, 1968?

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Q. Where a determination was made to rehire some teachers

and terminate the contract of others?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. At that time had it been determined by the board,

or been considered by the board, that they would 

discontinue Wheatley Central and move those children 

into Wheatley Elementary?

A. No, sir, we had made no plans to discontinue Wheatley

Central School.

Q. So, then at the time of your meeting on March 11,

when you voted to terminate the contracts of Mr. Jack- 

son, Mrs. Jackson and Mrs. Meeks that decision had 

not been made or considered?

A. No.

Q. Mr. Jones, why was it decided and determined to give

notice to these three plaintiffs at that time that 

their contracts would not be renewed?

A. It was the board's opinion that they were not qualified,

or qualified enough to teach in Central School.

Q. Did the board contemplate hiring other teachers at

that time for the school?

A. Yes, sir. We din't advertise for any at that time

because they still had plenty of time for the next 

school year.

J O A N  F. L I N E S  
U n i t e d  S t a t e s  C o u r t  R e p o r t e r  

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Q. W e r e  y o u  i n v o l v e d  i n  t h e  s e n d i n g  o u t  o f  n o t i c e s  t o

t h e s e  c h i l d r e n  a n d  t h e i r  f a m i l i e s  r e g a r d i n g  f r e e d o m  

o f  c h o i c e  f o r  t h e  f i r s t  f i v e  o r  s i x  g r a d e s ?

A. No,  s i r .  I  k n e w  t h e  d a t e  t h e y  w e r e  s e n t  o u t ,  I  h a d

n o t h i n g  t o  d o  w i t h  i t  o r  a n y t h i n g .

Q. When d i d  t h e y  g o  o u t ?

A. M a r c h  1 s t .

Q.  How m uch  t i m e  d i d  t h e y  h a v e  i n  o r d e r  t o  r e p l y ?

A. T h e y  h a d  t o  b e  b a c k  w i t h i n  t h i r t y  d a y s .

Q- I n  o t h e r  w o r d s ,  i t  w a s  i m p o s s i b l e  f o r  t h e  b o a r d  t o

m a k e  a  d e c i s i o n  a b o u t  w h a t  w a s  h a p p e n i n g  h e r e  u n t i l  

t h e  e n d  o f  t h e  t h i r t y  d a y s ,  i s  t h a t  c o r r e c t ?

A. Y e s ,  s i r .

Q • As s e c r e t a r y  o f  t h e  b o a r d ,  how  m any  e l e c t e d  u n d e r  t h i s

f r e e d o m - o f - c h o i c e  p l a n  t o  l e a v e  W h e a t l e y  C e n t r a l  a n d  

g o  t o  W h e a t l e y  E l e m e n t a r y ?

A. A p p r o x i m a t e l y  s i x t y .

Q. And how  m any  d i d  t h a t  l e a v e  a t  W h e a t l e y  C e n t r a l ?

A. S o m e w h e r e  a r o u n d  t h i r t y  p e o p l e .

Q. W e r e  t h e y  a l l  i n  o n e  c l a s s  o r  s c a t t e r e d ?

A. T h e y  w e r e  d i s t r i b u t e d  o v e r  f i v e  g r a d e s ,  I  b e l i e v e .

Q. D i d  t h a t  m a ke  i t  i m p r a c t i c a l  t o  c o n t i n u e  o p e r a t i o n  o f

t h a t  s c h o o l ?

A. Y e s .

Q. Was i t  t h e n  t h a t  t h e  b o a r d ,  y o u  a n d  t h e  o t h e r  m e m b e r s

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of the board, in a meeting made the determination to 

move them all to Wheatley Elementary?

A. Yes, sir, we had no other choice.

Q. Now, Mr. Jones, the exhibit of school board minutes

of the meeting of April 2 9 ,  1 9 6 8 ,  indicate that Mr. 

and Mrs. Jackson, Mrs. Meeks and Mr. Coleman appeared 

before the board at that time to make a request 

about continuation of their contracts for the year 

1 9 6 8 - 6 9 .  Were you present at that meeting?

A. Yes, sir,

Q. What were they told?

A. They were told that we would keep them in mind, I

believe, if we had any openings we thought they might 

be qualified to have.

Q. This was after you made the determination to transfer

the pupils of Wheatley Central to Wheatley Elementary, 

is that right.

A. Yes, sir.

Q. Did you ask them to file formal applications with you?

A. No, sir, we didn't.

Q. What is the procedure as secretary in connection with

new teachers in the Wheatley School District now, 

and what has been the procedure for some time?

A. As far back as I can remember they have to send their

written application and the superintendent usually
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i n t e r v i e w s  t h e m ;  s o m e t i m e s  t h e  b o a r d  i n t e r v i e w s  t h e m .

Q. D o e s  t h e  b o a r d  t o  a l a r g e  e x t e n t  r e l y  o n  t h e  s u p e r i n ­

t e n d e n t ?

A. Y e s ,  s i r ,  h e  c h e c k s  t h e  r e f e r e n c e s  a n d  e v e r y t h i n g  a n d

h e  r e p o r t s  t o  u s .

Q. A f t e r  t h e  m e e t i n g  o n  A p r i l  2 9 ,  1 9 6 8 ,  d i d  y o u  a s

s e c r e t a r y ,  o r  M r .  K e n n e d y  a s  s u p e r i n t e n d e n t ,  r e c e i v e  

a n y  a p p l i c a t i o n s  f r o m  a n y  o f  t h e s e  f o u r  p a r t i e s ?

A .  N o ,  s i r .

Q.  To h a v e  o n  f i l e  a n  a p p l i c a t i o n  i n  t h e  e v e n t  t h e r e  w a s

a v a c a n c y ?

A .  N o t  u p  u n t i l  t o d a y  we h a v e  n o t  r e c e i v e d  t h e m .

Q. When y o u  c o n s o l i d a t e d  W h e a t l e y  c e n t r a l  a n d  W h e a t l e y

E l e m e n t a r y ,  d i d  y o u  h a v e  a n y  v a c a n c i e s  i n  t h e  new  

i n t e g r a t e d  s c h o o l ?

A. I  am s u r e  we d i d  b e c a u s e  we l e t  q u i t e  a  f e w  w h i t e

o n e s  g o  t h a t  y e a r .

Q.  B u t  y o u  h a d  a l r e a d y  h i r e d  p e o p l e ?

A. Y e s ,  we h a d  r e p l a c e d  t h e m .

Q. D i d  y o u  h a v e  a n y  p l a c e s  f o r  t h e s e  p e o p l e  o n  t h e  n i g h t

o f  A p r i l  2 9 ,  w h e n  t h e y  m e t  w i t h  y o u ?

A. No,  s i r .

Q.  Now a f t e r  t h a t  t i m e ,  a f t e r  M r .  K e n n e d y  cam e  i n ,  how

m any  t e a c h e r s  d i d  y o u  h i r e  a f t e r  J u l y  1 s t ?

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Q. Did you hire a principal?

A. Yes, sir, and I believe three in the elementary.

Q. Did you have any teachers resign who had been hired

just before the time of the beginning of school?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. And who were they?

A. I don't remember the lady's name. I heard it here in

the courtroom today, but I don't remember her name.

Q. You don't remember her name? Was it Mrs. Haley?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. You know the reason for her resignation?

A. No, sir.

Q. Now, Mr. Jones, the school board in making its determina­

tion, you and other members of the school board, not 

to rehire Mr. and Mrs. Jackson, Mrs. Meeks and 

Mr. Coleman, was this determination based on race, 

color or creed?

A. No, sir.

Q. What was it based on?

A. It was based on —  they didn't have their qualifica­

tions, they were not doing their job at Wheatley 

Central school.

Q. Had you any complaints about them from their creditors?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. Are you familiar with some of those?
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Q. Which ones in particular?

A. Mrs. Meeks I am most familiar with.

Q. You are more familiar with her?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. What respect to Mrs. Meeks, what complaint do you

recall offhand?

A. If I remember right her check was garnisheed by some

automobile finance company.

Q. How did you know this?

A. Because I have to sign all the warranties that go

to the school.

Q. And what was this check for -- for what period of

time?

A. I don't remember —  her wages they were being garnisheec

all of them amounted to her full-month's check —  

but they served them at the middle of the month and 

we had to pay for two weeks. That was all she had 

coming at that time she was served.

Q. Then you did sign the check to the finance company?

A. Whether it was mailed to the finance company, I don't

know, but I did sign it.

Q. Was it made payable to the finance company?

A. Yes, sir.

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b r o u g h t  t o  t h e  a t t e n t i o n  o f  t h e  s c h o o l  b o a r d  a t  t h i s  

m e e t i n g ?

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f r o m  F r a n k i e  H e m i n g w a y  t h a t  h a s  a  s e r v i c e  s t a t i o n  

t h e r e  i n  W h e a t l e y ,  w i t h  h i s  nam e  a n d  M r s .  M e e k s  nam e  

b o t h  on  i t ,  a u t h o r i z i n g  t h e  s c h o o l  b o a r d  t o  p a y  h i m  

w h a t  t h e  s c h o o l  o w e d  h e r ,  w h i c h  t h e  s c h o o l  c o u l d  n o t  

d o .  We t o o k  n o  o t h e r  a c t i o n  o n  t h a t .

Q. S i n c e  y o u  h a v e  b e e n  o n  t h e  s c h o o l  b o a r d  h a v e  t h e r e

b e e n  o t h e r  c o m p l a i n t s  a n d  o t h e r  c o m m u n i c a t i o n s  t o  

t h e  s c h o o l  b o a r d  a b o u t  h e r  i n d e b t e d n e s s ?

A. No,  s i r ,  I  d o n ' t  r e c a l l  a n y  r i g h t  now  o t h e r  t h a n

D i x i e - F u r n i t u r e - C o m p a n y  d e a l .

Q. D i d  s h e  owe t h e  f u r n i t u r e  c o m p a n y ?

A. Y e s ,  s i r .

Q. H a s  t h a t  b e e n  b r o u g h t  t o  t h e  a t t e n t i o n  o f  t h e  s c h o o l

b o a r d ?

A. Y e s ,  s i r .

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p a y m e n t  o f  p e r s o n n e l  —

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a b o u t  i t .

Q.  (MR. BUTLER, c o n t i n u i n g ) :  M r .  J o n e s ,  w h e r e  d i d  y o u

h e a r  t h e . c o m p l a i n t s  a b o u t  q u a l i f i c a t i o n s  o f  t h e s e  

t e a c h e r s ?

A. W e l l ,  a  l o t  o f  c o m p l a i n t s  j u s t  a r o u n d  i n  t h e  n e i g h b o r ­

h o o d  f r o m  t h e  c o l o r e d  t e a c h e r s  t h a t  t h e y  w e r e  n o t  

s a t i s f i e d  w i t h  t h e m .

Q. T h e  c o l o r e d  t e a c h e r s ?

A. X m e a n  t h e  c o l o r e d  p a t r o n s  w e r e  n o t  s a t i s f i e d  w i t h  t h e

c o l o r e d  t e a c h e r s  a t  W h e a t l e y  C e n t r a l  s c h o o l .

Q.  D u r i n g  y o u r  t e n u r e  o n  t h e  s c h o o l  b o a r d  h a v e  y o u  h e a r d

f e w  o r  n u m e r o u s  c o m p l a i n t s ?

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Q. (MR. BUTLER, c o n t i n u i n g ) :  B u t  t h e r e  h a v e  b e e n  s o m e ?

A. Y e s ,  s i r .

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Q. You a r e  M r .  B i l l y  J o e  J o n e s  a n d  y o u  s i g n e d  a l l  t h e s e

b o a r d  m i n u t e s , b u t  y o u  d i d n ' t  m a k e  o u t  t h e  b o a r d  m i n u t e s  

y o u r s e l f ,  d i d  y o u ?

A .  N o .

Q. So  y o u  j u s t  m o r e  o r  l e s s  e n d o r s e d  w h a t  t h e  s u p e r i n t e n d e n

p r e p a r e d ?

A . T h a t 1s r i g h t .

Q.  You d o n ' t  know  t h e  a c c u r a c y  o f  t h e  m i n u t e s ,  d o  y o u ?

A .  Y e s ,  I  d o .

Q. You kn o w  t h e y  a r e  a l l  a c c u r a t e ?

A .  Y e s ,  s i r .

Q.  A r e  t h e y  f u l l  a n d  c o m p l e t e ?

A. Y e s ,  a s  f a r  a s  t h e  b o a r d  w a n t s  t h e m .

Q. S o  t h e r e  h a v e  b e e n  m a n y  t h i n g s ,  h a v e  t h e r e  n o t ,  t h a t

t h e  b o a r d  w a n t e d  t o  c o n c e a l  t h a t  t h e y  d i d  n o t  p u t  i n  

t h e s e  m i n u t e s ,  i s  t h a t  t r u e ?

A. N o t h i n g  i m p o r t a n t .

Q.  N o t h i n g  i m p o r t a n t ?

A. A ny  b u s i n e s s  t h a t  i s  d i s c u s s e d  t h a t  i s  i m p o r t a n t  i s  p u t

i n  t h e  m i n u t e s .

Q. S o  y o u  a r e  c h a n g i n g  y o u r  e a r l i e r  s t a t e m e n t  now?

A. We t a l k e d  a b o u t  a  l o t  o f  t h i n g s .

Q. I s n ' t  i t  t r u e  t h a t  y o u  s i g n e d  a  f o r m  4 4 1  (b)  w i t h  t h e

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U n i t e d  S t a t e s  D e p a r t m e n t  o f  H . E . W .  s e t t i n g  o u t  t h a t  y o u  

a r e  g o i n g  t o  c o m p l y  w i t h  t h e  g u i d e l i n e s  f o r  1965  

u n t i l  t h i s  d a t e ?

A .  I  d o n ' t  k n o w ,  I  am n o t  f a m i l i a r  w i t h  t h e  f o r m  n u m b e r .

Q .  D i d  y o u  s i g n  a  f o r m  s t a t i n g  t h a t  y o u  w e r e  g o i n g  t o  c o m p l

w i t h  t h e  g u i d e l i n e s  o f  t h e  D e p a r t m e n t  o f  E d u c a t i o n ?

A .  T h a t ' s  r i g h t .

Q .  Do y o u  k n o w  w h e t h e r  t h o s e  g u i d e l i n e s  r e q u i r e  y o u  t o

c l o s e  a n y  s m a l l  a n d  i n a d e q u a t e  s c h o o l  t h a t  y o u  h a v e ?

A .  N o ,  I  d i d  n o t .  N o t  a t  t h a t  t i m e .

Q. I n  1 9 6 5  i t  d i d  n o t ?

A. N o t  t o  my own k n o w l e d g e  i t  d i d  n o t .

Q.  D u r i n g  1 9 6 6 - 6 7  i t  d i d  n o t ?

A .  N o t  t o  my own k n o w l e d g e .

Q. I s n ' t  i t  p r e c i s e l y  t h e  r e a s o n  t h a t  t h e  H„E„W» t e a m

c am e  down t o  t a l k  w i t h  y o u  a l l ?

A. I  w a s n ' t  a w a r e  t h a t  t h e  H QE 0W0 t e a m  c am e  d o w n ,  I  d i d n ' t

s e e  t h e m .

Q. You m e a n  y o u  d i d  n o t  d i s c u s s  t h e  H»E„W„ t e a m  v i s i t i n g

i n  y o u r  b o a r d  m e e t i n g ?

A .  I  may h a v e  d i s c u s s e d  i t  b u t  I  d i d  n o t  s e e  t h e m .

Q. I  am a s k i n g  y o u ,  d i d  y o u  d i s c u s s  i t ?

A .  I  d o n ' t  r e m e m b e r .

Q. You d o h 1t  r e m e m b e r .  Do y o u  r e m e m b e r  r e m e m b e r  h a v i n g  t o

t r a n s f e r  a  N e g r o  t e a c h e r  f r o m  t h e  N e g r o  s c h o o l  t o  t h e

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A .  Y e s ,  s i r .  I  r e m e m b e r  t h e m  t a l k i n g  a b o u t  i t .  We a l s o

t r a n s f e r r e d  t w o  g r a d e s ,  o r  p a r t  o f  tw o  g r a d e s .

Q. C o u l d  y o u  s a y  t h a t  w a s  i m p o r t a n t ?

A .  Y e s ,  t h a t ' s  r i g h t .

Q.  Can  y o u  s h o w  me a n y w h e r e  i n  t h e s e  m i n u t e s  t h a t  y o u

r e c o r d e d  t h i s ?  I  h a v e  g o n e  t h r o u g h  t h e m  s i n c e  ’ 6 5 ,  

u n t i l  y o u  b e c a m e  s e c r e t a r y ,  t o  t h e  e n d  a n d  i t  e n d s  

h e r e .  C an  y o u  sh o w  me o n e  p o i n t  w h e r e  y o u  m a ke  m e n t i o n  

o f  t h e  f a c t  t h a t  H .E  J .  e v e n  c am e  t o  t o w n ?

A .  I f  y o u  c o u l d n ' t  f i n d  o n e ,  I  am s u r e  I  c o u l d n ' t .

Q.  I s n ' t  i t  t r u e  t h a t  y o u  r e c o g n i z e d ,  a n d  t h e  o t h e r  b o a r d

m e m b e r s  r e c o g n i z e d ,  t h a t  i t  w a s  n o t  o n l y  i m p r a c t i c a l  b u t  

e d u c a t i o n a l l y  u n d e s i r a b l e  t o  h a v e  a  s c h o o l  o p e r a t e  f o r  

125  p u p i l s  w i t h  f i v e  g r a d e s ?

A .  P r a c t i c a l ,  n o .

Q. B u t  e d u c a t i o n a l l y  u n d e s i r a b l e ?

A .  F o r  f i v e  g r a d e s  a n d  o n e - h u n d r e d  t w e n t y - f i v e  p u p i l s ,  n o .

Q .  On t h a t  p a r t i c u l a r  s i t e ?

A .  N o .

Q .  W h a t  e f f o r t s  d i d  t h e  b o a r d ,  t o  y o u r  k n o w l e d g e ,  t a k e

t o  b r i n g  t h e  q u a l i t y  o f  t h a t  s c h o o l ,  t h a t  C e n t r a l  

S c h o o l ,  u p  t o  t h e  q u a l i t y  o f  t h e  W h e a t l e y  s c h o o l  t h a t  

t h e y  r e c o r d e d  i n  t h e s e  m i n u t e s ?

A .  We g o t  r i d  o f  f o u r  t e a c h e r s .  T h a t  i s  why we a r e  h e r e

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Q. O t h e r  t h a n  t h a t ,  w h a t  d i d  y o u  d o ?

A .  T h a t  w a s  t h e  s t a r t ,  I  w o u l d  t h i n k .

Q. B e s i d e s  t h a t ,  c a n  y o u  t h i n k  o f  o n e  t h i n g  t h a t  y o u  d i d ?

A .  N o t  o f f h a n d .

Q. Now y o u  s t a t e  t h a t  t h e r e  h a d  b e e n  a  g a r n i s h m e n t  f i l e d

a g a i n s t  M r s .  M e e k s ,  i s  t h a t  c o r r e c t ?

A .  T h a t ' s  r i g h t .

Q.  Do y o u  h a v e  t h a t  g a r n i s h m e n t  i n  y o u r  r e c o r d s ?

A . N o .

Q. Why d o n ' t  y o u ?

A .  I t  w a s  n e v e r  b r o u g h t  b e f o r e  t h e  b o a r d .

Q. W e l l ,  how  d i d  y o u  k n o w  a b o u t  i t ?

A. B e c a u s e  I  h a d  t o  s i g n  i t .

Q .  Why d i d n ' t  y o u  p u t  s o m e t h i n g  a b o u t  i t  i n  y o u r  m i n u t e s ?

A .  T h e r e  w a s  n o t h i n g  t h e  b o a r d  c o u l d  d o  a b o u t  i t ,  why

s h o u l d  w e .  By l a w  we h a d  t o  p a y  i t .

Q .  How d i d  y o u  kn o w  i t  w a s  t h e  l a w ?  D i d  s h e  h a v e  a  l a w y e r

b e f o r e  g a r n i s h m e n t ?

A .  N o ,  i t  w a s  s e r v e d  b y  l a w  o f f i c i a l s ?

Q. W h a t  w a s  t h e  d a t e  o f  t h e  g a r n i s h m e n t ?

A. I  d o n ' t  r e m e m b e r .

Q .  W h a t  w a s  t h e  y e a r ?

A .  ' 6 6 ,  I  b e l i e v e .

Q. I s  t h a t  t h e  y e a r  h e r  h o u s e  w a s  b u r n e d  u p ?

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A .  I  d i d n ' t  k n o w  h e r  h o u s e  b u r n e d .

Q* I s  t h a t  r i g h t ?  You t a l k e d  t o  a  l o t  o f  c o l o r e d  p e o p l e

y o u  s a i d .  T h e y  d i d n ' t  t e l l  y o u ?

A .  I t  w a s n ' t  n o n e  o f  my b u s i n e s s  i f  h e r  h o u s e  b u r n e d .

T h a t ' s  n o t  s c h o o l  b u s i n e s s ,  i s  i t ?

Q. S i r ,  w o u l d  i t  h a v e  b e e n  i m p o r t a n t  t o  y o u  t o  h a v e  know n

t h a t  s h e  h a d  e x p e r i e n c e d  t h i s  k i n d  o f  a  m i s f o r t u n e  

b e f o r e  making a  j u d g m e n t  a b o u t  h e r  a b i l i t y  t o  m e e t  h e r  

c r e d i t o r s ?

A .  I t  m i g h t  h a v e .

Q. You d i d n ' t  i n v e s t i g a t e  t o  d e t e r m i n e  w h e t h e r  o r  n o t

a n y t h i n g  l i k e  t h i s  w a s  i n  f a c t  t h e  r e a s o n  f o r  h e r  f i n a n  

c i a l  m i s f o r t u n e ?

A . N o .

Q. I  w i l l  a s k  y o u  w h e t h e r  o r  n o t  y o u  h e a r d  t h e  t e s t i m o n y

o f  a  p r e v i o u s  w i t n e s s ,  M r .  M i c h a e l i s ?

A .  Y e s ,  I  h e a r d  t h a t .

Q.  And y o u  h e a r d  h i m  s a y  t h a t  h e  h a d  b e e n  w a t n t i n g  t o  g e t

r i d  o f  t h e s e  t e a c h e r s  f o r  a  l o n g  t i m e ,  i s  t h a t  c o r r e c t ?

A .  T h a t  i s  w h a t  h e  s a i d .

Q. Had  h e  t o l d  y o u  t h a t  h e  w a n t e d  t o  g e t  r i d  o f  t h e m  f o r

a  l o n g  t i m e ?

A .  Y e s .

Q .  How m a n y  t i m e s  h a s  h e  t o l d  y o u ,  a n d  on  w h a t  d a t e s ?

A .  I  d o n ' t  r e m e m b e r  e x a c t  d a t e s .

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Q . W e l l , r e c a l l  i t  t o  t h e  b e s t  o f  y o u r  r e c o l l e c t i o n ?

A. X r e m e m b e r  o n e  f o r  s u r e  M a r c h  1 1 ,  1 9 6 8 .

Q. M a r c h  1 1 ,  1 9 6 8 .  W h a t  a b o u t  A p r i l  1 7 ,  1 9 6 7 ,  y o u  r e c a l l

w h a t  h a p p e n e d  on  t h a t  d a t e ?

A .  N o t  o f f h a n d ,  I  d o n ' t .

Q.  I  s h o w  y o u  t h e  b o a r d  m i n u t e s  f o r  A p r i l  1 7 ,  1 9 6 7 ,  a n d

w i l l  a s k  y o u  t o  r e a d  I t e m  T h r e e ?

A .  "U pon  m o t i o n  b y  M i c h a e l i s  a n d  s e c o n d e d  b y  J o n e s ,  t h e

b o a r d  w a n t e d  t o  e m p l o y  J o a n  L o n g  a n d  A l p h a  F r e n c h  a s  

w h i t e  t e a c h e r s  f o r  H e a d  S t a r t .  M a r y  E l l e n  G e h r i n g  w a s  

s e l e c t e d  a s  t h e  t h i r d  w h i t e  t e a c h e r  n e e d e d .  T h e  N e g r a  

t e a c h e r s  w e r e  n o t  s e l e c t e d . "

Q. W h a t  k i n d  o f  t e a c h e r s ?

A. N e g r o  t e a c h e r s .

Q. Now t h a t  w a s  o n  A p r i l  1 7 ,  1 9 6 7 ,  i s  t h a t  r i g h t ?

A. R i g h t .

Q.  Now, I  c a l l  y o u  a t t e n t i o n  t o  J u n e  5 ,  1 9 6 7 ,  a n d  a s k  y o u

t o  r e a d  I t e m  N u m b er  F o u r .

A. " M o t i o n  b y  M i c h a e l i s  a n d  s e c o n d e d  b y  J o n e s  t o  e m p l o y

a l l  c o l o r e d  t e a c h e r s  t e a c h i n g  i n  C e n t r a l  S c h o o l  f o r  t h e  

n e x t  y e a r . "

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b e  f i r e d ,  a c t u a l l y  a s k e d  t h a t  t h e y  b e  h i r e d ,  i s n ’ t  

t h a t  t r u e ?

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Q. Why w o u l d  h e  m a ke  a  m o t i o n ,  a n d  y o u  s e c o n d  a  m o t i o n ,  t o

h a v e  t h e s e  t e a c h e r s  r e h i r e d  i f  t h e y  w e r e  s u c h  d e t r i m e n t s  

t o  t h e  e d u c a t i o n a l  p r o g r a m  o f  t h e  s c h o o l  s y s t e m ?

A .  M aybe  a t  t h a t  t i m e  t h e y  w e r e  n o t .

Q .  When d i d  t h e y  b e c o m e  d e t r i m e n t a l  t o  t h e  e d u c a t i o n a l

s y s t e m ?

A. T h e y  j u s t  k e p t  o n  h a v i n g  r e p o r t s  on  t h e m  a n d  e v e r y t h i n g .

Q. B u t  a s  o f  J u n e  5 ,  1 9 6 7 ,  t h e y  w e r e  s a t i s f a c t o r y ,  i s  t h a t

r i g h t ?

A .  M ay b e  n o t  s a t i s f a c t o r y ,  b u t  t h e y  —

Q. You d i d n ' t  h a v e  s u f f i c i e n t  r e a s o n  t o  d i s c h a r g e  t h e m  a t

t h a t  t i m e ?

A .  M a y b e  n o t .

Q .  Can  y o u  s t a t e  y e s  o r  n o ?

THE COURT: The  r e c o r d  s p e a k s  f o r  i t s e l f ,

M r .  W a l k e r .

Q. (MR. WALKER, c o n t n u i n g ) : You  h a v e  h a d  a  l o t  o f  p r o b l e m s

w i t h  H . E . W .  a n d  i n t e g r a t i o n  p l a n s ,  d i d n ' t  y o u ?

A .  No,  s i r .  N o t  a  l o t  o f  p r o b l e m s .

Q .  You h a d  some p r o b l e m s ,  d i d n ' t  y o u ?

A .  I  d o n ' t  k n o w  o f  a n y .

q . x c a l l  y o u r  a t t e n t i o n  t o  A u g u s t  1 4 ,  1 9 6 7 ,  a n d  a s k  y o u

t o  r e a d  t h e  n e x t  t o  t h e  l a s t  p a r a g r a p h ?

A. "Motion m a de  a n d  s e c o n d e d  t o  c a l l  W a s h i n g t o n ,  a n d  a s k

t h e  H e a l t h ,  E d u c a t i o n  a n d  W e l f a r e  o f f i c e  why o u r  w h i t e

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t h e y  r e f u s e d  o u r  c o l o r e d  c h i l d r e n "

Q. T h a t  i n d i c a t e d  t h a t  y o u  w e r e  h a v i n g  p r o b l e m s  w i t h  H .E . W .

A .  N o t  n e c e s s a r i l y .

Q . B u t  i s n ' t  i t  t r u e  t h a t  t h e y  w e r e  c a u s i n g  m o n e y  t o  b e

t a k e n  a w a y  f r o m  y o u r  s c h o o l  d i s t r i c t  b y  y o u r  w h i t e  

y o u n g s t e r s  g o i n g  t o  B r i n k l e y ?

A. N o .

Q. Why d i d  y o u  e v e n  c a l l H . E . W . a b o u t  t h i s ?

A. I t  s t a t e s  r i g h t  t h e r e i n  t h e m i n u t e s  why we w e r e  g o i n g

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Q. S t a t e  i t  a g a i n  i n  d e t a i l ?

THE COURT: He j u s t  r e a d  i t .

MSo BUTLER, T h e  m i n u t e s  s p e a k  f o r  t h e m s e l v e s ,  

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MR. WALKER: He s a i d  t h i s  w a s n ' t  i m p o r t a n t ,  a n d

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THE COURT: You c a n  a s k  h i m  i f  h e  h a d  a n y  o t h e r

r e a s o n  f o r  w h a t  i t  s a y s .

Q. (MR. WALKER, c o n t i n u i n g ) :  Do y o u  h a v e  a n y  o t h e r  r e a s o n ;

A. J u s t  w a n t e d  t o  f i n d  o u t .

Q.  So  y o u  d o  a c k n o w l e d g e  t h a t  a n  i n s i g n i f i c a n t  m a t t e r  w a s

p u t  i n  t h e  m i n u t e s ?

A. (No r e s p o n s e . )

Q. Was M r .  K e n n e d y  p r e s e n t  a t  t h e  m e e t i n g  w h e r e  t h e

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A. I  d o n ' t  r e c a l l  w h e t h e r  h e  w a s  o r  n o t .

Q.  W h a t  i s  i t  a b o u t  y o u r  m e m o r y ?  You r e c a l l  t h e  c o m p l a i n t s

b u t  y o u  c a n ' t  r e c a l l  w h a t  h a p p e n e d  a t  t h e  m e e t i n g  o f  s u c h  

i m p o r t a n c e .  How i s  t h a t ,  s i r ?

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h e  w a s  t h e r e  t h a t  n i g h t  I  d o n ' t  r e m e m b e r ,

Q. I  w a n t  y o u  t o  s t a t e  w h e t h e r  h e  w a s ,  b y  y o u r  own s i g n a t u i

f r o m  t h e  m i n u t e s  o f  M a r c h  1 1 ,  1 9 6 8 ?

A .  " T h e  b o a r d  m e t  w i t h  M r .  S i d n e y  K e n n e d y  a s  p r o s p e c t i v e

s u p e r i n t e n d e n t .  M o t i o n  w a s  m a d e  a n d  s e c o n d e d  t o  h i r e  

M r .  K e n n e d y  a s  s u p e r i n t e n d e n t . "

Q. I t  c a r r i e d  u n a n i m o u s l y ,  d i d  i t  n o t ?

A. T h a t ' s  r i g h t .

Q.  R e a d  t h i s  s e n t e n c e .  ( P o i n t i n g . )

Q. " M o t i o n  m a d e  a n d  s e c o n d e d  t o  r e l e a s e  t h e  f o l l o w i n g

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J a c k s o n ,  M a l i s s a  M e e k s ,  M r s .  L .  R.  J a c k s o n .  I t  c a r r i e d  

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t o  y o u  a b o u t  r e t e n t i o n  o r  t e r m i n a t i o n  o f  t e a c h e r s ?

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was going to have to work with them.

Did you tell Mr. Jackson there was going to be a 

position open for a superintendent and he could reapply 

for it?

Mr. Jackson wasn't there that night.

Did you ever tell him, was my question?

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Did any body tell him to your knowledge?

Not to my knowledge they did not.

Did you consider him for employment as superintendent 

of the school district?

I didn't.

Did the board consider him?

They discussed the possibilities.

They did discuss the possibility in comparison with 

Mr. Kennedy, is that right?

I can't answer for the board.

I am asking you as the secretary?

I guess so.

And they decided they would not give him the opportunity 

to apply before hiring Mr. Kennedy, is that right?

No, Mr. Kennedy was hired the same night that Mr. Jacksci 

was released, I believe. Isn't that what the minutes 

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Q- All right, that's what you've stated. At that point

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teachers ?

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Q. Did Mr. Richardson ever make a recommendation to the

effect that these teachers would not be rehired?

A. I don't know whether he made a recommendation that they

would not be hired or not. He may have.

Q . You don't know?

A. No.

Q. Did he ever give a statement about these teachers in

writing?

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Q. I want you to look through these minutes from*March 11,

and thereafter and shortly before, and tell me whether 

or not there is any note to the effect that Mr. Richard­

son recommended the termination of these teachers?

A. (Observing.) No point in going any further than that.

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Q. So your records do not reflect it?

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Q. You fired them?

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Q. Before they were terminated, did Mr. Richardson make

any recommendations to you about that?

A. No, he never made a recommendation either way.

Q. He never made a recommendation either way. Did he tell

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grade?

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us the reports that he had heard on him.

Q. So the extent of your communication with the previous

superintendent about these four teachers who were 

dismissed was the reports that he received from the 

community and the creditors about their work?

A. That's right.

Q. So he did not come and give you a detailed statement

setting out how these particular teachers measured up 

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Q. M r .  J o n e s ,  t h i s  m e e t i n g  o n  M a r c h  1 1 ,  1 9 6 8 ,  i n  w h i c h  i t

w a s  d e t e r m i n e d  t o  t e r m i n a t e  t h e  c o n t r a c t s  o f  c e r t a i n  

t e a c h e r s  t h e  f o l l o w i n g  y e a r  ' 6 8 - 6 9 ,  i n c l u d e d  i n  t h a t  w a s  

t h e  nam e o f  J a m e s  C o o p e r .  Was h e  a  w h i t e  t e a c h e r  o r  

b l a c k ?

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MR. BUTLER: I  b e l i e v e  t h a t  i s  a l l

MR. WALKER: No m o r e  q u e s t i o n s .

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s e r v i c e s  t e r m i n a t e d ?

A .  We w e r e  n o t  s a t i s f i e d  w i t h  h i s  w o r k .

THE COURT: You m ay  s t a n d  a s i d e .  How m a n y  m o r e

w i t n e s s e s  d o  y o u  h a v e ,  M r .  B u t l e r ?

MR. BUTLER: We h a v e  t h r e e  m o r e .

THE COURT: I  t h i n k  we h a d  b e t t e r  r e c e s s  f o r  t h e

d a y  i f  y o u  h a v e  t h a t  m a n y  m o r e  w i t n e s s e s .

C o u r t  i s  i n  r e c e s s .

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f o l l o w i n g  m o r n i n g  a t  1 0 : 1 5  o ' c l o c k  
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p r o c e e d i n g s  w e r e  h a d  i n  o p e n  c o u r t : )  
M a r c h  1 4 ,  1 9 6 9 .

THE COURT: A r e  y o u  r e a d y  t o  p r o c e e d ,  G e n t l e m e n ?

COUNSEL: Y e s ,  Y o u r  H o n o r .

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THE COURTS You m ay  c a l l  y o u r  n e x t  w i t n e s s ,

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DIRECT EXAMINATION

BY MR. BUTLER:

Q. S t a t e  y o u r  f u l l  n a m e ,  p l e a s e ,  s i r ?

A. R u s s e l l  J a m e s  N o o s l e r ,

Q. W h a t  i s  y o u r  a g e ,  M r .  N o o s l e r ?

A. T h i r t y - f o u r .

Q. W h e r e  d o  y o u  r e s i d e ?

A . W h e a t l e y .

Q. How l o n g  h a v e  y o u  b e e n  a  r e s i d e n t  o f  W h e a t l e y a n d  t h a t

a r e a ?

A. S i n c e  ' 5 1 .

Q. W h e r e  w e r e  y o u  b o r n  a n d  r e a r e d ?

A . B o r n  i n  H u g h e s ,  t h e n  m o v e d  t o  R o n d o ,  t h e n  t h e r e  t o

W h e a t l e y .

Q. You h a v e  b e e n  a  r e s i d e n t  o f  A r k a n s a s  a l l  y o u r l i f e ?

A . Y e s ,  s i r .

Q. W h a t  i s  y o u r  b u s i n e s s  a n d  o c c u p a t i o n ?

A. Co H o c  t o i r  a n d  s a l G s m a n  for* D i x i o  F u 1rn i . tu .1r0 C om pany  i n

B r i n k l e y .

Q. I n  B r i n k l e y ,  A r k a n s a s ?

A. Y e s ,  s i r .

JOAN F. LINES 
U n i t e d  S t a t e s  C o u r t  R e p o r t e r  

F e d e r a l  B u i l d i n g

E l  D o r a d o . A r k a n s a s



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Q. And how  l o n g  h a v e  y o u  b e e n  c o n n e c t e d  w i t h  t h e  D i x i e

F u r n i t u r e  C o m p a n y ?

A .  A b o u t  f o u r  y e a r s ,

Q .  I  am a s k i n g  t h i s ,  h a v e  y o u  r e c e n t l y  p a r t i c i p a t e d  i n  a n

e l e c t i o n ?

A . I  h a v e .

Q. I n  t h e  W h e a t l e y  S c h o o l  D i s t r i c t ?

A. Y e s ,  s i r .

Q .  W h a t  w a s  t h e  n a t u r e  o f  y o u r  p a r t i c i p a t i o n ?

A .  I  r a n  f o r  s c h o o l  b o a r d  d i r e c t o r .

Q.  I s  t h a t  t h i s  e l e c t i o n  t h i s  p a s t  w e e k ?

A .  Y e s ,  s i r .

Q .  W h a t  w a s  t h e  r e s u l t  o f  t h a t ?

A .  I  won i t .

Q .  You w on a n d  y o u  a r e  c o m i n g  o n  t h e  s c h o o l  b o a r d  a t

W h e a t l e y ?

A .  R i g h t .

Q .  H a v e  y o u  b e e n  o f f i c i a l l y  c e r t i f i e d  y e t ?

A .  N o ,  s i r .

Q .  D u r i n g  t h e  f o u r  y e a r s  t h a t  y o u  h a v e  b e e n  w o r k i n g  w i t h

t h e  D i x i e  F u r n i t u r e  C om pany  a t  B r i n k l e y  h a v e  y o u  h a d  

o c c a s i o n  t o  h a v e  b u s i n e s s  w i t h  M r s .  M a l i s s a  M e e k s ?

A. I  h a v e ,  y e s ,  s i r .

Q .  H a s  s h e  b e e n  a  c u s t o m e r  o f  D i x i e  F u r n i t u r e  C om pany

d u r i n g  t h i s  f o u r - y e a r  p e r i o d ?

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U n i t e d  S t a t e s  C o u r t  R e p o r t e r  

F e d e r a l  B u i l d i n g  
E l  D o r a d o . A r k a n s a s



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A .  Y e s ,  s i r .

Q.  H as  s h e  b o u g h t  m e r c h a n d i s e  f r o m  t h e  D i x i e  F u r n i t u r e

C o m p a n y ?

A .  Y e s ,  s i r .

Q.  One  p u r c h a s e  o r  v a r i o u s  p u r c h a s e s ?

A .  M o re  t h a n  o n e .

Q. D i d  s h e  p a y  c a s h  f o r  t h e s e  p u r c h a s e s ,  o r  d i d  s h e  b u y

t h e m  on  c r e d i t  o r  t i m e ?

A .  I t  w a s  o n  t i m e .

Q. How h a s  s h e  h a n d l e d  h e r  a c c o u n t s  w i t h  D i x i e  F u r n i t u r e

C o m p a n y ?

A .  W e l l ,  s h e  h a s  b e e n  s l o w .

Q. H a s  s h e  b e e n  d e l i n q u e n t  f o r  l o n g  p e r i o d s  o f  t i m e ?

A .  W e l l ,  u e s , s i r .  I  w o u l d  s a y  t h e  m o s t  s h e  h a s  g o n e

w i t h o u t  p a y i n g  w o u l d  b e  t w o  o r  t h r e e  m o n t h s .

Q. W e l l ,  h a v e  y o u  a l l  t r i e d  t o  c o l l e c t  a c c o u n t s  a n d  f r o m

t i m e  t o  t i m e  c a l l e d  t h i s  t o  t h e  a t t e n t i o n  o f  t h e  s c h o o l  

b o a r d  o f  t h e  W h e a t l e y  S c h o o l  D i s t r i c t ?

A .  I  t a l k e d  t o  M r .  R i c h a r d s o n  o n c e  w h e n  h e  w a s  t h e r e ,  a n d

h e  s a i d  h e  c o u l d n ' t  h e l p  m e ,  a n d  I  t h i n k  I  t a l k e d  t o  

M r . J o n e s  o n c e .

Q. M r .  B i l l y  J o n e  J o n e s ,  a  m e m b e r  o f  t h e  s c h o o l  b o a r d ?

A .  Y e s ,  s i r .

Q.  H a v e  y o u  t a l k e d  t o  a n y  o t h e r  m e m e m b e r s  o f  t h e  s c h o o l

b o a r d ,  i f  y o u  r e c a l l ?

J O A N  F. L I N E S
U N I T E D  STA TES C O U R T  REPOR TER

F e d e r a l  B u i l o i n g

E l  D o r a d o . A r k a n s a s



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Q. How l o n g  h a v e  y o u  b e e n  r e s i d i n g  i n  W h e a t l e y ?

A .  A b o u t  f o u r  y e a r s ;  n o ,  a b o u t  s i x  y e a r s .

Q. D u r i n g  t h a t  p e r i o d  o f  t i m e  h a v e  y o u  p e r s o n a l l y  know n

o f  a n y  o f  t h e  c o m p l a i n t s  t h a t  h a v e  b e e n  t e s t i f i e d  t o ?

MR0 WALKER: O b j e c t i o n ,  Y o u r  H o n o r .

THE COURT: He c a n  t e s t i f y  t o  w h a t  h e  k n o w s .

Q- (MR. BUTLER, c o n t i n u i n g ) ;  H a v e  y o u  p e r s o n a l l y  know n

o f  a n y  o f  t h e  c o m p l a i n t s  t h a t  h a v e  b e e n  m a d e  i n  t h e  

c o m m u n i t y  a b o u t  t h e  q u a l i t y  o f  t h e  t e a c h i n g  o f  L .  R.  

J a c k s o n ,  M a l i s s a  M e e k s ,  o r  M r s .  J a c k s o n ?

A .  P e r s o n a l l y ,  I  d o n ' t  kn o w  o f  a n y .

Q -  Y ou  h a v e n o t  h e a r d  o f  a n y ,  y o u  h a v e  j u s t  com e o n  t h e

s c h o o l  b o a r d ,  i s  t h a t  r i g h t ?

A .  Y e s ,  s i r .

Q .  And y o u  p e r s o n a l l y  d o  no t .  k n o w .  I  a s k e d  y o u  t h a t

q u e s t i o n  a n d  I h a d n ' t  h e r e t o f o r e ,  a n d  I  j u s t  w a n t e d  t o  

k n o w  i f  y o u  h a d  k n o w n .  Do y o u  k n o w  o f  a n y  o t h e r  c r e d i t o c  

who h a d  t r o u b l e ,  o f  y o u r  own p e r s o n a l  k n o w l e d g e ,  c o l l e c t ­

i n g  t h e i r  o b l i g a t i o n s  f r o m  M r s .  M a l i s s a  M e e k s ?

A. I  k n o w  o f  o n e  who h a s .

Q. Who i s  t h i s ?

A. A man who r u n s  a  b u s i n e s s ,  a  d e p a r t m e n t  s t o r e ,  a s k e d

me w h e r e  s h e  l i v e d  h e r e  som e t i m e  a g o .

Q. B e c a u s e  s h e  d i d  owe t h e m  m o n e y ?

J O A N  F.  L I N E S  
U n i t e d  S t a t e s  C o u r t  R e p o r t e r  

F e d e r a l  B u i l d i n g

E l  D o r a d o , A r k a n s a s

A. Not that I recall.



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MR. WALKER: O b j e c t i o n ,  Y o u r  H o n o r .

MR. BUTLER: T h a t  i s  a l l .

CROSS EXAMINATION

BY MR. WALKER:

Q .  M r .  N o o s l e r ,  y o u  d o  n o t  kn o w  a n y  o f  t h e  f a c t s  o f  y o u r  own 

k n o w l e d g e  r e l a t i n g  t o  t h e  d i s m i s s a l  o f  t h e s e  f o u r  

t e a c h e r s ,  d o  y o u ?

A. I  d o  n o t .

Q .  A nd  y o u  h a d  n o t h i n g  t o  d o  w i t h  i t ?

A. T h a t ' s  r i g h t .

Q.  A t  t h e  D i x i e  F u r n i t u r e  C om pany  —  w h a t  i s  y o u r  p o s i t i o n

a g a i n ?

A .  C o l l e c t o r  a n d  s a l e s m a n .

Q. W e r e  y o u  t h e  p e r s o n  who m a d e  s a l e s  t o  M r s .  M e e k s ?

A .  I  w a s  n o t .

Q.  Do y o u  k n o w  w h a t  i t e m s  s h e  p u r c h a s e d ?

A .  I  d o  n o t .

Q .  Do y o u  k n o w  w h a t  t h e  a m o u n t  o f  t h o s e  i t e m s  w a s ,  t h e  t o t e

a m o u n t ?

A .  E x a c t l y ,  n o .

Q .  Do y o u  kn o w  w h a t  t h e  t e r m s  o f  h e r  p a y m e n t s  w e r e ?

A .  I  k n o w  w h a t  h e r  p a y m e n t s  a r e  now .

Q. You k n o w  w h a t  h e r  o r i g i n a l  t e r m s  f o r  p a y m e n t  w e r e ?

A . N o .

J O A N  F. L I N E S  
U n i t e d  S t a t e s  C o u r t  R e p o r t e r  

F e d e r a l  B u i l d i n g

E l  D o r a d o . A r k a n s a s

A. That is what he said.



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Q. Who i s  t h e  m a n a g e r  o f  t h e  s t o r e ?

A .  O t i s  C o x .

Q. D i d  M r .  C ox  a u t h o r i z e  t h e  s a l e  o f  f u r n i t u r e ?

A .  He a u t h o r i z e s  a l l  s a l e s .

Q. W e re  y o u  e m p l o y e d  t h e r e  a t  t h e  t i m e  s h e  m a d e  t h e

p u r c h a s e s  ?

A .  T h e  l a s t  o n e ,  y e s .

Q. A t  t h e  t i m e  s h e  m a d e  t h e  i n i t i a l  p u r c h a s e s ?

A. On t h e  a c c o u n t  s h e  h a s  now ,  y e s .

Q .  When d i d  y o u  f i r s t  g o  t o  w o r k  t h e r e ?

A. A b o u t  f o u r  y e a r s  a g o .  I  w e n t  t o  w o r k  i n  J u l y ,  e i t h e r

f o u r  y e a r s  t h i s  J u l y ,  o r  f i v e .

Q. T h i s  w a s  1 9 6 5 ?

A .  Y e s .

Q. H a s  t h e  D i x i e  F u r n i t u r e  Com pany  e v e r  s u e d  M r s .  M e e k s ?

A .  N o t  t h a t  I  know  o f .

Q. When d i d  M r s .  M e e k s  f i r s t  b e c o m e  d e l i n q u e n t ?

A .  O f f h a n d  I  c o u l d n ' t  s a y .

Q. I s n ' t  i t  t r u e  t h a t  t h e  f u r n i t u r e  c o m p a n y  p u r s u e d  a

p o l i c y  o f  o n l y  s e l l i n g  f u r n i t u r e  t o  p e o p l e  w i t h  g o o d  

r i s k s ,  a t  t h e  t i m e  o f  m a k i n g  t h e  i n i t i a l  s a l e  —- 

t h a t  i s ,  t o  a  p e r s o n  w ho  h a s  f a i r l y  g o o d  c r e d i t ?

A .  T h a t  i s  p o s s i b l e .

Q . And i s n ' t  i t  t r u e  t h a t  a t  t h e  t i m e  M r s .  M e e k s  m a d e  t h e s e

p u r c h a s e s  t h a t  s h e  h a d  g o o d  c r e d i t ?

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U n i t e d  S t a t e s  C o u r t  R e p o r t e r  

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Q. I s n ' t  i t  a l s o  t r u e  t h a t  y o u  k n e w  a b o u t  M r s .  M e e k s

m i s f o r t u n e  w i t h  h e r  h o m e ?

A .  I  k n e w .

Q. W o u l d  n o t  t h i s  b e  a  r e a s o n  f o r  h e r  h a v i n g  d i f f i c u l t i e s

i n  m e e t i n g  h e r  o b l i g a t i o n s ?

A .  On t h i s  a c c o u n t  i t  c o u l d .

Q. I s n ' t  i t  a l s o  a  r e a s o n  w hy  D i x i e  F u r n i t u r e  h a s  d e c i d e d

o r  c h o s e n  n o t  t o  t r y  t o  c o l l e c t  i t s  m o n e y  b y  c o u r t  s u i t ?

A. I  d o u b t  i t .

Q.  I s n ' t  i t  t r u e  t h a t  M r s .  M e e k s  h a s  c o n t i n u a l l y  t r i e d

t o  m e e t  h e r  o b l i g a t i o n s ,  a n d  s h e  h a s  come i n  a n d  h a d  

h e r  l o a n  r e f i n a n c e d  a n d  t h a t  s h e  h a s  b e e n  c o n t i n u a l l y  

t r y i n g  t o  p a y  t h a t ?

A .  S h e  p a y s .

Q. S h e  p a y s ;  a n d  s h e  h a s  m a de  a n  e f f o r t  t o  p a y ,  h a s n ' t  s h e ?

A .  You c o u l d  s a y  t h a t ,  I  g u e s s .

Q .  S h e  h a s n ' t  a l w a y s  t a l k e d  w i t h  y o u  a b o u t  t h i s  h a s  s h e ?

A .  N o r m a l l y  s h e  d o e s .  O f  c o u r s e  t h e r e  i s  t i m e s  w h e n  s h e

h a s  g o n e  t o  t h e  s t o r e  a n d  t a l k e d  t o  t h e  b o s s .

Q. You a r e  n o t  t h e  b o s s ?

A .  T h a t  i s  r i g h t .

Q.  Now, how  l o n g  i s  t h e  a c c o u n t  d e l i n q u e n t  a n d  i n  w h a t

a m o u n t ?

A .  As  o f  now?

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U n i t e d  S t a t e s  C o u r t  R e p o r t e r  

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E l  D o r a d o . A r k a n s a s

A. That I couldn't say, I assume she did.



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Q. Yes.

A. As of tomorrow it will be eight months behind.

Q. How long has it been delinquent, is my point?

A. Ever since not too long after it was refinanced.

Q. Right after her home was burned?

A. it was refinanced, I believe, back last March.

Q. Would the fact that she had been terminated from her

employment bear on her ability to pay?

A - It could have something to do with it since that time.

Q. Has she at all times manifest to you or stated to you

her intention to fulfill her obligation?

A. Oh, yes.

Q. She has —  now what is the total amount of that

obligation? You did not state that.

A. As of now?

Q. As of now.

A. As of now she owes about two hundred dollars and

someth! rg.

Q. About two hundred dollars?

A. Give or take a little.

Q. How much does she pay you per month?

A. Sixteen someting —  $16.20, I believe.

Q. $16.20 is her schedule?

A. Right.

Q. And you have not received any complaints of her teaching

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U n i t e d  S t a t e s  C o u r t  R e p o r t e r  

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o r  t e a c h i n g  o f  M r .  J a c k s o n  o r  M r s .  J a c k s o n ,  h a v e  y o u ?

A .  N o t  t h a t  I  r e c a l l ,  p e r s o n a l l y .

Q. Now, t h i s  o t h e r  o n e  c r e d i t o r .  You  d o n ' t  k n o w  a n y t h i n g

a b o u t  t h a t  o b l i g a t i o n ,  d o  y o u ,  o f  y o u r  own k n o w l e d g e ?

A .  N o , s i r .

Q .  Y ou  d o n ' t  k n o w  i n  f a c t  t h a t  s h e  o w e s  h i m  a n y t h i n g ,

d o  y o u ?

A. O t h e r  t h a n  h e  s a i d  s h e  d i d ,  t h a t  i s  a l l .

Q .  You h a v e  n e v e r  s e e n  a  b i l l  a n d  y o u  d i d  n o t  w i t n e s s

h e r  p u r c h a s e ?

A .  I  d i d  n o t .

MR. WALKER: T h a n k  y o u .

EXAMINATION BY THE COURT

Q. M r .  N o o s l e r ,  I  am a  l i t t l e  c o n f u s e d  a b o u t  t h i s  m a t t e r

a n d  w o u l d  l i k e  t o  g e t  t h e  f a c t s  s t r a i g h t  on i t .  You 

t o l d  M r .  B u t l e r  t h a t  s h e  h a d  b e e n  d e l i n q u e n t  i n  p a y m e n t s  

f o r  tw o  o r  t h r e e  m o n t h s ,  i s  t h a t  t r u e ?

A .  Y e s ,  s i r .

Q.  I  u n d e r s t a n d  y o u  t o  s a y  t o  M r .  W a l k e r  j u s t n o w  t h a t  s h e

h a d  b e e n  d e l i n q u e n t  e i g h t  m o n t h s ?

A .  W e l l ,  s h e  h a s  g o n e  t w o  o r  t h r e e  m o n t h s  w i t h o u t  p a y i n g

a t  a l l .  B u t  a s  o f  r i g h t  now s h e  h a s  g o t t e n  e i g h t  p a y ­

m e n t s  b e h i n d  s i n c e  s h e  r e f i n a n c e d  h e r  a c c o u n t .  B u t  s h e  

h a s n ' t  p a i d  me now s i n c e  D e c e m b e r ,  w h i c h  i s  w h a t ,  t h r e e  

m o n t h s ?

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Q. How l o n g  h a s  t h i s  a c c o u n t  b e e n  g o i n g  o n  t h e n ,  t h e

r e f i n a n c i n g  o f  i t ?

A. S h e  b o u g h t  a b o u t  —  r o u g h l y  I  w o u l d  s a y  t w o  y e a r s  a g o

o n  t h i s  a c c o u n t  r i g h t  a f t e r  h e r  h o u s e  b u r n e d ,  w h e n e v e r  

t h a t  w a s .

Q. A l l  o f  t h i s  d e v e l o p e d  r i g h t  a f t e r  h e r  h o u s e  b u r n e d  t h e n ?

A .  T h i s  a c c o u n t ,  y e s ,  s i r ,  s h e  h a s  h a d  o n e  b e f o r e .

Q. B u t  t h a t  w a s  t a k e n  c a r e  o f ?

A. Y e s .

Q. And y o u  a g a i n  d i d  e x t e n d  c r e d i t  t o  h e r  a f t e r  t h a t ?

A. I  b e l i e v e ,  s i r ,  s h e  p a i d  t h e  o t h e r  o n e  o f f  a n d  t h e y

r e s o l d  o r  a d d e d  t o  t h e  o t h e r ,  o f f h a n d  I  c o u l d n ' t  s a y ,  

b u t  t h e y  d i d  s e l l  h e r  som e  m o r e .

Q .  Do y o u  h a v e  o t h e r  a c c o u n t s  t h a t  c a u s e  s i m i l a r  p r o b l e m s ?

A. Y e s ,  s i r .

Q.  T h e n  a  m a t t e r  o f  t h i s  k i n d  i s  n o t  s o  u n u s u a l  i s  i t ?

A .  No,  s i r ,  i t  i s  n o t .

MR. WALKER: May I  a s k .

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Q. W h a t  w a s  t h e  d a t e  s h e  r e f i n a n c e d  h e r  a c c o u n t ?

A .  I t  w a s  i n  M a r c h .

Q. W h a t  y e a r ?

A .  L a s t  y e a r .

Q.  1 9 6 8 ?

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Q. M r .  N o o s l e r ,  y o u  s a y  s h e  d i d  h a v e  a n  a c c o u n t  w i t h  D i x i e

F u r n i t u r e  C om pany  p r i o r  t o  t h e  p u r c h a s e  t h a t  s h e  m a d e  

w h e n  s h e  h a d  t h e  f i r e  - -  I  b e l i e v e  s h e  t e s t i f i e d  i n  

1 9 6 6  - -  s h e  d i d  h a v e  a n  a c c o u n t  w i t h  t h e  c o m p a n y  p r i o r  

t o  t h e n ?

A .  Y e s ,  s i r .

Q.  W h a t  w a s  t h e  s t a t u s  o f  t h a t  a c c o u n t ,  d i d  t h e  c o m p a n y

h a v e  t r o u b l e  c o l l e c t i n g  i t ,  w a s  s h e  p r o m p t  i n  h e r  

p a y m e n t s  ?

A. S h e  w a s  b e h i n d  a n d  I  h a v e  b e e n  t o  s e e  h e r .

Q.  i n  o t h e r  w o r d s ,  t h i s  h a s  b e e n  a  c o u r s e  i n  h e r  c a s e  e v e r

s i n c e  y o u r  c o m p a n y  h a s  b e e n  d e a l i n g  w i t h  h e r ,  i s  t h a t  

r i g h t ?

A .  E v e r  s i n c e  I  h a v e  b e e n  t h e r e .

Q .  F o r  t h e  p a s t  f o u r  y e a r s ?

A .  F o u r  y e a r s ,  y e s  s i r .

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Q. I f  s h e  h a d  b e e n  s u c h  a  b a d  c u s t o m e r ,  why d i d  y o u

c o n t i n u e  t o  g r a n t  h e r  c r e d i t ?

A. I  d i d n ’ t .

Q .  B u t  t h e  c o m p a n y  b o s s  d i d ,  d i d n ' t  h e ?

A .  T h a t ' s  r i g h t .

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Q. Why w o u l d  h e  c o n t i n u e  t o  g r a n t  h e r  n e w  c r e d i t  i f  s h e

h a d  b e e n  s u c h  a  p o o r  c u s t o m e r  i n  h e r  p a y m e n t s ?

A .  I  a s k  m y s e l f  t h a t  a l l  t h e  t i m e .

Q. How f a r  b e h i n d  w a s  s h e  on  h e r  o t h e r  a c c o u n t ,  a n d  w h a t

w a s  t h e  a m o u n t  o f  t h e  a c c o u n t ?

A .  O f f h a n d  I  c o u l d n ' t  s a y .  S h e  h a d  i t  w h e n  I  w e n t  t o  w o r k

a n d  I  d o n ' t  r e m e m b e r  how  b i g  t h e  p a y m e n t s  w e r e .

Q. You d o n ' t  kn o w  a n y t h i n g  a b o u t  i t ,  d o  y o u ?

A .  I  d o  k n o w  t h a t  I  w e n t  t o  s e e  h e r .

Q .  On how  m a n y  o c c a s i o n s ?

A .  T h a t  I  c o u l d n ' t  s a y .  I  h a v e  b e e n  t o  t h e  h o u s e  t h a t

b u r n e d  m o r e  t h a n  o n c e ,  a n d  I  w e n t  t o  t h e  s c h o o l .

Q.  How f a r  w a s  s h e  b e h i n d ?  A d a y ,  a  w e e k ,  a  m o n t h ,  t h r e e

m o n t h s ,  o r  w h a t  a t  t h e  t i m e  y o u  w e n t  t o  s e e  h e r ?

A .  N o r m a l l y  t w o  p a y m e n t s  a r e  d u e  b e f o r e  we g o  s e e  o n e .

Q. N o r m a l l y ?

A .  Y e s .

Q. W h a t  a b o u t  i n  h e r  c a s e ,  d i d  y o u  f o l l o w  t h e  n o r m a l _

p r a c t i c e ?

A .  Y e s .

Q. D i d  y o u  w r i t e  h e r  a  l e t t e r ?

A. T h e y  s e n d  s t a t e m e n t s  e v e r y  m o n t h .

Q. D i d  y o u  w r i t e  h e r  a  l e t t e r  a d v i s i n g  h e r  o f  t h e  d e l i n q u e n t

A .  I  d i d  n o t .

Q.  You d o n ' t  r e m e m b e r  w h e t h e r  o n e  w a s  w r i t t e n  o r  n o t ?

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A .  I  kn o w  o n e  w a s  w r i t t e n .

Q. You kn o w  w h e r e  i t  w a s  m a i l e d ?

A . I  d o n  11 . 1

Q. You kn o w  w h e t h e r  i t  w a s  r e c e i v e d ?

A .  I  d o n ' t .

Q.  You d o n ' t  kn o w  w h a t  i t e m s  i t  w a s  f o r  o r  a n y t h i n g  a b o u t

t h a t  e a r l i e r  a c c o u n t ,  d o  y o u ?

A .  I  d o  n o t .

Q- Do y o u  k n o w  w h e t h e r  if s h e  w e r e  e m p l o y e d  now ,  a n d  i f  s h e

c o u l d  f u l f i l l  t h i s  o b l i g a t i o n ,  t h a t  y o u  w o u l d  e x t e n d  

h e r  o t h e r  c r e d i t ?

A .  I  d o  n o t  know  t h a t .

Q .  Now, o n  t h e  f i r s t  a c c o u n t  b e f o r e  h e r  h o u s e  w a s  b u r n e d ,

d i d  y o u  h a v e  o c c a s i o n  t o  t e l l  M r .  R i c h a r d s o n  a b o u t  h e r  

d e l i n q u i e n c i e s ?

A .  N o t  b e f o r e  h e r  h o u s e  b u r n e d ,  n o .

Q. D i d  y o u  h a v e  o c c a s i o n  t o  b r i n g  t h i s  m a t t e r  t o  t h e

a t t e n t i o n  o f  t h e  s c h o o l  b o a r d ?

A. B e f o r e  h e r  h o u s e  b u r n e d ,  n o .

Q. H a v e  y o u  e v e r  s o u g h t  t o  g a r n i s h e e  h e r  w a g e s ?

A .  I t  h a s  b e e n  t h o u g h t  a b o u t .

Q.  No,  h a v e  y o u  e v e r  s o u g h t  t o  g a r n i s h e e  h e r  w a g e s ?

A .  N o .

q . So e v e n  a f t e r  s h e  b e c a m e  d e l i n q u e n t  a f t e r  h e r  h o u s e

b u r n e d ,  y o u  m a de  n o  l e g a l  e f f o r t  t o  e f f e c t  c o l l e c t i o n ?

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A .  T h a t ' s  r i g h t .

MR. WALKER: T h a t  i s  a l l .

THE COURT: S t a n d  a s i d e .

WHEREUPON;

ROBERT Go NOOSLER, a  d e f e n d a n t  i n  t h e  c a s e ,  c a l l e d  on  

b e h a l f  o f  t h e  D e f e n d a n t s ,  b e i n g  d u l y  s w o r n ,  t e s t i f i e d  

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Qo S t a t e  y o u r  f u l l  n a m e ?

A .  R o b e r t  G. N o o s l e r .

Q .  How o l d  a r e  y o u ,  s i r ?

A .  T h i r t y - o n e .

Q. W h e r e  d o  y o u  r e s i d e ?

A .  I  r e s i d e  a t  P a l e s t i n e .  My k i d s  g o  t o  s c h o o l  a t  W h e a t l e y .

Q. You a r e  i n  t h e  W h e a t l e y  S c h o o l  D i s t r i c t ?

A .  I  am i n  t h e  W h e a t l e y  S c h o o l  D i s t r i c t .

Q.  How l o n g  h a v e  y o u  r e s i d e d  i n  t h i s  a r e a ?

A .  I  h a v e  b e e n  i n  t h i s  a r e a  a b o u t  s i x  y e a r s .

Q. W h a t  i s  y o u r  b u s i n e s s ?

A .  I  am a n  e m p l o y e e  o f  W a r w i c k  E l e c t r o n i c s ,  F o r r e s t  C i t y ,

A r k a n s a s .

Q. Do y o u  d r i v e  t o  w o r k  e v e r y  d a y  t o  F o r r e s t  C i t y ?

A .  Y e s ,  s i r .

Q .  Do y o u  h a v e  a  p o s i t i o n  w i t h  t h e  W h e a t l e y  S c h o o l  D i s t r i c t ?

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A. Yes, sir, I do.

Q. You are one of the defendants in this case?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. How long have you been a member of the Board of the

Wheatley School District?

A. I was elected to the board in September, 1967.

Q. Have you attended all regular and special meetings of

the Board of the Wheatley School District since you 

have been on that board?

A. Yes,sir.

Q. Mr. Noosler, were you present at the March 11, 1968,

meeting of the board?

A. Yes, sir, I was.

Q. A copy of the minutes have been introduced in this

record as Plaintiffs' Exhibit No. 9. The minutes of 

this meeting state that Mr. Sidney Kennedy, prospective 

superintendent, attended that meeting. Is that right?

A. That is correct.

Q. What action did you all take in regard to hiring him

at that time?

A. We talked about his qualifications and decided that we

would hire Mr. Kennedy as superintendent.

Q. At that same meeting did you all take action on what

teachers you would retain and hire for the year '68-69, 

and those whose contracts you would terminate?

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A .  Y e s , s i r ,  we d i d .

Q. D i d  M r .  K e n n e d y  h a v e  a n y t h i n g  t o  d o  w i t h  t h i s  d e c i s i o n ?

A .  N o ,  s i r .

Q.  M r .  N o o s l e r ,  why w a s  i t  t h a t  t h e  b o a r d  d i d  n o t  m a ke  a

d e c i s i o n  t o  m ove  t h e  p u p i l s  f r o m  W h e a t l e y  C e n t r a l  E l e ­

m e n t a r y  o v e r  t o  W h e a t l e y  E l e m e n t a r y  u n t i l  A p r i l  2 ,

1 9 6 8 ?

A .  B e c a u s e  t h e  f r e e d o m - o f - c h o i c e  f o r m s  t h a t  we h a d  s e n t

o u t  t o  t h e  p u p i l s  h a d  n o t  b e e n  r e t u r n e d .  We d i d  n o t  

kn o w  a t  t h a t  t i m e  how m a n y  c h i l d r e n  w o u l d  s t i l l  b e  a t  

C e n t r a l  S c h o o l .

Q.  B u t  now o n  A p r i l  2 ,  1 9 6 8 ,  y o u  h a d  h a d  t h e s e  f o r m s

r e t u r n e d ,  i s  t h a t  r i g h t ?

A .  Y e s ,  s i r .

Q .  A t  t h a t  t i m e  w h a t  d e c i s i o n  w a s  m a d e ?

A. O u r  d e c i s i o n  w a s  m a de  t o  move a l l  t h e  c h i l d r e n  t o

W h e a t l e y  E l e m e n t a r y  b e c a u s e  t h e r e  w a s  o n l y  a p p r o x i m a t e l y  

t h i r t y  t o  t h i r t y - t w o  c h i l d r e n  t h a t  w i s h e d  t o  s t a y  a t  

W h e a t l e y  C e n t r a l  S c h o o l ,  a n d  t h i s  w a s  n o t  a d e q u a t e  f o r  

u s  t o  h a v e  f i v e  t e a c h e r s  f o r  t h e s e  f e w  p u p i l s .

Q.  D i d  t h i s  a c t i o n  a b o u t  f r e e d o m  o f  c h o i c e  h a v e  a n y t h i n g

t o  d o  w i t h  t h e  d e t e r m i n a t i o n  o r  t h e  d e c i s i o n  o f  t h e  

s c h o o l  b o a r d  n o t  t o  r e h i r e ,  o r  t o  t e r m i n a t e ,  t h e  

c o n t r a c t s  o f  M r .  J a c k s o n ,  M r s .  J a c k s o n  a n d  M r s .  M e e k s ?

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Q. What was the basis of your action as a member of the

school board and the school board's action in deciding 

to terminate their contracts for the following year?

A. The reason we decided to terminate the contracts was

because of the complaints we had had, and to try to get 

better quality teachers.

Q. There have been exhibited here two or three minutes of

the meetings in which complaints were mentioned against 

L. R. Jackson, and that is all. Do the minutes of the 

school board of which we have a record reflect all of 

the discussions and the complaints that were made agains 

these teachers?

A. No, the minutes don't reflect all of them.

Q. In numbers how many complaints would you say during

your tenure on the school board came to your attention, 

and the members of the board, about these teachers?

A. During my time it was —  mine came mostly from other

directors and from the former superintendent.

Q. The former superintendent; which one was that, sir?

A. Mr. Richardson.
Q. As a member of the board, and as a board, did you all

rely on the superintendent, Mr. Richardson, for his 

recommendations in regard to teachers?

A. Yes, sir.
Q. At the present time what is the nature of your policy

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i n  r e g a r d  t o  t e a c h e r s ?

A .  We s t i l l  r e l y  o n  t h e  s u p e r i n t e n d e n t ,  h i s  k n o w l e d g e .  He

i s  t h e  o n e  t h a t  c h e c k s  i n t o  t h e i r  r e c o r d s  a n d  a l l  t h e  

r e c o m m e n d a t i o n s .

Q. And m a k e s  r e c o m m e n d a t i o n s  t o  t h e  b o a r d ?

A .  Y e s ,  s i r .

Q.  Now, on  w h o s e  r e c o m m e n d a t i o n  w a s  i t ,  o r  w h o s e  i n v e s t i g a ­

t i o n  w a s  i t ,  t h a t  y o u  a l l  d e c i d e d  o n  M a r c h  1 1 ,  1 9 6 8 ,  

t o  t e r m i n a t e  t h e  c o n t r a c t s ,  o r  g i v e  n o t i c e  o f  t e r m i n a t i o  

t o  M r .  J a c k s o n ,  M r s .  J a c k s o n  a n d  M r s .  M e e k s ?

A .  T h e  b o a r d  d e c i d e d  t h i s  a f t e r  h e a r i n g  some o f  t h e

c o m p l a i n t s ,  a n d  b e c a u s e  e a r l i e r  M r .  R i c h a r d s o n  s a i d  

h e  t h o u g h t  i t  w o u l d  b e  a  g o o d  p o l i c y  i f  we d i d n ' t  r e t a i n  

t h e s e  t e a c h e r s  b e c a u s e  o f  t h i s .

Q.  B e c a u s e  o f  t h e  q u a l i t y  o f  t e a c h i n g ?

A .  C o r r e c t .

Q .  W e r e  a n y  c o m p l a i n t s  m a de  t o  y o u  o r  t o  t h e  b o a r d  w h e n

y o u  w e r e  p r e s e n t  a b o u t  t h e  h a n d l i n g  o f  t h e  i n d e b t e d n e s s  

o f  t h e s e  t e a c h e r s ?

A .  N o t  w h e n  I  w as  p r e s e n t ,  n o ,  s i r .

Q.  N o t  w h e n  y o u  w e r e  p r e s e n t ?

A. N o ,  s i r .

Q .  W h e r e  d i d  y o u  h e a r  t h e s e  c o m p l a i n t s ?

MR. WALKER: O b j e c t i o n ,  Y o u r  H o n o r ,  h e  s a i d

h e  d i c h ‘ t  e v e n  h e a r  a n y  c o m p l a i n t s .

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b o a r d  m e e t i n g s .

Q .  (MR. BUTLER, c o n t i n u i n g ) : H a v e  y o u  p e r s o n a l l y  h e a r d

a n y  c o m p l a i n t s  s i n c e  y o u  h a v e  b e e n  a  m e m b er  o f  t h e  b o a r d  

a b o u t  t h e  h a n d l i n g  o f  t h e i r  i n d e b t e d n e s s ?

THE COURT; T h a t  i s  a l l  h e a r s a y ,  M r .  B u t l e r ,  

i f  h e  d o e s n ’ t  k n o w  a n y t h i n g  a b o u t  i t  h i m s e l f .

MR. BUTLER: Y o u r  H o n o r ,  h e r e t o f o r e  some o f  t h e

w i t n e s s e s  h a v e  t e s t i f i e d  t h a t  c o m p l a i n t s  w e r e  m a d e  t o  

t h e m .

THE COURT: P e r s o n a l l y  m a d e  c o m p l a i n t s  t o  t h e m ;

b u t  y o u  a r e  t a l k i n g  a b o u t  h e a r s a y  o f  i n d e b t e d n e s s  n o w .

MR. BUTLER: May I  a s k  h i m  i f  a n y  c o m p l a i n t s

w e r e  m a d e ?

THE COURT: T h a t  i s  a  d i f f e r e n t  q u e s t i o n .

A .  C o m p l a i n t s  w e r e  n o t  m a d e  t o  m e .  C o m p l a i n t s  I  g o t  w a s

f r o m  t h e  o t h e r  b o a r d  d i r e c t o r s .

Q.  (MR. BUTLER, c o n t i n u i n g ) :  I  s e e .  And y o u  c am e  on  t h e

b o a r d  w h e n ?

A .  S e p t e m b e r ,  1 9 6 7 .

Q. I s  t h a t  t h e  l a s t  y e a r  i n  w h i c h  t h e s e  t e a c h e r s  t a u g h t

i n  t h e  s c h o o l ?

A .  Y e s ,  s i r .

Q.  T h e i r  l a s t  s c h o o l  y e a r ?

A. Y e s ,  s i r .

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CROSS EXAMINATION

BY MR. WALKER:

Q. On w h a t  d a t e  d i d  t h e  b o a r d  r e c e i v e  t h e  r e s i g n a t i o n

o f  M r .  R i c h a r d s o n ?

A .  I  d o n ' t  r e c a l l  t h e  e x a c t  d a t e .

Q. W o u l d  i t  b e  M a r c h  1 1 ,  1 9 6 8 ?

A. I don't recall.

Q* I s n ' t  i t  t r u e  t h a t  y o u  r e c e i v e d  t h e  w r i t t e n  r e s i g n a t i o n

f r o m  M r .  R i c h a r d s o n  t h e  sam e  d a y  y o u  r e c e i v e d  t h e  

a p p l i c a t i o n  f r o m  M r .  K e n n e d y ,  a n d  t h e  s a m e  d a t e  y o u  

d e c i d e d  t o  h i r e  M r .  K e n n e d y ?

A. I  d o n ' t  r e a l l y  r e c a l l  i f  i t  w a s  t h e  s a m e  d a y  o r  n o t .  ‘

I t  w a s  c l o s e ,  b u t  I  d o n ' t  k n o w .

Q. D i d  t h e  b o a r d  p r i o r  t o  m e e t i n g  w i t h  M r .  K e n n e d y  c o n s i d e r

a n y  o t h e r  p e r s o n  f o r  t h e  p o s i t i o n  a s  s u p e r i n t e n d e n t ,  

p r i o r  t o  t h e  t i m e  t h a t  M r .  K e n n e d y  m e t  w i t h  t h e m ?

A .  P r i o r  t o  t h e  t i m e ?

Q. Y e s .

A. N o t  p r i o r  t o  t h e  t i m e .

Q. Now a t  t h e  t i m e  M r .  K e n n e d y  m e t  w i t h  t h e  b o a r d ,  d i d

M r .  K e n n e d y  p a r t i c i p a t e  i n  a n y  d i s c u s s i o n  t h a t  y o u  may 

h a v e  h a d  a b o u t  t h e s e  t e a c h e r s  who w e r e  d i s m i s s e d ?

A. N o t  t h a t  I  c a n  r e m e m b e r .

Q. D i d  M r .  R i c h a r d s o n  p r e p a r e  a  w r i t t e n  s t a t e m e n t  s e t t i n g

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o u t  r e a s o n s  i n  s u p p o r t  o f  w h a t  y o u  s a y  h i s  r e c o m m e n d a t i c  

w a s  t o  h a v e  t h e s e  t e a c h e r s  t e r m i n a t e d ?

A. No,  n o t  w r i t t e n .

Q. H as  M r .  R i c h a r d s o n  e v e r  w r i t t e n  o u t  a n y  e v a l u a t i o n  o f

t h e s e  t e a c h e r s  t h a t  y o u  h a v e  a c c e s s  t o ?

A .  N o .

Q. Do y o u  h a v e  i n  h i s  p e r s o n n e l  f i l e s ,  o r  i n  t h e i r  p e r s o n n e

f i l e s ,  a n y  w r i t t e n  c r i t i c i s m s  o f  t h e i r  w o r k  f r o m  

M r .  R i c h a r d s o n ?

A. I  d o n ' t  k n o w ,  n o t  t o  my k n o w l e d g e .

Q. D i d  y o u  a s k ,  a s  a  b o a r d  m e m b e r ,  M r .  R i c h a r d s o n  t o  p r o v i c i

y o u  w i t h  a  d e t a i l e d  s t a t e m e n t  a b o u t  e a c h  o n e  o f  t h e  

t e a c h e r s  b e f o r e  h e  o r  s h e  w a s  d i s m i s s e d ?

A. I  d i d  n o t .

Q.  D i d  t h e  b o a r d  i n  y o u r  p r e s e n c e ?

A .  N o .

Q. D i d  t h e  b o a r d  m a k e  a  d e c i s i o n  t h a t  i t  h a d  m o r e  t h a n

e n o u g h  t e a c h e r s  b y  h a v i n g  t h e  f i v e  t e a c h e r s  f r o m  t h e  

C e n t r a l  S c h o o l ,  a n d  t h e  e i g h t e e n  o r  n i n e t e e n  f r o m  t h e  

W h e a t l e y  S c h o o l ,  a n d  t h a t  i t  h a d  t o  r e d u c e  t h e  f a c u l t y  

b y  some n u m b e r ?

A .  I  d o n ' t  r e c a l l  t h i s  b e i n g  m e n t i o n e d  t o  m e .  A t  a

m e e t i n g  i t  w a s  d e c i d e d  t h a t  w a y .

Q. W o u l d  y o u  m i n d  t e l l i n g  me how l o n g  t h e  c o n v e r s a t i o n

a b o u t  t h e s e  t e a c h e r s  t o o k  b e t w e e n  y o u  a n d  t h e  o t h e r

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board members at the official board meeting on March 1.1?

A .  I  c o u l d n ' t  s a y  e x a c t l y  how  l o n g .  T he  b o a r d  p r o b a b l y

t a l k e d  t h r e e  t o  f o u r  h o u r s  t h a t  n i g h t .  We t a l k e d  a b o u t  

a  l o t  o f  t h i n g s  t h o u g h  a n d  I  d o n ' t  k n o w  how l o n g  i t  t o o k  

o n  t h e s e  p a r t i c u l a r  t e a c h e r s .

Q. W o u l d  y o u  s a y  i t  t o o k  a s  m u c h  t i m e  a b o u t  t h e s e  t e a c h e r s

a s  i t  d i d  a b o u t  M r .  K e n n e d y ' s  a p p l i c a t i o n ?

A .  I  w o u l d  s a y  s o .

Q. W h a t  o t h e r  i t e m  t h a t  n i g h t  d i d  y o u  a l l  d i s c u s s ?

A .  I  d o n ' t  r e m e m b e r .

Q. You d i d  d i s c u s s  o t h e r  i t e m s ,  d i d n ' t  y o u ?

A. M o s t  l i k e l y ,  b u t  I  d o n ' t  k n o w .

Q. You d o n ' t  k n o w  how  l o n g  i t  t o o k ?

A .  N o .

Q. D i d  M r .  R i c h a r d s o n  a t t e m p t  i n  d e t a i l  a  c o m p a r i s o n  o f  a l l

t h e s e  t e a c h e r s  w i t h  t h e  o t h e r  t e a c h e r s  i n  t h e  s y s t e m ?

A. Y e s ,  h e  t a l k e d  a b o u t  —  h e  g a v e  u s  a n  o u t l i n e  o n  m o s t

o f  t h e  t e a c h e r s .

Q. W h a t  a b o u t  a l l  o f  t h e m ?

A. I  am s u r e  we t a l k e d  a b o u t  a l l  t h e  t e a c h e r s  i n  t h e  w h o l e

s y s t e m  b e f o r e  we h i r e d  t h e m .

Q. B u t  h e  w a s  n o t  c o m p a r i n g  t h e m  t h a t  n i g h t ,  w a s  h e ,  i n

t h i s  m a n n e r :  " W e l l ,  w e  h a v e  M r .  J a c k s o n  h e r e ,  h e  h a s  

b e e n  t e a c h i n g  t h e  f i f t h  g r a d e  a n d  h e  h a s  t h e s e  

q u a l i f i c a t i o n s ;  a n d  we h a v e  M r s .  X o v e r  h e r e ,  a n d  s h e

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h a s  b e e n  t e a c h i n g  t h e  f i f t h  g r a d e  i n  W h e a t l e y  S c h o o l  

a n d  o n  t h e  b a s i s  o f  my e v a l u a t i o n  I  f i n d  t h a t  M r .  J a c k s c  

h a s  m o r e  y e a r s  o r  l e s s  y e a r s  o f  e x p e r i e n c e  t h a n  X t e a c h e  

w ho  h a s  b e e n  t e a c h i n g  t h e  f i f t h  g r a d e . "  D i d  h e  g o  

t h r o u g h  t h a t  p r o c e s s ?

A .  N o t  t h a t  n i g h t .

Q.  When d i d  h e  g o  t h r o u g h  t h a t  p r o c e s s ?

A. I  d o n ' t  r e m e m b e r  i f  we w e n t  t h r o u g h  t h a t  p r o c e s s  o r

n o t ,  a s  I  r e c a l l  i t .

Q .  W o u ld  i t  b e  i n  y o u r  j u d g m e n t ,  a s  a  b o a r d  m e m b e r ,

f a i r  t o  g i v e  a  t e a c h e r  who h a d  c o m p l a i n t s  a b o u t  h e r  

c r e d i t  a n  o p p o r t u n i t y  t o  e x p l a i n  h e r  p o s i t i o n  a b o u t  

t h a t  c r e d i t  b e f o r e  y o u  d e c i d e d  t o  t e r m i n a t e  h e r ?

A. I  w o u l d  s a y  s o .

Q. W o u l d  y o u  s a y  t h a t  i t  w a s  f a i r  n o t  t o  g i v e  M r s .  M e e k s

a n  o p p o r t u n i t y  t o  e x p l a i n  h e r  c r e d i t  b e f o r e  y o u  

t e r m i n a t e d  h e r ?

A. S h e  h a d  b e e n  t a l k e d  t o  b y  t h e  s u p e r i n t e n d e n t .

Q.  B u t  y o u  d o n ' t  kn o w  t h a t ,  d o  y o u ?

A. No,  s i r .

Q.  W o u l d  i t  h a v e  b e e n  f a i r  t o  g i v e  h e r  a n  o p p o r t u n i t y  t o

a p p e a r  b e f o r e  t h e  b o a r d  t o  e x p l a i n  t h i s ?

A. P r o b a b l y .

Q. W o u l d  i t  h a v e  a l s o  b e e n  f a i r  t o  g i v e  M r .  J a c k s o n  a n d

t h e  o t h e r  t e a c h e r s  a n  o p p o r t u n i t y  t o  a p p e a r  b e f o r e  t h e

J O A N  F. L I N E S  
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b o a r d  a n d  e x p l a i n  t h e  c o m p l a i n t s  t h a t  h a v e  b e e n  m a de  

a g a i n s t  t h e m ,  o r  a t  l e a s t  t h e i r  s i d e ,  b e f o r e  y o u  f i r e  

t h e m ?

T h e y  d i d  m e e t  w i t h  u s .

I  m e an  b e f o r e  y o u  f i r e d  t h e m ?

(No r e s p o n s e )

W o u ld  i t  h a v e  b e e n  f a i r  t o  h a v e  d o n e  i t  t h a t  w a y ?

I  g u e s s  i t  w o u l d  h a v e .

Do y o u  k n o w ,  I  am a s k i n g  y o u  w h e t h e r  y o u  kn o w  y o u r s e l f ,  

w h e t h e r  M r .  R i c h a r d s o n  r e c e i v e d  c o m p l a i n t s  a b o u t  a n y  

o t h e r  t e a c h e r s  i n  t h e  s y s t e m ?

I  d o  n o t  k n o w .

Do y o u  k n o w  w h e t h e r  o r  n o t  a n y  o f  t h e  o t h e r  t e a c h e r s ,  

o f  y o u r  own k n o w l e d g e ,  w h e t h e r  a n y  o f  t h e  o t h e r  

t e a c h e r s  i n  t h e  s y s t e m  h a d  d i f f i c u l t i e s  w i t h  t h e i r  own 

c r e d i t ?

I  d o  n o t  k n o w .

Do y o u  k n o w  w h e t h e r  y o u  y o u r s e l f  h a v e  h a d  a t  a n y t i m e  

i n  y o u r  l i f e  d i f f i c u l t y  w i t h  c r e d i t ?

Who me ?

Y es  .

M aybe  a  l i t t l e .

I s n ' t  i t  t r u e  t h a t  m o s t  p e o p l e  a t  o n e  t i m e  o r  a n o t h e r  

i n c u r  some f i n a n c i a l  d i s t r e s s ?

P r o b a b l y .

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Q. So w h e n  a  t e a c h e r  h a s  a p r o b l e m  w i t h  c r e d i t ,  i t  i s  n o

d i f f e r e n t  t h a n  a n y  o t h e r  p e r s o n  who h a s  p r o b l e m s  w i t h  

c r e d i t ,  i s  t h a t  t r u e ?

A .  T h a t  i s  t r u e .

Q. I s  i t  a  f a i r  s t a t e m e n t  t h a t  m any  o f  t h e  p e o p l e  whom

y o u  k n o w  i n  t h e  W h e a t l e y  S c h o o l  D i s t r i c t  l i v e  a b o v e  

t h e i r  m e a n s ?

A .  I  d o n ' t  k n o w  a b o u t  t h i s .

Q.  W h a t  i s  y o u r  e d u c a t i o n ?

A .  H i g h  s c h o o l .

Q.  H i g h  s c h o o l  g r a d u a t e ?

A. R i g h t .

Q.  You h a v e  c h i l d r e n  i n  t h e  s y s t e m ?

A. Y e s ,  I  d o .

Q. How l o n g  h a v e  y o u  h a d  t h e m  i n  t h e  s y s t e m ?

A. E v e r  s i n c e  h e  h a s  b e e n  i n  s c h o o l .  I ' v e  g o t  o n e  i n

t h e  s i x t h  g r a d e .

Q. You h a d  a n  o p p o r t u n i t y  t o  e x e r c i s e  f r e e d o m  o f  c h o i c e

t o  s e n d  y o u r  c h i l d  t o  W h e a t l e y  C e n t r a l ,  o r  W h e a t l e y  

E l e m e n t a r y .  F o r  w h i c h  s c h o o l  d i d  y o u  e x e r c i s e  y o u r  

c h o i c e ?

A .  W h e a t l e y  E l e m e n t a r y .

Q. Any r e a s o n  y o u  e x e r c i s e d  a c h o i c e  f o r  W h e a t l e y

E l e m e n t a r y  a g a i n s t  W h e a t l e y  C e n t r a l ?

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Q • W ha t  w a s  t h a t  r e a s o n ?

A. A t  t h e  t i m e  my c h i l d  s t a r t e d  t o  s c h o o l  t h e r e  w a s n ' t

a n y  i n t e g r a t i o n .

Q. So t h a t  y o u  p u r s u e d  t h e  p a t t e r n  t h a t  h a s  b e e n

e s t a b l i s h e d  i n  t h e  c o m m u n i t y  o f  w h i t e  p u p i l s  g o i n g  t o  

w h i t e  s c h o o l s  a n d  b l a c k  p u p i l s  g o i n g  t o  b l a c k  s c h o o l s ?

A. R i g h t .

Q.  W o u ld  y o u  h a v e  w a n t e d  y o u r  c h i l d  t o  b e  a s s i g n e d  t o

W h e a t l e y  C e n t r a l  S c h o o l ?

A .  N o t  a t  t h a t  t i m e , ,  n o .

Q. How m any  t i m e s  s i n c e  y o u  h a v e  b e e n  o n  t h e  b o a r d  h a v e

y o u  b e e n  i n  a c l a s s r o o m  w h i l e  c l a s s  w a s  u n d e r w a y  a t  t h e  

W h e a t l e y  C e n t r a l  S c h o o l ?

A. N o n e .

Q. How m any  t i m e s  h a v e  y o u  o f f e r e d  M r .  L .  R.  J a c k s o n  a s

s u p e r v i s i n g  t e a c h e r  o f  t h a t  s c h o o l  y o u r  a s s i s t a n c e  a s  

a  b o a r d  m e m ber  t o  h e l p  i m p r o v e  t h i s  s c h o o l ' s  p r o g r a m ?

A. N o n e ,  I  d o n ' t  g u e s s .

Q. W h a t  a b o u t  t h e  o t h e r  t e a c h e r s ?

A. T h e s e  f o u r ,  y o u  m e a n ?

Q- Y es  .

A. I n d i r e c t l y .

Q. By i n d i r e c t l y  y o u  m ean  t h a t  y o u  l e t Mr . R i c h a r d s o n

k n o w ,  o r  w h o e v e r  t h e  s u p e r i n t e n d e n t w a s ,  know  t h a t  a s

a m e m b e r  o f  t h e  b o a r d  y o u  s t o o d  r e a d y  t o  d o  w h a t e v e r

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t h e  s u p e r i n t e n d e n t  t h o u g h t  w o u l d  b e  t o  t h e  b e s t  

i n t e r e s t  o f  t h e  s c h o o l  s y s t e m ?

A. T h a t  i s  c o r r e c t .

Q.  W h i c h  i s  a n o r m a l  s c h o o l  b o a r d  m e m b e r ' s  r e s p o n s i b i l i t y

w a y , i s  t h a t  r i g h t ?

A .  T h a t  i s  r i g h t .

REDIRECT EXAMINATION

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Q. M r .  N o o s l e r , do  y o u  r e c a l l  t h i s  m e e t i n g  i n  M a r c h  1 1 ,

1 9 6 8 ,  w h e n  t h e  d e t e r m i n a t i o n  w a s  m ade  t o  h i r e  

M r .  K e n n e d y  f o r  t h e  s c h o o l  y e a r  b e g i n n i n g  J u l y  1 s t ,  

1 9 6 8 ?

A. Y e s ,  s i r .

Q- Do y o u  a l s o  r e m e m b e r  o f  y o u r  own k n o w l e d g e  t h e  a c t i o n

t a k e n  o n  t h e  t e a c h e r s  t h a t  y o u  d e c i d e d  t o  r e h i r e  t h a t  

n i g h t ,  a n d  t h o s e  who t h e  b o a r d  d e c i d e d  t o  t e r m i n a t e  

t h e i r  c o n t r a c t s ?

A. Y e s ,  s i r .  I  r e m e m b e r  t h e  a c t i o n .

Q. Was t h i s  d e c i s i o n  o n  t h e  p a r t  o f  t h e  b o a r d  t o  t e r m i n a t e

t h e  c o n t r a c t s  o f  Mr.  a n d  M r s .  J a c k s o n  a n d  M r s .  M eek s  

a n d  M r .  C o l e m a n  b a s e d  o n  t h e  f a c t  t h a t  t h e y  w e r e  o f  

t h e  b l a c k  r a c e ?

A. No,  s i r .

Q. D i d  t h a t  e n t e r  i n t o  t h e  d i s c u s s i o n  o r  d e l i b e r a t i o n  a t

a l l  a t  t h a t  b o a r d  m e e t i n g ?

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A .  T h i s  d i d  n o t  h a v e  a n y t h i n g  t o  d o  w i t h  i t .

Q* S t a t e  t o  t h e  C o u r t  a g a i n ,  w h a t  w a s  the basis f o r  that

t e r m i n a t i o n ?

A. T h e  b a s i s  w a s  b e c a u s e  o f  t h e  c o m p l a i n t s ,  t h e  q u a l i t y

o f  t h e  t e a c h e r s .

Q. And w a s  t h i s  b a s e d  o n  t h e  r e c o m m e n d a t i o n  o f  t h e

s u p e r i n t e n d e n t  o f  s c h o o l s ?

A .  Y e s .

MR. BUTLER; I  b e l i e v e  t h a t  i s  a l l .

RECROSS EXAMINATION

BY MR. WALKER;

Q. B u t  I  t h o u g h t  y o u  s a i d  t h e  s u p e r i n t e n d e n t  d i d n ' t  make

a n y  w r i t t e n  r e c o m m e n d a t i o n s ?

A. N o t  a n y  w r i t t e n  r e c o m m e n d a t i o n s .

Q. W h a t  w a s  t h e  q u a l i t y  o f  i n s t r u c t i o n  y o u  s a y  w a s  s o

i n v o l v e d  i n  y o u r  d e c i s i o n  a t  t h e  W h e a t l e y  C e n t r a l  

S c h o o l ?

A .  As I  s t a t e d  b e f o r e ,  Mr.  R i c h a r d s o n  s a i d  f r o m  t i m e  t o

t i m e  t h a t  t h e s e  t e a c h e r s  w a s  n o t  d o i n g  a c a p a b l e  j o b  

a t  C e n t r a l  S c h o o l  a n d  h e  t h o u g h t  t h e y  s h o u l d  b e  r e p l a c e c  .

Q. I s  M r .  R i c h a r d s o n  t h e  o n l y  s u p e r i n t e n d e n t  who s t a t e d

t h e s e  t e a c h e r s  w e r e  n o t  d o i n g  a c a p a b l e  j o b ?

A. I  d o n ' t  kn o w  a b o u t  t h e  r e s t  o f  t h o s e  s u p e r i n t e n d e n t s .

I  w a s  n o t  o n  t h e  b o a r d .

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A. No, sir.

Q. Did Mr. Richardson ever give you the benefit of any

comparison test scores between the pupils at different 

grade levels at the two schools?

A. He did not give them to me, no.

Q. Did he ever give them to the board in your presence?

A. Not that I can remember.

Q. So that the only way you have of determining whether

or not these students ■—  or at least you had at the 

time they made the decision -- in determining whether 

or not the quality of the instructional program of 

the Central School was below that at the other 

school, was on the basis of a verbal statement made 

by the superintendent of schools to you in the school 

board meetings?

A. That's right.

Q. Did you all ask for supporting data?

A. No.

Q. Did you at the time ask for an opportunity to inquire

about this matter of the staff at the Central School?

A. No, we did not.

Q. Did you look into the pupil-teacher ratio of these two

schools ?

A. It was checked into.

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Q. What was the pupil-teacher ratio?

A. I don't remember.

Q. Did you look into the amount of per capita spending

of the two schools?

A. No, I did not.

Q. Would you know whether or not the Central School ever

received any new free classroom texts, would you know 

whether they did?

A. No, I don't.

Q. Do you know whether or not your child in the Wheatley

School ever received any new free classroom text books?

A. New ones?

Q. Yes.

A. I don't know.

Q. But you do know that some of the youngsters there at

the Wheatley School have from time to time received 

new textbooks, don't you?

A. Right.

Q. Isn't it true also that the teachers in the Wheatley

School received certain materials and supplies to work 

with provided by the school district?

A. That is right.

Q. Do you know whether they received certain materials

and supplies to work with at the Wheatley Central 

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A. I do not know.

Q. Have you ever checked into this?

A. No, I haven't.

Q. So that, isn't it really true that what you all have

historically done in the community to the best of your 

knowledge and from your knowledge as a member of the 

board, is more or less left the operation of the Negro 

school to the Negro principal and his staff — - and 

of course the superintendent would be ultimately 

responsible, but the policy was that that was their 

school and they could do what they wanted to with it?

A. We work through the superintendent.

Q. I understand. But wouldn't you say that it is a fair

statement that the attitude of the school board 

historically would be that the Negroes can run the 

school as they see fit, just as long as they do not 

really go too far?

A. I wouldn't say that, sir.

Q. Not since you have been on the board?

A. No, sir.

Q. Have you ever been to a school function at the Wheatley

Central school?

A. No, I haven't.

Q. Have you ever been to a function at the Wheatley

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A. Yes, I have.

Q. On several occasions?

A. Yes.

Q. Would you know whether the quality of the educational

problem at Wheatley Central the last year was below 

or above that of Wheatley?

A. I couldn't say definitely.

Q. You don't know one way or the other?

A. No.

Q. So you don't know what the comparison was between the

two schools in terms of the kind of education that 

was being offered?

A. In terms of tests I do not know.

Q. In terms of the quality of the education being offered?

A. Being offered?

Q. Yes. You do not know?

A. No.

Q. You do know that you have segregated classes at the

Wheatley School this year?

A . I do.

Q. You also know that the district has historically

utilized Negro teachers in the Wheatley School to teach 

only black students with the exception of one or two 

white students, is that true?

A. That is true.

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EXAMINATION BY THE COURT 

D i d  y o u  u s e  t h e  s a m e  t e x t  b o o k s  i n  b o t h  o f  t h e  

e l e m e n t a r y  s c h o o l s ?

A s  f a r  a s  I  k n o w ;  we a r e  s u p p o s e d  t o ,  y e s ,  s i r .

F r o m  t h a t  s t a n d p o i n t  t h e r e  w a s  n o  d i f f e r e n c e  i n  t h e  

e d u c a t i o n a l  t r a i n i n g  o f  s t u d e n t s  o f  e i t h e r  s c h o o l  d u r i n g  

t h a t  t i m e ,  u s i n g  t h e  s a m e  t e x t  b o o k s  n o w  i n  t h e  W h e a t l e y  

S c h o o l  a f t e r  t h e  o t h e r  s c h o o l  i s  c l o s e d ?

Y e s ,  s i r .

How l o n g  d i d  M r .  R i c h a r d s o n  w o r k  w i t h  y o u r  s c h o o l  a s  

t h e  s u p e r i n t e n d e n t ?

He w a s  w i t h  o u r  s c h o o l  o n e  y e a r .

O n l y  o n e  y e a r ?

O n l y  o n e  y e a r .  He r e s i g n e d  t o  f u r t h e r  h i s  e d u c a t i o n .

Who w a s  a h e a d  o f  h i m ?

I  b e l i e v e  M r .  F l o w e r s .

How l o n g  w a s  M r .  F l o w e r s  w i t h  y o u ?

I  am n o t  s u r e ,  n o t  b e i n g  o n  t h e  b o a r d  t h e n ,  b u t  I  

b e l i e v e  i t  w a s  t h r e e  y e a r s .

How l o n g  h a v e  y o u  b e e n  o n  t h e  b o a r d ?

S i n c e  S e p t e m b e r  o f  ' 6 7 .

Do y o u  k n o w  i f  M r .  F l o w e r s  e v e r  r a i s e d  a n y  q u e s t i o n s  

a b o u t  t h e  t e a c h i n g  a b i l i t y  o f  t h e s e  f o u r  t e a c h e r s

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i n v o l v e d ?

A .  I  d o n ' t  k n o w ,  s i r .

Q.  Do y o u  k n o w  w h e t h e r  o r  n o t  t h e  b o a r d  r e h i r e d  t h e m  e a c h

y e a r  o n  M r .  F l o w e r ' s  r e c o m m e n d a t i o n s ?

A .  N o ,  I  d o n ' t  k n o w ,  s i r .

Q.  T h e y  w e r e  r e h i r e d  d u r i n g  t h e s e  y e a r s ?

A .  Y e s ,  s i r .

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s t a n d  a s i d e .

WHEREUPON,

SIDNEY M. KENNEDY, o n e  o f  t h e  d e f e n d a n t s ,  w a s  r e c a l l e d  

t o  t e s t i f y  o n  b e h a l f  o f  t h e  d e f e n d a n t s ,  a s  f o l l o w s :  

DIRECT EXAMINATION

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Q. Y o u r  na m e  i s  S .  M. K e n n e d y ?

A .  Y e s ,  s i r .

Q.  W h a t  i s  y o u r  a g e ,  M r .  K e n n e d y ?

A .  T h i r t y - n i n e  y e a r s  o l d .

Q. W h e r e  d o  y o u  r e s i d e  a t  t h e  p r e s e n t  t i m e ?

A .  W h e a t l e y ,  A r k a n s a s .

Q. W h a t  i s  y o u r  b u s i n e s s  o r  p r o f e s s i o n ?

A. I  am a  s c h o o l  a d m i n i s t r a t o r .

Q. W h a t  i s  y o u r  p r e s e n t  p o s i t i o n ?

A. I  am s u p e r i n t e n d e n t  o f  t h e  W h e a t l e y  S c h o o l s .

Q. When d i d  y o u  b e c o m e  s u p e r i n t e n d e n t  o f  t h e  W h e a t l e y

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School District?

A. On J u l y  1 ,  1 9 6 8 .

Q. Prior to that time what experience did you have in

teaching?

A. I had taught three years and served in school

administration for eleven years.

Q. What schools in the state?

A. Moro, Arkansas; at McCrory, Arkansas; at Tuckerman,

Arkansas; and at Gosnell, Arkansas; and in north Cross 

County; and in Palestine, Arkansas.

Q. In all in the administration and teaching you have

been in the school business how long?

A. Fifteen years.

Q. How long were you at Moro, Arkansas, and in what

capacity there?

A. Three years. I served first as teacher, as principal

and then superintendent.

Q. What year was that?

A. ' 5 4  t o  ' 5 7 .

Q. Since being at Moro what has been your position in

the schools in which you have served?

A. I was principal at McCrory for two years, I was

principal at Tuckerman for three years; at Gosnell 

for four years; and at Cross County two; Palestine one.

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a s  a  w i t n e s s  f o r  t h e  p l a i n t i f f s  t h a t  y o u  h a v e  y o u r

M.A. d e g r e e ?

A. I  d o .

Q. F r o m  t h e  M e m p h i s  S t a t e U n i v e r s i t y  i n M e m p h i s ,  T e n n e s s e e ?

A. T h a t  i s  c o r r e c t .

Q- H a v e  y o u  d o n e  a n y  w o r k o n  y o u r  d o c t o r ' s ?

A. T w e n t y - f o u r  h o u r s .

Q. N o r m a l l y  how  m any  h o u r s a r e  r e q u i r e d f o r  a  d o c t o r a t e ?

A. S i x t y .

Q- M r .  K e n n e d y ,  t h e r e  h a s b e e n  p l a c e d  i n t h e  r e c o r d  t h e

m i n u t e s  o f  m e e t i n g s  h e l d  b y  t h e  W h e a t l e y  S c h o o l  D i s t r i c t  

i n  M a r c h  a n d  A p r i l  o f  1 9 6 8 .  T h e r e  w a s  a m e e t i n g  o n  

M a r c h  1 1 ,  1 9 6 8 ,  a n d  t h e  m i n u t e s  i n d i c a t e  t h a t  y o u  w e r e  

p r e s e n t  a n d  m e t  w i t h  t h e  b o a r d ,  a n d  o n  t h a t  n i g h t  w e r e  

h i r e d  t o  b e  t h e  s u p e r i n t e n d n e n t  o f  a  s c h o o l  b e g i n n i n g  

J u l y  1 ,  1 9 6 8 ,  i s  t h a t  c o r r e c t ?

A .  T h a t  i s  c o r r e c t .

Q.  D i d  y o u  o n  t h a t  e v e n i n g  p a r t i c i p a t e  i n  a n y  o f  t h e  o t h e r

a c t i v i t i e s  o f  t h e  b o a r d  w i t h  r e g a r d  t o  h i r i n g  o r  

d e t e r m i n i n g  t o  t e r m i n a t e  t h e  c o n t r a c t s  o f  t e a c h e r s ?

A .  I  d i d  n o t ;  a n d  may 1 s t a t e  a s  n e a r  a s  p o s s i b l e  w h a t

h a p p e n e d .  I  m e t  w i t h  t h e  b o a r d  a n d  o f f e r e d  my 

q u a l i f i c a t i o n s  a n d  l e f t  a  l e t t e r  i n d i c a t i n g  my d e s i r e  

t o  b e c o m e  e l e c t e d  i f  t h e y  s a w  f i t .  I  l e f t  t h e n  a n d  

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happening after my leaving the meeting I did not have 

any knowledge of it.

Now at this same board meeting the minutes indicate 

- as exhibited in the record here - that the board 

accepted the resignation of Mr. Richardson effective 

July 1 ,  1 9 6 8 .  Did Mr. Richardson stay on as superin­

tendent of the Wheatley School until July 1 ,  1 9 6 8 ?

Yes, sir.

Was it at that time you officially took over and 

assumed your duties?

About that time.

Did y o u  h a v e  a n y t h i n g  t o  do w i t h  t h e  h i r i n g  o r  t h e  

t e r m i n a t i o n  o f  a n y  t e a c h e r s '  c o n t r a c t s  p e r s o n a l l y  

p r i o r  t o  J u l y  1 ,  1 9 6 8 ?

No, sir, I did not.

You were asked yesterday when you were called as a 

witness for the plaintiff as to whether or not your 

wife worked or teaches in the school system. Who 

employed her, and when was she employed?

She was employed by a contract which Mr. Richardson 

prepared and mailed us along with my contract, and 

we signed it and returned three copies and kept one. 

This was prior to —  oh, I would say it was in April 

or May, sometime in there.

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a t  t h i s  t i m e ,  who h a d  c h a r g e  o f  t h e  r e c o r d  b o o k s ,  t h e  

m i n u t e s ,  a n d  f i l e s  w i t h  r e g a r d  t o  t h e  a c t i v i t i e s  o f  

t h e  s c h o o l ?

A. A s  s u p e r i n t e n d e n t  o f  t h e  s c h o o l  we h a v e  a n  e x - o f f i c i o

f i n a n c i a l  s e c r e t a r y  w h o s e  o b l i g a t i o n  i t  i s  t o  s a f e ­

g u a r d  a n d  t a k e  c a r e  o f  t h e s e  f i l e s .

Q.  Who i s  t h a t ?

A .  T h a t  i s  t h e  e x - o f f i c i o ,  t h a t  i s  t h e  s u p e r i n t e n d e n t ,

w h i c h  i s  my r e s p o n s i b i l i t y .

Q. You a r e  a n  e x - o f f i c i o  o n  t h e  b o a r d ,  s o  t o  s p e a k ?

A. Y e s ,  s i r .

Q. And y o u l o o k  a f t e r  t h e  r e c o r d s  a n d  t a k e  c a r e  o f  t h e  f i l e

A. Y e s ,  s i r .

Q.  Y e s t e r d a y  t h e r e  w a s  e x h i b i t e d  i n  t h e  r e c o r d  h e r e

t e r m i n a t i o n  l e t t e r s  s i g n e d  b y  M r .  W h e e l e r ,  p r e s i d e n t  

o f  t h e  b o a r d ,  a n d  M r .  J o n e s  a s  s e c r e t a r y  o f  t h e  b o a r d ,  

d a t e d  May 2 8 ,  1 9 6 8 ,  w h i c h  l e t t e r s  w e r e  m a i l e d  t o  

M r .  a n d  M r s .  J a c k s o n ,  M r s .  M e e k s  a n d  M r .  C o l e m a n ,  

a d v i s i n g  t h e m  t h a t  t h e i r  c o n t r a c t s  w o u l d  n o t  b e  r e n e w e d  

f o r  t h e  y e a r  1 9 6 8 - 6 9 .  W e re  t h o s e  l e t t e r s  m a i l e d  

a c c o r d i n g  t o  t h e  r e c o r d s  i n  y o u r  o f f i c e  o n  May 2 8 , 1 9 6 8 ?  

A .  T h e r e  a r e  r e g i s t e r e d  r e c e i p t s  i n  o u r  s c h o o l  f i l e s .

M r .  B u t l e r ,  I  do  n o t  h a v e  t h e m  h e r e  t o d a y ,  b u t  I  h a v e  

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A. They are in the files at school, yes, sir.

Q. And they were received by these parties shortly after

the date of mailing?

A. I am sure they were.

Q. A c c o r d i n g  t o  t h e  o f f i c i a l  r e c o r d s ,  w h e n  d i d  t h e  s c h o o l

y e a r  1 9 6 7 - 6 8  e n d ?

A. May 2 3 r d ,  s i r .

Q .  May 2 3 r d ?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. And t h e s e  t e r m i n a t i o n  l e t t e r s  w e r e  m a i l e d  on  May 2 8 t h ,

i s  t h a t  c o r r e c t ?

A. I  d o n ' t  r e m e m b e r  t h e  e x a c t  d a t e ,  b u t  I  b e l i e v e  t h a t

i s  w h a t  t h o s e  l e t t e r s  s t a t e d ,  I  h a v e  n e v e r  s e e n  i t ,  

b u t  I  t h i n k  i t  i s  t h e  2 8 t h .

Q. I  m e a n  y o u r  r e c o r d s  o n  t h e  r e t u r n  r e c e i p t s ,  d o  t h e y

s h o w  t h e y  w e r e  m a i l e d  o n  t h e  2 8 t h ?

A. Y e s ,  s i r ,  I  b e l i e v e  t h a t  i s  t h e  d a t e  o f  t h e  r e c e i p t s .

Q.  Now, as the keeper of the records, were you requested

by Mr. Walker, attorney for the plaintiffs, to search 

the records to find any letters or memorandum on 

complaints that might be in the records of the previous 

years in regard to complaints made against, or about, 

Mr. Jackson, Mrs. Jackson and Mrs. Meeks?

A. I was not. I have a list o f  the items sent me by you

for Mr. Walker's request. I do not see it o n  these

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items.

It is not on that list?

No.

Now, in your files, have you found any, or have you 

received while you have been superintendent, any 

letters pertaining to either of these parties in 

regard to their indebtedness or delinquent accounts 

they owe people?

Yes, sir, I have one or two letters that I saved.

Many of them I returned to the creditors saying that 

person is no longer in my employment, with a statement 

like that.

How many letters have you had with regard to them 

since you have been superintendent about old accounts 

of theirs?

Mr. Butler, there are several of them and I couldn't 

number the letters or the phone calls. I would say 

they would run probably eight or nine phone calls, as 

many as ten or a dozen letters.

Since you have been superintendent?

Yes.

Who did they have particular reference to?

Mrs. Meeks and Mrs. Jackson is the only two that I 

can remember at this time.

I hand you a letter here from the Lane Bryant, incor-

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MR. WALKER: O b j e c t i o n ,  Y o u r  H o n o r .

(MR. BUTLER, c o n t i n u i n g ) : —  a d d r e s s e d  t o  t h e

p e r s o n n e l  m a n a g e r  o f  W h e a t l e y  S c h o o l  D i s t r i c t  N o .  2 8 ,  

a n d  a s k  y o u  i f  y o u  f o u n d  t h i s  i n  y o u r  f i l e s ?

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l i k e  t o  s e e  t h a t  f i r s t .

I  d i d  f i n d  t h a t  l e t t e r  i n  my f i l e s ,  i t  w a s  i n  M r s .  Meeks  

f o l d e r .

MR. WALKER: T h i s  l e t t e r  a p p e a r s  t o  b e  a  c o p y

a n d  i s  n o t  —  i t  i s  d a t e d  O c t o b e r  1 9 ,  1 9 6 7 ,  a n d  u n l e s s  

M r .  K e n n e d y  c a n  e s t a b l i s h  t h a t  h e  r e c e i v e d  t h i s  l e t t e r ,  

I  w o u l d  l i k e  t o  o b j e c t  t o  i t .  T h e  f a c t  t h a t  i t  i s  

i n  t h e  f i l e s  i s  c e r t a i n l y  n o t  s u f f i c i e n t  p r o o f  t o  

e s t a b l i s h  t h a t  (1 )  i t  c a m e  f r o m  L a n e  B r y a n t ,  (2)  t h a t  

t h e r e  w a s  a n y  i n d e b t e d n e s s ,  o r  (3)  t h a t  M r .  K e n n e d y  

o f  h i s  own k n o w l e d g e  k n o w s  a n y t h i n g  a b o u t  a n y  

i n d e b t e d n e s s  i f  a n y  i n d e b t e d n e s s  d o e s  i n  f a c t  e x i s t .

THE COURT: I s  t h a t  a  c o p y  o f  a  l e t t e r ?

MR. BUTLER: I t  i s  a  f o r m  l e t t e r  t h a t  t h e

c r e d i t  m a n a g e r  s e n d s  o u t ,  a n d  i t  h a s  a p p a r e n t l y  t h e  

o r i g i n a l  s i g n a t u r e  o f  t h e  c r e d i t  m a n a g e r  o f  t h e  c o m p a n y  

o n  i t .  I t  i s  n o t  a  c o p y .

MR. WALKER: I t  h a s  a  nam e  p u r p o r t e d l y  s i g n e d

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THE COURT: Do y o u  k n o w  a n y t h i n g  a b o u t  t h i s

l e t t e r  o t h e r  t h a n  i t  i s  i n  t h e  r e c o r d ?

A .  A l l  I  k n o w  i s  t h a t  I  f o u n d  i t  i n  M r s .  M e e k s '  f o l d e r

i n  h e r  r e c o r d s .

THE COURT: Who i s  i t  a d d r e s s e d  t o ?

A. P e r s o n n e l  D i r e c t o r  o f  t h e  W h e a t l e y  S c h o o l .

THE COURT: D o e s  i t  h a v e  a  d a t e  o n  i t ?

A. Y e s ,  s i r .

THE COURT: I  am g o i n g  t o  l e t  i t  g o  i n  t h e

r e c o r d s  o v e r  y o u r  o b j e c t i o n s ,  M r .  W a l k e r .  i f  i t  h a s  

a n y  v a l u e  i n  r e l a t i o n  t o  t h i s  h e a r i n g  t h a t  w o u l d  b e  

v a l i d  a n d  s h o u l d  b e  c o n s i d e r e d  u n d e r  t h e  r u l e s  a n d  

w i l l ,  a n d  o t h e r w i s e  i t  w o n ’ t .

A .  S i r ,  d i d  y o u  w a n t  t h e  d a t e ,  O c t o b e r  1 9 ,  1 9 6 7 ?

THE COURT: T h e  l e t t e r  s p e a k s  f o r  i t s e l f .

Q. (MR. BUTLER, c o n t i n u i n g ) : M r .  K e n n e d y ,  w o u l d  y o u

m a k e  t h i s  l e t t e r  a  p a r t  o f  a n  e x h i b i t  t o  y o u r  t e s t i m o n y ;

A. Y e s ,  s i r ,  I  w i l l ,  I  d i d  f i n d  t h e  l e t t e r .

MR. BUTLER: May I  o f f e r  i t ,  Y o u r  H o n o r ?

THE COURT: L e t  i t  b e  i d e n t i f i e d ,  m a r k e d  a n d

r e c e i v e d  f o r  t h e  r e c o r d .

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Q. (MR. BUTLER, continuing): Now, Mr. Kennedy, will you

read this letter with reference made to whom it is 

addressed, to whom it refers?

A. This says, "Personnel Manager, Wheatley School

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M e e k s ,  P o s t  O f f i c e  B o x  5 2 ,  B r i n k l e y ,  A r k a n s a s .  A c c o u n t  

N o .  1 9 5 2 5 6 .

"Dear Sir: Upon opening account with us the

above customer gave your name as the employer. The 

account has been delinquent, and since the amount is 

rather large we are concerned. The status of this 

employee will determine our future action. If there 

is a reasonable excuse for the continued neglect of 

this account, naturally we shall be as lenient as 

possible.

"We have had no replys to our numerous letters, 

which leaves us no alternative other than to contact 

you and the reference submitted. if it is not against 

your policy in such matters, we shall appreciate your 

comments as to their ability to pay. Your reply 

will be kept in strictest confidence unless you see 

fit to mention this to the employee yourself.

"Thank you for your kindest attention. Enclosed 

is a special addressed envelope for your convenience.

"Yours very truly,
Hal Harmon, Credit Manager 

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Q. Mr. Kennedy, in your school as it is now there,

completely consolidated all into one schooL building, 

how many classes do you have?

A. Including high school and elementary there is a total

of about sicty classes.

Q. Now, of this number of classes in your school, how

many of them are integrated at this time?

A. All but two are integrated to some extent. We have

one with only one student at this time, they had two, 

but one moved away - but all classes other —

Q. Beginning this school year one class had two in it?

A. Two white children and the rest of them were Negro.

One of the parents moved from the district and we 

only have one in that class.

Q. And you only have two that are not integrated?

A. That are not integrated.

Q. And what classes are those?

A. Fourth and fifth grade combinations of Mrs. Anneice

Cannon, and there will be a third grade class of 

Mrs. Lou Anna Spears.

Q. Did you as superintendent, or the school board as such,

cause these two classes not to be integrated?

A. No, this type of question has come up many times,

Mr. Butler, but it is almost funny to me. it is rather 

ridiculous that there is no reason why it happened

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t h i s  w a y .  As l o n g  a s  I  h a v e  w o r k e d  w i t h  s c h o o l s  I  

d o n ' t  e v e n  b e l i e v e  i n  h o m o g e n e o u s  g r o u p i n g  o f  s t u d e n t s  

f o r  a n y  r e a s o n  o t h e r  t h a n  g r a d e  l e v e l .

Q* D i d  t h e s e  c l a s s e s ,  a l l  b l a c k s ,  d e v e l o p  b y  a s s i g n m e n t

b y  y o u  o r  t h e  p r i n c i p a l  o f  t h e  s c h o o l ?

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g o  t o  M r s .  C a n n o n ' s  r o o m ,  a n d  t h e  c h i l d r e n  g o t  u p  a n d  

l e f t .  T oo  m any  o f  t h e m  l e f t ,  a n d  i n  o n e  c a s e  I  h a d  

t o  a s k  s o m e  o f  t h e m  t o  c o m e  b a c k .  M r s .  C a n n o n  s a i d ,

" I  h a v e  m o r e  t h a n  I  c a n  u s e ,  M r .  K e n n e d y .  C a n  we 

b a l a n c e  t h e  c l a s s e s , "  a n d  I  s a i d ,  "We c e r t a i n l y  c a n . ”

I  a s k e d  h o w  m any  s t u d e n t s  w o u l d  l i k e  t o  g o  b a c k  a n d  some 

o f  t h e m  g o t  u p .

Q. Now t h e  o t h e r  f i f t y - s e v e n  c l a s s e s  t h a t  y o u  h a v e  i n

y o u r  s c h o o l  s y s t e m  t h e r e ,  w h a t  i s  t h e  r a t i o ?

A .  O f  N e g r o  a n d  t h e  w h i t e ?

Q. Y e s ,  s i r ,  i n  c l a s s e s  o f  s t u d e n t s .

A .  I t  i s  h a r d  t o  t e l l  t h e  e x a c t  r a t i o  o f  e v e r y  c l a s s .  I

w o u l d  s a y  we d o  n o t  h a v e  a  c l a s s  i n  o u r  e n t i r e  s c h o o l  

s y s t e m  t h a t  i s  n o t  m o r e  t h a n  f i f t y - p e r c e n t  N e g r o .

Q. O t h e r  t h a n  t h e  t w o  o r  t h e  t h r e e  t h a t  y o u  m e n t i o n e d

a w h i l e  a g o ?

A. T h e y  a r e  m o r e  t h a n  f i f t y - p e r c e n t  N e g r o .  We d o  n o t  h a v e

a  c l a s s  i n  o u r  e n t i r e  s c h o o l  s y s t e m  t h a t  i s  n o t  m o r e  

t h a n  f i f t y - p e r c e n t  N e g r o .

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t h r e e ,  a r e  t h e y  i n t e g r a t e d  w i t h  b l a c k  a n d  w h i t e  s t u d e n t s ?  

T h a t  i s  w h a t  I  s a y ,  y e s ,  s i r .

They all are?

Yes, sir.

Now, according to your records about teachers who were 

hired and fired of requests that were made by Mr. Walker

-  I  b e l i e v e  t h a t  w a s  o n e  o f  t h e  r e q u e s t s  t h a t  h e  m a d e

-  d i d  we f u r n i s h  t h a t  i n f o r m a t i o n ?

Yes, sir.

I  w o u l d  l i k e  t o  k n o w  o u t  o f  t h e  ' 6 7 - 6 8  s c h o o l  y e a r ,  

w e r e  M r .  a n d  M r s .  J a c k s o n ,  M r s .  M e e k s  a n d  M r , C o l e m a n ,  

t h e  o n l y  t e a c h e r s  w ho  w e r e  g i v e n  n o t i c e  o f  t h e  

t e r m i n a t i o n  o f  t h e i r  c o n t r a c t s  o n  l a c k  o f  q u a l i f i c a ­

t i o n s ?

A c c o r d i n g  t o  t h e s e  r e c o r d s  I  h a v e  a s k e d  t h e  s e c r e t a r y  

t o  g o  t h r o u g h  a n d  m a ke  a l i s t  o f  t h o s e  t e a c h e r s  who 

w e r e  h i r e d  i n  t h e  ' 6 7 - 6 8  s c h o o l  y e a r ,  a n d  h o w  t h e i r
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c o n t r a c t s  w e r e  t e r m i n a t e d .

A l l  r i g h t .  I  w o u l d  l i k e  t o  k n o w  how  m a n y  e i t h e r  

r e s i g n e d  o r  w e r e  r e l e a s e d .  F i r s t ,  I  w o u l d  l i k e  t o  

k n o w  how  m any  w e r e  g i v e n  n o t i c e  t h a t  t h e i r  c o n t r a c t s  

w o u l d  b e  t e r m i n a t e d  f o r  t h e  s u c c e e d i n g  y e a r  b e c a u s e  

t h e y  w e r e  n o t  q u a l i f i e d  o r  t h e r e  w a s  som e g o o d  r e a s o n  

t o  d i s m i s s  t h e m ?

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N i n e ,  s i r .

N i n e ,  a n d  w o u l d  y o u  n a m e  t h e m ?

M r .  J a m e s  C o o p e r  w a s  r e l e a s e d ,  M r .  J a m e s  H a l e y  w a s  

r e l e a s e d .

MR. WALKER: J u s t  a  m o m e n t .  M r .  J a m e s  H a l e y

h a s  n o t  b e e n  e s t a b l i s h e d  a s  b e i n g  a f u l l - t i m e  t e a c h e r  

o n  t h e  p a y r o l l  o f  t h e  d i s t r i c t .

THE COURT: You may p r o c e e d ,  i t  i s  a  p r o p e r

q u e s t i o n .

May I  s t a t e  t h a t  we h a v e  o n c e  i n  o u r  f i l e  a n d  o n  o u r  

b o o k  t h a t  M r .  H a l e y  d i d  r e c e i v e  p a y  a s  a  t e a c h e r  a n d  

w a s  p a i d  f o r  h i s  s e r v i c e s  w h i l e  w o r k i n g  i n  t h e  W h e a t l e y  

S c h o o l .

(MR. BUTLER, c o n t i n u i n g ) : Go a h e a d  w i t h  y o u r  l i s t .

M r .  B i l l y  H a r r i s  w a s  r e l e a s e d .  M r .  M a r v i n  C o l e m a n ,

M r .  L .  R.  J a c k s o n ,  w e r e  r e l e a s e d .  M r s .  M i t t i e  J a c k s o n  

w a s  r e l e a s e d .  M r s .  M a l i s s a  M e e k s  w a s  r e l e a s e d .

M r .  D e n n i s  R u s s e l l ,  r e l e a s e d .  M r s .  J o a n  L o n g ,  r e l e a s e e .  

Now t h o s e  y o u  s a y  w e r e  r e l e a s e d ,  w e r e  t h e y  a l l  g i v e n ,  

a c c o r d i n g  t o  y o u r  r e c o r d s ,  n o t i c e  t h a t  t h e i r  c o n t r a c t s  

w o u l d  n o t  b e  r e n e w e d  f o r  t h e  n e x t  y e a r ?

Y e s ,  s i r .

O f  t h e s e  n i n e  t e a c h e r s  how  m any  o f  t h e m  a r e  b l a c k  a n d  

h o w  many  o f  t h e m  a r e  w h i t e ?

I  a s s u m e  t h a t  t h e r e  w e r e  f o u r  N e g r o  t e a c h e r s  a n d  f i v e

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w h i t e  t e a c h e r s .  I  d i d  n o t  k n o w  a l l  o f  t h e s e  p e o p l e  

p e r s o n a l l y ,  b u t  I  b e l i e v e  t h i s  i s  c o r r e c t .  W a i t  a 

m i n u t e ,  n o ,  M r .  H a l e y ,  t h a t  w o u l d  b e  f i v e  N e g r o  a n d  

f o u r  w h i t e  t e a c h e r s ,  i f  I  c a n  c o u n t  t h e m .

Q. W h a t  a b o u t  M r s .  M a ry  E l l e n  G e h r i n g ?

A. M r s .  G e h r i n g  r e s i g n e d .

Q. U n d e r  w h a t  c i r c u m s t a n c e s ?

A. M r s .  G e h r i n g  w a s  n o t  q u a l i f i e d .  i t  w a s  e i t h e r  r e s i g n

o r  b e  r e l e a s e d  a s  I  u n d e r s t a n d  i t .  S h e  t a l k e d  t o  me 

a b o u t  t h i s  b y  p h o n e ,  w h i c h  I  h a v e  a l e t t e r  i n  t h e  f i l e  

t h e r e  s t a t i n g  t h a t  s h e  w o u l d  g o  t o  s c h o o l  a n d  t r y  

t o  g e t  h e r  w o r k  a n d  b e  a b l e  t o  t e a c h e r  l a t e r  o n ,  a n d  

s h e  h o p e d  t h a t  we w o u l d  a c c e p t  h e r .

Q.  I n  o t h e r  w o r d s ,  s h e  t a l k e d  t o  y o u  a b o u t  t h i s  b u t  t h e

p r e v i o u s  y e a r  s h e  r e s i g n e d  b e f o r e  y o u  c a m e  i n t o  t h e  

s c h o o l  s y s t e m ?

A. Y e s .  S h e  c a l l e d  me a n d  t a l k e d  w i t h  me a b o u t  i t .  S h e

s a i d  s h e  f e l t  l i k e  t h e  b o a r d  w o u l d  r e l e a s e  h e r  w h e r e  

s h e  c o u l d  r e s i g n  a n d  g o  t o  s c h o o l .  I  d i d n ' t  m ake  a n y  

c o m m i t m e n t ,  b u t  i n  t h e  f i l e s  I  l a t e r  f o u n d  a  l e t t e r  

t o  t h e  b o a r d  b y  M r s .  G e h r i n g  t h a t  I  h a v e  t o d a y  i n  h e r  

own h a n d w r i t i n g ,  I  a s s u m e ,  s t a t i n g  t h a t  s h e  w a s  r e s i g n ­

i n g  t o  g o  t o  s c h o o l  a n d  s h e  w o u l d  l i k e  t o  b e  c o n s i d e r e d  

a t  a  l a t e r  d a t e .

Q. Was i t  b e c a u s e  s h e  w a s  n o t  q u a l i f i e d ?

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U n i t e d  S t a t e s  C o u r t  R e p o r t e r  

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A. She was not qualified.

Q. Would she have been notified of the termination of her

contract if she hadn't resigned?

MR. WALKER: Objection, Your Honor, he was not

superintendent at the time.

A. Shall I answer the question?

THE COURT: No, not unless you know.

Q. (MR. BUTLER, continuing): Not unless you know?

A. I do not know.

Q. Mr. Kennedy, do you have in your files, or have you

found in the files of which you are custodian, records 

of reading and achievement tests that were given to 

the students in the classes taught by Mr. Coleman,

Mr. Jackson, Mrs. Jackson and Mrs. Meeks?

A. Yes, sir, I believe I do.

Q. Do you?

A. I am sure I do, but I would like to look at the files.

Name the four teachers again, please.

Q. Mr. Jackson, Mrs. Jackson, Mr.Coleman and Mrs. Meeks?

A. Yes, sir, they all are here.

Q. What I have handed you is a copy; do you have the

original of these in your files and records?

A. I do.

Q. Are they here with you today?

A. Yes, sir, there is a copy of them here today.

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You m e a n  t h e  o r i g i n a l s  i n  y o u r  f i l e s ?

T h e  o r i g i n a l s  a r e  h e r e .

MR. WALKER: May we h a v e  h i m  t e s t i f y  f r o m  t h e

o r i g i n a l s  i f  h e  i s  g o i n g  t o  t e s t i f y  a b o u t  i t  a t  a l l ?

T h e y  a r e  i n  t h e  t o p  f o l d e r  t h e r e .

MR. WALKER: May I  o b s e r v e  t h a t ?  Y o u r  H o n o r ,

b e f o r e  M r .  K e n n e d y  b e g i n s  t e s t i f y i n g ,  u n l e s s  M r .  K e n n e d y  

s h o w s  t o  h a v e  a d m i n i s t e r e d  t h e s e  t e s t s ,  t h e  o n l y  f a c t  

a b o u t  w h i c h  h e  c a n  t e s t i f y  i s  w h a t  t h e  t e s t  r e s u l t s  

a r e .  He c a n n o t  t e s t i f y  a b o u t  t h e  m a n n e r  i n  w h i c h  t h e y  

w e r e  a d m i n i s t e r e d ,  o r  w h a t  i t  p u r p o r t e d  a t  t h e  t i m e  

g i v e n ,  o t h e r  t h a n  a s  t h a t  t e s t  i s  e x p l a i n e d  b y  w h a t e v e r  

e x p l a n a t i o n  i s  p r o v i d e d  b y  t h e  c o p y .  I n  o t h e r  w o r d s ,

I  am t r y i n g  t o  e s t a b l i s h  t h a t  M r .  K e n n e d y  o n l y  h a s  

t h e s e  t e s t s  i n  h i s  p o s s e s s i o n  a s  c u s t o d i a n  o f  t h e m  a n d  

t h e  t e s t s  m o r e  o r  l e s s  s p e a k  f o r  t h e m s e l v e s .

THE COURT: He c a n  t e s t i f y  t o  t h e  r e c o r d .

MR. BUTLER: Y o u r  H o n o r ,  M r .  W h e e l e r ,  o n  t h e

p l a i n t i f f s  t e s t i m o n y  y e s t e r d a y  a s  p r e s i d e n t  o f  t h e  

s c h o o l  b o a r d ,  w a s  a s k e d  a b o u t  t h e s e  p a r t i c u l a r  t e s t s  

b y  Mr.  W a l k e r .

THE COURT: T h a t  i s  t r u e .

(MR. BUTLER, c o n t i n u i n g ) : M r .  K e n n e d y ?

Y e s ,  s i r .

i n  S e p t e m b e r ,  a c c o r d i n g  t o  y o u r  r e c o r d s ,  w e r e  t h e

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C a l i f o r n i a  A c h i e v e m e n t  T e s t s  S e p t e m b e r  2 0 ,  1 9 6 7 ?

A .  I t  s o  s t a t e s  o n  t h i s  r e c o r d ,  s i r .

Q.  On t h a t  r e c o r d ?

A. Y e s ,  s i r .

Q. And i n  w h a t  c l a s s  o r  c l a s s e s ?

A .  T h i s  s a y s  t h e  W h e a t l e y  C e n t r a l  S c h o o l ,  W h e a t l e y ,

A r k a n s a s .  L .  R .  J a c k s o n  F i f t h  G r a d e ,  9 - 2 0 - 6 7 .  T h e  

f o r m  u s e d  w a s  "W".

Q. How m any  s t u d e n t s  w e r e  g i v e n  t h a t  t e s t ,  a c c o r d i n g  t o

t h e  r e c o r d ?

A. F o u r t e e n ,  s i r .

Q. W h a t  w a s  t h e  r e s u l t  o f  t h a t  t e s t ?

A. T h e  t o t a l  r e s u l t  o f  t h e  t e s t  i n  t h e  b a t t e r y  f o r  t h e

e n t i r e  t e s t ,  s h o w e d  t h a t  t h e  s t u d e n t s  r a t e d  a n  a v e r a g e  

o f  t h e  s e c o n d  g r a d e  i n  t h e  f o u r t h  m o n t h .

Q. T h e s e  w e r e  f i f t h - g r a d e  s t u d e n t s ?

A. Y e s ,  s i r .

Q. Do y o u  h a v e  i n  y o u r  f i l e s  a  L e e  C l a r k  R e a d i n g  T e s t

r e c o r d  w h i c h  w a s  m a d e  o n  A p r i l  1 1 ,  1 9 6 8 ,  c l a s s ,  

s e c o n d  g r a d e ,  t a u g h t  b y  M r s .  M e e k s ?

A. Y e s ,  s i r ,  I  d o .

Q. How m any  c h i l d r e n  t o o k  t h a t  t e s t  i n  t h a t  c l a s s ?

A .  S i x t e e n .

Q. W h a t  w a s  t h e  r e s u l t  o f  t h e  t e s t s  a c c o r d i n g  t o  t h e  r e c o r d

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i n  y o u r  f i l e ?

A. I t  s h o w e d  t h a t  t h e s e  s t u d e n t s  s c o r e d ,  i f  I  am i n t e r ­

p r e t i n g  r i g h t ,  2 . 9 .  S e c o n d  g r a d e  t e s t  t h e  l a t e r  p a r t  

o f  t h e  y e a r ,  2 . 9 .

Q. W h a t  d o e s  t h a t  i n d i c a t e ?

A. I n d i c a t e s  t h a t  t h e  s t u d e n t s  s c o r e d  a  2 . 9 .

Q. Now, do  y o u  h a v e  i n  y o u r  f i l e  t h e  N e l s o n  R e a d i n g  T e s t ?

A .  Y e s ,  s i r .  T a k e n  A p r i l  1 9 ,  1 9 6 8 ,  F o u r t h  G r a d e  t a u g h t

b y  M r .  C o l e m a n .

Q. Do y o u  h a v e  t h a t  r e c o r d ?

A .  Y e s ,  s i r .

Q. How m a n y  w e r e  e x a m i n e d  o r  g i v e n  t h e  t e s t  i n  t h a t  c l a s s

a t  t h a t  t i m e ?

A. Fifteen.

Q. What did that test reflect?

A .  I t  r e f l e c t e d  t h a t  t h e  s t u d e n t s  a v e r a g e  f o r  t h e  g r o u p

w a s  2 . 7 .

Q. What does that mean, Mr. Kennedy?

A. T h a t  i s  t h e  s e c o n d  g r a d e ,  s e v e n t h  m o n t h  r a t i n g  o f

f o u r t h  g r a d e  s t u d e n t s .

Q.  D o e s  t h a t  m e a n  t h a t  t h e i r  q u a l i t y  o f  e d u c a t i o n  i n

r e a d i n g ,  e v e n  t h o u g h  t h e y  w e r e  i n  t h e  f o u r t h  g r a d e ,  

o n l y  i n d i c a t e d  t h e y  h a d  s c h o o l i n g  c o m p a r a b l e  t o  s e c o n d  

g r a d e ,  s e v e n t h  m o n t h ,  i s  t h a t  w h a t  i t  m e a n s ?

MR. WALKER: He s a i d  " q u a l i t y  o f  e d u c a t i o n . "

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I  t h i n k  t h a t  c e r t a i n l y  i s  n o t  t h e  p r o p e r  w o r d i n g .

MR. BUTLER: Q u a l i t y  o f  r e a d i n g .

T h i s  i s  q u a l i t y  o f  r e a d i n g .  T h e y  r e a d  o n  t h e  l e v e l  

o f  t h e  s e c o n d  g r a d e  i n  t h e  s e v e n t h  m o n t h .

MR. WALKER; Y o u r  H o n o r ,  o u r  o b j e c t i o n  i s  t h a t  

i t  d o e s  n o t  p u r p o r t  t o  m e a s u r e  q u a l i t y ,  i t  o n l y  

m e a s u r e s  r e s u l t s ,  i f  a n y t h i n g .

THE COURT: T h e  r e c o r d  s p e a k s  f o r  i t s e l f .

Q. (MR. BUTLER, c o n t i n u i n g ) ;  A l l  r i g h t ,  Mr.  K e n n e d y ,  d o

y o u  h a v e  t h e  r e c o r d  o f  t h e  t e s t s ,  N e l s o n  R e a d i n g  T e s t ,  

g i v e n  t o  t h e  f i f t h  g r a d e ,  L .  R.  J a c k s o n ,  t e a c h e r s  on  

A p r i l  1 9 ,  1 9 6 8 ?

A .  Y e s ,  s i r .

Q.  How m a n y  t o o k  t h a t  t e s t  i n  t h a t  c l a s s ?

A. T h i r t e e n ,  s i r .

Q. And w h a t  w e r e  t h e  r e s u l t s  o f  t h a t  t e s t ?

T h e  r e s u l t  o f  t h i s  t e s t ,  a l l  b e i n g  f i f t h - g r a d e  p u p i l s ,  

t h e i r  a v e r a g e  s c o r e  f o r  t h e  e n t i r e  c l a s s  w a s  2 . 7  i n  

t h e  r e a d i n g  t e s t .  T h a t  i s  t h e  s e c o n d  g r a d e ,  s e v e n t h  

m o n t h ,  s i r .

THE COURT: W h a t  d a t e ?

A. 4 - 1 9 - 1 9 6 8 .

Q. Do y o u  h a v e  a n y  o t h e r  r e c o r d s  t h e r e  w i t h  r e g a r d  t o  t h e

c l a s s  t a u g h t  b y  M r s .  M i t t i e  J a c k s o n ?

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Q • I t  i s  A p r i l  1 9 ,  1 9 6 9 ,  a n d  w h a t  g r a d e ?

A. T h i s  i s  n o t  d a t e d ,  s i r ,  i t  i s  f o r  t h e  t h i r d  g r a d e .  I

a s s u m e  t h e y  w e r e  a l l  g i v e n  a t  t h e  s a m e  t i m e .  i t  i s  t h e

t h i r d  g r a d e  s t u d e n t s .  T h e  a v e r a g e  f o r  t h e  c l a s s  i s  2 ,

w h i c h  w o u l d  m e an  s e c o n d  g r a d e ,  a n d  i n d i c a t i n g  t h e y  

w e r e  o n e  y e a r  b e h i n d  o n  t h e i r  r e a d i n g  o r  o n e - t h i r d  o f  

t h e i r  e d u c a t i o n .

Q. Do y o u  h a v e  a n y  o t h e r  t e s t s  t h e r e  t h a t  w e r e  g i v e n  i n

t h e  1 9 6 8 ,  o r  1 9 6 7 ?

A. I  d o n ' t  t h i n k  s o ,  I  b e l i e v e  t h a t  i s  a l l  I  h a v e .

Q- D o e s  t h a t  c o v e r  w h a t  y o u  h a v e  f o u n d  i n  y o u r  r e c o r d s

w i t h  r e g a r d  t o  W h e a t l e y  c e n t r a l  E l e m e n t a r y  i n  1967  a n d  

i n  1 9 6 8 ?

A .  Y e s ,  s i r .

Q.  W i l l  y o u  m a k e  t h e s e  c o p i e s  o f  t h e s e  r e c o r d s  a b o u t

w h i c h  y o u  t e s t i f i e d  e x h i b i t s  t o  y o u r  t e s t i m o n y ?

A .  Y e s ,  s i r .

Q- I hand you copies here and ask you if these are true

copies about which you testified?

A. Y e s ,  s i r .

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g i v e n  a s  t o  w h a t  t h e y  a r e ,  w i t h o u t  f u r t h e r  o b j e c t i o n ,  

t h e y  w i l l  b e  r e c e i v e d .

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(WHEREUPON, t h e  d o c u m e n t s  w e r e  
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i d e n t i f i c a t i o n ,  r e c e i v e d  i n  e v i d e n c e  
a n d  m a d e  a  p a r t  o f  t h e  r e c o r d  h e r e o f . )

Q. (MR. BUTLER, continuing): Mr. Kennedy, at the time

you became superintendent of the Wheatley school Distric 

July 1 ,  or July, 1 9 6 8 ,  how many teachers had already 

been hired for the school year?

A. All of them but two.

Q. All b u t  t w o ?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. After you became superintendent did you have any that

had been hired to resign?

A. Yes, I had one.

Q. Who was that?

A. Mrs. Haley.

Q. And when did she tender her resignation?

A. The latter part of August.

Q. Was that just before the beginning of the school term

' 6 8 - 6 9 ?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. How many teachers or personnel have you hired for the

Wheatley School District since you have been superin-

tendent?

A. I have hired two.

Q- And who were they?

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A. M r .  G l e n n  R o b i n s o n  a n d  M r .  W i l l i a m  L e e .

Q. When w a s  t h e  p r i n c i p a l  o f  t h e  s c h o o l  h i r e d ?

A. A b o u t  t h e  f i r s t  o f  S e p t e m b e r .

Q. He w a s  h i r e d  a f t e r  y o u  b e c a m e  s u p e r i n t e n d e n t  o f  s c h o o l s ;

A. Oh,  y e s ,  1 s t  o f  S e p t e m b e r ,  ! 6 8 .

Q. A r e  t h e y  t h e  o n l y  t h r e e  p e r s o n n e l  y o u  h a v e  h i r e d ?

A. M r .  L e e  i s  t h e  p r i n c i p a l .

Q.  M r .  L e e  i s  t h e  p r i n c i p a l ?

A. Y e s ,  s i r .

Q. Who w a s  t h e  o t h e r ?

A. M r .  R o b i n s o n ,  f i f t h - g r a d e  t e a c h e r .

Q. W h o s e  p l a c e  d i d  h e  f i l l ?

A. M r s .  H a l e y ' s .

Q. A nd  t h i s  h a s  b e e n  a l l  t h e  h i r i n g  t h e  s c h o o l  b o a r d  h a s

d o n e  s i n c e  y o u  h a v e  b e e n  i t s  s u p e r i n t e n d e n t ?

A. Y e s ,  s i r .

Q.  I  b e l i e v e  y o u  s t a t e d  t h a t  y o u  h a v e  b e e n  i n  s c h o o l

a d m i n i s t r a t i o n  f o r  a b o u t  e l e v e n  y e a r s ?

A. I t  i s  l o n g e r  t h a n  t h a t ,  s i r .  I n  g i v i n g  my o r i g i n a l

t e s t i m o n y  y o u  a s k e d  w h e r e  I  h a d  w o r k e d  i n  p u b l i c  

s c h o o l s  i n  A r k a n s a s .  I  w o r k e d  f o r  t h e  S o u t h  C e n t r a l  

A s s o c i a t i o n  o f  S e c o n d a r y  S c h o o l s  a n d  C o l l e g e s ,  a n d  

M e m p h i s  S t a t e  U n i v e r s i t y  a n d  i n  t h e  S t a t e  D e p a r t m e n t  

o f  E d u c a t i o n  i n  T e n n e s s e e  b e f o r e  I  c a m e  t o  A r k a n s a s .

Q. L e t  me a s k  y o u  t h i s  q u e s t i o n ,  M r .  K e n n e d y .  J u s t  b e c a u s e

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a teacher has a degree doesn't mean he is qualified to 

teach anything in any school, is that true?

A. That is certainly true. We have legal requirements
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on this just like you do the law, sir. I could no more 

teach first grade that I could practice law legally, 

so this is pretty important in the educational field,

Mr. Butler. We have joked about this so long that it 

has hurt a lot of children and it is still hurting 

children. And this is the thing that we in the 

educational field are quite serious about. We are 

trying to be and we are trying to improve it. Does that 

answer your questions?

Q. Yes. Now since you have been superintendent of the

Wheatley School District, have you had any other 

applications for jobs?

A. Yes, I have had some. I had one Negro and I have had

three -- I have had four white and one Negro.

Q. Are those applications on file in your office now?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. Why haven't you given them favorable attention?

A. Why haven't I?

Q. Yes, why haven't you?

A. Mr. Robinson, I did, he and the two others. I needed

teachers and I hired one of these people. And the 

others I haven't needed.

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You haven't had a vacancy and haven't needed them?

There is no point in hiring a teacher if you don't have 
a vacancy.

Since you have been superintendent of schools at 

Wheatley, have Mr. Jackson, Mrs. Jackson, Mrs. Meeks 

or Mr. Coleman, filed applications to come back to 

work for the school district?

No, sir.

Now, in checking through your files, did you find any 

records pertaining to Mrs. Mittie Jackson with regard 

to purchases she made which had been charged to the 

Wheatley School District?

Yes, sir, I have.

But do you know personally about these?

Well, the collector called on me one time and asked 

if I could help.

Since you have been superintendent of schools?
Yes.

A collector for what company?

I don't remember the company, but his name was 

Messenger, Aubrey Messenger, I believe.

Did you find in your files some statements from the 

School Products Company?

Yes, sir.

Pertaining to items that Mrs. Jackson had purchased?

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And charged to the school district?

Yes, sir.

Was it in connection with these items that Mr. Kessenger 

called on you?

Yes, sir.

When was that?

In August, I believe, or September '68.

Shortly after you became superintendent of schools?

Yes, sir.

What in particular had she bought that he was question­

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I don't remember. I believe I asked the secretary to 

find out what this was and — -

MR. WALKER: Objection.

And she wrote to Mr. Richardson, and I believe he said 

it was in the files and told me where to find it. He ha 

refused to pay for it because he had not authorized it. 

MR. WALKER: Objection.

(MR.BUTLER, continuing): Mr. Richardson had refused?

He told me so in a letter -- 

And what was the purchase of?

I don't remember, sir.

MR. BUTLER: I believe that is all.

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( O b s e r v i n g . )

CROSS EXAMINATION

BY MR. WALKER:

Q. Now, c a n  y o u  p r o v e  t h a t  M r s .  J a c k s o n  m a d e  a n y  p u r c h a s e s

f r o m  t h e  S c h o o l  P r o d u c t s  Com pany  t h a t  s h e  c h a r g e d  t o  

t h e  W h e a t l e y  S c h o o l  D i s t r i c t ?

A. A r e  y o u  a s k i n g  me?

Q. Y e s .

A .  I  s u p p o s e  I  c o u l d  n o t .

Q. I s n ' t  i t  t r u e  t h a t  o n  t h e  i n v o i c e  t h a t  y o u  r e f e r r e d  t o

t h a t  M r s .  J a c k s o n ' s  nam e  i s  n o t  e v e n  m e n t i o n e d  a n d  y o u  

h a v e  a b s o l u t e l y  n o  w a y  o f  t r a c i n g  t h i s  t o  M r s .  J a c k s o n ?  

A. M r .  K e s s e n g e r  c a l l e d  o n  me.

Q. B u t  o t h e r  t h a n  y o u r  l i t t l e  n o t e  t h e r e  —  d i d  y o u  w r i t e

t h a t  n o t e ?

A. Y e s ,  s i r ,  t h a t ' s  my w r i t i n g .

Q. Do y o u  r e m e m b e r  t h e  d a t e  y o u  w r o t e  t h a t  n o t e ?

A .  No,  s i r ,  I  d o  n o t .

Q. R e a d  t h a t  n o t e  w o u l d  y o u ?

A .  " A u b r e y  K e s s i n g e r  t r i e d  t o  s e e  h e r  a n d  s h e  w o u l d  n o t

l e t  h i m  i n  h e r  h o u s e  a n d  s a i d  s h e  w o u l d  p a y  t h i s  i n  

L i t t l e  R o c k  o n  M o n d a y . "

Q. Do y o u  s e e  M r s .  M i t t i e  J a c k s o n ' s  nam e  o n  t h i s  a n y w h e r e ?

A. He b r o u g h t  i t  t o  me —

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Q. No; do you see her name?

A. No.

Q. So for all we know it could have been for another persor

other than your word, is that right?

A. It so states on another item there with her name on top

of it.

Q. I  am n o t  t a l k i n g  a b o u t  a n o t h e r  i t e m .  I  am t a l k i n g

a b o u t  t h i s  o n e ,  P l a i n t i f f s '  E x h i b i t  1 0 .  I  h a v e  a  c o p y  

o f  a n  i n v o i c e  o r  a  s t a t e m e n t  t o  t h e  W h e a t l e y  S c h o o l  

D i s t r i c t  d a t e d  —  s t a m p  d a t e d  S e p t e m b e r  1 8 ,  1 9 6 8 ,  do 

y o u  a c c u s e  M r s .  J a c k s o n  o f  h a v i n g  m a d e  t h o s e  d e b t s ?

A. I  a s k e d  my s e c r e t a r y  t o  f i n d  o u t  w h e n  t h i s  w a s  p u r c h a s e d

a n d  b y  whom.

Q. You know what it was?

A. No, sir.

Q. A l l  y o u  s e e  t h e r e  i s  a  b a l a n c e  a n d  y o u  d o n ' t  k n o w  b y

whom i t  w a s  p u r c h a s e d ,  d o  y o u ?

A. As f a r  a s  k n o w i n g  I  d o n ' t .

Q. I  am t a l k i n g  a b o u t  S e p t e m b e r  1 8 .  W h a t  i s  t h e  n o t e  y o u

h a v e  m a d e  o n  t h e r e ?

A. "See what this is for."

Q. You don't know whether she made all of these purchases

or one of them, or who made them, do you?

A. That is correct.

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P l a i n t i f f s '  E x h i b i t s  10 a n d  1 1 .

THE COURT: Let it be received.

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m a r k e d  P l a i n t i f f s '  E x h i b i t  10 a n d  11 
i d e n t i f i c a t i o n ,  r e c e i v e d  i n  e v i d e n c e  
a n d  m a de  a p a r t  o f  t h e  r e c o r d  h e r e o f . )

0 .  (MR. WALKER, c o n t i n u i n g ) : Now, c a n  y o u  i d e n t i f y  t h i s

p a r t i c u l a r  i n v o i c e  a s  h a v i n g  com e  f r o m  t h e  S c h o o l  

P r o d u c t s  C o m p a n y ?

A. Yes.

Q. Made out to the Wheatley School?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. What is the amount of this?

A. 7 . 9 1 .

Q. W h a t  i s  t h e  d i f f e r e n c e  b e t w e e n  t h a t  p a r t i c u l a r  i n v o i c e

a n d  t h e  i n v o i c e  w h i c h  h a s  b e e n  e x h i b i t e d  a s  P l a i n t i f f s '  

E x h i b i t  1 0 ?

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my secretary. This is the statement about Mr. Kessinger, 

what he told me.

Q. B u t  o n  t h i s  o n e ,  w h a t  d i d  y o u  s a y ,  w o u l d  y o u  r e a d  i t

t o  t h e  c o u r t ?

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a n d  s e n d  me a s t a t e m e n t  o n  w h a t  s h e  h a s  o r d e r e d  a n d  

c h a r g e d  t o  t h e  s c h o o l  i n  1 9 6 7 - 6 8 . "

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c h a r g e d  t o  t h e  s c h o o l  f r o m  t h e  c o m p a n y ?

A. O n l y  a n  i n v o i c e ,

Q. You h a v e  r e c e i v e d  a n  i n v o i c e  a n d  t h a t  i s  t h e  n e x t

s t a t e m e n t  r i g h t  h e r e ,  i s  t h a t  r i g h t ,  s i r ?

A. Y e s ,  s i r ,

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a s  P l a i n t i f f s 1 E x h i b i t  12 f o r  i d e n t i f i c a t i o n ,

(WHEREUPON, t h e  d o c u m e n t  w a s  
m a r k e d  P l a i n t i f f s  1 E x h i b i t  12 f o r  
i d e n t i f i c a t i o n ,  r e c e i v e d  i n  e v i d e n c e  
a n d  m a d e  a  p a r t  o f  t h e  r e c o r d  h e r e o f , )

Q. (MR. WALKER, c o n t i n u i n g ) : Now w o u l d  y o u  t e l l  me w h a t

i t e m s  s h e  p u r c h a s e d ,  s i r ,  o n  t h e  b a s i s  o f  t h e s e  

r e s p o n s e s  f r o m  t h e  S c h o o l  P r o d u c t s  C o m p a n y ?

A. T h e s e  a r e  o n l y  i n v o i c e  n u m b e r s .

Q. You d o n ' t  k n o w  w h a t  w a s  p u r c h a s e d  t h e r e ,  d o  y o u ?

A. No,  I  d o n ' t .

Q.  W h a t  w a s  t h e  n a t e  y o u  m a d e  o n  t h e r e ?

A. " C h a r g e d  t o  t h e  W h e a t l e y  S c h o o l ,  u s e d  p e r s o n a l l y ,  n o t

a u t h o r i z e d  b y  Mr . R i c h a r d s o n . "

Q. W h a t  d i d  s h e  b u y ?

A .  T h i s  I  am n o t  s u r e .

Q. How d o  y o u  k n o w  s h e  u s e d  i t  p e r s o n a l l y ?

A. One i t e m  w a s  som e  b a t h  s c a l e s ,  o r  s o m e t h i n g .

Q. T h a t  i s  o n  a n o t h e r  i n v o i c e ,  $ 7 . 9 1 ,  w h i c h  i s  P l a i n t i f f s '

E x h i b i t  N o .  1 0 ?  T h i s  i s  h e a l t h - r o o m  s c a l e s .

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Q. You d o n ' t  k n o w  w h e t h e r  s h e  u s e d  t h o s e  a t  s c h o o l  o r  n o t ,

d o  y o u ?

A. I  d o  n o t  k n o w  w h e t h e r  s h e  u s e d  t h e m  o r  n o t .

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o t h e r .

Q. (MR. WALKER, c o n t i n u i n g ) :  So y o u  d o n ' t  k n o w  w h a t  t h o s e

i t e m s  a r e  t h a t  s h e  w a s  s u p p o s e d  t o  h a v e  p u r c h a s e d  f r o m  

S c h o o l  p r o d u c t s  C o m p a n y ,  d o  y o u ?

A. No,  s i r .

Q.  You d o n ' t  k n o w  w h e t h e r  s h e  u s e d  t h e m  p e r s o n a l l y ,  d o

y o u ?

A. No,  s i r .

Q.  W h a t  i s  t h e  t o t a l  a m o u n t  o f  t h i s  b i l l ?

A. $ 2 0 9 . 1 2 .

Q. Who i s  t h e  s t a t e m e n t  t o ?

A. S t a t e m e n t  t o ?

Q. To whom i s  i t  a d d r e s s e d ?

A .  M r s .  M i t t i e  W. J a c k s o n .

Q. N o t  c o n s i d e r i n g  y o u r  w r i t t e n  n o t e  down t h e r e ,  d o e s  t h i s

r e f l e c t  t h a t  i t  w a s  c h a r g e d  t o  t h e  W h e a t l e y  S c h o o l  —  

d o e s  t h i s  s t a t e m e n t  r e f l e c t  t h i s  a m o u n t  w a s  c h a r g e d  t o  

t h e  W h e a t l e y  S c h o o l ?

A. T h e  s t a t e m e n t  d o e s  n o t .

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S c h o o l  D i s t r i c t  h a s  p a i d  a n y  d e b t  m a d e  b y  Mm J a c k s o n ?

A. No, sir, I do not.

Q. Now with regard to the standardized tests, do you have

the other tests with you which reflect the performance 

of pupils in other teachers' classes?

A. No, sir, I do not have them with me.

Q. Have you a record from which you can testify which

sets out what those results are?

A. Do I have a record?

Q. Yes, with you?

A. No, sir.

Q. Do y o u  k n o w  w h a t  t h e  r a n g e  o f  a p t i t u d e  s c o r e s  w e r e  f o r

p u p i l s  o f  t h e  w h i t e  s c h o o l s  i n  g r a d e  o n e  f o r  1 9 6 7 - 6 8  

s c h o o l  y e a r ?

A. Would you rephrase your question again?

Q. Do y o u  k n o w  w h a t  t h e  r a n g e  o f  a p t i t u d e  s c o r e s  w a s  f o r

p u p i l s  i n  g r a d e  o n e  i n  W h e a t l e y  S c h o o l  f o r  t h e  1 9 6 7 - 6 8  

s c h o o l  y e a r ?

A. We do not give aptitude tests to first-grade students.

Q. What was the range for pupils in grade two at the

Wheatley School?

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Q. What does this Lee Clark Reading Test supposed to

measure?

A. Measure the ability to read.

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How do you know that?

That is how well you read.

How well you read?

Yes.

Tell me specifically who developed the Lee Clark Reading 

Test, what it purports to measure, conditions under 

which it is supposed to be administered?

I cannot tell you specifically. This was given 

by a guidance counselor who has a master's degree on 

the subject.

So you don't know what happened. You don't know whether 

the teacher who administered the test, gave the students 

a sufficient amount of time to take the test, do you?

Do you know?

I do not know. I can only testify to what was in my 

files.

Do your files reflect how much time she gave during the 

administration of this test to each pupil?

The time requirement was set up in those standard tests. 

That was not the point. Do you know how much time she 

actually spent on it?

Your question is misleading, sir. Rephrase it.

You answered it.

I cannot answer it I don't know what you mean.

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a s k e d  y o u  i f  y o u  k n e w  how  much  t i m e  t h e y  g a v e .

Q. (MR. WALKER, c o n t i n u i n g ) :  Now, M r .  K e n n e d y ,  a r e  y o u

s u g g e s t i n g  t h a t  t h e s e  t e a c h e r s  a r e  t h e  o n e s  who a r e  

p r i m a r i l y  r e s p o n s i b l e  f o r  w h a t e v e r  t e s t  s c o r e s  t h e s e  

p u p i l s  may h a v e  m a d e ?

A. W h i c h  t e a c h e r s ?

Q. T h e s e  f o u r  t e a c h e r s  who w e r e  d i s m i s s e d ?

A. No,  I  am n o t  s u g g e s t i n g  a n y t h i n g .

Q. W h a t  p o i n t  a r e  y o u  t r y i n g  t o  m a k e  w i t h  r e g a r d  t o  t h e

t e s t s ?

A. I  am n o t  m a k i n g  a n y  p o i n t ,  I  am j u s t  p r e s e n t i n g  t h e

t e s t s „

Q. W h a t  d o  t h e y  p u r p o r t  t o  s h o w ?  Why d o  y o u  w a n t  t o  u s e

t h e m ?

A. Why d o  I  w a n t  t o  u s e  t h e m ?

Q. Y e s ,  w h a t  a r e  y o u  t r y i n g  t o  s h o w  b y  t h e m ?

A .  I  d o n ' t  t h i n k  I  am t r y i n g  t o  s h o w  a n y t h i n g .  I  am j u s t

l e t t i n g  t h e  t e s t s  s p e a k  a n d  l e t t i n g  t h e  c o u r t  d e c i d e  

w h a t  t h e y  s h o w .

Q. Do y o u  k n o w  w h a t  t h e  n o r m  i s  f o r  t h e  N e g r o  p u p i l s  i n

M r s .  C a n n o n ' s  c l a s s  t h i s  y e a r ?

A. I  h a v e  i t  y e s ,  i n  my f i l e s  a t  h o m e .  My c o u n s e l o r  h a s

i t .

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a t  t h e  C e n t r a l  S c h o o l  f o r  ‘ 6 7 - 6 8 ,  do  y o u ?

Yes, sir, I do.

Do you have those records here with you?

No, I do not.

Is it your testimony that these four teachers were 

causing their youngsters one way or the other, along 

with the school system, to score below the national 

norm? Isn't that basically what you're saying? if a 

person, for instance, is in the second grade, then it 

would be expected according to the national norm for 

him to have a score on any recognized test of 2, in 

that about right?

It should be.

So that if any one of these teachers had her pupils 

above the two-point level, that would mean that she was 

doing a good job, wouldn't it?

No, not necessarily.

What would it mean then?

It can again depend on how that teacher gave that test. 

Oh, I see. If she had the pupils below the two-point 

norm, would it mean that the teacher was doing a 

competent teaching job?

Tests are not always a very valid indication in the 

case of one or two or three pupils, but in the case of 

an entire school system they are.

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Q. Row many people would have to be within the school

system for it to be a valid indicator?

A- I  w o u l d  s a y  a b o u t  1 0 0 .  A t h o u s a n d  w o u l d  b e  b e t t e r .

Q* A t h o u s a n d  w o u l d  b e  b e t t e r ?

A. Y e s .

Q. So  y o u  w o u l d  h a v e  t o  t e s t  a t  l e a s t  a  h u n d r e d ,  w o u l d  y o u

n o t ?

A. Y e s .

Q. How m a n y  d i d  y o u  t e s t  i n  t h e  t h i r d ,  f o u r t h  a n d  f i f t h

g r a d e  a t  t h e  W h e a t l e y  C e n t r a l  S c h o o l ?

A. I  d i d n ' t  t e s t  a n y .

Q. A c c o r d i n g  t o  t h e  r e c o r d s ,  w h a t  d o  y o u  p u r p o r t  t h o s e

r e c o r d s  s h o w  —  a n d  I  w i l l  g i v e  y o u  t h e  e x h i b i t s  b a c k .  

On t h e  N e l s o n  T e s t  w h i c h  X h a n d  y o u  —  t h r e e  p a g e s  —■ 

i n  t h e  f o u r t h  g r a d e  how  m a n y  p u p i l s  w e r e  t h e r e ?

A .  F i f t e e n .

Q. And t h e  f i t h  g r a d e  how  m a n y  p u p i l s  w e r e  t h e r e ?

A. T h i r t e e n .

Q. T h a t  i s  a  t o t a l  o f  t w e n t y - e i g h t ,  i s  t h a t  r i g h t ?

A .  R i g h t .

Q.  And t h e  t h i r d  g r a d e ?

A .  T h i r t e e n .

Q. T h a t  i s  a  t o t a l  o f  f o r t y - o n e ,  i s  t h a t  r i g h t ?

A .  Y e s ,  s i r .

Q.  So y o u r  t e s t  p o p u l a t i o n  w a s  f o r t y - o n e .  T h i s  i s  t h e  N e l s

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t e s t .

Q.  Now, on  t h e  C a l i f o r n i a  A c h i e v e m e n t  T e s t  g i v e n  a t  a

d i f f e r e n t  t i m e ,  w h a t  w a s  t h e  t e s t  n u m b e r  o f  p e r s o n s  

w ho  w a s  t e s t e d  -  w o u l d  y o u  g o  t h r o u g h  i t ?

A .  F o u r t e e n .

Q .  S e c o n d  g r a d e ?

A. S i x t e e n .

Q. A t o t a l  o f  t h i r t y  t h u s  f a r ?

A. Y e s .

Q. And g r a d e  o n e ?

A. T w e n t y  f o u r .

Q. F i f t y  f o u r .  I  t h o u g h t  y o u  d i d n ' t  g i v e  t e s t s  t o  p u p i l s

i n  g r a d e  o n e .

A .  I  s a i d  we d i d n ' t  g i v e  a p t i t u d e  t e s t s .

Q .  W h a t  i s  t h e  C a l i f o r n i a  - -  t h i s  i s  a  r e a d i n g  t e s t .

A .  Y e s .

Q. Now, i f  o n e  t e a c h e r ,  t h o u g h ,  h a d  h e r  c l a s s  c o n s i d e r a b l y

a b o v e  t h e  n a t i o n a l  a v e r a g e ,  w o u l d  t h i s  b e  a n  i n d i c a t i o n  

t h a t  s h e  i s  n o t  a n  i n c o m p e t e n t  t e a c h e r  p e r h a p s ?

A. P e r h a p s .

Q. I t  may a l s o  i n d i c a t e  t h a t  s h e  h a s  a  b r i g h t  g r o u p  o f

s t u d e n t s ,  r i g h t ?

A. P e r h a p s .

Q. And i f  h e r  s t u d e n t s  h a p p e n  t o  s c o r e  b e l o w  t h e  n a t i o n a l

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a v e r a g e ,  t h i s  may a l s o  i n d i c a t e  t h a t  i n  t e r m s  o f  

a b i l i t y  a n d  a p t i t u d e  t h e  s t u d e n t s  a s  a  g r o u p  a r e  b e l o w  

t h e  n a t i o n a l  a v e r a g e ,  w o u l d  i t  n o t ?

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i t ’ s , . .

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A .  F i n e .

Q. C an  y o u  b l a m e  a f i f t h - g r a d e  t e a c h e r  f o r  t h e  r e s u l t  o f  -

s a y  h e  h a s  h a d  p u p i l s  t h r e e  m o n t h s  - -  f o r  t h e i r  p e r ­

f o r m a n c e  on a  t e s t  i f  t h o s e  p u p i l s  h a p p e n  t o  s c o r e  

c o n s i d e r a b l y  b e l o w  t h e  n a t i o n a l  e p e c t a t i o n ?

A .  A r e  y o u  a s k i n g  me a s  a n  e d u c a t o r ?

Q. Y e s .

A. S t a t e  y o u r  q u e s t i o n  a g a i n .

Q. L e t  u s  a s s u m e  t h a t  M r .  J a c k s o n ,  a  f i f t h  g r a d e  t e a c h e r ,

r e c e i v e s  t w e n t y  p u p i l s  f r o m  t h e  f o u r t h  g r a d e  t e a c h e r ,  

a n d  t h a t  y o u  t e s t  t h e m  i n  O c t o b e r  o r  N o v e m b e r  o f  t h e  

s c h o o l  y e a r  s e v e r a l  m o n t h s  a f t e r  t h e y  h a v e  com e  i n t o  

h i s  c l a s s r o o m ,  a n d  t h o s e  p u p i l s  t e s t s  o u t  a t  m a y b e  tw o  

g r a d e s  b e l o w  t h e  n a t i o n a l  n o r m .  How m u c h  o f  t h i s  

f a i l u r e  t o  m e a s u r e  u p  t o  t h e  n a t i o n a l  n o r m  c a n  b e  

a t t r i b u t e d  t o  M r .  J a c k s o n ' s  c o m p e t e n c e  o r  i n c o m p e t e n c e ?  

T h i s  i s  a  h y p o t h e t i c a l  q u e s t i o n .

I t  i s  e x t r e m e l y  h y p o t h e t i c a l ,  s i r ,  a n d  I  d o n ' t  t h i n k  i t  

c o u l d  b e  a c c u r a t e l y  a s c e r t a i n e d  on  t h e  b a s i s  y o u  h a v e

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a s s u m e d  i n  y o u r  s t a t e m e n t .

W h a t  o t h e r  f a c t o r s  g o  i n t o  d e t e r m i n i n g  w h e t h e r  o r  n o t  

a  p u p i l  m e a s u r e s  u p  t o  t h e  n a t i o n a l  n o r m  b e s i d e s  

o b v i o u s  f a c t o r s  l i k e  t h e  a m o u n t  o f  t i m e  g i v e n  i n  

a d m i n i s t e r i n g  t h e  t e s t ?

T h e r e  a r e  s o  m a n y  y o u  c o u l d  a l l o w  w i t h  t h i s .

I s n ' t  i t  t r u e  b a s i c a l l y ,  a c c o r d i n g  t o  y o u r  i n f o r m a t i o n  

i n  y o u r  e x p e r i e n c e  i n  e a s t e r n  A r k a n s a s  t h a t  b e c a u s e  o f  

a n y  e d u c a t i o n a l  q u a l i t i e s  o f  t h e  p a s t ,  b l a c k  y o u n g s t e r s  

h a v e  a  t e n d e n c y  w h e n  t h e y  e n t e r  s c h o o l  t o  s c o r e  b e l o w  

w h i t e  y o u n g s t e r s  on s t a n d a r d i z e d  a c h i e v e m e n t  t e s t s ?

You a r e  l i m i t i n g  t h i s  t o  e a s t e r n  A r k a n s a s ?

R i g h t  now ,  we a r e  i n  e a s t e r n  A r k a n s a s  a n d  t h a t  i s  w h a t  

I  am l i m i t i n g  i t  t o .

My e x p e r i e n c e  i s  t h a t  t h e y  h a v e  s c o r e d  a  l i t t l e  b l o w ,  

b u t  n o t  a s  m u c h  a s  p e o p l e  m i g h t  l e a d  y o u  t o  b e l i e v e .  

W o u l d n ' t  y o u  a l s o  s a y ,  a n d  h a v e n ' t  y o u  a l r e a d y  s t a t e d  

i n  y o u r  d e p o s i t i o n  e a r l i e r ,  t h a t  t h i s  i s  h i s t o r i c a l l y  

m u c h  d u e  t o  t h e  f a i l u r e  o f  s c h o o l  s y s t e m s  t o  p r o v i d e  

e q u a l  e d u c a t i o n a l  o p p o r t u n i t i e s  f o r  b l a c k  p u p i l s ?  

H i s t o r i c a l l y  y e s .

Now, w o u l d n ' t  i t  b e  e x p e c t e d  t h a t  y o u n g s t e r s  i n  a  

s c h o o l  w h i c h  i s  a c c r e d i t e d  w o u l d  t e n d  t o  a c h i e v e  a 

h i g h e r  r a t e  o r  l e v e l  t h a n  p u p i l s  i n  a n  u n a c c r e d i t e d  

s c h o o l ?

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Q. W o u l d  i t  d e p e n d  e n t i r e l y  on t h e  t e a c h e r s  o r  t h e

s i t u a t i o n ?

A .  I  t h i n k  i t  w o u l d  d e p e n d  m o r e  u p o n  t h e  t e a c h e r  t h a n  a n y

o t h e r  f a c t o r  i n c l u d e d .

Q. S o  i t  w o u l d  n o t  d e p e n d  e n t i r e l y  on  t h e  t e a c h e r ,  w o u l d

i t ?

A. N o ,  I  w o u l d  s a y  s e v e n t y - f i v e  p e r c e n t ,  y e s .

Q . Do y o u  h a v e  a n y  e d u c a t o r s  who s u p p o r t  y o u r  v i e w  t h a t  you

c a n  c i t e ?

A .  T h a t  t h e  t e a c h e r  i s  t h e  m o s t - -

Q- No,  t h a t  t h e  t e a c h e r  i s  s e v e n t y - f i v e  p e r c e n t  r e s p o n s i b l e

f o r  w h a t  a  p u p i l  s c o r e s  on  a  t e s t ?

A .  N o .

Q. I s n ' t  i t  t r u e  t h a t  y o u  c a n  t a k e  some y o u n g s t e r s  f r o m

c u l t u r a l l y  d e p r i v e d  b a c k g r o u n d s  a n d  p u t  t h e m  i n  t h e  

b e s t  l e a r n e d  s i t u a t i o n s  a n d  t h e y  w i l l  n e v e r  m e a s u r e  u p  

t o  t h e  n a t i o n a l  n o r m ?

A .  T h i s  h a s  n e v e r  b e e n  p r o v e n .

Q. My p o i n t  i s ,  i f  a  p e r s o n  d o e s n ' t  h a v e  t h e  a b i l i t y  - -

i f  h e  i s  l o w  IQ o r  w h a t  h a v e  y o u  - -  t h a t  r e g a r d l e s s  o f  

how  m u c h  y o u  g i v e  h i m ,  h e  i s  n o t  g o i n g  t o  b e  a b l e ,  a l l  

o t h e r  f a c t o r s  e q u a l ,  t o  m e a s u r e  u p  t o  t h e  n a t i o n a l  

n o r m  a t  e v e r y  l e v e l  h e  i s  t e s t e d ?

A .  C e r t a i n l y  t h i s  w o u l d  b e  t r u e  i n  some v e r y  r a r e  c a s e s .

J O A N  F. L I N E S
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E l  D o r a d o , A r k a n s a s

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You h a v e  t e s t i f i e d  a b o u t  M r .  J a c k s o n  a n d  some o f  t h e

o t h e r s ,  a n d  y o u  s a y  t h a t  t h e i r  p u p i l s  d i d n ' t  s c o r e  v e r y  

w e l l .  I  a s k  y o u  i f  y o u  —-

I  s a i d  a c c o r d i n g  t o  t h e  r e c o r d .

You s a y  a c c o r d i n g  t o  t h e  r e c o r d .  T h i s  i s  y o u r  r e c o r d .

I  w i l l  a s k  y o u  t o  i d e n t i f y  t h i s  r e c o r d 7 

I t  i s  t h e  L e e  C l a r k  R e a d i n g  T e s t .

And b y  whom w a s  i t  a d m i n i s t e r e d ?

I  am n o t  s u r e .

L o o k  a n d  s e e .

" T e a c h e r ,  M r s .  M e e k s . "

T h i s  i s  a l r e a d y  y o u r  e x h i b i t  9 .  T h i s  i s  f o r  s e c o n d  

g r a d e  p u p i l s ,  r i g h t ?

Y e s .

W h a t  w a s  t h e  r e s u l t  f o r  p u p i l s  i n  g r a d e  t w o ?

2 . 9 .

So t h i s  m e a n s  t h a t  t h e  p u p i l s  i n  h e r  c l a s s  w e r e  . 9  a b o v e  

t h e  n a t i o n a l  a v e r a g e ?

No, s i r ,  i t  d o e s n ' t .

W h a t  d o e s  i t  m e a n ?

I t  w a s  g i v e n  m  A p r i l ,  s o  t h e y  s h o u l d  h a v e  s c o r e d  2 . 7  o r

8 .

L e t  s  a s s u m e  t h e y  s h o u l d  h a v e  s c o r e d  s o m e w h e r e  b e l o w  

2 . 9 .

A l l  r i g h t .

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Q* T h e  f a c t  i s  s h e  h a d  t h e m  a b o v e  t h e  n a t i o n a l  n o r m ,

i s n ' t  t h a t  t r u e ?

A. T h i s  i s  t r u e  o n  t h i s  t e s t .

Q.  So t h e  a p t i t u d e  t e s t  d o e s n ' t  r e a l l y  r e f l e c t  t h a t  s h e

w a s  a  p o o r  t e a c h e r ,  d o e s  i t ?  On t h e  b a s i s  o f  t h a t  t e s t  

a l o n e  y o u  c a n n o t  c o n c l u d e  s h e  w a s  a  p o o r  t e a c h e r ,  c a n  

y o u ?

A * N o ' I  c a n  c o n c l u d e ,  i f  i  may a d d ,  t h a t  s h e  w a s  n o t  a

g u i d a n c e  c o u n s e l o r ,  s h e  w a s  a t e a c h e r  g i v i n g  o n  h e r  

own c o n d i t i o n s .

Q. Who a d m i n i s t e r e d  t h a t  t e s t ?

A .  M r s .  M e e k s ,  I  s u p p o s e .

Q- N o .  You s t a t e d  e a r l i e r  t h a t  t h e s e  t e s t s  w e r e

a d m i n i s t e r e d  b y  t h e  g u i d a n c e  c o u n s e l o r .  T h i s  i s  t h e  

s a m e  t e s t  y o u r  l a w y e r  i n t r o d u c e d  i n t o  t h e  r e c o r d  a s  

D e f e n d a n t s '  E x h i b i t  9 .  I ' m  j u s t  l o o k i n g  a t  t h e m  a 

l i t t l e  m o r e  c l o s e l y .

A. I  m s t i l l  t r y i n g  t o  f i n d  o u t  who a d m i n i s t e r e d  t h e  t e s t s .

Q* I  d o n ' t  s e e  w h e r e  a n y  o f  t h e s e  t e s t s  s t a t e  who

a d m i n i s t e r e d  t h e m ,  a n d  t h e r e  i s  n o  p r o o f  t h a t  t h e y  

w e r e  a d m i n i s t e r e d  b y  a n y  o n e  i n  p a r t i c u l a r .

THE COURT: The  t e s t i m o n y  y e s t e r d a y  s t a t e d  t h a t

t h e y  w e r e  a d m i n i s t e r e d  b y  t h e  c o u n s e l o r ,  a n d  f r o m  t h e  

t e s t i m o n y  o f  t h i s  w i t n e s s  t h e y  w e r e  a d m i n i s t e r e d  b y  t h e  

c o u n s e l o r „

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MR. WALKER: T h a n k  y o u .

Q. (MR. WALKER, c o n t i n u i n g ) :  I  w o u l d  l i k e  t o  g o  i n t o  som e

o t h e r  f a c t o r s  w i t h  y o u .  I n  a c l a s s  o f  t h i r t e e n  p u p i l s ,  

i s n ' t  i t  l i k e l y  t h a t  y o u  w i l l  h a v e  s o m e  r a n g e  o f  a c h i e v e  

m e n t  s c o r e s ?

A. N o t  n e c e s s a r i l y ;  i t  d e p e n d s  o n  t h e  a g e  a n d  t h e  g r a d e s

o f  t h e  p u p i l s .  i t  w o u l d  b e  v e r y  much  c l o s e r  o n  y o u n g e r  

p u p i l s  t h a n  i t  w o u l d  o l d e r  p u p i l s .

Q.  I n  t h e  t e r m s  o f  a c h i e v e m e n t ,  i s n ' t  i t  l i k e l y  t h a t  i n

e v e r y  c l a s s  y o u  h a v e  w i t h i n  a  s c h o o l  s y s t e m  y o u  a r e  

g o i n g  t o  h a v e  a  w i d e  r a n g e  o f  s c o r e s ?

A. W i d e  r a n g e  o f  s c o r e s ,  y e s .

Q* I s n ' t  i t  l i k e l y  a l s o  t h a t  some o f  t h e s e  y o u n g s t e r s  who

w e r e  b e i n g  t a u g h t  b y  t h e s e  p l a i n t i f f s  u n d e r  no  

c i r c u m s t a n c e s  h a v e  h a d  t h e  p r i o r  t r a i n i n g  o r  e x p e r i e n c e  

w i t h  t h e i r  s o c i e t y  w h e r e i n  t h e y  c o u l d  s c o r e  u p  t o  t h e  

n a t i o n a l  n o r m ?

A. You s a y  som e o f  t h e m ?

Q. Y e s .

A .  Some o f  t h e m ,  m a y b e .

Q. I s n ' t  i t  t r u e  a l s o ,  M r .  K e n n e d y ,  t o  y o u r  k n o w l e d g e

t h a t  a c c o r d i n g  t o  n a t i o n a l  t e s t s  w h i c h  a r e  a d m i n i s t e r e d ,  

t h a t  s o u t h e r n  s t u d e n t s  d o  n o t  s c o r e  u p  t o  t h e  n a t i o n a l  

n o r m  r e g a r d l e s s  o f  t h e i r  r a c e  o r  c o l o r  —  a c c o r d i n g  t o  

n a t i o n a l l y  a d m i n i s t e r e d  t e s t s ?

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U n i t e d  S t a t e s  C o u r t  R e p o r t e r  

F e d e r a l  B u i l d i n g

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Q. You d i d  n o t  k n o w  t h i s ?

A. No,  s i r . I  k n o w  i t  t o  b e  t h a t  t h e y  d o  i n  s o m e  s c h o o l s .

Q. I  am n o t  t a l k i n g  a b o u t  som e  s c h o o l s ,  I  am t a l k i n g

a b o u t  g e n e r a l l y .

A. I  h a v e  r e c o r d s  w h e r e  I  h a v e  g i v e n  p r e v i o u s  t o  s e v e r a l

y e a r s  a g o ,  we w i l l  s a y .

Q. L e t  me a s k  y o u  t h i s .  I s n ' t  i t  t r u e  t h a t  w h e n  t h e  a r m e d

f o r c e s  g a v e  s t a n d a r d i z e d  t e s t s  t o  p e r s o n s  t h r o u g h o u t  

t h e  c o u n t r y  f o r  e n t r a n c e  i n t o  t h e  s e r v i c e s ,  t h a t  

p e r s o n s  f r o m  t h e  s o u t h  s c o r e d  l o w e r  o n  t h o s e  t e s t s  

t h a n  t h e y  d i d  f r o m  a n y  o t h e r  r e g i o n ?

A .  P e r s o n s ,  b u t  t h e s e  a r e  •—-

Q- I  am t a l k i n g  a b o u t  t h e  a v e r a g e  f o r  t h e  s o u t h  w a s  b e l o w

t h e  r e s t  o f  t h e  n a t i o n ?

A. Y e s .

Q. I s n ' t  i t  a l s o  c e r t a i n  t h a t  t h e  N e g r o e s  i n  t h e  s o u t h

s c o r e d  l o w e r  t h a n  t h e  w h i t e  i n  t h e  s o u t h ?

A. Y e s .

Q. I s n ' t  i t  t r u e  t h a t  h i s t o r i c a l l y  t h i s  r e f l e c t s  t h e  f a c t

t h a t  t h e  q u a l i t y  o f  e d u c a t i o n a l  o p p o r t u n i t i e s  o f f e r e d  

b l a c k  y o u n g s t e r s  h a v e  b e e n  b e l o w  t h a t  o f  t h e  w h i t e ?

A. Y e s ,  t h i s  i s  t r u e .

Q. L e t  me f u r t h e r  a s k  y o u ,  i f  y o u  w e r e  t o  a g a i n  a n s w e r  t h e

q u e s t i o n  a s  t o  t h e  n u m b e r  o f  N e g r o  p u p i l s  w ho  a r e  i n

J O A N  F. L I N E S
U n i t e d  S t a t e s  C o u r t  R e p o r t e r  

F e d e r a l  B u i l d i n g

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m a j o r i t y  s i t u a t i o n s  i n  c l a s s e s  w i t h i n  t h e  W h e a t l e y  

S c h o o l  S y s t e m  —  y o u  r e c a l l  y o u r  t e s t i m o n y ?

A. I  d o  n o t  r e c a l l  e x a c t l y  w h a t  y o u  a r e  r e f e r r i n g  t o .

Q. You t e s t i f i e d  t h a t  t h e s e  t h r e e  c l a s s e s  t a u g h t  b y  t h e s e

t h r e e  N e g r o  t e a c h e r s  w e r e  n o t  t h e  o n l y  c l a s s e s  i n  w h i c h  

N e g r o  p u p i l s  p r e d o m i n a t e d ,  i s  t h a t  r i g h t ?

A .  T h a t  i s  c o r r e c t .

Q- How m any  c l a s s e s  d o  y o u  h a v e  i n  w h i c h  w h i t e  p u p i l s

p r e d o m i n a t e ?

A .  I  d o  n o t  k n o w .

Q. Do y o u  h a v e  a n y ?

A .  Y e s ,  I  c a n  r e m e m b e r  o n e ,  p o s s i b l y .

Q. J u s t  o n e .  I  t h i n k  y o u  s t a t e d  e a r l i e r  y o u  h a d  s i x t y

c l a s s e s ?

A .  T h a t ' s  a b o u t  r i g h t .

Q. A r e  a l l  o f  t h e s e  p r d o m i n a n t l y  N e g r o ?

A. Y e s .

Q. I s  t h a t  r i g h t ?

A .  A l l  o f  t h e m  —  o f  t h o s e  s i x t y  —  I ' m  s o r r y ,  t h e r e  i s

o n e  c l a s s  o f  s e n i o r  b a s k e t b a l l  g i r l s .

Q. S e n i o r  b a s k e t b a l l ?

A. I t  i s  n o t  a  c l a s s .  I t  i s  a  g i r l ' s  t e a m ,  i t ' s  e x t r a

c u r r i c u l a r  a c t i v i t y .

Q. I just want to get this straight now for the record.

I s n ' t  i t  t r u e  t h a t  M r s .  L a u r a  S m i t h  h a s  a t o t a l  n u m b e r

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o f  f o u r t e e n  w h i t e  s t u d e n t s  a n d  t h i r t e e n  b l a c k  s t u d e n t s ?

A. F o u r t e e n  w h i t e  a n d  t h i r t e e n  b l a c k .  T h a t  i s  c o r r e c t

p r o b a b l y  a t  t h i s  t i m e .

Q. T h e s e  w e r e  t h e  f i g u r e s  p r o v i d e d  me y e s t e r d a y .

A .  N u m b e r  o f  t h e s e  s t u d e n t s  t a u g h t  i n  e a c h  c l a s s  —  w h a t

i s  t h i s ?

THE COURT: I t  s e e m s  t o  me y o u  a r e  t a k i n g  a

l o t  o f  t i m e  o n  t h i s  s t a t i s t i c a l  b u s i n e s s  t h a t  h a s  l i t t l e  

b e a r i n g  o n  t h e  i s s u e s  i n  t h i s  c a s e .

A. T h e r e  i s  a  m a t t e r  o f  o n e  d i f f e r e n c e  I  w o u l d  s a y ,

p o s s  i b l y .

Q. (MR. WALKER, c o n t i n u i n g ) ; M i s s  A l p h a  F r e n c h ,  f i f t e e n

w h i t e  s t u d e n t s ,  t w e l v e  b l a c k ?  I  w o u l d  j u s t  l i k e  t o  

h a v e  t h i s  i n  t h e  r e c o r d .  M r s .  D i c k s o n  t e a c h e s  t h i r t y -  

o n e  s t u d e n t s ,  o f  w h i c h  o n e  i s  w h i t e .  M r s .  C a n n o n  

t e a c h e s  t w e n t y - e i g h t  o f  w h i c h  n o n e  a r e  w h i t e .  M r s .  

S p e a r s  t e a c h e s  t w e n t y —s i x  s t u d e n t s  o f  w h i c h  n o n e  a r e  

w h i t e .

A . T h a t  i s  c o r r e c t  t o  t h e  b e s t  o f  my k n o w l e d g e .

MR. WALKER: I  w o u l d  l i k e  t o  h a v e  t h i s  m a r k e d

a s  P l a i n t i f f s '  E x h i b i t  N o .  13 a s  a  g r o u p .

(WHEREUPON, t h e  d o c u m e n t s  w e r e  
m a r k e d  P l a i n t i f f s '  E x h i b i t  No.  13 f o r  
i d e n t i f i c a t i o n ,  r e c e i v e d  i n  e v i d e n c e  
a n d  m ade  a p a r t  o f  t h e  r e c o r d  h e r e o f . )

Q- (MR. WALKER, c o n t i n u i n g ) :  You h a v e  a l s o  p r o v i d e d  som e

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o t h e r  f i g u r e s  f o r  me w h i c h  I  w o u l d  l i k e  t o  h a v e  

i d e n t i f i e d  a n d  i n t r o d u c e  t h e m  a s  a g r o u p ,  a n d  I  w o n ' t  

t a k e  a n y  t i m e  t o  d i s c u s s  t h e m .  I  w o u l d  l i k e  t o  h a v e  

t h e s e  i n t r o d u c e d ,  Y o u r  H o n o r .  I t  r e f l e c t s  t h e  n u m b e r  

o f  p u p i l s  i n  t h e  c l a s s e s .  T h e s e  a r e  f i g u r e s  r e f l e c t i n g  

t h e  n u m b e r  o f  p u p i l s  i n  e a c h  h i g h  s c h o o l  c l a s s .

THE COURT: I  d o n ' t  k n o w  w h a t  t h e y  h a v e  g o t  t o

d o  w i t h  t h i s  q u e s t i o n  we h a v e  h e r e .  G e n t l e m e n ,  t h e  

C o u r t  h a s  t r i e d  t o  i n d i c a t e  t o  y o u  t h r o u g h o u t  t h e  

h e a r i n g  t h a t  we w e r e  n o t  t r y i n g  t o d a y  o r  y e s t e r d a y  t h e  

o t h e r  c a s e ,  H 6 8  C - 2 6 ,  a n d  t h e  C o u r t  i s  g o i n g  t o  a g a i n  

t e l l  y o u  t h a t  h e  i s  n o t  g o i n g  t o  c o n s i d e r  a l l  o f  t h i s  

t e s t i m o n y  t h a t  h a s  b e e n  i n t r o d u c e d  i n  t h i s  r e c o r d  h e r e  

t h a t  h a s  n o t h i n g  t o  do  w i t h  t h i s  c a s e  a n d  i s  i r r e l e v a n t  

t o  i t .

(M r.  W a l k e r  m a r k s  e x h i b i t  a s  P l a i n t i f f s '  
E x h i b i t  14 f a r  c l e r k ' s  f i l e s . )

Q. (MR. WALKER, c o n t i n u i n g ) : Do y o u r  r e c o r d s  r e f l e c t  a n y

g a r n i s h m e n t  a g a i n s t  M r s .  J a c k s o n  —  o r  a n y  a n s w e r  

h a v i n g  b e e n  f i l e d ?

A. No, sir.

Q. Or against any one of the parties?

A. No, garnishments issued at all.

Q. Now, you don't have any other letters with you reflectir

complaints about these people that are dated prior to
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t h e  t i m e  t h e y  w e r e  d i s m i s s e d ?

A. O n l y  t h a t  w h i c h  i s  e x h i b i t e d ,

Q. O n l y  t h e  L a n e  B r y a n t  l e t t e r ,  ( O b t a i n s  l e t t e r )

Now, o n  t h e  L a n e  B r y a n t  e x h i b i t  i t  i s  t r u e  t h a t  y o u  

d o n ' t  k n o w  a n y t h i n g  a b o u t  t h i s ,  y o u  d o n ' t  e v e n  know  

t h e  a m o u n t  o f  t h e  o b l i g a t i o n ,  d o  y o u ?

A. No,  I  j u s t  t e s t i f i e d  I  f o u n d  i t  i n  t h e  f o l d e r .

Q.  A r e  y o u  s t a t i n g  y o u  m a de  n o  r e c o m m e n d a t i o n s  a b o u t  a n y

p e r s o n s  who w e r e  e m p l o y e d  p r i o r  t o  t h e  t i m e  y o u  a c t u a l l y  

t o o k  o f f i c e ?

A .  I  am n o t  s t a t i n g  I  m a de  n o  r e c o m m e n d a t i o n s .  I  am(

s a y i n g ,  " G e t  i n  t o u c h  w i t h  t h e  b o a r d , "  o r  s o m e t h i n g  t o  

t h i s  e f f e c t .  A hom e  e c  t e a c h e r  c a l l e d  me o n e  t i m e  a n d  

s a i d ,  " I  u s e d  t o  l i v e  i n  W h e a t l e y  a n d  I  u n d e r s t a n d  a 

p o s i t i o n  i s  g o i n g  t o  b e  o p e n ,  w h a t  a b o u t  a  j o b , "  a n d  

I  s a i d ,  " C o n t a c t  t h e  b o a r d . "

Q. B u t  t h e  b o a r d  o n  A p r i l  29 d i d  s t a t e  t h a t  a  m o t i o n  w a s

m a de  a n d  s e c o n d e d  t o  a c c e p t  M r .  K e n n e d y ' s  r e c o m m e n d a t i o n  

o f  t h e  r e m a i n i n g  t e a c h e r s  t o  b e  h i r e d ?

A. Y e s ,  t h a t  i s  a p o l i c y  o f  m o s t  b o a r d s .  T h e y  d o  a c c e p t

t h e  s u p e r i n t e n d e n t ' s  r e c o m m e n d a t i o n .

Q. B u t  y o u  w e r e  n o t  s u p e r i n t e n d e n t  o n  A p r i l  2 9 ?

A .  T h e s e  w e r e  t e a c h e r s  i n  t h e  f u t u r e .

Q. So f a r  a l l  t e a c h e r s  who w e r e  h i r e d  a f t e r  A p r i l  2 9 t h  y o u

d i d  p a s s  o n  t h e m ?

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Q. What do you mean then that this was for teachers in the

future?

A. This is usually an accepted policy of school boards,

sir, when they hire new superintendents. They make 

the statement that they will accept his recommendations 

on any teachers that he receives applications on, or 

anything like that, as long as he is contracted by that 

school system. It is just a matter of a support policy 

of the board of education.

Q. I just want to ask you another question about these

tests of other pupils who were tested before. Do you 

know whether any of them had come from the white school 

and been tested at the black school with Mr. Jackson 

and the other teachers' classes?

A. No, sir, I do not.

Q. One final thing. James Haley, you said, was a full­

time teacher?

A. I did not say that.

Q. Was he a full-time teacher?

A. No, I did not.

A. I  d o n ' t k n o w . I  do  know  t h a t  t h e  c h e c k s  a n d  t h e

w a r r a n t s r e v e a l  t h a t  h e  w a s  p a i d  a v e r y  s i z a b l e  s a l a r y

f o r  s e r v i c e s , s i r .

Q. W h a t  w a s t h e a m o u n t  p a i d ?

A. I t  w a s  a b o u t $ 4 5 0 . 0 0  a m o n t h ,  I  b e l i e v e .

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Q. For how many months?

A. I don't know that, I do remember seeing those checks.

Q. Do you know whether or not he was a student teacher,

by your records?

A- I  d o  k n o w  t h i s ,  m o s t  c o l l e g e s  do  n o t  a l l o w  a n y  s t u d e n t ,

t e a c h e r  t o  r e c e i v e  p a y .

Q. That was not my question. Do you know whether he was

a student teacher or not?

A. No, I do not.

Q. Do you know whether or not he had a degree at the time

he taught in your school?

A. No, I do not.

Q. Have you checked your records to determine whether he
had?

A. No, sir, I have not.

Q. So that he was not really released, is that true?

A. I do not know that.

Q. With regard to the young lady named Gehring. Isn't it

true that she had been hired the previous year primarily 

as a relief teacher anyway, according to your minutes?

A. I do not know.

Q. Incidentally, wasn't Miss Gehring a relative of one of

the school board members?

A. I understand she was married to the son of one of the

school board members.
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Q. In addition to your wife working in the school system,

what other relatives do you have working in the school 

system?

A. I have a niece.

Q. H a s  s h e  b e e n  e m p l o y e d  s i n c e  y o u  b e c a m e  s u p e r i n t e n d e n t ?

A. No, sir.

Q. When w a s  s h e  e m p l o y e d ?

A. She was employed previous to my becoming superintendent.

Q. B u t  s u b s e q u e n t  t o  t h e  e n d  o f  t h e  1 9 6 7 - 6 8  s c h o o l  y e a r ?

A. Before the end?

Q. She did not work in the school last year?

A. That is true, she did not.

Q. So she came to work after May, '68?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. What other relatives do you have working in the school

system in any capacity?

A. I do not have, to my knowledge.

Q. How many persons related to the president of the board

are working in the school system?

A. None, to my knowledge.

Q. Do you remember the board president giving a deposition

to the effect that he had a relative working in the 

school system?

A. I do remember him saying that.

Q. What is her name?
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You d o n ' t  k n o w  h e r  na m e ?

X d o  n o t  k n o w  i t .  I t  w a s  p r o b a b l y  M r s .  C h i p m a n  o r  

M r s .  F r e n c h .

M r s .  F r e n c h .  W h a t  d o e s  M r s .  F r e n c h  t e a c h ?

S h e  t e a c h e s  t h e  s e c o n d  g r a d e .

I  a s k e d  y o u  e a r l i e r  w h e t h e r  o r  n o t  y o u  f e l t  i t  w a s  

i m p o r t a n t  f o r  b l a c k  y o u n g s t e r s  i n  t h e  h i g h  s c h o o l  t o  

h a v e  a n y  N e g r o  t e a c h e r s ,  i f  f o r  n o  o t h e r  n e e d  t h a n  t h e  

o n e  o f  h a v i n g  r o l e  i m a g e s .  W h a t  i s  y o u r  r e s p o n s e  t o  

t h a t ?

My r e s p o n s e  i s  t h a t  I  d o n ' t  t h i n k  i t  w o u l d  m a t t e r  

e i t h e r  w a y .

Why d i d  J o a n  L o n g  l e a v e  t h e  s c h o o l  s y s t e m ,  f o r  w h a t  

r e a s o n ?

I  d o  n o t  k n o w .  T h i s  h a p p e n e d  s o m e t i m e  b e f o r e  my 

e l e c t i o n  a s  s u p e r i n t e n d e n t .

Why d i d  D e n n i s  R u s s e l l  l e a v e  t h e  s c h o o l  s y s t e m ?

I  d o  n o t  k n o w .

Why d i d  B i l l y  H a r r i s  l e a v e  t h e  s c h o o l  s y s t e m ?

I  d o  n o t  k n o w .  I  b e g  y o u r  p a r d o n ,  s i r ,  i f  i  m a y .  I  

h a d  a  l e t t e r  t o  M r s .  L o n g  s i g n e d  b y  t h e  s u p e r i n t e n d e n t .  

W h a t  i s  t h e  r e a s o n  g i v e n ?

May I  r e a d  i t ,  s i r ?

Y e s .

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U n i t e d  S t a t e s  C o u r t  R e p o r t e r  

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N o.  2 8 ,  S t .  F r a n c i s  C o u n t y ,  A r k a n s a s ,  v o t e d  u n a n i m o u s l y  

t o  d i s m i s s  y o u  f r o m  y o u r  j o b  a s  f i f t h  g r a d e  t e a c h e r  

a t  W h e a t l e y  E l e m e n t a r y  S c h o o l .  You a r e  t o  b e  d i s m i s s e d  

e f f e c t i v e  N o v e m b e r  3 0 ,  1 9 6 7 .  T h e  r e a s o n s  f o r  y o u r  

d i s m i s s a l  a r e :

" ( 1 )  t h e  f i r s t  l e g a l  r e q u i r e m e n t s  o f  A r k a n s a s  

T e a c h e r  C o n t r a c t  -  a  t e a c h e r  m u s t  p o s s e s s  a  v a l i d  

t e a c h e r ' s  c e r t i f i c a t e  f o r  t h e  s u b j e c t  t a u g h t .

" ( 2 )  D i s s a t i s f a c t i o n  i n  t h e  m a n n e r  i n  w h i c h  y o u  

a r e  p e r f o r m i n g  y o u r  j o b  a s  a  f i f t h  g r a d e  t e a c h e r .

"The board instructed me to inform you of their 

actions which are duly recorded in the minutes of the 

school board meeting November 7 ,  1 9 6 7 .  Yours truly, 

David Richardson, Superintendent."

Q. How long had she been teaching there?

A. Sir?

Q. Do you know how long this teacher had been teaching

there?

A. No, sir.

Q. You don't know whether it was two months or a whole

year?

A . I don't.

Q. There is one other thing. Dennis Russell, what was the

reason he was terminated, do you know? You have records

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t o  r e f l e c t  t h a t ?

I  d o n ' t  h a v e  o n e  i n  h i s  f o l d e r .

Q. A l l  r i g h t .  T h e r e  h a s  b e e n  t e s t i m o n y  t h a t  M r s .  H a l e y ,

d u r i n g  ' 6 7 - 6 8  s c h o o l  y e a r ,  t a u g h t  o n l y  b l a c k  s t u d e n t s .  

You h a v e  h e a r d  t h a t  t e s t i m o n y  h a v e  y o u  n o t ?

A. I  h e a r d  t h a t  t e s t i m o n y .

Q. Who w a s  t h e  p e r s o n  whom y o u  h i r e d  t o  r e p l a c e  h e r ?

A. M r .  R o b i n s o n .

Q. W h a t  i s  t h e  p r e s e n t  r a c i a l  c o m p o s i t i o n  o f  Mr.  R o b i n s o n ' s

c l a s s  o r  c l a s s e s ?

A. A b o u t  h a l f  a n d  h a l f ,  I  w o u l d  s a y .

MR. WALKER: No m o r e  q u e s t i o n s ,  Y o u r  H o n o r .

REDIRECT EXAMINATION

BY MR. BUTLER:

Q. M r .  K e n n e d y ,  d o  y o u r  r e c o r d s  r e f l e c t  how  l o n g  M r s .  F r e n c l

h a s  b e e n  a  t e a c h e r  i n  t h e  W h e a t l e y  S c h o o l  D i s t r i c t ?

A. Y e s ,  s i r ,  I  am s u r e  t h e y  d o ,  M r .  B u t l e r .  I t  h a s  b e e n

s o  l o n g ,  I  s u p p o s e  o v e r  t w e n t y  y e a r s .

Q. When w a s  M r .  W h e e l e r  e l e c t e d  t o  t h e  s c h o o l  b o a r d ,  d o

y o u r  r e c o r d s  r e f l e c t  t h a t ?

A. I  am s u r e  t h e y  d o ,  I  d o n ' t  kn o w  t h e  e x a c t  d a t e .  I

b e l i e v e  i t  h a s  b e e n  g i v e n  i n  M r .  W h e e l e r ' s  t e s t i m o n y .

Q. I t  w a s  g i v e n  i n  h i s  t e s t i m o n y ?

A. Y e s .

JOAN F. LINES 
U n i t e d  S t a t e s  C o u r t  R e p o r t e r  

F e d e r a l  B u i l d i n g

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w h i c h  i s  u n c l e a r  i n  t h e  . r e c o r d ,  t h a t  i s  t h e  t o t a l  

n u m b e r  o f  p u p i l s  w i t h i n  t h e  s y s t e m ,  a n d  I  t h i n k  i t  w i l l  

b e  u s e f u l  t o  kn o w  t h a t ,  f o r  ' 6 7 —6 8 .  We h a v e  a  p e r c e n t ­

a g e  b r e a k d o w n ,  b u t  we d o n ' t  h a v e  a  t o t a l  n u m b e r  i n  a l l  

t w e l v e  g r a d e s .

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4 2 5 .

MR. WALKER: T h a t  e s c a p e d  m e .

THE COURT: I  b e l i e v e  t h a t  i s  o n e  o f  t h e  f i r s t

t h i n g s  t e s t i f i e d  t o .

R i g h t .

MR. BUTLER: Y o u r  H o n o r ,  t h e  d e f e n s e  r e s t s .

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How many s t u d e n t s  a t t e n d e d  t h e  C e n t r a l  E l e m e n t a r y  

S c h o o l  f o r  t h e  y e a r  o f  1 9 6 7 - 6 8 ,  t h e  y e a r  i m m e d i a t e l y  

b e f o r e  y o u  w e n t  t h e r e  a s  s u p e r i n t e n d e n t  o f  t h e  W h e a t l e y  

S c h o o l ?

I  b e l i e v e  t h e  r e c o r d s  s h o w  a b o u t  n i n e t y ,  s i r .

I t  w a s  t e s t i f i e d  y e s t e r d a y  t h a t  t h e r e  w e r e  f i v e  t e a c h e r s  

a t  t h a t  s c h o o l ,  i s  t h a t  r i g h t ?

Y e s ,  s i r ,  t o  t h e  b e s t  o f  my k n o w l e d g e .

I t  w a s  a l s o  t e s t i f i e d  t o  y e s t e r d a y  t h a t  s i n c e  t h e  

1 9 6 7 - 6 8  s c h o o l  y e a r ,  a n d  f o r  t h e  ' 6 8 - 6 9  s c h o o l  y e a r ,

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t h r e e  new t e a c h e r s  h a d  b e e n  e m p l o y e d  i n  t h e  e l e m e n t a r y  

s c h o o l ,  i s  t h a t  c o r r e c t ?

A. Yes, sir. That is correct.

Q. It isn't clear to me - did you employ two of them, then,

or recommend the board for the employment of two of 

them?

A. I f  I  may d i g r e s s  f o r  a  m o m en t  p e r h a p s  I  c a n  e x p l a i n  i t .

T h e s e  t e a c h e r s  w e r e  h i r e d  b y  t h e  b o a r d  b e f o r e  I  cam e 

t h e r e ,  b e f o r e  J u l y  1 s t ,  f o r  t h e  ' 6 8 - 6 9  s c h o o l y e a r .

Q. A l l  t h r e e  o f  t h e  new  t e a c h e r s ?

A. With the exception of Mr. Robinson who took Mrs. Haley's

place in the fifth grade.

Q. Was Mrs. Haley one of the three new teachers employed

in the elementary school?

A. No, sir, she had taught previously.

Q. Was Mr. Robinson one of the three teachers referred to?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. Who were the other two?

A. My wife, Minola Kennedy, and Mrs. Hoyle Halbert.

Q. Was it part of the contract that Mrs. Kennedy become

one of the teachers when you agreed to come there for 

the school superintendent job?

A. It was not part of my contract. The board asked me if

my wife teaches and I said yes.

Q. I mean by that, was that part of the understanding that
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y o u  h a d ,  t h a t  b o t h  o f  y o u  w o u l d  come t h e r e  a s  t e a c h e r s  

i f  y o u  a c c e p t e d  t h e  s u p e r i n t e n d e n t ' s  j o b ?

^ • No,  s i r .  I  s a i d ,  " I t  c a n  b e  o r  c a n ' t  b e ,  e i t h e r  w a y  yoi.

w a n t  i t , " w a s  my s t a t e m e n t  t o  t h e  b o a r d  w h e n  t h e y  a s k e d  

me a b o u t  t h i s .  N a t u r a l l y  I  w o u l d  w a n t  my w i f e  t o  

t e a c h .

Q. W e re  y o u  a w a r e  o f  t h e  p r o m i s e  t h e  b o a r d  h a d  m a d e ,

w h i c h  h a s  b e e n  t e s t i f i e d  t o  h e r e ,  t o  t h e s e  f o u r  t e a c h e r s  

w h e n  t h e y  w e r e  g i v e n  a h e a r i n g  b y  t h e  b o a r d ,  I  b e l i e v e  

A p r i l  2 9 ,  1 9 6 8 ,  t h a t  a n y  v a c a n c i e s  i n  t h e  e l e m e n t a r y  

t e a c h i n g  p o s i t i o n s  t h a t  t h e y  w o u l d  b e  g i v e n  c o n s i d e r a ­

t i o n ?

A- I  b e l i e v e  I  h e a r d  t h e  s t a t e m e n t  o n e  n i g h t  w h e n  we w e r e

m e e t i n g  t h e r e .  I  h a p p e n e d  t o  b e  t h e r e  a t  t h a t  t i m e ,  

n o t  o f f i c i a l l y ,  I  w a s  j u s t  t h e r e  w h e n  t h e s e  f o u r  

t e a c h e r s  w e r e  p r e s e n t .

Q. You a t t e n d e d  t h a t  m e e t i n g ?

A. I  w a s  t h e r e ,  y e s .

Q. T h e n  y o u  h e a r d  t h e  ■—

A. I  b e l i e v e  Mr.  J a c k s o n  a s k e d  w o u l d  t h e y  g i v e  t h e m

c o n s i d e r a t i o n  a n d  t h e y  s a i d  t h e y  w o u l d  c o n s i d e r  i t .

Q. T h e n  y o u r  a n s w e r  i s ,  " y e s , "  y o u  d i d  k n o w  a b o u t  i t ?

A. I  k n e w  t h e y  s a i d  t h e y  w o u l d  c o n s i d e r  i t ,  b u t  t h e y

d i d n ' t  s a y  t h e y  w o u l d  h i r e  t h e m ,  t h e y  s a i d  t h e y  w o u l d  

c o n s i d e r  i t .

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Q. I didn't ask you if they would hire them, I asked you

if you were aware they promised them that they would 

give them consideration if there were any vacancies?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. And you knew about it?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. When Mr. Robinson was employed you recommended him,

didn't you?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. Did you give any consideration to any one of these four

at that time?

A. At this time, no, I did not, because they had not

applied for contract --

Q. That's not what I asked you, Mr. Kennedy. I asked you

if you had given them any consideration?

A. No.

Q. I am not very greatley impressed with this contention

that they did not have application for it. These people 

have been teaching there for some time. How long had 

Mr. Jackson been teaching there?

A. I believe eleven years.

Q. How long had Mrs. Jackson been teaching?

A. Eleven years.

Q. How long had Mrs. Meeks been teaching?

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t h e r e  a t  t h e  s a m e  t i m e .

Q. How l o n g  h a d  H r .  C o l e m a n  b e e n  t e a c h i n g  t h e r e ?

A .  I  d o  n o t  k n o w  a b o u t  Mr.  C o l e m a n .

Q. I  b e l i e v e  h e  t e s t i f i e d  y e s t e r d a y  t h a t  h e  c am e  i n  1 9 5 4

a n d  s t a y e d  f o r  a  c e r t a i n  p e r i o d  o f  t i m e  a n d  t h e n  w a s  

g o n e  f o r  t h r e e  y e a r s ,  c am e  b a c k  a n d  s t a y e d  f o r  a n o t h e r  

p e r i o d  o f  t i m e ,  a  t o t a l  o f  a b o u t  s e v e n  y e a r s .  I  

b e l i e v e  t h a t  w a s  t h e  t e s t i m o n y ,  o r  a p p r o x i m a t e l y  

t h e r e t o .

A. I  m i g h t  a d d ,  i f  I  m a y ,  I  d o  l o o k  t h r o u g h  t h e s e

t e a c h e r s '  t r a n s c r i p t s  i n  t h e  f i l e ,  a n d  m o s t  o f  t h e  

t r a n s c r i p t s  d i d  n o t  —  t h e  o n l y  o n e  o f  t h e m  t h a t  h a d  

a n  o f f i c i a l  c o l l e g e  s e a l  —  t h e r e  w a s  f a l s e  i n f o r m a t i o n  

s u c h  a s  b i r t h d a y s ,  a n d  t e a c h i n g  y e a r s  o f  e x p e r i e n c e  

l i s t e d  w i t h  r e s p e c t  t o  t h e  D e p a r t m e n t  o f  E d u c a t i o n .

I  d i d  n o t  g i v e  v e r y  much  c o n s i d e r a t i o n  f o r  t h o s e  r e a s o n s

Q. M r .  K e n n e d y ,  t h e y  h a d  w o r k e d  t h e r e  f o r  e l e v e n  y e a r s  - -

t h r e e  o f  t h e m  ■—  a n d  a n o t h e r  f o r  s e v e n  y e a r s ,  o r  

t h e r e a b o u t .  You a r e  a w a r e  o f  t h e  f a c t  t h a t  t h e  F o r r e s t  

C i t y  S c h o o l  D i s t r i c t ,  w h i c h  i s  a  m uch  l a r g e r  a n d  h i g h e r  

a c c r e d i t e d  s c h o o l ,  i s  e m p l o y i n g  o n e  o f  t h e m  now?

A. Y e s ,  s i r ,  I  kn o w  t h a t .

Q.  I  a s s u m e  y o u  a r e  a w a r e  o f  t h e  f a c t  t h a t  a n o t h e r  i s  b e i n c

e m p l o y e d  b y  a n  o f f i c i a l  g r o u p ,  t h e  A r k a n s a s  E n t e r p r i s e s  

f o r  t h e  B l i n d  a t  L i t t l e  R o c k ?

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A. Y e s ,  s i r .

Q.  And I  a s s u m e  y o u  a r e  a w a r e  o f  t h e  f a c t  t h a t  t h e  B r i n k l e

S c h o o l  D i s t r i c t  h a s  e m p l o y e d  t h e  o t h e r  t w o  i n  a  v e r y  

i m p o r t a n t  p o s i t i o n ,  w h i c h  i s  t r y i n g  t o  d o  s o m e t h i n g  f o r  

p e o p l e  who u n f o r t u n a t e l y  h a v e  n o t  h a d  a n  e d u c a t i o n ?

A. May I  f u r t h e r  a d d  t h a t  t h r e e  o f  t h e s e  t e a c h e r s  h a d

w o r k e d  f o r  me p r e v i o u s l y .

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r e c o m m e n d a t i o n ?

A. T h i s  i s  n o t  t o t a l l y  t r u e ,  s i r .

Q. T h e  r e c o r d  w i l l  s o  s t a t e .

A. I  h a v e  n o t  b e e n  a s k e d  o t h e r w i s e .

THE COURT: A n y t h i n g  e l s e ,  G e n t l e m e n ?

MR. WALKER: Y e s ,  Y o u r  H o n o r .

RECROSS EXAMINATION

BY MR. WALKER:

Q. I  n e e d  t o  h a v e  o n e  t h i n g  c l e a r e d  u p .  I  w i l l  s h o w  y o u

a l i s t  o f  t h e  t e a c h e r s  who w e r e  e m p l o y e d  f o r  t h e  1 9 6 7 -  

6 8  s c h o o l  y e a r ,  a n d  a l s o  a  l i s t  o f  t h e  t e a c h e r s  who  

w e r e  e m p l o y e d  f o r  t h e  ' 6 8 - 6 9  s c h o o l  y e a r .  I  h a v e  m ade  

c h e c k s  b y  e a c h  o f  t h e  p e r s o n s  who i s  n ew  t o  t h e  s y s t e m  

f o r  t h e  ' 6 8 - 6 9 .  I  w a n t  y o u  t o  c h e c k  o v e r  i t  b r i e f l y  

a n d  t e l l  me w h e t h e r  o r  n o t  my c h e c k s  a r e  r i g h t ,  a n d  

g i v e  me a t o t a l  n u m b e r  o f  t h e  p e o p l e  who w e r e  w o r k i n g  

i n  t h e  s c h o o l  s y s t e m  f o r  ’ 6 8 - 6 9  f o r  t h e  f i r s t  t i m e ?

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A .  Y o u r  m a r k s  a r e  i n c o r r e c t .

Q. State to me which ones are working here -- are the

names correct?

A. Yes.

Q. Is Sidney Kennedy working here for the first time?

A. Yes.

Q. M i n o l a  K e n n e d y ?

A. Yes.

O. John Stroud?

A. That's right.

Q. Edith Ann Pierce?

A. Yes.

Q. Connie Bellinger?

A. Yes.

Q. Mrs. Hoyle Halbert?

A. Yes.

Q. E v e l y n  L i n e b a c k ?

A. No. She has worked previously.

Q. B u t  s h e  d i d  n o t  w o r k  d u r i n g  t h e  ' 6 7 - 6 8  s c h o o l  y e a r ?

A. That's right.

Q. What about William Lee?

A. He did not.

Q. So y o u  h a v e  e i g h t  p e o p l e  who a r e  w o r k i n g  i n  t h e  s c h o o l

s y s t e m  f o r  t h e  ' 6 8 - 6 9  s c h o o l  y e a r  who d i d  n o t  w o r k  

d u r i n g  t h e  ' 6 7 - 6 8  s c h o o l  y e a r ,  i s  t h a t  c o r r e c t ?

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A. Y e s , s i r .

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(WHEREUPON, t h e  d o c u m e n t s  w e r e  
m a r k e d  P l a i n t i f f s '  E x h i b i t  N o .  15 f o r  
i d e n t i f i c a t i o n ,  r e c e i v e d  i n  e v i d e n c e  
a n d  m a d e  a p a r t  o f  t h e  r e c o r d  h e r e o f .

THE COURT: B u t  o n l y  t h r e e  o f  t h e m  h a v e  b e e n

e m p l o y e d  i n  t h e  e l e m e n t a r y  s c h o o l ?

MR. WALKER: I  w i l l  c l e a r  t h a t  nip, Y o u r  H o n o r ,

I  t h i n k  t h e r e  i s  som e  q u e s t i o n  a b o u t  i t .

THE COURT: I  d o n ' t  t h i n k  s o ,  t h e  r e c o r d  i s

v e r y  c l e a r .

Q.  (MR. WALKER, c o n t i n u i n g ) : W h e re  d o e s  M i n o l a  K e n n e d y

t e a c h ?

A .  S e c o n d  a n d  t h i r d  g r a d e ,  c o m b i n a t i o n .

Q. J o h n  S t r o u d ?

A. T e a c h e s  b i o l o g y ,  h i g h  s c h o o l .

Q. E d i t h  P i e r c e ?

A .  F r e n c h  a n d  E n g l i s h ,  h i g h  s c h o o l .

Q. C o n n i e  B e l l i n g e r ?

A. H i g h  s c h o o l .

Q. M r s .  H a b l e r t ?

A. F i r s t  g r a d e .

Q. M r s .  L i n e b a c k ?

A. H i g h  s c h o o l ,  E n g l i s h  a n d  som e m u s i c .

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Q. S h e  t e a c h e s  e l e m e n t a r y  m u s i c ?

A. Y e s .

Q- M o s t l y  e l e m e n t a r y  m u s i c ?

A .  No,  s i r .

Q. M o re  p u p i l s  t h e r e  a c c o r d i n g  —

A. M ore  p u p i l s ,  y e s .

Q. W i l l i a m  L e e ?

A. H i g h  S c h o o l .

Q. T h r e e  o f  t h e m .  Do a n y  o f  t h o s e  t e a c h e r s  t e a c h  s o c i a l

s c i e n c e ,  s o c i a l  s t u d i e s ?

A. M r .  S t r o u d ,  g e o g r a p h y ,  w h i c h  w o u l d  b e  c o n s i d e r e d

s o c i a l  s c i e n c e ,  o n e  c l a s s  o f  g e o g r a p h y .

Q. W h a t  e l s e  d o e s  h e  t e a c h ?

A. S c i e n c e ,  b i o l o g y ,  m a t h e m a t i c s .

THE COURT: You may s t a n d  a s i d e .  A n y t h i n g

e l s e ,  G e n t l e m e n ?

MR. BUTLER: No,  s i r .  D e f e n s e  r e s t s ,  Y o u r

H o n o r .

MR. WALKER: Y o u r  H o n o r ,  I  w o u l d  l i k e  t o  h a v e

a b o u t  tw o  m i n u t e s ,  i f  I  c a n ,  t o  c o n s u l t  w i t h  t h e  o t h e r  

t h r e e  p l a i n t i f f s .  ( A f t e r  c o n s u l t a t i o n  P l a i n t i f f s  c a l l  

M r s .  J a c k s o n . )

WHEREUPON,

MRS. M ITTIE JACKSON, b e i n g  r e c a l l e d  on  b e h a l f  o f  t h e  

P l a i n t i f f s ,  t e s t i f i e d  a s  f o l l o w s :

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DIRECT EXAMINATION

BY MR. WALKER:

Q. Mrs. Jackson, I want to ask you one question. Did

you ever make any debts or obligations while you were 

employed by the Wheatley School District, which you 

authorized to be charged to the Wheatley School System?

A. No.

Q. Have all purchases made by you for use at the Wheatley

Central School been paid?

A. Yes.

Q. Were they paid prior to the beginning of September,

1 9 6 8 ?

A. I believe so, because it was paid ■—  one bill was paid

shortly after I got my first pay check, that was 

around the first or second of September.

Q. That was your first pay check from the Forrest City

School District?

A. That's right. That was to the School products Company.

MR. WALKER: Thank you.

MR. BUTLER: No questions.

THE COURT: Stand aside.

MR. WALKER: I think anything else would be

more or less repetitive, and the plaintiffs rest.

THE COURT: This closes the record in the case.

Do you have anything else, Gentlemen, either of you,

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that you wish to present at this time?

MR. WALKER: No, Your Honor; I would be willing,

if the Court felt it helpful, to make a brief summary, 

but I do not necessarily desire to do so unless you 

believe it to be helpful.

THE COURT: Do either of you wish to file any

briefs in the matter with reference to the law and the 

applicable facts that have been submitted here?

MR. WALKER: Your Honor, I think we've been

before the court on several other matters, and any 

brief on the law has already been presented by us to 

His Honor and also to the Court of Appeals. I do not 

care to do so.

MR. BUTLER: Your Honor, I would like to have

an opportunity to submit a short memorandum brief to 

the Court.

THE COURT: How much time would you like to havs

say ten days?

MR. BUTLER: Yes, Your Honor.

MR. WALKER: Your Honor, I would like to take

five days to file a reply to whatever brief that 

Mr. Butler prepares.

THE COURT: Gentlemen, you may then proceed.

I think in view of the Court's schedule, in all candor, 

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g e t  t o  i t  i m m e d i a t e l y .

MR. BUTLER: A b u s y  l a w y e r  l i k e s  a l l  t h e  t i m e

h e  c a n  g e t .

THE COURT: To d o  j u s t i c e  t o  b o t h  o f  y o u ,  y o u

c a n  h a v e  t w e n t y  d a y s ; a n d  y o u  c a n  h a v e  t e n  d a y s  t o  

r e p l y ,  M r .  W a l k e r .

MR. WALKER: T h a n k  y o u .  Y o u r  H o n o r .

THE COURT: T h e  C o u r t  w i l l  t h e n  p r o c e e d  t o

c o n s i d e r  i t  a n d  a r r i v e  a t  a  d e c i s i o n  j u s t  a s  s o o n  

t h e r e a f t e r  a s  h i s  s c h e d u l e  w i l l  p e r m i t .

G e n t l e m e n ,  w i t h  r e f e r e n c e  t o  t h e  o t h e r  m a t t e r ,  

6 8  C - 2 6 ,  i t  i s  o b v i o u s  t h a t  we a r e  u n a b l e  t o  g o  i n t o  

t h a t  t o d a y .  T h i s  i s  F r i d a y  a n d  we h a v e  a n o t h e r  

s c h e d u l e  o f  c a s e s  t h a t  s t a r t  M o n d a y  m o r n i n g .  We 

c e r t a i n l y  c o u l d  n o t  m a ke  a v e r y  g o o d  s t a r t  o n  t h i s  

m a t t e r  t o d a y .  I  c a n  s e e  n o  a l t e r n a t i v e  o t h e r  t h a n  t o  

s c h e d u l e  i t  f o r  some o t h e r  d a y .

I  m i g h t  s a y ,  h o w e v e r ,  i n  v i e w  o f  t h e  t e s t i m o n y  

t h a t  we h a v e  r e c e i v e d  i n  t h i s  c a s e ,  t h a t  i t  i s  m o s t  

u n f o r t u n a t e  t h a t  t h i s  d i s t r i c t  i s  n o t  i n  a  p o s i t i o n  

w h e r e  y o u  c a n  g e t  t o g e t h e r  a n d  r e s o l v e  some o f  t h e s e  

m a t t e r s  y o u r s e l v e s .  T h e r e  a r e  s o m e  v e r y  i m p o r t a n t  

q u e s t i o n s  i n  t h i s  o t h e r  c a s e  w h i c h  l a r g e l y ,  a s  t h e  C o u r  

c o n s t r u e s  t h e  p l e a d i n g s  i n  t h e  o t h e r  c a s e ,  g o  t o  t h e

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a d m i n i s t r a t i o n  o f  t h e  a f f a i r s  o f  t h e  s c h o o l s .  I  t h i n k  

i t  i s  f a i r l y  w e l l  k n o w n  t h a t  t h i s  c o u r t  h a s  l o n g  s i n c e  

d e c i d e d  t h a t  h e  i s  n o t  g o i n g  t o  t a k e  i t  u p o n  h i m s e l f  

t o  b e  t h e  a d m i n i s t r a t o r  o f  a l l  t h e  s c h o o l s  i n  t h e  

a r e a s  w h e r e  I  s i t  a s  a  f e d e r a l  j u d g e .  I  d o  n o t  f e e l  

t h a t  t h a t  i s  t h e  j u d g e ' s  r e s p o n s i b i l i t y .

I  k n o w  t h a t  t h e r e  a r e  t i m e s  w h e n  t h e s e  i s s u e s  

p r e s e n t  s u c h  q u e s t i o n s  t h a t  c a n n o t  b e  s e t t l e d  w i t h i n  

t h e  a f f a i r s  o f  t h e  s c h o o l ,  u n f o r t u n a t e l y .  B u t  i t  

a p p e a r s  t o  me t h a t  i n  v i e w  o f  t h e  c o n t e n t i o n s  o f  t h e  

p l e a d i n g s ,  a n d  t h e  r e s p o n s e s  t h a t  h a v e  b e e n  g i v e n  t o  

t h e m ,  t h a t  s e r i o u s  e f f o r t  c o u l d  a n d  s h o u l d  b e  made  

t o  r e s o l v e  t h e s e  q u e s t i o n s  s o  t h a t  t h i s  s c h o o l  w i l l  n o t  

c o n t i n u a l l y  b e  f a c e d  w i t h  s u c h  d i f f e r e n c e s  o f  o p i n i o n  

i n  m a t t e r s  t h a t  w i l l  e x c i t e  t h e  f e e l i n g s  w i t h i n  t h e  

s c h o o l  d i s t r i c t  i t s e l f .

I t  a p p e a r s  t o  me f r o m  t h e  t e s t i m o n y  h e r e  t h a t  

a  l o t  o f  t h i n g s  c o u l d  b e  d o n e  t o  r e s o l v e  som e o f  t h e s e  

q u e s t i o n s  a n d  i s s u e s .  I  am s o m e w h a t  p e r s u a d e d  t h a t  a 

g o o d  m any  p e o p l e  who a r e  i n v o l v e d  i n  t h i s  t h i n g  h a v e  

a v e r y  d e e p  a n d  s y m p a t h e t i c  a n d  a b i d i n g  f e e l i n g  f o r  

e v e r y o n e  c o n n e c t e d  w i t h  t h i s  s c h o o l  s y s t e m ,  a n d  f o r  

t h e  p u r p o s e s  o f  t h e  s c h o o l  a n d  t h e  r e s p o n s i b i l i t i e s  

t h e y  h a v e  t o  i t .

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b e f o r e  we h a v e  a n  o p p o r t u n i t y  f o r  r e s c h e d u l i n g  t h i s  

o t h e r  m a t t e r  t o  b e  d e t e r m i n e d ,  t h a t  s e r i o u s  a n d  c a r e f u l  

c o n s i d e r a t i o n  b e  g i v e n  b y  t h e  m e m b e r s  o f  t h e  b o a r d  a n d  

s c h o o l  a d m i n i s t r a t o r s ,  a n d  t h o s e  who a r e  a p p a r e n t l y  

g r i e v e d  b y  som e  a d m i n i s t r a t i v e  a c t ,  t o  s e e  i f  t h e r e  

c a n n o t  b e  a n  a c c o m m o d a t i o n  am ong  y o u  a n d  g e t  t h e  m a t t e r  

s e t t l e d  s o  t h i s  s c h o o l  c a n  o p e r a t e .

As I  h a v e  s a i d  b e f o r e  o n  m any  o c c a s i o n s ,  

s c h o o l s  a r e  p r o v i d e d  f o r  t h e  p u r p o s e  o f  e d u c a t i n g  t h e  

c h i l d r e n ;  b u t  we f i n d  o u r s e l v e s  i n  s o  many  c a s e s  w h e r e  

we o l d e r  p e o p l e ,  f a t h e r  a n d  m o t h e r s ,  g e t  i n t o  t h e s e  

d i s p u t e s  a n d  i s s u e s  a r i s e  t h a t  t h e  c h i l d r e n  h a v e  

n o t h i n g  t o  d o  w i t h  w h a t s o e v e r .  We a r e  t h e  o n e s  

r e s p o n s i b l e  f o r  i t ,  a n d  i f  we w o u l d  w a k e  u p  t o  t h e  f a c t  

t h a t  t h e  r e s p o n s i b i l i t y  o f  w h a t  w e ' r e  d o i n g  i s  n o t  t o  

s a t i s f y  o u r  own e g o s  o r  p e r s o n a l  d e s i r e s ,  b u t  t o  h e l p  

d o  s o m e t h i n g  f o r  t h e  f u t u r e  o f  t h e  c h i l d r e n ,  we w o u l d  

b e  a  l o t  b e t t e r  o f f  i n  t h i s  c o u n t r y .

I t  w o u l d  s e e m  t o  me t h a t  t h e  q u e s t i o n s  s u c h  

a s  a r e  i n v o l v e d  i n  t h e s e  o t h e r  m a t t e r s ,  t h a t  a  g o o d  

m any  o f  t h e m  a r e  t h o s e  q u e s t i o n s .  I  w o u l d  s u g g e s t  

t h a t  s e r i o u s  c o n s i d e r a t i o n  b e  g i v e n  t o  i t .  B u t  i f  

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l y  h a v e  b e e n  l o n g e r  o n  t h i s  o n e  t h a n  we o r i g i n a l l y  

t h o u g h t .

O f f i c i a l  C o u r t  R e p o r t e r  f o r  t h e  U n i t e d  S t a t e s  D i s t r i c t  C o u r t s  

i n  t h e  E a s t e r n  a n d  W e s t e r n  D i s t r i c t s  o f  A r k a n s a s ;  t h a t  u n d e r  

my s u p e r v i s i o n  t h e  w i t h i n  n a m e d  a n d  n u m b e r e d  c a u s e  w as  

r e p o r t e d  b y  V i v i a n  L .  T a y l o r  a t  H e l e n a ,  A r k a n s a s ,  on M a r c h  13 

a n d  1 4 ,  1 9 6 9 ;  t h a t  t h e  f o r e g o i n g  343  p a g e s  o f  t y p e w r i t t e n  

m a t t e r ,  i n c l u d i n g  t h i s  p a g e ,  c o n s t i t u t e  a  t r u e  a n d  c o r r e c t  

t r a n s c r i p t i o n  o f  s u c h  p r o c e e d i n g s ;  t h e  s a m e  b e i n g  t r a n s c r i b e d  

f r o m  t h e  r e c o r d s  t a k e n  a t  t h e  t i m e .

W i t h  t h a t ,  t h e  c o u r t  w i l l  b e  i n  r e c e s s .

C E R T I F I C A T E

I ,  J o a n  F .  L i n e s ,  d o  h e r e b y  c e r t i f y  t h a t  1 am a n

T h i s  N o v e m b e r  1 5 ,  1 9 6 9 .

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Judgment

(Filed July 1, 1969)
This case was tried to the court on Thursday, March 13 

and Friday, March 14, 1969, the plaintiffs appearing in 
person and by their attorney, John W. Walker, and the 
defendants appearing with their attorney, E. J. Butler. 
After the conclusion of the testimony, counsel for the par­
ties requested an opportunity to file briefs.

From ore tenus testimony, exhibits and statements of 
counsel, including briefs, the Court has filed a letter with 
the clerk of the court incorporating the opinion of the 
Court, together with finding of facts and conclusions of 
law. Since the case was not filed until about the beginning 
of the school year 1968-69 and a hearing scheduled in March 
of 1969, it was agreed by the parties that the question of 
contracts for the school year involved was moot. As an 
alternative, counsel for the plaintiffs requested damages 
for loss of reputation in the teaching profession and in the 
community, together with reasonable attorney’s fees.

From the entire record the Court concludes that the evi­
dence is not sufficient to sustain the plaintiffs’ contention of 
damages for loss of reputation in the teaching profession 
and in the community. The Court is of the further opinion 
that, in view of the conclusions reached on the merits of 
the case, the plaintiffs are not entitled to attorney’s fees.
It is , t h e r e fo r e , considered , ordered and  adjudged  that 

the claims of the plaintiffs be and the same are hereby de­
nied and the complaint is hereby dismissed.

Dated: June 30, 1969.
/ s /  Oren Harris 

Oren Harris
United States District Judge



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Notice o f Appeal

Notice is hereby given that the above-named plaintiffs 
hereby appeal to the United States Court of Appeals for 
the Eighth Circuit from the order entered herein by the 
United States .District Court for the Eastern District of 
Arkansas, Eastern Division, on July 1, 1969, by the Hon­
orable Oren Harris, District Judge.

Dated: July 28, 1969.

Walker, R otenrkrky, K aplan & Lavey 
1820 West 13th Street 
Little Rock, Arkansas 72202
J ack Greenberg
Michael Meltsnbr
Norman J. Chachkin
Conrad H arper
Suite 2030
10 Columbus Circle
New York, New York 10019
Attorneys for Plaintiffs



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Bond for Costs on Appeal

The plaintiffs have filed in this court a Notice of Appeal. 
Pursuant to Rule 7 of the Federal Rules of Appellate Pro­
cedure, the plaintiff and Carl Brooks, surety, are held and 
firmly bound for the payment by the plaintiff of all costs 
and disbursements, up to the sum of $250.00, should it be 
determined that the appeal is without merit.

If the plaintiff pays all costs and disbursements incurred 
by reason of this appeal should it be determined that the 
appeal is without merit, this obligation shall be void; other­
wise it shall remain in full force and effect.

Executed this 28th day of July, 1969.

L. R. J ackson, et al.
/ s /  J ohn W. W alker 

John W. Walker

Walker, R otenberry, K aplan & Lavey 
1820 West 13th Street 
Little Rock, Arkansas 72202
Attorneys for Plaintiffs 

By / s /  Carl Brooks 
Carl Brooks 

Surety



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