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SUPREME COURT OE THE UNITED STATES

O ctobeb  T e e m , 1954

No. 120

JEREM IAH REEVES, JR., PETITIONER,

vs,

STATE OF ALABAM A

O N  W R IT  OF CERTIORARI TO T H E  SU P R E M E  COURT OF T H E  STATE
OF A L A B A M A

PETITION FOE CERTIORARI FILED MARCH 12, 1954

CERTIORARI GRANTED JUNE 7, 1954



SUPREME COURT OE THE UNITED STATES

O ctober T erm , 1954

No. 120

JEREMIAH REEVES, JR , PETITIONER,

vs.

STATE OF ALABAMA

ON W R IT  OE CERTIORARI TO T H E  SU P R E M E  COURT OP T H E  STATE
OP A LAB A M A

I N D E X
Original Print

Record from the Circuit Court of Montgomery County,
Alabama ................................................................................. 1

Caption .................................. (omitted in printing). . 1
Indictment ......................................................................... 1 j
Arraignment and plea of not guilty..............................  2 1
Judgment on pleadings, Eugene W. Carter, J ............ 3 2
Appointment of James J. Carter as Special Judge, etc 5 5
Judgment on pleadings, James J. Carter, J ................ 6 6
Jury and verdict ..............................................................  7 7
Sentence ............................................................................. 8 7
Motion for new trial......................................................... 9 8
Continuances ..........................(omitted in printing). . 11
Refused charges requested by the defendant (omitted

in printing) ..................................................................  13
Transcript of proceedings before Judge Eugene W.

Carter ............................................................................. 14 )o
Appearances ............................................................. 14 10
Defendant’s Exhibit A—Motion to quash indict­

ment ..............   22 16
Defendant’s Exhibit B— Affidavit of Jeremiah

Reeves, Jr................................................................  23 17
Defendant’s Exhibit C— Motion to permit public

to remain ............................................................... 25 19
Defendant’s Exhibit C -l—Motion to permit rela­

tives of defendant to remain..............................  25 19
Defendant’s Exhibit D—Motion to exclude

public while prosecutrix testifies........................  25 20
Defendant’s Exhibit E'—Motion to quash venire. . 26 20



11 INDEX

Record from the Circuit Court o f Montgomery County,
Alabama— Continued Original Print

Reporter’s and Judge’s certificates (omitted in
printing) ............................................... ....................  28

Transcript of proceedings before Judge James J.
Carter ............................................................................. 29 21

Appearances ............................................................. 29 21
Colloquy ..................................................................... 29 21 .
State’s Exhibit 1— Motion of State of Alabama 

to strike the motion of defendant to quash the
indictment.................... (omitted in printing) . . 31

Defendant’s Exhibit 1— Motion to permit public
to remain (Copy) . . . .  (omitted in printing) . 34

Defendant’s Exhibit 2— Motion to quash the
venire ..................................................................... 38 24

State’s Exhibit 2—Demurrer to motion to quash
the venire................................................................. 36 25

Hearing on defendant’s motion to quash venire. . .  38 26
Evidence on behalf of the defendant on motion

to quash the venire................................................  40 27
Testimony of Eugene W. Carter....................  40 28

John R. Matthews....................  49 36
Defendant rests ......................................................... 51 37
State’s evidence on motion of defendant to quash

the indictment ......................................................  51 37
Testimony of Walter B. Jones......................  51 37

J. E. Pierce..............................  53 40
D. Caffy ..................................  55 41

Testimony closed on defendant’s motion to quash
the venire................................................................. 57 43

Ruling on motion....................................................... 57 43
Colloquy ..................................................................... 59 44
Defendant’s request to propound questions to

prospective jurors.....................................................  61 46
Selection o f ju ry .............................................................  62 47
Defendant’s Exhibit 1— Motion for continuance. . 67 50
Defendant’s Exhibit 2—Defendant’s motion to

quash venire (Copy) . . (omitted in printing) . . 69
Defendant’s Exhibit 3— Affidavit of Jeremiah

Reeves, Jr. ( Copy ) . . . .  (omitted in printing).. 70
Defendant’s Exhibit 4— Motion for mistrial

(omitted in printing)............................................... 72
Defendant’s Exhibit 5— Motion to permit public

to remain (C op y )........(omitted in printing) . . 73
Defendant’s Exhibit 6— Motion to exclude public 

while prosecutrix testifies (Copy) (omitted in
printing) ............................................................... 73

Defendant’s Exhibit 7—Motion to permit rela­
tives of defendant to remain (Copy) (omitted 
in printing) ...............................................................  73



Record from the Circuit Court of Montgomery County,
Alabama— Continued

Transcript of proceedings before Judge James J.

INDEX 111

Carter— Continued
Defendant’s Exhibit 8—Motion to set aside entire

Original

74

Print

51
Defendant’s Exhibit 9— Motion for continuance 

(omitted in printing).......................................... 75
Defendant’s Exhibit 10— Motion for instanter 

subpoena...................... (omitted in printing).. 75
Evidence on behalf of the State.............................. 76 52

Testimony of Mabel Ann Crowder.............. 76 52
Lois Struehko.......................... 96 68
W. R. Clark.............................. 99 7.1
George Harold K ojac............ 109 80
C. N. Johnson.......................... 114 84
Virgil R. Zarling.................... 115 85
C. J. Rehling............................ 119 89
Clyde Jones.............................. 126 95
William M. Stanley................ 128 97
S. E. Sellers............................ 131 99

State’s Exhibit 1— Photograph of defendant
(omitted in printing)..........................................

State’s Exhibit 2—Pocketbook and contents 
(omitted in printing)............................................ 133

Evidence on behalf of defendant............................ 136 100
Testimony of George Harold Kojac (re­

called) .................................. 136 1.00
Carnella Reeves ...................... 137 101
J. T. Thomas............................ 147 110
Jerry Reeves............................ 154 115
Mary Jordan............................ 156 117
Frances H all............................ 159 120
Elizabeth A lford ...................... 162 123
Fannie Mitchell...................... 164 125
J. D. Cook (omitted in print­

ing) ...................................... 172
Elizabeth Alford (recalled) . . 174 132
Harvey Butts.......................... 175 133
Jeremiah Reeves, Jr................ 177 135
Charlie Williams.................... 196 151
John Harris (omitted in print­

ing) ...................................... 199
James Dolman (omitted in 

printing) ............................ 200
Earline Thomas (omitted in 

printing) ............................ 201
Willie Thomas (omitted in 

printing) ............................ 204
Sephia Lovelace (omitted in 

printing) ............................ 204



IV INDEX

Record from the Circuit Court of Montgomery County, 
Alabama— Continued

Transcript of proceedings before Judge James J.
Carter— Continued

Evidence on behalf of defendant— Continued
Testimony of— Continued Original

Berta Pollard ........................... 206
Rebecca Goins..........................  209
Lou Ellen Thomas (omitted

in printing)..........................  210
J. Lewis Miller........................  211
Earl D. James..........................  213

State’s rebutting evidence........................................  215
Testimony of Robert D. Murphy..................  215

Philip S. Bazar........................  217
Colloquy ..................................................................... 230
Charge of the co u r t ................................................... 233
Verdict .......................................................................  244
Sentence............................ (omitted in printing). . 246
Judgment overruling motion for new trial

(omitted in printing)..........  248
Reporter’s and Judge’s certificates (omitted in

printing) ............................................................... 250
Appellant’s statement of indigence (omitted in

printing) ............................................................... 252
Order of court directing transcript of testimony

(omitted in printing)........................................... 252
Clerk’s certificate.................... (omitted in printing).. 254

Proceedings in the Supreme Court of the State of Alabama 255
Order passing cause to Call of 8th Division........................  255
Argument and submission.............. (omitted in printing) . . 256
Opinion, Merrill, J ....................................................................  257
Judgment ...................................................................................  267
Motion for rehearing................................................................. 268
Certificate of recall (recalling certificate of affirmance and 

copy of opinion pending consideration of motion for
rehearing) .............................................................................  269

Order overruling appellant’s application for rehearing etc. 270
Petition for stay of execution pending petition for certi­

orari ................................................................. ..................  271
Order granting petition for stay of execution etc................ 272
Clerk’s certificate............................. (omitted in printing).. 274
Order extending time to file petition for writ of certiorari 275
Designation of record.................... (omitted in printing) . . 277
Cross-designation o f record............(omitted in printing) . . 283
Order granting certiorari......................................................... 288

Print
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JEREMIAH REEVES, JR., VS. STATE OF ALABAMA 1

1 [Caption omitted]

In the Circuit Court of Montgomery County, State of Alabama

No. 5121

T he State of Alabama, plaintiff 

vs.

Jeremiah R eeves, Junior, defendant

I ndictment—Filed November 14,1952

T he State of Alabama,
Montgomery County:

Circuit Court of Montgomery County November Term A.D. 1952 
The Grand Jury of said County charge, that before the finding 

of this indictment,
Jeremiah R eeves, Junior, whose name is to the Grand Jury other­

wise unknown, forcibly ravished Mrs. Ann Crowder, a woman, 
against the peace and dignity of the State of Alabama.

W illiam F. T hetford,
Solicitor Fifteenth Judicial

Circuit of Alabama.

No Prosecutor—A T rue B ill— Homer Spiva,Foreman of Grand Jury
Presented in open Court by the Foreman of the Grand Jury in 

the presence of 14 other members of the Grand Jury, this 14th 
day of November A. D. 1952.

John R. M atthews,
Clerk of the Circuit Court of

Montgomery County.
[File endorsement omitted.]

2 In the Circuit Court of Montgomery County 

Arraignment and Plea of N ot Guilty—November 15th, 1952

Present the H onorable Eugene W. Carter, Judge; Presiding

[Title omitted]

This day came the State by its Solicitor, and came also the de­
fendant in his own proper person and by attorney; and the defend­
ant’s motion to continue the arraignment until a later day being 
argued by counsel and understood by the Court, and being consid-



2 Jeremiah reeves, jr ., vs. state of Alabama

ered by the Court, it is considered and ordered by the Court, and 
it is the judgment of the Court, that the said motion to continue 
the arraignment of the defendant be and the same is hereby denied.

Thereupon the said defendant being duly arraigned upon the 
indictment pleaded thereto not guilty, and not guilty by reason of 
insanity; and on motion of the Solicitor for the State, it is consid­
ered and ordered by the Court that the 26th day of November, 1952, 
be and the same is hereby appointed as the day for the trial of 
this cause.

It is further ordered by the Court that the Sheriff of Montgomery 
County summon eighty persons including those heretofore drawn 
on the regular venire for the week in which this cause is set for 
trial; the Court proceeds to draw from the jury box in open Court 
and in the presence of the defendant the number of names, to-wit: 
thirty persons with the regular jurors heretofore drawn for the week 
in which this cause is set for trial, to-wit: fifty, making the eighty 
jurors named in this order.

It is further considered by the Court that a list of the names of 
all jurors drawn for the week in which this cause is set for trial 
and those that are here specially drawn together with a copy of the 
indictment be forthwith served upon the defendant by the Sheriff 
of this County.

3 In the Circuit Court of Montgomery County

Judgment on Pleadings by Judge Eugene W. Carter, Presiding 
November 26th, 1952

[Title omitted]

This day came the State by William F. Thetford, its Solicitor, 
and came also the defendant in his own proper person and by 
attorney; and before the defendant or State announced ready for 
trial the Court of its own motion ruled that the public at large be 
excluded from the Court room and from being present at the trial 
of this cause, and that only members of the bar, witnesses, jurors 
and Court officials would be allowed to remain in Court during 
the trial of this cause.

Thereupon the defendant objected to said ruling and moved the 
Court to let the public remain in the Court room, and upon consid­
eration of said motion the Court is of opinion that said motion 
should be overuled; it is, therefore, considered, ordered and adjudged 
by the Court that the motion of the defendant to allow the public 
to remain in the Court room during the trial of this cause be and 
the same is hereby overruled, and the defendant duly excepted to 
said ruling of the Court.



JEREMIAH REEVES, JR., VS. STATE OF ALABAMA

Thereupon, the defendant made a motion to allow newspaper 
reporters to remain in the Court room during said trial, and upon 
consideration of said motion it is considered and ordered by the 
Court, and it is the judgment of the Court that the motion to allow 
newspaper reporters to remain in the Court room during said 
trial be and the same is hereby overruled and the defendant duly 
excepted to this ruling of the Court.

Thereupon the defendant moves the Court to allow said defend­
ant to have a special stenographer to take down for him the pro­
ceedings of said cause, along with the official Court reporter, and 
upon consideration of said motion the Court is of opinion that the 
same should be denied. It is, therefore, considered, ordered and 
adjudged by the Court that the said motion of the defendant to 
allow a special stenographer to take down for the defendant the 
proceedings of said cause be and the same is hereby denied, and 
the defendant duly excepted to this ruling of the Court.

Thereupon the defendant moves the Court to set aside the entire 
proceedings because neither side had announced ready for trial, 

and upon consideration of said motion the Court is of opinion 
4 that said motion should be denied. It is, therefore, considered, 

ordered and adjudged by the Court that the motion to set 
aside the entire proceedings because neither side had announced 
ready for trial be and the same is hereby overruled, and the defend­
ant excepts thereto.

Thereupon the defendant moves the Court to quash the indict­
ment in said cause on the ground that there were no Negroes on the 
Grand Jury that returned the indictment in this cause; and upon 
consideration of said motion the Court is of opinion that the same 
should be denied. It is, therefore, considered, ordered and adjudged 
by the Court that the said motion to quash the indictment on the 
ground that there were no Negroes on the Grand Jury that returned 
said indictment be and the same is hereby over-ruled, and the 
defendant excepts thereto.

Thereupon, the defendant made a motion to permit relatives of 
the defendant to remain in the Court room throughout the trial, and 
upon consideration of said motion the Court is of opinion that the 
same should be granted, and it is ordered and adjudged by the 
Court that the relatives of defendant were permitted to remain 
in the Court room during the trial of said cause.

Thereupon, the defendant files a motion to exclude the public 
from the Court room only when the prosecutrix testifies, and upon 
consideration of said motion the Court is of opinion that the same 
should be denied. It is, therefore, considered, ordered and adjudged 
by the Court that said motion be and the same is hereby denied, 
and the defendant excepts thereto.

Thereupon, the defendant files a motion to quash the jury panel



4 JEREM IAH BEEVES, JR ., VS. STATE OP ALABAMA

on the ground that Negroes have been systematically excluded from 
the jury rolls of Montgomery County, and further that said motion 
be heard in the absence of the jurors summoned for said trial; and 
further, that all members of the Montgomery County Board of 
Jury Supervisors, including the Presiding Judge, who is a member 
of said Board, be summoned as witnesses to testify in support of 
said motion; and upon consideration of said motion, the Court is 
of opinion that said motion, and such evidence as may be presented 
in support thereof, be heard out of the presence of the jurors. 
Thereupon the trial Judge announced that he would recuse himself 
on the ground that he has become a witness in said cause.

The defendant’s attorney and the Solicitor were called to the bar 
in the presence of the defendant, and they stated that the State of 
Alabama and the defendant had agreed that the Honorable James 
J. Carter be appointed as Special Judge in the trial of said cause, 

in accordance with Section 124, Title 13, of the 1940 Code of
5 Alabama. The said James J. Carter was called to the bench 

and was informed of the agreement that he serve as Special
Judge in the case, and asked if he would serve. He stated in addi­
tion to agreement of counsel he would prefer to have an appointment 
by the Governor of Alabama to make it doubly sure that no ob­
jection be made to his appointment as Special Judge. The defend­
ant’s attorney, in the presence of the defendant, stated that at no 
time would he make any objection to the appointment of James J. 
Carter as Special Judge.

Honorable Eugene W. Carter, presiding, thereupon recused himself 
from sitting at said trial; and the case was then continued for trial 
until November 28th, 1952.



In the Circuit Court of Montgomery County

Appointment of James J. Carter A s Special Judge

By Governor of the State of A labama— November 26, 1952

In the Name and By the A uthority of

T he State of A labama 
( Alabama )
( Great Seal )

I, Gordon P ersons

G overnor of the Said State 

To: James J. Carter
Send Greetings:

Reposing full trust in your Prudence, Integrity and Ability, by 
virtue of the Power and Authority in me vested as Governor of 
the State of Alabama hereby commission you a

Special Judge— 15th Judicial Circuit of Alabama, to Hear the 
Jeremiah Reeves Case Beginning Friday, November 28, 1952 
in the Absence of Honorable Eugene W. Carter W ho Recused 
Himself on Account of Disqualification By Law.

To have and to hold the said office, together with all the Rights, 
Powers and Emoluments to the same belonging or in anywise law­
fully appertaining, during the term prescribed by the Constitution 
and Laws of the State of Alabama, if you shall so long demean 
yourself well.

In T estimony W hereof, I have hereunto set my hand and caused 
the Great Seal of State to be affixed at the Capitol, in the City of 
Montgomery, this 26th day of November in the year of our Lord 
One Thousand Nine Hundred and Fifty-two.

Gordon Persons,
Governor.

( Alabama )
( Great Seal)
By the Governor:
M rs. Agnes Baggett,

Secretary of State.

JEBEMIAH REEVES, JR., VS. STATE OF ALABAMA 5



6 In the Circuit Court of Montgomery County

Judgment on Pleadings by Special Judge James J. Carter, 
Presiding— November 28t,h, 1952

[Title omitted]
This day came the State by William F. Thetford, its Solicitor, and 

came also the defendant in his own proper person and by attorney; 
and the defendant’s motion to grant a continuance of this cause 
because of change of Judges after another Judge had ruled on 
numerous motions being duly considered by the Court, it is con­
sidered and ordered by the Court that the motion be and the same 
is hereby denied, and the defendant excepted to this ruling of the 
Court.

And the defendant files his motion to exclude the public from the 
Court room only while the prosecutrix testifies, and said motion 
being considered by the Court, the Court is of opinion that the 
same should be denied; it is, therefore, considered and adjudged by 
the Court that the said motion to exclude the public only while the 
prosecutrix testifies be and the same is hereby denied, and the 
defendant excepted to this ruling of the Court.

And the defendant files his motion to quash the venire on the 
ground that Negroes have been systematically excluded from the 
Jury Rolls of Montgomery County, and the State files its demurrer 
to said motion to quash the venire; and said motion being argued 
by counsel and understood by the Court, and being considered by 
the Court, it is considered and ordered by the Court, and it is the 
judgment of the Court that said demurrer to the motion to quash 
the venire be and the same is hereby over-ruled; and issue being 
joined between the State and the defendant on said motion to quash 
the venire on the alleged ground that Negroes had been syste­
matically excluded from the jury roll of Montgomery County; and 
the Court, after hearing all the evidence introduced on said motion, 
finds from the undisputed testimony that said motion is not sus­
tained and finds affirmatively that no Negroes qualified for jury 
duty were excluded from the jury roll of Montgomery County 
solely because of their race or color, and it is, therefore, considered 
and ordered by the Court, and it is the judgment of the Court that 
said motion to quash the venire be and the same is hereby denied, 

and the defendant excepts thereto.
7 Thereupon, the defendant moves the Court to allow the

public to remain in the Court room during the trial of said 
cause, and upon consideration of said motion the Court is of opinion 
that relatives of the accused, members of the Press and news service, 
and a stenographer to assist said defendant, if he so desires, be 
permitted to remain in the Court room during the trial of said cause, 
and that all others except members of the bar, witnesses, jurors and

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JEREMIAH REEVES, JR., VS. STATE OF ALABAMA 7

Court officials be and they are hereby excluded from the Court room 
from the time of the beginning of the taking of testimony.

In the Circuit Court of Montgomery County

Jury and V erdict— November 29th, 1952

[Title omitted]

The the 29th day of November, 1952, came William F. Thetford, 
Solicitor who prosecutes for the State of Alabama, and came also 
the defendant in his own proper, person and by attorney; and it 
appears to the Court that on a former day of this Court the said 
defendant was duly arraigned and charged upon the indictment and 
for his plea thereto said he was not guilty, and not guilty by reason 
of insanity; and it further appearing to the Court that the said 
defendant has been duly served with a copy of the indictment to­
gether with a list of the names of all of the jurors with x regular 
and special in strict accordance with the former order of this Court 
heretofore made and entered in this cause; and the trial of this cause 
having been set for November 26th, 1952, and continued until No­
vember 28th, 1952, the said defendant in open Court on November 
28th, 1952 announcing himself ready for trial on his said plea of 
not guilty and not guilty by reason of insanity and the trial of this 
cause having begun on said November 28th, 1952, and continuing 
until this day; thereupon came a jury of good and lawful men, 
to-wit: Carroll J. Griggs and eleven others, who having been duly 
drawn, selected, empaneled and sworn according to law upon their 
oaths do say: “We the jury find the defendant guilty as charged 
and fix his punishment at death.”

It is, therefore, considered and adjudged by the Court that the 
said defendant is guilty as charged in the indictment, and the said 
defendant was remanded to jail to await the sentence of the law.

8 In Circuit Court of Montgomery County

Sentence of the Court-—-December 3rd, 1952 

[Title omitted]

And now upon this the 3rd day of December, 1952, the defendant 
being now in open Court, and it appearing to the Court that the 
said defendant was duly convicted of said offense on a former day 
of this term; and the said defendant being asked by the Court if 
he had anything to say why the sentence of the law should not now 
be pronounced upon him, says nothing.

It is, therefore, considered and ordered by the Court, and it is



8 JEREMIAH REEVES, JR., VS. STATE OF ALABAMA

the judgment and sentence of the Court that the Sheriff of Mont­
gomery County, Alabama, shall remove the said defendant Jeremiah 
R eeves, Junior, forthwith to Kilby, at Montgomery, Alabama, where 
he, the said Jeremiah R eeves, Junior, shall remain in custody 
until the 23rd day of January, 1953, and on said day in strict 
accordance with the law, the Warden of Kilby Prison at Mont­
gomery, Alabama, shall put the said Jeremiah R eeves, Junior, to 
death by causing to pass through the body of said Jeremiah R eeves, 
Junior, a current of electricity of sufficient intensity to cause the 
death of said Jeremiah R eeves, Junior, and that the application 
and continuance of such current of electricity to pass through the 
body of said Jeremiah R eeves, Junior, until he, the said Jeremiah 
R eeves, Junior, is dead.

And it is further ordered by the Court that the Clerk of this 
Court shall issue the necessary warrant for the execution of the said 
Jeremiah R eeves, Junior, as required by law.

And questions of law arising in this case for the decision of the 
Supreme Court of Alabama, and now on motion of the defendant, 
it is considered, ordered and adjudged by the Court that the sentence 
in this cause lie and the same is hereby suspended, pending the 
defendant’s appeal to the said Supreme Court of Alabama.

9 In Circuit Court of Montgomery County

M otion for N ew T rial— Filed December 20, 1952 
[Title omitted]

Comes the defendant in the above styled cause and moves the 
Court to set aside the verdict of the jury and the sentence of the 
Court and to grant unto said defendant a new trial in said cause 
upon the following separate and several grounds, to-wit:

1. The Court erred in the ruling it made on various motions made 
by the defendant to which rulings the defendant duly excepted.

2. The Court erred in over ruling various objections made by 
defendant to the evidence to which rulings the defendant excepted.

3. The Court erred in excluding the public from the trial.
4. The Court erred in excluding the public from the Court room 

before the trial started.
5. The Court erred in not permitting the defendant’s counsel to 

have the use of a private stenographer to assist him in the trial.
6. The Court erred in making the defendant’s counsel’s private 

stenographer leave the Court room.
7. The Court erred in over ruling the defendant’s motion to 

permit counsel’s private stenographer to stay in the Court room 
to which ruling the defendant duly excepted.

8. The Verdict of the jury is contrary to the law and the evidence 
in the case.



JEREMIAH REEVES, JR., VS. STATE OF ALABAMA 9

9. The verdict of the jury is contrary to the law in the case.
10. The verdict of the jury is contrary to the evidence in the case.
11. The verdict of the jury is contrary to the great weight of the 

evidence.
12. The verdict of the jury is not supported by the great weight of 

the evidence.
13. The verdict of the jury is contrary to the preponderance of 

the evidence.
14. The verdict of the jury is not supported by the preponderance 

of the evidence.
15. The verdict of the jury is not supported by the great pre­

ponderance of the evidence.
16. The verdict of the jury is contrary to the great preponderance 

of the evidence.
10 17. The Court erred in stepping down in the trial and

permitting the Honorable James Carter to serve as judge.
18. The Court erred in excluding the press from the Court room 

at the preliminary proceedings.
19. The Court erred in permitting introduction of certain photo­

graphs over the objection and exception of the defendant.
20. The Court erred in refusing to grant the defendant’s motion 

for a continuance upon the ground that material witnesses had been 
subpoenaed, served and were not present, to which ruling the de­
fendant duly excepted.

21. The Court erred in permitting Dr. Rheling to testify about 
certain scars and scratches on the defendant’s arm over the objection 
and exception of the defendant.

22. The Court erred in not permitting the defendant’s counsel to 
examine the contents of the jury box.

23. The Court erred on charges it made to the jury.
24. The Court erred in commenting to the jury that the alleged 

confession made by the defendant was a voluntary one as a matter 
of law, to which ruling the defendant duly excepted.

25. The Court erred in refusing the grant the defendant’s motion 
for a mis-trial because of the presence of the policeman, Jack Page, 
on the jury to which ruling the defendant duly excepted.

26. The Court erred in refusing to permit the defendant to prove 
the grounds defendant gave in requesting a motion for a new trial, 
upon discovering on the jury a policeman wrho had an independent 
knowledge of the facts in the case.

27. The Court erred in permitting the State to ask many questions 
over the proper objections and exception of the defendant.

28. The Court erred in failing to grant various motions made by 
the defendant to exclude various answers to illegal questions made 
by the State to which ruling the defendant duly excepted.

29. The Court erred in permitting the prosecutrix to testify about 
a conversation had by her with the defendant while being held by



the police incommunicado to which ruling the defendant duly 
excepted.

30. The Court erred in refusing to permit the defendant to show 
the entire treatment he received from the police and the hostile and 
threatening surroundings he was in at the time of the allged conver­

sation between the defendant and the prosecutrix.
11-13 31. The Court erred in refusing to grant a continuance of

the arraignment.
John N. M cGee, Jr., 

Attorney for Defendant.
[File endorsement omitted.]

14 In the Circuit Court of M ontgomery County, Alabama

[Title omitted]

Before: Hon. Eugene W. Carter, Circuit Judge

Transcript of Proceedings— November 26, 1952

9:08 a, m., the defendant entered the Court Room.
9:30 o ’clock A. M.
Present:

The Court.
W illiam F. T hetford, Esq., Circuit Solicitor, and R obert B. 

Stewart, Esq., Assistant Circuit Solicitor, for the State of Alabama. 
John M. M cGee, Esq., for defendant.
Jeremiah R eeves, Junior, defendant.
The Court: If you are not a witness in the Jeremiah Reeves case, 

and not an official of the Court, we are about to start the case, and 
I am going to clear the Court Room. You are going to have to go 
out.

Mr. M cGee: May I make a motion, please?
The Court: I want the Court Room cleared.
Mr. M cGee: I want to make a motion that the public remain in 

Court. And I have certain other preliminary motions to make.
I woud like to move the Court to permit the public to remain until 

I make all the preliminary motions, which are based on the following 
grounds:

That the failure to do so violates the constitutional rights of the 
defendant as guaranteed by the Fourteenth Amendment to the Con­
stitution of the United States.

That is my motion.
15 The Court: Overrule the motion.

Mr. M cGee: I except to the Court’s ruling. And another 
exception to the Court overruling my motion before it was made.

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JEKEMIAH BEEVES, JR., VS. STATE OF ALABAMA 11

The Court: That applies to the newspaper reporters too, to have 
the Court Room cleared, except for Jurors and Officials of the 
Court.

Mr. M cGee: I would like to move the Court to permit the press 
to remain during the trial on the following grounds:

1. Any exclusion of the press from the defendant’s trial is in 
violation of the defendant’s constitutional rights as guaranteed under 
the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States 
of America.

2. That the exclusion of the press from tfte defendant’s trial by 
the Court is a denial of the defendant’s rights under the Constitu­
tion of the State of Alabama.

The Court: Motion overruled.
Mr. M cGee: I would like to have an exception entered on the 

record.
The Court: All right.

(Exception noted for the defendant by direction of the Court.)
Mr. M cGee: I have a special court reporter, Mr. Ira Fred Watson, 

who was to be here today, to assist me in this trial. He is not here.
The Court: What says the solicitor?
The Solicitor: He is not one of the regular court reporters, who 

are sworn officials of this Court.
Mr. M cGee: Mr. Watson has appeared in this Court, and other 

Courts, as assistant to the official court reporters.
The Court: He has no connection with our court reporters.
Mr. M cGee: I am asking that he come in as assistant to me.
The Court: We don’t recognize anybody but jurors, lawyers and 

court officials.
Mr. M cGee: I move that the Court permit the counsel for defend­

ant to have as his assistant a regular stenographic reporter, one who 
has acted, and now acts on occasions, as the official reporter, 

16 as the assistant to defense counsel in the trial of this cause, 
upon the following grounds:

1. The denial of this right of assistance deprives the defendant, 
violates the defendant’s constitutional rights as guaranteed under 
the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States.

The Court: On objection of the Solicitor, the Court having de­
clared, this being a trial for rape, the Court Room would be cleared. 
The Solicitor objected, and the Court sustains the objection.

Mr. M cGee: I would like tô  have an exception entered on the 
record.

The Court: All right.
(Exception noted for the defendant by direction of the Court.)



12 JEREMIAH REEVES, JR., VS. STATE OF ALABAMA

Mr. M cGee: I would like to move that the entire procedure that 
has already gone on in this case be set aside upon the following 
grounds:

1. The entire action by the Court in this case was the start of 
the case before either side, and especially the defendant, had an­
nounced ready.

The Court: Overruled.
Mr. M cGee: I would like an exception entered to Your Honor’s 

ruling.
The Court: Y ou may have an exception.
(Exception noted for the defendant by direction of the Court.)

The Solicitor: Will you call the State’s witnesses?
(The list of State’s witnesses was called by the Clerk.)

The Solicitor: The State announces ready.
The Court: Call the defendant’s witnesses.
(The list of Defendant’s witnesses was called by the Clerk.)
Mr. M cGee: The defendant isn’t ready. There are some missing 

witnesses.
The Solicitor: Are they marked executed?
The Clerk: Yes, sir. John Galston not here. Arnos Harvey not 

here. J. D. Cooks not here.
17 (Side bar conference between the Court and counsel, not

reported by the stenographer.)
The Court: Do you announce ready in the Crowder case, No. 

5121?
Mr. M cGee: There is a motion to quash the indictment on the 

grounds set forth in the motion.
The Solicitor: Would you like to hear the State on that, or hear 

him first?
The Court: Yes. Have you any other motions? Which one of 

these is filed first? You have two motions here, first stating to 
quash it because of the defendant’s custody, and so forth.

Mr. M cGee: I have four grounds.
The Court: I thought you had four motions. I have four affi­

davits.
Mr. M cGee: Yes, sir. This is the affidavit.
The Assistant Solicitor: On the motion filed by the defendant, 

the State demurs as to that motion, and further moves to strike the 
motion, and requests permission to file the demurrer to strike in 
writing. The authorities are uniform in this State that any motion 
to quash the indictment comes too late after the defendant has 
entered a plea of not guilty. And there is a leading case on that,



Whitehead vs. The State. All of these motions and the grounds 
therefor, come too late, since this defendant has been arraigned 
and entered a plea of not guilty.

The Court: I would like to hear from you, Mr. McGhee.
Mr. M cGhee: The defendant objects to that motion made to 

strike the motion. There is no such thing as a demurrer to a mo­
tion, or motion to strike a motion. If he can rely on a motion, I 
can make a motion to strike, and we might go on for the next ten 
years. There is no such thing as a demurrer to a motion. If I have 
proved it at this time it would constitute a question of law' by which 
Your Honor would grant the motion.

The Court : The Court will rule it is the law' when it comes after 
the plea is made it comes too late. The motion to quash, I am. going 
to overrule it unless you show' me some cases that I am not familiar 
with. Any motion to quash an indictment after a plea is entered, 
as there was in this case, a plea of not guilty, not guilty by reason 
of insanity, comes too late.

Mr. M cGee: At the time of arraignment the defendant 
18 made written motion to, one, to continue the arraignment to 

permit him to have time to file protest to the indictment or, 
two, to permit him to file written pleas after the indictment, which 
motions was, of course, overruled and the question presented by 
the first motion was whether or not the State could force the defend­
ant to go ahead and plead and say, “ how do you plead right now7?’ , 
and plead in writing, when the defendant hadn’t been served and so 
certified.

The Court: Y ou pleaded orally. W7e don’t require a written plea 
in this Court.

Mr. M cGee: Other than written pleas, the defendant should have 
known what he was going to be charged with in order to prepare 
and investigate the case so he could attack it even though it was 
orally.

Whereupon, the Solicitor called George Mosely, Jr., who, upon 
having been duly sworn, was examined and testified as follows:

By The Solicitor:

Q. What is your name and occupation?
A. George Mosely, Jr., Chief Deputy Sheriff for Montgomery 

County, Alabama.
Q. Did you serve the defendant, Jeremiah Reeves, Junior, with a 

copy of the Indictment and Venire List in Case No. 5121?
A. I did. I personally served him on November 17th with a 

copy of the Indictment and Venire List in Case No. 5121. I was 
accompanied by Deputy Shivers when I served him.

JEREMIAH REEVES, JR., VS. STATE OP ALABAMA 13



The Court: The Court holds the defendant had been given a 
copy of the indictment after arraignment, and given a copy of the 
jury venire to be tried by.

The Court holds the motion to quash the indictment comes too 
late, after the plea of not guilty, and not guilty by reason of insanity.

Mr. M cGee: If I can prove these things as alleged to the satis­
faction of the Court and law, then the entire proceedings against 
this defendant are null and void, and it is never too late to attack 
such a proceeding.

The Court: You and the Supreme Court differ. The Supreme 
Court has held right straight out differently.

Mr. M cGee: I would like to file the motion and affidavit in sup­
port of it.

19 (Defendant’s motion to quash the indictment marked “ De­
fendant’s Exhibit A, 11/26/1952, WHL.” )

( Affidavit of defendant market “ Defendant’s Exhibit B, 
11/26/1952, WHL.” )

Mr. M cGee : The motion has been filed, and I would like the 
Court to permit the defendant to try to prove the motion, and 
grant the defendant a hearing on it.

The Court: The Court has to overrule your motion because the 
Supreme Court has held if it comes at this stage it comes too late.

Mr. M cGee: I would like to have an exception entered on the 
record.

(Exception noted for the defendant by direction of the Court.)

Mr. M cGee: At this time I have a motion here to request the 
Court to permit the public to remain during the trial of this case 
upon the following grounds:

“ 1. Exclusion of the public is a violation of the defendant’s con­
stitutional rights as guaranteed by the Fourteenth Amendment 
under the United States Constitution.”

The Court: It doesn’t apply to rape cases or kindred offenses, 
the purpose being not to embarrass the females who are in the 
case. Overrule the motion. Under the Constitution of Alabama 
and our laws, the Court would be as qualified as any to judge it, 
of course, and he has a legal right so to do.

Mr. M cGee : I understand the ruling is based on the State law 
and is not based on the constitutional provision?

The Court: Yes.
Mr. M cGee : I want to file this motion: “ Comes the defendant in 

the above styled cause and moves the Court to permit the relatives 
of the defendant to remain in the Court Room throughout his trial 
upon the following grounds:

1. Failure to permit this violates the defendant’s constitutional

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JEREMIAH REEVES, JR., VS. STATE OF ALABAMA 15

rights as guaranteed by the Constitution of the State of Alabama 
and violates the defendant’s constitutional rights as guaranteed by 
the Fourteenth Amendment of the Constitution of the United 
States.”

The Court: I think the relatives of the defendant should stay in 
there whether they are witnesses for the defendant, or not.

20 The Solicitor: We agree with that.
Mr. M cGee: Your Honor realizes the State really is the

public.
The Court: It is left in the discretion of the judge.
(Motion of defendant to permit the public to remain during the 

trial marked “ Defendant’s Exhibit C, 11/26/1952, WHL.” )
(Defendant’s motion to permit relatives of the defendant to re­

main in the Court Room marked “ Defendant’s Exhibit C-l, 
11/26/1952, WHL.” )

Mr. M cGee: The defendant moves the Court to exclude the pub­
lic and so inform the public that they are excluded only while the 
prosecutrix testifies. We say we should have a public trial, almost 
throughout the trial of the case, except when the prosecutrix is tes­
tifying, so the prosecutrix would not be embarrassed, and this is 
the motion I have here I want to file.

The Court: I cannot grant the motion. I have already ordered 
the clearing of the Court Room. I would have to deny a public 
trial.

Mr. M cGee: I wmuld like to have an exception on the record.
(Exception noted for the defendant by direction of the Court.)
(Motion to exclude public only while prosecutrix testifies, 

marked “ Defendant’s Exhibit D, 11/26/1952, WHL.” )
Mr. M cGee: I think this is my last one. This is a motion to 

quash the venire in the case this is rather prejudicial argument. I 
would like to have this heard in the absence of the panel.

The Court: Let me see the motion first.
Mr. M cGee: I am going to add a ground to that here.
The Court: If this motion is granted the Court, the presiding 

judge, would have to disqualify himself and have to continue this 
case until Friday, and have a Special Judge appointed to try the 
case, because I am a member of the Jury Commission. And this 
motion the Court would have to grant because it is too late to attack 
the venire. And being a member of the Jury Commission, the Jury 
Commission being attacked, and being a witness, it would be neces­

sary for me to excuse myself and have to have a Special Judge
21 appointed, and the case would have to be continued until 

Friday morning at 9:30.
Mr. M cGee: I would like to have some little time relative to the 

motion.



16 JEREMIAH REEVES, JR., VS. STATE OF ALABAMA

The Court: The Court has granted your motion to continue the 
case until Friday at nine o’clock in the morning, and have to have a 
Special Judge to try the case. I will have to excuse myself as being 
a member of the Jury Commission. The Jury Commission is being 
attacked, and I couldn’t be a witness and take any part in the trial.

The case is set for 9:30 o ’clock Friday morning, and we will have 
another judge to try it.

22 (Defendant’s motion to quash the venire marked “ Defend­
ant’s Exhibit E, 11/26/1952, WHL.” )

D efendant’s Exhibit  A

In the Circuit Court of Montgomery County Criminal Term 
Case No. 5121 

T he State

Jeremiah R eeves, Jr.

Comes the Defendant in the above styled cause and moves the 
court to quash the indictment upon the following grounds:

1. The Defendant, after nearly three (3) days of continual ques­
tioning and being subject to mental torture by State officers, con­
fessed to said charges. During this time the Defendant was held 
incommunicado and said confession was obtained by violation of the 
Defendant’s constitutional rights as guaranteed by the 14th amend­
ment to the United States Constitution and said confession was used 
before the Grand Jury in securing this indictment.

2. Negroes are systematically excluded from the Grand Jury of 
Montgomery County and were excluded from the Grand Jury ren­
dering this indictment in violation of the Defendant’s said rights 
under said 14th amendment.

3. There were no negroes serving on said Grand Jury that rendered 
this indictment and this was a violation of the Defendant’s con­
stitutional rights under said amendment of the United States 
Constitution.

4. Said Grand Jury was called back specially to hear only cases 
against Defendant and that discrimination violated Defendant’s 
said rights under said 14th amendment.

(S.) John N. M cGee, Jr.,
Attorney for Defendant.

As part of said motion Defendant requests that subpoenas be 
issued to Circuit Judge Walter B. Jones, Sheriff G. A. Mosley, Circuit 
Clerk John Mathews, Probate Judge W. W. Hill, and Circuit Judge



JEREMIAH REEVES, JR., VS. STATE OF ALABAMA 17

Eugene Carter, all as jury commissioners to produce the jury 
23 box of Montgomery County or in the alternative to request 

the appearance before the court at the hearing of this motion 
of all Montgomery County citizens in the jury box so their race 
and color might be proportionately determined.

(S.) John N. M cGee, Jr.,
Attorney for Defendant.

D efendant’s Exhibit B

In the Circuit Court of Montgomery County Criminal Term

State of Alabama,
Montgomery County:

Case No. —

Affidavit

My name is Jeremiah Reeves, Jr. I am seventeen (17) years old. 
I quit school in the 8th grade. I am a member of the negro race. 
About 2:10 in the afternoon on November 10th, 1952 I was arrested 
by Mr. H. P. Armstrong and Mr. Talley, Deputy Sheriffs of Mont­
gomery County. They carried me to the county jail in Montgomery 
county. They accused me of raping and attempting to rape several 
white women and they told me I was going to the electric chair 
for it. They kept me in the county jail for about five minutes and 
then carried me to the Kilby State Penitentiary a few miles from 
Montgomery. I told them I wanted to either telephone my Mamma 
or see her. They did not let me do this. When I got to Kilby I was 
questioned by so many people I don’t remember all of them. Some of 
them cursed me and threatened me. Different police officers and one 
reporter named Joe Azbell, who I never will forget, questioned me 
at different time until Monday night they finally let me sleep. About 
the time I went to sleep Mr. 0. R. Deeds, Depute Warden of Kilby 
Penitentiary, woke me up and took me to the room with the elec­
tric chair in it and questioned me some more. I finally told him 
that I had tried to rob Mrs. Frances Prescott. I only did this after 
Mr. Deeds kept on telling me to go ahead and say you did it. That’s 
the only thing that will keep you out of that chair. Go on and 
plead guilty to it and you won’t go to the chair. That Monday I 
was questioned constantly from 2:10 P. M. to 7:30 P. M. Early

Tuesday morning the officers started questioning me again. 
24 They forced me to strip naked and some man named Dr.

Rheling, State Toxicologist, came out and took several pic­
tures of me while I was that way. I was then questioned all day 
Tuesday until first dark. Warden Deeds and all the other officers 
kept telling me to plead guilty to all those rapes. They kept saying 
that was the only way I would keep out of the chair. The Warden



18 JEREMIAH REEVES, JR., VS. STATE OP ALABAMA

and some others said they would help me if I said I did these things. 
They told me it would save me from the chair if I pleaded guilty. 
Wednesday morning they showed me some papers and said the best 
thing for me to do was to go on and say I did them. The Solicitor 
came out and listened to some of the questions. After about two 
hours more of questioning on Wednesday morning I finally said I 
did these things. I did not do these things. I only said I did them 
because the police told me it would save me from the chair if I 
admitted doing these things and pleaded guilty. While I was out 
at Kilby the prison doctor took some fluid out of my spine and also 
some blood out of my left arm over my protest. They would not let 
me contact anyone or see anybody until my Mamma was finally let 
in to see me about five o’clock in the afternoon on Wednesday. On 
Thursday I was taken down to the Montgomery police headquarters 
where the police ordered me to strip naked again and they took 
eight or nine pictures of me. I was carried back to Kilby then. 
On Saturday I was taken to the Montgomery County Court and at 
9:00 A. M. I was ordered to plead to three (3) indictments, two (2) 
for rape and one (1) for robbery. After court they left me in the 
county jail. These indictments were not given to me or served on 
me until Monday, November 17th, 1952. I have signed some kind 
of paper I think but I do not know what was in it.

Signed the 26 day of November, 1952.
(S.) Jeremiah R eeves, Jr.

State of Alabama,
Montgomery County:

Before me, L. H. Walden, Notary Public in and for said State 
and County, personally appeared Jeremiah Reeves, Jr. who upon 
being identified by me upon oath doth depose and say and swear 
that the above statement is true and correct and was voluntarily 
given by him and signed by him on the day this bears date.

(S.) L. H. W alden,
Notary Public in and for Said County and State.



JEREMIAH REEVES, JR., VS. STATE OP ALABAMA 19

25 D efendant’s Exhibit C

In the Circuit Court of Montgomery County Criminal Term 

Case No. —

T he State 

vs.

Jeremiah R eeves, Jr.

Comes the Defendant in the above styled cause and moves the 
court to permit the public to remain during the trial of his case 
upon the following grounds:

1. Exclusion of the public is a violation of the Defendant’s con­
stitutional rights as guaranteed by the 14th amendment under the 
United States Constitution.

(S.) John N. M cGee, Jr.,
Attorney for Defendant.

D efendant’s Exhibit C -l

In the Circuit Court of Montgomery County Criminal Term 

Case No. —

T he State 

vs.

Jeremiah R eeves, Jr.

Comes the Defendant in the above styled cause and moves the 
court to permit the relatives of the Defendant to remain in the court 
room through out his trial upon the following grounds:

1. Failure to permit this violates the Defendant’s constitutional 
rights as guaranteed by the Constitution of the State of Alabama 
and violates the Defendant’s constitutional rights as guaranteed by 
the 14th amendment of the Constitution of the United States.

(S.) John N. M cGee, Jr.,
Attorney for Defendant.



D efendant’s Exhibit  D

In the Circuit Court of Montgomery County Criminal Term 

Case No. —

T he State

20  JEHEMIAH REEVES, JR., VS. STATE OF ALABAMA

vs.

Jeremiah Reeves, Jr.

26 Comes the Defendant in the above styled cause and moves 
the court to exclude the public and so inform the public that 

they are excluded only while the prosecutrixs testifies upon the 
following grounds:

1. Permanent exclusion of the public from all phases of the 
Defendant’s trial is a violation of the Defendant’s constitutional 
rights as guaranteed by the 14th amendment to the Constitution 
of the United States.

(S.) John N. M cGee, Jr.,
Attorney for Defendant.

D efendant’s Exhibit  E

In the Circuit Court of Montgomery County Criminal Term

Case No. —

T he State

vs.

Jeremiah R eeves, Jr.

Comes the Defendant in the above styled cause and moves the 
court to quash the venire in said case upon the following grounds:

1. The Defendant’s constitutional rights as guaranteed by the 
14th amendment to the Constitution of the United States has been 
violated in that there are no members of the negro race on said 
venire and said Defendant is a member of the negro race.

2. Negroes, because of their race and/or color, have been sys­
tematically excluded from the jury in violation of the 14th amend­
ment under the Constitution of the United States.

3. Negroes, because of their race, are systematically excluded from 
Montgomery County juries in violation of the 14th amendment to 
the Constitution of the United States.

(S.) John N. M cGee, Jr.,
Attorney for Defendant.



JEREMIAH REEVES, JR., VS. STATE OF ALABAMA 21

27 10:10 o’clock A. M.
Adjourned until Friday, November 28th, 1952, at 9.30 

O’clock A. M.

28 Reporter’s and Judge’s Certificates to foregoing transcript 
omitted in printing.

29 In the Circuit Court of Montgomery County, Alabama

[Title omitted]

Before Hon. James J. Carter, Specially Presiding

T ranscript of Proceedings—November 28, 1952 
9:12 O’clock A. M., the Defendant Entered the Court Room 

9:30 o’clock A. M.
Present :

The Court.

W illiam F. T hetford, E sq., Circuit Solicitor, and P̂ obert B. 
Stewart, E sq., Assistant Circuit Solicitor, for the State of Alabama. 

John N. M cGee, E sq., for defendant.
Jeremiah R eeves, Junior, defendant.

Colloquy

The Court: I want the record to show in this case in order to 
get the preliminary matters before the trial of this case, that Judge 
Eugene W. Carter recused himself from the bench; that I am sit­
ting as presiding judge of this trial by appointment of the Governor 
of the State of Alabama, and by virtue of the Commission issued 
pursuant to that appointment.

And that further, I am sitting with the express agreement and 
consent of the Solicitor representing the State of Alabama and the 
attorney representing the defendant in this cause. Is there any 
objection to that appearing of record ?

The Solicitor : No.
Mr. M cGee: No.
The Court : The record will so state.
The Solicitor: We would also like, if it is agreeable, to present 

this agreement. We would like to have it in the 
30-31 record.

The Court: If it is agreeable, all right.
Mr. M cGee: As far as agreement is concerned, as far as having 

you as special judge, according to that I have no objection, but as



to having a change of judges after this case was commenced, I do 
have an objection. That is something which I couldn’t agree.

The Solicitor: You had no objeetion.
Mr. M cGee: If the Court is going to excuse and recuse itself and 

having a special judge called in I think that such action will be 
over my protest. But having done that, I am willing to continue 
with Judge James J. Carter only.

The Court: Under those circumstances the case will proceed.
32 Mr. M cGee: I have a motion here that the public be per­

mitted to remain during the trial of this cause.
The Court: That motion will be acted upon in due course when 

the trial of this cause begins and after the Jury is empanelled and 
sworn. You may resubmit that motion at that time if you care to 
do so. I might state at this time the public will be excluded from 
this trial under the provision of the discretion vested in me by the 
Constitution of the State of Alabama and the Statute. The only 
exception to that, representatives of the press will be allowed to be 
present during the trial of this case, and also that the family and 
relatives of the accused will be allowed to be present during the 
trial of this case, as are the officers and officials of this Court, and 
the members of the Bar.

Mr. M cGee: I have here another motion I would like to file at 
this time. This is a motion to grant a new trial on the ground they 
cannot change judges after the other judge has passed on numerous 
motions.

The Court: Let the record show upon Judge Eugene W. Carter 
announcing he had recused himself the Solicitor and attorney for 
the defendant suggested that I serve as special judge to try this 
case, and that pursuant to that agreement I agreed to serve in the 
trial of this case if acceptable, and by appointment of the Governor 
of the State of Alabama. And this is the appointment, and I present 
to you the Commission issued for that appointment. The motion 
is overruled.

Mr. M cGee: I would like an exception on the record.

(Exception noted for the defendant by direction of the
33 Court.)

Mr. M cGee: May the record show the defendant was not 
consulted and no agreement reached with him personally?

The Court: Let the record show what Mr. McGee said.
Mr. M cGee: This is a motion for a continuance. My ground for 

the motion for a continuance is for the reason:
1. He has not received a copy of the venire with the indictment 

in the case to be tried. He had received three copies of the indict­
ment, and the venire list was attached to that, which said robbery. 
We contend such action is under the law—the law should be strictly

22 JEREMIAH REEVES, JR., VS. STATE OF ALABAMA



complied with, and the law means in each case a copy of the venire 
in each case should be served on him. It should be served on 
him at least one day prior. I think in striking the jury that is 
misleading, because the defendant don’t know which case he was 
going to be tried on. And he received one copy of the venire, and 
that was marked robbery.

The Solicitor: He has been served with a copy of the venire, and 
I think that, is all the statute contemplates and requires.

The Court: I agree with that. The motion is overruled.
Mr. M cGee: Will you grant me an exception?
(Exception noted for the defendant by direction of the Court.)

The Court: Any other motions?
Mr. M cGee: Not at this time, Your Honor.
The Solicitor: We also have proof that he was served with three 

copies of the venire. We are willing to put evidence on to that effect.
The Court: If you want to do so, the Court will hear evidence 

on it.
Mr. M cGee: That motion was overruled without any evidence 

from the defendant. The defendant made the motion and he is 
entitled to present all his evidence. Without hearing any evidence 
Your Honor overruled the motion and gave your ruling on the 
motion.

The Court: Let the ruling of the Court stand, and show that the 
attorney for the defendant objects to the introduction by the State 
of evidence showing three copies of the venire was served on the 

defendant. Let us proceed.
34-35 Mr. M cGee: I would like to have the record show there 

is a statement by the solicitor he can show that.
The Solicitor: An offer by the State.
The Court: Let it so show. Any further motions to be heard 

by the Court at this time? If not, we are ready to proceed with the 
qualifying of the jury.

Mr. M cGee: Except for the motion set for hearing this morning.
The Court: I asked you if you have any motions to present. 

Have you agreed to present that motion at this time? It has not 
been presented to me.

Mr. M cGee: It was presented to Judge Carter, and he recessed 
the hearing.

The Court: All right, let us have the hearing. Let the record 
show the motion is filed in open Court.

(Marked “ Defendant’s Exhibit 2, 11/28/1952, WHL.” )

The Court: I am ready to hear you on the motion.
The Solicitor: The State would like to file this demurrer to the 

motion to quash the venire.

JEREMIAH REEVES, JR., VS. STATE OF ALABAMA 23



(Marked “ State’s Exhibit 2, 11/28/1952, WHL.” )
Mr. M cGee: I would like to have the hearing in the absence of 

the panel.
The Court: As to the demurrer too?
Mr. M cGee: Yes, sir.
The Court: All right. The hearing on the motion and demurrer 

will be held in Chambers. We will go back to Judge Jones’ Cham­
bers and hear this motion.

D efendant’s E xhibit 1—Omitted. Printed side page 25 ante 

36 D efendant’s Exhibit  2.

In the Circuit Court of Montgomery County Criminal Term

Case No.—

T he State 

vs.

Jeremiah R eeves, Jr.

Comes the Defendant in the above styled cause and moves the 
court to quash the venire in said case upon the following grounds:

1. The Defendant’s constitutional rights as guaranteed by the 
14th amendment to the Constitution of the United States has been 
violated in that there are no members of the negro race on said 
venire and said Defendant is a member of the negro race.

2. Negroes, because of their race and/or color, have been system­
atically excluded from the jury in violation of the 14th amendment 
under the Constitution of the United States.

3. Negroes, because of their race, are systematically excluded 
from Montgomery County juries in violation of the 14th amendment 
to the Constitution of the United States.

(S.) John N. M cGee, Jr.,
Attorney for Defendant.

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JEREMIAH REEVES, JR,, VS. STATE OF ALABAMA 25

State’s Exhibit 2.

In the Circuit Court of Montgomery County Criminal Term, 
November, 1952

Case No.—

T he State 

vs.

Jeremiah R eeves, Jr.

Now comes the State of Alabama by and through William F. 
Thetford, Circuit Solicitor of the 15th Judicial Circuit of Alabama, 
and demurs to the motion to quash the venire heretofore filed in 
this cause by the Defendant, and, as grounds for said demurrer, 
separately and severally assigns the following:

1. The Defendant does not allege that there has been any 
37 systematic exclusion of members of the Negro race from 

the jury panels of Montgomery County by reason of their 
race, creed or color in violation of the Constitution of the United 
States.

2. The defendant is not entitled to trial by jury composed in whole 
or in part by members of his race.

3. It does not affirmatively appear that the Jury Commission 
of Montgomery County has violated the defendant’s constitutional 
rights because there are no members of the Negro race on the venire 
to try this cause.

4. The allegation that Negroes are systematically excluded from 
juries in Montgomery County does not amount to a violation of 
Defendant’s constititutional rights.

5. It is not alleged that the systematic exclusion of Negroes from 
the juries of Montgomery County has been by the Jury Commis­
sion of said county.

6. For ought that appears any exclusion of Negroes from juries 
results from striking of said juries by counsel rather than by action 
of the Jiuy Commission.

7. The allegation that there are no members of the Negro race 
on the venire in said cause is a mere conclusion of the pleader.

8. The allegation that Negroes are systematically excluded from 
juries in violation of the 14th Amendment of the Constitution of 
the United States is a mere conclusion of the pleader.

9. The systematic exclusion of “Negroes” from the juries of 
Montgomery County would not amount to a violation of any con­
stitutional right of the Defendant,



38 10. The systematic exclusion of Negroes because of their 
race and/or color from the jury is not a violation of the

Defendant’s rights under the Constitution of the United States.
(S.) W illiam F. T hetford,

Circuit Solicitor.

H earing on D efendant’s M otion to Quash V enire

9:50 o’clock A. M.
Chambers of Judge Walter B. Jones.

Present:
The Court.
The Solicitor and Assistant Solicitor.
The Defendant and his Counsel.
The A ssistant Solicitor: You have a copy of the motion before 

you. The gist of the demurrer is this. While he has alleged that 
negroes have been excluded, he has failed to allege the essential 
element that the jury commission of Montgomery County has sys­
tematically excluded negroes because of their race, creed or color 
from the jury box or the jury roles. The first paragraph of his 
motion there is that this defendant’s constitutional rights have been 
violated because there are no members of the negro race on said 
venire, the defendant being a negro. That particular paragraph 
does not allege any systematic exclusion, does not allege any action 
of the Board of Jury Commission systematically excluded negroes 
and is, therefore, faulty.

The second paragraph states negroes are systematically excluded 
from the jury in violation of their constitutional rights. It fails to 
state that the Jury Commission of Montgomery County has system­
atically excluded them. It doesn’t allege that they have been ex­
cluded from the jury panel. It just says the jury. Any number of 
them have been struck from the juries in this County.

As to the third paragraph. First he is going to have to correct 
the spelling of negroes. I have never seen the name spelled like 
that. He alleges—he says: “ negores, because of their race, are sys­

tematically excluded from Montgomery County juries in
39 violation of the 14th amendment to the Constitution of the 

United States.” What I have said about the other para­
graphs applies to this. He has not alleged the Jury Commission 
of Montgomery County has systematically excluded. He fails to 
allege in the three paragraphs anything that violates the laws of 
the State of Alabama.

The Court: I am going to hold in a case of this kind the first 
paragraph states nothing at all on which this Court would be re­
quired to pass. I am holding that paragraphs two and three do state

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a question which the Court has arranged to hear and pass on. I, 
therefore, overrule the demurrers to the motion.

Mr. M cGee: I would like to amend paragraphs two and three 
by inserting the word “ box” after “ jury” .

I would like to amend grounds two and three to read like this: 
“ Negroes, because of their race and their color, have been system­
atically excluded by the Montgomery County Jury Commission 
from the Montgomery County jury box as a whole, in violation of 
the 14th amendment to the Constitution fo the United States” .

The Court: All right. The amendment is allowed. Are we ready 
to proceed?

Mr. M cGee: Yes, sir, Your Honor.
The Assistant Solicitor: I s that the only amendment you make?
Mr. M cGee: Yes, sir.
The A ssistant Solicitor: The State refiles its demurrers.
The Court: Let us proceed.
Mr. M cGee: I have requested subpoenas for the different members 

of the Jury Commission to appear before the Court with the jury 
box for the purpose of determining the number of negroes in the 
jury box, and the number of white people, and check them off the 
gross total to see whether they are white and colored, and for that 
purpose I ask that the jury box be opened in court. I think the 
only way that question can be proved is by going into the jury 
box and determining the number of white and colored jurors in it.

The Court: The Court is going to rule you are not going to be 
allowed to go into the jury box for the purpose of determining the 

number, or color, or creed, or religion, or race of the jurors 
40 in the box.

Mr. M cGee: I would like to have an exception.
The Court: Y ou may have an exception to that.

(Exception noted for the defendant by direction of the Court.)

The Assistant Solicitor : Let the record show the members of the 
Jury Commission are present. Let the record show that.

The Court: Judge Hill has a doctor’s certificate. Judge Hill is 
feeble and infirm.

Mr. M cGee: I won’t make any point of that. I didn’t realize he 
was in bad health or I wouldn’t have brought it up.

I would like to make a motion I be permitted to go into the jury 
box on the ground that by going into it it can be determined whether 
or not they are systematically excluded. I want to go into it for 
the purpose of determining whether they have proportional repre­
sentation.

The Court: The Court rules you will not be allowed to go into 
the jury box. You may establish that with any testimony you would

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28 JEREMIAH REEVES, JR., VS. STATE OF ALABAMA

like to present along that line. Tf it becomes an issue for decision 
in the case we will meet it when we get to it.

Mr. M cGee: I would like to have an exception.

(Exception noted for the defendant by direction of the Court.)

Evidence on Behalf of the D efendant on M otion to 
Quash the V enire

Eugene W. Carter, having been duly sworn, was examined and 
testified as follows:

D irect examination.

By Mr. M cGee:
Q. You are a member of the jury commission of Montgomery 

County?
A. I am.
Q. Do you know the approximate number of names in the jury 

box?
A. We have quite a good many. I haven’t the slightest idea. I 

couldn’t give within five hundred how many there were in there.
Q. Do you recall when Judge Jones was running for re-election?
A. Yes," sir; I remember when Judge Jones was running for re- 

election.
41 Q. Did you ever hear him make any reference to the

number of names in the box?
A. No; I never did.
The Assistant Solicitor: We object to this line of questioning.
The W itness: I haven’t the slightest idea how many are in there. 

Any time I meet a member on the jury I have discussed with him 
about putting names in, and if he knows any good, substantial men 
in the community to send in their names.

By Mr. M cGee:
Q. Does every member of the Commission contribute names to 

the box?
A. They do.
Q. Is it your custom to take names from different clubs like the 

Elks, and so forth?
A. We have done that. And I have asked negroes. My first 

recollection of putting them in there, I once went to the clubs, lists 
were made up of those who were willing to serve, and secured the 
first ones I put in there. Every time we got the names of a few 
negroes they were put in, of course. I remember one in particular—



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his name is Smith; I don’t recall his first name—in the insurance 
business. I called him in the office after he served on the jury and 
asked him would he be kind enough to get me a list of negroes, 
intelligent, honest, trustworthy type of negro, who were the type of 
negroes, as far as possible, the same type of white people we had on 
the jury. He submitted the names of at least twelve I know of 
which I presented to the Jury Commission myself. I just remem­
ber, Morris Smith is his name. That was two or three years ago 
and from time to time we have asked people to send in names. It is 
particularly hard for us to put in negroes without knowing them. 
We have never put in anybody at all unless we have a list from 
somebody. I know the other members of the Jury Commission 
have done the same thing. As far as I remember, when I have 
attended a meeting of the Jury Commission, I have never attended 
a meeting where a negro was turned down because oi the fact he 
was a negro. As a matter of fact, I don t believe I have attended a 
meeting where a negro was turned down, where somebody has sub­
mitted us the name of any negro.

Mr. M cGee : I move to strike the answer on the ground it is 
not responsive to the question.

42 The Court: Objection overruled.
Mr. M cGee: I would like to have an exception.

(Exception noted for the defendant by direction of the Court.) 

By the Court:
Q. Do you apply the same qualifications for negroes and white 

people?
A. Absolutely. We follow the same qualifications for everybody 

in putting them in the jury box. There is a lot of regulations we have 
to follow, various means we have to follow getting people who are 
intelligent, names of people to go in the jury box, both white and 
black.

Mr. M cGee: I move to strike all that because it is not responsive.
The W itness: I am answering the Judge, not you.
The Court: The motion is overruled.
Mr. M cGee : I would like to have an exception.
(Exception noted for the defendant by direction of the Court.)

By Mr. M cGee:
Q. Have you an idea how many negroes you have?
A. No; I have not. I know there are a good many in there. I 

wouldn’t know, anymore than I could tell you how many negroes 
vote. I don’t know. I know there is a number of them. I do know 
this; I have tried to get them. I mean high-class negroes.



Q. How long have you been a Circuit Judge here?
A. Eighteen years in January.
Q. You were a Circuit Judge at the time this jury law was passed, 

were you not?
A. I believe it was the law before I went on it. My recollection 

is it was the law and they repassed it shortly after that. I may be 
wrong. That is my recollection.

Q. You have been on the Jury Commission ever since you have 
been Judge?

A. I believe it was the first year I was elected that we filled the 
jury box. They already had the box and everything else. And in 
1939— I believe I am right—there was a local Act passed with a 
number of supplementary Acts, if I am right. I could be wrong 

because I haven’t given it any thought. When I was first 
43 elected judge my recollection is the local statute was the 

thing we went by.
Q. I believe the normal practice is there are four criminal terms 

during the year and approximately three civil terms?
A. That is right, unless we have an extra session of court, as we 

have this term. The jurors are taken out of the box, except in war 
times. That is the only time we didn’t do that. The name is put 
back in the jury box about every eighteen months.

I might say—what we want to get is the truth— since I have been 
judge we have had as many as three negroes called for one term. 
We never turned any back, if he was a negro, for a white man. It 
is possible a negro’s name would not be drawn, but it never was 
thrown back. And I have never seen the jury box anywhere near 
empty. The most I have seen was three at one time.

Q. How many do you draw out for a regular term of court?
A. You draw about fifty, but you never get fifty here. Usually 

out of fifty you get thirty-five if you are doing good.
Q. If you don’t have enough you draw an additional supply?
A. That is right. The same thing comes up each time we draw. 

Lots of them move away from here. We draw a lot of them who 
have died, and their names are not removed from the jury roles. We 
don’t know about that until the names are drawn. Some men are 
out of the State, and others sick. The only way to get them out of 
the jury box is to have somebody notify us they are dead, or have 
left here, unless it is somebody we know, somebody very well known, 
some prominent person we know.

Q. Do you know the approximate number of colored registered 
voters in this County?

A. I don’t know.
Q. That list is available, is it not?
A. Naturally, they have a list of them. Whether they carry them

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JEREMIAH REEVES, JR., VS. STATE OP ALABAMA 31

black and white, or not, I don’t know. They did at one time. 
Whether they are listed as one group, I don’t know.

Q. Do you ignore the voter list?
The Court: I don’t know what the voters’ list has to do with 

the jury.
Mr. M cGee: I want to get the number of qualified colored voters.
The W itness: What has that to do with the jury commission?

There are so many people who cannot serve on the jury. Y ou 
44 have teachers who are engaged in teaching, they cannot

serve; no doctor can serve; no dentist can serve. We have 
made it a rule not to call a preacher for jury duty. The jury 
commissioners feel it would be embarrassing for him when some 
member of his congregation was up for trial. For that reason wre 
haven’t done that in the past. They are not excused under the law. 
There are a lot of others disqualified, that the law disqualifies. We 
do not.

By the Court :
Q. The statute exempts persons engaged as railroad engineers?
A. That is right. We have never put in anybody of that grade.

By Mr. M cGee:
Q. Aren’t there around approximately twenty-eight hundred to 

three thousand colored voters in the County?
A. I couldn’t tell you.
Mr. M cGee: Could I have the voter record brought here?
The Court: I don’t see what the voting list has to do with this

phase.
Mr. M cGee: For the purpose of picking men of good character.
The Court: T o pick a man of good character they have several 

tests. I see no value of the voting list, because many people on 
there mostly appear to be good jurors in your opinion. I think it 
is irrelevant to this particular hearing. If you care to show what 
the number is, I will let it in for what it is worth.

Mr. M cGee: I want to show approximately the number of quali­
fied colored voters in the County.

The W itness: In all fairness to both sides, this ought to be read 
into the record. Title 30, Chapter 1, Section 3: “ Persons exempt 
from jury duty.—The following persons are exempt from jury duty, 
unless by their own consent: Judges of the several courts; attorneys 
at law during the time they practice their profession; officers of 
the United States; officers of the executive department of the state 
government; sheriffs and their deputies; clerks of the courts and 
county commissioners; regularly licensed and practicing physicians; 
dentists; pharmacists; optometrists; teachers while actually engaged



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in teaching; actuaries while actually engaged in their profession; 
officers and regularly licensed engineers of any boat plying the 

waters of this state; passenger bus driver-operators; and 
45 driver-operators of motor-vehicles hauling freight for hire 

under the supervision of the Alabama public service com­
mission ; railroad engineers, locomotive firemen, conductors, train 
dispatchers, bus dispatchers, railroad station agents, and telegraph 
operators when actually in sole charge of an office; newspaper 
reporters while engaged in the discharge of their duties as such, 
regularly licensed embalmers while actually engaged in their pro­
fession; radio broadcasting engineers and announcers when engaged 
in the regular performance of their duties; the superintendents, 
physicians, and all regular employees of the Bryce hospital in 
Tuscaloosa county and the Searcy hospital in Mobile county; 
officers and enlisted men of the national guard and naval militia of 
Alabama, during their terms of service; and convict and prison 
guards while engaged in the discharge of their duties as such.” 

“ Section 20. Jury roll and cards.—The jury commission shall 
meet in the court house at the county seat of the several counties 
annually, between the first day of August and the twentieth day 
of December, and shall make in a well bound book a roll containing 
the name of every male citizen living in the county who possessed the 
qualifications herein prescribed and who is not exempted by law 
from serving on juries. The roll shall be arranged alphabetically 
and by precincts in their numerical order and the jury commission 
shall cause to be written on the roll opposite every name placed 
thereon the occupation, residence and place of business of every 
person selected, and if the residence has a street number it must be 
given. Upon the completion of the roll the jury commission shall 
cause to be prepared plain white cards all of the same size and 
texture and shall have written or printed on the cards the name, 
occupation, place of residence and place of business of the person 
whose name has been placed on the jury roll; writing or printing 
but one person’s name, occupation, place of residence and of business 
on each card. These cards shall be placed in a substantial metal 
box provided with a lock and two keys, which box shall be kept in 
a safe or vault in the office of the probate judge, and if there be none 
in that office, the jury commission shall deposit it in any safe or 
vault in the court house to be designated on the minutes of the 
commission; and one of said keys thereof shall be kept by the 

president of the jury commission. The other of said keys 
46 shall be kept by a judge of a court of record having juries, 

other than the probate or circuit court, and in counties having 
no such court then by the judge of the circuit court, for the sole use 
of the judges of the courts of said county needing jurors. The jury 
roll shall be kept securely and for the use of the jury commission 
exclusively. It shall not be inspected by any one except the members



of the commission or by the clerk of the commission upon the au­
thority of the commission, unless under an order of the judge of the 
circuit court or other court of record having jurisdiction.”

“ Section 21. Qualifications of persons on jury roll.—The jury 
commission shall place on the jury roll and in the jury box the names 
of all male citizens of the county who are generally reputed to be 
honest and intelligent men and are esteemed in the community for 
their integrity, good character and sound judgment; but no person 
must be selected who is under twenty-one or who is an habitual 
drunkard, or who, being afflicted with a permanent disease or physi­
cal weakness is unfit to discharge the duties of a juror; or cannot 
read English or who has ever been convicted of any offense involving 
moral turpitude. If a person cannot read English and has all the 
other qualifications prescribed herein and is a freeholder or house­
holder his name may be placed on the jury roll and in the jury box. 
No person over the age of sixty-five years shall be required to 
serve on a jury or to remain on the panel of jurors unless he is 
willing to do so.”

This is the amended provision I have read. That is part of our 
duty as the jury commission. There are five members of the jury 
commission, and it takes three of them to constitute a quorum. We 
have meetings, sometimes twice a year, sometimes more. During 
the summer we have a meeting at somebody’s house for breakfast, 
and then go out all through the County canvassing names.

By Mr. M cGee:
Q. When you select jurors from these clubs, do you check up the 

list of membership?
A. They do that in the club among themselves, find out how many 

can serve. We know where they live, the names of the members, 
and we check to find out how long he has been living around here, 
find out everything we can about him.

Q. You do have some on the club list you don’t know?
47 A. Oh, yes. We find out all about him if we don’t know 

the member, and if he qualifies, we take him.
Q. From how many clubs approximately have you got a list of 

club members?
A. I couldn’t answer that. Most all of them here.
Q. Do you request lists from colored clubs?
A. Not that I know of. I never go to the negro clubs. The ones 

I have asked to help me have been somebody I know, negroes I 
know.

Q. I am talking about club lists.
A. I don’t know because I don’t go in their clubs.
Q. You don’t go in their clubs?
A. I don’t go in them. I do know—this is way, way back—I do

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know one club. We had several members out of that club. In 
fact, we had at least twenty out of the club. That is when that 
meets in an insurance office. They call it the Montgomery Improve­
ment Association or Society. It might be the Atlanta Insurance 
Company. Pearce, I remember, and Morris Smith, I remember.
Out of that group we had at least half the membership anyway.

Mr. M cGee: I would like to strike the answer as not responsive.
The Court: Overrule the motion.
Mr. M cGee: I would like to have an exception.
(Exception noted for the defendant by direction of the Court.)
Mr. M cGee: In regard to a certain number of jurors, approxi­

mately twenty, named by the witness as having been secured from 
an unascertained club, I move you permit me to go into the jury 
box to determine the number.

The Court: Overrule your motion.
Mr. M cGee: I would like to have an exception.
(Exception noted for the defendant by direction of the Court.) 

Cross-examination.

By the Solicitor:

Q. Who is on the Jury Commission of Montgomery County?
A. The Jury Commission is composed of two circuit judges, the 

Judge of Probate, the Circuit Clerk and the Sheriff, Judge Jones 
being the Chairman, or President, and John Matthews being the 

Clerk.
48 Q. Section 21 of Title 30, which is qualifications of persons 

on the jury roll, reads: “ That the names of all male citizens 
of the County who are generally reputed to be honest and intelligent 
men and are esteemed in the community for their integrity, good 
character and sound judgment.” Do you place every person, re­
gardless of color, who fits those qualifications just the same as any 
other person?

A. We have tried to to the best of our knowledge, information 
and belief.

Q. And I will ask you this. Have you ever excluded any person 
who would otherwise have qualified because of color?

A. No, sir. Color has never been discussed, except somebody has 
said he is a negro, and he is a white man. I could make this state­
ment in all honesty. I never remember one being turned down. I 
wasn’t present at all the meetings. Any meeting I attended nobody 
ever turned down one somebody recommended as being qualified 
for jury service, somebody we could rely on.

Q. There is a negro on this present jury panel?

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A. Yes. He was on the panel before this case ever came up, on 
the regular panel. I don’t know his name. He is there. He was 
on the regular jury panel before any special jury was drawn.

Q. Isn’t it a matter of fact we have had negroes who have been 
drawn on the panels of both grand juries and petty juries fairly 
regularly?

A. During the years. I can mention Page. I don’t know their 
names. And this comical negro on Monroe Street who has lot of 
freckles on his face. He has been on quite regularly. Those are 
the ones I remember well. Those have been on the jury time and 
time again. One of the first ones I knew was connected with the 
Atlanta Life Insurance Company, but I cannot remember his name. 
He was head of the Atlanta Life. He was on the jury about every 
eighteen months for a long time before any of this came up. I knew 
that firm. Mr. Tilley represented the company when I was prac­
ticing law. That is before I was judge. I might say these negroes, 
some of them and I were raised up together. Theodore Michaels 
lived near me as a boy, and Aaron Harris runs a club in Newtown. 
I remember those particularly because they were negroes raised 
with me and we played together as boys.

49 R edirect examination .

By Mr. M cGee:
Q. A lot of times, particularly grand juries and other juries, wrhen 

no colored jurors are on them?
A. Yes, sometimes there are no negroes’ names drawn, and other 

times we have three or four at one time.
Mr. M cGee: I move to strike the answer as not responsive to the 

question.
The Court: Objection overruled.
Mr. M cGee: I would like to have an exception.

(Exception noted for the defendant by direction of the court.)

By the Court:

Q. Has the Jury Commission, or has it at any time during the 
time you have been a member, systematically and intentionally 
excluded any person or persons by reason of their color, their race 
or their creed?

Mr. McGee: I object to the question on the ground the witness 
is not qualified to answer it.

The W itness: As far as I know, there never has been. I never 
have objected to any.

Mr. M cGee: May I have a ruling?

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The Court: I will sustain the objection to exclude the testimony.
Mr. M cGee: My contention is he can only state what he did 

himself when he was present.
The Court: I qualify the question as to the time he was present 

as a member.
Mr. M cGee: He can only speak for himself when present; he 

cannot read the minds of the other people there.
The Court: I take for granted he knew when he testified that 

he knew the rules. He says he did.
Any other question?
Mr. M cGee: No.

John R. M atthews, having been duly sworn, was examined and 
testified as follows:

D irect examination.

50 By Mr. M cGee:
Q. Do you also choose names from club lists?
A. We get them from club lists, church rolls, and labor organiza­

tions, just anywhere where we can find a group of people who would 
qualify to go into the jury box.

Q. Do you ever secure club lists, lists from colored clubs?
A. No; I have not, because I don’t know any colored clubs. I 

have asked different members of the negro race about names for 
the jury box. Peirce, in particular, about six months ago. He is a 
professor at the State Normal School. I asked him wouldn’t he 
submit a list of names of good colored men to the Jury Commission 
for the purpose of placing those names in the jury box. I never did 
get a list.

Q. Have you had any response from them?
A. I asked D. Cathy for a list of colored people to put in the 

jury box.
Q. Do you know this man Cathy served time in the penitentiary?
A. Yes, sir, following which he has turned out to be a pretty 

responsible citizen of Montgomery.
Q. Has he ever been pardoned?
A. I don’t know about that.

Cross-examination .

By the Solicitor:

Q. Have you talked to any other negroes about getting names for 
juries?

A. Yes, sir. I talked to a negro by the name of M. G. Bowen, 
who was an old postman—I think carried mail here in Montgomery

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JEREMIAH REEVES, JR., VS. STATE OF ALABAMA 37

for forty years—I asked him wouldn’t he submit a list of colored 
people for the purpose of putting names in the jury box. I never 
heard from that.

Q. In other words, rather than excluding negroes systematically 
from the jury, your testimony is you made every effort you could 
to get names of qualified negroes?

A. That is right. I want to go a step further and say that I know 
there are a lot of good white people and good negroes whose names 
are not in the jury box. It is not because we have tried to leave 
them out, it is because we just don’t know everybody. We have 
done the best we could to get them.

Q. Have you ever excluded any person from the jury simply 
51 because of their color?

A. I never have. Never decided or discussed before the 
Jury Commission about them being discriminated against,

Q. In other words, your testimony is, if they are qualified for 
jury duty, their names are placed in the box regardless of color?

A. That is right.
Q. The color of a person has no influence on the minds of the 

Jury Commissioners?
A. Regardless of race and color. If they meet the qualifications 

of Title 30, Section 21, Code of 1940. We try to set that pattern.

R edirect examination .

By Mr. M cGee:
Q. You have no figures as to the number of colored and whites 

in Montgomery County?
A. No. My acquaintance with colored people isn’t as wide as 

it is with whites.
D efendant R ests

State’s Evidence on M otion of D efendant to Quash the
I ndictment

W alter B. Jones, having been duly sworn, -was examined and 
testified as follows:

D irect examination.

By the Solicitor:
Q. You are presiding Circuit Judge of this Judicial Circuit?
A. I am.
Q. How long have you been Circuit Judge here?
A. I have been Circuit Judge for thirty-two years, and President 

of the Montgomery County Jury Commission since 1923, since it 
was organized.



38 JEREMIAH BEEVES, JR., VS. STATE OF ALABAMA

Q. To your knowledge has there ever been any discrimination in 
securing names for the jury list as far as negroes are concerned?

A. None whatever in any meeting I attended, and I have attended 
most of the meetings.

Q. I will ask you whether there was any discussion generally 
whether a man is negro or white, or just confined to his name? 

52 A. To be perfectly frank, I never heard that discussed 
whatever. All I go by the man’s name. Unless I see the 

street and know it is a negro section, I don’t know whether he is 
white or black, and never made any inquiry.

Q. Have you as a member of the Jury Commission made any 
effort to secure names of negroes in the past?

A. I have made countless efforts. Recently I made a speech 
to veterans taking G. I. training at the Washington Carver School 
on the duties of citizenship. At that time I went over the require­
ments for service on juries, and we would be glad to get the names 
of veterans or any other qualified persons that they could give to us. 
We did get two or three names. When the start of world war II 
cut down on the available men for jury duty, we had a public meet­
ing in the court house attended by thirty or forty high-class negroes 
as sort of observers. I stated the purpose of the meeting, and also 
told all present the Jury Commission would like to have the names 
of qualified colored folks sent to them.

Q. You have exercised as much diligence to secure the names of 
qualified negro jurors as you have to secure the names of qualified 
white jurors?

A. I would say probably we have exercised more. The Board of 
Jury Commissioners of Montgomery County makes trips every 
year out in the County, and quite often we make trips around the 
city.

Cross-examination .

By Mr. M cGee-:

Q. How many names are in the jury box?
A. I don’t know positively. I would have to make a guess. I 

never have checked the jury roll.
Q. Didn’t you make a statement when you were running for 

election the approximate number?
A. I don’t recall if I did.
Q. Didn’t you state in your opinion that the total would be in the 

neighborhood of five or six thousand?
A. I would say possibly five thousand. It would be near that.
Q. It is true at this time there are not as many colored jurors as 

there are white jurors in the box?



JEREMIAH REEVES, JR., VS. STATE OF ALABAMA 39

A. We called upon and made requests of the colored people. I 
have made every effort to get the names of colored people. I made 

that over a good many years as a member of the Commission. 
53 Q. Have you any idea how many colored voters are in the 

box?
A. I have no idea.
Q. Have you any idea how many colored voters there are in the 

County?
A. I don’t know. I never have checked the lists.
Q. Do the names put in the Jury Box have any designation 

whether colored or white?
A. No, sir. The only way to know that is to know the streets 

these colored people live on. If a man lives on Perry Street, I as­
sume he is a white man. If he lives in Peacock Alley, or Dunbar, 
I would figure he is a colored man.

R edirect examination.

By the Solicitor:

Q. You testified that the names which are drawn, those are names 
in the jury box?

A. Yes, sir.
Q. There is a card prepared after the name is placed on the jury 

list which shows the man’s name and his occupation?
A. Business address and residence.
Q. Is anything on that card which would show his race?
A. No.
Q. Does the actual jury list itself indicate the color or anything
A. Doesn’t even show white, black, Caucasian, Japanese, or race, 

creed, or anything mentioned on the jury roll about creed.
Q. When the Judge draws names out, unless he knows the man 

and knows the address, he wouldn’t know whether he is drawing 
a colored man or a white man?

A. No way of knowing.
Q. Have you anything else to say?
A. When I went on the Bench in 1920 they had a Board of Jury 

Commissioners appointed by the Governor. 1923 introduced a new 
bill, and when Mr. Stakely was Senator in 1939 that bill became a 
local bill, and there has been no change except to change the Clerk’s 
salary $100 to $1200. I have been continuously Chairman of the 
Board since that time.



40 JEREMIAH REEVES, JR., VS. STATE OF ALABAMA

J. E. Pierce, having been duly sworn, was examined and testified 
as follows:

54 D irect ex am in atio n .

By the Solicitor:

Q. Your name is?
A. James E. Pierce.
Q. You are a member of the negro race?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. What is your occupation?
A. Schoolteacher.
Q. Where?
A. State College.
Q. In Montgomery?
A. Alabama State College, Political Science Teacher.
Q. Have you ever served on juries in Montgomery County?
A. I have.
Q. Do you know Mr. John Matthews, Clerk of the Circuit Court? 
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Has he ever discussed with you or requested you to submit 

names of negroes for jury duty?
A. Yes, sir, he did.
Q. Could you tell us when that conversation took place?
A. The best of my knowledge it was June or July.
Q. And he asked you to submit, I believe, a list of names?
Mr. M cGee: I object to the question on the ground it calls for 

hearsay.
The Court: Overruled.
Mr. M cGee: I ask for an exception.
(Exception noted for the defendant by direction of the Court.) 

By the Solicitor:

Q. Did he, or did he not, ask you to submit a list of names for 
jury duty?

A. Yes, sir.

Mr. M cGee: I move to exclude the answer on the ground of hear­
say.

The Court: Overrule the objection.
Mr. M cGee: I would like to have an exception.
(Exception noted for the defendant by direction of the 

Court.)



55 Cross-examination .

By Mr. M cGee:
Q. At the time you served were there other colored people picked 

on the jury?
A. The last time there were three.
Q. How many times did you serve?
A. I have been called to jury service to my knowledge at least six 

times.
Q. In how many years?
A. Over a period of about eight or ten years.
Q. Have you been on the regular panel each time you served?
The Assistant Solicitor: We object to that. By regular panel 

do you mean the petty jury?
Mr. M cGee: Any panel.
The W it n e ss : I have knowledge of being here maybe once for 

Grand Jury service, two of us. We were not used at that time.

By Mr. M cGee:
Q. Were there other colored on each occasion?
A. On one occasion I remember three.
Q. And one occasion two?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. On other occasions was anybody on the panel with you?
A. I don’t remember the other times.

D. Caffy, having been duly sworn, was examined and testified as 
follows:

D irect examination .

By the Solicitor:

Q. What is your name?
A. D. Caffy.
Q. What is your occupation?
A. I am in the real estate business.
Q. Where?
A. 110' North Court.
Q. That is in the City of Montgomery?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. How long have you lived in Montgomery ?
A. All my life.

Q. You are a member of the negro race?
56 A. Yes, sir.

Q. Have you ever served on the jury in Montgomery

JEREMIAH REEVES, JR., VS. STATE OF ALABAMA 41

County?



42 JEREMIAH REEVES, JR., VS. STATE OF ALABAMA

A. I don’t know when, but I served.
Q. You don’t know when?
A. No, sir. I have been called.
Q. Do you know Mr. John R. Matthews, Clerk of the Circuit 

Court?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Has he ever talked to you in connection with securing, names 

of qualified negroes for jury duty?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Could you tell me on how many occasions Mr. Matthews has 

discussed that with you?
A. Twice.
Q. When?
A. I think about a month prior to the election when we discussed 

this the first time.
Q. Did he ever request you to submit names for jury service?
Mr. M cGee: I object on the ground that it calls for a hearsay 

answer.
The Court: Objection overruled.
Mr. M cGee: I would like an exception.
(Exception noted for the defendant by direction of the Court.)

By the Solicitor:

Q. Did he ever request you to submit names?
A. Yes, sir.
Mr. M cGee: I object to the question and move to exclude the 

answer on the ground of hearsay.
The Court: Objection overruled.
Mr. M cGee: I would like to note an exception.
(Exception noted for the defendant by direction of the Court.)

By the Solicitor :

Q. Has he ever asked you to give him names of members of the 
negro race who might qualify for service on the jury?

Mr. M cGee: That is objected to on the ground of hearsay.
The Court: Objection overruled.
Mr. M cGee: I would like to have an exception noted.
(Exception noted for the defendant by direction of the 

Court.)
57 The W itness: Yes, sir, he did.

Mr. M cGee: I move to exclude the answer on the ground 
of hearsay.



JEREMIAH REEVES, JR., VS. STATE OF ALABAMA 43

The Court: Objection overruled.
Mr. M cGee: I would like an exception.
(Exception noted for the defendant by direction of the Court.)

Cross-examination.

By Mr. M cGee:
Q. Weren’t you convicted of receiving stolen property and sen­

tenced to Kilby Penitentiary one time?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Have you been pardoned?
A. Yes, sir.

Testimony closed on Defendant’s motion to quash the venire.

R uling on M otion

The Court: The Court is prepared to rule. The Court finds 
there is no evidence to sustain the allegations of the motion that 
negroes have been systematically excluded from the jury rolls, and 
the jury box or venires in this County. It is, therefore, considered, 
ordered and adjudged by the Court that the motion be, and the same 
is hereby overruled.

Mr. M cGee: I except.
(Exception noted for the defendant by direction of the Court.)
Mr. M cGee: There is another motion I want to file, and before I 

do that I would like to refile all the motions I filed with Judge 
Eugene Carter, and move to file them now, and in the order they 
were filed.

The Court: All motions refiled with the exception of the motion 
concerning the exclusion of the press. The motions are overruled, 
and an exception granted the defendant.

(Exception noted for the defendant by direction of the Court.)

58 10:40 o ’clock A. M.

W est Court R oom 

Parties present as before noted

The Court: Let the record show the defendant’s motion not to 
exclude the press is withdrawn.

Mr. M cGee: I have a motion to set aside the entire jury box on 
the ground the Jury Commission is composed under an Act which is 
unconstitutional and in violation of Section 105 of the State Con­



44 JEREMIAH REEVES, JR., VS. STATE OF ALABAMA

stitution. Section 105 of the State Constitution provides a general 
act in all cases, and the legislature isn’t permitted to pass a local 
act providing for the same subject. It is my contention that this 
local act by which the Jury Commission was set up in 1939, at the 
time there was in effect a general act providing for that, therefore, 
the local act controverted the act of the legislature, and so forth.

The Court: Motion overruled. Exception granted for the de­
fendant.

(Exception noted for the defendant by direction of the Court.)

The Court: Any further motions?
Mr. M cGee: Not at this time.
The Solicitor: I would like to have the State’s witnesses called.

(State’s witnesses called by the Clerk.)
The Solicitor: The State announces ready.
Mr. M cGee: Call the Defendant’s witnesses.
(Defendant’s witnesses called by the Clerk.)
Mr. M cGee: There are material witnesses for the defendant in 

this case missing who are vital to the defense of this defendant. 
Mrs. Katherine Trawick and Mrs. Pearl Barron are missing.

The Court: What do you propose to prove by them? We will 
adjourn to the Jury Room.

Left Jury Room 
Parties present as before noted

59 Colloquy

The Court: I expect to have the hearing at this time. Mrs. Tra­
wick and Miss Barron are not present. They are under subpoena to 
be here.

Mr. M cGee: These two witnesses are probably the most material 
of all. It is my understanding from information received and set 
out in the affidavit this defendant has been indicted six different 
times; also that the defendant confessed to each of six different 
crimes. The newspapers, of course, were on the street saying he 
confessed to all six of them. He has been indicted on six, and 
three cases were set for trial on the capital list, and came here 
to be tried on any of those indictments. And a confession where 
he says he did do these six different crimes. Your Honor knows 
if he confessed falsely or wrongly because of some duress, and 
if that confession isn’t true, and if he confessed falsely under duress, 
I want the opportunity to disprove that confession. I have some 
pretty strong testimony out of these six women, four of them failed 
to identify the defendant. As a matter of fact, the defendant was



picked up last summer, held three days and subjected to the line-up, 
and during which time he wasn’t identified by them.

The Court: Have you talked to them?
Mr. M cGee: No ; I have not. I just discovered it late and re­

quested subpoenas for them.
The Court: It will be up to you, Mr. Sheriff, to get them here.
Mr. M cGee: Actually the ones, I think, who didn’t identify him 

are Mrs. Trawick and Miss Barron, and probably Mrs. Burson.
The Court: Y ou can make a showing of what they would testify to 

if you deem it necessary.
Mr. M cGee: Perhaps I better indicate to Your Honor as to why 

their presence is absolutely necessary, for this reason. The defend­
ant was picked up this summer. Out of six indictments, five of 
them occurred before he was picked up. And while he was held 
five of these alleged crimes already had been committed, and he 
was subjected to the line-up and released by the police.

The Court: tie is on trial for only one offense.
Mr. M cGee: On the trial if they offer an alleged confession in 

which he says he committed six different offenses, I have been 
wondering whether the confession is going to be allowed to be intro­
duced.

The Solicitor: Any confession that the State seeks to in- 
60 troduce in this case will be limited to the offense in the 

Crowder case, and will not introduce anything other than 
the Crowder case. We do not intend to present any evidence what­
soever as to any attack, or any crime, or anything else, except in 
the case at issue. It is my opinion, legally speaking, we can only 
present a single case. We do not expect to bring in all of these 
cases, or offer any part of the confession not applying to the case 
on trial.

Mr. M cGee: Everybody in this County knows this defendant 
has been charged with six separate offenses, and the newspapers 
printed this story, but he had confessed to all six.

The Court: I am going to overrule the motion for a continuance.
Mr. M cGee: Although the State may not introduce the written 

confession covering all of these cases. I think Mr. Thetford will 
agree I have a right to develop all the details that had to do with 
this confession, and detail all the conversations with the officers 
out in Kilby Prison. He certainly is going to have to bring out the 
entire conversations, everything that took place. He cannot restrict 
the -witnesses. There is no way it can be kept out without going 
into full detail at the time the confession was obtained.

The Court: Were the witnesses present at the time the confession 
was secured?

The Solicitor: No.
The Court : I will overrule your motion and give you an exception.

JEREMIAH REEVES, JR., VS. STATE OF ALABAMA 45



(Exception noted for the defendant by direction of the Court.)
Mr. M cGee: As to these other witnesses—Fannie Mitchell—she 

is missing.
The Court: What do you expect to show by her?
Mr. M cGee: Well, she was going to be a witness to the fact, I 

have information she has known the boy for quite a number of 
years, that he is insane and not of sound mind. And John Galston 
would be called for the same purpose. And Amos Harvey would 
be called for the same purpose. And Reverend J. T. Thomas would 
be called for the same purpose, and also as to character.

The Court: Does the State have any objection to a showing of 
that kind?

61 The A ssistant Solicitor: Have you talked to these people?
Mr. M cGee: I have talked to them, and the parents have 

talked to them for me.
The Solicitor: I don’t know that I am going to make a showing 

for any of these witnesses without the right to cross examine. Don’t 
you have other witnesses who are going to testify to the same 
things?

Mr. M cGee: Not the same facts. I think they will testify to 
other facts too.

The Solicitor: I don’t know why the State should make a show­
ing without the right to have cross examination.

Mr. M cGee: I am making a motion to continue the case until 
tomorrow or Monday to get the witnesses down here.

The Court: I deny the motion, and give you an attachment for 
those witnesses.

Mr. M cGee: I move the Court be continued to allow me to obtain 
some witnesses who could not be here.

The Court: You can make a showing for them if you have talked 
to them. The State refuses to agree to a continuance, attachments 
will issue for the witnesses, and I overrule the motion.

The case will proceed to trial.

West Court R oom 

10:56 o’clock A. M.
Present: Parties as before noted

The Court: Any further motions?
Mr. M cGee: I would like to have certain questions propounded 

to the prospective jurors.
The following questions were submitted to the Court in writing 

by the defendant:
“ 1. Have any of the jurors ever had a close relative or friend 

raped by a member of the negro race?”

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JEREMIAH REEVES, JR., VS. STATE OF ALABAMA 47

“ 2. Have you ever had any close friend or relative raped by 
anyone?”

62 11:01 o’clock A. M.
All jurors sworn generally by the Clerk

The Court: Have any jurors in the court room any valid excuse
they want to submit at this time why they should not serve? This 
is an important case so please don’t ask to be excused unless you 
have a valid excuse.

The following jurors were excused by the Court:

No. 33 Cline B. Pruitt 
No. 56 William E. Chalkley 
No. 5 Cecil C. Boyd,
The Court: We are about to try the case of The State of Alabama 

vs. Jeremiah Reeves, Junior, charged with the capital offense of 
rape, and if you don’t have a valid excuse, the Court will require 
that you remain.

The following jurors were excused, with consent of the defend­
ant:

No. 33 Cline B. Pruitt 
No. 56 William E. Chalkley 
No. 5 Cecil C. Royd.
The Court: We are about to try the case of The State of Alabama 

vs. Jeremiah Reeves, Junior, charged with the capital offense of rape.
Are each of you citizens of Alabama, and been citizens for the past 

year?
Are each of you resident householders or freeholders of this 

County ?
Have each of you any fixed opinion as to the guilt or innocence of 

the defendant that would bias your verdict?
Have you any fixed opinion against capital punishment or peni­

tentiary punishment?
Culver R. Broach: I don’t think I would make a good juror. 

I am personally acquainted with one of the victims, and I am hardly 
the right person to serve.

The Court: Have you a fixed opinion as to the guilt or innocence 
of this defendant?

Culver R. Broach: What the papers comment—I have.
63 The Court: Any objection to discharging this juror?

The Solicitor: N o.
Mr. M cGee : No.
The C ourt: The juror is excused with the consent of the defendant. 
Are you willing to convict on circumstantial evidence if that 

evidence convinces you beyond a reasonable doubt?



These two requests are made by the defendant’s counsel:
Have you ever had a close relative or friend raped by a member

of the negro race?
Have you ever had any close friend or relative raped by anyone?

(The foregoing questions were propounded by the Court to each 
of the regular and special jurors present.)

The following jurors were excused for cause with consent of coun­
sel for defendant:

No. 49 Alex D. Tram 
No. 59 Lewis P. Goodwin 
No. 66 Joseph D. Jolley 
No. 72 A1 Myers.

The selection of the Jury was made in the left jury room, there 
being present:

The Court.
The Solicitor and Assistant Solicitor.
The Clerk.
The defendant and his counsel.

W est Court R oom.

12:04 o’clock P. M.

48 JEREMIAH REEVES, JR., VS. STATE OF ALABAMA

Present:
Parties as before noted.

Jury sworn.

12:06 o’clock P. M.

Witnesses for the State and defendant sworn.
Counsel for defendant requested the rale. State’s witnesses 

placed in right jury room; defendant’s witnesses in left jury 
64 room.

The Court: The Court makes the following order:
By virtue of the provisions of the Constitution of Alabama and 

laws of Alabama, and discretion vested in me as to the exclusion 
of persons from the hearing of this case, it is the order of this 
Court that all parties are excluded from the court room during 
the trial of this case, except the jurors trying the case, the officials 
of the Court, including the law enforcement officers, members of the 
Bar, and members of the press, and the relatives of the accused. 
All other persons must leave the court room, and no other person 
will be allowed to enter at any time during the trial of this case.



JEREMIAH REEVES, JR., VS. STATE OF ALABAMA 49

Motion of the defendant to allow the public to remain overruled, 
and an exception granted the defendant.

(Exception noted for the defendant by direction of the Court.)
Motion presented by defendant to exclude the public only while 

the prosecutrix testifies is overruled, and an exception granted the 
defendant.

(Exception noted for the defendant by direction of the Court.)
Mr. M cGee: I move that all persons be excluded except the jury, 

the defendant’s counsel and officials of the Court, otherwise it 
would not be within the discretion of the Court for part of the 
public to remain and others not.

The Court: The Court is still of the opinion the Court can remove 
those indicated and so rules. Let the record show Mr. McGee is 
now taking a different position in that matter.

Mr. M cGee: I ask for an exception.
The Court: Exception granted.

(Exception noted for the defendant by direction of the
65 Court.)

The Court: What about your motion to have a stenog­
rapher assist you? You may have one if you like.

Mr. M cGee: I will not press that. I cannot locate him now.
66 (Defendant’s Motion for a Continuance marked “ Defend­

ant’s Exhibit 1, 11/28/1952, WHL.” )
(Defendant’s Motion to Quash the Venire marked “ Defendant’s 

Exhibit 2, 11/28/1952, WHL.” )
(Affidavit of defendant marked “ Defendant’s Exhibit 3, 11/28/- 

1952, WHL.” )
(Defendant’s Motion for a Mistrial marked “ Defendant’s Ex­

hibit 4, 11/28/1952, WHL.” )
(Defendant’s Motion to permit the public to remain during the 

trial marked “ Defendant’s Exhibit 5, 11/28/1952, WHL.” )
(Defendant’s Motion to exclude the public from the trial while 

the prosecutrix testifies marked “ Defendant’s Exhibit 6, 11/28/- 
1952, WHL.” )

(Defendant’s Motion to permit relatives of defendant to remain 
during the trial marked “ Defendant’s Exhibit 7, 11/28/1952, 
WHL.” )

(Defendant’s motion to set aside the entire jury box marked 
“ Defendant’s Exhibit 8, 11/28/1952, WHL.” )



(Defendant’s Motion for a continuance because of absence of 
material witnesses marked “ Defendant’s Exhibit 9, 11/28/1952, 

W H L ” )

67-68 (Defendant’s motion for instanter subpoenas marked “ De­
fendant’s Exhibit 10, 11/28/1952, W HL.” )

D ependant’s E xhibit  1

In the Circuit Court of Montgomery County Criminal Term 
Case No. —
T he State 

vs.
Jebemiah R eeves, Jr.

Comes the Defendant in the above styled cause and moves the 
court to continue the trial of this cause upon the following grounds.

1. Defendant was indicted on six (6) separate cases by the Grand 
Jury of Montgomery County and three (3) of these cases, capital 
cases, were set for today, November 26th, 1952. Said three (3) 
capital indictments were rendered on November 14th, 1952. Defend­
ant was arraigned on November 14th and forced to plead to said 
three (3) capital indictments and said indictments were not served 
on the Defendant until November 17th, 1952. Furthermore Defend­
ant was not informed as to which of the three capital cases would be 
tried on the 26th and thus neither he nor his counsel has had time 
to prepare the Defendant’s defense in three (3) different capital 
cases.

2. Defendant or counsel, due to the enormity of the three (3) 
capital charges, have had insufficient time in which to prepare 
an adequate defense.

3. Going to trial under conditions set out in grounds one and 
two will be a violation of the Defendant’s constitutional rights as 
guaranteed by the 14th amendment under the Constitution of the 
United States.

4. Defendant was indicted on three different capital charges, 
all three of which were set for the same day, and the defendant was 
served a copy of the venire in only one case and that was a charge 
of robbery, a copy of which venire list is attached to this motion. 
He was not informed until the day of the trial that he would be 
tried on a rape charge and he has as yet not received a list of the 
venire or had served on him a list of the venire in the case which 
is not being tried.

(S.) John N. M cGee, Jr.,
Attorney for Defendant.

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51

69 D efendant’s Exhibit 2— Omitted. Printed Side page 36 Ante

70-72 D ependant’s Exhibit 3—Omitted. Printed Side Page 23
Ante

73 D efendant’s Exhibit  5— Omitted. Printed Side Page 25
Ante

D efendant’s Exhibit  6— Omitted. Printed Side Page 25 Ante

D efendant’s Exhibit  7—Omitted. Printed Side Page 25 Ante

74-75 D efendant’s Exhibit  8

In the Circuit Court of Montgomery County, Alabama, Criminal
Term

Case No. —

State of Alabama 

vs.

Jeremiah R eeves, Junior

Comes the defendant in the above cause and moves the court to 
set aside the entire Jury box on the following grounds:

1. The Jury Commission as presently composed is unconstitutional 
and illegal, and as set violates the constitution of the State of Ala­
bama and that of the United States.

2. The method used by the Jury Commission in selecting jurors 
violates the fourteenth amendment to the Constitution of the 
United States and violates the Constitution of Alabama.

3. The jury box was illegally filled by a group of men set up as 
jury commissioners under an act of the legislature that is in viola­
tion of Section 105 of the Constitution of the State of Alabama which 
prohibits the passage of a local act in any case which is provided 
for by a general law.

4. The jury box is illegally filled by a group of men acting without 
legal and constitutional authority.

5. The jury commission of Montgomery as set up under a local 
act is illegal as said local act is unconstitutional and in violation of 
section 105 of the Constitution of the Sovereign State of Alabama.

JEREMIAH REEVES, JR., VS. STATE OF ALABAMA

Attorney for Defendant.



52 JEREMIAH REEVES, JR., VS. STATE OF ALABAMA

76-77 12:27 O’clock P. M.

Adjourned Until 2 O’clock P. M. 
2 O’clock P. M.

West Court Room

Present:
The C ourt.
The Jury .
The Solicitor, and A ssistant Solicitor.
The defendant and his counsel.

E vidence on B ehalf of th e  State

M abel A nn  Crowder, having been duly sworn, was examined and 
testified as follow s:

D irect ex am in atio n .

By the Solicitor:

Q. Will you state your name to the jury, please?
A. My name is Mabel Ann Crowder.
Q. Where do you live?
A. At the present time I live at 124 North Capitol Parkway.
Q. Where were you living on July 28th of this year?

A. I was living at that time at 3852 Cleveland Avenue.
78 Q. You say he had a hat. What kind of hat was it?

A. A straw hat.
Q. Do you remember how he was dressed?
A. He had on light blue trousers, a dark shirt with yellow designs 

on it—either blue or black; I think blue—maybe it was a blue shirt 
— with yellow-gold designs.

Q. After this rape where did you go?
A. I went to my next door neighbor’s house, Mrs. Struchko.

79 Q. What did she do for you?
A. I told her—

Mr. M cGee: I object.

By the Solicitor:

Q. Don’t tell what you told her. Just what did she do?
A. She notified the police and my husband. She washed the 

bruises on my head and gave me codeine tablets, I believe one 
quarter grain codeine, and ammonia and water, spirits of ammonia 
and water.



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Q. Where did you go after that, or where were you taken after 
that?

A. After the policemen and detectives and all came to talk with 
me I was taken to Maxwell Air Force base hospital.

Q. How long vrere you out there?
A. Four days.
Q. Who treated you out there, what doctors saw' you there?
A. Colonel Kojak and Major Zarling.
Q. Are you still under treatment out there?
A. Yes; I am,
Q. For what?
A. Head injury.
Q. Do you remember how many times he hit your head on the 

floor?
A. I remember thirteen times my head hit the floor. After that 1 

don’t know whether it hit more times, or not.
Q. That is when he had you by the hair?
A. Yes, sir. He had me by the hair and was beating my head 

against the floor.
Q. Do you remember any conversation, anything that he said 

there at the time of the rape or immediately afterwards?
A. He said once—

Mr. M cGee: I object. It is irrelevant to the facts in issue.
The Court: I think the witness has a right to testify to any 

statement the accused made in her presence, if he made any.
Mr. M cGee: I would like an exception.
The Court: Exception for the defendant.
(Exception noted for the defendant by direction of the Court.) 

By the Court:
Q. You may go ahead and answer the question.
A. Once he said, “ I ought to kill you.” And that is all I remem­

ber him saying, other than what I said.

80 By the Solicitor:
Q. Other than what you have already said?

A. Yes.
Q. I believe you testified this happened on July 28th?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Of 1952?
A. Yes.
q ’ The place that this happened is in Montgomery County?
A. Yes.
Q. The City and County of Montgomery?
A. Yes.



54 JEREMIAH REEVES, JR., VS. STATE OF ALABAMA

Q. When was the next time you saw this defendant?
A. It was just a few days ago when I was taken down to Police 

Headquarters to identify him.
Q. You hadn’t seen him at any time after that except when you 

saw him at Police Headquarters?
A. No.
Mr. M cGee: I object to that as a self-serving answer. I object 

to it on the ground it calls for a self-serving, answer.
The Court: Overrule the objection.
Mr. M cGee: I would like an exception.
The Court: Exception granted.
(Exception noted for the defendant by direction of the Court.)
Mr. M cGee: I would like to move to have the answer excluded on 

the ground it was given before my objection.
The Court: The motion is overruled.
Mr. M cGee: Grant me an exception.
The Court: Exception granted.

- (Exception noted for the defendant by direction of the Court. )

By the Solicitor:
Q. Where was he at Police Headquarters when you saw him?
A. He was in a room on the right side of the building down where 

the detectives’ offices are, and I saw him. through the glass.
Q. Did you, or did you not, then make a positive identification 

at that time?
81 Mr. M cGee: I object to anything not in the presence of 

the defendant, and on the ground it is hearsay.
The Court: She has a right to say whether she recognized him or 

not. Overrule the objection.
Mr. M cGee: I would like to have an exception.
The Court: Exception given the defendant.
(Exception noted for the defendant by direction of the Court.)

By the Solicitor:
Q. Will you answer the question.
A. I did.
Mr. M cGee: I move to exclude the answer on the ground of 

hearsay.
The Court: Objection overruled.
Mr. M cGee: I would like an exception.
The Court: Exception granted the defendant.
(Exception noted for the defendant by direction of the Court.)



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By the Solicitor:

Q. Subsequently did you talk to this defendant?
A. I don’t understand the question. What do you mean by sub­

sequently?
Q. Right afterwards.
A. Yes; I did.
Q. Where did you talk to him?
A. In one of the rooms there at Police Headquarters, the detec­

tives’ office.
Q. Do you know who else was present at that time?
A. I can name a few of the men who were present. And the la­

dies with me, I didn’t know everyone.
Q. Will you name those you know who were there?
A. Miss Pearl Barron, and Miss Sullivan and I were the only 

ladies present in the room. Lt. Miller was in there. I don’t know 
the names of the policemen there. There were other men present.

Q. Did you coerce or threaten this defendant, or offer him any 
promise or hope of reward?

A. No; I did not.
Q. Did anyone in your presence and hearing threaten this de­

fendant, or coerce him, or offer him anything, or any promise of 
reward?

82 A. No, sir.
Q. Will you tell the Jury—

Mr. M cGee: I object.
The C ourt: I haven’t heard the question yet.

By the Solicitor:

Q. Will you tell the jury what conversation, if any, you had with 
this defendant at that time?

A. Yes, sir.
Mr. M cGee: At this time I would like to interpose an objection 

if this testimony about to be given is something in the nature of a 
confession. I would like to file a motion to exclude it until we know 
the nature of it in the absence of the Jury as to whether or not such 
a confession would be admissible.

The Court : Y ou have a m otion?
Mr. M cGee: Yes, sir.
The C ourt: The Court will allow you to state your motion ver­

bally to save time.
Mr. M cGee: I have one in writing. If the Court please, I will 

go ahead and dictate it into the record.
The defendant moves the Court to grant him a hearing in the 

absence of the Jury as to whether or not the confession, or any



alleged confession, made by him is admissible upon the following 
grounds:

1. Certain statements and admissions were extracted from the 
defendant by the officers of the State of Alabama while the de­
fendant was being held incommunicado at Kilby Penitentiary and 
said statements "were extracted only after continual questioning for 
periods of hours, and after threats and abuse.

2. Upon the further ground that part of the time while the de­
fendant was being questioned, he was questioned in the room with 
the electric chair, and was offered the hope and promise by such 
officers that if he would confess he would thus save his life and 
keep out of the chair.

The Court: I understand this particular conversation the State 
is asking about is a conversation that took place at City Hall?

The Solicitor: That is correct.
The Court: Is it in the nature of a confession?

The Solicitor: It is in the nature of a confession, and 
83 also is in the nature of an admission against interest—both.

The Court: All right. The Court will conduct a prelim­
inary investigation limited to anything that may have happened 
preliminarily to this conversation.

We ask that the Jury be taken out. You are not to talk about 
this case, or even discuss it among yourselves. The matter raised is 
a matter of law that I shall hear first as a preliminary matter to 
determine whether you should hear the evidence at all.

(The Jury retired to the Jury Room in charge of the bailiff.)

The Court: Let the record show a preliminary hearing as to the 
admissibility of the statement made is had before the Court out of 
the presence of the Jury, at the request of the defendant.

I will let the defendant cross-examine the prosecutrix all that 
happened in the presence of the defendant, anything that took place 
in her presence. You may examine her now as to what happened. 
That will not interfere with your right to cross-examine her later 
on any evidence she has already given.

By Mr. M cGee:

Q. Do you remember what date you went down to Police Head­
quarters?

A. Which time?
Q. The time we are talking about you talked to the defendant.
A. It was on Monday—Wednesday—the 10th, I believe.

The Solicitor: Wednesday would be the 12th.

56 JEREMIAH REEVES, JR., VS. STATE OF ALABAMA



By the C ourt :

Q. The day after Armistice Day?
A. Yes. I don’t know. I know it was Wednesday. I am pretty 

sure it was the 12th.

By Mr. M cGee:
Q. What time Wednesday, do you remember?
A. I think I went down in the morning, at 11 o ’clock, I believe.
Q. And, of course, he was in custody at the time you talked to 

him? There were police officers present, I mean.
A. Yes.
Q. You didn’t know what had taken place before you got there?
A. No; I didn’t.
Q. Did the police say anything to him while you were there 

before you started talking to him?
84 A. I believe Miller asked him when we first walked in the 

room, Miller asked him did he recognize any of us, and that 
is all that was said. Someone said when he hesitated to answer the 
question, he said, “ that is all right, go on and talk.”

Q. Did you start the conversation with him?
A. After he answered Captain Miller,— let me think just a mo­

ment—no; I wasn’t the first of the women to speak to him,
Q. When that conversation between you and him took place, 

were you the first to speak, or did he speak first?
A. I spoke first.
Q. What did you say?
A. I went in for one purpose, to ask him why he done it, and I 

asked him that question.
The Solicitor: I don’t believe it is proper to go into what she 

said.
The C ourt: N o. The statement was limited to whether any 

statement he made was made voluntarily.

By the C ourt:

Q. Did anybody at that time threaten him or offer him anything 
if he was to testify?

A. No, sir.

By Mr. M cGee:
Q. You don’t recall all who were present there?
A. No; I don’t know all the gentlemen present.
Q. You don’t know whether they made any threats shortly before 

you came in there?
A. I know nothing that went on before I went into the room.

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58 JEREMIAH REEVES, JR., VS. STATE OF ALABAMA

Q. As far as that goes, you don’t know what went on then from 
the time he was picked up, do you?

A. No, sir; I don’t.
Q. Did the police tell you he had confessed?
A. No. The Solicitor came into the room and didn’t tell me 

anything, but handed me a typewritten confession.
Q. He handed you a typewritten confession when you first got 

to Headquarters?
A. Yes, sir. But the confession wasn’t signed.
Q. It had his name on it?

A. Yes, sir.
85 Q. Did they tell you at the time you were taken in this 

room------
A. Which time in which room?
Q. The room thay had taken you to.
A. They had told me that previously when they called me to 

come down there.

By the C ourt :
Q. At the time you were there, did you see any evidence of him 

being put in fear, or anybody threaten him, or anything of that kind?
A. Absolutely not.
The C ourt : The Court rules this statement voluntary, she is 

qualified to testify to any conversation that took place at that time. 
The Court rules preliminarily any statement made was voluntarily 
given, and the credibility of it will be given to the Jury.

Mr. M cGee: May I introduce evidence in rebuttal? I now call 
the defendant to show the reasons why he made a statement to her. 
I am going to show the real reasons as I develop these facts.

The Court : If you have evidence as to this particular statement, 
I will let it go in. The Court rules as a matter of law on this evi­
dence, unless you have anything to rebut it, the State made a show­
ing that this statement was voluntarily given.

Mr. M cGee: I have evidence at the time he was arrested he was 
held incommunicado and wasn’t able to see anybody until Wednes­
day afternoon.

The C ourt : The only issue I have before me at this time is 
whether this statement was voluntarily given.

Mr. M cGee: I would like to make an offer to show at the time 
of this conversation the defendant had been held since the 10th, 
about two o’clock on the afternoon of the 10th, up until this conver­
sation, incommunicado, and was denied permission to talk or to 
phone to anyone, to any of his relatives and friends, friends and rel­
atives hadn’t been allowed to see him or to hold a conversation, 
and up to the time he was carried down to Police Headquarters the 
defendant was held in the State Penitentiary at Kilby.



JEREMIAH REEVES, JR., VS. STATE OF ALABAMA 59

And further, the defendant is a seventeen year old negro boy, 
seventeen in August of 1952, and that he quit school while in the 
8th grade. That is the offer I would like to make. May I show 

that?
86 The C ourt : Having stated for the record what you intend 

to show, and nothing being applicable to this particular occa­
sion, the offer is denied and the statement will be admitted.

Mr. M cGee: I would like to have an exception.
The C ourt: Y ou m ay have an exception.

(Exception noted for the defendant by direction of the Court.)
(At 2:30 o ’clock P. M. the Jury returned to the Courtroom.)
The C ourt: The State may proceed with the examination of this 

witness.

By the Solicitor:

Q. I am going to ask you the question over again. The question 
I asked was this. Did he make any statement to you down at 
Police Headquarters on the 12th, Wednesday, the 12th of November? 
Did you have a conversation with him?

A. Yes, sir; I did.
Q. I would like you to tell the Jury what conversation you had 

with him, who asked the first question, what the reply was, as best 
you remember.

A. I asked the first question.
Q. What was the question, what did you ask him?
A. “Why did you do it?” And to that he just shook his head, and 

later he said, “ I don’t know.”
Q. Did he deny he raped you?
A. No, he did not.
Q. Did he recognize you?
A. Yes.

Mr. M cGee: I object.

By the Solicitor:

Q. Let me put it this way. Did he say anything that would show 
he recognized you?

A. Yes, he did.
Q. What did he say?
A. He was asked -which house was I in— “yhere do you remember 

her from?” And he told them, “ Cleveland Avenue, the first one.”
Q. “ Cleveland Avenue, the first one” ?
A. Yes.



Q. He said that to you at that time?
87 A. He was speaking to someone else, but I was in the room.

Q. Did you have any other conversation with him your­
self?

A. Yes. I asked him by which door he entered the house, and he 
said he entered by the back door.

Q. I want you to look at this defendant. Now, do you positively 
identify him as the man who raped you?

A. Yes.
Q. I will ask you this. Have you any mental reservation whatso­

ever?
A. No.
Mr. M cGee: I object, and move to exclude the answer on the 

ground it is self-serving and prejudicial.
The C ourt : Sustain the objection to the last question and allow 

it to be stricken.

By the Solicitor:
Q. I would like for you to go back to the actual rape itself. When 

he came to the door of the room you testified you were sitting down. 
Did you get up?

A. Yes, sir.
Mr. M cGee: I object to the question on the ground it is predi­

cated on a question assuming a fact in issue.
The C ourt: Assuming what fact in issue?
Mr. M cGee: Assuming the fact he raped her.
The C ourt: She has already testified he did. Objection overruled. 

You would have the right to cross-examine her. Previously she 
testified he did without any objection.

Mr. M cGee: I would like to have an exception.
The Court : You may have an exception.
(Exception noted for the defendant by direction of the Court.)

By the Solicitor:
Q. Did you get up?
A. Yes; I got up. I was sitting in the room in a rocking-chair, 

and when I looked in the mirror and saw him I got up and turned 
around, and that is when I said, “ get out of here.”

Mr. M cGee: I move to exclude the answer on the ground it is not 
responsive to the question and has nothing to do with what he asked 
her.

The Court : Overrule the objection.
88 Mr. M cGee: I would like an exception.

The Court : You may have an exception.

(Exception noted for the defendant by direction of the Court.)

60  JEREMIAH REEVES, JR., VS. STATE OF ALABAMA



By the Solicitor:

Q. When did he first put his hands on you?
A. When he first came across the room after I had told him to get 

out. Then he put his hands on my throat.
Q. On your throat?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. With both hands on your throat?
A. Yes. And he took both hands this way, and then he moved 

and had one hand down here this way, and was holding my arms 
because I was struggling.

Q. He did hold your arms?
A. Yes.
Q. When did he force you back on the bed?
A. After he had made me take my panties off, then he forced me 

across the side of the bed. It wasn’t the center of the bed, more 
or less across the foot of the bed.

Q. At that time was he still holding your hands?
A. He had one hand on my throat, and was holding my right arm, 

holding me by the arm.
Q. On which hand did you have the broken fingernails?
A. On my right hand.
Q. Did you at any time ever hit at him?
A. Yes. If I struck him, I wasn’t conscious of actually striking 

him.
Q. Did he hold your hands during the whole time as long as he 

was on the bed?
A. He tore loose of me with one arm and took his pants, un­

zipped his pants, or unbuttoned them, whatever it was—I don’t 
know which it was—then he grabbed my hand again because I was 
trying to fight him off, but I couldn’t.

Q. How much do you weigh?
A. I weigh between 96 and 100 pounds.
Q. When you talked to the police did you give them a description 

of the defendant?
A. Yes.

89 Q. Did you tell them how he was dressed?
A. Yes.

Q. Had you ever seen this defendant before?
A. Not to my knowledge.
Q. Not to your knowledge before July 28th?
A. No, sir.

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62 JEREMIAH REEVES, JR., VS. STATE OF ALABAMA

C ross-exam ination .

By Mr. M cGee:
Q. Do you remember what kind of a day that was, whether it was 

clear, bright, cloudy or what?
A. Well, it wasn’t raining. I would say it was clear, bright day.
Q. The sun was shining.
A. The sun was shining later when I went to the hospital. I 

don’t know whether it was shining at the particular moment he was 
at the house, or not.

Q. You say you had a number of head injuries from, the scuffle 
and are still under treatment for head injuries at Maxwell Field?

A. Yes, sir.
Q. You mentioned a Colonel and Major in the Medical Base.
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Approximately how many times was your head struck?
A. Thirteen times to my knowledge my head hit the floor.
Q. Were you knocked unconscious?
A. I passed out.
Q. How long altogether was this man who was in your room, was 

he in there?
A. I don’t know how long he stayed after I passed out.
Q. Approximately what time was it when you went over to the 

neighbor’s?
A. She called the police about a minute after I got there, I 

suppose.
Q. What time was it?
A. 12:40 when she called.
Q. It was about 12:15 when you first saw this man; is that right?
A. Yes.
Q. Is that correct?
A. Approximately 12:15.
Q. Did he have on a coat?

A. No.
90 Q. About how tall was he?

A. I don’t know exactly. I judge he was only about 5.9 
and one-half or 10.

Q. How much did he weigh?
A. I was no judge of that.
Q. No judge of it?
A. No. I said between one hundred and thirty and one hundred 

and fifty.
Q. He didn’t have any coat or anything, just a shirt.
A. Just a shirt.
Q. When did the police first come to you after the 10th? Did 

you read about this boy being picked up on the 10th?



A. I heard in the newspaper a woman had been attacked.
Q. Did the police come to see you as soon as they picked him up? 
A. No.
Q. When did the police contact you after he was picked up?
A. They contacted me that evening, they called me and told me 

I might have to go out to Kilby to look at him. And then they 
called me later and said they would be around for the next after­
noon out at Kilby.

Q. So they called you up the same night and told you?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. To be the next afternoon at Kilby?
A. Yes.
Q. Did you go to Kilby the next afternoon?
A. No. They changed their plans.
Q. Did they talk to you again after that?
A. Yes.
Q. When did they next call you? Did they come out to see you 

on Tuesday?
A. They didn’t come out to see me. I cannot remember whether 

they called me, or not, I had so many telephone calls during those 
few days.

Q. They did contact you again after Monday night?
A. Yes.
Q. When was that?
A. I just answered that question. I said I didn’t know.
Q. Was it on Friday?
A. It couldn’t have been on Friday because I identified the boy 

on Wednesday.
91 Q. I want to get the date to the best of your recollection.

A. They probably called me on Tuesday to let me know 
I were to go downtown Wednesday.

Q. What time of day did they call you, morning or afternoon?
A. I don’t remember.
Q. Did anyone come out there to see you?
A. No, not until the policemen came to take me down.
Q. When did the policemen came out there?
A. Wednesday before 11 o’clock.
Q. Wednesday morning?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Do you know what policeman it was?
A. I believe he was a detective. I think he was new on the 

force.
Q. You don’t remember his name?
A. No.
Q. Was he by himself?
A. He was by himself. Horton, or Hogan, something like that. 

I don’t know the name.

JEREMIAH REEVES, JR., VS. STATE OB' ALABAMA 63



Q. Did he have any conversation with you when he saw you 
out there?

A. Just the usual “ how are you, nice day, isn’t it?”
Q. Did he get out of the car and come in the house?
A. He got out of the car and came up to the door, and I asked 

him to wait a minute until I wrote my husband a note.
Q. Did he tell you what he wanted with you?
A. They called me from Police Headquarters that morning and 

told me they would send out and pick me up.
Q. He told you he was ordered to pick you up, I suppose.
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Told, you you were going down to look at this man?
A. He didn’t mention why. He said they told him to come out 

and pick me up.
Q. Did they tell you that morning they wanted you to come down 

and look at this negro?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Had you heard about a confession before that?
A. No; I hadn’t.
Q. When did the confession come up? You say after you got 

to Headquarters the Solicitor said that he had confessed.
A. The Solicitor said he had confessed when I walked in 

there.
92 Q. That is before you saw the boy; is that correct?

A. Yes, sir.
Q. Do you know how many pictures they made altogether of 

this boy?
A. Made of him?
Q. Yes.
A. I don’t know anything about that. I never saw a picture of 

him.
Q. Did you read the paper on Tuesday?
A. I probably did. I don’t know which article you are refer­

ring to.
Q. The article in the paper they wrote about him and carried 

his picture.
A. That wasn’t until after I had identified him, was it?
Q. Do you remember the article which you read and had his 

picture in the newspaper?
A. I remember the article, but I don’t remember which paper it 

was printed in.
Q. You saw his picture in the paper?
A. I saw the picture, yes.
Q. The police officers, didn’t they tell you they had the nigger 

that raped you?
A. No, they didn’t. They said they had a negro for me to 

look at.

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JEREMIAH REEVES, JR., VS. STATE OE ALABAMA 65

Q. The solicitor showed you a typed confession with this negro’s 
name on it before you ever looked at this colored boy?

A. I looked at him through the window.
Q. Before you ever looked at the negro boy?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. They told you to look through the glass window?
A. That is correct.
Q. He was the only negro in there, was he not?
A. That is correct.
Q. In your original complaint how old did you tell the police 

that man was you saw?
A. I said seventeen to twenty-five.
Q. Did you say he was about six feet tall?
A. I said he was taller than my husband. I didn’t know.
Q. You said he was taller than your husband. How tall is your 

husband?
A. Five feet nine.
Q. Did you tell them he was a pretty heavy set man?

A. No; I did not.
93 Q. Did you tell them he had a mustache?

A. He didn’t have a mustache.
Q. Did you tell the police he has a mustache?
A, No; I did not.
Q. Did the police show you the pictures they took of him?
A. I never saw a picture of him until the one in the paper.
Q. Did the police show you any pictures of him at all?
A, Not of this particular boy, no.
Q. Were you pretty excited that morning when you went to see 

that man? I imagine you were, weren’t you?
A. Yes, sir; I was.
Q. You were pretty frightened or scared?
A. Which morning do you mean, back in July?
Q. The morning you were raped by this man in your room.
A. Yes, sir, I was scared.
Q. About how long did you look at this boy before he jumped 

on you, just a second?
A. Oh, possibly five or six seconds.
Q. You turned around and saw him, and screamed, and said, 

“ get out,” and he jumped you; is that correct?
A. Yes.
Q. He held your throat with one hand and the right arm with 

the other hand?
A. Yes.
Q. You told us before, you said he had intercourse with you. 

Before he had intercourse with you, you struck at him one time, 
but didn’t hit him?

A. I cannot say how many times I struck at him.



66 JEKEMIAH BEEVES, JB., VS. STATE OP ALABAMA

Q. On direct examination here you say you hit at him once and 
missed him; is that right?

A. I said I know of once I hit at him and missed him. I know 
I hit at him more than once.

Q. Which hand did you have the broken fingernails on?
A. The broken fingernails were on my right hand.
Q. He was holding your right hand?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. And held your neck all the time?
A. Yes.

Q. With his right hand?
94 A. No. He was holding my neck most of the time.

Q. Did you scratch at him with your left hand?
A. Yes.
Q. Did you scratch him?
A. I hit at him. I wasn’t conscious of ever striking him.
Q. He wasn’t doing any talking at this time, was he?
A. No.
Q. The only conversation he had with you was after it was over; 

is that correct?
A. That’s correct.
Q. After it was over was when this man said he would kill you 

if you reported it?
A. That is right.
Q. Before this happened he didn’t make any threats to kill or 

say a word; is that correct?
A. That is correct.
Q. You say he was holding you by the neck with his right hand 

and was holding your right arm, and he made you take your 
pants off?

A. Yes.
Q. You took them off yourself; is that correct?
A. Yes.
Q. And all this time never said a word to you?
A. I didn’t say that.
Q. Until after the intercourse, I believe you said.
A. He had told me to quit screaming.
Q. And that is all he said, “ quit screaming?”
A. And “ shut up,” yes.
Q. I believe this was July 28th, and the next time you ever looked 

at a nigger you thought might have attacked you was on Novem­
ber the 12th, is that correct?

A. No. I had looked at two.
Q. You had looked at two negroes before that?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. On no other niggers had the Solicitor given you a typed con­

fession?



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A. No.
Q, Before you looked at them?
A. No. I was shown pictures of them.

Q. They was in a line-up of niggers is that right?
95 A. Yes, sir.

Q. Had some other niggers in the line; is that correct?
A. Yes.
Q. How many different line-ups did you look at?
A. I have no idea. Quite a few.
Q. Are you acquainted with Mrs. Burson now?
A. No.
Q. Was there any other women in there with you at the time 

you talked to him?
A. Yes.
Q. Did they say anything to him?
A. Yes.
Q. Do you know Mrs. Kathrine Trawick?
A. I think I met her.
Q. Was she down there?
A. I don’t know where she was. There was quite a few women 

down there I never met before.
Q. About how long did you stay with him at that time, on 

Wednesday?
A. Several minutes.

R e-birect exam ination .

By the Solicitor:

Q. You said you did scream?
Mr. M cGee: Object to the question as leading.
The C ourt: I will sustain the objection on that ground.

By the Solicitor:

Q. Did you, or did you not, scream at that time?
A. I did.
Q. Do you remember how many times you screamed?
Mr. M cGee: I object. This is not re-direct.
The C ourt : Y ou didn’t object before. You m ay ask it one time.

By the Solicitor:

Q. Do you remember how many times you screamed?
A. No.
Q. In your best judgment, was it more than once?



Mr. M cGee: I object to the question because the witness has 
shown herself disqualified to answer it by the previous an­

swer.
96 The Court: She testified she doesn’t remember how many

times, so I will sustain this objection.

Lois Struchko , having been duly sworn, was examined and tes­
tified as follow s:

D irect exam ination .

By the Solicitor:
Q. Will you tell us your name, please.
A. Lois Struchko.
Q. Where were you living on August 28th of this year?
A. At 3846 Cleveland.
Q. Do you know Mrs. Ann Crowder?
A. Yes, sir; I do.
Q. Where was your house in relation to her house?
A. Right next door.
Q. Did you see her on that day?
A. Not before she came to my front door.
Q. She came to your front door?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Approximately what time was this?
A. It was 12:40.
Q. Will you describe her condition to the Jury at the time she 

came to your door?
A. Well, she was in a terrific state of shock, hysteria, crying, and 

she was badly bruised and bleeding, and she was so nervous that 
she just couldn’t hardly talk until I brought her in the house and 
made her sit down, and I found out what was wrong with her and 
I called the police.

Q. Did she complain to you she had been raped?
A. This is the way she told me— she had been beaten and raped 

by a nigger.
Q. Did you give her anything?
A. Yes, sir; I did.
Q. Tell the Jury what you gave her.
A. I gave her a few drops of spirits of ammonia and water to 

calm her nerves down. And she complained of her head hurting. 
She had lacerations on her head, and then I gave her a codeine tab­

let, and then put cold compresses on her head. That is all. 
97 Q. Did you say she was bleeding?

A. Yes, sir, she was. Her head was bleeding on the right
side.

Q. How was she dressed when she came over there?

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JEREMIAH REEVES, JR., VS. STATE OF ALABAMA 69

A. She had on brown loafers, a white housecoat with flowers in 
it, her bras, her panties and garter belt.

Q. Do you know where she went from your house?
A. I took her to the hospital.
Q. What hospital did you take her to?
A. Maxwell Air Force Base.

C ross-exam ination .

By Mr. McGee:
Q. You say this is on August the 28th?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. August 28th of 1952, this year?
A. That is correct.
Q. What day was it?
A. On a Monday.
Q. About what time was it she knocked at your door?
A. I would say approximately 12:40.
Q. Was your door opened at that time?
A. No, sir. It was not. My door is always closed and locked.
Q. Did she in her conversation with you give you any descrip­

tion?
A. Yes, sir, she did.
Q. How tall did she tell you that nigger was, six feet?
A. No, sir. She said he was medium height, she judged around 

5.10.
Q. Do you know how tall her husband is?
A. Off hand, I cannot say.
Q. Did she tell you he was taller than her husband?
A. No, she did not.
Q. Did she tell you he was around twenty-five?
A. No, sir.
Q. Did she describe his color, or whether he had a mustache, or 

anything?
A. She did.
Q. Did she say he had a mustache?
A. No, she did not.
Q. Did she say he didn’t have one?
A. She didn’t say mustache. She didn’t mention anything about 

mustache.
98 Q. You don’t know whether she said he had a mustache, 

or not?
A. No mustache mentioned whatever.
Q. Did she mention anything about how he was dressed?
A. Yes, sir.
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70 JEREMIAH REEVES, JR., VS. STATE OF ALABAMA

A. Blue trousers.
Q. Do you remember?
A. Yes, sir, I do.
Q. Did you hear any scream?
A. No, sir.
Q. Didn’t hear any scream that day?
A. No, sir.
Q. She lived next door to your property?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. That was summertime?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. A warm day?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Sun shining?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Were the windows up?
A. No. They were all locked.
Q. You had all your windows closed?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. On a hot August day?
A. I had a window fan in my dining room so I had the house 

closed except one window.
Q. How close is her house to your house?
A. Do you want it in feet or yards?
Q. I would appreciate it by yards.
A. I would judge roughly about six or eight yards.
Q. You were side by side?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Do you remember if her house at that time had a window 

fan, or anything?
A. It did not.
Q. Were the windows up?
A. Her bedroom windows were not up.

Q. You remember her bedroom windows were not up?
99 A. Yes, sir.

Q. Does she have a big fan or anything?
A. No, sir.
Q. The windows were down?
A. Yes, sir, they were.
Q. You remember that?
A. Yes, sir, I do.
Q. Did you go and check up later? You say you remember the 

bedroom windows were down. Didn’t you take her straight to the 
hospital from your house?

A. No, sir, not until after the detectives and police came out 
and gave me permission to take her to the hospital.

Q. Did you go to her house before you went to the hospital?



A. I went out in my front yard and looked.
Q. Haven’t the police talked to you about this case?
A. No, sir.
Q. Haven’t they talked to you about it?
A. No.
Q. Have you ever talked to the police about the case?
A. No; I have not.

W. R. C lark , having been duly sworn, was examined and testi­
fied as follow s:

D irect exam ination .

By the Solicitor:

Q. Will you state your name to the Jury, please.
A. Wilmer Rucker Clark, Jr.
Q. What is your occupation?
A. Salesman.
Q. Where were you at approximately one o ’clock on the 28th of 

July of this year?
A. At approximately one o’clock I was proximately at the corner 

of Fairview Avenue and Cleveland.
Q. Now, around that time did you see this defendant here?
A. Previous to that time.
Mr. M cGe e : I object to the question as leading.

By the Solicitor:

Q. What time did you see him?

100 The C ourt: He can answer the question yes or no. Over­
rule the objection.

Mr. M cGe e : I would like an exception.
The C ourt : You m ay have an exception.
(Exception noted for the defendant by direction of the Court.) 

By the Solicitor:

Q. What time did you see this defendant?
A. It was some short time before one.
Q. Where did you see him?
A. At the corner of National and Cleveland.
Q. Where were you going at that time?

Mr. M cG e e : I object to the question as immaterial and a hear­
say answer, an irrelevant and prejudicial answer.

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72 JEREMIAH REEVES, JR., VS. STATE OF ALABAMA

The Court : On the question of relevancy, I will sustain the ob­
jection to where he was going.

The Solicitor: I believe I can connect it up and show where 
it is relevant.

By the Solicitor:

Q. Did you have a conversation with this defendant?
A. Yes.
Q. Which direction were you going when you first saw him?
A. I was at a dead stop at the corner of Cleveland and National. 

I had stopped because there is a stop sign there, and that is the 
first time I had seen this person.

Q. What was he doing when you first saw him?
A. He was running up the street toward Fairview Avenue.
Q. Did you have a conversation with him at that time?
A. I had a very limited one.
Q. What did he say to you and what did you say to him?
A. He inquired of me a ride. I asked him where he was going, 

and he said to town, so I offered him a ride.
Q. Where did he ride in your car?
A. He rode in the back seat.
Q. Where did you let him out?
A. At the corner of Fairview and Cleveland.
Q. That is where he got out of the car?
A. Yes, sir.

Q. He got in where?
101 A. At the comer of National and Cleveland.

Q. Approximately how many blocks did you carry him?
A. I say approximately five or six, whatever it is from there to 

Fairview Avenue.
Q. Did he ask to be put out?
A. Yes.
Q. Did you notice anything unusual about the defendant?
A. Yes, sir; I did.
Q. What was it?
A. First of all, it is customary for anyone asking a ride of any­

one else, with anyone else, to be courteous.

Mr. M cGee: I move to strike the answer on the ground it is 
prejudicial and not responsive to the question.

The Court: The objection is sustained as to any discourtesy, or 
anything of that kind.

By the Solicitor:

Q. Did you notice anything unusual about this defendant from 
a physical standpoint?



Mr. M cGee: That is objected to, unless he makes it more clear 
what is meant by unusual, unless it can be connected up with this 
case.

The Solicitor: I would like to finish the question.
The C ourt: Go ahead.

By the Solicitor:

Q. Did you notice anything unusual about him in a physical 
manner?

Mr. M cGee: I object.
The Court : Overrule the objection.
Mr. M cGee: I would like an exception.
The Court : Exception for the defendant.
(Exception noted for the defendant by direction of the Court.)

By the Solicitor:

Q. You may answer the question.
A. That individual was dressed very neatly, but was sweating 

profusely and smelled very loudly.
Q. Can you tell us how he was dressed?
A. Only approximately. I have an impression, a loud shirt, 

straw hat, neatly pressed pants.
Q. Do you remember the color of the pants?

102 A. My impression is the pants were blue.
Q. Have you seen this defendant from that time to this 

day, have you seen him since then?
A. Yes.
Q. Where did you see him?
A. In the jail.
Q. In the Montgomery County Jail?
A. Across the street, whatever that is, the jail across the street 

from the courthouse.
Q. Who was with you when you saw him?
A. There was one officer, one detective, present.
Q. Do you know who he was?
A. I don’t recall his name. I was introduced, but I don’t recall 

his name.
Q. Did you have a conversation with this defendant?
A. Yes, sir: I did.
Q. Who was present besides yourself?
A. One officer.
Q. Whose name you don’t know.
A. Right.
Q. Did you threaten this defendant, did you offer him anything, 

did you coerce him?

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74 JEREMIAH REEVES, JR., VS. STATE OF ALABAMA

A. Definitely not.
Q. Did anyone offer him anything, promise him anything, give 

him any hope or promise of reward in your presence or hearing?
A. No.
Q. Will you tell the Jury the conversation you had with this 

defendant?
Air. M cGee: I would like to have the witness questioned if this 

is going to be in the nature of a confession.
The Court: Have you any testimony as to this particular occa­

sion contrary to what has been testified to?
Mr. M cGee: I might have. To save the time of the Court to 

prepare a statement, I can tell you what I have in mind.
The Court : You may state right here what you have in mind.
Mr. M cGee: The evidence I have is that he was picked up by 

two deputies, and, according to what the Sheriff, the Chief Deputy 
told me, he was only there for about two minutes and carried 

103 on out to Kilby. That is what the Sheriff and Chief Deputy 
told me. The defendant tells me at the time he was picked up 

by two deputies, on his way down to the County Jail he was threat­
ened and worried by the two deputies carrying him. I think such 
evidence as that would be admissible, if he was only there two 
minutes, have some effect on anything he said.

The C ourt: I will overrule the objection to it.
Mr. M cGee: I move the Court to grant a hearing on the admis­

sibility of this alleged confession on the ground that certain state­
ments were extracted by officers of the State of Alabama from this 
seventeen year old colored defendant while he was being held in­
communicado in the State Penitentiary at Kilby in Montgomery 
County, Alabama, and that said statements were extracted from the 
defendant after he had been continuously questioned, questioning 
in a series for a long period of time, for a period of hours, which 
questioning took part of at least two days, and part of the 
questioning was done in the room with the electric chair. And also 
during such questioning certain officers told the defendant if he 
confessed that would keep him out of the electric chair, and other­
wise he was going to fry. And such conduct violated the defend­
ant’s rights under the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution 
of the United States.

By the Court:
Q. Did you have conversation with this Defendant in Kilby 

Prison?
A. No, sir.
The Court : The motion is overruled.
Mr. M cGee: I would like to have an exception.



JEREMIAH BEEVES, JR,, VS. STATE OF ALABAMA 75

The Court: Y ou may have an exception.

(Exception noted for the defendant by direction of the Court.)

By the Solicitor:

Q. You can refresh your recollection on the calendar back here, 
and I will ask you if you recall what date you saw the defendant 
in the County Jail.

A. I couldn’t say.
Q. Look at the calendar over there to refresh your recollection. 
A. I think it was the 17th.
Q. Did the defendant recognize you?
A. He stated that he did.

Q. Will you tell us what other conversation you had with 
104 him?

A. Well, I asked him if I was the person that picked him 
up and he said, “ yes, sir, you are.”

Q. Did he say where you had picked him up?
A. I included that in my question. He said the corner of National 

and Cleveland.
Q. And he said that you were the one that picked him up?
A. He said, “yes, sir; I am the one you picked up.”
Q. Do you know where Airs. Crowder was living at that time? 
A. I do approximately. She lived at that time about—
Mr. M cGee: I object.
The C ourt : If this is a guess, I sustain the objection.

C ross-exam ination .

By Mr. M cGee:

Q. You said there was something unusual about the nigger’s 
physical appearance when you saw him?

A. I didn’t use the word “ nigger.”
Q. You said there was something unusual about his appearance? 

Just answer the question.
A. Yes, sir.
Q. You said the unusual thing to you ŵ as he was sweating 

profusely and smelled bad; is that correct?
A. I used the word “ loudly.”
Q. When you first saw him he was running? You testify under 

oath when you first saw that nigger he was running; is that correct? 
A. That is right.
Q. This was in August or July?
A. July.
Q. Was it July?
A. Right.



Q. In the summertime, wasn’t it?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. You consider it unusual for a nigger running in the summer­

time in Montgomery to be sweating and smelling loudly; would you 
consider it unusual for a nigger running?

A. I would consider it unusual for a person dressed so carefully 
to allow himself to become that way.

Q. Is there anything unusual to ride around down there 
105 and see a nigger boy running by and ask you to give him a 

lift?
A. I didn’t know the nigger boy, as you say, when I asked him 

to get in.
Q. Were you South or North of Fairview?
A. I was at the corner of National and Cleveland. I don’t know. 

That is where I was.
Q. You know where Ridgecrest is, don’t you?
A. That is to the left of where I was.
Q. Do you know where Ridgecrest is?
A. Yes.
Q. You know where Fairview is?
A. Right.
Q. Ridgecrest runs South of Fairview, does it not?
A. I was at the comer of National and Cleveland.
Q. Answer my question.
A. I am not sure. I don’t know the points of the compass that 

well. I know where I was.
Q. Do you know how many blocks South of Fairview you were 

at the time you saw this nigger?
A. Not precisely.
Q. Approximately how many?
A. Approximately six or seven blocks.
Q. The first time you said you didn’t know whether South or 

North. Why did you first tell the Jury you didn’t know whether 
you were North or South of Fairview? You now say South of 
Fairview six or seven blocks.

A. Naturally, you are well schooled in the art of confusion.
Q. How many blocks did you carry him in the car before he 

got out?
A. I don’t know. I previously stated I didn’t know how many 

blocks it was from the point I picked him up until the point I 
let him out.

Q. Six or seven?
A. I said approximately.
Q. Approximately six or seven?
A. That could be correct. I am not sure.
Q. What did he say to you?

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A. At first he asked me for a ride.
Q. While he was running.
A. Yes. And then he got in the car, and I asked him to sit in the 

back seat, and he sat quiet until I spoke first, and I had been 
106 talking with my wife only about thirty minutes previously 

about some old clothes we had. I asked him if he went to 
Church and if he had a pastor who might dispose of those clothes. 

Q. Where are you a salesman?
A. I travel South Alabama.
Q. For whom?
A. Bauer and Black.
Q. What kind of outfit is that?
A. Surgical dressings, one of the two largest in the world.
Q. Have you discussed this case with the Solicitor?
A. I don’t exactly know what you mean by discussing the case. 
Q. Exactly what I said.
A. I have mentioned my part in it to him, yes.
Q. Both to Mr. Thetford and Mr. Stewart?
A. No comprehensive discussion of the case at all.
Q. Are you related to any of the parties involved in the case?
A. No.
Q. Any of them friends of yours?
A. No.
Q. Did you ever know the defendant?
A. No.
Q. At the time you talked to this boy in the County Jail tell the 

Jury exactly what you said to him.
A. As I previously stated, I only have an impression of what I 

said to him; I cannot give a verbatum report of the conversation 
because I don’t recall it in detail.

Q. This is just a few days ago.
A. I think it was on the 17th of this month.
Q. On Monday?
A. That would be Monday, if I recall it correctly. I could be 

mistaken.
Q. In other words, you cannot tell exactly what you said a couple 

of weeks ago, but way back last summer you can recall in detail the 
conversation without any great trouble now; is that correct?

A. I know he very definitely stated he remembered me, but I 
don’t remember the conversation verbatum.

Q. What is your interest in this case?
A. I am interested as a citizen of the State of Alabama to see 

that justice is done.
107 Q. Did you go down and tell the police right after you 

picked this nigger up and had given him a ride?
A. Repeat that question.

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Q. When did you approach the officers of the City or State in 
this case?

A. The next morning I picked up the newspaper and read where 
an offense was committed against one of my neighbors.

Q. Offense committed against one of your neighbors?
A. I consider anyone living in the same general area a neighbor. 
Q. When you—
A. I didn’t finish my answer.
Q. Go ahead and finish your answer.
A. I have a wife and children, and travel, and am away most 

of the week and, naturally, I have to consider the safety of my 
own home.

Mr. M cG e e : I object to that.
The W itn ess : That is my interest in the case.

By Mr. M cGee:
Q. When did you first approach the officers after you saw the 

newspaper?
A. That is why I went, because I was worried about my home.
The C ourt : That testimony may be excluded. You asked him 

when it was, and the answer was not responsive.

By the C ourt:
Q. You may testify when you first approached a police officer. 

Just confine your answer to the question.
A. The next day.

By Mr. M cGee:
Q. What time?
A. Approximately 9 o’clock in the morning.
Q. After you read the paper.
A. Yes.
Q. Did you carry a description of him to the police?
A. I don’t recall.
Q. Didn’t describe how he was dressed?
A. I don’t remember. I cannot state that. I am not sure.
Q. What officer did you talk to first?
A. I don’t know that.
Q. Who did you talk to next?

A. I don’t recall.
108 Q. When did you next talk to them?

A. I was on the road, and when I returned home, as I recall. 
Q. When did you next talk to him?
A. I don’t remember exactly. Some police officer left a message 

at my home to call him, which I did when I returned home.

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JEREMIAH REEVES, JR., VS. STATE OF ALABAMA 79

Q. When was it, July, August, September, October, November? 
A. I would say it was in July.
Q. In July?
A. No. It could have been the early part of August.
Q. Did you go down and talk to the police officer?
A. No. They came to my home.
Q. Who came out there?
A. I don’t recall the officers’ name.
Q. You don’t recall the officers’ name who came there then?
A. No.
Q. Did you talk to him anymore before the trial of this case? 
A. Oh, yes, sir.
Q. When did you next talk to him?
A. They came out to my home once again after that.
Q. Do you remember when?
A. No.
Q. Do you remember who?
A. No.
Q. You don’t remember the name of the deputy at the County 

Jail with you, do you?
A. One of the officers called me that morning by the name 

of Goines.
Q. Did he come to the house to get you?
A. No; I came in my own car.
Q. You came down voluntarily in your own car?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Didn’t this boy just remain silent when you were over 

there talking to him in the County Jail?
A. No. He answered my question.
Q. Don’t you recall the very first thing you said, “ we don’t like 

white women being raped by niggers here?”
A. That wasn’t the first thing I said to him.
Q. What was the first thing said to him?

A. I am not sure.

109 R e-direct Exam ination .

By the Solicitor :

Q. Did you know Mrs. Crowder prior to this?
A. No, sir.
(5 minute recess. The Jury retired to the Jury Room in charge 

of the bailiff.)
3:34 o ’clock P.M.
The Court reconvened.
Parties present as before noted.



80 JEREMIAH REEVES, JR., VS. STATE OF ALABAMA

G eorge H arold K ojac, having been duly sworn, was examined 
and tesified as follows:

D irect E xam ination .

By the Solicitor:

Q. Will you state your name to the Jury, please.
A. George Harold Kojac.
Q. You are an officer in the United States Air Force?
A. That is right, sir.
Q. What is your occupation?
A. Lieutenant Colonel.
Q. You are a medical doctor?
A. That is right, sir.
Q. What institutions of higher learning have you attended and 

what degrees have you obtained?
A. Went to Rutgers University and obtained a B.S. degree; then 

went to Columbia University, College of Physicians and Surgeons, 
and obtained a Doctor’s Degree, M.D.

Q. In what hospital did you intern?
A. The Morris Ania City Hospital in New York City. And just 

recently completed a three year residence in obstetrics and gyne­
cology at County Hospital in St. Antonio, Texas.

Q. How long have you been practicing your profession?
A. Since 1938.
Q. Where are you presently stationed?

A. At Maxwell Air Force Base.
110 Q. Do you know Mrs. Ann Crowder?

A. Mabel Crowder, not Ann Crowder.
Q. That is the same lady who was on the witness stand?
A. That is right.
Q. Out in the witness room now?
A. That is right.
Q. Have you ever examined her?
A. Yes; I have.
Q. On what date did you examine her?
A. On the 28th of July, 1952.
Q. Where did you examine her?
A. In the Obstetrical Clinic at Maxwell Air Force Base.
Q. Approximately what time did you examine her?
A. Five minutes of three.
Q. Will you tell the Jury what her condition was at that time. 
A. At that time she was referred to me by the Attending Surgeon 

for a pelvic examination, and she had numerous bruises, contusions 
and abrasions of the head and face which had been previously taken



care of by the Attending Surgeon. And had abrasions over the left 
iliac crest.

Q. Where is that?
A. Over the hip bone. That is the anterior aspect of the left 

side. I did the pelvic examination, and that, with the exception of 
the fact that there was some grayish oozing discharge of the vagina, 
there was no other injuries revealed to the female genitalia.

Q. Could you describe the extent of the bruises, contusions and 
lacerations you have stated, where were they?

A. I would be describing someone else’s findings in that respect. 
She was examined more closely by the Attending Surgeon and by 
the neurologist. In view of that fact I asked for a neurological 
examination, asked for a neurologist to come in to see the patient 
in question.

Q. Who is that?
A. Dr. Zarling.
Q. Did you take a smear from her vagina?
A. Three smears. One from the vulva, the lips of the vagina, and 

one from within the uterus, and the other from the viscera promi­
nence, which is the tip of the vagina.

I l l  Q. What test was performed?
A. I forwarded the three specimens to the laboratory tech­

nician to examine the spermatozoa.
Q. Could you tell what the result of the test was?
Mr. M cGee: That is objected to unless he made it.
The C ourt : If it is a test in the regular course and under his con­

trol and he knows the result of the test, he can testify.

By the Court:

Q. Do you know?
A. Yes, sir; I do. Positive spermatozoa. Spermatozoa were 

found in the specimen.

By the Solicitor:

Q. Am I right in saying you are talking about male spermatozoa?
A. I am. That is right, sir.
Q. Do you know whether they were living?
A. No motility was noted. Generally they were not living.

C ross-examination .

By Mr. M cGee:
Q. You said you took what you call a smear. Just what is 

that?
A. A smear of the female genitalia extending backward from

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the lips of the vagina, and by laboratory examination to determine 
any abnormalities which might be found within the vulva, and 
which includes the uterus and womb, an examination of her repro­
ductive organs, also includes direct physical examination of the 
surface for any indication of injury, or infection and spermatozoa.

Q. You said no other injuries; some grayish discharge of the 
vagina, and no other injuries.

A. That is right.
Q. Was that discharge from an injury?
A. No, sir.
Q. Any injury to the upper boundary?
A. No'.
Q. How about the lower boundary?
A. No evidence of any contusion.
Q. You testified about this spermatozoa. Do you mean you 

were there at the time the test was run?
A. I didn’t say I knew it was spermatozoa.

Q. I believe when I made an objection to the Court you 
112 said you did know.

The C ourt : He testified that he knew the result of the
tests which were made under his direction and under his instruc­
tions. He testified the tests showed it was positive spermatozoa.

By Mr. M cGee:
Q. Was that test run under your direction?
A. That is right.
Q. Were you there when the test was run?
A. No.
Q. You sent it over to the laboratory to have it run?
A. In our own laboratory. It was taken to the laboratory and 

given to the laboratory technician.
Q. Did you take it there?
A. I took the three test tubes.
Q. Did you remain when he ran the test.
A. No, sir.
Q. You didn’t run the test on it?
A. No, sir. Excuse me one moment. You asked me did I make 

the test?
Q. Yes.
A. I directed the test in writing. In other words, I made out a 

routine slip.
Q. You never remained to see if your directions were carried out?
A. No, sir.
Q. You didn’t stay there?
A. Not while the test was being run.
Q. Were you sent a clinical report?

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JEREMIAH REEVES, JR., VS. STATE OF ALABAMA 83

A. I was.
Q. A chemical analysis?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. The testimony you have given is a result of that chemical 

analysis?
A. Yes, sir.
Air. M cGee: I object to this testimony and make a motion that 

it be excluded from the record.
The C ourt: Objection overruled.
Air. M cGee: I would like an exception.
The C ourt : Y ou may have an exception.

(Exception noted for the defendant by direction of the 
113 Court.)

By Mr. M cGee:
Q. When you made the statement it was spermotozoa in that 

smear you took, you are basing your statement on the result of the 
test sent to you from the lab?

A. That is right.
Q. Who made that test?
A. Mr. Johnson.
Q. Is he a doctor?
A. No, sir.
Q. Has he had any qualified medical training that you know of?
A. I don’t know.
Q. You don’t know of any medical training that he has had 

that you know of?
A. I don’t know.
Q. You were not there when he made the test?
A. That is right.
Q. The only thing you are testifying to is the result of the test 

he had made?
A. That is right.
Q. You say there was no motility in that spermatozoa, they were 

not alive?
A. That is right.
Q. You concluded they were dead?
A. That is right.
Q. The fact that there was no motility, is that based on the 

result of the test of the smear?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. How long does it take spermatozoa to die?
A. It varies in individuals. It depends upon the individual person, 

and depends upon the individual who generates the spermatozoa.



Q. What is the average time the spermatozoa will continue to live? 
A. It would vary.
Q. In the vagina, I mean.
A. It may vary from less than one hour to twenty-four hours. 
Q. Would it be an average of less than a day?
A. No.
Q. I am talking about average.

A. I dare say eight to twelve hours.
114 Q. Eight to twelve hours is the average life time of male 

spermatozoa in the vagina?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. What time did you have those smears run off?
A. At approximately a little after three o’clock.

C. N. Jo h n so n , having been duly sworn, was examined and 
testified as follow s:

D irect Exam in ation .

By the Solicitor:

Q. Where are you employed?
A. Out at the Maxwell Air Force Base in Montgomery.
Q. What is your occupation?
A. I am Chief Laboratory Supervisor of the entire lab.
Q. You are Chief Laboratory Supervisor?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. What training have you had for that position?
A. I have a B.S. Degree from Mississippi State in 1932, and 

had 18 years experience, and certified Civil Service in laboratory.
Q. Did you run a test on three smears submitted to you by 

Colonel Kojac on July 28th, smears taken from Mrs. Ann Crowder? 
A. Yes, sir; I did.
Q. What did you find from those smears?
A. They had live spermatozoa cells that apparently wasn’t 

more than three or four hours old.
Q. Your findings were they were alive?
A. Yes, sir.

C ross-exam ination .

By Mr. M cGee:
Q. Still alive when you made the tests?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. You made the examination of the specimens yourself?
A. Yes, sir.

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Q. To determine if there was spermatozoa in the specimens?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. And were alive?
A. Yes, sir.

Q. And were not older than three or four hours?
115 A. That is right.

Q. You put your findings down on a slip of paper?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Dr. Kojac wasn’t with you at the time you made the exami­

nation?
A. No, sir. I carried the report directly to him.
Q. The reason you run a test of the three stnears was because 

Dr. Kojac came to you and asked you to run a test of the three 
smears for spermatozoa?

A. Yes, sir.
Q. You personally ran them by yourself?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. He wasn’t with you?
A. No, sir.
Q. You found they were live spermatozoa three or four hours old? 
A. Yes, sir.
Q. You wrote it on a slip of paper?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Did you return it to Dr. Kojac yourself?
A. I returned it to him personally.
Q. He had your report today when he was sitting on the stand? 
A. Yes, sir.
Q. You received a B.S. Degree at Mississippi State in 1932?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. What kind of lab training did you have at college?
A. I took a regular course in general science.
Q. Were you given a good bit of laboratory work during the 

time you were in college?
A. Yes, sir, full line of the biological sciences.

V irgil R . Zarling , having been duly sworn, was examined and 
testified as follow s:

D irect E xam ination .

By the Solicitor:

Q. By whom are you employed?
A. By the United States Air Force.
Q. You are an officer in the United States Air Force?
A. Yes, sir.

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Q. What is your rank?
116 A. Major.

Q. What institutions of higher learning have you attended 
and what degrees have you received?

A. I have a Bachelor of Science, Bachelor of Medicine, and 
Doctor of Medicine from the University of Minnesota; I have been 
in post-graduate training at the Baltimore City Hospital, at Johns 
Hopkins Hospital, Santa Clara University, University of Southern 
California, and University of Minnesota.

Q. Did you complete training, internship?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Where?
A. Baltimore City Hospital.
Q. Do you specialize?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. In what?
A. In neurology.
Q. How long have you been practicing medicine?
A. I graduated from school in 1943—nine years.
Q. Have you been continuously practicing your profession since 

that time?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Where are you presently stationed?
A. Maxwell Air Force Base.
Q. In Montgomery?
A. In Montgomery.
Q. Did you on July 28th examine a Mrs. Ann Crowder?
A. I did.
Q. Where did you examine her?
A. I saw her initially in the OBGYN Clinic in the Maxwell Air 

Force Base Hospital, out patient clinic.
Q. What is that OBGYN?
A. Obstetrics and Gynecology Clinic.
Q. Approximately what time did you see her?
A. I don’t remember exactly, but it was around three or three- 

thirty in the afternoon.
Q. What was her condition at that time?
A. At that time she was lying on an examining table in the 

clinic. At that time she had swelling and bruises on the right 
cheek, and in the parotid gland area behind the jaw on the right.

Swelling of the left cheek over the cheek bone. She had a 
117 hemorrhage of the right eye, and she had swelling, much 

swelling and bruises and lacerations of the right forehead 
front and rear; had a swollen, red area over the entire back of the 
head on both sides, with superficial skin lacerations there; had a 
small bruise over the bridge of her nose.

Q. Did you find any bruises on her body?

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A. She had, I believe, a bruise on one hip. I noticed no others 
at that time.

Q. Did you treat her, or prescribe treatment for that condition?
A. I admitted her to neurology service at the hospital because 

of the head injuries, and because of complaint of pains in the head 
at that time, and as a precautionary measure we admit them to 
the hospital and observe them for a period of time.

Q. How long did she stay in the hospital?
A. She was discharged the 31st of July, about three days.
Q. Has she been under treatment for head injuries, for these 

same head injuries you have described, since that time?
A. I have seen her once since, and did an entire laboratory pro­

cedure, to tell if the injury has healed during the period of her 
crystallization.

Q. Is she still under treatment?
A. No, she isn’t under treatment now.

Cross-exam in atio n .

By Air. M cGee:
Q. What do you mean by laboratory procedure?
A. It is a specialized laboratory procedure. We take an electro- 

corticogram.
Q. What is the purpose of that?
A. When you do an operation ECG, it is an electrical device 

which records the electric activity in the brain through the skull 
and scalp, which indicates the presence of distention of the brain 
substance, brain cells.

Q. Is it an apparatus by which you can determine whether or 
not the brain itself is injured?

A. Yes, sir.
Q. Or functioning wrongfully?
A. Yes, sir. It is similar to an electro-cardiogram which are 

recordings made from the heart. We have this made from 
118 the brain. It is a much more sensitive and technical 

apparatus.
Q. Do you know whether or not you made an X-ray of the 

head to determine whether there was a skull fracture or anything?
A. I am quite sure I did— at least, I ordinarily do—but I don’t 

remember it at this time.
Q. If she had a skull fracture you would remember it?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Probably she wouldn’t be discharged in three days if there 

had been a skull fracture?
A. Probably.
Q. You say she was discharged about the 31st of July?

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A. Yes, sir.
Q. And said she has been to you once since then?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Do you know when that was approximately?
A. I think about the 8th of October.
Q. And she is not under treatment now.
A. No.
Q. When you examined her and took this laboratory procedure 

on her at this time in October, did you determine there was nothing 
wrong with her brain?

A. In October there is an improvement from the previous record. 
It was not completely recovered then, and not entirely recovered now.

Q. These head injuries you described were apparent to you at 
that time?

A. Those are notes I made from the chart.
Q. Were those notes made at the time you examined her?
A. No.
Q. You testified from those notes, didn’t you?
A. Those are to refresh my memory.
Q. Were they made at the time you examined her?
A. No.
Q. Did you copy them from the chart this morning?
A. No.
Q. When did you copy them?
A. Yes, sir; I believe I copied them this morning.
Mr. M cGe e : I move to exclude the evidence from the case, his

description of the head injuries, on the ground he is testifying 
from hearsay.

119 The C ourt : He has had that paper in his hand testifying 
openly right from the beginning. The objection is overruled. 

Mr. M cG e e : I would like an exception.
The C ourt: Y ou may have an exception. You had a right to

ask him while he had it in his hand. You always have a right to 
ask about anything that is in a witness’ hand.

Mr. M cG e e : I didn’t know that.

(Exception noted for the defendant by direction of the Court.) 

By Mr. M cGee:
Q. Anyway, you say she is not now under treatment?
A. No.
Q. Were you with Dr. Kojac at the time he made his pelvic 

examination?
A. No; I wasn’t.



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C. J. R eh lin g , having been duly sworn, was examined and 
testified as follows:

D irect E xam in ation .

By the Solicitor:

Q. Will you state your name to the Jury, please.
A. C. J. Rehling.
Q. What is your present occupation or position?
A. Director ef the State Department of Toxicology and Criminal 

Investigation.
Q. What institutions of higher learning have you attended and 

what degrees have you obtained.
A. I have received a Bachelor’s Degree from Auburn, Master’s 

Degree from that institution, Doctor of Philosophy, University of 
Wisconsin, Bachelor of Law’s from Jones Law School of Montgomery.

Q. How long have you been engaged in or have you been con­
nected with the State Department of Toxicology and Criminal 
Investigation?

A. Almost sixteen years.
Q. When did you become Director?
A. 1945.
Q. In the course of your employment, are you called upon to 

investigate various crimes?
A. Yes.

120 Q. Are you called upon to make physical examinations of 
both living and dead bodies?

A. Yes; I am.
Q. Were you asked or requested by the Police Department of 

Montgomery to conduct an investigation at the home of Mrs. Ann 
Crowder?

A. Yes.
Q. When did you go out there?
A. I will have to refer to my notes for that purpose. That was 

the 31st of July when I received the case and when I went out there. 
Mr. and Mrs. Crowder were there on that date.

Q. Now, when was the first time you ever saw this defendant?
A. On November 11th of this- year.
Q. Where did you see him?
A. Saw him at Kilby Prison.
Q. Did you make an examination of him?
A. Yes; I did.
Q. A physical examination?
A. Yes.
Q. Did you find, or did you not find, scratches on his body and 

legs?



Mr. M cGee: I object to the question on the ground it is im­
material whether the doctor observed scratches on the defendant’s 
legs on November 11th. She has given the time of her rape back 
on July 28th, 1952.

The Court : I don’t see the connection.
The Solicitor: Scratches is what I meant to inquire about.
The C ourt : The objection is sustained then as to any scratches.

B y the Solicitor:

Q. Did you find scratches which appeared to, which you might 
say had happened in July of 1952?

Mr. M cGee: I object to the question on the ground it calls for a 
conclusion. There has been no testimony as to show the defendant 
was ever scratched, and no one says they scratched him that 
resulted in a scar on him back in July.

The Solicitor: Mrs. Crowder testified she had two broken
fingernails.

The C ourt: I will sustain the objection. If you want
121 to ask him if he saw any evidence of scars upon him. The 

weight to be given any witness’ testimony is for the Jury, 
and will be covered by the Court in his charge.

By the Solicitor:

Q. Did you find any scars on his body?
A. Yes; I did.
Q. Did you find scars which appeared to have been made in 

July or August of 1952, which would be consistent with a broken 
fingernail?

Mr. M cGee: That is objected to as a conclusion of the witness.
The Court : Overrule the objection.
Mr. M cGee: I would like an exception.
The Court: Exception granted.
(Exception noted for the defendant by direction of the Court.)

The W itn ess : On his right forearm there were two scratches,
or scars I should say, that had been scratches which had completely 
healed, and were inflicted, in my opinion— at most, I would say, 
several months prior, and I cannot be more definite. The one 
being just above the wrist of the arm. The other half way up the 
right forearm, with the abrasion downward which changed direction 
to the side and bilaterally turned in.

Mr. McGee: I object to that as not responsive to the question,
The Court: Objection overruled.

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JEREMIAH BEEVES, JR., VS. STATE OF ALABAMA 91

Mr. M cGee: I would like an exception.
The C ourt: Exception granted.

(Exception noted for the defendant by direction of the Court.) 

By the Solicitor:

Q. Would the type of scar you have testified about be con­
sistent with a broken fingernail, a fingernail breaking as it scratched?

Mr. M cGee: That is objected to on the ground it is a legal 
conclusion, and hypothecating a question to an expert when he has 
no ground in the testimony in the case to support that hypothesis.

The Court: The Court, although he is an expert., sustains the
objection. We are getting into the realm of conjecture and specu­

lation. On that ground I will sustain the objection.

122 By the Solicitor:

Q. Could that scratch have been made by a fingernail?
A. Yes.
Q. That is broken?
A. Yes.
Q. Did you take these pictures? (Indicating)
A. Yes, sir; I did.
Q. Did you take them at Kilby on November 11th, 1952?
A. Yes; I did.
Q. Is that a picture of the defendant in this case? (Indicating) 
A. It is.

The Solicitor: We offer that picture in evidence.
Mr. M cGee: I object to the offer of the picture on the ground 

it is prejudicial and immaterial.
The C ourt: Objection overruled.
Mr. M cGee: I would like an exception.
The C ourt: Exception for the defendant.
(Exception noted for the defendant by direction of the Court.)

(Photograph referred to and offered in exidence marked “State 
Exhibit 1, 11/28/1952, W H I,” )

By the Solicitor:

Q. Does this picture show the scratches you have described?
A. Yes, it does.
Q. Will you step here in front of the Jury?

Mr. M cGee: I object to any further examination about that
picture to the Jury and referring to scratches on there. It is in



violation of the defendant’s constitutional rights granted under the 
Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States.

The Court : The Court has already ruled on the objection and
the picture is in evidence, and the present objection is overruled.

M r. M cG e e : I would like to reserve an exception.
The C ourt : An exception is granted the defendant.
(Exception noted for the defendant by direction of the Court.)

By the Solicitor :

Q. I show you this picture which is marked Exhibit S 1. Will 
you show the Jury the scratches?

Mr. M cG ee : I object to the Solicitor referring to scratches. 
123 The Solicitor: I will change it to scars.

The C ourt: Changing it to scars you  m ay testify.

By the Solicitor :

Q. Point out to the Jury the scars you referred to.
A. The low7er right forearm here consists of two scars concerning 

which I have already given testimony. One is about midway of 
the forearm, the other just above the wrist, with change of direction 
in the center, and especially the one on the lower forearm, a sudden 
turning, which I have described. (Indicating)

Q. About what time did you take these pictures?
A. Between 2:30 and 3 o’clock the afternoon of November 11th.
Q. Did you have a conversation with the Defendant?
A. Yes, a limited one.
Q. Who was with you?
A. There was no one in the immediate room while I was examining 

him. The Deputy Sheriff, George Mosley, was out in the hall, 
and three victims were out in the hall with him at that time, and 
one of the Wardens was there.

Q. Did anyone threaten him, coerce him, offer him anything, or 
make any promises to get a statement from him?

A. No.
Q. In your presence or hearing?
A. No.
Q. Did you?
A. No; I did not.

B y the C ourt:

Q. Did you say you talked to him with no one in the room when 
you talked to him.

A. That is right.

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JEREMIAH REEVES, JR., VS. STATE OF ALABAMA 93

By the Solicitor:

Q. Did he complain about being mistreated in any way?
A. He did not.
Q. Did you ask him how he was being treated?
A. No, not in those words. I asked him the question how he 

was getting along.
Q. And what did he say?

A. He said all right.

124 Cross-examination.

By Mr. M cGee:
Q. You had him stripped completely naked, did you?
A. Yes; I did.
Q. And while he was completely naked you took several pictures 

of him completely nude, didn’t you?
A. No; I did not.
Q. How many pictures did you take of him?
A. I took three or four different shots of him.
Q. Three or four different shots?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Were any while he was nude?
A. No. He was stripped to the waist when I took the photographs. 
Q. You did have him strip completely first?
A. I examined him while he was completely stripped, yes.
Q. When you say you talked wuth him, did you carry on a dis­

cussion or any other sort of conversation?
A. I asked him where he got the marks, or how, we have referred 

to so often.
Q. At that time he didn’t tell you he raped Mrs. Crowder, did he? 
A. No.
Q. Did you ask him about that?
A. I did not.
Q. Did you ask him anything about any of these cases?
A. Yes. I asked him relative to an injury on the side of his 

neck, whether he didn’t receive that doing this, and he said yes.
Q. Did you ask him about any other rape?
A. No; I did not.
Q. How long were you out there?
A. I suppose I was with him thirty minutes, something like that. 
Q. You are not a medical doctor?
A. I am not.
Q. Not a physician?
A. No, sir.
Q. Whether the marks on the skin wmre from a skin disease or 

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94 JEREMIAH REEVES, JR., VS. STATE OF ALABAMA

A. I am not a dermatologist.
Q. These two scars, your investigation revealed nothing to indicate 

they were made by a fingernail?
125 A. No.

Q. Could have been made by something else?
A. It is possible, yes.
Q. You say you made an examination out at the Crowder home?
A. Yes.
Q. You were not the first criminal investigator out there, were you?
A. No.
Q. Do you know if they found any fingerprints out there?
A. No; I don’t.
Q. You didn’t get any?
A. No.
Q. In the ordinary course of procedure this defendant was finger­

printed as soon as he was picked up?
A. I don’t know.
Q. They normally fingerprint him before he is brought to trial 

for a criminal, or capital offense?
A. That is the usual procedure. •
Q. Did you testify to fingerprints before the Grand Jury?
A. I did not. I didn’t handle that phase of it.
Q. What did your investigation consist of out there, examine 

the bedroom?
A. Yes. I examined the bedroom for evidence of foreign sub­

stance in the room.
Q. Did you find any?
A. I did not, not foreign material. I did not, I could distinguish 

as such.
Q. Did you talk to Mrs. Crowder?
A. Just briefly.
Q. Did Mrs. Crowder tell you she had broken a couple of 

fingernails?
A. No. I didn’t inquire.
Q. One of the first things done is to examine the fingernails of 

the prosecutrix to see if you cannot find some trace of the anatomy 
of the person who attacked her; isn’t that the normal procedure?

A. If her hands haven’t been cleansed meanwhile.
Q. Do you know whether Mrs. Crowder’s hands were examined 

for that?
A. No; I don’t know.



R e-direct Exam ination .

By the Solicitor:

Q. In your examination of the defendant at Kilby did you 
126 find any evidence whatsoever of any physical mistreatment? 

A. I did not.

R e- cross Exam ination .

By Mr. M cGee:

Q. Didn’t you just testify he had some scratch on the side of 
his neck?

A. I found a fingernail scratch on the side of his neck he 
admitted receiving the day before.

Q. You said something about a blow on the side of the neck.
A. Apparently you heard wrong. I testified to no such thing; 

I made no such statement.
Q. A scratch on the side of his neck?
A. It was a scratch on the side of his neck. This large. (Indi­

cating.)
Q. And this is on Tuesday.
A. On Tuesday afternoon.
Q. You answered the scratch looked like it was made the day 

before.
A. It was a fresh scratch which he admitted receiving the day 

before.
Q. Do you know that he was first taken to Kilby the day before? 
A. The day before is my information.

R e-direct Exam in ation .

By the Solicitor:

Q. Did he tell you where he got that scratch?
A. He did.
Q. Where did he say he got it?
A. He said Mrs. Prescott inflicted it upon him.

Clyde Jones, having been duly sworn, was examined and testi­
fied as follow s:

D irect Exam ination .

By the Solicitor:

Q. State your name to the Jury.
A. Clyde Jones.

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Q. What is your occupation?
A. City detective.

Q. City of Montgomery?
127 A. Yes, sir.

Q. Did you hold that position on July 28th of this year?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Did you conduct an investigation of the Ann Crowder case? 
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Did you go to Mrs. Crowder’s home?
A. I did.
Q. What time did you get there?
A. It was between 12:30 and quarter to one; closer to quarter 

to one.
Q. Could you tell me how far the Crowder home is from the 

corner of Cleveland and National Avenue?
A. It is what we term a good two blocks.
Q. Which way?
A. It is South of National Avenue.
Q. It is farther from the City than National Avenue is?
A. Yes, sir, it is.
Q. Did you talk to Mrs. Crowder?
A. I did.
Q. Where did you talk to her?
A. In Mrs. Struchko’s home. She lives next door. She lives 

on the North side of Mrs. Crowder.
Q. What was Mrs. Crowder’s physical condition when you talked 

to her?
A. She was pretty upset and pretty beat up.
Q. Were there any physical factors which you could see which 

showed she had been beat up?
A. Yes. She was beat around her head, her head was bleeding, 

one side of the head.
Q. Did she complain she had been raped?
A. She did.
Q. Did you go over to Mrs. Crowder’s house?
A. No, we didn’t go in there right then. We kept the house 

locked up and wouldn’t let anybody in there at that time.
Q. Did you subsequently conduct an investigation in her house? 
A. When Dr. Rehling was out there. We didn’t even let Mr. 

Crowder go over there.
Q. What did you find; did you find any evidence of a scuffle?

A. Not much of anything to indicate a scuffle. With the
128 fingerprint man, Mr. Lackey, we tried to get some finger­

prints off the doors.
Q. Do you know whether he was successful?
A. He was not.

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JEREMIAH REEVES, JR., VS. STATE OP ALABAMA 97

Q. When you went into the house did you go into the front 
bedroom?

A. Yes, sir.
Q. What did you find in the front bedroom, what was the con­

dition of the bedroom?
A. There was a dresser in the far corner, which would be the 

Northeast corner; there was a rocking-chair there and a bed.
Q. Was there any evidence of a struggle in that room?
A. You couldn’t tell too much about it at that time because there 

wasn’t anything too disarranged, other than the cover on the bed.

Cross-exam ination .

By Mr. M cGee:
Q. You say the fingerprint man did check the house for finger­

prints?
A. As far as I know, he checked the house pretty well.

W illiam  M. Stanley , having been duly sworn, was examined and 
testified as follows:

D irect Exam ination .

By the Solicitor:

Q. State your name to the Jury, please.
A. W. M. Stanley.
Q. What is your occupation?
A. Assistant Chief of Police.
Q. City of Montgomery?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Did you hold that position on July 28th of this year?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. On that day did you go to the home of a Mrs. Struchko?
A. I did.
Q. Where is that?
A. I think the number is about 3844 Cleveland Avenue.
Q. About what time did you get there?
A. About 12:30. Not that. I don’t remember the exact time 

I got out there.
Q. Who did you find there?

129 A. A lady I afterwards learned to be Mrs. Crowder and
Mrs. Struchko.

Q. What was Mrs. Crowder’s physical condition at that time?
A. Well, at the time I went in she was sitting on a lounge, and 

was crying, and Mrs. Struchko had a towel putting cold compresses 
on her head, and she was very much upset and crying.



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Q. Did she complain to you about being raped?
A. She did.
Q. Did she describe her assailant?
A. She did.
Q. Does that description fit this defendant?
A. Yes, sir.

C ross-ex am inatio n .

By Mr. M cGee:
Q. To refresh your recollection, I believe she told you he was 

taller than her husband?
A. She didn’t mention her husband. She looked up at me and 

said he was about as tall as I am.
Q. How tall are you?
A. Five feet eight and one-half.
Q. If she described to you and the police he was taller than her 

husband, about 5.10, she was wrong, or are you right?
A. I am right on what she told me at that time. She was sitting 

on the divan and looking at me, and said the man was about as 
tall as I was but not quite as heavy, is the way she expressed it. 

Q. Are you sure she didn’t tell you he was about five feet ten?
A. In attempting to say, she said he was about five feet eight or 

ten before she looked at me. But then she looked at me and said, 
“ he was about as tall as you are.” She didn’t ask me how tall I 
was. She said about the same, but not as heavy.

Q. Did she mention his age?
A. She said he was young.
Q. Did she mention his age?
A. Approximately.
Q. Did she say somewhere between seventeen and twenty-five?
A. I understood her to say between seventeen and twenty-two, 

along there.
Q. Did she tell you whether or not he had a mustache?
A. She did.

Q. Did or did not have one?
130 A. If I am not mistaken, she said he did have.

Q. He did have a mustache?
A. He did have.
Q. Have you ever seen this defendant before?
A. Not until I came to the Courtroom.
Q. Never interviewed him?
A. No, sir.
Q. Do you remember when you all had him picked up before?
A. No, sir.
Q. Last summer?



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A. No, sir.
Q. You don’t know anything about that?
A. I don’t know anything about that at all.
Q. Were you in charge of the investigation at Mrs. Crowder’s 

house?
A. I was cruising about when the word came out, and I was one 

of the first officers there, and went in and listened to her description 
of the way the man was dressed, and then I went back and put the 
description on the radio.

Q. Do you remember how she said he was dressed?
A. She had said he had on a pair of blue slack pants, and a 

flowered shirt with yellow, and with that and the approximate 
size she gave I went back and put it on the radio.

Q. How about a hat?
A. She didn’t mention a hat to me.
Q. Didn’t mention a hat to you?
A. Not to me at all, no, sir.
Q. The official description you sent out didn’t mention a hat?
A. Didn’t mention a hat because she didn’t say anything about 

it in the first statement that she made.

131 S. E. Sellers, having been duly sworn, was examined and 
testified as follow s:

D irect ex am inatio n .

By the Solicitor:

Q. What is your name?
A. S. E. Sellers.
Q. What is your occupation?
A. Policeman, City detective.
Q. Did you go to Kilby Penitentiary on November 10th of this 

year?
A. Yes, sir.

132-135 C ross exam ination .

By Mr. M cGee:
Q. How long were you at Kilby with him?
A. I imagine around from thirty to forty minutes.
Q. Was Mr. Dees one of the men in there?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. And George Mosley?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. At that time the nigger was next to the room where the elec­

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A. Upstairs, yes, sir.
Q. Did you all question him while you were up there for forty 

minutes ?
A. Did not.
Q. Others questioned him, didn’t they?
A. Two or three questioned him.
Q. During the forty minutes didn’t he deny having done this 

at that time.
A. I didn’t hear anything he had to say.
Q. You didn’t hear him say anything?
A. I didn’t hear him say anything.
Q. Was he silent the whole time?
A. Kind of heard something several times.
Q. Don’t remember what he said?
A. No.

136 Parties present as before noted.
Mr. M cGee: I move the Court to exclude the evidence of the 

State in this matter and discharge the defendant upon the follow­
ing grounds:

One. The State has failed to prove the corpus delicti.
The C ourt: The motion is overruled.
Mr. M cGee: I ask for an exception.
The C ourt: Exception granted.

(Exception noted for the defendant by direction of the Court.)

D efendant’s E vidence 

G eorge H arold K ojac, recalled.

D irect ex am in atio n .

By Mr. M cGee:
Q. I believe you said the laboratory test was sent back to you 

of these smears, and from reports of the tests you determined there 
were no live spermatozoas?

A. No motility.
Q. You concluded they were dead from that?
A. That is right.
Q. Is there any way medical science can take a blood test from 

a human being, any test made of a man to determine whether or 
not he is the man who injected that spermatozoa?

A. Not that I know of.
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A. Not that I know of. You are referring to typing the type 
of spermatozoa?

Q. Yes.
A. No way that I know of to ascertain that fact. You are talk­

ing about motility?
Q. Yes.
A. Right.

137 C arnella R eeves, having been duly sworn, was examined 
and testified as follows:

D irect ex am inatio n .

By Mr. M cGee:

Q. What is your full name?
A. Carnella Reeves.
Q. You work?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. What is your occupation?
A Cook and nurse.
Q. Cook somewhere?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Still cook for them?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Do you know Jeremiah, Jr. here?
A. That is my son.
Q. How old is Jerry?
A. He is seventeen years old.
Q. When was he seventeen?
A. August the 8th.
Q. Of this year?
A. This year.
Q. Do you remember what date it was they first picked him up? 
A. No, sir; I cannot even remember exactly the date of it.
Q. Wdiat day was it?
A. I would say it was—I cannot remember what day it was.
Q. I mean this time now.
A. The day they picked him up?
Q. Yes. Do you know?
A. On Monday.
Q. To refresh your recollection, was it the Monday before Armi­

stice Day on Tuesday?
A. Yes, sir, it was Monday.
Q. W7hen did you first know he had been picked up?
A. The first fknowed he had been picked up, they called me up 

on the telephone they had picked up my other son and wanted me



to come on home. I thought that something terrible happened, 
police all over the house; they wouldn’t allow me to tell what 

138 happened at my house. And then he said—
The Solicitor: 1 object to this.

The Court: Objection sustained.

By Mr. M cGee:

Q. Did you see Jerry that Monday?
A. I didn’t see Jerry that Monday.
Q. Did you go home?
A. I went home.
Q. Was there any officers there?
A. I got home around exactly four o’clock.
Q. Was there any officers there?
A. Officers came there just about ten minutes after I reached 

home.
Q. Did the officers tell you where they had Jerry?

The Solicitor: I object to that as hearsay.
The C ourt: The objection is sustained.
Mr. M cGee: I want to show the fact the officers told the boy’s 

mother on Monday afternoon her boy, he was out at Kilby, and 
she couldn’t see him right then, and they would let her know when 
she could see him, and it wasn’t until Wednesday afternoon Mr. 
Armstrong told her then she could go to Kilby and see her boy.

The C ourt: I will let her testify to that.

My Mr. M cGee:
Q. Did you have a conversation with the police?
A. Yes, sir. They came to the house, Mr. Armstrong, and an­

other one, and asked for Jeremiah’s personal belongings. I said, 
“ he has two small boxes in the cabinet, and has a hat in the middle 
room.” They said he did the other rapes. They took it too. I 
gave them the small box in there Jeremiah keeps his papers and 
all. They looked at them and kept a lot of the papers. I says, 
“ Mr. Armstrong, can I see him?” He said, “ no. I will let you 
know when you can see him.”

Q. Did he tell you where he was?
A. Yes, sir, Kilby. I was coming home on Wednesday afternoon 

quarter of five from my job— he said, “ Carnella, you can go on 
over to Kilby.”

Q. Where were you then?
A. In front of Mr. Armstrong’s house.
Q. You pass his house?

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JEREMIAH REEVES, JR., VS. STATE OF ALABAMA 103

A. Yes, sir.
139 Q. Going home?

A. Yes, sir.
Q. How did he come to do that?
A. He drove up in a car, and he told me to go on over to Kilby 

and tell Mr. Dees to let me see my boy.
Q. When was this?
A. This is Wednesday afternoon.
Q. The 12th?
A. That is right.
Q. Did you go to Kilby?
A. Went on home and got a man to drive me over in a truck. 

I had to wait about forty-five minutes before I saw him. When I 
got there, I said, “ Mr. Dees, I would like to see my boy,” when 
I walked in.

The Solicitor: I object to any conversation.
The C ourt: Sustain the objection.

By Mr. M cGee:
Q. What position does Mr. Dees occupy?
A. “ I would like to visit my boy.”—
Q. Is he a Deputy Warden at Kilby?
A. Yes, sir.
The Solicitor: I object to any conversation between her and

Mr. Dees.
The C ourt: She hasn’t been asked a question about any conver­

sation. I better hear the question before I rule.

By Mr. M cGee:
Q. Did you have a talk with Mr. Dees?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. What did you tell him about seeing your boy?

The Solicitor: I object.
The C ourt: Objection sustained. You can ask her whether or 

not she got to see her boy at that time.

By Mr. M cGee:
Q. When did you get to see your boy?
A. See my boy?
Q. What time did you get in?
A. Wait around about forty-five minutes before I could see him. 
Q. And did you get to see him?

A. I got to see him about forty-five minutes after I got 
there.140



Q. He never saw anybody before that?
A. That is right,
Q. That is in Kilby Penitentiary out there in Montgomery?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Was your boy picked up before this?
A. Yes, sir.

The Solicitor: I object.
The C ourt: A blanket objection doesn’t give me anything to 

rule on.
The Solicitor: I object on the ground that it is irrelevant and 

immaterial. It is not an issue in this case if he was picked up 
before.

Air. M cGee: I promise you I can connect- it up. The testimony 
as to what happened to him, and what was said, is going to be 
apparent throughout the trial. It would have to be an issue.

The Court: I don’t see where picking him up at another time at 
this stage of the proceedings has anything to do with it.

Mr. M cGee: It is, knowledge the papers stated he confessed to 
attacks on several women.

The Solicitor: The State is not offering any evidence except in 
this case.

Mr. M cGee: If I told you the complete conversation between 
this defendant and the police at Kilby it will come out.

The Solicitor: If you bring it out.
Mr. M cGee: This boy here received three days of mental torture 

in Kilby, and that is what prompted him to confess to all these 
cases and to conduct himself as he did. They know I can bring 
in those other witnesses who failed to identify him.

The C ourt: I sustain the objection. I will give you the right at 
this time if it becomes a matter of relevancy in the case, to recall 
this witness and examine her on direct examination. I am keeping 
her under summons here until such a time as it becomes an issue 
in the case, if it does.

Mr. M cGee: I would like an exception.
The C ourt: An exception for the defendant.

(Exception noted for the defendant by direction of the Court.)

By Mr. M cGee:
Q. How far did he go in school?

141 A. Eight.
Q. Went through the 8th grade?

A. Yes, sir.
Q. Is he going to school now?
A. No, sir.
Q. He quit in the 8th?

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A. Yes, sir.
Q. Has he lived with you all his life since he was bom?
A. He has lived with me all his life with the exception of three 

months.
Q. You had an opportunity to observe him very closely?
A. He lived down the street at his grandmother’s house just 

about five houses from me on the corner.
Q. Did you ever observe him act peculiar or abnormal in any 

way?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Describe that to the Jury, different actions you observed.
A. At the time of him being three years old or so we lived here 

on Hall Street, and the house was up on a hill, up steep. The lot 
wasn’t safe without concrete steps to get up there, a pretty bad hill. 
He fell there and struck right back here, caused his nose to bleed. 
We had considerable trouble with him before he fell, and after 
that he got even worse, just bad all the time, and was running away. 
When I started talking to him he would sit there rocking hours at a 
time, and wouldn’t say anything. I said to his father one day—

The Solicitor: I object.
The Court: Objection sustained.

By the Court:
Q. Tell what you know when you answer the question.
A. Seen him when he couldn’t talk to us, seen him nervous, seen 

him, walk out when I am talking to him, seen him just acting all 
nervous, and then quiet, and laughs. I seen that.

By Mr. M cGee:
Q. Ever see any other abnormalities?
A. No more than just holding his hands over his head like that, 

and was looking up and talk to himself. (Indicating)
Q. Did he talk to himself very often?
A. He talked to himself quite often.
Q. Ever see any evidence of crying and laughing in the last 

year?
142 A. Yes, sir, he would cry. Nobody did nothing to him.

Q. In your opinion, is he normal, insane, or what?
A. In my opinion he is insane.
Q. Do you remember Monday, July the 28th of this year?
A. I found him at home then.
Q. Were you home on that day?
A. Not until four o ’clock.
Q. Did you see your boy that day?
A. Yes, sir. My boy was at home.

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106 JEREMIAH REEVES, JR., VS. STATE OF ALABAMA

Q. When did you see your boy at home?
A. On Monday, July the 28th. He would usually be there all day 

and cut my wood.
Q. What time did you leave home that day?
A. I never goes to work until 8 o’clock.
Q. Was he at home when you left?
A. He was at home when I left.
Q. Was he at home when you got back?
A. He was at home when I got back.
Q. Was he dry or wet with perspiration?
A. Wasn’t wet with perspiration when I got home. He wasn’t 

wet with anything.
Q. Do you remember how he was dressed when you got home?
  Yes, sir; I do.
Q. How was he dressed?
A. He had on a brown shirt and some big blue jeans, too big for 

him.
Q. Had on a brown shirt?
A. He had on a brown shirt, and blue jeans too large in the waist 

for him.
Q. Did you see any scratches on him that day or afterwards?
A. I don’t know anything about that, no, sir.
Q. Didn’t see any scratches on him?
A. I didn’t see any scratches on him.
Q. Did he appear nervous or upset?
A. No, sir, he wasn’t nervous, not that day when I came home 

then he wasn’t nervous, because he is back in the kitchen and said he 
has got the water on the table.

Q. He said he had done what?
A. He has put the water on the table ready for me to get sup­

per.
143 Q. You say he went the entire 8th grade?

A. He didn’t go to school this past year, not this one.
Q. He didn’t go to school this year at all?
A. No, sir. He studied music, go up every day.
Q. Where was he born?
A. Prospect Alley, right back of Crampton Bowd.
Q. Here in Montgomery?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. How much money do you make?

The Solicitor: That is objected to.
The C ourt: Objection sustained.
Mr. M cGee: I would like to note an exception.
The C ourt: Exception for the defendant,

(Exception noted for the defendant by direction of the Court.)



Mr. M cGee: I want to show he comes from a poverty stricken 
community, a poor family. I would like to make an offer to show 
he does come from a poverty stricken home which might have some 
effect on his maturity.

The Solicitor: I object to the offer.
The C ourt : Objection sustained.
Mr. M cGee: I would like an exception.
The Court: Exception for the defendant.
(Exception noted for the defendant by direction of the Court.) 

By Mr. M cGee:
Q. When you got home were the police at your house that 

Monday?
A. They had been there I was told afterwards, and came back by 

the time I got there.
Q. They got all his belongings?
A. They got all his belongings, and carried off seven shirts, some 

papers and some pants.
Q. Has he got a blue or black shirt with a yellow-gold designs on 

it?
A. Never been in my house.
Q. Does he wear a straw-hat?
A. Never.
Q. Does he have any kind of a hat?

A. Bareheaded. He ain’t got a hat he owns in my house. 
144  Q. When you saw your son at Kilby on Wednesday, did 

you ask him if he was guilty of all these offenses ?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. What did he say?
A. When I asked him, I said, “ son, did you do it?”

The Solicitor: I object to that.
The Court: Objection sustained.
Mr. M cGee: I would like to except to that. She already started 

in answering without any objection on the part of the Solicitor.
The C ourt: The objection is sustained.
Mr. M cGee: I would like an exception.
The Court: Exception for the defendant.
(Exception noted for the defendant by direction of the Court.)

Cross exam ination .

By the A ssistant Solicitor:

Q. You say your name is Carnella?
A. Carnella Reeves.

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Q. You say you remember this clay of Monday, July the 28th?
A. 28th?
Q. This last summer.
A. Yes, sir.
Q. You went to work at eight o’clock in the morning?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. And got home about four o’clock in the afternoon of the same 

day?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. You don’t know where Jeremiah was from eight o’clock in the 

morning to four o ’clock in the afternoon, do you?
A. I don’t.
Q. Do you recall whether it rained on that day?
A. I don’t recall any rain on that day.
Q. Would you say it was a fair day or a cloudy day?
A. I don’t recall any rain on that day at all.
Q. Let us take the Monday before that, Monday, July the 21st. 

Did you go to work about the same time?
A. About the same time.

Q. What did your son wear on Monday, July 21st?
145 A. I don’t keep track of what he would wear every day.

Q. What did he wear on Monday, July 14th?
A. I don’t know. I only told you what he had on that day when 

I came home. What he wore every day I couldn t tell you.
Q. Don’t know about any other day?
A. I don’t know about any other day. I don’t know, I didn’t no­

tice exactly what he wore right then not until now.
Q. What did he wear on Monday, August the 4th?
A. I don’t have any idea what he had on.
Q. What did he wear on Monday, August the 11th?
A. I didn’t keep in touch with that.
Q. You tell us you don’t know any other but this one particular 

Monday. How do you know what he wore that Monday?
A. I can tell you that he put on blue jeans that day that was give 

to him. That is all I know.
Q. How do you know he put on blue jeans that day that were 

given to him?
A. Because he didn’t have no other blue jeans to wear but those. 
Q. How do you know they were the blue jeans?
A. They was too big, because they was give to him.
Q. Didn’t you tell the Court he was wearing brown pants when 

you came back from work?
A. Wearing a brown shirt and blue jeans. He didn’t wear any 

brown pants. A brown shirt and blue jeans.
Q. Tell me what he wore last Monday.
The Assistant Solicitor: He would be in jail at that time. I 

withdraw that question.

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JEREMIAH REEVES, JR., VS. STATE OF ALABAMA 109

By the A ssistant Solicitor :

Q. Tell me what he wore Wednesday three weeks ago?
A. Is that the day they picked him up?
Q. Tell me what he wore Wednesday three weeks ago.
A. I couldn’t tell you what he wore then.
Q. Yet you can tell me what he wore on Monday, July the 28th? 
A. Yes, sir, because when I left on Wednesday three weeks ago 

he was in bed.
Q. You testified in your opinion your son is insane?
A. Yes, sir, in my opinion.
Q. How? long have you known of it?
A. I have knowed it since he has been grooved as a boy, a way 

back there around four or five I have knowed of that.
146 Q. From about four or five?

A. Because he don’t act like the others act.
Q. Have you ever taken him to a doctor, asked a doctor -whether 

he was insane, or not.
A. I have not.
Q. Did you ever try to have him committed to an institution for 

the insane?
A. I did not.
Q. Have you ever talked to anybody else about him being insane? 
A. Several neighbors around there got angry with him.
Q. That was your excuse to them?
A. That is wrhat I would tell them.
Q„ Do you recall a few days ago a worker from the Welfare De­

partment came and talked to you about Jeremiah?
A. That is right.
Q. She was seeking information in connection with this boy?
A. That is right.
Q. Did you tell that case worker you thought he was insane?
A. Told her the same thing I am telling now.
Q. Told her what?
A. I told her the way he laughed, the way he -went on. I am 

telling you the same thing I told her.
Q. Did you tell her that he —  a little brother and sister?
A. No, sir; I didn’t. She didn’t ask me that. She was asking 

about him.
Q. Did you tell her he was an obedient lad?
A. That is right.
Q. Did you tell her that you had always taken him to Sunday 

School and Church?
A. Still take him to Sunday School and Church and BTU. I got 

proof.
Q. You remember you told her he was insane?
A. Yes, sir. And even told her about the fall he had on his head.



Q. You base your opinion he is insane on the fact he talks to 
himself and puts his hands behind his back?

A. I do.

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147 J. T. T hom as , having been duly sworn, was examined and 
testified as follow s:

D irect ex am in a tio n .

By Mr. M cGee:

Q. You are J. T. Thomas?
A. Yes, sir, I am.
Q. What is your occupation?
A. Minister and cook.
Q. Cook and also a minister?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. What is your denomination?
A. Baptist.
Q. Do you know the defendant here?
A. Yes, sir; I know him well.
Q. How long have you known him?
A. I met him in 1947.
Q. Known him since 1947?
A. That is right.
Q. Does he go to your church?
A. He has been first a member of Shiloh Baptist Church, and Rev. 

Smart, a friend of mine, is pastor there; a choire member at the 
present time at my church. I am pastor of the First Baptist 
Church Congregation, Washington Park.

Q. Are you acquainted with him in the community?
A. I don’t live in the community, but I am acquainted with many 

around the community.
Q. When I speak of community, I refer to Montgomery County.
A. I have seen him several places, at the athletic field of Carver 

High School. I am interested in young people playing football. 
This was just practicing. My boy is on the team. He was on the 
practice field with them.

Q. Are you acquainted with the defendant’s general reputation?
A. Yes, sir, very much so.
Q. In your opinion, is his general reputation good or bad?
A. It is as good as anybody, I guess.
Q. Have you had an opportunity to observe him pretty constantly 

since you have known him?
A. Not too much, except once at the home of my mother-in- 

law.



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148 The Solicitor: I object to that.
The C ourt: W hat is the purpose o f this question?

Mr. M cGe e : I was going to ask him if he had observed any pe­
culiar acts and traits, and ask him if he had any opinion about the 
defendant’s insanity.

The Solicitor: I withdraw my objection.
The Court: G o right ahead.

B y M r. M cG e e :

Q. You have known him since 1947?
A. That is right.
Q. About what part of 1947?
A. It was in the spring.
Q. You testified he sings as a choire member of the Baptist 

Church, he sings at your church?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. And you have seen him play football with your son?
A. Yes, sir. We call him “Tender” for a nickname all the time. 

We tease him that way.
Q. Did you ever see anything that was peculiar?
A. Nothing peculiar, only one instant happened one time at my 

mother-in-law’s home. I don’t remember when it was. He was 
there with us. Her boys, of course, were some playful before ate 
dinner. The first thing I knew Jeremiah was standing at the back 
door crying and I asked him, “what is the trouble?” He didn’t say 
anything. My mother-in-law said—

The Solicitor: I object.
The C ourt: Objection sustained. Testify to what you saw and

heard, not what somebody said.
The W itn ess : I got to tell what was said.
The C ourt: Y ou won’t be able to testify. I will sustain the So­

licitor’s objection.

B y  Air. M cGe e :
Q. What did he then say?
A. When she asked him—
The Solicitor: I object.
The C ourt: I will let him testify that he asked him what the 

trouble was and give the reply. Overrule the objection.

B y the C ourt :
Q. What was his reply when you asked him what the trouble

was?
A. He said his arm, some of the boys twisted it, and he ran 

up on the porch crying, and he got mad. She said, “you know
149



how young boys do things. You don’t have to cry about it.” That 
is the only instance I noticed any abnormality.

By Mr. M cGee:
Q. Did you see anything else that particular day?
A. No, sir. That is all. He was just a kid.
Q. Do you think a normal person would have acted like that?

The Solicitor: 1 object.
The Court: Objection sustained. At this time he hasn’t quali­

fied to give an opinion of what a normal person would do. He is 
not testifying as an expert.

Mr. M cGee: I would like an exception.
The C ourt: Exception for the defendant.
(Exception noted for the defendant by direction of the Court.)

By Mr. M cGee:
Q. Do you think he appeared to- be insane or sane?
The Solicitor: I object. The question is whether he was sane or 

insane when this offense was committed, not at that time.
The C ourt: Sustain the objection.
Mr. M cGee: I would like an exception.
The C ourt : Exception for the defendant.
(Exception noted for the defendant by direction of the Court.)

By Mr. M cGee:
Q. When was this?
A. This incident, I believe must have been—I am not sure when 

it was, but since I got back from the service. I know that, I was 
discharged from service in January of 1947. It was since I re­
turned from service this instance was.

Q. In 1949 or 1950?
A. Before 1950. Could be 1948, 1949.
The Solicitor: I object to this testimony.

By Mr. M cGee:
Q. Did he appear at that time to be insane or sane?

The Solicitor: I object.
The C ourt: Unless you show a continued condition.

150 Mr. M cGee: I have other witnesses here who will.
The Solicitor: I withdraw the objection.

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JEREMIAH REEVES, JR., VS. STATE OE ALABAMA 113

The Court: If you don’t want to ask it, say so. If you are going 
to ask the question, go ahead, as to what his opinion is now.

Mr. M cGee: That is what the question is. The question is 
whether he was insane or sane now.

The Court: Restate your question.
Mr. M cGee: Was he at that time insane or sane.

By the C ourt:

Q. At that time were you of the opinion this defendant was sane 
or insane?

A. Insane, because I don’t think any normal person would make 
such a statement and say he was mad.

151 C ross-exam ination .

By the A ssistant Solicitor :

Q. How long do you say you have known this defendant?
A. Since 1947.
Q. You saw something wrong four or five years ago? In your best 

judgment, when did you first see something that possibly was not 
right?

A. I said 1948, which would be about four years.
Q. About four years ago?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Do you know how old he is now?
A. I think that the paper states he was seventeen.
Q. How old would you say he wras on the occasion you have 

testified about?
A. Thirteen, I would say.
Q. You tell this Court in your best judgment you believe this 

boy is insane?
A. That is right.
Q. And you base that on just one thing, you say he was crying 

on this occasion you testified about when he was thirteen years old? 
A. The statement he made of why he cried.
Q. The statement he made you testified to?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. He is still insane; you base your opinion on that he is insane? 
A. That is right.
Q. Did you tell anybody else you thought he was insane?

A. I do know I did.
152 Q. Don’t you know insane people need to be confined in an 

asylum or mental institution?
A. I do.
Q. Do you think he belongs in a mental institution?



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A. I do if he conducts himself in that manner since that time.
Q. Based on what you saw him do, crying on this occasion when 

he was thirteen, you think he belongs in a State mental institution?
A. If his general conduct was such since that time, I think he 

should.
Q. Based on what you tell the Court you saw him do, do you 

think he belonged in a State mental institution?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Did you take any steps to see that he got there?
A. No, sir; I did not.
Q. You testified he has a general good character?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Has anyone ever told you he is on parole from the juvenile 

court of this county?
Mr. M cGee: That is objected to on the ground it would be 

hearsay.
The Court : Ask him if he knows.
Mr. M cGee: I would like an exception.
The Court : Exception for the defendant.

(Exception noted for the defendant by direction of the Court.)

By the A ssistant Solicitor:

Q. The Court says you may answer.
A. I don’t know that.
Q. You don’t know that?
A. No.
Q. If that were true and you had known that would you testify 

he was a person of good character, his general reputation was a 
person of good character?

A. I can only testify to what I know.
Q. Would that make any difference now if it were true in your 

testimony?
A. I don’t know that. I can only testify as to what I know. I 

cannot answer to something that never happened.
Q. If it is true.

153 A. No one could tell about that until it happens. I cannot 
tell what I would say about him unless it happens.

Q. You testified you have seen this boy in his off hours with your 
children playing football.

A. Yes, sir.
Q. Is that right?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Your children play football with him frequently, do they?
A. It has been pretty frequent out on the practice field.
Q. During the last few years?



A. No, sir. Just the last two years.
Q. You let your children associate with him in group play, did 

you?
A. They were at school.
Q. You had no objection to your children associating with a boy 

you considered insane?
A. They were at school. I didn’t say he was insane. I said at 

the present time the way he conducted himself at that particular 
time.

Q. Now you say he isn’t insane.
A. I don’t say that. My opinion is just like it was. I said nothing 

about now.
Q. What is your opinion now, is he insane or sane?
A. I told you what his conduct was, his behavior at that particular 

time—I would judge him as an insane person, but I couldn’t say 
now. Now, we are talking about the football field. I said at that 
particular time, because that is what was asked me by lawyer 
McGee. He asked me about that particular time.

Q. You said he was insane back at that time in your best judg­
ment; is that right?

A. That is right.
Q. Have you seen anything else to make you say he is now insane?
A. The way he sang in the choire, I said, and still does.
Q. That makes him insane?
A. He is not singing now. He sings the songs bad. And it is a 

very good choire there at the Shiloh Baptist Church.
Q. Tell us what your judgment is, whether he is insane or sane 

now.
A. At times his singing would be bad.

R e-direct ex am inatio n .

154 By Mr. M cGee:
Q. The boy couldn’t sing, is that what you mean?
A. Yes, sir.

Jerry R eeves, having been duly sworn, was examined and testified 
as follows:

D irect exam ination .

By Mr. M cGee:
Q. Your name is Jerry Reeves?
A. That is right.
Q. You live in Montgomery?
A. Yes, sir.

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Q. Do you know this boy here?
A. That is my boy.
Q. How old is he?
A. Seventeen.
Q. When was he seventeen?
A. August 8th.
Q. This year?
A. That is right.
Q. Is he in school now?
A. He go up and practice with the boys in the band all the time. 
Q. Does he go to school?
A. He goes a pretty good bit.
Q. Is he enrolled as a member of that school?
A. He ain’t enrolled. He goes up there every day.
Q. Was he enrolled for part of a term?
A. I don’t know about that.
Q. What grade?
A. Eighth grade.
Q. When did he quit as a regularly enrolled pupil at the school? 
A. I think last year; I believe it was.
Q. Do you remember when they first picked him up this month? 
A. Yes, sir, on the 10th.
Q. What day was that?
A. Monday.
Q. Were you at work and away from home that Monday?

A. I working.
155 Q. Did you go home any time on this Monday?

A. Yes, sir.
Q. About what time?
A. 3:20.
Q. Was you there when your wife got there?
A. Yes.
Q. Did you see any policemen?
A. The house was full.
Q. Who did you talk to when you got home?
A. Mr. Armstrong.
The Solicitor: I object to any conversation.
The C ourt: Objection overruled. I will let him testify what he 

said to him.
The W itn ess : I came in and he said he wanted to get his belong­

ings, what belonged to Junior, and had two cigar boxes belong to 
him, and give them to him. So he said I couldn’t see him.

By Mr. M cGee:
Q. Did he tell you where boy was?
A. Camp Kilby. I couldn’t see him. I asked him why. He said

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he was the nigger committed them crimes, he would let me know 
when he got some instructions from there. He said he committed 
all them crimes, rape, and everything else. He said I couldn’t see 
him now.

The Solicitor: This conversation with Mr. Armstrong isn’t ad­
missible.

The C ourt: Objection sustained.

By Mr. M cGee:
Q. When did you see your boy next?
A. About three days afterwards.
Q. What day did you see him?
A. I think on Thursday I think it was.
Q. Did you go out to Kilby?
A. Yes, sir. I went to Camp Kilby around 1:15 and asked Mr. 

Dees could I see him. The man at the door said, “you got to see 
Mr. Dees, you better wait awhile and maybe you can see him. I 
think he is questioning him.” And I waited about twenty minutes 
afterwards and they taken me upstairs where the electric chair 
was, so they say. I don’t know where it was. I couldn’t observe it 
through the bars.

(No Cross-examination.)

156 M ary Jordan, having been duly sworn, was examined and 
testified as follows:

D irect exam ination .

By Mr. M cGee:

Q. Your name is Mary Jordan?
A. That is right.
Q. Do you know the defendant here?
A. Yes, I certainly do.
Q. What is his name?
A. His name Jeremiah Reeves.
Q. How long have you known him?
A. Been knowing Jeremiah Reeves ever since he was a small boy. 
Q. Did you see him frequently, or not?
A. Well, I didn’t live so far from him. When he lived on Hilliard 

Street he go by on Hilliard Street. And I got acquainted with him 
at the Shiloh Baptist Church.

Q. You all go to the same church?
A. We don’t belong to the same church, but I visit that church. 

That is when I became acquainted with him.
Q. How old was he when you started knowing him?

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118 JEREMIAH REEVES, JR., VS. STATE OF ALABAMA

A. Well, when I first knowed him he was quite small, and I have 
been knowing him right around sixteen years, Jeremiah Reeves.

Q. He was just a young baby when you first knew him?
A. That is right.
Q. Saw him in the community?
A. Saw him in the community.
Q. Have you seen him off and on ever since that time?
A. Sometimes I see him going to school and places, and sometimes 

I see him passing my house.
Q. Talked to him and everything?
A. Sometimes talk to him, I speak to him; sometimes he speak and 

sometimes he wouldn’t say anything.
Q. Did you ever observe him doing anything peculiar, or ab­

normal, or anything?
A. I don’t accuse him of doing anything abnormal like that; just 

kind of acting mean and all, like he was insane, or something or 
other.

Q. What made you think so, in what way?
A. Sometimes he would never talk sometimes, and again he 

157 would talk to me. I would speak to him, sometimes he 
wouldn’t speak to me.

Q. Sometimes when you spoke to him he wouldn’t answer at all?
A. That is right. And sort of mean.
Q. Did you discuss anything else?
A. Well, see him turn and stop, and go head on wherever he was 

going sometimes.
Q. Did you ever visit in his home?
A. I never has visited in the home, but I always have known 

about it, known it.
Q. Do you know his general reputation out there where he lives?

The A ssistant Solicitor: We object to that. General reputation 
as to what?

The Court : Objection overruled.

By Mr. M cGee:

Q. Do you know his general reputation in the community in which 
he lives?

A. I don’t know where he stays at, where he live on Gravel Pit. 
I wasn’t out there.

Q. When did they move?
A. Moved, I think, around about two years ago, I think they 

moved out there.
Q. That is in Montgomery?
A. That is in Montgomery.
Q, I don’t mean the county is; I mean the community in and



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around Montgomery. Do you know his general reputation in and 
around Montgomery?

A. Oh, well, as far as I know about him around Montgomery here. 
Q. You do?
A. I certainly do.
Q. Is it good or bad before this accusation?
A. That is right. I never heard him do anything.
Q. Is it good or bad?
A. It was good, whatever he was trying to do. That is as far as 

I know about him.

C ross-exam in  ation .

B y the A ssistant Solicitor:

Q. Is it your opinion this boy is insane?
A. That is my opinion.

158 Q. That is what you tell all these gentlemen right here?
A. That he is insane.

Q. The reason you tell us he is insane is because sometimes he 
talks and sometimes he doesn’t talk, and doesn’t always answrer you 
when you speak to him?

A. That is right.
Q. That is the reason you say he is insane?
A. He is insane. I said that.
Q. How long have you known that he was insane?
A. Well, he growed up, you know, to be a big size boy. I knowecl 

him from a child. I mean he got twisted a little bit.
Q. Tell me how long in years, since he was a little boy?
A. After he growed up so he was a school boy, big enough to 

school, he began to kind of act like he was insane to me.
Q. Insane people belong in a State hospital, don’t they?
A. In a hospital?
Q. In a mental hospital or asylum.
A. Oh, yes, sir, that is right.
Q. You think he belongs in an asylum, do you?
A. If he is insane. That is what he is supposed to be.
Q. Have you ever taken any steps to have him put in an asylum? 
A. I certainly have not.
Q. Do you know of anybody else who has?
A. You know, he wasn’t any relation to me at all.

R e-direct exam ination .

By Mr. M cGee:
Q. If you had a boy who wasn’t quite right mentally would you 

have him locked up or keep him home?



The A ssistant Solicitor: We object to that.
The C ourt: Objection sustained.

By Mr. M cGee:
Q. Do you think somebody should be locked up in a mental insti­

tution if the parents want to take care of them?
The A ssistant Solicitor: We object.

By Mr. M cGee:
Q. If the parents are taking care of them?
The A ssistant Solicitor: We still object.
The C ourt: We are getting into a lot of side issues. I  will let her 

testify and stop without any more side issues.

159 By Mr. M cGee:
Q. Do you think if the parents are taking care of them at home 

they should be locked up in an institution?
A. Usually if they could take care of them, if they could do that, 

I think it would be fine if they could do that. That is what I think 
about it.

F rances H all , having been duly sworn, was examined and testi­
fied as follows:

D irect ex am inatio n .

By Mr. M cGee:
Q. What is your name?
A. Frances Hall.
Q. How long have you lived here in Montgomery?
A. All my life.
Q. Work here?
A. Yes, sir; I work.
Q. Do you know the defendant here, this boy?
A. Been knowing him all his life.
Q. And do you live anywhere close to him?
A. He was born right back of where I lived. I don’t live close to 

him now. He lived to close where I lived until about four years ago.
Q. You say he was born right back of where you live at?
A. He was born right back of where I live at.
Q. That is here in Montgomery?
A- That is here in Montgomery.
Q. Do you know where he lives now?

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A. He lives in the Gravel Pit.

Q. Did you ever visit him or did he ever visit you?
A. Quite often go to church club meeting.
Q. Do you all belong to the same church?
A. No, sir. I doesn’t belong to their church, but our church club 

cooperated with their church club.
Q. You have been pretty close, in pretty close contact with Jerry 

all his life?
A. His grandmother lived the second house from me. He mostly 

was at his grandmother’s house every day until she moved about 
two years ago.

160 Q. And I guess you know his general reputation in this 
community around there?

A. He has been a good boy to my knowings. He has been in my 
house playing with the children------

The Solicitor: I object.

By Mr. M cGee:

Q. Did you have an opportunity over the years as long as he was 
there to observe his conduct and observe how he behaved?

A. As I say before, I------
The Solicitor: I object.
The Court: Is your ground he was insane?
Mr. M cGee: I want to ask about anything peculiar. She started 

to answer before I finished my question.
The Solicitor: I will withdraw the objection.

By Mr. McGee:
Q. Did you observe him behave or conduct himself in a peculiar 

manner?
A. Run around, always appeared to me he didn’t have good sense.
Q. In what way?
A. He always talked to himself, and sang, and read, and seemed 

to be upset at times, or laughing a lot, and held his head in his lap, 
and some of the time he grabbed his head and go to running in a 
circle, and cried sometimes until he started laughing.

Q. You have seen him talk to himself and laugh and seen him 
burst out crying?

A. Crying. He would just cry and then start laughing, and act 
like somebody preaching, and all.

Q. Suddenly burst out and sing?
A. Dirty songs. And he would sing loud, sing out with some 

kind of a roar, or something like that.
Q. And holds his head a lot—what do you mean by that?

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122 JEREMIAH REEVES, JR., VS. STATE OF ALABAMA

A. Grabs his head and knees like that. (Indicating)
Q. Like that holding his head?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. How long have you seen him, how long has he been behaving 

himself that way?
A. Been doing that all his life since------
Q. Has he always acted all right?

A. He acted all right sometimes. He acted sometimes all 
161 right, and most of the time he didn’t act like himself.

Q. Do you know how old he is now?
A. Seventeen.
Q. In your opinion then, from observations you made of him 

would you say Jerry is sane or insane?
A. Insane. We always thought that he was insane, he acted like 

a person insane.

Cross-ex am in a tio n .

By the Assistant Solicitor :

Q. You know he went to school, don’t you?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. He went through the 8th grade, didn’t he?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. As far as you know did he then do all right?
A. I don’t know how he did in school. I don’t know why you ask 

me a question like that.
Q. You know he sings in the choire at church, don’t you?
A. Yes, sir, he sings in the choire.
Q. Nothing unusual about singing in the church choire?
A. He don’t sing songs right in church.
Q. They didn’t make him stop?
A. They stopped him once, and everybody knowed he did this, 

but didn’t bother about it.
Q. He plays in a dance band?
A. He plays in a band, he beats the drums.
Q. How long has he been playing in a band?
A. Why, I don’t know when he started beating the drum. I know 

he beats the drum.
Q. He gets paid for that, don’t he?
A. I don’t know. I guess they pay him.
Q. What kind of a band does he play with?
A. It is the school band, Booker Washintgon school band. I know 

he has been away with an orchestra some, and came home about 
three or four weeks ago.

Q. About how many times have you seen Jeremiah in the last six 
months?



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A. I don’t know how many times. Sometimes I see him every 
day.

Q. You have been seeing him pretty often in the last six months? 
A. I have been seeing him quite a lot. Sometimes he stop 

162 and talk to me.
Q. He stops in sometimes every day?

A. Not every day he come in. He come by every day.

R edirect exam ination .

By Mr. M cGee:

Q. The fact someone goes to school doesn’t indicate whether they 
are insane or sane?

The Assistant Solicitor: Of course, we object to that.
The C ourt: Objection sustained.
Mr. M cGee: I would like an exception.
The C ourt: Y ou may have an exception for the defendant.
(Exception noted for the defendant by direction of the Court.)

E lizabeth  A lford, having been duly sworn, was examined and 
testified as follows:

D irect exam ination .

By Mr. M cGee:

Q. Speak up so everybody on the Jury can hear you. What is 
your name?

A. Elizabeth Alford.
Q. You live in Montgomery?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. How long have you been here?
A. Been here about eight years.
Q. Do you know the defendant, Jerry Reeves?
A. Know him five years.
Q. Where do you live now?
A. I live 35 Gravel Pit.
Q. Is that out in his neighborhood?
A. Joining rooms to them.
Q. In other words, you all live in the same house?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. How long have you been living out there by him?
A. A year.

Q. Living out there by him a year?
163 A. Yes, sir.

Q. Know him five years?



124

A. Yes, sir.
Q. Where did you live before you went there?
A. Lived on Clarmont Street.
Q. Is that close to Gravel Pit?
A. Yes, sir, Gravel Pit just down below.
Q. Do you go to the same church?
A. Yes, sir. I always visit his mother’s church.
Q. Did you see him at the same church with his mother?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. In the five years did you have a chance to see him fairly 

frequently?
A. Yes, sir. I have often seen him.
Q. Have seen him quite a bit?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Did you have a chance to observe whether he acted peculiar, 

or behave in a way that was not normal?
A. He always did act peculiar around me, because I was------
Q. In what way?
A. Sometimes he came out and sat down by the side of my house 

and just gazed and looked that way like his mind completely gone.

(Indicating)

Q. Sat there looking up?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. How many occasions have you seen that?
A. I didn’t count the minutes, but I watched him for a long time. 

Came out and looked up that way. (Indicating) I saw him do 
that many a time. Frequently when I was in his home he jumped 
up, grabbed the back of his head and ran right on out. Probably 
sometimes he turned around and went out the front door, and some­
times he went out the back door.

Q. Did you ever see anything else he might have done?
A. Sometimes he cries. I didn’t know what he was crying about. 

He just was a fool, I guess.
Q. Where have you seen him cry?
A. At Home.
Q. Be in the room?

A. Sitting down there talking and all of a sudden he would 
164 burst into tears. And sometimes I wouldn’t be saying any­

thing to him and he would start crying. I didn’t know what 
he would be crying for.

Q. How was he crying, loud or low?
A. It was fairly loud at times—people heard the noise.
Q. Do you know his general reputation where he lives in the 

community there?
A. Yes, sir.

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JEREMIAH REEYES, JR., VS. STATE OF ALABAMA 125

Q. Would you say it is good or bad?
A. It is good.
Q. Based on your observing him crying and sitting for a long 

time that way staring into space, would you consider him sane or 
insane?

A. Insane.
Q. Consider him sane or insane?
A. Insane.
(No Cross-examination.)

5:55 O’clock P.M .

Adjourned Until 7:15 O’clock P. M.
(The Jury retired from the Courtroom in charge of the bailiff.) 

7:15 O’clock P. M.
Present:
The Court.
The Jury.
The Solicitor and Assistant Solicitor.
The defendant, and his counsel.
(Defendant’s Evidence) (Continued).

Fannie M itchell, having been duly sworn, wras examined and 
testified as follows:

D irect examination.

By Mr. McGee:
Q. Your name is Fannie Mitchell?
A. Rebecca Mitchell.

Q, Do you live here in Montgomery?
165 A. Yes, sir.

Q. How long have you lived here in Montgomery?
A. All of my life.
Q. All of your life?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Do you know the defendant here, this boy here?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. How long have you known him?
A. Five years.
Q. Where do you live?
A. 15 Gravel Pit.
Q. Where is that?
A. Out there near the T. B. Sanitarium.
Q. Way back over in North Montgomery?



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A. Yes, sir.
Q. Is that anywhere close to where------
A. Right next door to him.
Q. Is that in the same house or the house next door?
A. House next door.
Q. How long have you lived out there?
A. Five years.
Q. You have lived out there five years?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. In other words, you have known him ever since you have lived 

out there?
A. That is right.
Q. Do you remember back to the date of July 28th of this year?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. On a Monday?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. On that particular day did you at any time see this defendant? 
A. I certainly did. He was around all that day.
Q. What time?
A. Well, from 11 o’clock until 4 o’clock.
Q. From 11 o’clock until 4 o’clock?
A. Yes.
Q. Where was he from 11 to 4?
A. At my house. We were playing dominoes. He wasn’t playing, 

but he was there with us.
166 Q. You say he was playing dominoes in your house on 

July 28th of this year?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. From 11 o’clock to 4 o’clock at night or what?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. From 11 o’colck to 4 o’clock at night or what?
A. Day.
Q. In the morning?
A. That is right.
Q. 11 o ’clock in the morning until 4 o’clock in the afternoon?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Are you positive?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. And that is next door to where he lives?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. You live way out here near the Fresh Air Camp, they call it? 
A. That is right.
Q. In the five years you have known him do you know his gen­

eral reputation in the community?
A. Yes.
Q. Is it good or bad?



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A. It is good.
Q. It is good?
A. Yes.
Q. Have you some children in your home?
A. Yes.
Q. Who was you playing checkers with?
A. My next door neighbor, and me, and a girl friend from town. 
Q. What next door neighbor, some other next door neighbor?
A. Yes.
Q. Who is that?
A. Willie Mae Bates.
Q. Anybody else there?
A. Well, me and the children and him.
Q. You and the children?
A. Yes.
Q. How many children have you?
A. Four.

Q. Are they small?
167 A. Yes, sir.

Cross-examination.

By the Solicitor:
Q. What day of the week was that?
A. On the 28th.
Q. What day of the week?
A. Monday.
Q. Did you see him the Monday before that?
A. Yes, sir. I have seen him every day during the week.
Q. You have seen him every day during the week?
A. Every day during the week.
Q. Did he play dominoes with you the Monday before?
A. Well, if there was anybody to play, he would always.
Q. Do you know about that day at all?
A. He would stop awhile and talk, and sit there talking. That is 

every day he was around there.
Q. How was he dressed that day?
A. Well, he just had on his blue jeans and a shirt. That is all.
Q. Polo shirt?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. What color shirt?
A. White color shirt.
Q. White shirt?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Did he play dominoes over there every day that week?
A. Yes, sir.



128 JEREMIAH REEVES, JR., VS. STATE OF ALABAMA

Q. Every day that week?
A. Every day.
Q. Did he play dominoes every day the next week?
A. Sometimes he didn’t play every day, but he played sometimes. 
Q. How many days during the next week did he play dominoes 

over there?
A. When we could get up a game.
Q. Did he play dominoes over there the next Monday?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Did he play Tuesday?
A. No, sir, he didn’t play Tuesday.
Q. Did he play Wednesday?

A. Yes, sir, he played Wednesday.
168 Q. Did he play Thursday?

A. No, sir, he didn’t play.
Q. Did he play Friday?
A. No, sir.
Q. Did he play Saturday?
A. No, sir.
Q. Did he play Sunday?
A. No, sir, he didn’t play Sunday.
Q. July, I am talking about, the week of July the 28th. That 

would be in August. During the first week of August did he play 
Monday?

A. Yes, sir.
Q. Play Tuesday?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Play Wednesday?
A. No, sir.
Q. Play Thursday?
A. No, sir.
Q. Play Friday?
A. No, sir.
Q. Play Saturday?
A. No, sir.
Q. Play Sunday?
A. No, sir, he didn’t play Sunday.
Q. How about the next week, the second week of August? Did 

he play dominoes at your house that week?
A. No, sir, didn’t play that week.
Q. Didn’t play at all that week?
A. He played on Friday.
Q. How do you know that week he didn’t play?
A. Well, because every day during that time I wasn’t washing or 

nothing he was around home he would play when I asked him.
Q. In other words, he played all the time you were not washing, 

he played dominoes with you?



A. Yes, sir. And he was around there holding my baby.
Q. The second week of August you were washing?
A. I wash every day.
Q. How was he dressed, on Wednesday, the second week of 

August?
A. In blue jeans and an old cotton shirt on.

169 Q. How was he dressed Wednesday the second week?
A. Well, he had on a shirt and blue jeans-pants.

Q. Have you ever seen him in other clothes besides that?
A. No more than Sunday he was dressed up going to church.
Q. Ever see him in these blue pants there? (Indicating)
A. Yes, sir; I have seen him in those a lot.
Q. That is when he was going to church?
A. He was going to church.
Q. Ever saw him in those clothes other than when he was going 

to church?
A. When we went out and went to a dance. And, of course, he 

kept them pants nice when he needed them to do something.
Q. Did he take you to the dance?
A. No, sir, he didn’t take me, he just went along.
Q. Just went along with you?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. He hung around your house quite a bit?
A. He wasn’t there all the time.
Q. Are you his girlfriend?
A. No, sir; I am not his girlfriend. Well, he is seventeen and 

I am eighteen.
Q. Let us go back to the first week in June. Did you play 

dominoes with him during that week?
A. Well, some.
Q. Do you know whether you played dominoes with him on 

Monday, the first week of June?
A. No, sir; I don’t remember that.
Q. What about Tuesday?
A. Well, we played about twelve on Tuesday.
Q. What time did you start playing on Tuesday? This is the 

first week of June.
A. Yes, sir.
Q. What time did you start playing?
A. About twelve, and played until about four.
Q. What time did you quit?
A. Played until about four o’clock.
Q. He played dominoes with you that day?
A. He sure did.

Q. How w7as he dressed that day ?
A. He had on the same shirt and pants.

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170



Q. That is Tuesday, the first week of June?
A. That is right.
Q. Do you know what date that was?
A. No, sir; I don’t remember what date.
Q. How is it you know the 28th day of July and don’t know the 

date of Tuesday, the first week of June?
A. We was looking at some names, and we all agreed they had 

the wrong party, so we got a calendar and started looking to find 
out.

Q. You tell me you played dominoes with him Tuesday, the first 
week of June?

A. Yes, sir.
Q. You tell me you played Wednesday, the second week in 

August, with him?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. What date was that?
A. Well, I don’t know what date.
Q. Do you remember what time you started that morning?
A. We would start around twelve, because that is the time I 

get through doing my washing.
Q. Played dominoes with you every day?
A. Yes, sir, plays dominoes over there every day.
Q. Every day?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Hasn’t missed a day in a year?
A. Not since I have been living around there. In fact, since 

I have been living there he is around his house and my house, as 
far as I could see. He just acted like he wanted to stay home or 
something or other. He just didn’t never act right.

Q. He played dominoes at your house on the 10th of November?
A. Well, let me see where we were on the 10th. He was there, 

but didn’t play dominoes.
Q. He was there with you, but didn’t play dominoes?
A. Yes, sir. AYatched the children then.
Q. What time did he come over there that day?
A. He came over that morning, and he went back home and came 

back again.
Q. What time did he get there that morning?
A. He got there when he got up. I reckon about eight o’clock, 

or something.
171 Q. How long did he stay over there?

A. He stayed quite awhile.
Q. Did he stay until twelve or one o’clock?
A. No, sir. He went back home.
Q. Give the time.
A. About nine o’clock, I say.
Q. What time did he come back again?

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A. Came back over about one.
Q. How long did he stay there?
A, He sat around until his mother came in, because I remember 

she called him during that time.
Q. That is on the 10th of November?
A. Yes.
Q. Do you know what day that was?
A. No, sir; I sure don’t. I don’t know exactly what day it was. 
Q. You remember everything that took place on the 10th of 

November; is that what you are telling us?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Don’t you know he was arrested and taken to Kilby Peni­

tentiary about 2 o’clock on November the 10th?
A. November 10th?
Q. November 10th. That is what I said.
A. He was around there.
Q. He was arrested and taken to Kilby Penitentiary at 2 o’clock 

on November the 10th.
A. I think he was around there.
Q. Who have you talked to about this case?
A. I haven’t talked to nobody about it.
Q. Haven’t mentioned it to anybody?
A. No, sir.
Q. Haven’t talked to any lawyer about it?
A. No, sir. I haven’t even seen a lawyer.
Q. They didn’t know what you were going to say when you got 

up here?
A. No, sir. When he came after me I was doing washing.
Q. Your testimony about November 10th is just as true as any­

thing else you have said?
A. As far as I know. They have it mixed up. As far as I know 

it was.
172-173 Q. Could you tell us what you had for dinner on July 28th? 

A. July 28th?
Q. That is right.
A. I think probably I could. July 28th we had turnip greens 

and com bread and milk for dinner.
Q. Did you feed him on November 10th?
A. I didn’t feed him November 10th.
Q. You tell us he came at 1 o’clock and stayed until his mother 

called him on November 10th; that is what you testified to, wasn’t 
it?

A. I must have meant July the 28th.

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Re-direct examination.

By Mr. M cGee:
Q. Are you positive it was Monday, July 28th, when he stayed 

with you?
A. Yes, sir; I am positive of that.
Q. You said at that time he was dressed in a pair of blue jeans.
A. Yes, sir. I do remember that.
Q. And that is out at what place?
A. Out at the Gravel Pit.
Q. What address?
A. Route three.
Q. It didn’t have a house number?
A. 15.
Q. 15 Gravel Pit?
A. Yes, sir.

174 Elizabeth A lford, recalled.
The Solicitor: I am going to object to anymore direct 

examination.
The Court: You may only examine a witness once on direct.
Mr. M cGee: This is entirely new evidence.
The Court: Of course, there has been nothing to rebut. You 

can hold her until the State is through and call her back in rebuttal. 
We cannot call back witnesses once they have testified and go 
into something entirely new.

Mr. M cGee: I have several defenses in this case and I was 
trying to offer witnesses who will corroborate each point.

The Court: You must examine them in full.
Mr. M cGee: I would like an exception.
The Court: You may have an exception.
(Exception noted for the defendant by direction of the Court.)
The Court: I will let you call this one witness, but no other, if 

you are under a misapprehension of the rule of procedure.
Mr. M cGee: The only thing I wanted to show was about this 

defendant’s mustache and how long he had it, if she knew.
The Court: I will let you call her back. You will have to fully 

examine them as to everything at one time. I think this is a dis­
cretionary matter with the Court. I will let her come back for 
the limited purpose of testifying to that.

132 JEREMIAH REEVES, JR., VS. STATE OF ALABAMA



D irect examination.

By Mr. M cGee:
175 Q. You have already testified how long you have known 

this defendant?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. You see the mustache the defendant is wearing?
A. Yes, sir. He didn’t have it only about three years.

Cross -examination .

By the Solicitor:

Q. Have you ever known him to shave it off?
A. Not since he had it.

H arvey Butts, having been duly sworn, was examined and testi­
fied as follows:

D irect examination.

By Mr. M cGee:
Q. Your name is Harvey Butts?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. How long have you known the defendant?

A. Since 1946, about five or six years.
176 Q. You see the mustache he has got now?

A. Yes, sir.
Q. How long has he had it?
A. Pretty near between, somewheres in the neighborhood of two 

or three years, I remember.
Q. Two or three years you remember?
A. That is right.
Q. I don’t know how many occasions you observed him, but I 

just wondered in the period you have known him you have noticed 
him behaving peculiarly or abnormally.

A. The onliest thing, I can tell you what he did. The onliest 
conversation, I tried to talk with him one time, and during that 
conversation— do you want to hear about it?

Q. What was it?
A. I was at church one Sunday. The church was having some 

kind of special service. I was standing out toward the back, and 
Jerry started to walk across to where I was with his daddy, and he 
said he hurt his foot, take him home, he couldn’t walk. He walked 
across the church yard to where I was. I couldn t see what was 
going on out there and didn’t pay any attention to what it was.

JEREMIAH REEVES, JR., VS. STATE OF ALABAMA 133



When he saw his daddy he started hopping and said he couldn’t 
walk. I know he walked across to where I was. That is what 
attracted my attention. After he said he couldn’t walk he said 
he got his foot hurt and wants his daddy to take him home. And 
shortly after that we were ready to go in church. Before I went 
in church he left there walking. I know that.

Cross-examination .

By the Solicitor:
Q. Do you see him every day?
A. No, sir.
Q. Every week?
A. I wouldn’t say every week. I visit church up there and see 

him there in the church.
Q. You visit church up there?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. How often do you visit church up there?
A. I visit there nearly every Sunday. Sometimes I miss a Sunday.
Q. Sometimes you miss as much as a month, do you?

A. Well, when I first started I did. I went there about 
177 every other Sunday when I first started going there, and 

after that I go approximately every Sunday.
Q. If he was at church you saw him.
A. I would see him.
Q. How often did you see him?
A. I cannot say that. That is the onliest conversation I remem­

ber having with him. That is the onliest one I can remember, to 
tell the truth.

Q. What you are saying now is that you go to church almost 
every Sunday?

A. Yes, sir; I do now.
Q. If he was at church you might see him and might not?
A. I might have seen him and might not.
Q. How many years approximately did you say he had a mus­

tache?
A. Three years.
Q. He could shave it off and grow it back and you wouldn’t know 

it? He could have shaved it off and grown it back in two or three 
weeks and you wouldn’t have noticed it.

A. Probably so. I don’t know about that.

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JEREMIAH REEVES, JR., VS. STATE OF ALABAMA 135

Jeremiah Reeves, Jr., having been duly sworn, was examined 
and testified as follows:

D irect examination.

By Mr. M cGee:
Q. Your name is Jeremiah Reeves, Jr.?
A. Jeremiah Reeves, Jr.
Q. You are the defendant in this case, are you not?
A. Yes, sir, that is right.
Q. How old are you?
A. Seventeen.
Q. When were you seventeen?
A. 8th of August, 1952.
Q. Do you remember this lady who testified this morning, Mrs. 

Crowder?
A. Yes, sir, I remember her.
Q. Do you remember seeing her down at Police Headquarters? 
A. Yes, sir.

Q. Had you ever seen her before that time?
178 A. No, sir.

Q. The 28t,h day of July, Monday, this year, do you re­
member that?

A. Yes; I do.
Q. Remember that date?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Did you go out to Mrs. Crowder’s house on Cleveland Avenue 

that day?
A. No, sir, did not.
Q. Did you go out and go in her house and attack her?
A. No, sir, did not.
Q. Had you ever seen her before you saw her at Police Head­

quarters?
A. No, sir; I hadn’t met her until they brought her down there. 
Q. Do you remember when you were first arrested?
A. Yes, sir; I do.
Q. When was that?
A. It was in the summer.
Q. I am talking about this time.
A. I was arrested November 10th, 2:10 P.M.
Q. Arrested about 2:10 P.M. November 10th this year?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. That is on Monday?
A. Yes, sir, it was.
Q. Do you remember who arrested you?
A- Yes, sir; I do.



136 JEREMIAH REEVES, JR., VS. STATE OF ALABAMA

Q. Who was it?
A. Mr. W. M. Armstrong and Mr. Tally.
Q. Where did they pick you up, where was you when they ar­

rested you?
A. I was on the comer of Union and Washington.
Q. What part of town is that in?
A. The South or West.
Q. Where from here?
A. It is over this way. (Indicating)
Q. Eastern part of town?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. What did they do when they arrested you?
A. They arrested me. First called me to the car.
Q. What were you doing when they called you to the car?

A. I was walking up the street going back to school.
179 Q. Over to the Booker Washington High School?

A. Yes, sir.
Q. They called you over to the car?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. What happened?
A. I was up the street a piece from him. He called me, “ hey, boy, 

come here.” So I came back to see what he wanted, just walked on 
back. I wanted to know what it was all about. So I got in the 
car, and then they started threatening me all the way going down­
town— “you did this, you did that,” all the way downtown to the 
County Jail.

Q. What did they say to you when bringing you downtown? You 
say the officers pulled up and stopped?

A. Yes, sir, they did.
Q, Go on and tell the Jury what it was.
A. They looked at me and said, “yes, sir, you are the damn nig­

ger.” I wanted to know what it was all about. And they started 
questioning and talking, and I was the man, and I didn’t hardly say 
a word. They was saying, “yes, this is him.” They brought me 
downtown to the County Jail.

Q. You say they started accusing you of things. Did they ac­
cuse you of things?

A. Yes, sir, they did.
Q. Tell the Jury what they said, tell everything they said you 

can remember.
A. Say, “you are the one did this, you are the one damn nigger, 

you are the one nigger messing with all the rest of the women 
around here in town.”

Q. What did you say?
A. “ I ain’t the one.” I said, “ no, sir; I ain’t the one.” They told 

me, “you ain’t the one?” They started threatening me, what they 
would do to me, and everything else.



Q. What do you mean by started to threaten you? What did 
they say?

The Solicitor: I object to unnamed people.
Mr. M cGee: He is talking about Armstrong and Tally, the two 

Deputy Sheriffs of Montgomery County who arrested him.
The Court: He has identified the arresting officers. That is what 

I am sure he is testifying about.

180 By Mr. M cGee:

Q. What kind of threats, what did they say?
A. Well, Mr. Tally told me, he said, “yes, sir, you are the damn 

nigger doing this around town all the time. Ain’t- you the one?” 
I said, “no; I am not the one.” Looked at me and said, “you are 
look like the one.” I told them I wasn’t the one.

Q. What kind of threats did they make? You said they threat­
ened you. Did they threaten you in any way?

A. Yes, sir.
Q. What did they say?
A. They said, “you might as well admit you did it. If you don’t 

we will find out and you will get the electric chair.” That is what 
they told me.

Q. What did they do with you when they got you to the County 
Jail?

A. They was talking to me and talking among themselves.
Q. How long was you in the County Jail?
A. Not more than about approximately five minutes.
Q. After you were there approximately five minutes then what 

happened?
A. They brought me out of the jail, two or three car loads of 

officers, carried me to Kilby Prison.
Q. Did they let you make any phone calls before they carried you 

to Kilby Prison?
A. No, sir, did not.
Q. Did they let you make any phone calls in Kilby?
A. No, sir. I asked them and they said nobody could see me 

and I couldn’t call anybody.
Q. You asked if you could?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. And you couldn’t?
A. No, sir.
Q. What time did you get to Kilby?
A. It was about three P. M., something like that.
Q. Did they question you about anything before they got you 

to Kilby?
A. Yes, sir, they did.

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138 JEREMIAH REEVES, JR., VS. STATE OF ALABAMA

Q. At the County Prison anybody question you?
A. Yes, sir, by the newspapermen. One took a picture of me.

Q. One took a picture of you?
181 A. Yes, sir.

Q. Monday?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Monday, the 10th?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. It was a newspaperman?
A. Yes, sir, it was.
Q. Any prison officials there?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Who was they?
A. Mr. 0. R. Dees.
Q. How long did they question you during Monday?
A. They questioned me constantly until dark, and I asked them to 

let me alone so I could go to sleep, and about the time I got to bed 
and went to sleep Mr. Dees came back and he taken me out of there 
and taken me in the room where the electric chair was.

Q. Where was that room located with respect to the cell where 
you were locked in?

A. Right next to it.
Q. He took you in the room where the electric chair was ?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. What happened then?
A. We sat down and he told me, “ the only thing that is going to 

keep you out of the electric chair, you are going to say you did it ’ 
I said, “ Mr. Dees, I won’t say I did it.” _ He said, “ the only 
wav for you to keep out of the electric chair is for you to say you 
did it,”

The Solicitor: The State has introduced no confession. He is 
giving evidence of some kind of confession. We have a confession 
but it has not been introduced. If he wants to introduce the con­
fession, I will let the defendant introduce it.

The Court: No confession has been introduced taken at Kilby 
Prison, in writing or otherwise.

Mr. M cGee: The prosecutrix testified this defendant was held at 
Police Headquarters and she was carried down there, and while 
down there asked him wdiy he did it while he was still being held m
custody. . ,

The Court: That is not what happened at Kilby Prison. What 
he told her at Police Headquarters while being held in custody, the 

Court has already held that statement to be admissible or 
182 being voluntary.

Mr. M cGee: I would like to have an exception to the 
Court’s remarks. The Court has already stated the defendant’s 
remarks were made voluntarily.



I would like to move for a mistrial because of the remark of the 
Court, about the statement of the defendant to her was voluntary. 
It is prejudicial, and the defendant cannot receive a fair trial, and 
violates the defendant’s rights under the the Constitution of the 
United States.

The Court: Motion overruled. Exception for the defendant.
I want to explain the ruling of the Court just given. The cred­

ibility of a statement given by a witness is simply for the Jury; 
The Court has no opinion at all, and expresses none on the record.

(Exception noted for the defendant by direction of the Court.)

Mr. M cGee: I would like to make another motion for a mistrial 
because of the comment by the Court that the statement by the 
defendant was voluntary, and the comment by the Court as to evi­
dence in this case, in violation of the defendant’s right of a fair 
trial as guaranteed under the Alabama Constitution. And also, 
that said comment is so prejudicial it could be used to prejudice 
the Jury so they couldn’t give this defendant a fair trial.

The Court: Motion for mistrial overruled.
Mr. M cGee: I would like an exception.
The Court: Exception for the defendant.

(Exception noted for the defendant by direction of the Court.)

Mr. M cGee: What I am trying to do is show this boy was held 
incommunicado for a period of three days, bombarded by State offi­
cials with threats of the electric chair if he didn’t confess, until he 
finally said, “ I will say anything.” And he talked to this woman 
down there when he was still being held incommunicado. And there 
has been no evidence to rebut it. His mother didn’t see him until 
Wednesday afternoon. The prosecutrix saw him in Police Head­
quarters at 11 o ’clock when she talked to him. He was refused coun­
sel. At no time was he permitted to contact his folks, friends, or 

lawyer.
183 The Court: I will sustain the objection. There is no evi­

dence as to a confession here.
The Solicitor: I will let you introduce the confession and you 

can question him if you want.
Mr. M cGee: The State has forfeited the right to introduce it, 

because they know the State rested without trying to introduce it 
because they know all of these women didn’t identify him.

The Court: You will have a right.to comment on that before the 
Jury. If a confession is going to be introduced I will let you go in 
into the circumstances.

Mr. M cGee: I am not going to introduce it. In the first place, 
I haven’t attempted to extract from him a confession. On the other 
hand, the Solicitor has introduced a confession made while in the

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presence and custody of the officers which is alleged he made to the 
woman prosecutrix. And they have introduced in the sworn testi­
mony of the prosecutrix that he did confess, and made that state­
ment to her in the presence of officers without any threats. I think 
I have the right to rebut the accurateness of that statement, show­
ing everything that happened to him from the time he was first 
picked up and held incommunicado until the present time.

The Court: I would rule you were correct if a confession wms 
taken from him under the circumstances you relate in Kilby 
Prison. If this defendant made a statement somewhere else any 
other time, I am not going to allow you to go into some other occa­
sions. The Supreme Court recently ruled on that point. I am 
bound by that ruling.

Mr. M cGee: I move the Court to permit the defendant to 
show'------

The Solicitor: If we are going to have a long showing on it I 
move that the Jury be excused.

The Court: The motion is overruled. I see no objection to 
making the motion in the presence of the Jury.

Mr. M cGee: T o show the defendant, a seventeen year old negro 
boy, who quit school in the 8th grade, was arrested at approxi­
mately 2:10 P. M. on November 10th, 1952, and was carried within a 
period of about fifteen minutes from then to the State Penitentiary, 
Kilby Prison, Montgomery County, Alabama, where he was held 

incommunicado by State and City officers and questioned 
184 continuously the rest of the afternoon, and then permitted 

to sleep only a short while, some fifteen or twenty minutes; 
he was then carried into the next room where the electric chair was 
and questioned some more by the Deputy Warden, 0. R. Dees, and 
accused of having made various kinds of attacks on some six white 
women of Montgomery County, Alabama. O. R. Dees further told 
him that if he didn’t confess to these crimes that all the women 
would identify him and he was going to the electric chair. And that 
if he would confess that he would keep him out of the chair. After 
questioning him all night he was finally permitted to go to bed 
until the following morning, Tuesday. Tuesday morning early the 
officers again began a series of constant questioning all day Tuesday 
and part of Tuesday night. Then he was permitted to go to bed. 
That on Wednesday morning he was again questioned. And all the 
time the officers were telling him if he didn’t confess to these crimes 
he would go to the electric chair, and if he did he would keep him 
out of the chair, until sometime finally Wednesday morning he 
agreed to confess to all of these crimes they had been accusing him. 
That he was then carried by the State officers of Montgomery 
County to Police Headquarters and there held by the Montgomery 
County Police and City Police officers until the prosecutrix in this 
case was permitted to view him.

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And I move the Court to permit me to prove these allegations, 
and in order to go to the credibility of the statement which is 
alleged he made in her presence while he was held.

And I move the Court to permit me to do so on the ground that a 
failure by the Court to permit me to do that is a denial to the de­
fendant of his constitutional rights as guaranteed under the Four­
teenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States.

Two. That the failure of the Court, the refusal of the Court, to 
permit me to do that is a denial to the defendant of due process of 
law as guaranteed by the Constitution of the sovereign State of 
Alabama.

Three. That the refusal to permit this proof on the part of the 
Court would constitute such a prejudicial error as to deny the de­
fendant a fair trial in this case.

That is my motion to the Court.
The Court: The motion is overruled.

185 Mr. M cGee: I would like an exception.
The Court: Exception for the defendant.

(Exception noted for the defendant by direction of the Court.)

By Mr. M cGee:

Q. AVhen did you first see your folks after you were picked up?
A. I asked them to let me see them right away.
Q. When did you finally see them?
A. Wednesday about 5 o ’clock.
Q. 5 o’clock in the morning or afternoon?
A. Afternoon.
Q. 5 o’clock in the afternoon?
A. That is right.
Q. This isn’t the first time you have been picked up by Mont­

gomery Police?
A. No, it isn’t.
Q. Were you picked up once before?
A. Yes, sir; I was.
Q. AVhen was that?
A. In the summer sometime.
Q. How long did they hold you in the summer?

The Solicitor: That is objected to, unless he fixes it before the 
date of this trial.

Mr. M cGee: Before the date of this trial?
The Solicitor: I mean before this happened. If he was picked 

up before July 28th he might have been picked up on anything.
Mr. M cGee: Most of the victims looked at him and failed to 

identify him.

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The Court: Was he picked up before or after the offense charged? 
The Solicitor: Before this offense occurred.
The Court: Objection sustained.
Mr. M cGee:I would like an exception.
The Court: Exception for the defendant.

(Exception noted for the defendant by direction of the Court.) 

By Mr. M cGee:
Q. Do you remember talking to the prosecutrix down at Police 

Headquarters?
186 A. Yes, sir; I do.

Q. The police carried you down there from Kilby Peni­
tentiary?

A. Yes, sir; they did.
Q. Had the arresting officers told you if you would admit having 

raped the prosecutrix that would keep you out of the chair?
A. Yes, sir, they did.
The Solicitor: That is objected to.
The Court: Objection overruled. He is asking about the particu­

lar admission introduced in evidence. I think it is relevant.

By Mr. M cGee:

Q. Had they?
A. Yes, sir, they did.
Q. Were you scared?
A. Yes, sir; I sure was.
Q. Did you think by saying you did it that would keep you out of 

the chair?

The Solicitor: I object.
The Court: Overrule the objection.

By Mr. M cGee:
Q. Did you think that would keep you out of the chair?
A. Yes, sir. They told me that.
Q. At that time had you seen your mom or pop, or any of your 

friends?
A. No, sir.
Q. Talked to a lawyer?
A. No, sir; I did not.
Q. Did you rape her?
A. No, sir; I did not.
Q. Where was you that day?
A. On July 28th?

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Q. Yes.
A. I was at home.
Q. What did you do at home?
A. During these hot days in summer we was playing a game of 

dominoes and cards in the front yard, and I was around home all 
day.

Q. Your mom and pop were working that day, weren’t they?
A. Yes, sir.

187 Q. They didn’t come around later or during that time and 
see you there?

A. No, sir, they didn’t, they was working that day. 

Cross-examination.

By the Solicitor:

Q. You know who I am, you have seen me before?
A. A number of times.
Q. Do you remember a conversation I had with you on the after­

noon of the 11th of November, 1952?
A. I remember it.
Q. Out at Kilby?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. And there were present at that time Mr. 0. R. Dees, Deputy 

Warden, and Mr. Murphy, the Classification Officer?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Do you remember my asking you if I could help you?
A. I remember you telling me you could help me.
Q. Do you remember my saying there was nothing I could do for 

you, the law would have to take its course?
A. That is right. Mr. Dees said if I admitted it he would do his 

best to help me.
Q. Do you remember my saying to you I couldn’t agree to any­

thing, the law would have to take its course?
A. You told me I couldn’t see anybody until I got straight with 

you.
Q. Do you know Dr. Bazar?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Do you remember Dr. Bazar?
A. I do.
Q. You talked with Dr. Bazar after you were arraigned, didn’t 

you?
A. He came out there.
Q. Did you talk to him at the County Jail?
A. Yes; I did.
Q. And you told Dr. Bazar at the County Jail you raped Mrs. 

Crowder, didn’t you?



A. I didn’t tell him nothing.
Q. You are swearing that is not true?
A. I didn’t tell him I raped anybody.

Q. You didn’t tell him you raped anybody?
188 A. I did not.

Q. Did you ever tell him you raped anybody?
A. Out there at Kilby I did.
Q. You didn’t tell him that in the County Jail?
A. No, sir; I did not.
Q. You are swearing that is true?
A. Yes, sir.
Mr. M cGee: He is under oath.

By the Solicitor:

Q. How many people have you told you raped Mrs. Crowder?
Mr. M cGee: If we go into that I feel we should go into the details, 

what he told these people, and when he told them, and why he told 
them, if that is what the Solicitor wants to show.

The Court: This is cross examination.
Mr. M cGee: I withdraw the objection.

By the Solicitor:

Q. Who have you told since your arraignment you raped Mrs. 
Crowder?

A. You say out there I told Tuesday?
Q. Since your arraignment?

By the Court:

Q. Do you understand what arraignment means?

By the Solicitor:

Q. Since you came in here and we read the indictment to you.
A. I never told nobody.
Q. You haven’t told nobody?
A. No, sir.
Q. Did you talk to Dr. Bazar over in the County Jail?
A. Yes, sir. I have talked to him twice.
Q. What did you talk about?
A. Came in and asked the same questions he asked me at Kilby. 
Q. What did you tell him?
A. I didn’t tell him nothing.
Q. You didn’t tell him anything?
A. Not anything.
Q. How long did he talk to you?

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JEKEMIAH BEEVES, JR., VS. STATE OF ALABAMA 145

A. I don’t know. I haven’t the slightest idea.
Q. About fifteen minutes or an hour?
A. I haven’t the slightest idea.

Q. Do you know what date it was?
189 A. No, sir; I don’t.

Q. You never made one single, solitary statement to him? 
A. Not as I remember it. I don’t remember.
Q. You don’t remember?
A. I don’t remember.
Q. You remember talking to him?
A. Yes, sir; I remember talking to him.
Q. Where were you?
A. I was in the building across the street there.
Q. In the building across the street?
A. Yes, sir, the County Jail.
Q. Whereabouts were you in jail?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Whereabouts were you in the jail?
A. I was held in jail when I talked to him.
Q. Whereabouts in jail?
A. Took me down______
Q. They took you to the Sheriff’s office; is that right?
A. No, sir. Taken in the back dining room.
Q. Who was there with you and Dr. Bazar?
A. Nobody.
Q. Anybody with you and Dr. Bazar at Kilby Penitentiary?
A. There was one or two men together.
Q. Where did you talk to him?
A. I talked to him in my cell.
Q. In your cell?
A. That is right. That is where I first talked to him.
Q. Didn’t you talk to him in Mr. Murphy’s office?
A. That is when I first talked to him, and then we came back 

down to the office.
Q. Are you sure about the day I am talking about? I am talking 

about Dr. Bazar. Do you remember the day I am talking about?
A. I know the day you are talking about.
Q. You say you talked to him up in your cell. Didn’t you talk to 

him in Mr. Murphy’s office by yourselves, nobody else but you and 
him there?

A. Yes, sir. That is Dr. Rehling and myself.
Q. Dr. Rehling you talked to in your cell.
A. Yes, sir. And Dr. Bazar I talked to in Mr. Murphy’s 

office.
190 Q. You had some fresh scratches on you when they talked 

to you, didn’t you?
A. So the doctor said.



Q. You didn’t see them yourself?
A. No, sir.
Mr. M cGee : I object to that. The doctor didn’t say scratches, 

and didn’t say they were fresh. He said scars, and your Honor 
remarked the Solicitor’s scratches were not even admissible, scratches 
in November from something that happened back in July. Any nig­
ger would know the difference between a scratch and a scar, and 
the Solicitor should know it.

The Court: I will sustain the objection. We are now trying one 
case, and one incident that is alleged to have happened on the 28th 
day of July. No other case, no other evidence in any other case is 
before this Court and this Jury. I sustain the objection, and the 
witness will not be required to answer the question.

By the Solicitor:

Q. You were examined at City Hall, weren’t you?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Two doctors examined you down there, didn’t they?
A. Yes, sir, they did.
Q. They asked you whether your statement was voluntary, didn’t 

they?
A. I don’t remember.
Q. You don’t remember?
A. No, sir.
Mr. M cGee: I object to a question like that without identifying 

the doctors asking him if his statement was voluntary.
The Court: Sustain the objection without the identification of the 

doctors.

By the Solicitor:

Q. Do you know where you were on July 1st, 1952?
A. On July 1st, 1952,1 don’t think I was in town.
Q. You were not in town?
A. I don’t think I was.
Q. Where would you have been?
A. I was on the road with a traveling band.
Q. What day did you get back?

A. I just remember that is when I wasn’t at home or in town. 
191 Q. You were in town on July 28th, weren’t you?

A. Yes, sir; I was.
Q. As a matter of fact, you went to Mrs. Crowder’s house on that 

day, didn’t you?
A. No, sir; I did not.
Q. You broke in there and you raped her, didn’t you?
A. No, sir; I did not.

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Q. How did you recognize her down there at Police Headquarters?
A. I didn’t recognize her.
Q. You recognized her and you said to her, “you are the lady who 

lives on Cleveland Avenue, the first one?” You knew her, didn’t 
you?

A. No, sir. You said she is one of the witnesses, and you pointed 
to me and said, “ that is the one,” and she said, “ that is the one.”

Q. As a matter of fact, she had already spoken to you?
A. I don’t know whether she had, or not. You had already twelve 

pictures and you were pointing at me.
Q. You didn’t say that?
A. No; I didn’t.
Q. As a matter of fact, didn’t you have a conversation with four 

women before you said anything to her and she said anything to you, 
didn’t you?

A. I didn’t count them. I don’t know which one spoke to me.
Mr. M cGee: This is objected to.
The Court: Objection sustained. You may ask him if he talked 

to somebody before he talked to her.
The Solicitor: That is exactly what I asked.
The Court: You may go into details of the conversation there 

with the defendant.
Mr. M cGee: If he does, I can go into details.

By the Solicitor :

Q. Didn’t you say, “you are the lady who lives on Cleveland Ave­
nue, the first one?”

A. They asked me if I seen Mrs. Crowder some place on Cleveland 
Avenue.

Q. Didn’t she look at you and say, “ do you know me?” And you 
said, “you are the lady who lives on Cleveland Avenue?”

A. No, sir; I didn’t.
Q. You don’t remember anything like that?

192 A. No, sir; I don’t.
Q. Didn’t she ask you why you raped her and you said 

you didn’t know; isn’t that the truth?
A. That is what I said.
Q. And didn’t you at that time recognize her?
A. No, sir; I didn’t.
Q. Why did you say you recognized her if you didn’t?
A. I wouldn’t have said I did it if I hadn’t been threatened the 

way I was—I would never have said it.
Q. How did you know she lived on Cleveland Avenue?
A. When she walked in there they said, “ this is Mrs. Ann 

Crowder.”
Q. Who said,that?



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A. Some man. I don’t know who it was.
Q. Didn’t three women walk in there?
A. I imagine they did.
Q. As a matter of fact, didn’t they all walk in there and look at 

you and another one started talking to you, you talked to her awhile 
too?

Mr. M cGee: I renew my objection to the general conversation.
The Solicitor: I am not asking any details.
Mr. M cGee : I am going to request the same kind of general con­

versation if you are. I thought we were trying simply this one 
case.

The Court: We are trying one case. I will let the Solicitor go 
into details of the conversation pertaining to this one case.

Mr. M cGee: If he is making general reference to it, we should 
have all the details.

The Court: The Court rules otherwise.
Mr. M cGee: I would like an exception.
The Court : Exception for the defendant.
(Exception noted for the defendant by direction of the Court.) 

By the Solicitor:

Q. Didn’t you have a conversation with some other women?
A. I don’t know, sir.
Q. You don’t know?

A. No, sir.
193 Q. Didn’t Mrs. Crowder ask you, “do you know me?” And 

you said, “yes, ma’m, you are the lady who lives on Cleveland 
Avenue?”

A. No, sir; I didn’t.
Q. You didn’t say that?
A. No, sir.
The Court: We have been over that about three times, asked him 

the same question three times. I don’t think we should be going over 
the same question again and again.

By the Solicitor:

Q. Let me ask you this. You talked to Mr. Clark? You heard 
him testify here today? You talked to him in the County Jail?

A. Who is Air. Clark?
Q. The man who testified here today and said he picked you up 

at the corner of National Avenue and Cleveland.
A. I saw him.
Q. You saw him?
A. Yes, sir; I did.



Q. You saw him in the County Jail, didn’ tyou?
A. Yes, sir; I did.
Q. You told him he was the one who picked you up, didn’t you? 
A. No, sir; I didn’t.
Q. In other words, you heard him testify about that, didn’t you? 
A. Yes, sir; I did.
Q. And he wasn’t telling the truth?
A. No, sir.
Q. You didn’t make any such statement?
A. No, sir; I did not.
Q. Had you ever seen him before?
A. No, sir, not to my remembrance.
Q. Did he pick you up out there?
A. No, sir, he didn’t.
Q. Why did you tell him he was the one who picked you up?
A. I didn’t tell him.
Q. Did you have a conversation with him?
A. Very brief one.
Q. Why did you tell him he was the one if he wasn’t the one who 

picked you up?
A. I didn’t hardly say anything to him. He asked me if I remem­

bered him, ever talking to him.
194 Q. What did you say?

A. I told him, if I recall, I didn’t remember him.
Q. What gave you the idea he was a traveling missionary?
A. A traveling missionary?
Q. Yes.
A. I don’t know. He didn’t tell me he was a traveling mis­

sionary. I didn’t see him.
Q. He talked about the church, is that what gave you the idea 

he was?
A. He didn’t talk to me about the church or anything else. Never 

saw him.
Q. You didn’t deny to him he picked you up in the County Jail.
A. Didn’t deny it?
Q. Yes.
A. I didn’t say anything to him after my lawyer came and told 

me I wasn’t to talk to anybody about anything. Whatever they 
said, I would just hear.

Mr. M cGee: When I came in the case I told him not to say any­
thing to anybody, whatever they said to him to just hear.

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R edirect exam in atio n .

By Mr. M cGee:

Q. How tall are you?
A. About five foot seven.
Q. That mustache, how long have you had it?
A. Ever since about thirteen, fourteen—I say about fourteen.
Q. Did you ever shave it?
A. No, sir, I have not.
Q. Didn’t have it shaved off?
A. No, sir.
Q. At the time this Clark guy saw you in the County Jail what did 

he say to you when he came over there?
A. When he walked in the County Jail he was with officer Arm­

strong, he looked at me and said, “yes, that is him. Don’t you look 
at me, nigger. Don’t you know us white men don’t let nothing like 
that happen to our women?” He stood there and looked at me a few 
minutes and him and Armstrong went out.

Q. Did you say anything about remembering him picking you up?
A. No, sir.

Q. As a matter of fact, he couldn’t have picked you up 
195 because you were never there ?

A. No, sir.
Q. Had you ever seen him before he went to the County Jail with 

Armstrong?
A. No, sir.
Q. Have you got a straw-hat?
A. No, sir.
Q. Did the police after they arrested you go around and search 

your house?

The Solicitor: I object.

By Mr. M cGee:

Q. Did you that day assault Mrs. Crowder?
A. No, sir; I did not.
Q. How far did you say you went in school?
A. To the 8th.
Q. What part of the 8th; did you finish the whole 8th grade before 

you quit?
A. Just about to the last of it when I got sick.
Q, In other words, you didn’t finish the 8th grade.
A. No, sir.
Q. Did they take your fingerprints, fingerprint you?
A. Yes, sir, in the County Jail.

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Q. You did discuss with the Solicitor about a trip to City Hall 
before you left Kilby?

A. Yes, sir.
Q. An interview with all of these prosecutrices?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. On that day, did they take pictures of you down there?
A. Yes, sir, they did.
Q. How many?
A. About ten or more.
Q. Later they took some more of you out at Kilby?
A. Yes, sir, they did.
Q. On Monday or Tuesday Dr. Rehling took some?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Did they take some blood out of your arm?
A. Yes, sir, they did.
Q. Did they take anything else out of you?

A. Yes, sir.
196 Q. What did they take?

A. Took fluid out of my spine.
Q. They had to tap your spine to take the fluid out?
A. Sure.
Q. Who did that?
A. Doctor.
Q. Where were you when this was done?
A. At Kilby.
Q. Was it the prison physician?
A. No, sir, it wasn’t.
Q. Do you know who it was?
A. No, sir.
Q, Did they order you to do this, order you to strip to take the 

pictures, or did you do it voluntarily?
A. No, sir, I didn’t do it voluntarily.

Charlie W illiams, having been duly sworn, was examined and 
testified as follows:

D irect examination.

By Mr. M cGee:
197 Q. Do you see that mustache he has got there?

A. Yes, sir.
Q. How long has he had it, as far as you know?
A. As far as I could remember, since I have been knowing him.
Q. Had a mustache since you have been knowing him?
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Q. Are you pretty well acquainted with his general reputation in 
the community out there?

A. A few of them..
Q. What the neighbors think about him out there, are you 

acquainted with that?
A. Yes, sir, everybody.
Q. Was it good or bad?
A. It is good.
Q. They think good of him?
A. Yes, sir.

Cross examination.

By the Solicitor:
Q. Do you see him every day?
A. No, I don’t see him every day because I works every day.
Q. Would you go for a period of weeks without even seeing him? 
A. No, sir. I see him every week.
Q. Did you see him every week in July?
A. I saw him every week in July?
Q. That is what I asked you.
A. Yes, sir; I saw him.
Q. You saw him every week in July?
A. I don’t say every week in July because I work some nights, 

three nights a week, and certain days of the week I don’t see him. 
Q. Could you have gone two weeks or more and not seen him?
A. If he was playing. He beats the drum in John Collins or­

chestra. Sometimes it would be late getting in and he would sleep 
in the day time.

Q. In other words, you go a week or two weeks, or maybe a month, 
without seeing him at all?

A. It could have been like that.
Q. As a matter of fact, he could shave his mustache off and grow 

it back again two or three times and you wouldn’t know it? 
198 A. No. It has never been cut clean since I have been know­

ing him.
Q. If sometimes you didn’t see him for a month, he could have 

shaved it off and grown it back again by the time you saw him?
A. Yes, sir, he could if he left this neighborhood.
Q. As a matter of fact, he was gone the first part of July and 

August, wasn’t he?
A. I cannot say that.
Q. You just don’t know?
A. No, sir.
Q. Do you know whether you saw him during the month of July 

around home?
A. July of this year?



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Q. 1952.
A. Yes; I seen him in 1952.
Q. I know you saw him during the year. Did you see him the 

first part of July?
A. Yes, sir; I seen him the first part of July.
Q. See him two or three times a week during the first part of July?
A. I might have. I don’t remember.
Q. He testified that he wasn’t here the first part of July, he was 

playing with an orchestra and out of town on the road.
A. As I recollect, I seen him here the 1st of July.
Q. Saw him the whole month of July?
A. I don’t know. I wouldn’t say it was the whole month.
Q. Saw him every week in July?
A. I cannot say that.

R e -direct ex am in atio n .

By Mr. M cGee:
Q. You don’t think a sixteen year old boy could shave off his 

mustache and grow it back in a month, do you?
The Solicitor: That is objected to.
The C ourt: Objection overruled.

By Mr. M cGee:

Q. Do you?
A. Yes, sir; I believe so.
Q. Shave it off and grow it back in a month, a sixteen year 

old boy?
A. It would grow back some, it wouldn’t grow so long. Shave 

a mustache, and the mustache would grow out in three 
199-205 or four days.

Q. I doubt very much that is so.
A. In about a week, because when I was sixteen I had a mus­

tache.
Q. Okay, if that is your idea you are entitled to it. Every time 

you saw him in July he had a mustache then?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. If he was gone in July and August he couldn’t have been 

here and it wasn’t him who beat the woman in this case if it hap­
pened in July?

A. If away he sure couldn’t.



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206-208 Berta Pollard, having been duly sworn, was examined 
and testified as follows:

D irect examination.

By Mr. M cGee:
Q. What is your name?
A. Berta Pollard.
Q. Where do you live?
A. No. 16 Prospect Avenue.
Q. How long have you lived here in Montgomery?
A. I have been living around there on Prospect Avenue about 

thirty years, and work at the Capital City about twenty-five.
Q. You work at the Capital City Laundry?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. About twenty-five years?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Do you know this defendant, Jeremiah, here?

A. Yes, sir. I named him Jeremiah when he was born.
209 Q. When you saw him about three months ago, did he have 

a mustache then?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. You say he did have a mustache then when you saw him three 

months ago?
A. I saw him walk by and I could see he had a mustache.

(No Cross Examination.)

R ebecca Goins, having been duly sworn, was examined and 
testified as follows:

D irect examination.

By Mr. M cGee:

Q. What is your name?
A. Rebecca Goins.
Q. Where do you live?
A. On Houston Street.
Q. How long have you been in Montgomery?
A. About sixteen years.
Q. Do you know the Defendant here?
A. Yes; I know him.
Q. How long have you known him?
A. About ten years.
Q. Do you live anywhere near where he lives?
A. No, sir.
Q. Whereabouts did you know him at?



A. I have been knowing him from the church. We go to the same 
church.

Q. You met him at church meetings, and so forth?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Do you know his family?
A. Yes.
Q. Do you see the mustache he has got?
A. I didn’t know he had a mustache until today.
Q. How old are you?
A. Fifty-six years old.
Q.. In the ten years you know him did you have a chance to see 

him very often?
210 A. No, sir, I didn’t see him a whole lot.

Q. Do you think you know his reputation in the com­
munity where he lives?

A. It is all right as far as I know about it.
(No Cross Examination.)

211 J. Lewis M iller, having been duly sworn, was examined 
and testified as follows:

D irect examination.

By Mr. M cGee:
Q. Your name is J. Lewis Miller?
A. J. Lewis Miller, correct.
Q. You are Captain of the detective force of Montgomery City? 
A. I am.
Q. You have been with the City quite awhile?
A. That is correct, yes, sir.
Q. You have been investigating some of these cases around here? 

A. I have.
212 Q. Do you remember when you all picked this defendant 

up on a prior occasion?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Do you remember that one of these victims, a Mrs. Burson, 

refused to identify him as her attacker?
A. Mrs. Burson never looked at him that time.
Q. When I was talking to you and Earl James, which was before 

I excused Mr. James, didn’t you tell me in the presence of Mr. Earl 
James Mrs. Burson didn’t identify him?

A. I didn’t tell you Mrs. Burson didn’t identify him. Mrs. Burson 
never looked at him the first time.

Q. You kept him in three days?
A. I beg your pardon. He was picked up August 30th, 1951, and 

kept there over night until we checked up his alibi and released.

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156 JEREMIAH REEVES, JR., VS. STATE OF ALABAMA

Q. And at that time when I was talking to you and Earl James 
didn’t you tell me, and didn’t I ask you if he was picked up after 
the fifth offense, and you said after the fourth one.

A. After the second one, after Mr. Dowe’s case. That is when he 
was picked up.

Q. Nevertheless, the Montgomery Police Force was satisfied he 
wasn’t the party in two of those cases at that time and you released 
him.

A. That is correct.

Cross-exam in atio n .

By the Solicitor:

Q. Did anybody look at him?
A. No, sir.
Q. Any witnesses in any case?
A. No, sir, they didn’t.
Q. Were you present at Police Headquarters on November the 

12th, 1952, when Mrs. Crowder talked to this defendant?
A. I was.
Q. Do you remember the conversation?
A. Mrs. Crowder asked him if he knew her, and he said he did, 

that she was the first lady on Cleveland Avenue. And she further 
asked him why he raped her, and he said he didn’t know. And she 
asked him how he entered the house, and he says through the back 
door.

M r. M cGe e : I m ove to exclude that on the ground the proper 
predicate hasn’t been laid.

213 The C ourt: You better examine. I will overrule the ob­
jection.

By the Solicitor:

Q. Did anyone, did you or anyone in your presence or hearing 
threaten this defendant, coerce him, offer him any promise or hope 
of reward?

A. Did not.
Mr. M cGe e : I would like to have a subpoena issued for Eari 

James.
The C ourt: He is over here.



E arl D . Jam es , having been duly sworn, was examined and tes­
tified as follow s:

D irect exam in atio n .

By Mr. M cGee:
Q. When I was talking to you and Captain Miller, didn’t Cap­

tain Miller tell me that Mrs. Burson didn’t identify this defendant?
A. I didn’t understand him to make such a remark.
Q. And didn’t I tell him then if he would so testify I would re­

lease you from the rule and also release you as a witness?
A. In our conversation you asked which was the case in regard to 

Mrs. Crowder, and we told you which number it was.
Q. In our conversation at that time, Mr. James, didn’t I say to 

Captain Miller it was after the fifth, and he said it was not, it was 
after the fourth attack this boy was picked up? Didn’t he correct 
me when I said after the fifth attack?

A. I believe you are right.

Cross-ex am in a tio n .

By the Solicitor:

Q. Do you know the date he was picked up?
A. Do you mean the last case?
Q. No.
A. No; I do not. Mr. McGee asked me that question when I 

came back from lunch, and I told him I naturally didn’t know when 
it was, and I told him I would find out, and I called Mr. Miller.
214 The Solicitor : W e have a rebuttal witness who is not here.

He said he preferred to testify tomorrow morning. His wife 
is expecting a baby, and if the Court is going to adjourn for the 
night I would like to put him on tomorrow morning.

The C ourt: The Court is of the opinion we cannot finish this 
case tonight. I was hoping we could conclude all the evidence. 
There is only one more rebuttal witness to be heard, unless the 
defense has something in answer to that, and the Court is going to 
adjourn until 9 o’clock in the morning. Let us get an early start 
in this case. It wouldn’t be fair to the Defendant, or to the attorney 
for the Defendant, to the Solicitor, and to you members of the Jury 
to have an argument of this case tonight. We are all tired, and I 
know that you are tired. The bailiff has made arrangements for you 
down at the hotel and everything wall be done to make you com­
fortable, he will take you to breakfast in the morning, and we will 
all come back and get a good start.

As I told you before, you are not to discuss this case. You are 
not to discuss the evidence or anything that occurred here. Wait

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to do that in the Jury room after you hear the Court’s Charge as 
to the law. You won’t even be allowed to read any newspapers. I 
know it is not the most pleasant place in the world to spend the 
night, and after all this is an important civic duty. If you want to 
communicate with your homes, or have anything sent to you from 
your homes to make you comfortable, you can arrange that through 
the bailiff. You cannot communicate with anyone directly.

The Court is going to take a recess now until 9 o’clock in the 
morning, and be in your places at that time and we will then pro­
ceed to conclude the case.

I presume we can excuse the witnesses unless the State and de­
fense agrees that some need to come back. Do you have any wit­
nesses you want to call back?

The Solicitor: I am going to ask Mr. Murphy to be back to­
morrow morning.

Mr. M cGee: I don’t know what they are going to say. The 
defendant’s witnesses are requested to be back, and the State’s wit­
ness, Mr. Murphy, is requested to be back.

9:32 o’clock P. M.
215 Adjourned until Saturday, November 29th, 1952, at 9 

o’clock A. M.

(The Jury retired in charge of the bailiff.)

Saturday, November 29th, 1952, 9 o’clock A. M.

Present:
The C ourt.
The Jury.
The Solicitor and A ssistant Solicitor.
The Defendant and his counsel.

State ’s R ebutting E vidence

R obert D . M u r ph y , having been duly sworn, was examined and 
testified as follow s:

D irect exam ination .

By the Solicitor:

Q. State your name, please.
A. Robert D. Murphy.
Q. What is your occupation?
A. Classification Officer, Department of Corrections and Institu­

tions.
Q. Where is your office?
A. Kilby Prison.

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Q. Were you present in your office in the late afternoon, approxi­
mately 5:30 or 6 o ’clock, November 11th of this year?

A. Yes, sir.
Q. Was the defendant there?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Did you hear a conversation between myself and the de­

fendant?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Did you hear me, or did you hear the defendant------

By the C ourt:

Q. Was anybody else present at that time?
A. Those in charge of him.

By the Solicitor:

Q. Did either you or anyone in your presence or hearing 
216 threaten this defendant, offer him any promise or hope of 

reward or coerce him in any manner?
A. No, sir.
Q. Did you hear this defendant ask me whether I could help him?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. What did I say?
A. You told him you couldn’t.
Q. Would you state all of the conversation as far as you remem­

ber it.
A. You told him you could make no promises—I don’t remember 

the exact words—-you said you couldn’t make any promises of any 
kind, the State would furnish him a lawyer if he didn’t hire one. 
I think you made some statement to the effect you didn’t know for 
sure just what the offense would be, the law would have to take its 
course, some words to that effect.

Cross-ex am inatio n .

By Mr. M cGee:
Q. You say you are an officer at the State Penitentiary?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. That is where this nigger was first carried and held up there 

five days, wasn’t he?
A. I don’t know exactly how long he was out there.
Q. What is your position out there?
A. Classification officer.
Q. What kind of duty does that position entail?
A. The processing and classification of new prisoners as well as 

old prisoners.

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Q. Take a man like this not formally charged, do you classify 
him?

A. As a rule we don’t.
Q. In this case did you?
A. No, sir; I didn’t classify him.
Q. When they discharge prisoners and send them other places, 

do you handle all that, changing records, and so forth? Do you 
keep up with the incoming and outgoing of inmates at Kilby; is 
that what your duties are?

A. Actually from the time he is brought in and processed. Once 
a man is classified and placed in a position and serial number, and 
on discharge he goes.

Q. Mr. Thetford was out there quite a bit when this boy 
217 was first picked up.

A. I don’t believe I saw him but one time.
Q. That is this particular time you are talking about now; is that 

correct?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. You talked with Mr. Thetford and Mr. Stewart last night 

after this case recessed?
A. I don’t know that I did last night. I don’t believe I did last 

night. I was outside and talked to him this morning.

P hilip  S. B azar, having been duly sworn, was examined and testi­
fied as follow s:

D irect ex am inatio n .

By the A ssistant Solicitor:

Q. State your name to the Court.
A. Dr. Philip S. Bazar.
Q. You are a practicing psychiatrist in Montgomery, are you?
A. I am.
Q. Please state the institutions which you have attended, the 

institutions of higher learning and degrees you have had from those 
places.

A. I am a graduate of McGill University of Montreal, Canada, 
was graduated in 1936, with degree of B.A., and Doctor of Medicine, 
and Master of Surgery.

Q. You are qualified in medicine and surgery as well as in psy­
chiatry?

A. Yes, sir; I am.
Q. At what hospitals have you had training following your gradu­

ation?
A. I interned in New Jersey and in Montreal, chief resident in 

psychiatry at the Verder Institute, chief medical assistant at M c­
Gill University, and in Montgomery here.

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JEREMIAH REEVES, JR., VS. STATE OF ALABAMA 161

Q. Did you have psychiatric training, and did you work along that 
line in the service?

A. Yes, sir; I did.
Q. What was the nature of that work?
A. I was chief of the neuro-psychiatric section of the 134th Sta­

tion Hospital in the Solomons, and on my return to the United 
States I was chief of the receiving hospital at Fort Bragg, North 

Carolina.
218 Q. What professional associations and societies do you 

belong to, and a member of what hospital staff here in Mont­
gomery?

A. I am chief of the neuro-psychiatric section of St. Jude’s, 
have a staff appointment at St. Margaret’s, a member of the Mont­
gomery County, Alabama State and American Medical Societies, 
member of the Alabama Neurologic and Psychiatric, and a member 
of the American Psychiatric Association.

Q. How long have you been engaged in the practice of psychiatry 
and medicine and surgery?

A. Since 1936.
Q. Did you at our request examine the defendant in this case, 

Jeremiah Reeves, Junior?
A. I did.
Q. State the number of times you have examined him, and the 

length of your examinations, and tell us what type of examination 
that you have made, and the tests you have made on this particular 
defendant.

A. Well, the direct examination, I saw him on two occasions, the 
first time at Kilby Prison on the afternoon of November 13th, 1925, 
for approximately two and one-half to three hours, and again at 
the County Jail on November the 20th for approximately two and 
one-half hours. I supplemented this examination with a report from 
the Welfare Department, and with the reports of tests made on this 
man, intelligence tests, and Minnesota multiphasic test made m 
Kilby Prison.

Q. State for what purpose these intelligence tests were given, what 
kind of tests were they—not about this man, but in general.

A. The basic test was the intelligence test, comprehension, and 
arithmetical reasoning of the patient. The Minnesota multiphasic 
is a test exploring phases, neurotic and psychopathic. By psycho­
pathic we mean tendencies toward insanity.

Q. Based on your examinations of this man, the tests given him, 
the information which you have had available to you, are you of the 
opinion Jeremiah Reeves, Junior, is sane in that he is able to dis­
tinguish right from wrong?

Mr. M cGee: I object to that.
The A ssistant Solicitor: Let me finish my question.



By the A ssistant Solicitor:

Q. Even though he may know right from wrong applied to a case 
of this type, if he can recognize what is right, would you consider 
this man sane or insane?
219 Mr. M cGee: I object to that question on the ground it 

is based on facts that are misleading.
The C ourt : Sustain the objection. There has been no quali­

fication of him what this case is. For that reason I sustain the 
objection to the question in its present form.

By the A ssistant Solicitor:

Q. We are trying Jeremiah Reeves for an attack and rape on a 
Mrs. Ann Crowder. Let me ask you if in your discussions with 
Jeremiah Reeves the case of Mrs. Ann Crowder was discussed with 
him? She is a lady who lives on Cleveland Avenue.

A. Yes.
Q. Was that discussed with him?
A. Yes, sir.
Mr. M cGee: I object to that question.
The C ourt: Overrule the objection if the conversation he had 

with him was in reference to the matter now on trial.

B y th e  A ssistant Solicitor:

Q. I will repeat the question. In regard to this offense of rape, 
and this particular offense involving Mrs. Ann Crowder, are you 
of the opinion that Jeremiah Reeves was able to distinguish right 
from wrong, in that he knew his act upon this -woman would be 
wrong, and was he able to distinguish between right and wrong, 
was he able to have elected from the facts either to do or not to do 
this particular act involving Mrs. Crowder and, therefore, in your 
opinion, based upon the facts, would he be sane?

Mr. M cGee: I object to the question on the ground it assumes 
a fact in issue. And on the further ground the question contains 
more than one question. That is the objection.

The C ourt: I sustain your objection on the ground that it in­
vades the province of the Jury as to whether or not in this particular 
case the defendant did, or did not, rape Mrs. Crowder. You may 
ask the witness whether or not this defendant was able to dis­
tinguish right from wrong, in his opinion. I am not going to let 
you assume the defendant is guilty of a particular act. The ques­
tion will have to be phrased in such a way that it is not assumed.

162 JEREMIAH REEVES, JR., VS. STATE OF ALABAMA



By the  A ssistant Solicitor:

Q. In your opinion is Jeremiah Reeves sane in that he is able to 
distinguish right from wrong in relation to this particular offense 
with Mrs. Crowder? Is he able to distinguish right from 
wrong?
220 Mr. M cGee: I object to the question on the ground it 

assumes a fact.
The Court: I am going to sustain the objection unless you elimi­

nate from it this particular offense. It is a matter for the Jury to 
decide.

The A ssistant Solicitor: What I am trying to do is find out 
whether he can distinguish right from wrong in an offense of rape.

The C ourt: If you want to put the question in the form of an 
assumption, assuming this act occurred, then in that event the 
question would be in proper form. It has to be on the basis of 
assuming and not the plain statement the offense did happen.

By th e  A ssistant Solictor:

Q. Assuming that Jeremiah Reeves had raped Mrs. Ann Crowder, 
are you of the opinion at the time the act was done he was sane 
in that he could distinguish right from wrong and could adhere 
to the right?

Mr. M cGee: I object to the question on the ground it is a 
hypothetical question not supported by any evidence in the case.

And, ground two, it assumes a fact in issue.
The Court : Overrule the objection.
Mr. M cGee: I ask for an exception.
The C ourt: Exception for the defendant.
(Exception for the defendant by direction of the Court.)

By the A ssistant Solicitor:

Q. You may answer.
A. It is my opinion that Jeremiah Reeves has the capacity to 

distinguish right from wrong, and has the capacity to adhere to the 
right, having made that distinction.

Mr. M cGee: I move to exclude the answer of the witness on the 
ground it is answering a hypothetical question that is not supported 
by evidence. On the further ground it is an answer to a question 
assuming a fact in issue.

The C ourt: Overrule the objection.
Mr. M cGee: I would like an exception.
The Court : Exception for the defendant.
(Exception noted for the defendant by direction of the Court.)

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By the A ssistant Solicitor:

221 Q. I want to go a little further with you into this matter 
now. In your discussions with Jeremiah Reeves I believe

you testified the name of Mrs. Crowder was discussed?
A. Yes, we did.
Q. Did you make any threats to him, offer him any reward, or 

hope of reward, or coerce him to talk to you?
A. No.
Q. At the time of your interviews with this defendant was any­

one present with you?
A. No.
Q. Did Jeremiah Reeves admit to you he had raped Mrs. Ann 

Crowder?
Mr. M cGee: That is objected to.
The C ourt: Objection overruled.
Air. M cGee: I object to the question on the ground, one, it calls 

for an answer which is a deprivation of the defendant’s constitu­
tional rights under he 14th Amendment to the Constitution of the 
United States.

Two. A proper predicate hasn’t been laid that the defendant’s 
alleged statement was a voluntary one.

Three. The admission of his statement, or alleged confession 
of the defendant, is a deprivation of the defendant’s constitutional 
rights and due process of law as guaranteed by the sovereign State 
of Alabama.

Four. Such admission is a direct violation of the defendant’s 
constitutional rights under the 14th Amendment of the Constitu­
tion of the United States.

The Court : Overrule the objections.
Mr. M cGee: I ask for an exception.
The Court : Exception for the defendant.
(Exception noted for the defendant by direction of the Court.)

Mr. M cGee: I would like to move the Court to permit us to 
have a hearing on whether or not this statement which the doctor 
is about to give, whether or not it was voluntarily made. I move 
the Court for permission to make this showing, upon ground one— 
the defendant is a seventeen year old nigger boy who was arrested 
on the 10th day of November at 2:10 P. M., and incarcerated in 
the State Penitentiary incommunicado until Wednesday at ap­
proximately 5 P. M.; during that period of incarceration, while 

held incommunicado, the defendant was held in a cell ad-
222 jacent to the room in which the electric chair is located, 

and the defendant was constantly questioned by a series of
officers, State officers, and threatened continuously with death in 
the electric chair. The defendant was then placed in the room

164 JEREMIAH REEVES, JR., VS. STATE OF ALABAMA



at night time with the electric chair, and there questioned by 
Deputy Warden R. 0. Dees until finally, after various officers 
told him the only thing he could do to save his life and keep out 
of the chair was to confess to these various cases, and after being 
subjected to much mental torture the defendant did agree to con­
fess to anything they wanted him to.

That further, while being held there the defendant was stripped 
naked and forced to submit to photographs taken by Dr. C. J. 
Rehling, the State Toxicologist. He had his spine tapped, and 
right arm, and fluid extracted by the prison doctor. We want an 
opportunity to show that this statement taken by the witness was 
not a voluntary statement.

The C ourt: Before I rule on the motion I want to ask you whether 
you have any evidence that you wish to make a showing of if 
anyone was present at the time Dr. Bazar talked to the defendant, 
or if anyone at that time used any coercion or force on him? Not 
at some other time, but at the time or times Dr. Bazar talked 
to him?

Mr. M cGee: What I want to show is a whole series of force and 
coercion continuously from the time he was taken out to Kilby 
until he was brought over to the County Jail without seeing an at­
torney. He was still out at Kilby at the time the doctor talked 
to him.

The Court: The motion is overruled.
Mr. M cGee: I would like an exception.
The C ourt: Exception for the defendant.

(Exception noted for the defendant by direction of the Court.) 

By the A ssistant Solicitor:

Q. Did he admit to you he had raped Mrs. Ann Crowder?
A. Yes, sir, he did.
Q. Do you recall any statements he made to you about this 

particular act?
Mr. McGee: I object to the question on the ground it is as­

suming a fact in issue.
223 The C ourt: Objection overruled.

Mr. M cGee: I would like an exception.
The Court: Exception for the defendant.
(Exception noted for the defendant by direction of the Court.) 

By the A ssistant Solicitor:

Q. Do you recall any statement he made to you about this 
particular act?

A. Yes. In attempting to explore the motivation for his act,

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which he admitted had occurred, I attempted to learn whether 
there was a physical, sexual gratification associated with the 
episode, and inquired whether he recalled having had an ejaculation 
in the course of the act, and he admitted that he had.

Mr. M cGee: I move to exclude the answer on ground, one, the 
answer isn’t responsive to the question. Ground two, the answer 
is in response to a question that assumes a fact in issue.

The C ourt: Objection overruled.
Mr. M cGee: I would like an exception.
The Court: Exception for the defendant.
(Exception noted for the defendant by direction of the Court.)

By the A ssistant Solicitor:

Q. Do you recall whether or not he told you how he entered 
that particular house?

Mr. M cGee: I object to the question on the ground it assumes 
a fact in issue.

The C ourt: Objection overruled.
Mr. M cGee: I would like an exception.
The C ourt: Exception for the defendant.
(Exception noted for the defendant by direction of the Court.)
The W itn ess : I don’t recall if he indicated how he made his 

entry in the house.
Mr. M cGee: I object to the answer, and move to exclude the 

answer on the ground the answer is in response to a question that 
is assuming a fact in issue, and move to exclude it.

The Court: The motion is overruled.
Mr. M cGee: I would like an exception.

The C ourt: Exception granted for the defendant.
224 (Exception noted for the defendant by direction of the

Court.)

By the A ssistant Solicitor:

Q. You stated you were exploring his motives. Again, with 
reference only to this particular case, did he state to you what 
his motives were in going to Mrs. Crowder’s house? I will add 
another part to that. And did he ever make any change in the 
statement of his motives?

Mr. M cGee: I object to the question on the ground it assumes 
a fact in issue.

The Court: I will sustain the objection in the form in which 
the question is put.

The A ssistant Solicitor: I will not press the question.

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Cross ex am in atio n .

By Mr. M cGee:
Q. What time did you say you first saw this defendant?
A. I didn’t say what time. I said in the afternoon of Novem­

ber 13th.
Q. You say you talked to him approximately how long?
A. About two and one-half to three hours.
Q. You made one more examination of him, I imagine?
A. That is right.
Q. Where was that examination made?
A. At the County Jail.
Q. While he was being held in Kilby Penitentiary, on the first 

examination you testified you gave him an intelligence test, I 
believe you said, and also gave him the Minnesota multiphasic 
test.

A. Yes, sir.
Q. What kind of an intelligence test was it?
A. I didn’t give him those tests. I reviewed them. They were 

administered by, as I understand, Mr. Murphy.
Q. Were you present when Mr. Murphy administered those in­

telligence tests?
A. No, sir.
Q. Do you know whether Mr. Murphy is a medical physician?
A. It doesn’t take a medical physician.
Q. I didn’t ask you that. I asked if you know whether Mr.

Murphy is a medical physician or medical doctor.
225 A. I know he is not a medical doctor.

Q. You were not present when the tests were made?
A. That is correct.

Mr. M cGee: I move to exclude that part from the direct ex­
amination as far as these two tests are concerned.

The C ourt: I sustain the objection to any tests he didn’t give 
or didn’t supervise.

The A ssistant Solicitor: He simply testified he had the bene­
fit of those tests.

The Court: There is no evidence of the way in which they were 
given, as I remember. I am ruling out any reference now to 
those particular tests.

By Mr. M cGee:
Q. Let us explore the examination you made of him on your 

first visit out there. In that examination do you recall some 
of the questions you put to him in an endeavor to determine 
■whether he was insane pr sane.

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A. Yes, sir.
Q. I would like you to repeat them, if you will be so kind.
A. Well, we follow a form or, rather, I did. The test involves 

first providing him with an opportunity to describe whatever he 
wanted to in relationship to acts of which he stood accused. It 
also involved a review of the highlights of his childhood, funda­
mental history. It involved an examination of his mental re­
sources in terms of intellectual equipment. A review of his psy­
chologic progress. A review of his social relationships, queries that 
would reveal any evidence of adolescent material, highlights of 
daily experiences, orientation as to time and places and values, 
moral values, attitudes, capacity to calculate, the use of tests 
that would determine the patient’s capacity to do abstract think­
ing, to reveal his capacity to distinguish absurdities in pictures, 
and statements used to test or determine his capacity to make 
sound judgments. I think that constitutes about the whole circle. 
Of course, I went into detail about skills, and attitudes, and prefer­
ences, his sexual development, the highlights in terms of his sexual 
development, his social relationships and attitudes. That con­
stitutes approximately the scope of the examination.

Q. Speaking of education, assuming a man has the ability to 
complete a college education, that doesn’t indicate he is sane or 

insane.
226 A. No. That is part of the examination.

Q. And as far as a man’s ability at some particular skill, 
work at carpentry, does not indicate sanity or insanity?

A. No.
Q. A man’s ability to execute a will himself, that doesn’t neces­

sarily indicate his sanity or insanity, does it?
A. Not of itself.
Q. Have you done any work in the State mental institutions 

like Bryce Institute?
A. Yes, sir. My training was in Verdun Protestant Hospital at 

Montreal. And, of course, my Army experience, in which I headed 
up the nervous diseases for three years.

Q. Do you know that they have an instrument installed at 
Bryce Institute to determine whether an insane person would 
know the difference between right and wrong?

A. No; I don’t believe I do.
Q. At Verdun—
A. Verdun Protestant Hospital.
Q. At the Verdun Protestant Hospital when someone was con­

fined— do they commit people there for observation in order to 
see if they were insane?

A. There was such a thing as a voluntary commitment, and 
such a thing as commitment by compulsion.



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Q. When you were up at the Verdun Hospital, how many did 
you have under observation?

A. It would vary. The commitment, of course, was accom­
plished by an outside physician generally, or frequently, when he 
was not able to make a diagnosis. Sometimes a diagnosis could 
have been readily made on the first day. Sometimes the problem 
was more assiduous and sometimes required a more prolonged 
observation.

Q. Where is this institution located?
A. In Verdun, Quebec.
Q. In Canada?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Do you know at the Bryce Hospital, which is in Tuscaloosa, 

Alabama, that the average period of time before they can deter­
mine whether a person is sane or insane would run four months? 
Is that consistent with your knowledge of psvchiatrv?

A. No.
227 Q. That is not consistent?

A. No.
Q. What is your idea about that matter? Be a little bit more 

specific.
A. There is no arbitrary rule or length of time. It depends 

upon the case—

The A ssistant Solicitor: Let him finish.
Mr. M cGee: How do you know he isn’t finished?
The Court: Proceed.
The W itn ess : It is no definite problem. There are some cases 

that require considerable study, but to take four months to arrive 
at a diagnosis would, of course, be quite long. There are other 
cases that are so subtle in their manifestations that the length 
of time varies before we can give a definite diagnosis of that 
particular case. The Bryce Hospital is staffed so small and the 
population so large, the length of time would not necessarily be in­
dicative of the severity of the case.

Q. Do you know how large the staff at Tuscaloosa is?
A. It fluctuates.
Q. Do you know how large it is?
A. Not of my own knowledge.
Q. Have you been over there?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Been over there lately?
A. No, sir.
Q. You don’t know what time I was referring to?
A. No.
Q. What do you mean by the selection of the staff?



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A. I said fluctuation. It would be determined in some respects 
by the ability of the examiner to apply himself to that specific 
examination.

Q. What I wras asking you was— apparently you don’t want to 
answer—in your opinion, assuming a man appeared to be a healthy, 
strong individual, it would take a long period of time to deter­
mine whether that man was normal, or not.

A. They can be so subtle the manifestations are not as easily 
identified.

Q. That kind of person would take a considerable period of time?
A. Again I say it would depend largely on the type of manifesta­

tions, and time the examiner could devote to the examina- 
228 tion.

Q. It is not possible for a person to be absolutely insane, 
as insane as any psychiatrist could determine, and still at times 
have normal periods for hours at a time without any indication 
of insanity, and be absolutely as normal as you are; isn’t that so?

A. As far as the behavior might go, his insanity would probably 
be there.

Q. When you talked to this boy it was at the request of Mr. 
Thetford, the State Solicitor, and Mr. Stewart?

A. That is right.
Q. You are being paid for your examination?
A. I don’t know yet.
Q. You are going to bill the State of Alabama?
A. I haven’t made any arrangement as to how it would be paid 

and when it would be paid if there was to be any forthcoming.
Q. You said if there is any forthcoming you will get paid?
A. I will get paid. As I say, I don’t have any assurance about 

it, that I would be paid.
Q. Will you bill the State for it?
A. That I couldn’t tell. If the fund is available.
Q. If you are told the fund is available you will bill the State?
A. That is right.
Q. Have you any doubt you will be paid for it?
A. Yes.
Q. Any serious doubt?
A. Yes,
Q. You have?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. When you went out there you went to examine this boy, 

wouldn’t you consider it an examination of a patient?
A. Beg pardon?
Q. Wouldn’t you consider your examination of that boy an ex­

amination of a patient?
A. Yes.



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Q. Isn’t it a rule of medical ethics that doctors don’t testify 
about a private examination they make of a patient?

The A ssistant Solicitor: That is objected to. He is here under 
subpoena at the request of the State.

The C ourt: Objection sustained.

229 By Mr. M cGee:

Q. Would you say any person who for long periods of 
time would sit alone by himself,, gaze up into space for a period of 
hours, and maybe after having dinner go without saying anything 
to anyone for a period of hours, grab the back of his head a few 
minutes and take off running, and conducts himself that way 
repeatedly off and on on various different occasions; and, further, 
at times would be subject to violate attacks of crying and laughing 
—would you consider a person like that an insane or sane person?

A. I wouldn’t venture a judgment or express an opinion.
Q. Would you consider him having a normal mentality, or would 

he have a normal mentality?
A. Yes, sir, in terms of insanity.
Q. He might be insane also?
A. Yes, sir, he might be.
Q. I believe you all examined this boy about two and one-half 

hours at Kilby and a couple of hours across the street?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Four or five hours all together?
A. That is right.
Q. Based on that you say he is insane?
A. Yes.

R e-direct ex am in atio n .

By the A ssistant Solicitor:

Q. In reference to counsel’s inquiry into your financial arrange­
ment, do you recall anything I said to you about financial arrange­
ments when I first talked to you about examining this boy?

A. My recollection is that you asked me to examine him; that 
you didn’t know whether I would have a fee; that maybe some­
thing could be arranged, and would I take it on that basis.

Q. And you agreed to do it, didn’t you?
A. I did.
Q. Since that time I told you we hope we can pay you.
A. That is right.
Q. And we will try to arrange for payment?
A. Yes, sir.



T estimony  C losed 

230 9:45 A. M. Recess

(The Jury retired to the Jury Room in charge of the bailiff.)

10:03 A. M. Court Resumed 
Parties present as before noted

C olloquy

Mr. M cGee: I would like to make a motion at this time for 
a mistrial upon the ground, one, that a member of the Jury when 
questioned on his voir dire answered falsely.

Ground two, that the panel was questioned as a whole by the 
Court as to their interest and bias in this matter, and by counsel 
for the defense as to their activities, and it has just been brought 
to my attention, to the attention of defendant’s counsel, that one 
member of the Jury, who is the chief of the Montgomery Reserve 
Police Force, which Police Force was organized for the dual pur­
pose of tracking down alleged negro rapists and night time bur­
glaries; that said chief of the Montgomery Reserve Police Force 
was active in the work on this case. His name is Jack Page, and 
I would like to call him as a witness to support my motion. Had 
that been brought out he wouldn’t be on that Jury. And I don’t 
believe with him on there there is any possibility of this man 
getting a fair trial. This is a horrible case against this guy and 
means everything to him, and we can certainly have a Jury with­
out that in Montgomery County.

The C ourt: The Jury was qualified by the Court separately 
and individually. The Jury was also qualified as to every ques­
tion propounded and asked that they be qualified by you. I 
would like to have a hearing on it outside of the presence of the 
Jury. I would be glad to grant you a hearing on it.

The Solicitor: There was no question asked whether any mem­
ber of the panel was a member of the Reserve Police Force. I am a 
member of the Naval Reserve and that doesn’t enter into my 
qualifications. He has been working on cases, but has not worked 
on or had any connection with this case, and didn’t have any 

opinion or bias in this case.
231 Mr. M cGee: If he is working, active in the Reserve Force, 

that is part of his occupation. He was active in these cases 
and still is, and certainly has an interest and bias in this case. He 
has been investigating them with the Police Force. He is bound 
to have independent knowledge. It is to the honor of Montgomery 
County to establish a fair case, and I am sure the Solicitor would 
be glad to have a mistrial and give every defendant a fair trial 
who might be tried in this County.

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JEREMIAH REEVES, JR., VS. STATE OF ALABAMA 173

The Solicitor: I don’t think you can unqualify anybody after 
the trial has reached this stage.

Mr. M cGee: His Honor can enter a mistrial.
The C ourt: I don’t think that disqualifies him unless you show 

Mr. Page has an opinion about this case. He said he had no 
opinion about this case.

Mr. M cGee: That is part of his occupation. I think it is prima 
facie to show interest and bias, a member of the Reserve Police 
Force organized to track down alleged rapers. I am not trying 
to sell horses in this. I am talking about honest to goodness Chris­
tian facts.

The Court: Have you any evidence to show he is biased?
Mr. M cGee: By questioning him, that is all.
The Solicitor: I would object to questioning him. He cannot 

go back into that.
Mr. M cGee: He is the chief of the Montgomery Reserve Police 

Force on active duty running down this defendant and acquainting 
himself with the facts connected with this case, with this defend­
ant. I would like to put him on the stand.

The Solicitor: I object to any questions being propounded to 
him.

Mr. M cGee: I would think the State wouldn’t want to accept 
any verdict rendered by this Jury. It is not worth taking that 
chance. There is no reason why this nigger could not be tried 
by a juror without excepting to one member.

The C ourt: The Jury has been qualified and there is no duty 
on the Court to requalify the Jury. Motion overruled.

Mr. M cGee: I would like an exception.
232 The Court: You may have an exception.

Court.)
(Exception noted for the defendant by direction of the 

10:09 A. M.
The Assistant Solicitor opened the final argument to the Jury 

on behalf of the State.
10:33 A. M.

Mr. McGee presented final argument to the Jury on behalf of 
the defendant.

11:13 A. M.
The Solicitor presented final argument to the Jury on behalf of 

the State.
During the closing argument of the Solicitor to the Jury:
Mr. McGee: I object to him saying I questioned the integrity 

of the Jury. I only objected to one of the jurors.
The C ourt: Go ahead, Mr. Thetford, with that qualification.



174 JEREMIAH REEVES, JR., VS. STATE OF ALABAMA

233 C harge of t h e  Court

James J. C arter,
Special Judge.

G entlem en  of th e  Ju r y : It now becomes my duty as the 
Judge presiding at this trial to charge you as to the lawr governing 
this case. You have been selected to serve on this Jury, and upon 
you, as citizens of Alabama, selected to sit on this Jury, devolves 
the duty to pass upon an issue which involves the life and liberty 
of a fellow citizen. Bring to the discharge of this duty all the 
wisdom, patience, impartiality and courage that you possess. Give 
to the evidence in this case your faithful, earnest and impartial 
consideration, examine it deliberately, coolly and dispassionately, 
and let the evidence in this case be the great pole star, in the light 
of which you are to pursue your quest in your investigation after 
the truth of the matters submitted for your consideration and 
decision. Let nothing interfere with your fair judgment, all to 
the end that under the law and the evidence full and complete jus­
tice may be done between the State of Alabama and this defend­
ant.

Now, gentlemen, with reference to your duty as the Jury in 
this case, and my duty as the Judge presiding at this trial, let me 
say that you as a Jury, and I as a Judge, have each a separate 
and distinct province, within the bounds of which each of us must 
keep if justice is to be done according to law. It is my duty as 
Judge to preside at this trial, to rule on points of law, and to in­
struct you as to the law governing the case. As the Judge pre­
siding at the trial of this case, I have no opinion as to the facts, 
and if I did have, it would be highly improper for me to express 
an opinion. I have no opinion as to the facts, and I instruct you 
that you are not to consider in your deliberations any ruling 
or statement made by me at any time during the course of this 
trial as being an indication I have any opinion at all as to the facts, 
for I have none.

In this case, gentlemen of the jury, you, and you alone, are 
the sole judges of the facts, and the weight and sufficiency of the 
evidence is for you alone. All questions of fact are to be deter­

mined by you, and it is not for the Judge to give you in-
234 structions as to matters of fact.

In this case, gentlemen of the jury, we are trying one 
action and one offense, you are to try that action and that action 
alone, on the evidence that comes from that stand and nothing 
else. You, and you alone, will be the judges of the truth, and 
you are to find the truth. The credibility of the witnesses and 
the weight to be given their testimony is for you as the triers of 
fact. You have seen the witnesses on the stand, you have heard



them testify, you have had an opportunity to observe their de­
meanor on the stand; you may consider their interest in the case, 
the relation of the witnesses to the parties involved, and whether 
they are willing, or unwilling, or too willing witnesses. From 
the evidence you are to determine the truth. If you find that a 
witness testified falsely as to any material fact, you may, in your 
discretion, disregard all the testimony of that witness, or you may 
accept that which you find to be true and reject that which you 
find to be false.

Now, as to any statement, or alleged confession or admission 
which may have been made, the weight of such a statement or ad­
mission is for you and you alone, and you are to determine the 
weight and credibility of the evidence here in the light of the cir­
cumstances that were existing at the time such statement was 
given.

Now, gentlemen of the jury, the defendant in this case has tes­
tified in his own behalf, and this he has a perfect right to do. You 
cannot capriciously disregard his testimony anymore than that 
of any other witness. The law is that you must take his testimony 
and consider it along with all the other testimony in the case, but 
while you are considering his testimony you may take into con­
sideration the fact that he is the defendant in the case and is in­
terested in the result.

Now, gentlemen, when a defendant is placed on trial charged 
with the commission of a public offense he is, under the law, pre­
sumed to be innocent. This defendant enters this trial with this 
presumption of innocence in his favor, and it is a fact that is to 
be considered as evidence and should not be disregarded, and this 
presumption of innocence remains and abides with the defendant 
throughout the trial until overthrown by evidence which convinces 

the Jury of the defendant’s guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. 
235 The defendant here is being tried under an indictment 

charging the offense of rape. The mere fact that the de­
fendant was arrested and accused of the alleged offense, and the 
further fact that the Grand Jury found an indictment against him 
therefor, are not facts or circumstances to which the Jury is al­
lowed to look in determining the guilt or innocence of the defend­
ant, nor is the accusation, arrest or indictment circumstances in 
law or in fact showing or tending to show that the defendant is 
guilty of the offense charged. These things were merely the 
authorized procedure by which an accused may be put upon trial, 
and are in no sense facts or circumstances from which it may be 
judged that he is guilty. Gentlemen, the presumption of in­
nocence, evidentiary in its nature, under all the rules of law, at­
tends the accused throughout the trial, and until the presumption is 
overcome by the evidence in the case, and until it is shown beyond

JEREMIAH REEVES, JR., VS. STATE OF ALABAMA 175



a reasonable doubt and to a moral certainty that the presumption 
must fall and that the defendant is guilty.

Now, in this case, the burden of proving that the defendant is 
guilty as charged in the indictment rests upon the State, and before 
a conviction can be had in this case the State must satisfy the Jury 
of the defendant’s guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. Unless the 
State so satisfies you of the defendant’s guilt beyond a reasonable 
doubt, then the defendant is entitled to an acquittal at your hands. 
For a verdict of guilty to be returned in this case, the entire Jury 
shall believe from the evidence, beyond a reasonable doubt and to 
a moral certainty, that the defendant is guilty as charged in the 
indictment, to the exclusion of every probability of his innocence, 
and every reasonable doubt of his guilt, and, if the prosecution 
has failed to furnish such measure of proof, and to so impress the 
minds of the Jury of the defendant’s guilt, the Jury should find 
the defendant not guilty.

Now, the phrase “reasonable doubt,” is self-explanatory and ef­
forts to define it do not always clarify the term, but if may help 
you some to say that a doubt which would justify an acquittal 
must be an actual and substantial doubt, not a mere possible doubt. 
A reasonable doubt is not a mere guess or surmise, and it is not a 
forced or a captious doubt. If, after considering all the evi­
dence in this case, you have an abiding conviction of the truth of 

the charge, then you are convinced beyond a reasonable 
236 doubt, and it would be your duty to convict the defendant.

The reasonable doubt which entitles an accused to an ac­
quittal is not a mere fanciful, vague, conjectural or speculative 
doubt, but a reasonably substantial doubt, arising from the evi­
dence and remaining after a careful consideration of the testi­
mony, such as reasonable, fairminded and conscientious men would 
entertain under all the circumstances.

Now, you will observe, gentlemen, that the State is not required 
to convince you of the defendant’s guilt beyond all doubt, but 
simply beyond all reasonable doubt and to a moral certainty. Now, 
moral certainty is that degree of assurance which induces a man 
of sound mind to act, without doubt, upon the conclusions to 
which it leads, a certainty that convinces and directs the under­
standing and satisfies the reason and judgment of those who are 
bound to act conscientiously upon it.

I am going to define what is meant by circumstantial evidence. 
Circumstantial evidence is the proof of certain facts and circum­
stances in a given case, from which a Jury may infer other con­
nected facts which usually and reasonably follow, according to the 
common experience of mankind. Now, the humane provision of 
the law is, that upon circumstantial evidence there should not be 
a conviction unless to a moral certainty it excludes every other

176 JEREMIAH REEVES, JR., VS. STATE OF ALABAMA



reasonable hypothesis than that of the guilt of the accused. No 
matter how strong may be the circumstances, if they can be recon­
ciled with the theory that some other person may have done the 
act, then the guilt of the accused is not shown by that full measure 
of proof which the law requires.

Now, gentlemen of the jury, you have heard the testimony in 
this case as to the good character of the defendant. The law on 
that subject is this: “ Good character, if proved by the defendant, 
and taken in connection with all the other evidence, may generate 
a reasonable doubt which would entitle the defendant to an ac­
quittal, even though without such proof the Jury would con­
vict.”

Now, the indictment in this case charges as follows: “ The Grand 
Jury of said County charge, that before the finding of this indict­
ment Jeremiah Reeves, Junior, whose name is to the Grand Jury 
otherwise unknown, forcibly ravished Mrs. Ann Crowder, a woman, 

against the peace and dignity of the State of Alabama.” 
237 Under this indictment the defendant is charged with the 

offense of rape. Now, under Section 395 of Title 14 of the 
Code of Alabama of 1940 it is provided: “Any person who is 
guilty of the crime of rape shall, on conviction, be punished at 
the discretion of the Jury, by death or imprisonment in the 
penitentiary for not less than ten years.”

Now, rape, gentlemen of the jury, is having unlawful carnal 
knowledge of a woman, forcibly and without her consent. The 
law of Alabama is that, “ to sustain an indictment for rape, proof 
of actual penetration is sufficient, when the act is shown to have 
been committed against the consent of the person on whom the 
offense was committed.”

Force is an indispensable element of the offense of rape. The 
consent of the female yielded at any time before the act of pene­
tration relieves the act of its felonious character. The force need 
not be actual physical force. The force may be actual physical 
force overcoming the resistance of the woman, but it is sufficient 
if the force is constructive force such as duress or being put in fear. 
The offense of rape is complete if the woman is made to yield 
through fear, and does not consent voluntarily to the act of sexual 
intercourse. Thus, one who by force and against the consent of the 
female has sexual intercourse with her is guilty of rape.

Now, gentlemen, the indictment charging rape also includes the 
lesser offense of assault with intent to ravish. The law of Alabama 
provides that any person 'who commits an assault on another with 
intent to ravish, shall, on conviction, be punished by imprison­
ment in the penitentiary for not less than two nor more than twenty 
years. Assault wuth intent to ravish must be a forcible attempt 
to have sexual intercourse with a female against her consent. The

JEREMIAH REEVES, JR., VS. STATE OF ALABAMA 177



offense of assault with intent to rape includes all elements of rape 
except the sexual act, and with an intent to have intercourse with 
a female by force and against her consent. To justify a convic­
tion for assault with intent to rape, the evidence must show acts 
and conduct on the part of the defendant leaving no reasonable 
doubt of the accused’s intentions to gratify his lustful desire 
against the consent of the female and regardless of resistance.

The indictment charging rape also includes the lesser 
238 offense of assault and assault and battery. The Alabama 

law provides that “ any person who commits an assault, or 
an assault and battery on another, shall, on conviction, be fined 
not more than five hundred dollars, and may also be imprisoned in 
the County Jail, or sentenced to hard labor for the County, for not 
more than six months.”

Now, an assault is an attempt or offer, with force or violence, to 
do a corporal hurt to another, whether from malice or wanton­
ness, with such circumstances as denote at the time an intention 
to do it, coupled with a present intention to convey such intention 
into effect. And any touching of another in rudeness or anger 
is an assault and battery.

Now, gentlemen of the jury, to the indictment in this case the 
defendant has interposed two pleas. One is the plea of not guilty, 
and the other is the special statutory plea of “not guilty by reason 
of insanity.”

The plea of not guilty is what we call a plea of the general 
issue, and under this plea the burden is upon the State to satisfy 
the jury by the evidence of the defendant’s guilt of the offense 
charged beyond a reasonable doubt. The State has the burden 
of proving every element of the crime charged against the defend­
ant, and the law requires that in order to convict, the jury must 
be satisfied of the defendant’s guilt beyond a reasonable doubt 
and to a moral certainty.

The plea of not guilty by reason of insanity is a special plea, 
and the burden of proving this plea is upon the accused, and under 
the law he has the burden of proving to the reasonable satisfac­
tion of the jury his defense of insanity. Under our law, the ques­
tion of the accountability of a person for criminal action can be 
triable only under a special plea of insanity interposed at the 
time of the arraignment of the defendant. The defense of in­
sanity must be specially pleaded, and it has been pleaded in this 
case, because the plea of the general issue “not guilty” does not 
put in issue the question of the irresponsibility of the accused by 
reason of the alleged insanity; and, without this special plea the 
defendant could not offer evidence of his insanity. The purpose 
of the statute has been set to separate, as far as possible, the two 
defenses, “not guilty” and “not guilty by reason of insanity,” and

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JEREMIAH REEVES, JR., VS. STATE OF ALABAMA 179

to have the proof directed to each of the two defenses, and
239 the verdict to respond to each of such defenses.

It has been said by an Alabama Jurist that, reason being 
the common gift of God to every man, every man is presumed to 
be sane—that is, of natural and normal mental condition; and, I 
charge you that under the laws of Alabama every person over the 
age of fourteen years charged with crime is presumed to be re­
sponsible for his acts.

Now, the burden of proving that the defendant is irresponsible 
is cast upon the accused, and under the law he has the burden 
of clearly proving to the reasonable satisfaction of the Jury his 
defense of insanity.

The proper legal rule of responsibility in criminal cases is well 
settled in Alabama, and one who is so insane as to be incapable 
of entertaining the criminal intent cannot be guilty of crime or 
held criminally responsible for his acts. The legal tests by which 
one’s responsibility for crime is judged are now as follows:

1. Where there is no capacity to distinguish between right and 
wrong, as applied to the particular act, there is no legal respon­
sibility.

2. Where there is such capacity, a defendant is nevertheless 
not legally responsible if, by reason of the duress of mental disease, 
he has so far lost the power to choose between right and wrong 
as not to avoid doing the act in question, so that his free agency 
was at the time destroyed; and, at the same time, the alleged crime 
was so connected with such mental disease as the relation of cause 
and effect, as to have been the product or offspring of it solely, 
these are the tests by which you are to be guided in considering 
the special plea of “not guilty by reason of insanity.”

Insanity to relieve from criminal responsibility must be caused 
by or result from a disease, lesion or disorder of the brain or mind. 
Not every transient departure from normal conduct is insanity. 
For example, anger itself is often said to be a sort of madness, but 
it is not such insanity as confers legal irresponsibility for crime.

Irresistible impulse generated by wdcked propensities will not 
excuse the violation of law. Depravity is not a disease. High

240 temper, hot blood, and passion are not such mental ailments 
as will excuse the commission of crime.

Now, gentlemen of the jury, in this case you have heard evidence 
concerning alibi. Now, an alibi is defined as this. It is a term 
used to express that mode of defense to a criminal prosecution, where 
the party accused, in order to prove that he could not have com­
mitted the crime with which he is charged, offers evidence to show' 
that he was in another place at the time. When the defendant at­
tempts to prove an alibi, the burden of proof is upon him to prove



it successfully. The burden of proof is on the State to convince the 
Jury by the evidence beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant 
is guilty as charged, and this burden is never discharged until after 
a consideration of the whole evidence, including the evidence offered 
as to an alibi, and the Jury is so convinced. In order for the evi­
dence as to an alibi to be sufficient in law to generate in the minds 
of the Jury a reasonable doubt of the defendant’s guilt, it must be 
strong and cogent enough to reasonably satisfy the Jury, when 
taken and considered with all the other evidence, that the defend­
ant was at some other place, and could not have committed the act 
charged. The great weight of authority supports the well established 
rule, that the defendant is entitled to an acquittal if the evidence 
concerning the alibi, together with all the other evidence in the case, 
raises a reasonable doubt of guilt.

Now, gentlemen of the jury, if after fairly and fully considering 
the evidence you are not satisfied of the defendant’s guilt beyond a 
reasonable doubt and to a moral certainty, then you should acquit 
the defendant, and in that event your verdict will be, “ we, the Jury, 
find the defendant not guilty.”

If you are satisfied from the evidence beyond a reasonable doubt 
and to a moral certainty that the defendant had sexual intercourse 
with Mrs. Ann Crowder, forcibly and without her consent, and if 
the defendant in this case has clearly proved to your reasonable 
satisfaction his defense of insanity, then it is your duty to render 
a special verdict that the defendant is not guilty by reason of in­
sanity. In that event the form of your verdict would be, “we, the 

Jury, find the defendant not guilty by reason of insanity.” 
241 In the event the State has convinced you by the evidence 

beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant is guilty of 
rape as charged in the indictment, and the defendant has not 
proved to your reasonable satisfaction his defense of insanity, the 
form of your verdict will be, “we, the Jury, find the defendant 
guilty as charged and fix his punishment at death,” or, “ We, the 
Jury, find the defendant guilty as charged and fix his punishment 
at (so many) years in the penitentiary,” the number of years not 
being less than ten.

If you are not convinced by the evidence beyond all reasonable 
doubt and to a moral certainty that the defendant is guilty of rape, 
but you are convinced from the evidence beyond all reasonable 
doubt and to a moral certainty that the defendant is guilty of an 
assault with intent to ravish, and the defendant has not- proved to 
your reasonable satisfaction his defense of insanity, your verdict 
will be in this form, “We, the Jury, find the defendant guilty of an 
assault with intent to ravish.” Under that verdict you do not 
decide the punishment. That is entirely for the Court. You only 
fix the punishment if you find the defendant guilty of rape itself.

180 JEREMIAH REEVES, JR., VS. STATE OF ALABAMA



If you are not convinced by the evidence beyond all reasonable 
doubt and to a moral certainty that the defendant is guilty of rape, 
or an assault with intent to ravish, but you are convinced from the 
evidence beyond all reasonable doubt and to a moral certainty 
that the defendant is guilty of an assault or an assault and battery, 
and the defendant has not proved to your reasonable satisfaction 
his defense of insanity, your verdict will be, “We, the Jury, find the 
defendant guilty of an assault (or an assault and battery) and fix 
his fine at (so many) dollars, not more than $500, or decline to 
assess a fine.” In which event, if the Jury declines to assess a fine, 
it becomes the Court’s duty to impose a hard labor sentence not 
exceeding six months by imprisonment in the County Jail.

Now, members of the Jury, any verdict you reach in this case 
must be a unanimous verdict, all twelve of you must agree upon that 
verdict. You take this case and deliberate upon it. As I told you 
before, bring to it everything you can in the way of fairness and 
impartiality, consider it fairly from the evidence coming from that 

stand as to the offense charged in this indictment, nothing 
242 else. Designate one of your number as foreman, and let 

whatever verdict you render be written on the back of the 
indictment, and then I will ask that it be signed by one of your 
number as foreman. I have prepared a number of forms of verdict 
which I will give you to take into the room with you, to aid you 
in writing on the back of the indictment whatever verdict you 
reach. These are the possible verdicts that may be returned in the 
case.

Is the defense satisfied?
Mr. M cG ee : Yes.
The C ourt: Is the State satisfied?

(Side bar conference between the Court and counsel, not re­
quested to be taken by the Reporter.)

The C ourt: N ow, Gentlemen of the Jury, at the request of the 
defendant, as he has a right to do, he has requested certain written 
charges as to the law. They are principles of law which are not in­
consistent with anything I have told you in the oral charge. They 
are to be considered by you in your consideration of the charge.

“ The Court charges you, gentlemen of the jury, that a person 
charged with a felony should not be convicted unless the evidence 
excludes to a moral certainty every reasonable hypothesis but of 
the defendant’s guilt; no matter how strong the circumstances are 
they do not come up to the full measure of proof which the law 
requires if they can be reasonably reconciled with the theory that 
the defendant was innocent.”

“ The humane provision of the law is, that upon circumstantial 
evidence there should not be a conviction unless to a moral certainty

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182 JEREMIAH REEVES, JR., VS. STATE OF ALABAMA

it excludes every other reasonable hypothesis than that of the guilt 
of the accused. No matter how strong may be the circumstances, 
if they can be reconciled with the theory that some other person may 
have done the act, then the guilt of the accused is not shown by that 
full measure of proof the law requires.”

“ If the facts, no matter how strong, can be reconciled with the 
theory that another may have committed the crime, the accused 
should be acquitted.”

“ Gentlemen of the Jury, unless the evidence against the prisoner 
should be such as to exclude to a moral certainty every hypothesis 
but that of his guilt of the offense imputed to him, you must find 

the defendant not guilty.”
243 “ I charge you, gentlemen of the jury, that you are author­

ized to take into consideration any pecuniary interest any 
witness may have in the result of your verdict, as to what weight 
you will give the testimony of such witness.”

“ If there is a conflict in the testimony of the witnesses offered by 
the State, and those offered by the defendant, the Jury must deter­
mine which of said witnesses they will believe; and in determining 
what weight they will attach to the testimony of any particular 
witness, they may look to the manner of such witness on the stand, 
and to his interest and feeling (if any) in the case, and as to whether 
or not he has been contradicted by other witnesses in the cause, 
or by his own previous statements.”

“ If any of the State’s witnesses have exhibited malice against 
the defendant or anger, or have testified to contradictory statements 
and thereby satisfied the Jury that they have not testified truly, 
and are not worthy of belief, and the Jury think their testimony on 
these accounts should be discarded, they may discard it altogether.” 

“The Court charges you, gentlemen of the jury, that if any of 
the State witnesses have exhibited bias against the defendant, or 
anger, and satisfied you that they had not testified truly, and were 
not worthy of belief, and you thought their testimony should be 
disregarded, you may disregard it altogether.”

“A well settled rule of law that if there be two reasonable con­
structions which can be given to facts proven, one favorable and 
the other unfavorable to the defendant, it is the duty of the Jury 
to give that which is favorable, rather than that which is unfavor­
able, to the accused.”

“The Court charges you, gentlemen of the jury, the law says that 
it is far better that the guilty should go unwhipped of justice than 
that the innocent should be punished.”

“ The Court charges that if the State’s witnesses have exhibited 
prejudice or anger against the defendant, and satisfied you that they 
have not testified truly and are not worthy of belief, and you think 
their testimony should be disregarded, you may disregard it alto­
gether.”



“ The Court charges that, if there is a probability of defendant’s 
innocence, you should acquit him.”

244 “ You may consider the pecuniary interest that any wit­
ness may have in the result of your verdict in weighing the 

testimony of such witness.”
“ The Court charges the Jury that if they find, from the evidence, 

that Mrs. Ann Crowder, has made contradictive statements as to 
the material facts in the case, or to any of such facts the Jury may 
look to such contradictory statements in determining what credence 
it will give to the testimony of Mrs. Ann Crowder.”

“ If any witness testifying has been impeached, then the Jury may 
disregard his testimony, unless his testimony be corroborated by 
other testimony.”

Gentlemen of the Jury, take the case, consider it, and arrive at a 
verdict. As I have told you, it must be a unanimous verdict. Write 
the form of your verdict on the back of the indictment and have it 
signed by one of your number as foreman. I will give you all possi­
ble forms of verdict that could be rendered in the case.

Gentlemen, take the case.
12:11 o ’clock P. M. The Jury retired to the Jury room to de­

liberate.
12:45 o ’clock P. M.

JEREMIAH REEVES, JR., VS. STATE OF ALABAMA 183

Present:
The Court.
The Jury.
The Solicitor and Assistant Solicitor.
The defendant and his counsel.

V erdict

The C ourt: Gentlemen of the Jury, have you agreed upon a 
verdict:

A Juror: W e have.

The Court : Let the Clerk read the verdict.
The Cl e r k : “ We, the Jury, find the defendant guilty as charged 

and fix his punishment at death.”
245 The Court: Let the record show all twelve of the jurors 

separately and severally and individually acknowledge this 
as their verdict.



246 In the  C ircuit C ourt of M ontgomery C ounty, A labama 
N ovember T erm , 1952

No. 5121

State of A labama

184 JEREMIAH REEVES, JR., VS. STATE OF ALABAMA

Jerem iah  R eeves, Junior 

Offense— R ape

West Court Room, Court House, Montgomery, Alabama, Wed­
nesday, December 3rd, 1952, 9 o’clock A. M.

Present: Hon. James J. Carter, Special Judge. William P. 
Thetford, Esq., Circuit Solicitor. John N. McGee, Jr., Esq., for the 
defendant. Jeremiah Reeves, Junior, the defendant.

The C ourt: Bring Jeremiah Reeves to the bar.
Jeremiah Reeves, you have been tried by a Jury and found guilty 

of rape and punishment fixed at death. The judgment of the Court 
is that you are guilty. Have you anything to say at this time as 
to why the sentence of the law should not now be pronounced upon 
you?

The D efendant : N o, sir.
The C ourt: It is, therefore, considered and ordered by the Court, 

and it is the judgment and sentence of the Court, that the Sheriff of 
Montgomery County shall remove the said defendant, Jerem iah  
R eeves, Junior, forthwith to Kilby Prison at Montgomery, Ala­
bama, where the said Jeremiah  R eeves, Junior, shall remain in 
custody until the 23rd day of January, 1953, and on said day in 
strict accordance with the law the Warden of Kilby Prison at 
Montgomery, Alabama, or such other person as may be authorized 
by law, shall put the said Jerem iah  R eeves, Junior, to death by 
causing to pass through the body of the said Jeremiah R eeves, 
Jun ior , a current of electricity of sufficient intensity to cause the 
death of the said Jeremiah  R eeves, Junior, and that the applica­
tion and continuance of such current of electricity to pass through 
the body of said Jeremiah  R eeves, Junior, until he, the said Jere­

m iah  R eeves, Junior, is dead.
247-254 And it is further ordered by the Court that the Clerk of 

this Court will issue the necessary warrant for the execu­
tion of the said Jeremiah  R eeves, Junior, as required by law.

The defendant appeals from the judgment of the Court and ques­
tions of law arising in this case for the decision of the Supreme 
Court of Alabama,

It is further ordered by the Court that pending said appeal to the



Supreme Court of Alabama, the said defendant, Jerem iah  R eeves, 
Junior , be confined in Kilby Prison pending said appeal to the Su­
preme Court.

It is so ordered.
Mr. M cGee: I would like to sign a pauper’s oath.
The Court: I can go ahead and enter an order at this time if 

you do so move. I think that is in accordance with the law, and we 
can definitely know whether a transcript will be ordered for him. 

The Court stands adjourned at this time. (9:05 o’clock A. 
M.)

255 I n the Supreme Court of Alabama

[Title omitted]

Order of Supreme Court Passing Cause to Call of 8th  D ivision
— May 14, 1953

I t I s Ordered that this cause be and the same is hereby passed to 
the Call of the 8th Division, to-wit: Thursday, May 21, 1953.

256 Argument and Submission— M ay 21, 1953

(Omitted in printing)

257 [File endorsement omitted]

In the Supreme Court of Alabama

The State of Alabama— Judicial Department 
Special Term 1953

3 Div. 663

Jeremiah R eeves, Jr.

JEREMIAH BEEVES, JR., VS. STATE OF ALABAMA 185

State of A labama

Appeal from Montgomery Circuit Court 

Opinion— Filed August 6, 1953

M errill, Justice:
Appellant, Jeremiah Reeves, Jr., age seventeen years, was indicted 

for rape by a grand jury of Montgomery County. Upon trial, the 
jury found him guilty and imposed the death penalty. Judgment



and sentence were in accord with the verdict. After his motion for 
a new trial was overruled, he brought this appeal.

There is no reason to make a detailed statement of the evidence. 
The following summary will suffice.

The prosecutrix, a white woman, testified that about 12:15 P. M. 
on July 28, 1952, a negro male entered her home and forcibly 
ravished her, beat her about the head, took some money and de­
parted. A neighbor testified that the prosecutrix came to her house 
about 12:40 P. M. in a state of shock and hysteria; that she was 
badly bruised and bleeding and asked her to report the attack to the 
police. The testimony of two doctors who treated her that day 
tended to support her claim that she had been ravished. Reeves was 
arrested Monday, November 10,1952 at 2:10 P. M. On Wednesday 
morning prosecutrix identified him at Montgomery Police Head­

quarters.
258 On the trial a witness for the State testified that he saw 

defendant running along a street about two blocks from 
where prosecutrix lived; that he picked him up in his automobile 
a short time before one o ’clock P. M. and carried him six or seven 
blocks. The defendant offered some testimony that he was insane, 
some as to his good character, denied his guilt and claimed certain 
statements he had made were the result of coercion and promises. 
He sought to prove an alibi, that he was present where a group of 
people were playing dominoes, and this claim was supported by the 
testimony of one witness. Certain parts of the evidence will be 
more fully developed in the discussion of the matters raised in 
appellant’s brief.

Counsel for defendant argue many points in brief and we consider 
them as they are raised, numbering them for convenience.

1. Defendant was denied due process because he was arraigned 
on the day following the return of three indictments against him by 
the grand jury and required to plead to same when no copies had 
been served on him.

The indictment was returned on November 14, 1952 and defend­
ant was arraigned November 15th. A copy of the indictment and 
venire was served on him on November 17th. Our statute requiresE 
that the venire and a copy of the indictment be served on the de­
fendant in a capital case at least one entire day before the day set 
for trial, and that is all the notice to which he is entitled.—Title 30, 
section 63, Code. In the instant case the trial was set for November 
26th. “ The law neither requires that a defendant in a criminal case 
shall have previous notice of the indictment nor a copy of it previous 
to his arraignment.”—Dix v. State, 147 Ala. 70, 41 So. 924. The 
defendant pleaded not guilty and not guilty by reason of insanity. 
The record shows the arraignment to be regular in all respects.

2. Local Act No. 118, 1939 Local Acts of Alabama establishing

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the jury commission of Montgomery County violates section 105 
of the Constitution, and the jury commission is without legal 
authority.

The local act referred to provides that the jury commission of 
Montgomery County shall be composed of the circuit judges, the 
judge of probate, the sheriff and the clerk of the circuit court. This 
act is not violative of section 105 of the Constitution on authority 
of State, ex rel. Brandon v. Prince, 199 Ala. 444, 74 So. 939. In that 

case a local act which provided that the members of the board 
259 of revenue of Tuscaloosa County should constitute the jury 

commission was held not to violate section 105 of the Con­
stitution.

3. That negroes are systematically excluded from jury service 
by the jury commission.

The defendant filed a motion to quash both the indictment by the 
grand jury and the petit jury panel on the ground that negroes have 
been systematically excluded from the jury rolls. Circuit Judge 
Eugene W. Carter recused himself on the ground that he had become 
a witness in said cause and Mr. James J. Carter was appointed 
special judge to try the case.

Circuit Judge Eugene W. Carter and Circuit Clerk John R. 
Matthews were called as witnesses for the defendant to testify in 
support of his motion to quash; Circuit Judge Walter B. Jones, 
James E. Pierce, a negro school teacher, and D. Caffey, a negro 
real estate dealer, were called as witnesses for the State. The testi­
mony of the jury commissioners showed that there was no discrimi­
nation as to race or creed and that both races were represented on 
the panel to try the instant case. The negro witnesses testified that 
they had been previously called for jury duty, one having served 
at least six times, and that they had been requested to furnish 
names of negro citizens to the jury commission. Title 30, section 
20, Code, requires the names of jurors to be printed on plain white 
cards all of the same size and texture and printed thereon the 
name, occupation, place of residence and place of business of the 
juror. Neither the' card nor the actual jury list shows the race of 
the juror. Defendant showed none of the circumstances to be 
present which were the basis of the holding in the case of Avery v. 
Georgia, United States Supreme Court No. 648, May 25, 1953, nor 
anything in conflict with our holding in Vaughan v. State, 235 Ala. 
80, 177 So. 553. There was no evidence to sustain defendant’s 
motion and it was properly overruled by the Court.

4-10. These propositions are concerned with the contentions that 
Special Judge James J. Carter was without authority to act, and 
that he did not receive the consent of the defendant as required by 
section 160 of the Constitution and section 125 of Title 13, Code.

The following is quoted from the record and comes immediately

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after the recording of the announcement of Judge Eugene W. Carter 
that he would recuse himself:

“ The defendant’s attorney and the solicitor were called to 
the bar in the presence of the defendant, and they stated 

260 that the State of Alabama and the defendant has agreed 
that the Hon. James J. Carter be appointed as Special 

Judge in the trial of said cause, in accordance with section 124, 
Title 13 of the 1940 Code of Alabama. The said James J. 
Carter was called to the bench and was informed of the agree­
ment that he serve as Special Judge in the case, and asked if 
he would serve. He stated in addition to agreement of counsel 
he would prefer to have an appointment by the Governor of 
Alabama to make it doubly sure that no objection be made to 
his appointment as Special Judge. The defendant’s attorney, 
in the presence of the defendant, stated that at no time would 
he make any objection to the appointment of James J. Carter 
as Special Judge.

“ Hon. Eugene W. Carter, presiding, thereupon recused him­
self from sitting at said trial; and the case was then continued 
for trial until November 28th, 1952.”

The defendant offered no evidence at any time to show that the 
above statement in the record is incorrect.

The Governor of Alabama did appoint James J. Carter as Special 
Judge to hear the case, and defendant’s attorney agreed and stated 
he had no objection thereto.

The statutory grounds of disqualification of a judge, section 6, 
Title 13, Code, are not exclusive so as to eliminate grounds for dis­
qualification under the common law.—Ex parte Benson, 254 Ala. 
47, 47 So. 2d 180. Judge Eugene W. Carter was eminently correct 
when he recused himself on the ground that he had become a witness. 
The rule is stated in 48 Corpus Juris Secundum 1068, Judges, section 
83 (b ) : “ A trial judge should not preside in a case in which he is 
a material and necessary witness.”

11. Defendant was denied due process of law and denied his con­
stitutional rights because the assistance of a private stenographer 
was denied his counsel.

On the morning of November 26th, prior to Judge Eugene W. 
Carter recusing himself, he had ruled that only officials of the court, 
witnesses and relations of the accused could remain in the court room. 
Defendant’s counsel stated that Mr. Ira Fred Watson, a private 
stenographer, was supposed to be present and he wanted Mr. Watson 
to assist him in the trial. The solicitor objected on the ground that 
Mr. Watson was not a court official and the court denied counsel’s 
request. However on November 28th, prior to the noon recess and 
prior to the taking of the testimony of the State’s first witness at

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JEREMIAH REEVES, JR., VS. STATE OF ALABAMA 189

two o’clock P. M., Special Judge James J. Carter presiding, the 
following took place:

“ The Court : What about your motion to have a stenogra­
pher assist you? You may have one if you like.

“ Mr. M cGee: I will not press that. I cannot locate him 
now.”

261 12-13. Inculpatory admissions or admissions in the nature
of confessions or a confession of actual guilt by defendant 

were admitted into evidence although defendant offered to show 
that a previous confession had been obtained from him based on 
the promise that the only way to keep out of the electric chair was 
to confess this and another criminal assault.

Certain statements made by defendant to the prosecutrix and a 
psychiatrist were admitted in evidence. The defendant objected 
and offered to show that defendant had confessed that he had com­
mitted this and other offenses after he had been taken into the 
room at Kilby prison where the electric chair is located and there 
told by the deputy warden of the prison that the only way to keep 
out of the electric chair was to say that he committed the offense. 
No such alleged confession was ever offered or introduced in evi­
dence. The court permitted the defendant to testify to the above 
mentioned conversation with the deputy warden but would not allow 
the particulars of the alleged confession to be given in evidence 
because no confession made at Kilby prison had been introduced.

The defendant contends that the rule in Huntley v. State, 250 
Ala. 303, 34 So. 2d 216, applies, the rule being:

“Where a confession has been obtained, or inducement held 
out, under circumstances which would render a confession in­
admissible, a confession subsequently made is not admissible 
unless, from proper warning of the consequences, or from other 
circumstances, there is reason to presume the hope or fear 
which influenced the first confession is disspelled, and in ab­
sence of any such circumstances influence of the motives proved 
to have been offered will be presumed to continue, and to have 
produced the confession unless the contrary is shown by clear 
evidence.

"**We come now to the consideration of defendant’s statements 
which were admitted in evidence.

The prosecutrix testified that after the assault she next saw 
defendant at police headquarters in Montgomery on Wednesday, 
November 12th, that she identified him and a few minutes later 
talked with him in the presence of two other women, a Lieut. Miller 
and other policemen in the room. A proper predicate was laid for



the introduction of the conversation and defendant objected by 
written motion. The jury was excluded and defendant was per­
mitted to examine prosecutrix as to what happened in her presence. 
After hearing the evidence, the court ruled the statement was volun- 
ary; the jury was recalled and the following took place:

262 “ Q. I am going to ask you the question over again.
The question I asked was this. Did he make any state­

ment to you at police headquarters on the 12th, Wednesday, 
the 12th of November? Did you have a conversation with him?

“A. Yes, sir; I did.
“ Q. I would like you to tell the jury what conversation you 

had with him, who asked the first question, what the reply was, 
as best you remember.

“ A. I asked the first question.
“ Q. What was the question, what did you ask him?
“A. ‘Why did you do it?’ And to that he just shook his head, 

and later he said, ‘I don’t know.’
“ Q. Did he deny he raped you?
“A. No, he did not.
“ Q. Did he recognize you?
“A. Yes.
“ Mr. M cGee: I object.

“ By the Solicitor:

“Q. Let me put it this way. Did he say anything that would 
show he recognized you?

“A. Yes, he did.
“ Q. What did he say?
“ A. He was asked which house was I in— ‘where do you re­

member her from?’ And he told them, ‘Cleveland Avenue, the 
first one.’

“ Q. ‘Cleveland Avenue, the first one’?
“ A. Yes.
“ Q. He said that to you at that time?
“A. He was speaking to someone else, but I was in the room.
“ Q. Did you have any other conversation with him yourself?
“ A. Yes. I asked him by which door he entered the house, 

and he said he entered by the back door.
“ Q. I want you to look at this defendant. Now, do you 

positively identify him as the man who raped you?
“A. Yes.”

While these statements of defendant are not direct confessions of 
guilt, we think they are inculpatory admissions in the nature of a 
confession—that is, directly relating to the fact or circumstances of

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JEREMIAH REEVES, JR., VS. STATE OF ALABAMA 191

the crime and connecting the defendant therewith, and as such are 
subject to the same rules of admissibility as direct confessions, and 
are therefore prima facie involuntary and inadmissible. McGehee 
v. State, 171 Ala. 19, 55 So. 159; Herring v. State, 242 Ala. 85, 5 So. 
2d 104; Tillison v. State, 248 Ala. 199, 27 So. 2d 43. They there­

fore require a predicate showing that they were voluntary. 
263 Another witness testified to a confession of defendant. The 

admission of this testimony was not discussed in appellant’s 
brief but it is our duty to consider it under the automatic appeal 
statute.—Section 382 (1), 382 (13), Title 15, Code 1940, Pocket 
Part. During the cross examination of defendant he both denied 
and admitted telling Dr. Bazar, a Montgomery psychiatrist, that 
he had raped prosecutrix. On rebuttal by the State, Dr. Bazar 
testified that he had examined the defendant on November 13th 
and November 20th for approximately twro and a half hours each 
time, seeking to determine the sanity of the accused. After a 
proper predicate had been laid and the court had offered to allow 
defendant to present any evidence showing that anyone at that time 
used any coercion or force on him, Dr. Bazar testified that the de­
fendant told him that he had raped the prosecutrix. He also testi­
fied that in his judgment defendant was sane.

As we have already observed, the court went into the matter of 
the voluntariness of these statements out of the presence of the 
jury and held them to be voluntary. This Court said in the case of 
Dennison v. State, 5 Div. 550, Supreme Court, MS: “ The duty, as 
we have said so many times, of determining the voluntariness vel 
non of a confession so as to authorize its admissibility is addressed 
to the trial court in the exercise of an enlightened discretion,” and 
in Fewell v. State, 6 Div. 483, Supreme Court, MS, we find this 
statement: “ This Court has held that the court’s decision allowing 
a confession in evidence will not be disturbed unless it appears that 
it is palpably contrary to the great weight of the evidence.—Vernon 
v. State, 239 Ala. 593, 196 So. 96.” The court charged the jury on 
this point as follows:

“ Now, as to any statement, or alleged confession or admission 
which may have been made, the weight of such a statement or 
admission is for you and you alone, and you are to determine 
the weight and credibility of the evidence here in the light of 
the circumstances that were existing at the time such state­
ment wras given.”

The defendant was questioned from 2:10 P. M. to 7:30 P. M. 
Monday, most of the day Tuesday and part of the forenoon on 
Wednesday. He did not claim any physical violence or threat of 
it to procure any statement from him.

We come now to the question of the psychological coercion. Un­



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der defendant’s own description of his interrogation it was not shown 
that he was deprived of refreshment, rest or relief or that it was so 
prolonged and unremitting as to accomplish extortion of an in­

voluntary confession. There was no evidence or claim of the 
264 employment of the “ relay technique” .

It is not disputed that defendant was held incommunicado 
until the afternoon of November 12th, but there is no claim made 
that he was illegally detained. The Supreme Court of the United 
States has held that the requirements of the Fourteenth Amend­
ment do not “ impose rules of evidence on state courts which bind 
them to exclude a confession because, without coercion, it was ob­
tained while a prisoner was uncounseled and illegally detained.— 
Stroble v. California, 343 U. S. 181, 197; Lisbena v. California, 314 
U. S. 219.”—Stein v. New York, U. S. Supreme Court No. 391, June 
15, 1953.

At this point we should recall that although defendant testified 
that he had been told if he would admit having raped the prosecu­
trix that would keep him out of the electric chair, there was no 
evidence of a confession on direct testimony offered by the State. 
That came only on rebuttal from Dr. Bazar after the defendant 
had been questioned about his conversation with Dr. Bazar and the 
proper predicate had been laid as to the voluntariness of the state­
ment. The inculpatory admissions made to the prosecutrix did 
come on direct presentation of the State’s evidence. In consid­
ering all the evidence, especially the fact that the solicitor told the 
defendant on the afternoon of November 11th (Tuesday) that he 
could make him no promises and the law would have to take its 
course, and that there is no claim of coercion or promises made to 
defendant when he had the conversation with the prosecutrix 
Wednesday at police headquarters and the finding of the Court, after 
taking evidence, that the statements were voluntary, we cannot say 
that the admission of these statements was reversible error. More­
over, the admissions to the prosecutrix and the confession to Dr. 
Bazar did not form the basis of a conviction. The State had es­
tablished the identity of this defendant as the perpetrator of the 
crime by very convincing proof “ and the matter of confession was 
but cumulative and approached what might properly be termed 
supererogation,” Johnson v. State, 242 Ala. 278, 5 So. 2d 632, cert, 
denied 316 U. S. 693, 713, or as stated in Stein v. New York, supra, 
“Here the evidence of guilt * * * is enough apart from the con­
fessions so that it could not be held constitutionally or legally insuffi­
cient to warrant the jury verdict” .

14. After the testimony closed defendant moved for a mistrial 
on the ground that counsel had just learned that one juror was 
chief of the Montgomery Reserve Police Force, organized for the 
purpose of tracking down rapists and burglars.



JEREMIAH REEVES, JR., VS. STATE OF ALABAMA 193

265 This motion was denied by the court on the ground that 
each juror had been qualified separately and individually and

the juror had not been disqualified. Counsel for defendant then 
asked to be allowed to question the juror himself. This request 
was properly refused by the court under the rule of Vernon v. 
State, 239 Ala. 593, 196 So. 96, and Ball v. State, 252 Ala. 686, 42 
So. 2d 626, that “ objections going to the venire of the petit jury or 
any member thereof, must be made before entering upon the trial 
of the case on its merits under the defendant’s plea of not guilty, 
and a failure to make such objections constitutes a waiver.—Peter­
son v. State, 227 Ala. 361, 150 So. 156.” See also Shepherd v. Ken­
drick, 245 Ala. 541, 17 So. 2d 763; Batson v. State, 216 Ala. 275, 113 
So. 300.

15. The expression of an opinion by the trial judge as to a fact in 
issue was reversible error.

During the trial defendant’s counsel was referring to the conver­
sation of the prosecutrix with the defendant and the court stated 
that it had already held that statement to be admissible as being 
voluntary. Counsel for defendant moved for a mistrial which was 
overruled and the court made this statement to the jury:

“ I want to explain the ruling of the court just given. The 
credibility of a statement given by a witness is simply for the 
jury; the court has no opinion at all, and expresses none on the 
record.”

It is clear that the remark of the trial judge that he had pre­
viously held the statements to be “voluntary” did not injuriously 
affect the substantial rights of the defendant or make any intima­
tion which tended to prejudice the defendant’s case before the jury. 
The cases of Pate v. State, 19 Ala. App. 243, 96 So. 649, and Hair v. 
Little, 28 Ala. 236, cited by defendant, are not applicable here.

16. The evidence is insufficient to support a conviction of rape. 
The evidence was not only sufficient to take the case to the jury 
on the charge of rape, but was amply sufficient to support the verdict 
of the jury.

On the whole evidence with respect to the inculpatory admissions 
to the prosecutrix and the confession to the doctor, there is nothing 
to show that the trial court’s action in admitting them was mani­
festly wrong or that defendant’s rights under the Federal Consti­
tution were infringed.—Phillips v. State, 248 Ala. 510, 28 So. 2d 
542; Peoples v. State, 256 Ala. 612, 56 So. 2d 665; Thomas v. 

State, 257 Ala. 124, 57 So. 2d 625; Lyons v. Oklahoma, 322
266 U. S. 596; Stroble v. California, 343 U. S. 181; Stein v. New 

York, supra.
In accordance with our duty in cases of this character, we have 

examined the record for any reversible error, whether pressed upon



our attention or not. We have dealt herein with all questions call­
ing for treatment. We find no reversible error in the record and the 
cause is due to be and is affirmed.

Affirmed.
All the Justices concur.

267 In the Supreme Court of Alabama

The Court met pursuant to adjournment.

Present: Chief Justice Livingston and Associate Justices Lawson, 
Simpson, Stakely, Goodwyn, and Merrill.

Montgomery Circuit Court

No. 5121

(Electrocution)

3 Div. 663

Jeremiah R eeves, Junior

v.

T he State of A labama 

Judgment—August 6, 1953

Come the parties by attorneys, and the record and matters therein 
assigned for errors, being submitted on briefs and duly examined 
and understood by the Court, it is considered that in the record and 
proceedings of the Circuit Court there is no error.

It is therefore considered, ordered, and adjudged that the judg­
ment of the Circuit Court be in all things affirmed.

The time fixed by the judgment and sentence of the Circuit Court 
for the execution of the prisoner, Jeremiah Reeves, Junior, having 
expired pending this appeal, it is now ordered that Friday, Septem­
ber 18, 1953, be and the same is hereby fixed as the date for execu­
tion of the Defendant, Jeremiah Reeves, Junior.

It is further ordered that the Sheriff of Montgomery County, 
Alabama, deliver the Defendant, Jeremiah Reeves, Junior, to the 
Warden of Kilby Prison at Montgomery, in Montgomery County, 
Alabama, and that the said Warden at Kilby Prison in Montgomery 
County, Alabama, execute the judgment and sentence of the law on 
Friday, September 18, 1953, before the hour of sunrise on said date 
in said prison, by causing a current of electricity of sufficient in­
tensity to cause death to pass through the body of the said Jeremiah

194 JEREMIAH REEVES, JR., VS. STATE OP ALABAMA



Reeves, Junior, until he is dead, and in so doing he will follow the 
rules prescribed by the statutes.

It is also considered, ordered, and adjudged that the appellant, 
Jeremiah Reeves, Junior, pay the costs of appeal of this Court and 
of the Circuit Court, for which costs let execution issue accordingly.

(Opinion by Merrill, J. All the Justices concur.)

268 [File endorsement omitted]

In the Supreme Court of Alabama 

[Title omitted]

M otion for R ehearing— Filed August 21, 1953
Comes now the Appellant in the above styled cause and moves 

The Honorable Court to set aside the affirmation of the verdict and 
judgment of The Lower Court and to grant unto the Appellant a 
rehearing, and Appellant assigns the following grounds separately 
and severally for this motion:

1. For that The Honorable Court erred in sustaining the action 
of the Regular Judge in recusing himself after making certain 
preliminary orders, including setting a day for trial, determining the 
number of special jurors to be drawn, and drawing the said special 
jurors.

2. For that The Honorable Court erred in upholding the admis­
sion of the alleged inculpatory admission in the nature of a con­
fession made to the prosecutrix and the alleged confesison made to 
Dr. Bazar.

3. For that The Honorable Court erred in upholding the action 
of The Lower Court which forced the Defendant to trial without an 
opportunity for preliminary pleadings.

4. For that The Honorable Court erred in upholding the validity 
of the acts of The Special Judge.

5. For that The Honorable Court erred in declaring the Jury 
System of Montgomery County to be constitutional.

6. For that The Honorable Court erred in upholding the action of 
The Special Judge which denied Defendant the right to testify upon 
the preliminary inquiry as to the admissibility of the alleged in­
culpatory admission made to prosecutrix.

7. For that The Honorable Court erred in declaring the evidence 
in the instant case to be sufficient to support the conviction.

V irgil M cGee,
John  N . M cGee, Jr ., 
H enry H ellar,

Attorneys for Defendant.

JEREMIAH REEVES, JR., VS. STATE OF ALABAMA 195



196 JEREMIAH REEVES, JR., VS. STATE OF ALABAMA

269 In the Supreme Court of Alabama

Certificate R ecalling C ertificate of A ffirmance and C opy of 
Opinion  Pending Consideration of th e  A pplication for R e­
hearing—August 21, 1953

To the Clerk of the Circuit Court of Montgomery County, Greeting:
Whereas, in the matter of Jeremiah Reeves, Junior, Appellant, vs. 

The State of Alabama, Appellee, recently pending in the Supreme 
Court of Alabama, on appeal from the said Circuit Court of Mont­
gomery County, our Supreme Court did on the 6th day of August, 
1953 render a Judgment of Affirmance in said cause; and,

Whereas, a certificate of such action of the Supreme Court was 
duly issued to you, and thereafter an application for rehearing of 
said cause was filed in this Court by the Appellant on August 21, 
1953:

Now, it is hereby certified, that our Supreme Court, or one of the 
Justices thereof, did, on the 21st day of August, 1953, order that 
the said certificate be recalled. And you will accordingly return the 
same to this office at once, together with copy of the opinion in said 
cause issued to you.

Witness, J. Render Thomas, Clerk of the Supreme Court of Ala­
bama, at the Capitol, this 21st day of August, 1953.

J. R ender T hom as,
Clerk of the Supreme Court of Alabama.

August 26, 1953. Certificate of affirmance and copy of opinion 
returned to Supreme Court pending consideration of appellant’s 
application for rehearing.

270 In the Supreme Court of Alabama

[Title omitted]

Order Overruling A ppellant ’s A pplication for R ehearing etc. 
—November 27, 1953

It is ordered that the application for rehearing filed by the appel­
lant in this cause on August 21st, 1953, after being duly examined 
and considered by the Court, be and the same is hereby overruled.

The time fixed by the judgment and sentence of the Circuit Court 
for the execution of the prisoner, Jeremiah Reeves, Junior, having 
expired pending this appeal, as shown by the former Order of this 
Court, and the time heretofore fixed by the order, judgment and 
sentence of the Supreme Court of Alabama for the execution of the 
prisoner, Jeremiah Reeves, Junior, having expired pending con­
sideration of the application for rehearing,



It is now ordered that Friday, January 22nd, 1954, be fixed as 
the date for the execution of the Defendant, Jeremiah Reeves, 
Junior.

It is therefore ordered that the Sheriff of Montgomery County, 
Alabama, deliver the Defendant, Jeremiah Reeves, Junior, to the 
Warden of Kilby Prison at Montgomery, in Montgomery County, 
Alabama, and that the said Warden of Kilby Prison, in Montgomery 
County, Alabama, execute the order, judgment and sentence of the 
law on Friday, January 22nd, 1954, on said day in said prison, by 
causing a current of electricity of sufficient intensity to cause death 
to pass through the body of the said Jeremiah Reeves, Junior, until 
he is dead, and in so doing he will follow the rules prescribed by the 
Statutes.

It is also considered, ordered, and adjudged that the Appellant 
pay the costs of appeal of this Court and of the Circuit Court, for 
which costs let execution issue accordingly.

(All the Justices concur.)

271 In the Supreme Court of Alabama

[Title omitted]

P etition for Stay of E xecution  P ending Petition for C ertiorari

Comes now the appellant in the above-styled cause and petitions 
the Honorable Court to suspend execution of the sentence in the 
above case and to stay execution of the Death Sentence heretofore 
set for January 22, 1954, and as grounds for his said petition appel­
lant shows the Honorable Court the following:

1. That a Petition for a Writ of Certiorari is now being prepared 
for presentation to the Supreme Court of the United States asking 
that Honorable Court to review questions of Federal Consitutional 
Law which arose on the trial of the said case and on appeal of said 
case to this Honorable Court.

2. That execution of the sentence in this case should be suspended 
until the Supreme Court of the United States rules upon the said 
Petition for Writ of Certiorari.

(S.) V irgil M cG ee.
Peter A. H all.
Orzell B illingsley, Jr .

Duly sworn to by Virgil McGee. Jurat omitted in printing.

JEREMIAH REEVES, JR., VS. STATE OF ALABAMA 197



198 JEREMIAH REEVES, JR., VS. STATE OF ALABAMA

272 I n th e  Supreme C ourt of A labama

[Title omitted]

Order G ranting  P etition for Stay of E xecution P ending P eti­
tion for Certiorari— January 14, 1954

W hereas, the Judgment of the Circuit Court of Montgomery 
County, Alabama, in the case of Jeremiah Reeves, Junior, Appellant, 
v. The State of Alabama, Appellee, 3 Div. No. 663, was affirmed by 
this Court on the 6th day of August, 1953, and the date of the 
execution of the sentence of the Circuit Court was reset and fixed 
by this Court and the said Jeremiah Reeves, Junior, was ordered to 
be electrocuted on Friday, September 18, 1953; and,

W hereas, the said Jeremiah Reeves, Junior, thereafter filed an 
application for rehearing on the 21st day of August, 1953, which 
said application for rehearing was overruled by this Court on the 
27th day of November, 1953, and the date of execution of the Su­
preme Court of Alabama was reset and fixed by , this Court for 
Friday, January 22, 1954; and,

W hereas, the said Jeremiah Reeves, Junior, by his Attorneys, has 
petitioned this Court for a suspension and stay of the execution of 
said sentence, in order to give sufficient time to petition the Su­
preme Court of the United States for a Writ of Certiorari to be 
directed to this Court for a hearing of said cause in the Supreme 
Court of the United States, or to perfect an appeal of said cause to 
the Supreme Court of the United States.

Now, T herefore, I t I s Ordered on petition of the Defendant, 
Jeremiah Reeves, Junior, that the date of the execution of the death 
sentence heretofore entered in this cause for Friday, January 22nd, 
1954, be and the same is hereby reset and fixed for Friday, March 

26th, 1954, and the sentence of the Court will, on said date, 
273 be carried out in all respects according to the law of this 

State.
I t I s F urther Ordered that until final execution of the sentence 

of the Court, jurisdiction is hereby retained over said cause.
I t  I s F urther Ordered that the Sheriff of Montgomery County, 

Alabama, deliver the Defendant (Appellant) Jeremiah Reeves, 
Junior, to the Warden of Kilby Prison at Montgomery, Alabama, 
and that the said Warden of Kilby Prison at Montgomery, Ala­
bama, execute the judgment and sentence of the law on Friday, 
March 26, 1954, on said day in said prison by causing a current of 
electricity of sufficient intensity to cause death to pass through the 
body of the said Jeremiah Reeves, Junior, until he is dead, and in 
so doing he will follow the rules prescribed by the Statutes.



JEREMIAH REEVES, JR., VS. STATE OF ALABAMA 199

It  I s A lso Considered that the Appellant pay the costs of appeal 
of this Court and of the Circuit Court.

(All the Justices concur.)

274 (Clerk’s Certificate to foregoing transcript omitted in 
printing.)

275-276 Supreme C ourt of T he  U nited States, October
T erm , 1953

No. —

Jerem iah  R eeves, Jr ., petitioner

State of A labama

Order Extending  T ime to F ile Petition for W rit of Certiorari 
—February 17, 1954

Upon Consideration of the application of counsel for petitioner, 
I t  Is Ordered that the time for filing petition for writ of certi­

orari in the above-entitled cause be, and the same is hereby extended 
to and including March 12th, 1954.

E arl W arren,
Chief Justice of the United States.

Dated this 17th day of February, 1954.

277-282 Petitioner ’s D esignation of the  R ecord— Filed July
21, 1954

[Omitted in printing]

283-287 R espondent’s Cross D esignation of th e  R ecord— Filed
July 29, 1954

[Omitted in printing]



200 JEREMIAH REEVES, JR., VS. STATE OF ALABAMA

288-289 Supreme C ourt op T he  U nited States 

No. 481 Misc., October Term, 1953 

[Title omitted]

Order Granting Certiorari—June 7, 1954
On petition for writ of Certiorari to the Supreme Court of the 

State of Alabama.
On consideration of the motion for leave to proceed herein in 

forma pauperis and of the petition for writ of certiorari, it is or­
dered by this Court that the motion to proceed in forma pauperis be, 
and the same is hereby, granted; and that the petition for writ of 
certiorari be, and the same is hereby, granted, and the case is trans­
ferred to the appellate docket.

And it is further ordered that the duly certified copy of the 
transcript of the proceedings below which accompanied the petition 
shall be treated as though filed in response to such writ.

☆  U. S. GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE: 1954 309115 177

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