Moss v. Lane Company Appendix Vol. II
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March 24, 1972
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IN THE
UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS
FOR THE FOURTH CIRCUIT
NO. 72 -1628
FRED MOSS,
A p p e l la n t ,
v .
THE LANE COMPANY,
A p p e l l e e .
APPENDIX VOLUME I I
HENRY L. MARSH
JAMES W. BENTON
HILL, TUCKER & MARSH
214 E ast C la y S t r e e t
Richm ond, V i r g in ia 23219
GEORGE W. HARRIS, JR .
C r y s t a l Tow ers B u ild in g
210 S econ d S t r e e t , S.W.
R oanoke, V i r g in ia 24011
JACK GREENBERG
WILLIAM L . ROBINSON
BARRY L . GOLDSTEIN
10 Colum bus C i r c l e
New Y ork , New York 10019
A tt o r n e y s f o r A p p e lla n t
INDEX
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R e le v a n t D ock et E n t r ie s la
C om p la in t f i l e d J u ly 19 , 1968 6a
Answer f i l e d A ugust 9 , 1968 H a
O rder on P r e lim in a r y M otion s f i l e d March 30 , 1970 14a
P l a i n t i f f s M otion to Amend C om pla in t f i l e d
F ebru ary 4 , 1971 23a
P r e t r i a l O rder f i l e d F eb ru a ry 7, 1971 26a
P l a i n t i f f s M otion f o r R u lin g on the A d m is s ib i l i t y
o f I n v e s t ig a t i o n R ep ort f i l e d March 3 , 1972 32a
T r a n s c r ip t o f T r ia l P r o c e e d in g s March 2 1 -2 4 , 1972 34a
F in a l O rder e n te r e d March 24 , 1972 948a
P l a i n t i f f s N o t ic e o f A p p ea l f i l e d A p r i l 2 0 , 1970 951a
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Q Would you agree what you c a l l the grin d in g room
i s a machine room where there are three em ployees, always
during th is whole period have bean the same three employees?
A There arc three in there and i t is a c u t - o f f
room to i t a e l f .
Q I t is a c u t - o f f room to i t s e l f and you d o n 't
know who is in th ere , in a l l r e a l i t y you d o n 't know anything
about what goes on?
A I know who is in th ere .
Q What?
A One o f my foreman, used to be foreman, is workin
in th ere .
Q How o fte n do you go in there?
A I go in there and get th e ir tra sh , check i t ever
other d3y fo r the la s t coup le o f years .
Q And every time you have been in th ere , the su.acj
three people have been th ere , fo r years and years?
A No, when I f i r s t went th ere , went to .ork for
0 That was in 10.>2?
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Q Wi.xcre vas he in 19o5?
A *6Ii, lie vas in there* That v a r ie s . At that
time he v a s , whether he was s t i l l foreman o r he had moved
t o that room.
MR. ALLiiANDER: That is a l l*
HR. HARRIS: No r e d ir e c t .
THE COURT: Hay he be excused?
MR. ALEXANDER: Yea.
, THE COURT: A l l r ig h t , you may be excused.
(W itness excu sed .)
THE COURT: Is that your case?
MR. MARSH: We have some e x h ib its to read in .
TUE COURT: I d id n 't hear.
MR. MARSH: We have e x h ib its to read in . Do you
want us to do i t now?
THE COURT: What e x h ib its ?
HR. HARSH: The Court ru led on , the
THE COURT: A ll r ig h t , read i t in .
MR. HARSH: Now?
TEH COURT: R ight now.
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in terrog a tor le a .
lviu.it was the date the in te rrog a tory vets t i l e d ,
p lease ?
MR. GARRETT: August 27, 1963.
THE COURT: And what was the da to the answer was
f i le d ?
MR. MARSH: I t was served on June 1st — ju s t a
minute, your honor.
JUROR: Your Honor, can I ask what an in te rrog a t
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THE COURT: I am going to t e l l you as soon as 1
get the d a tes .
MR. HARSH: I th ink i t was June 1, 1970.
THE COURT: Is that c lo s e enough?
MR. ALEXANDER: 1 think s o .
THE COURT: An in te rrog a tory i s a w ritten q u e s t i
and a w ritten answer. Lawyers use i t l o t i o f tim es
instead o f taking a d e p o s it io n o f o w itn ess , and
sometimes i t is used fo r fa c ts and socaetlres to d iscov
fa c ts or the source o f in form ation , and that is what
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a genera l d e c c r ip t icn o i the c* •utoats o l a .11 records
maintained by Lane at Rocky Mount r e la t in g to the
employees o r employment h is to ry o i employees o f Lane
at Rocky Mount,"
I am now going to read th e ir answer to that
q u estion : "A p p lica tion fo ra — ty p ic a l form fo r
a p p lica t io n fo r employment c a l l in g fo r name and ad tire 8 ̂
fam ily dofca, education and tra in in g , m ilita ry s e r v ic e ,
employment wecord, m edical h is to r y , e t c e te r a . Employ^
form l i s t in g name, s o c ia l s e cu r ity number, department
and Job , person to be n o t i f ie d in case o f emergency,
e t c e te ra . Attendance form . Employee w ithhold ing
exemptions c e r t i f i c a t e . Rating form fo r recommendation
o f r e -r a t in g . Check r e c e ip t ac'mowledgement form ,
Waiver o f insurance coverage . T ransfer n o t ic e . Group
insurance record o f payment. Various worl men's
compensation forma supplied by the Coomom ea lth o t
V irg in ia . Termination r e p o r t . Group inst ranee enrolls
form . Insurance c a r d ."
I an now going to read qu estion 13: "StaU.
"■'u ryC i n rtf' p*- Roolrsf iV 'in f f^ o o r d J nd f f
i n c l u s i o n o f p !io to ,ee.»! s _or__uh >. v * -it ) , .• r
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jiuo nature o f tacit .such record.;
"(i>) lu c nature o f a ucii r a c ia l id e n t i f i c a t io n ,
whether Kegro or w h ite , Indian or o th e r ; t e s c r ib e the
purpose lo r which such in form ation i s record ed ; the
date on which such in form ation v;as I n i t i a l l y record ec1
and, i f such inform ation is no longer record ed , wiicn
such record in g c e a s e d ."
I am now going to read the answer to q u estion 13
"A fte r an employee is h ired , an employment form i s
f i l l e d o u t. This form design ates race to enable the
company to comply w ith the re p o rtin g requirem ents o f
the Equal Employment Opportunity laws and so that the
company can e f f e c t iv e ly insure that a l l o f i t s employe
are r e ce iv in g equal employment op p ortu n ity . A fte r the
d isch arge o f an em ployee, a term ination rep ort i 3 f i l l
o u t . T h is record in g form a lso has a blank fo r the
d esign ation o f ra ce . However, the company makes no
use o f th is d es ig n a tion . The in form ation would on ly
come in to use i f needed fo r Id e n t if ic a t io n purposes
post-em ploym ent."
7ir,T fO’n>T: A ll r f .-h t .
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TiiUi CUuitXt A i l r ig h t , j>uuw utu i to u r .
M*v» li/'x .’.i ij X >i*.i vo cliTLaviy.
K t, ADIXAIOSR: We can s t ip u la t e . i;o p ro b le m
about th a t.
T2IH COini: That i s what I thought.
We w i l l take the a ftern oon rccea s n t « . p lea se
observe the usual p reca u tion s , la d ie s and gentleman.
We can make a s t ip u la t io n during the r e c e s s .
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• • • ^hereupon, else cou rt rdeessed a t 3 j35 p.ra,
a t 4 :0 0 p .m the Court and coun sel r e t ir e d t o chambers
where the fo llo w in g proceedings uera had in the r.baemj
o f the ju r y . . .
TILE COLThT: I w i l l hear your n otion on the rocoijd
Mil. ALEXANDER: The defendant moves f o r suixsary
judgment o f d ism issa l fo r la ck o f any evidence o f
d is cr im in a tio n , as charged in tiie com pla in t, and
s p e c i f i c a l l y , more s p e c i f i c , a t the outse : the p la in t !
has not shown any evidence o f auy unlawful a c t io n as
to him in ny way w ith the conr.any.
THIS CO'XVf: A l l r ig h t , the motion is overt v ie d .
The Court reserves the r ig h t to tx con s ld c : the i
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Yiu* Cow «.>.'• Wo have a Cv.i,.ol^tion«
MR. AL&CAWDSR: I beg your pardon.
MR. HARSH: Do you want us to read i i ?
THE COURT: Read i t to the ju r y .
This i s a s t ip u la t io n , la d ies and gentlem en,
which Hr. G arrett i s going t o read to the ju r y . You
should con sid er i t os fa c ts which have been proved.
MR. GAldUvCT: S t ip u la tio n that Fred Moss, J r .
had two f i l e numbers, 6 -4 -4053 , and AT6-7-^77 w ith the
Equal Enployunnt Opportunity Cooraic3ion, and that the
date o f a lle g e d v io la t io n was August 9 , 1966. Date
o f f i l e was A p r il 27, 1966. Date o f s e rv ic e o f charge
on defendant was December 6 , I960. December 15, 19C6.
THE COURT: C a ll your f i r s t w itn ess .
MR. ALEXANDER: M arshall R ichardson.
MARSHALL J . RICHARDSON
having been duly sworn, was examined and t e s t i f i e d as follow :?
DIRECT EE AT ELNATIC! 1
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q yr»(»r , p le a se , s i r .
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Q Dy whom are you c /.ployed?
A Diekeroon GMC, Incorporated , Roanoke.
Q Did you ever work fo r The Lsxie Comp::ay a t Rocky
iiount?
A Y es, I did*
Q When did you leave there?
A The end o f August o f *66.
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Q What w£3 your jo b f o r the year preced ing your
leav in g there?
A I was su p erv isor over the powerhouse, b o i l e r roo
and night maintenance.
Q Would you t e l l us what the n igh t maintenance
con s is ted o f .
A W ell, p rim arily i t fo llow ed a f t e r tlie day
roaijntenonce and f in is h u> jo b s fo r theta, a b ig m a jority o f
the machines vero shut down, and plus a l l the breakdowns tha
happen a t n ig h t.
Q Would you t e l l us what q u a l i f l c a t lo is and s k i l l s
are needed to do the work in maintenance.
A Yes, s i r , you have to be a m ach in ist, p lus an
e le c t r i c ia n , i f vou want to phrase i t in those vo terms.
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Q Any c or, entry?
A Yes, s i r .
q Did >ou know Fred Moss?
A Y es, s i r .
q How toany people were in your n ight uaintenm eo
department?
A Me and one o th er .
q Who was the oth er man?
A Luke Loudermilk a t one tlzae and ju s t b e fore
previous to me leaving The Lane Company I had Jun ior Board
or A rnic Board, J r . , I suppose I should sa y .
Q Would you t e l l tae what q u a li f ic a t io n s — was
Loudermilk there b e fo re Fred Hoso cane there?
A I would be a fr a id to answer th a t . I know he was
in our employment. We r o ta te them from one Job to the other
v;ith in the maintenance department.
Cj Would you compare the q u a li f ic a t io n ., or la ck o f
q u a li f ic a t io n s between Loudenailk, Board and Moms.
A W ell, I d o n 't know itr. :'e ts ‘ q u a li f ic a t io n s too
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a ss is ta n t at r ig h t .
Q Vn3 he fu l ly experienced?
111. MARfH: Excuse i*.e. He is lead in g Che v itn c s
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TrE COURT: Sustained.
HR. ALElIARrER; I haven* t as Iced the |ucsticm.
BY MR. ALEJUlWa*
Q What about Board?
A V e i l , when Board come to the maintenance depart^
a t Lane, he cc:ae from in d u s tr ia l maintenance in another
sou rce .
Q How long had he been in in d u s tr ia l maintenance
in the other source?
A I know 10 to 12 y ea rs . I don*t know how much
longer than th a t .
Q Yjhut were h is q u a li f ic a t io n s ?
A W ell, he was a m echanic, e l e c t r i c ia n , plumber or
whatever n ecessary , lie a c tu a lly i3 a m ach in ist. He hadn’ t
had experience in that l in e . I t d id n 't take him long to
ca tch on to the amount he had to do a t night*
Q Did Fred Hoss ask you fo r n jo b ?
A At one tin e he as Iced too about being tran sferred
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i 'i there varj rn opening, which there wasn’ t a t the t in e , i f
there was an opening, he would have to handle I t through
h is immediate su p erv isor.
Q Did ho t e l l you, g iv e you any qua1t i le a t io n s
which would bear on tiie jo b ?
A He had to ld me that he had had some m echanical
background in the- autom otive f i e l d .
Q Would that in your op in ion q u a lify him fo r what
you needed hiu fo r or what you would have had to have?
A W ell, that alone wouldn’ t , no, s i r .
Q Did you have an experience w ith him one n ight
where he helped you iu a s itu a t io n out there?
A Yea, I d id .
Q T e l l us what happened.
A W ell, norm ally he wouldn’ t have had to have
h elped , but Luke asked cae to delay p u ttin g some pressures feed
bars on a gang r ip . This th ing is s e t up, you « an cu t a whok
c a s e , fro n t at one time out o f the same layer o. veneer, so
f. 11 the veneer w i l l natch . I t has got a b ig bar that goes
a cross that has tliose arras that come out and hole’ s the stock.
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So when I come up i t was running very near to the
end o f tho c h i f t . Mr. Moss was the op era tor o f the machine,
that p a r t icu la r machine that n ig h t, and I asked Luke i f lie
vrould le t him a s s is t me in dism antling the machine to save
tim e. And I to ld him how I wanted i t taken o f f and la id down
Live him my t o o l s , which he sa id lie dic3n*t have. Of co u rse ,
I understand he had a claw hammer, but to me i t was a l i t t l e
more than th at.
I went to the maintenance department —
HR, MARSH: Excuse me.
THE COURT: W ait.
MR. MARSH: I o b je c t to what he understands i t
i s . That is hearsay. I t should be s tr ick e n . I thought
he s a id , " i understand that he h it som ething."
THE COUIxT: Were you in the co u rtro ca and heai'd
him cay that?
THE WITLESS: Yes, I was a i t t in g back there < bon
he Bf'l.d i t . That is the t*env?**k {>**■ f*a f«.1
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l l l , > 4 Sr J k\JL • Ccntlcrjcn , d o n 't you make any reranrk
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THE winJESS: I w o n 't . S orry , s i r .
Tin: COURT: There w asn 't any ru le on , and uhat he
understood the w itness t o say in the courtroom i s ju s t
the same as somethins that the w itness sa id at any t im e ,
The ju ry may con sid er th is w ith a l l the other ev idence
in the ca s e .
A l l r ig h t , proceed .
BY MR. ALEXANDER:
Q Go ahead.
A 1 wont to the maintenance department to p ick up
these p ie ces o f Ivard wood that had already been prepared to
put on th ere , manufactured, or however you want to s ta te i t ,
but they were a lready d r i l le d to be put in p la ce . When I
retu rn ed , I found that instead o f him taking a l l o f the b o lts
ou t as in s tru cte d , he had beaten the ca stin g s o f t . lie d id n 't
help me any lon g er . I to ld him I d id n 't need h in any lon g er .
That caused me about four hours longer r e p a ir s , the parts
that he had torn up.
o You hnd to work how lor.-t to ren a ir t! em?
t o ru;ke them over or take them to L’■ o rn eh lrc sh u
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Q You any he d ie not remove the b o l t s 't
A No, he took part o f them out and the r e s t or tiiOi
I th ink he c o u ld n 't get i t lo o s e , so ho to ld toe he took the
lmmmer and beat i t o f f . That is the statem ent he made to me
Q How long was th is b e fo re you l e f t there?
A I would be a fra id to say . I t w asn 't to o awful
lon g .
Q Would a q u a li f ie d mechanic undertake t o g e t a
ca s tin g o f f in that fash ion?
A No, s i r .
MR. ALEXANDER: That i s a l l .
MR. HARRIS: Do we have any ch a lk fo r the board ,
your Honor?
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Q Hr. R ichardson, w i l l you draw a diagram o f what
the ca s in g look s l ik e , from a top view and s id e view , p lea se
A My ta le n ts , being an a r t i s t i s not one o f them.
THE COURT: Do the best you can .
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might be 71 im h e s . I t might be £*'», I d o n 't know the
exact dimension^, i t has been some Lime. This sh a ft
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fe e d . The ie ce that goes in from t ills end, the mater „
feeds as he sta ted a w hile ago , i t has a ta b le that
r o ta te s in th is fa sh ion . This ta b le has l i t t l e n ibs
that s t i c k up there that squares the s to ck on the t a b l i
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t o th is n ib , and i t takes i t through the square* Unde *
th is hood, t l i is is made out o f s t e e l , th is brock et —»
underneath i t there i s wood made out o f pecan o r some
hard saaterlal that wears slow ly tiu.it comeu back the
f u l l length o f the pressure feed tlirough there. I t is
secured by two screws chat come up whore you oorbl.se
the h o le or countering s in k . However, y >u want to
r e fe r — that keens the m eta l o f th is s c r w from hr.to h
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to be ad justed every time that you change the p o s it io n
o f the sows, you r o ta te them up and down the s h a ft .
On the end o f that sh a ft i s secured by the cap , la modi
s im ila r to th a t. I t has fou r screws in each end o f i t
I assume from the looks o f i t , because there was
one s t i l l in there w ith a p ie ce o f m etal in i t th at he
attempted t o remove the ones that he cou ld see on the
fro n t and then he proceeded to get i t o f f the e a s ie s t
way, which had ca s t iro n . I t d o n 't take tu t ju s t a
very l i t t l e tap on ca s t iron b e fo re i t snaps.
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Q You sa id that you assume,
A I assumed fo r the sim ple reason that I w asn 't
th e re . i t was broken when I g o t back .
Q Were there any screws that he couldr *t see?
A They were on the back, you cou ld see them i f you
v?cra to look .
Q Do you say you in stru cted him how to take i t e f f
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A I d o n 't th ink he hud ever removed the s h a ft , liutji
he hfid remove a these every time he se t the machine up.
Q I am ta lk in g about the sh a ft o r ca s in g that was
broken.
A I d o n 't th ink s o .
Q Let us hear again e x a c t ly what in s tru c t io n s you
gave him.
A I to ld him to remove the b o lt s or ccp screws
from these c a s t in g s , and ca p s . Take th is sh a ft which these
pressure feed s are secured t o , lay i t over on the bod o f the
saw and remove, loosen the s e t screws in these fe e t and s l i t
them o f f in the s h a ft . That is what had t o be done.
Q That i s what you to ld him?
A That i s what I to ld him.
Q What wrench, or d id you g iv e him whrt t o o l?
A I gave him my t o o l p ip e s , a l l the necessary
wrenches that I would have taken i t o f f w ith tnyrelf.
Q What was that?
A A cre sce n t wrench or channel r in g , i ev cra l end
(tronrhno.j p^t-ont wrench, the sa- w wren* hes rh.iv T
Q Yt f.:.ve him a l l at a a t
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A Yea, p lus my ii.u i.ie LoOi. uml auu lux*.* Ui»4 » u
r ig h t there to work w ith .
Q lie d id n 't coma back to you and get any o f that
from you in another o f f i c e ?
A Ho, s i r .
Q Another department?
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Q Did you g iv e him a rawhide m a llet?
A No. /
Q Did you g iv e him a rubber m a lle t?
A No, s i r .
Q I s n 't i t customary — you may take your sea t now,
Would i t not be customary where you have ca s t ire
on ca s t iron that i t i s a p o s s ib i l i t y that the m stal would
s t i c k together on a machine o f tiiat s iz e where you have
v ib ra tio n s?
A I t is a l l togeth er p o s s ib le . But in that p a r t ic i
case there was a s p l i t ca s in g , I d o n 't th ink s o .
Q When the s p l i t casin g would have a tendency to
nerge or becocie sta tion a ry here to a p o in t w ith i t bcir.g
b o lte d dawn end v ib ra tin g?
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Q Did the casin g a c tu a lly r e s t on top o f the fe e t ?
A I t c i t 3 on the ca s in g , f i t s to the c 10f t that
holds the pressure feed are secured t o . I t i s a long sh a ft
w ith the machine.
Q This would be look in g a t the casin g from a s id e
view?
A That i s r ig h t .
Q Are you saying the p ie ce o f m etal that would
f a l l down h ere , that there was a s p l i t in i t l ik e I am
in d ica tin g here?
A That i s r ig h t , and you hava the c i r c l e .
Q And the screw would come down through here?
A That is r ig h t .
Q In each one?
A That is r ig h t .
Q Did you g ive Hr. Moss any in s tru c t ic •» at a l l i f
one o f time screws would not cane loose o r he c o u ld n 't get
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A Well —
Q The jo b as n ight su p erv isor .
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yea: s in the maintenance f i e ld .
Q In the maintenance f i e ld ?
A Y es.
Q P rior to coming to Lane had you had any exp erien ^
c t a l l in in d u s tr ia l maintenance?
A I had some other sou rce , y es .
Q What?
A In h y d ra u lics , in e l e c t r i c a l and ca ip e n try , as
w-ell as autom obile m echanics.
Q DO you have any in t o o l making?
A No, s i r .
Q S ir?
A I dic5n*t have any in t o o l ranking, nt , s i r .
Q I s n 't t o o l making one o f tire e s s e n t ia ls ?
A No, s i r .
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Q Did you have any s p e c i f i c tra in in g in e le ctro n ic^
A Not b a sic in d u s tr ia l e le c t r o n ic s , more than —
by the tijie I g o t , su pervisor at Lane Company, I bad qu ite
ex ten sive tra in in g in i t , yes .
Q Ncx; I would l ik e to d ir e c t your a t te n tio n when
you were f i r s t h ired in to the maintenance department.
A I was h ired in as an e le c t r i c ia n , not The Lone
Company. V«as B a ll Knob F urn iture. V.'hcn Lane purchased
B a ll Knob Furniture Company 1 was on B a ll Knob's p a y r o ll .
Trey got me along w ith the d e a l.
Q As a aaintera nee man?
A That i s r ig h t .
Q What education al background d id you have?
A W ell, I went t o sch oo l fo r 12 years a t V eck sv illu
h ig h , northeastern part o f North C arolin a . I went through
the m ilita r y . I was in en g in eers , Army Engineers vh ile I
nerved w ith the m ilita r y . I come ou t, I took G. I . tra in in g
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Q On February 10, page 17 at l in e 9 , were you uuhu-
the q u estion : ‘ .lad you had any s p e c i f i c previot 3 exp erien ce
in fa c to ry maintenance when you jo in e d The Lam. Company?!l
A I tilin '; X s ta ted a t that time no, a i r , because
I had never worked in a fa c to r y b e fo r e .
Q I b e lie v e your answer was th i3 , l e t me see i f
you r e c a l l i t : "W ell, i f you — not b a s ic a l ly , no. The fcyp
work l 'd had, I*d had some experience in what 1 was goin g
in f o r , although you d o n 't have a s p e c i f ie d jo b in the
roaintenance department. Over the period I vas working w ith
the tru ck s , why I acquired a f a i r amount o f knowledge in the
r e s t o f i t which I was w e ll q u a li f ie d f o r a lready on a caachi
o r machines. I f you have g o t to learn one machine, why a l l
o f them are very s im ila r once you 've got a schem atic o r a
b lu ep rin t to work w ith ."
A That to tru e . I made that statem ent.
0 Are you saying by that statem ent th it once you
learn one Machine, such as the gang r ip machine, that you
could b a s ic a l ly go from there and learn a l l the r e s t o f the
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ia more ex ten sive Uian most anything you iiavc g o t .
(? Automotive is ?
A Y es, c ir c a . To th is day and tim e, At ono tim e,
i t a l l depends on how cauch autom otive tra in in g you have g o t .
At that time I have got s o u th in g l ik e th ir t y years,
Q We are ta lk in g about when you f i r s t came to the
p la n t ,
A When 1 f i r s t cruxa to the p la n t , I had approximate
ten years background in autom otive t r a in in g , p lus I was
brought i.p in a blacksm ith shop and garage, ity daddy and
ny grandfather b e fore toe.
Q A l l o f you worked on ca rs and tru cks?
A R igh t, and both o f my b ro th ers ,
Q Okay. Would you say that a year in in d u s tr ia l
c o l le g e and a year in autom otive tra in in g sch o o l p lu s nine
years experience working on trucks and ca rs would be
s u f f ic ie n t to get you in tfie maintenance departrv nt?
A I f you had some oth er ex p erien ce , y e s . That a le
iv;», f.i r . I f 1 lia<l never w ired a houro, I would r ever hr-vs
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Q You to in itour.olus?
A That is r ig h t , but you c a n 't in Fra, k l in .
Q You sta ted that Llie removing o f the presses bur
o f f o f the machine was a sim ple op era tion , is t la t c o r r e c t?
A To wo i t i s , s i r . Some peop le i t might be
com plica ted . I figu red i t would be sim ple t o Mr. Moss fo r
the simple reason he was the op era tor , he knew how to se t
the machine up. H alf o f s e t t in g the machine up i s removing
the presser b a r s ./
Q Did you have other operators o f machines do that:
a ls o ?
A I t a l l depends. U sually I w asn 't requested to
leave a machine s e t u n t il ju s t p r io r to q u it t in g time to
work on i t .
Q Have you had them do i t ?
A I c a n 't remember but maybe one o r D o in stan ces,
Y es, I have had them to help me.
Q Did you have very much trou b le w ith the tenoning
machine, as fa r as breakdown and so fo r th i s concerned?
A Not any more than most other machin: s w ith the
'time amount o f m wtonent on i t .
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i t crossw ays. A number o f tilings that cause i t . Tapes
would break that measured the width o f your panel, i t ju s t
i t w asn 't no p a r t icu la r fa i lu r e that was constant on i t .
Q Uould you say that i t was anything unusual f o r
a p i ece o f wood or p iece o f s to ck to get hung up in the
machine?
A U sually what caused them to g e t hung up is
because they d id n 't keep trash p u lled auay from the saw.
Q That Is not tay q u estion . Was i t usual or unusud
to f in d that i t would become hung up?
A I c a n 't answer th a t , by answering both ways.
I f you operate I t properly and keep the re fu se pu lled cv/ay
from the saw, i t would be unusual fo r i t t o hang up.
Q Did you have a l o t o f problems w ith the wood am
sto ck becoming hung up in tlio tenoning machine?
A I d id n 't have any problem w ith i t .
Q You d id n 't have t o get i t lo o se ?
A No, I u su a lly repa ired the machine a fte r t ’ .oy
g o t i t ou t, i f i t needed r e p a ir s .
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Q Lite usual duau^o u . .j?
A TituL is ju a t hard Co say* Anything from l;o iog
cut o f square to th irty -se con d o f an inch to p u llin g a chain
out o r p u llin g a rubber o f f o f your preoaer ba r. I t i s ju s t
a number o f th ings tluat can happen.
Q I f i t is out o f square, can*t the operate- rep a ir
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Q In your d ep os it ion on tiiat notoe d a te , in your
answer to a qu estion on page 23 a t l in e 11, you were ackedj
"Can you name any o f these com plicated machines that gave
you p a r t icu la r tro u b le ? "
I am not goin g to read your u h ole answer. You
re fe rre d to the g e l l machine.
A W ell, that i s part —
Q What i s a B e ll machine?
A To me i t wa3 a type o f bowing m achire. I t had
se vera l — i t was fu l ly autom atic, th it you cou ld s e t it oj»
to where i t would groove , saw, m ortise , anything that you
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come new ones s in ce I l e f t th ere . I can reneobtr t!ie machin^:
in d e t a i l , but. not na;oc.
Q I w on 't continue that p a r t icu la r q u estion . I
w i l l go back and s ta r t i t over again and a couple o f o th er
qu estion s 1 would l ik e to ask you about. That i s page 23,
l in e 11: " Can you nano any o f these com plica ted machines
that gave you p a r t icu la r tr o u b le ?u
And you s ta te d : 'V e i l , the D e ll machine. I
c a n 't remember the exact name fo r i t . I t d o v e ta ile d , bored ,
m ortised , and everyth ing in a dozen op era tion s . I t was a l l
a bunch o f h ydrau lic and solenoid sw itches and whenever y o u 'v
g o t a com bination o f h y d ra u lic , a i r , pneumatic and e l e c t r i c s
s o le n o id s , and th e y 're a l l timed together w ith l i t t l e U n it
sw itch es, d e f in i t e ly from abuse o f a machine op ra to r that
i s a l i t t l e c a re le s s in the way he throws a boa *d in that
th in g , why t h a t 's where you hove your problem s.
" I f every operator you had vou ld put h is board
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Q ii--' question was: ' :aJ that Xhc i s.' Li,
~bu$e oil worker3 cuiijoa tlus p rob lem v i t a the nuiwhines.'1
Your answer was: "A b ig m a jority o f them, y e a ."
A That Is c o r r e c t .
Q 'Do you remember the tenon m achine?"
And your answer is* "Yes.
"Q uestion : Did you have many problems w ith that
m achine?"
And your answer: 'toot i f the op era tor operated
i t in the manner he should . I f he had h is mind on what he
done tho n ight b e fo re or what he wanted to do the day a f t e r
and d id n 't keep the s t ic k s out o f i t , d id n 't keep i t squared,
d id n 't keep i t ad justed r ig h t — y e s , he had a l o t o f trou b le
w ith i t . "
Is that your statem ent?
A Yes, s i r .
Q The next qu estion i s : "Did i t happen o fte n that
you had to re p a ir the tenon machine?"
And your answer was: 'V e i l , n ot no more so than
any o f the r e s t of: them to me because a l o t o f times they
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c lo g tltese machines?
A I don ’ t know how o fte n you c a l l q u ite frxq u on tly
once a day or once an hour, I d o n 't know. I t would bo hard
t o say. I covered a b ig part o f that p lan t and a l o t o f
times stoppage and eleggage on a machine, I was never aware
o f . I
Q A l l r ig h t , I w i l l ask i t another way. Would you
cay i t would be unusual fo r an employee to operace one and
not c lo g i t up?
A Would i t be unusual?
Q Yes.
A Ro, i t i s not unusual. They have g o t some
operators d ia t run them day in and day out and day in and da’/
out that never c lo g them up.
Q To your knowledge?
A To ray knowledge.
o I take i t your statem ent is th at g en era lly you
d ire c te d Moss to take th is p ressor fo o t o f f o f t io ga^g r ip
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charge o f tho watchmen, the firem en. i t : . Crum v/as in charge
o f the o v e r a ll procedure o f the r e d l in in g , the uachine room,
the maintenance personnel ou tsid e o f th a t . In uy absence,
ho even vas in charge o f tho firem en or the b o i l e r room, i f
i t vas in op era tion .
Q You d id n 't work fo r Mr. Crum?
A Mo, s i r .
Q , He was not over you?
A Mo, s i r .
Q How cou ld you t e l l one o f h is em p loy es what to
do?
A The sane th ing i f I go out here end borrow a
con in your employment to do a jo b f o r css, I think he would
be under ray su p erv is ion .
Q You ju s t take him o f f another -•
A I d id n 't take him, I ached f o r him.
Q Who d id you ask?
A I asked Mr. Crum. I t v.v.3 s o r t o f a barga in ing ,
i f you want to know, I asked, being 03 he held ! n la te get 111.
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ever send you ray wrenches or any tiling that wa3 not star.darc
t o work w ith?
A Hot to iay knowledge. I think they cent us a
grease gun wit Lx them.
Q A grease gun.
A That we d id n 't ever use.
Q If: you txad an unusual nut or b o l t tlxat was not
found in the standard, they w ou ld n 't send then to you?
A Not to my knowledge. I f they d id , rooebody
got th e ir hands on them b e fo re we g o t to them.
Q Did you ever have to re p a ir any machines that
Dudley had worked on?
A I am sure I d id . 1 repa ired machines that every
op era tor over there worked on .
Q Can you r e c a l l whether o r n ot he worked on the
tenoning machines that you had to rep a ir or he t as the opera
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f in is h your cow lin g a f t e r i t i s poured.
Q What d id you do to itV
A I put i t back, in siiape and vo id ed i t and pprind
end rcnehined i t back In to shape.
MR. HARRIS: I b e lie v e that i s a l l , your Honor.
MR. ALiiXAJ&ER: May the w itness be excused.
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was r e c a lle d and fu rth er t e s t i f i e d as fo l lo w s :
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Q I b e lie v e one o f the th ings you t e s t i f i e d when
you were on the stand that The Lone Company sta rted employing
blacks a t Roclcy Mount around the e a r ly s i x t i e s . Is that ri^ht <
A That i s c o r r e c t .
Q Was th is a change in p o l ic y o f The Line Company?
A Not to ray knowledge i t was not a change in p o lic y
o.t TKe Lone Company, no, s i r .
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q L c j ’.-wen 1^57 unu ’ o ) , b 'd you h ire or d id
cu t back?
A To ray knowledge, they were reducing -he work fox
because i t was net s u f f ic ie n t volume o f business to support
the p a y ro ll that was present a t the time the company was
bought .
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q V7as there any d if fe r e n c e in the p eriod o f time
when you sta rted h ir in g in employees and when you s ta rted
h ir in g in b la ck employees?
A Not to my knowledge, but I was not doing employs;u
a t that tim e. To ray knowledge, there wasn’ t . I was th ere .
q Has tliere ever been s in ce you have been w ith The
Lane Company any p o l ic y o f not h ir in g b la ck peop le?
A Ho, s i r .
Q Or not p la cin g them in wtiatcver jo b s they are
q u a li f ie d to be in?
A No, s i r .
q What s h i f t hours do we have out there7
A Wc work two s h i f t s norm ally. Go to work at
in the morning end work u n t il tw elve. Go back f t quart
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In the a lt e r noon* At ten they have an evening brook fo r
lunch, evening lunch, end go back to work at 10:3.'), and are
out at 2 :3 0 .
Q Do you have departments in the p lan t d iv ided up
accord in g to fu n ction or accord in g to c o s t accounting or botli?
A 11031 o f the departments in the p lant?
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A They are d iv id ed in to c o s ts and a ls o i t is
fu n c t io n a l, but i t is m ostly accounting perhaps, under major
headings o f departm entc, y e s .
Q These department numbers that have b< en mentions
in here o f f and on , do they mean anything in any given c a s e ,
o th er than the accounting department e s ta b lish e s that i s who
you c a l l a c o s t cen ter?
A That i s c o r r e c t . They are a l l involved in the
manufacture o f a product.
Q A l l r i J h t, c o s t cen ters are what?
Points at which production norm ally c m beA
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I c;a not a are I understand p r e c is e ly the q u ca tic
Do you understand what I wean when I say functiqs
A I an not sure X r e la te i t , no.
Q I out ta lk in g about tiio nature o f the work that
i s done, the jo b ca tegory from the standpoint o f em ployees,
x^ithout regard to the company's c o s t accounting*
A I understand now. Would you r e s ta t e .
Q I do rvbt know how many jo b t i t l e s you had, but
as fa r as a department is concerned Iron a p r a c t ic a l layrven
stan dpoin t, have there been any groups o f employees o r jo b
t i t l e s that have not from time to time at le a s t seen f i l l e d
by b lack s?
A Y es, s i r , I th ink there probably are a fe u .
Q What?
A Sample department i s one I r e c a l l .
Q What i s the oth er?
A I b e lie v e yesterday - - you ncy have never laid a
black?
Q Ilcvcr had any b la ck .
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Q Wot:id you t e l l us why.
A The e is very l i t t l e tUi.rove*, in these dcpevc*.*-:
They are v e i l c h i l le d departments, h igh ly e k i l l c d deparrnan:
Your candle department is a h igh ly s h i l le d roach; ning parts
and assembly fo r samples a t the fu rn itu re markets. That is
a very s k i l le d jo b .
Q A ll r i^ h t , l e t ' s take customer s e r v ic e . For yotjr
testim ony h ere , did you look up the records o f the ecoployccs
in that department?
A Y es.
Q I do not intend t o Introduce th is as an oad iib it,
your Honor, I have no co p ie s o f i t .
Would you look a t that and t e l l mo does that
re fre sh your r e c o l le c t io n as to the employees in that
department.
A Yes.
Q How many are in there?
A Four.
o Would you g ive us the h ir in g dates o f each o f
them by name.
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Q Do you know who that was?
A I c a n 't r e c a l l h is naiae r ig h t o ffh a n d . I c i sui
there has been another person .
Q Do you know whether that p e rso n 's employment by
the company pre-dated J u ly , 1965?
A As my b est r e c o l le c t i o n , Joe Amos was the name
o f that in d iv id u a l who was in that departtrsent. lie has been
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A Yea, a i r .
Q As t o the sample department, would you g iv e us
the Beau In fo r in t ion .
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Arthur Chitwood, August 15, I960. Taz D il lo n , l ecoutbor 5,
1960. Harry D iv ers , November 13, 1961. James C . Ilodr.es,
rovcLiber 7 , 1969. James Hunt, reh ired on June 5 , 1963,
IV cvious dates o f eoployiaent a t Lane Coup any were September
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th is work w ith the general s h i l l s in the p la n t .
A I d id n ’ t tym<Ierstand the q u estion .
Q Compare tho s h i l l requ ired to do tho v ork .
A The s h i l l o f the sample department , an employee
in tho sample depart:..suit i s ju s t what i t in d ic a te s , to make
the fu rn itu re . I f you w i l l , I t i s a p a tte rn , th is i s a
h igh ly s k i l le d jo lL The opera tor doc s not operate one oachi r
day in and day out in a type o f continuous p rocess o f
producing som ething. They take a drawing, and, i f you w i l l ,
operate sev era l machines among those p cop lo In -producing thi.i
p a r t . Hot n e ce s s a r ily as you would norm ally produce i t in
p rod u ction , hut perhaps you can use a d i f fe r e n t machine
w ith a d i f fe r e n t type o f setup t o produce on ly one, ra th or
than make an expensive head am) th is type o f th ing t o produce
one p a r t .
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A Kar.y years o f exp erien ce .
Q Is that a l l ?
A P rim arily tliat would be the b a s is £oc e l l or tkcJ
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A I am a fra id I c o u ld n 't g iv e you a minimum number
o f y ea rs . I t would take y e a rs . I t would depend again on
jrour learn ing a b i l i t y o f the In d iv id u a l.
Q Have you ever had any n o t ico o f knot, ledge o f a
b la ck employee who has acqu ired that degree o f s k i l l y e t?
A I would say we probably have a , perhaps one o r
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Q Why i s not Herman Young in tiie sample department |?
A He i s en the n ight s h i f t and t o my Inowledge has
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ho fern s along v it h h is n ight work.
Q Is tlie cample room a daytime op era tion ?
A , Y es.
Q Not n ight work?
A They do n ot work a n igh t s h i f t in tiie aaraple
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Q What does Young do in the daytime?
A To ay knowledge* he farm s, s i r .
Q Has ha ever asked t o bo put in there?
A No, s i r .
Q Not cample f in is h in g , would you g iv i ua the
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MR, AUiX/kMDERs A l l r ig h t .
BY MR. ALEXAWRSRj
Q Go ahead and look a t th a t, i f i t re fre sh e s your
r e c o l le c t io n .
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. MR. MARSH: I was going t o fo l lo w h is testim ony.
THE COURT: A l l r ig h t .
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Q Co ahead.
A There are f iv e em ployees. Raymond A l t i c e , date
hixed O ctober, 1945. W alter Hodges, 1523. W illiam E. Hodge
1932. Elwood Hodges was employed in la te '70 o r e a r ly *71,
I d o n 't have the exact d a te . >
Q As to Elwood Hodges, would you t e l l us i f Lo hoc]
any s p e c ia l ta le n ts and what they o r e .
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who are ab le to go out and do la s t minute touch-up, i t tncy
did a minor r e p a ir , they are ab le to do t h is . I t ia a very
c h i l le d type e£ op era tion . This rvsn d id th at op era tion xor
S tan ley . A ls o , i f they had a d ea ler com pla in t, he wont to
Liiat d e a le r ’ s s to re and a c tu a lly made r e p a ir s , i f there vero
any in th e ir judgment. I know lie made those t r ip s t o d e a le r ’
s to re s to do t in t rep a ir work.
Q Approxim ately how much o f your product i s so ld
a t these fu rn itu re markets?
A : I ca n ’ t answer, Mr. A lexander.
Q Can you t o l l i f i t is ten p er cen t?
A I vou ld cay i t i s lc^ a , probably t c i per c e n t .
I t ia a p resen ta tion ra th er than a major s o i l i n ' .
Q Where are the company’ s products d isp layed to
custom ers?
A High P oin t, North C arolin a , Vizw Yor’c C ity ,
Chicago* the west c o a s t , San F ra n cisco , Los An^slea, I b c l io v
I b e lie v e D allas has a market.
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Q Do you have any block, people who have ap p lied
fo r that work or q u a li f ie d fo r i t in that, depart :*ont?
A No, s i r .
Q O utside o f that are there any departments where
b la ck people have not been h ire d , a t le a s t o f f and on during
the p e r io d , J u ly , *6fi to date?
A I am n ot aware o f i t .
Q , Do you know? You are the personnel roan.
A There arc none t o ay knowledge. I do not know o
any department.
Q What about the veneer room?
They have had b la ck s t y e s .
Can you name one here today?
Coleman W right.
Do you know o f any jo b out there which a t one
t in e o r antocrh during that period haa not been held by vh l
A ITo, s i r .
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Ersplo/ucnt form .
Were you present when the com p ila tion was made?
I was.
Did you supervise i t s making?
I d iu .
Who d id i t ?
D ick Johnson.
When did he do i t ?
A Last n ig h t.
Q Where?
A In the m otel room.
Q Are these forms from which th is is taken, record
o f o r ig in a l en try in your company?
A Arts they the o r ig in a l record s in ths company?
q Arc tiusre records o f o r ig in a l en try (
A Yes, s i r .
. . . E xh ib it passed to ju ry . . .
q Now would you t e l l —
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co n s t itu te a l l o f the peop le hii-ed daring ihe la s t s ix
months?
o f people h ired at one d o lla r and a qu arter to one d o lla
th ir ty cen ts as a percentage o f t o t a l new h ires during
that sLs, month p e r io d ,
HR. MARSil: What waa the t o t a l number o f people
h ired at any ra te?
Tlffi wmiESS; T ota l number o f peop le h ired at
any r a te , I do n ot have th at in form ation on h ere , s i r .
These o re ip e o p le who were h ired who had not worked fo r
The Lane company p r io r to th is employment in 19G5, the
la s t s ix months.
TIT. COURT: Are these a l l o f these je o p le ?
TIT wTiKiw.S: These are a l l o f the peop le .
Tiu; COURT: What tio Is cay i n / , the so are a l l o f
Tic: v rn E S S : MO, a i r . This i s the t o t a l number
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These u c people who had newt* vork id fo r The L<u*.o
Company ho lo r e .
Tllii COURT: Uhat he is asking i s t h i i a l l ?
THE Vimr.ZS: T h i3 Is e l l o f the new p e o p le , yes,
s i r .
Thai COURT: I s n 't that what you want to know?
MR. MARSH; Yes, your Honor. I would l ik e t o
know a ls o how loany people are In the ca teg ory o f those
who had p rev iou s ly v;crked fo r The Lane Company.
Tilii fcm c& d : I d o n 't tvavo th at f ig u re o ffh a n d .
HR. MARSH: I ju s t want the re cord 1 3 show ny
o b je c t io n to th is unless he can show a l l t »e people wh;i
were h ired during that tim e.
THE COURT: D id n 't one o f your e x h ib its undertake
to g iv e th is average? I th ink Ho. 6 , 7 o r 8 , sooewher;
a long in th ere .
MR. MARSH: Y'c had a l l tlie d i f fe r e n t c a te g o r ie s .
One ca tegory se le c te d out — 1 cm o b je c t in g to t h is .
THE COURT: The o b je c t io n ia overru led .
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you ex p la in what tiiia e x h ib it shows*
A A ll r ig h t . This e x h ib it shows the to t a l n u .jor
o£ people h ired during the la 3 t s ix months o f 1965 a t Hie
ra te o f $1.25 or $1.30 who have not p rev iou s ly worked fo r
The Lane Company.
Q What i s the breakdown?
A I t shows 14 b la ck s h ired a t $1*25* I t shoos 21
w hites h ired a t $1 .25 . I t shows 33 b la ck s h ired a t $1*30
and 56 w hites h ired a t $1.30*
Q I w i l l hand you another document marked defenuap
E xh ib it 3 and ask you I f you can id e n t i fy that*
A Pardon?
Q Go ahead and id e n t i fy i t .
A This i s the year 1966, the same in form ation ,
peop le h ired a t the ra te o f $1*30, $1*35, a ls o s ta ted
percentage o f t!vs new h ire s sta rted at tiiat r a t e , $1*30 or
$1 .35 .
Q Docs t il ls have the same clvaracterisi le s that
d v h lh it 2 had, t.'iat tlus ra tes apply on ly to emn ovccs who
! ;vc not worked nt Lane b e fo re ?
A That is c o r r e c t , s i r .
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A Xi a 'c were people L ire a t:u a ra te eetwver or
above $1 .33 .
Q This chews tiie people at on ly those two ra te r/t
A Yea, a i r .
Q A l l r i^ h t .
A There were 206 a t the ra te o f $1 .30 o r $1 .33 .
Q Do you have a copy o f I t ?
A No, s i r , I d o n 't .
Q T e l l us q u ick ly what i t shows.
• « • E xh ib it passed t o ju ry . . .
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f o r id e n t i f ic a t io n and f i l e d . )
A I t shows 63.6 per cen t o f tdaita new h ire s wore
sta rted at $ 1 .3 0 . I t shows 71 .0 per cen t o f b la ck new h ire s
were sta rted at $ 1 .3 0 . The breakdown, the w hites h ired a t
$1.30 were 104. Blacks h ired a t $ 1 .3 0 , 53. W hiles h ired at
$1.35 were 29 . Blacks h ired a t $1.35 were 31. 36.1 per ceni:
o f now h ires sta rted at $1.30 o r $ 1 .3 5 .
Q ltr. Go.'^tn, do you have the t a l l y sheets and
backup inform ation from which th is e x h ib it was cade?
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Q Did you make up the saae s o r t o f th ing in
rep resen ta tiv e period s rather than that
A Let:or than th is ?
Q 1966.
A No, s i.r . X d o n 't r e c a l l .
Q , Would you t e l l us why you d id n 't run on through
1971.
A T io e , s i r .
Q When did you run out o f t in e ?
A This morning.
MS. KMlSH; Excuse toe, your Honor. To p ro te c t
the re co rd , \jq want to o b je c t to these e x h ib it as
r e f le c t in g on ly p a r t ia l in form ation .
TUE COURT: A l l r ig h t , the o b je c t io -i Is overrule
fo r the moment. The o b je c t io n is overru l' d t o ITo. 2 .
I d o n 't want to hear any more. On No. 3 , i f you ’..a it
u n t il a f t e r you cro ss examine, i f you v o n . to rc-v/.v*
»t f* h ̂ r* * - f l-i »s#«1 ̂ % !»• n *•
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Q I w i l l hand you a com pila tion marked defendant1!;
Ihchibit A and ask yen to t e l l us what that la , I f you w i l l .
A There i s a e r ie Increases la b e led m erit increase!
cuaraary.
Q Pardon?
A M erit in creases summary.
Q Where are the working papers from v i i c h you made
2 and 3?
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Q Would you cocao down and get them. ’ fr . Marsh
wants them.
I would l ik e the record to show tha I I cm not;
handing Mr. Marsh the t a l l y sheens from which E xh ib its 2 ant
3 were made.
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on r o l l , lily i use an i l lu s t r e t , ion?
Q Yea, it. w i l l be a l l r ig h t .
A For the year 1971 per cen t o f b la ck i on r o l l in
the fa r r i 3h t-h 0n.il column is 20 .2 per c e n t . Caning back to
my l e f t , I have a column, b la ck s rece iv ed as per cen t o f
t o t a l . Tliat shows a fig u re o f 20 .6 per c e n t . That i s the
per cen t o f r c -r u te s granted during that year , :aerit in crca :
These are on ly m erit in crea ses that were re ce iv e d by b la ck s
during that year. That would oean that the b la ck s re ce iv ed
s l ig h t ly more, 20 .6 as opposed to 20*2. They re ce iv e d 20.6
o f the r e -r a t e s . There wore 20 .2 per ce n t o f t.ie r o l l .
Q Did you prepare a chart to i l lu s t r a t e f o r the
Court and ju ry what ia on that document?
A Yes.
Q I hand you E xh ib it 5 and ask you i f that i s one
o f those ch a rts?
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TIL.; CIEOT: Take :-y U ulfc and punch a h ole la i i
MR. OLI-ITCIEER: This i s d e fen d a n t's E x h ib it G.
efe; h a l t ' s exhi; rr 6 was cun
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Ml!. HARSH: Do you have an ex tra copy?
m . ALEXANDER: No, I have no co p ie s o f t h is .
I t i s ju s t an i l lu s t r a t io n .
THi! COURT: Do you have Ho. A?
MR. HARSH: Yes, I am ta lk in g about the ch a rt .
THE COURT: That i s a l l I have.
THE WITNESS: This shows the percentage o f tncrit
in crea ses given t o w h ites .
. . . E xh ib its p laced on board . . .
BY MR. ALEXANDER:
Q Hr. G ogsin , would you step over th ere — can
your Honor see i t ?
THE COURT? I can see i t . A i l o f tl ese cone tron
these fig u re s hero?
MR. ALEXANDER: Yes.
THE COURT: I d o n 't need to see i t .
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o f employees w r e b la ck . 20 ,3 per cent o f nerir: in crea ses
\wre re ce iv ed by b la ck s . 1970, 18.7 per cen t o f employees
were b la ck . 1 ^ . 1 per cen t o f m erit Increases wore re ce iv ed
by b la ck s . 197i , 2 0 .2 per cent o f employees were b la ck .
That Is the brown l in e . 20 .6 per cen t o f m erit in crea ses
were re ce iv ed by b la ck s . That i s the green .
Q , A l l r ig h t , the other chart i s ju s t the reverse
o f th is ?
A Yea, s i r .
Q Showing w hites?
A Y es, s i r . This i s these percentages from a
hundred taking those and p lo t t in g th ose . This would show
85 .0 per cent ox the employees were w hite during the la s t
s ix months o f 1955. Percentage o f employees wh > are white
bein g p lo tte d on the brown.
Q A l l r ig h t .
Tiki COUkI: What are those numbers?
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m . ALLXAhDER: A ll r ig h t .
. . . E xh ib its passed to ju ry • . •
Kl , MARSH: To keep me from in te rru p tin g , can I
reserve ny r ig h t to o b je c t u n t il 1 c ro s s examine?
XUS COURT: I f you want t o . You may o b je c t now.
Do you want to o b je c t?
MR. HARSH: I would ra th er reserv e i t , because
I need sock2 in form ation from him.
THE COURT: I th ink now fo r the moment I am goin£
to withdraw from the determ ination Ho. D*3. There i s
no exp lanation o f 36 em ployees. I ain go in g to withdraw
i t . I f you have i t , p lease g iv e i t back and d o n 't paj
any a t te n t io n .
MR. ALEXANDER: May I be heard b r ie ly on th at?
TIE COURT: Y es. I d o n 't know whether these
employees are b la ck or w hite o r whether t ey hod
experien ce or inexperien ced , I th ink s in ce tac f l e e t
one numbered D~2, which is supposed «*• 1)*^ had the* car Hi
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BY MR. ALEXANDER:
Q The d if fe r e n c e between 2jG end 239* Are those*
people — who is in that group and why aro they not on th is
e x h ib it?
A They were h ired a t ra tes oth er than $1.30 or
$1 . —
Q , On v:hht b a s is?
A On the b a s is o f th e ir former employ xint w ith The
Lane Company end experience again thereby ••
THE CO’Jl'CT: W ait. I thought the w itness sa id
f i r s t that th is d id , 3 d id not in clu de everybody who
had been , who were new h ired w ithout p revious experier
w ith The l/:ne Company.
HR. AXJLaANDER: lie sa id the e x h ib it included a 12
employees who v’ere h ired a t these two ra t^ s , your Hone
The cocEion fa c to r i s the two ra tes t o 6 hoj that both
b la ck and white were h ired at suae ra te s and doesn ’ t
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Is an explanation about the otlror tn ir ty p eop le . I t
nay be p e r fe c t ly v a l id , or i t nay be ju 3 t js in v a lid .
I f a l l o f tiveso p eop le , fo r example, w ere, a l l these
36 people were x.hite p eop le , w ith no previous experien
who were h ired at $1 .50 , your f ig u r e s here x.’ould not
show what they purport to show. Do you see what I an
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qu estion who were they .
THE COURT: He ju 3 t sa id they were peop le who
had previous experience a t The Lane Caspary.
K£, ALEXANDER: I was then ashing —
TIE COURT: la th at not what he answered?
ISl. ALEXMIDiiR: I w i l l take care o f i t a t r e ce ss
v it h the w itn ess .
TIE COURT: A l l r ig h t . Hr. m rs h a l get Ho. 3
from the ju r y , i f they hove i t .
A l l r ig h t , i t la a lready taken care o f .
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s ix cionths Iro a iyOo, each y ea r , *67 •• *66, *67, *66, *o2,
170, *71 fo r w hites and b la clts .
Q boos that in clu de thea a l l ?
A Yes.
Q Did you rtf las a ch a rt to i l lu s t r a t e that part o f
t ‘iat document which r e fe r s to h ires?
A Y es.
Q . I show ycu E xh ib it Mo. 8 and ask you i f that is
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Q What do tho brown bars on th at ch a rt r e fe r t o ,
h r . Goggln?
A Percentage o f persons age 15 and ow r in Frartkll^
County, V irg in ia who are b la ck .
Q And fr o a where d id you get tb o3e fig u re s?
1970 census.
T!ckj arc these — and that census is ju s t taken
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A The bra .n bars the same as you w i l l see . This
being the pcrcc.*Uv.e o f persons age 19 end over in rrsn a tin
County vho are M eek , the l e s t census bein g in 3970, vc hsrvr
token that car.K*. percentage a l l the vuy hack thre ugh fo r
i l lu s t r a t io n purposes. These green bars are the- percentage
c f t o t a l h ire s vdio are b la ck . In other w ords, [percentage oi
the t o t a l employees h ired during th is p eriod o f t in e or fchif
year, or th is year, and the green she*,a the percentage o f
that tot a l number jof jjersons h ired who ere b la ck .
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Q ' Did you prepare p erson a lly the E xh ib it No. 7?
A Yes, s i r .
Q Did you prepare, frota wlxat record s d id you prepfj;
A Are we sj 'caking —
Q R eca p itu la tion h ire s and term in ation s•
A Yes, s i r . Would you re s ta te the q u estion .
Q Froa vhat records d id you prepare th is ?
A Froa ciaployiacnt forua and term in ati ,n form s.
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end ask you vhot that i s .
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department to which they were assign ed . ih is i t on i .-.*--1-.1
cnploynxcnt. The department they were assign ed . I t b1.ov.-s the
t o t a l nvuol>cr c f peop le assigned to that departae i t . I t show
the nuribcr o f white and the number o f b la ck , and the to t a ls
fo r the to t a l nuuhe'r h ired in that month, the t o t a l nutker
o f w hite and the to t a l number o f b lo ck .
q Was there any s p e c ia l reason f o r your s e le c t in g
A p r il o f each year?
A Ro, s i r .
Q Did you do the same th ing f o r another month in
those years?
A I d id .
Q So fa r as you know, what months d id you do?
A August,
Q So fo r as you know are these months and these
d isp ers ion s ty p ic a l o f what went on year-round?
A Y es, s i r .
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that?
jEi„ MARSH: Y es, s i r , i t i s common kiowlcc;<;e tha
v:arlc patterns and h ir in g patterns do flu c tu a te f t o a
month to month.
TIUS COURT: You have had your s t a t i s t i c ia n in
p ossess ion o f a l l these f i b r e s fo r some osnthfl. Do
you f in d any variance? What does your s t a t i s t i c ia n
say?
Ml, MARSH: We h aven 't had a chance to lo o k at
them yet*
XRI2 COURT: Your o b je c t io n i s overru led fa r the
moment,
(DEFHMDANT'S EXHIBIT 10 was taa:i
fo r it le n t if5x a t io n and f i l e d . )
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E xh ib it 1 0 , ar. 1 ask you vhat that i s .
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Q i;o you ho vii;o you hove any reason to b e lie v e tl a t tiuit io
other than reprosen L alive?
A Ho, r> i r .
. . . in h ib it passed to ju ry . • .
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Q I w i l l hand you a l i s t oar Iced defetw. ant*s
E xh ib it 1 1 and ask you what that i s .
A This i s Live surinary o f involun tary tern in a tion s
fo r the p eriod Ju ly 1, 1965 through ieccr.iber 31, 1971.
Mr. Goggin, does the word "ausiaary" apply toQ Mr. Gogg
anything oth er than
A No, s i r .
Q What i s .
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Attached to the Birouary are the ind: vidua 1 dates
c l c c h nurwOrs, and reasons L *. te ,,,.xiu<4ti0i-.£',
involuntary tera .ira ti ono during th is e n t ire per: r.-J c i t a
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. . . E :J';ibit passed to ju r y . . .
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fo r id e n t i f ic a t io n and f i l e d . )
Q I v i l l hand you a l i s t o f com p ila tlen s marked
defen dan t's E xh ib it 12. Would you t e l l us what that i s .
A Mew h ir e s , Ju ly 1 , 1963 through Septaaber 30 ,
1968. The fro n t sheet shows the percentage o f M acks h ired
end the t o t a l number and the percentage c f white, h ired and
the t o t a l number during tixat three month p e r io d .
Q The sheets attached to that purport to show
s ta r t in g r a te s , i s that c o r r e c t?
A Yes, s i r .
Q Are these a l l o f the enployee3 by race w ith th ei
s ta r t in g ra tes o f pay during the period shown?
A Yes, s i r . The dotes are in d ica ted on the lv .lt .
Vhe dates o f cap loyn on t, and th is is taking enp oyaent ?■'••••-vvil
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Q V’no 5.t done in your presence or under your
su perv ision 'end c o n tro l?
A Y es, s i r .
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Q I w i l l hand you d e fen d a n t^ I n h ib it 13 and ask
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A Kew h ir e s , Ju ly 1 , 1971 tlurough Sep'.iembor 30,
1971. I t g1io\;o per cent o f b lack s h ired and nuiibcr o f blacV^i
h ired during that p e r io d . I t shoos percentage o f w hites
h ired during that period and nunber o f w h ites d irlng that
p e r io d . Attached to i t a ls o are sheets beginning w ith Ju ly
running — excuse n o . Beginning w ith J u ly , 1971, showing
the c lo c k r.uaabor, the nan*», the ra ce , whether they have
p rev iou s ly worked there or n o t, and assignment :nd r a t e , and
i t runs s tra ig h t through from enploytkmt fureas .hrough
•'ntp<"hov 30. 1971,4 *
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to the e x h ib it that you withdrew, I liave i l l o f the.
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K\, ALhX/dtl&R: I t Is Mo. 3 . Your honor vifciidrfli
i t because there wore 33 peop le not shown on th ere .
1950, end I have —
TI;i2 COURT: You have the l i s t o f the other r«eafi!i
and other data?
HR. ALEXAUDliR: I d o n 't have the l i s t o f names.
I have the r a te s , whether they are b la ck and w h ite ,
and we d id i t in our room la s t n ig h t. I t i s a c u t te r
o f t in e . You c a n 't g e t a l l .
Ju st one moment, p le a se .
lie 1133 got the data cn these other people h ere.
Had i t i c r a d o lla r and th ir ty and t h i r t y - f i v e , fo r
40 , 45 , 50, 55, GO, 65 and 70, he ha3 them down by
b lacks and by w h ites . That is a l l that a alees any reivi
d if fe r e n c e .
TITS COUTH: I f he attach es th a t , t b i t cures yenr:
o b je c t io ii
K \ MMlilll: Yes.
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Mi* JvV'.oil: X u i^ht fir.d golx* o th er o b je c t io n or
c ro s s cxsud.nation,
TICS COURT: I th ink that cures a l l jo u r ob jectic j^
because i t d id n 't have a l l the p e o p le . Seme o f the
peop le v;cre l e f t o f f .
. . . E xh ib it passed to ju ry • * .
MR. ALEXANDER: Your Honor sa id something about
you would go u n t il soiaebody h o l le r s . I ani about to
h o l le r .
THE COURT: I ara w aitin g fo r the m arshal, he has
gone t o g e t the ju ry some c o f f e e ,
MR. AlEXA*R)IiR: I am about t o h o l le r I f I have
got tha stren gth l e f t .
THE COURT: A l l r ig h t . Ue v / i l l con s id er that yo}.
have h o lle r e d . We w i l l re ce ss fo r a few r in u te s .
P lease observe the usual p reca u tion s . I f a l l these
e x h ib its on both s id e s -• how oany store e x h ib its Co
you Liave?
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Til;: CGUkT: A l l r ig h t , you a l l take them.
1-Ire. W itt, [,ive them a l l the exh ib it 3 that rare
In ami Jet tiiem take a l l the ones, Including the ono
you have.
. . . Thereupon, a re cess van taken at 5:45 p .n
a f t e r which the Court and counsel r e t ir e d to chambers
where the fo llo w in g proceedings were had In the absence
o f tire j ury . . .
TIS COiniT: Let the record show that the defends
o ffe re d a group o f papers mrabeiv d E xh ib it 14, which
are the records concern ing r a is e s o f cert;: in b la ck
employees who have passed c e r ta in w hite e cp lo y ccs in
th e ir pay, the s t a t i s t i c s or the papers being o f fe r e d
to show that there i s no system atic d is cr im in a tio n .
You s ta te your o b je c t io n .
IZ\. IIAEOli: Our o b je c t io n i s th at tt ese e rh il i t s
con ta in inform ation about numbers o f white eranlovees
w ithout being spec i f i c in tor. is o f why, in the; < p .ct'-'i:
in which they are vorlring, ti*ci way they a. ti c , i,( i . u
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tue wage i>< ; i e and Vvuo knows* Cub oiuc*c employees v/no
have oxc.-v .-2ii uno on the iiitv Ct t k -S exh bxt ce •
on ly thonc b lack employees who liave e x c e l le d , so Uhls
e x h ib it in not a rep resen ta tiv e saiaple, but i t wan
chosen d e lib e r a te ly and, th e r e fo r e , i t has no probativ
va lu e.
I f a l l the employees wcx'c so con sidered and rate
then i t would bo a d i f fe r e n t s to r y , but th is on ly
p ick s c e r ta in ones, and i t would be m islead in g , and
i t i s c e r ta in ly not re p re se n ta t iv e .
MR. AUEXAhDSRs S ince lie is basing i t on
re p re se n ta t iv e , I th ink I should say that i t w asn 't
o f fe r e d as rep resen ta tiv e at a l l . I t wa3 o f fe r e d as
p roo f that there i s no system atic pattern o f d icerim ir
a t io n . That i s a l l I have t o ca y . I am not going to
argue anymore. In f a c t , I hate to break up your
In term ite ion .
Tin: COURT: A l l r ig h t , I au going t<- exclude i t .
I think I would admit i t i f there wore sa e random
way o f s e le c t io n fo r the th in g .
IZi. ALEXANDER: Frankly, I haven’ t < ven t.x'.cd
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. . . Thereupon, the Court end coun sel returned
to the open cou rtrooa at 6 :30 p .ti. when the fo llo w in g
proceedings wore had in the presence o f the ju ry . . .
Mg. HARRIS: B efore wo p roceed , may Mr. JfcEnlieica^r
be excused?
TU2 COURT: Yes.
Hr. McErihelner, the lawyer8 have agreed that you
may go i f you vent t o .
Mil. HARRIS: Thank you, s i r .
BY HR. ALEXANDER:
Q I w i l l hand you an e x h ib it onrfced d e fen d a n t^
In h ib it 15 and ask you I f you can id e n t ity th a t, p le a se .
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those three montiis?
A Ycg , s i r .
. . • E xh ib it passed t o ju ry . . .
Is p l a i n t i f f 's E xh ib it —Q
A K' y I c la r i f y ? That i s a l l \:hite males h irod
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THE COUilT: Is th is a l l v/nite males h ired in tho
three months?
THE w n ’TIESS: Yea, s i r .
TUB COUEIr Not a l l white males h ired a t come or
le s s e r ra te s?
THE UITiraSS: That i s a l l males h ired during tho
month.
THE COUitT: A l l ri& ht. 2!r . !fcss sta rted out a t
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TjLC i.'IThESS: Ye3 , s i r .
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TILE CGUILT: A l l r ig h t .
BY MR. AUUVvIXUR:
Q P l a i n t i f f s E xh ib it 1 is your pay stru ctu re that
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same pay s tru ctu re that was in e f f e c t in 1965, 1966?
A The wage s tru ctu re?
Q Y es.
A Ko, s i r .
Q How ranny times would you say i t has been changed
since that tim e, jU3t an estimate?
A Probably four or f iv e tim es, perhaps s ix .
Q Hr. u oggin , p l a i n t i f f ’ s e x h ib it 2 , tae jo b
eva lu ation book, whatever i t i s , would that ever ccme in to
the hands of su p erv isors?
A Ho, s i r .
Q For x:hat io i t used?
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Lhc j o b . You do not evaluate people on the fa c to r s that X
road to ycu yesterday . This eva lu ates what tlie jo b
requirem ents e r e . Adding theso up, you cocas up w ith a value
f o r c 3 ch tool: or each jo b , but in d iv id u a ls are not con sic 'crc
in a jo b ev a lu a tion .
Q Is the gcshq th ing true o f p l a i n t i f f ’ s E xh ib it 3 ,
the oth er jo b eva lu a tion , ra te range book?
A The nan ila fo ld e r you are r e fe r r in g to?
Q Y es.
A That i s a sunnary o f those p o in ts through that
th ick manual.
Q At any time s in ce The Lane Cotipany took th is
p lant ovor at kocky Haunt has there been any d iffe r e n c e
vdiatcvcr in vacation and vacation pay as applieH between
b la ck and w hite?
A NO.
Q As to h olidays?
A No.
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Q lia torn ity leave?
A No.
Q Absentee p o l i c ie s ?
A No.
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Q Any otiier fr in g e b e n e fit?
A No.
Q You t e s t i f i e d that your turnover ranges from
50 t:o 60 to 65 per ce n t . For c la s s i f i c a t i o n , p le a se , does
that Eiean w ith in a year when i t is 65 per cen t t lat 65 per
cen t o f a l l ctaployees l e f t you that year?
a Yes, s i r .
Q I don ’ t wont to be a te ch n ica l mathe vatic inn , I
aa ta lk in g abort p eop le . One hundred peop le ca y , does th is
raean that 65 o f those in d iv id u a ls l e f t you o r do -3 i t naan
that a number o f people l e f t you which r.:>:>unts to 65?
A It would rjenn a n efver c f peop le v h i h world ’ .a
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q You d o n 't know what that la tU r fig u re is a t any
tim e, do you?
A Ho, s i r .
Q \;hat fa c to r s en ter in to the d isp e rs io n o f net?
cijp loycca throughout the p lan t? I want t o l im it i t to new
employees — d isp e rs io n o f new employees and employees by
tra n s fe r .
A To operate our p lan t we have an authorized numbe::
o f people requ ired to perform a t the produ ction le v e l a t
which ue are opera tin g a t that p a r ticu la r tim e. As our
production le v e l r i s e s , i t would requ ire more peop le perhaps
in t o t a l , not throughout, i t is n ot a typo o f op era tion that
would req u ire , i f you increased your produ ction ten per cent
i t would req u ire ten par cen t more people in ev< r y , a l l the
way throughout your p la n t, every departnvmt. B: the sane
token, i f you reduced your production ten per c<nt, i t would
r o t mean that you would reduce your personnel ten per cen t
1 r. every department throughout your p la n t.
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Q Dees s k i l l have anything to cio w ith i t ?
K :. Excuse t.io, year ‘ .error. I rc lw et
T::H COUaT: P lease repirrase your q u estion .
r.i in . A U iivr
Q Axe there any other factors that have any
bearing on where employees are put to work or where tiicy are
transferred to?
A Y es, s i r . The s k i l l s , an employee w ith a g iven
s k i l l would not perhaps be in te res ted in working in th is
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areas unless he desired to work on a ch ii 't or fo r sorae oth er
reason . G enerally in the fu rn itu re in d u stry , a person w ith
experience w i l l work in an experienced area or lhe area in
which he has exp erien ce .
Q Arc there any oth er fa c to r s that have a bearing
on where employees ere d ispersed in departments?
A Y cc , s i r . Jlany tim es employees are unable to
\:ork one s h i f t r>3 opposed to the o th er . They c< s ta te , Ml
eat. on ly work second s h i f t , 11 o r , " I cannot work second s h i f t
*;«■/> vv* r ,r>v*y <"<*r gr>n1 q fh ^ f f pl-VM /n Aorv. fl—«- , 1
i i .x ; to work in an area w ith the nan they r id e w ith c r ,?s
c lo s e to tiuit person as ho can . To is maxes our ri« cs; . r \U
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could work an hour less town tue ouier in h giv» n uay, u«»u
Lads cau.c;.} car poo l problo/u i, They to \ o;;1.; in ; n
area In which tlia ir car p oo l worlds out b e s t .
Q Arc there any oth er fa c to r s ?
A Seese request work that is l ig h t and raake
speci a l requ ests that I would l ik e to work in a given
department.
Q Are there areas in the p lant where l ig h t work is
predominant o r not?
A . Predominant?
Q Y es.
A There are senae areas that the work ' >ould be
considered to be l ig h te r work, le s s p h y s ica l.
Q Could you g iv e us an example.
A Hand sanding, p ie ce o f sandpaper about fou r by
lo u r in ch es . You would sand th is w ith your hand, a f t e r
part o f a f in is h in g op era tion . Sprey s e a le r , r d e e s the
g ra in , you would take the sandpaper — i t i s a l iOSt s llctv
eandpapor. You are }u st c cu ffin n the top o f th is p ie ce o f
fu rn itu re w ith th at. That i s l ig h t work.
Q Are tlicrc other l ig h t jo b .' around t Vi U J ' O V kv 1.1 ■ I
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A Where p o ss ib le
Q Is rr.cn ever -
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A I t Is r e t .
Q How is overtim e d is tr ib u te d niaong employees?
A O-vertL ies norm ally i s worked, f i r s t c f a l l — uhe|\
\Xi say overtim e, our normal v;ork day would be nine hour3 .
\:o are ta lk in g about in crease in fo r ty h ours, you reach
ever tim e. V/e work normal schedule o f f iv e nine hour days.
I f a given department and as you change s ty le s o f fu rn itu re
as you change s u ite s o f fu rn itu re that you are b u ild in g , or
that you are f in is h in g or m achining, ore s t y le can req u ire
more work in one department than in anotlier department. We
r e fe r to i t as ov erloa d . Tilts would req u ire t o maintain a
schedu le , production schedu le , and to have i t av l i la b le fo r
t hiptaent as you have scheduled i t , that th is dep irtaen t
ra th er than dropping behind would would an a d d illo n a l hour
c : perhaps vork on a d d it io n a l even f iv e hours on barer Jay
r ng, vork ir.g f i f t y hours, to maintain th e ir ^ i
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produce the work.
Q l o you ever luv*c any overt true a l lo t t e d on the
o a s is o f race?
A Mo.
Q Ur. Coggln, who is the in d iv id u a l in ycut* p lant
x.lio would be ti»o o f f i c i a l person to deal w ith charges bole are
the c : c c ?
A I would, l suppose.
Q Do you know fo r a fa c t \ hen your c<x pany f i r s t
rece ived n o t ice that Fred iiosa had f i l e d charger b e fo re the
ihiOC? •
A In iee cu b cr o f 1% 6 .
Q Did you have any inioruvition , e ith e r o f f i c i a l or
c r o f f i c i a l , pr-‘ or to that t in e that he had f i l e d any char pc«
A Mo, a ir .
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Q V’hen dill i t a r r iv e and hoo ; :.d vhy?
A I v\as requested to obtain the c r i g i :a l applic.atd
v.e had Lite copy U iere. 1 c a l le d and uy desk happened to he
locked* Maintenance cu t the lo c k , removed th is fo ld e r fro u
ray desk and brought i t to Roanoke to tie, Lire c le r k brought
i t to Roanoke to tie.
Q Mr. Coggin, has that doer, sent been in your
c o n t r o l , p ossess ion , and under lo ck and Icey, except when
you took I t o u t, fro-:?, the tin e that i t was f i l e 1 v :ith your
c ampany u n t il that day?
A Yea, s i r .
Q Did i t have that erasure on the fro n t page b c io i
s tr ik e that o u t.
Do you knettf vhen that erasure x:a3 p it on that
document?
A I do n ot.
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so lY -iiny, t\ : .ale - - I don ’ t kns/i : Uia na i& — who
to s t i f l e d here yesterday , about h is leav in g?
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ra te In crease , i f ho would case bach?
A I do n v w i ic4 v %»• that a u th or ity ,
Q Did you p ron ise him any wage Increase?
A P o> s i r , I would not have promised .aia one,
Q Do you know when he was -• have you ex tra cted
' n foru ation rd.-r. rfc h is ra is e s and the ra te th at ho was
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Q p - you have a con versation v i t h Mai t ha Tuning
v.bout a tra n sfer?
A I d id .
Q Vhere 'ware you?
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spraying wax w is bothering h er. I to ld her I would be g lad
t o chock and t^ lk with her su p erv isor . T d id t) i s . The
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o f the week, p o ss ib ly Holiday or Tuesday the was in my o f f i c e
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to ld her that ve vou ld tra n sfe r her fre.* the Job the \:cz
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o f f hearing is here ( in d ic a t in g ) , There ia a f l a t ta b le ,
tota l r- M e . T ‘ e opera tor i s pu ttin g t ie stock in to pass
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via te r la 1 c\ ay i r a i the area anti throw th is in to ttierc and
paao Lhe b lock beck lo the op era tor ,
Q Is that —
A Th.flf; i s a ta lle r * :; or oC fbm rnr*s j< b .
Q I t L.iLt vhat lira, Ccyer wus doing?
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L.or •Lt "< ra: c • On October
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:aicxa*we. t ;::1 , 1967, the roc - ived a gen era l in c :.ca se .
i«n D e c o lo r 11, 1657, she rece ived a w r i t In crea se . On
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Q A l l r rg n t . 1>lU you know eupxoyees by Lae n«uu o
* .iy lor H all and /.H en H all?
A Y es, s i r .
Q When did tlicy come there as re la te d f o the tirue
that Patterson came there?
A T a ylor H a ll, I b e l ie v e case th ere about, probably
19 , around 1923 o r 30, I would sa y .
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Q You say T aylor H all came *2B, *30, fo r t y years
ago?
A Y es, th is gentleman i s past 65. 1 cm not 3ure
o f fc.is exa ct age . lie came there as a young person .
Q Mr. P atterson t e s t i f i e d about something on ly
b lacks are tru ckers out th ere . Is th at true?
A S ir?
Q Mr. P atterson t e s t i f i e d satietiling to the e f f e c t
that on ly b la ck ciuolovees are tru ck ers . Is that tree?
A lio , s i r .
Q Vhau arc truckers?
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l£t. ALEXANDER: Your Honor, I have no copy of
this. It la only for a limited purpose. I w ill let
you see i t .
THE COURT: Haa the other aide seen it?
, MR. ALEXANDER: No, s ir , I w ill let them see it ,
THE COURT: What is the purpose, to prove
Louderallk's date of hiring?
MR. ALEXANDER: Yea.
THE COURT: Let him see i t . To refresh his
recollection. I won't let it be used ea an exhibit.
MR. ALEXANDER: That la a ll I want.
THE COURT: He may use it as a record of the
company to refresh his recollection. Use it for that
purpose.
J u st have him testify from i t . 1 don't want
the ju r y to see the whole l e t t e r . Just ask the
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i-u-uresuea your rucoxxectxon o r n o t , ca*u>wur ate, coes x.l <
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Q Having re fresh ed your r e c o l le c t i o n , can you t e l l
the date o f h ire o f Loudcrnilk?
A June 21, 1965.
Q Ilavc you ex tra cted from your record s the pay fo r
Ifr. Kidd? Ho, I take that back . I don*t b e lie v e ho te s t if i !) :
vo you have a f i r e department out there?
A Yes*
Q , What Is i t ?
A P lant f i r e b r ig a d e .
Q T e l l us about it * What i s i t ?
A I t i s composed o f 16 p eop le , one freat each s e c t i^
o f your plant* This i s a — i f you w i l l , a f i r s t a id type
o f th in g , in case o f f i r e . These people are fa m ilia r w ith
where your c u t o f f s are f o r your main sp r in k le r lin es* They
are a ls o fa m ilia r w ith the use o f sm ell in plant f ix e hone,
sm all being inch and a h a lf hose as opposed t o i b ig f i r e
department hose* They have had some tra in in g with the larnei
L oses, but p rim a rily i t i s fo r in p lant f i r e s . They arc
fa m ilia r w ith the operation o f f i r e ew tingulshci a . Ik*cj
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A Ti ay re ce iv e one hour’ s pay, and th is i., i o c a
d rill once a roc nth* They d rill one hour a month lo r which
they receive pay.
Q Twelve hours a year, is that right?
A Yes.
Q DO you know whether it has blacks or whiten in
the brigade?
A I do not at the moment, no, s ir .
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Do you know the makeup rrctally of the sanding
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Q What is it?
A It is a total of about 28 employees.
Q Yes.
A I b e lie v e they are — I can name thicc, p o cs ib ly
ve, I am not p o s it iv e . Could vary up or down one o r fcvo.
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Q Is the f i l l e r room -• \ u\t i s the f i l l e r
makeup?
A The f i l l e r room is a s e c t io n o f the f in is h in g
department. I t la not a separate d e p a re n n t . T h is i s one
op era tion on a conveyor l in o . F i l l e r , f e e l e r , variou s
op era tion s . I t i s not a department.
Q Docs I t have whites and b la ck s?
A Y es.
Q Do you know about how raeny o f each , approximate]
ltr . Goggin?
A I know there are b la ck s and w h ites . I would
doubt 1 cou ld t e l l you.
Q I s th at room segregated w ith in i t s e l f ?
A No, s i r , th is Is p art o f the f in is h in g departner
Q Xs there a Lane Foundation?
A Y es, s i r .
Q Uhat i s i t ?
A I t i s a foundation which fu rn ish es aid to Irnne
em ployees, fa m il ie s , cuch as ed u cation a l loans to th e it
ch ild re n .
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A T v 'd v e , I b e l ie v e .
Q Did any o f those go to b la ck s?
A Two.
Q Mr. Goggin, as the in d u s tr ia l r e la t io n s nan at
that p la n t , i s i t — s tr ik e th a t .
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Kliose r e s p o n s ib i l i t y is i t to s t a f f that p lant
w ith employees?
A To h ire the em ployees?
y . Y es.
A Mine.
Q Whose r e s p o n s ib i l i t y i s i t to f in d theta, lo ca te
them?
A Mine.
Q What do you do t o lo ca te them when you need them
And I aa r e fe r r in g s p e c i f i c a l l y as t o b la ck p eop le .
A I put n o t ice s on the b u l le t in board t o a l l crcplo
\ie have many b la ck em ployees. 1 put n o t ice s on the b u l le t in
board t o a l l em ployees, p lease g ive us h e lp , we do need
em ployees. P lease t e l l your fr ie n d s , yo ’xv r e la t iv e s and
b r in g them to u s. I ob ta in names by va lu in g th: ou;(h the
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Q li-ve you c o n s is te n t ly skcc any stat- aunt* about
the cuapany's p o lic y toward this subject/
A That we arc an equal opportun ity eetjloyer.
Q Have you run any ad that has not ha<l tint
characterization on it during the period ve are talking aboi
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A I aa not aware of any.
Q There Is testimony that you have two full-fledge
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internediate positions, between regular rank amt file and
full-fledged supervisors?
A Yog, s ir .
Q What are these people?
A They could be called load taco, they could bo
called understudies to tho supervisor.
Q How many of them do you have?
A H ow may in that category?
Q Ycc.
A Probably at this tine 15.
Q Hr. Ccggin, have you hcJ my contact
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W What do you do w ith th cco b la ck leaders about
employees a t your p lant?
A What do I do?
Q What a c t io n do you take?
A T e l l them we need em ployees. They w e ll know we
are not in te re s te d in whether they are b la ck o r w h ite . We
want employees and ask them to r e fe r t o us anyone they have.
Q , Can you name some o f these — are these rcco^niz*
b la ck leaders in the community?
A Y es, s i r .
Can you name some o f them?
Yea, s i r . McKinley Hamilton.
Is Mr. Hamilton in the courtroom ?
I d o n 't b e lie v e he i s today. He was e a r l ie r ,
during th is t r i a l .
Q What i s Mr. Ham ilton’ s p o s it io n t h e i27
A He is a m in ister w ith the F ir s t B a p tist Church.
Ha i s pastor th ere , lie i s a ls o a c t iv e in the HAACP ch a pter.
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large grocery s to re there in town. 1 have known him a l l my
l i f e . I have ta lked w ith him many, many tim es.
Q Talked w ith these la s t two. What was the subjec
what su b je ct d id you d iscu ss w ith them as re la te d to employe^
A We v:ould l ik e fo r you to send us anybody you
know look in g fo r a jo b .
Q Okay, go ahead.
A Hr. A. A. Hicks i s another. Mr. Hicks i s the
county agent. He Is b la ck , and ho i s county agent and has
been in Franklin County fo r years and years . He goes a l l ovlfc
the county working w ith farm ers. I have ta lked w ith him.
1 see him probab ly , a t le a s t ten days or two weeks a t the
post o f f i c e . \;c go at approxim ately the sane time and we do
run in to each other qu ite o fte n . He i s w e ll aw ;re o f the
fa c t that we do want employees and that we do h ire b l o o t s ,
and that he f o c i s fre e to send to us anyone he l nows.
q Do these people r e fe r b lack s to you?
A Yes, they have.
Q f>o you know a person by the name o f Trudy D.
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A Trudy Berger i s a young lady , sue is b la ck , v.uo
kbs attending Leeway High S ch oo l. She was very a c t iv e in
the 4-H program th ere . They had a 4-H, I b e lie v e they caller
i t an exchange program where students from th is country went
to other cou n tr ies in the summer, and 1 b e l ie v e they stayed
probably c lo s e to two months th e re , and students fr o a that
4-H, I assume i t was 4-11, students in those cou n tr ie s came
to th is country as an exchange program.
Q Did your company have anything t o do w ith
sponsoring and fin a n cin g th is exchange fo r th is b lack g i r l ?
A We did.
Q That was in what year?
A 1967, I believe.
MR. ALEXANDER: That is a l l , your Honor.
CROSS EXAMINATION
BY MR. MARSH r‘
Q Mr. Goggin, did I understand you to say that The
Lane Company did no hiring in 1957 and 1960?
A No, s ir , you did understand r.*e to say that.
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Q Lo j ou kiivw haw many people baay liiiwO?
A Very few because they were reducing the p lant re
greatly during that tiuie.
Q Would you give us an estimate,
A I would say they reduced the plant roll by thirt
per cent, perhaps more.
Q Can you give me an estimate of the number of
people they were hiring in each of those years?
A No, s ir .
Q Would you deny that it was 15 in 19C0?
A You said before when?
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Q Fifteen in 1960, 14 in 1959?
A I don’ t have the figures, I couldn't say, s ir ,
Q Was the company having turnover during those yea,
A X wasn't in personnel during that time.
Q Companies always have turnovers ss long as you
have been connected with it?
A Except during periods of depression when work is
not too plentiful and your turnover Is reduced con s id era b ly .
Q You don't deny your company had turnover during
the years 1957 to I960?
What about 1961 end 1952? l.aa the v> ,-rny hir.fnt
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then?
A I do not know, I was not doing employment during
that tim e.
Q Do you know whether the coapany had caployiuent
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A No, s i r , I d o n 't .
Q Do you know about 1963 and *64?
A *63, I was doing employment part o£ that year.
*64 I was doing employment.
Q ■ Now the turnover that you mentioned e a r l ie r , d id
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s ta rte d . There was not a n ight s h i f t during that period o f
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Q 1 am so rry , l e t me c o r r e c t my q u estion . 1 am nol
ta lk in g about in the e a r ly days. Since Ju ly 2 , 1965. lias
the turnover that you t e s t i f i e d hero about fo r sev era l days,
was th is turnover throughout the whole o p e ra tio i, n ight and
day?
A You want me to compare turnover a t n ight w ith
turnover a t day?
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be any d if fe r e n c e in the n ight s h u t titan the <h>y s i u i t i
A From ray o p c -r ie n ce i t is harder to luicp people
on the n ight s h i f t than i t is day. They become d is s a t is f ie s
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Q So i t would be h igh er, i t w ou ldn 't be lower?
A I t cou ld be .
Q Now these production forms that we have heard
about, these forms saying how much time i s expected fo r a
ce r ta in jo b — do you have a d i f fe r e n t s e t o f forms fo r the
n ight and a d i f fe r e n t s e t fo r the day or do you use the same
forms?
A I d o n 't have anything t o do w ith those form s.
Q Do you know whether or not the same forms are u f [
whether or not they are d i f fe r e n t ?
A They are the same form today , yea , s i r .
Q Would you have any way o f knowing i f a b la ck
employee requested h is foreman to tra n s fe r him :o another
department?
A Would I have any way?
Q Would you have any way o f knowing every tinto thiit
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A That Is c o r r e c t .
Q Mr. Goggin, i s there a w ritte n , to your knowledge
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i s there a w ritten d e s cr ip t io n o f the various jo b requirement
to your knowledge/
A Yes, s ir . You say written description?
q Yes, of the various job requirements.
A In the black book job evaluation manual, is that
what you refer to, sir?
q Do you recall testifying, s ir , in this case,
taking your deposition on March «• let me get the date. I
think it was March 16 — February 16.
A February 16, as 1 recall, yes.
Q Do you recall on page 70, line 15, uy asking yot
th<a question: "Is there any written description of the vnri
job requirements to your knowledge?"
your answer: "Not to nv knowle ic.o is there
And zvj further q*v?ction:
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And your answer: " I don ’ t Lt/ow.1’
A There are no jo b requirem ent d e scr ib in g a jo b iiji
w r it in g to ny knowledge. That i s a c o r r e c t statem ent, yes
s i r , that i s a c o r r e c t statem ent and I remember saying that
Q Let me ex p la in . My qu estion was is there any
w ritten d e scr ip t io n o f the various Job requirem ents?
A No, s i r , I am sorry I m isunderstood your quest
s i r . The la s t , the qu estion you asked me h ere , I m isundersf
you. There ore no w ritten jo b d e scr ip t io n s to ray knowledge
Have not been any to my knowledge.
Q No, I w i l l rephrase my q u estion . I s there a
w ritte n d e scr ip t io n o f the variou s jo b requirem ents?
HR. ALEXANDER: 1 o b je c t t o th a t . He ju s t answ^i
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THE COURT: Let him ask I t aga in .
BY MR. MARSH:
Q Do you understand my qu estion ? Is there a
w ritten d e s cr ip t io n o f the variou s jo b requirem ents?
A No, s i r .
Q You mean th is book does not con ta in the various
jo b require'"'/'"**’ ?
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jo b . I t con ta in s a d e s cr ip t io n o£ the elem ents and any o i
the fa c to r s considered in eva lu atin g that j o b . I t i s not a
d e s cr ip t io n o f the Job. I t does not say vhat the Job d oes .
Q Does i t con ta in requirem ents fo r tile jo b ?
A No — requirem ents?
Q Yes.
A I am not sure what you are ask in g , s i r .
Q Do you know what the coinpany req u ires f o r th is
p a r t icu la r jo b ?
A Requires ?
Q Y es, s i r , jo b requirem ents.
A We do not have that in that b la ck menus!, I f I
am answering your q u estion .
Q Now my la te r qu estion on page 70, l in e 21 —
MR. ALEXANDER: Wait ju s t a m inute. Page what?
MR. MARSH: Seventy, l in o 21.
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Q "Are there w ritten d e scr ip t io n s in p a r t icu la r
departments o f various jo b 3 ? "
And your answer was: "N o."
A Th~t i s c o r r e c t .
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jo b s and d yscri.p tion o£_tbo requ ire -.•nts tlujjt t:
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might have, the you requirem ents*
A Yes, s i r , I w i l l do that to r you. Is taut what
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Q I say is there a d iffe r e n c e ?
A Y es, there is a d i f fe r e n c e .
Q You toy there is no w ritten d e s cr ip t io n o f the
jo b s nor o f the requirem ents?
A I not sure I understand what you are asking
fo r requirem ents, j As I understand what you are ask in g , a
w ritten d e s cr ip t io n o f a jo b would be what I am supposed to
do t o perform a given jo b . There are no w ritten d e scr ip t io n
o f that nature.
Q. Hr. Goggin, does the company have in form ation
g iv in g the annual amount paid to each employee?
A Yes, s i r .
Q I t does?
A Yes, s i r .
Q Do you r e c a l l t e s t i fy in g the same d i t e , page 105
lin e 2: nls there a l i s t con ta in in g the annual amount paid
which would bo the sane as that on the \,'-2 statc:aent
prepared fo r each cr.r? l o y c c ? “
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Q So a t the H ue —
A I d id not know tliat l l a t e x is te d , no, a i r ,
Q Is i t a fa c t that most o f your employees were
trained to work on the various machines, are tra in ed a ft e r
they get to Lane and taught what t o do a t the p lan t?
A Yes, s i r ,
Q Is i t a ls o a fa c t that when a person cooes in ,
the way you determine which jo b he i s going to ba assigned
that you have an authorized number o f jo b s in various
departments and depending on where your needs a re , these are
where the people are assigned?
A W ithin reason , y e s , s i r ,
Q Is i t a fa c t a ls o , Mr, Goggin, that the in terview
that you had w ith the employee i s the b e s t way o f determ ining
h is experience on what he i s q u a li f ie d to do ra th er than
what is w ritten on the a p p lica t io n ?
A Is i t true?
Q Yes, s i r ,
A I would say the a p p lica t io n i s not com plete,
look in g at Hv» f nre o f l r , unions yon with '*n frv! ««?>’ . % - rl 1
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in terv iew a b e t te r way o f determ ining wuac a peison i s
q u a li f ie d to do?
A B etter than —
Q C otter than the a p p lic a t io n , r e ly in j on informs
in the a p p lica t io n ?
A No, 1 th ink one compliments the o th er .
Q Which would you say i s the b e t te r ?
A I d o n 't think you cou ld do a s a t is fa c t o r y jo b
w ith e ith e r one.
Q 1 You w ou ldn 't ra te one over tha o th er?
A I sa id you c o u ld n 't do a s a t is fa c to r y jo b w ith
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Q I say ranking the two, which one would you say
i s aore im portant?
A Many o f our a p p lica t io n s — I w i l l answer you
t ills w«5.y — many o f our a p p lica t io n s are n ot com plete ly
f i l l e d out when they are brought in . This is w ly you ta lk
w ith the person to make sure that i t i s . You d> know the
c o m p le te h is to ry o f the work h is to ry and rea son ! and what
they ere able to d o . I d o n 't know that I can answer your
o p t i o n b e tte r than th a t.
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th in g , but the in terview helps t o com plete toe a p p lica t io n
form i t s e l f .
Q Now do you r e c a l l t e s t i fy in g on page 123, l in e 3
s ta r t a l i t t l e h igh er, lin e 1 , I w i l l s ta r t a t l in e 5 -** I
guess I have to go to 1: "What would determine whether o r
not he would g e t the s ta r t in g r a te , o r whether o r not he
would get the advanced ra te?
"Answer: What are h is q u a li f ic a t io n s ?
"Q uestion : And th is would be determined by look,
a t h is a p p lica t io n and see in g how ouch p r io r experience lie
h a d ."
"Answer; Could be by ta lk in g w ith him. You get
b e t te r exp lanations by in terv iew ing these peop le than you
can from the w ritten a p p lic a t io n . The two togeth er g iv e you
a good p ic t u r e ."
Did you say that?
A Yea, s i r , that i s what I intended t c say ju s t no
Q I thought you sa id ju s t now you c o u ld n 't t o l l .
A I sa id one co^alim ents the o th e r , s i r .
Q These jo b eva lu ation s that you have, have they
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how Ion s, as fa r as you know?
A Seme y e a rs .
q Were they In e f f e c t when you sta rted working
personnel in the company?
A I would say most o f theta, y es .
Q Mr. Goggin, you have defendant’ s E xh ib it 2 . I
show you th is e x h ib it marked as defendant's E xh ib it 2 . You
may hold th a t. I t contains a number o f b la ck s , o r purports
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merit, in creases during the la s t s ix months o f 1965.
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q i s th at true?
A This is No. 2 .
Q Would you t e l l me what that con ta in s .
A This con ta in s the number o f b lack s h ired during
the la s t s ix months o f 1955 a t $1.25 and the number o f w hite
h ired during tine la s t s ix months o f 1965 a t $1.2.•. The
number o f b lades h ired during the la s t s ix months o f 15o j ,
h ired in the la s t s i t months o f ||
1965, $1 .30 . The t o t a l employment at $1.30 or $1.25 is
equal to 77.5 per cent o f new h ir e s .
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h ire s during that s ix month p e r io d .
Q I show you d e fe n d a n ts E xh ib it 3 , ths second peg;
o f that e x h ib it con ta ins the rem ainder, the com plete
s t a t i s t i c s , the second page o f that e x h ib it —
Tlffi COURT: Let me in te rru p t. You have the work,
sheets f o r No. 2 . That i s what they a re .
MR. ALEXANDER: I have the work sheets f o r the
other one.
THE COURT: L e t 's put them in . C lip them t o then
MR. ALEXANDER: Be sure tliat is i t . 1 ju s t
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i t to be the work sheets which contain the data from which yo .t
coraputated d e fen d a n t's E xh ib it 2?
A T h is was done under my d ir e c t io n . ; d id not do
i t p e rso n a lly , but i t was under my d ir e c t io n . T es, th is
would appear to be .
Q Would you read o f f the nuriber o f b lacks and the
number o f w hites who re ce iv ed the d if fe r e n t sa l. l i e s iti.-.Iier
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Caere were no ocacKS, crusre were cwo u.irufte.
w r e no b laclts , there were lou r w h ites . At $ 1 .1 o , there were
no b la ck s , there were two w h ites .
Q Would you look at the work sheets si sp ortin g
defendant’ s E xh ib it 3 and read o f f the number o f blaclts and
whites from $1.40 on up.
A Number o f b lack s at $ 1 .4 0 , none. Number o f
w h ites , 14. $ 1 .4 5 , number o f b la ck s , none. Number o f w hites
5 . At $ 1 .5 0 , number o f b la d es , 1 , number o f w h ites , 4 . At
$ 1 .5 5 , number o f b la ck s , z e ro , number o f w h ites , z e r o . At
$ 1 .6 0 , number o f b la ck s , z e r o . Number o f w h ites , 4 . At
$ 1 .6 5 , number o f b la d es , z e ro . Number o f w h ite r , 2 . At
$ 1 .7 0 , number o fb la d e s , z e ro . Number o f w h ites , 3 .
Q 1 show you d e fen d a n t's E xh ib it 4 . What does
that e x h ib it purport to show?
A This e x h ib it shows the m erit in crea ses granted
during the Ind icated years .
Q As i t i s d efin ed by th is e x h ib it , wculd a m erit
Increase in clude every increase as shown by the r e -r a t in g
form s, rega rd less o f the amount?
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aonoy the various people re ce iv e d , rega rd less Oi ra ise or
ca tegory?
A No, s i r , th is is a com pila tion o f t ie t o t a l nui.ib
o f r e -r a t e s , the number that a f fe c te d b lack s anc the number
that a ffe c te d w h ites . There are no d o lla r s in v h ite 3 . Thei
are no d o lla r s in b la ck s .
Q You Jo have in form ation shoving the amounts o f//
these in cre a se s , do you not?
A - I do not have any in form ation .
Q I don ’ t mean h ere , but the company lias a ccess
to that in form ation , does i t not?
A I t vas in the r e -r a te s we g o t , looked a t , y e s .
Q Hoi# d id you compute the percentage o f blacks on
r o l l , on t ills e x h ib it?
A How d id X compute i t ?
Q Y es, s i r .
A I took the number o f b lack s and nuol c r o f whites
on r o l l a t the end o f each month and averaged those fo r the
yef.r, both b lades and w h ites .
Q Would th is take in to account the pc ;:>le who 2cf^
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the r o l l s a t tl*e end o£ the month?
A This would be the number on r o l l a t efie end o f
the month, b la ck and w h ite .
Q So i t would not include the peop le who l e f t the
employment o f the cotapany, fo r any reason during the month?
A These were the people on r o l l , not tho people
who l e f t the company.
Q W ell, I f you assume that i t i s a h igher ra te o f
turnover fo r one group than the o th e r , then i s n 't i t possibl<
that th is w ou ldn 't be r e f le c t e d on the percentage o f b lacks
on the r o l l ?
A I d id n 't understand your q u estion , i f you w i l l
r e s ta te i t .
Q I f you would assume that there i s a h igher
percentage o f tu rnover. L e t 's assume that the percentage
o f turnover among blacks i s tw ice that o f w h im s. Then
the number o f b lacks a c tu a lly employed by the co .pauy cou ld
not bo r e f le c t e d on th is e x h ib it?
A I w ou ldn 't make that a a s r n t io n .
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turnover among blacks is approxim ately, would be very c lo s e
as a percentage o f t o t a l b lacks to number o f white turnover
i s percentage o f w h ites , I would th ink .
Q Is the turnover o f b lacks tw ice that o f w h ites ,
approxim ately?
A Twice? P o ss ib ly , I c a n 't answer th a t . I d o n 't
have the fa c ts to answer that w ith .
Q . The percentage o f b lack s on r o l l ranges from
15 per cen t to 20 per c e n t , and the number o f b lacks in the
employment o f the cornpany, I b e lie v e you sa id there were 600
o r so and approxim ately a th ird or more wore b la ck s?
A I b e lie v e —
Q The f i r s t day you t e s t i f i e d .
A 1 d o n 't know the tim es we are ta lk in g about.
What time we are ta lk in g about w i l l change f ig u r e s .
Q Any tim e.
A I would say our percentage would be roughly what
i t says or these are tho fig u re s e x a c t , s i r .
Q I s n ’ t I t a f a c t , s i r , that the numb r o f in crcac
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A The number o f in crea ses v a r ie s w ith length c i
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Q Yes, s i r . 1 say v a ries w ith the a cage or h is
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A I c o n 't answer th a t . I d o n 't understand your
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Q G enerally speaking, does on employee get more
in creases say during the f i r s t year o r two years o f h is
employment than he does a f t e r he stays a long number o f yeaili
A Ho, th is Is not true in a l l cases by any means.
A gain , an employee d o e sn 't learn the s k i l l s in a m atter o f
a month or a sh ort period o f tim e.
Q D on 't you have a minimum sa la ry and a maximum
sa la ry fo r the d i f fe r e n t jo b s ?
A We have a maximum sa la ry fo r the jo b s . Minimum
i s a fe d e ra l minimum.
Q I show you p l a i n t i f f 's E xh ib it Ho. 1. Do you
see the maximum sa la ry and the minimum sa la ry ?
A I sue a maximum sa la ry and I see a lin e dr;*wn
to the minimum. I expla ined yesterd ay , I b e l ie v e , ve do no:
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uucii spread b^cueon the bottom sa la ry anti the tap s la r y ,
1b I t , on sane o f your jo b s ?
A I b e lie v e the low est one w i l l bo 13 ce n ts .
Q Lowest spread?
A Yes.
Q So that a f t e r an eiaployee has been there f o r a
c e r ta in number o f y ea rs , he would have reached a maximum,
would he not?
A , This changes, s i r .
Q Did you t e s t i f y that th is was the nuximua scaled
A At the moment, y e s , s i r .
Q A fte r he had been there a number o f y ea rs ,
w ou ldn 't he reach h is maximum?
A The maximum, whatever the s c a le was.
Q Whatever the s ca le i s .
A I explained th a t , I b e l ie v e , i t would be p osslb
but a person who has a d e s ire and an a b i l i t y d o :s not
gen era lly reach a maximum beyond which he cannon earn moro
money and th is maximum is a ls o exp la in ed , i f not an
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Q 3o to r the u o st part when an employ*. i rca.-i^u
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he makes?
A I d id n 't make m yself c le a r* This on* was
e f f e c t iv e 2 -1 -7 2 . These are changed every year and your
t-yivirmim goes up. Am I answering your q u estion , s i r ?
q Hy qu estion was fo r the most p a r t , there i s a
maximum that a p p lie s in most ca ses?
A , Yes.
Q Do you understand my qu estion ?
A 1 understand there i s a maximum.
Q A fte r an employee reaches that maximum fo r the
008t part he d o e sn 't get any more Increases?
A You are assuming he rea d ies i t at a very e a r ly
sta ge .
q Whenever he reaches i t , he d o e s n 't g e t any more
in cre a se s , i s that your genera l ru le ?
A Y es, s i r , unless he changes to a mo*e s k i l l f u l j
o r has a d e s ire to learn other jo b s .
Q So i s n 't i t a fa c t that those employees who ti^vc
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TUS oOU.LT: I w i l l l e t i t go on a 11 . t i e b i t wore
A E vidently I aa not making m yself c le a r to you.
Uo aren 11 comaun te s t in g . i t would be p o s s ib le fo r an e u p l o l
to reach a maximum rate fo r the jo b in which h is s k i l l s wore
perform ed, ih c raxisiua that he reached would be on that
wage s tru ctu re a t that t in e . i t would not be the maximum
on tlte next v;age s tru ctu re when your s tru ctu res are changing
from year to y ea r . j He would have a h igher maximum, no would
not remain a t a low maximum, lie wouldn’ t s ta y where he was
on tl*e s c a le . He would be e l i g i b l e fo r a d d it io n a l in creases
i ocs th is answer?
Q Is that your answer? That i s your answer?
A W all, that i s my answer.
Q Even though these fig u re s have changed, have you
not aad s s im ila r wage stru ctu re s in ce IS65?
A Y es, we have.
Q Have the fig u re s ever been any h igher titan t h is !
A No. The fig u re s ore going ud as they are reviar 1
hch year or whenever they change.
Q The column on the fig u re w ith 100 per cent ITT,
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A l a s t weam> per cuut ei.^xcxuacy.
Q Woulu you ex p la in th at.
A That means that the department in which he is
working or the group w ith in the department has S ta in e d an
e f f i c i e n c y f o r a q u a rter , th ree months' p eriod — th at i s n : i
vliat th is f ig u re - w you wanted me to ex p la in e f f i c i e n c y .
1 w i l l have t o exp la in what e f f i c i e n c y ia .
q Explain what the fig u re means and you can make
the explanation you want.
A The fig u re i s on ly a guide f o r use o f the p la n t
manager and the r e s t o f i t ia look in g in soma re la t io n s h ip
between a maximum and something to g iv e you a ra te range.
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have performed or are expected t o perform a t 121 per cen t
e f f i c ie n c y ?
A No, 1 in d ica ted th is is a gauge or a gu id e ,
ra th er than having ju s t one f ig u r e , th is i s a naxiruura. Thli
g iv es you a f ig u r e , i f you w i l l , in a range below your
maximum a t 120 per cen t e f f i c i e n c y — anyone g en era lly
f*peaking who is in te res ted and attem pts t o work a t le a s t a
I .i ir day w i l l exceed 120 per cen t e f f i c i e n c y .
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A No, s i r , the l ig o r c s t .u t vere in o^ iatcr.ce priLCir
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Q The fig u re s crossed out on th e re , v la t do they
in d ica te ?
MR. ALEXANDER: I o b je c t to th a t , Le a lready
to ld him two times
THE CCU.vT: Oven:uled
A They are fig u re s that apply t o the A lta v is ta
op era tion , do not a f f e c t Rocky Mount o p era tion , have never
a f fe c te d Rocky Mount op era tion in any way.
THE COURT: 13 exam ination o f th is w itness going
to take much longer?
MR. MARSH: Not much lon g er , your Honor.
THE COURT: How many more w itn esses?
MR. ALEXANDER: One.
THE COURT: Is i t go in g to be very Jong?
MR. ALEXANDER: I t i s Mr. Crum. I d o n 't know
how I can assure your Honor. I t cou ld get in to conctb|:.
from the other s id e .
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MR. MARSH: I w i l l 3pced i t up.
THE COURT: I an not hurrying your c ro ss exoainaty:
IiY MR. MARSH:
Q Mr. Coggin, I show you No. 8 , shows the number
o f percentages o f persons in Franklin County who are b la ck
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Company. Do you litre e x c lu s iv e ly fra n Franklin County?
A N in e ty -fiv e per c e n t , 90 or 95 per cen t in Frank!:.
County, y es .
q Has th is percentage been constant over the years
A So fa r as 1 know i t has, y e s . We lo ca te d in
the cen ter o f the county and i t i s about equal tra v e lin g
d ista n ce to a l l se c t io n s o f that county .
Q Your percentage o f b la ck h ire s i s about 37 per
c e n t , 37 per cent o f your t o t a l h ires are b la ck is that
c o r r e c t?
A When?
Q Look at your E xh ib it No. 7 . You ha ro in d ica ted
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q And each year cite f ig u r e s , 3 3 , 32 , 33, 26, and
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A And 26 in '6 5 .
q And th is f ig u re Is s u b s ta n tia lly h igher than
15, 17, 17, 18 per cen t o f b lacks on the r o l l ?
A That is c o r r e c t .
q So th is vou ld in d ica te that you had more b la ck s
employed at any given time in your p la n t than you have on
the r o l l s as contained on your E xh ib it A, wouldn’ t i t ?
A R estate th a t , p le a se .
Q The fa c t that 34 per cen t o f e l l your h ire s are
b la ck and 3 7 per cen t would In d ica te that you hud more than
15 or 17 or 18 per cent b la ck s on the r o l l ?
A No, s i r .
THE COURT: Ladies and gentlem en, p lease go bad
t o your room ju s t a moment, p le a se . Would you r e t ir e
to your room.
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courtroom and the fo llo w in g proceedings were had in
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Tiiii COURT: What you asked the w itness was, Ur.
Marsh, was that d o e s n 't that in d ica te that the people
that the fig u re s you have given in d ica te s you have rnorty
b lacks on the r o l l , and your e x h ib it la put in — the
in fe re n ce , sea I com pletely o f f base on that?
MR. MARSH: No. I th ink we are probably saying
the same th in g .
THE COdTf: Ilo, we azre n o t. The qu estion you
asked the w itness was that does i t not in d ica te th ere
are store b la ck people on the r o l l than you have Indies
What i t in d ica te s i s that the b la ck turnover i s greate|:
which the w itness has sa id at le a s t tw ice , once back
in chambers yesterday , and you asked him Ju st a few
minutes ago i f the b la ck turnover ra te s were not tw ice
the w hite and he sa id p o s s ib ly . Is that r ig h t?
MR. MARSH: Yes.
THE COURT: Get the ju r y , p le a se .
MR. HOBBS: Your Honor, when they took the
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HR. HOBBS: He sa id i t Look f iv e hours.
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EY MR. MARSH:
Q Hr. Goggin, I b e lie v e you were in cou rt when the:
number o f forma o r the names o f the forms th at were l i s t e d
on the company's in te rro g a to r ie s ware read fo r your convenic
1 am handing you a copy o f the answer to 12. Would you loolj.
that o v er . Are those the forms that the company has? Are
those a l l the form3 that the company have w ith that informat
on i t ?
MR. ALEXANDER: 1 o b je c t to any o f t h is , your
Honor. There i s nothing that — there cou ld be nothir
about th is —
TIES COURT: \1hat Is the re levan ce? Please state
the re levan ce o f the q u estion .
MR. MARSH: Your Honor, uc iiave a card here whiv.
has a l l o f the in form ation on i t that we ’Ot fren 1 ivrt
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In te rro g a to r ie s , your Honor.
THE COURT: Let him go cn and ex p la in th is ic.ru .
BY MR. MARSH:
E xh ib it 4 , which i s Itr. Moss' personnel f o ld e r . Do you
recogn ize that to bo one o f the forms re g u la r ly used by the
company?
that is contained on the r e -r a t in g form , employment form ,
a p p lica t io n fo r a — i s a l l that in form ation put on that one
fo ra ?
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t e l l s who hi3 su perv isor i s , i t t e l l s the ra te ;rom the o ld
ra te to a new r a t e , and that i s a p ro p o sa l. I t a ls o has
r^*m»nts. I t has a ra tin g or ev a lu a tion , i f yo i w i l l . I t
would have h is absenteeism , absen tees. The a p p lica t io n i’ora
does not show ra ce . Tlie employment fo ra —
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A Yea, I do .
Q Does that form con ta in a l l o f the Inform ation7
q what i s on those other forma that i s not l i s t e d
on th at form?
A The r e -r a te form l i s t s the jo b the man d oes , i t
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Q Y es, and the race on that ca rd .
A I v:as try in g to exp la in to you , s i r . I t i s not
chi the a p p lica t io n form , i t i s on the employment fo r a .
Q There i s a vh o le l o t o f th ings in that ca teg ory
1 vant you to rone the th in g .
A That was on r e -r a t e s .
q Y es, s i r .
A , Okay. On the a p p lica t io n form .
Q I d o n 't want you t o do i t by each in d iv id u a l fo r
I am speaking o f a l l the forms tog e th er .
A I have to look a t them. Let me look a t them.
HR. ALEXANDER: I o b je c t . This i s the second
tim e. The document w i l l speak fo r i t s e l f . I w asn 't
going Id , but the document speaks fo r i t s e l f . I ob ject
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THE COURT: I am going t o l e t i t go on.
MR. ALEXANDER: I d o n 't cee what on earth i t ha^
to do w ith th is ca se . I d o n 't see any re levan ce t o ij:
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Q I haven’ t gotten to th a t.
A This card as in terp re ted i s l i s t e d as an employe.::
re cord which is l is t e d in 12,
Q That i s l i s t e d in 12 as tho employment record ?
A That would be my understanding o f i t . I do not
make these up. That would be my understanding.
THE COURT: Unless you have in form a tion . I am
going to stop i t r ig h t now.
MR. MARSH: That is a l l r ig h t , he answered my
q u estion .
THE COURT: He sa id i t was in th ere . Do you havft
any inform ation that i t i s not?
MR. MARSH: I d id not know i t was t i e employment
re co rd .
THE COURT: P lease d isregard th is whole qu estion
and answer, la d ie s and gentlemon.
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cad requirem ents o i a j o b . I t docs not uuasurc p eop le . A
wage stru ctu re i s a pay method. A jo b eva lu ation i s a :etho<
o f eva lu atin g a Job* not a person .
Q On p l a i n t i f f 's E xh ib it 1 , bes id e each ca tegory
p o in ts there i s a s p e c i f i c f ig u r e . That i s an e x h ib it "which
has what you say is your wage s tru ctu re . My qu estion i s —
A Could I see?
Q Y es. Example A i s from 0 . t o 6 .
A , Y es.
q And over the righ t-h an d column is a f ig u re showiji
the amount o f money.
A R igh t.
Q That would go along w ith th at?
A That would be a maximum.
Q When there is a general in crea se or any kind o f
in crease that changes that wage s tru c tu re , do ycu, in changif
the f ig u r e , do you change the p o in t o r do you cl ange that
in any re sp e ct?
A Thi3 part o f the form is your wage grade, A
through Q. The second are the p o in ts zero to s x , seven to
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T n ere iore , i t you liau zero to bjlx po-uic- *«. cue pxwsciu. *,j— .
your luaximuia are $ 1 .7 o . I f you change your wag* s tru ctu re ,
l e t 's say that you increase i t ten c e n ts , your Maximum wouic
become $1 .£3 . Your p o in ts would s t i l l be zero i o 3 ix fo r
the jo b s that f a l l in wage grade A zero t o s i x .
Q Thank you. 1 b e lie v e you mentioned that there
were 15 interm ediate superintendents?
A No, I b e lie v e I sa id there were approxim ately ,
probably 15 lead men or u nderstu d ies, I b e lie v e that vaa you
q u estion .
Q Theto are people who are above the normal rank
o f em ployee, but who are not foreman?
A You say above the normal rank in whit way?
Q Normal em ployee.
A Y e t, these are normal em ployees. They perform
some d u ties o th er than what a normal employee would perform
a t tim es.
Q W ell, i s I t a fa c t that most o f th e :e were made
Interm ediate employees w ith in the past s ix oont is?
A No, s i r .
Q How long have you had 15 —
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yesterday . To learn t o , i t you w i l l , t i l l in i i a 8 Upervrs»c|ir
i s ou t s i c k , or to tahe over for a router. And you have a
good rou ter nan. A good rou ter nan can ho a good lead ixin.
He can help three otlner people w ith th e ir setups or sotnc o il
part o f operating th e ir r o u te rs . We th ink he la a good nan
a lead man, i f you w i l l .
Q You are saying that as o f a year a go , say you
had 15 b lack s in th is p a r t icu la r ca tegory?
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estim ate I t and that is approxim ately. I d o n 't know the
number.
Q Have these department numbers changed s in ce 1965
A Which department numbers? You are assuming —
Q Your e x h ib its have c e r ta in departments on them
and sev era l o f your e x h ib its have department numbers on then
by numbers and have these numbers changed in any o f your
departments s in ce 1965?
A Y es. We tiave separated from one de *artment and
broke i t in to tvo departm ents, f o r instan ce • - s th is vliat
you naan?
Q I am try in g to fin d out how th is w a> r e f le c te d
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i.«*own on Lneso ciaixoixa wuuxu no nuuwork tuac u x i^ u u
crim in a lly aay in 1063 and not the numbers that e x is te d ,
that a rc in e f f e c t now?
A Any s p e c i f i c e x h ib it?
Q W ell, a l l o f them have the departments on theca,
liave departiuent numbers on tlieo f o r d i f fe r e n t years .
E xh ib it 10.
A E xh ib it 10 shows the departments that e x is te d
a t the time these people were h ire d , August o f 1965, You
w i l l n o tice the change in August o f 1966 there are d i f fe r e n t
department numbers th ere . Some o f those numbers w ere, some
o f those departments were re-numbered. In 1967 you w i l l
see q u ite a few same departm ents, and you w i l l see some that
have changed.
Q These qu estion s are merely in the In te re st o f tin
accuracy o f the e x h ib it . I f a p a r t icu la r department changed,
how would th is be r e f le c t e d — i s there a code c r something
that we can t e l l which departments merged and w tich ones
separated?
A I d o n 't know o f any that merged. This was an
accounting change to id e n t ify the departments ar J in .*a
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Mil. MARSH: I have no more q u e s t io n :, your lionca .
REDIRECT EXAMDIATION
BY MR. ALEXAHDHR:
Q Mr. Gog&in, on the exhibit reflecting this you
chow 5,559 r e -r a t e s , i s that right?
A Yes.
Q , And were these on p ie ces o f paper?
A Individual pieces of paper,
Q Were those documents made a v a ila b le to these
gentlemen here at the ta b le , p l a i n t i f f 's lawyer::?
A Y es, s i r .
Q Did they go over them w ith a number o f h elpers
fo r sev era l days?
A Y es, s i r .
Q How many h elpers d id they have?
A At times there were s ix working w it i the le a s t
persons.
Q Did they have copying machines w ith the->V
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during the month?
A Yes, s i r .
Q would there be any p o s s ib le e f f e c t cn that oxhib
your taking the end o f the month p a y ro ll t o g e t your average
f o r com parison, o ilier than t o the exten t th at the people who
l e f t during that month changed from white t o b la ck o r v ic e
versa?
A , Ho, s i r .
q For every c a s e , where you lo s e a b lt c k em ployee,
i f that employee was rep laced by a Hack em ployee, would i t
a f f e c t the percentage on that e x h ib it in any way?
A Ho, s i r .
Q Would those percentages change very dra m a tica lly
in any way as a normal th ing?
know what l i s t i t was that you sa id was in A l t a / i s t a , did
you g iv e him that l i s t as soon as you learned i t was in
A lta v is ta ?
A No.
Q The l i s t t o which Hr. Marsh r e fe r r e d , and I don1!;
A I did
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c a l l s a w itness has the last: word with the w itness?
in . MARSH: Yes. He can get one tno :e word.
RiiCROSS EXAIilllATICIl
BY 121. MARSII:
Q Mr. Goggin, would you shew me on here tho
employment record you are ta lk in g about.
A Employment re co rd , th at Is vliat I would take i t
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Q Is that part o f the a p p lica t io n ?
MR. ALEXANDER: I o b je c t to th a t , lie t o ld him
not to ask any more q u estion s about th a t .
THE COURT: Do you have any in form ation?
MR. MARSH: Yes, s i r , I th ink Mr. Goggin —
THE COURT: I say do you have any Inform ation —
MR. MARSII: Y es, we do.
THE COURT: The answer was not c o r r i c t ?
MR. MARSH: Yes.
THE COURT: You may con tin u e .
A I am s o r ry , I have not seen th is irform ation
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A Should I look on ly a t No. 12, i s that what you
asked me to do? I do not see in No. 12 anything that I woul
in te rp re t to bo th is employment ca rd .
IiT MU. MARSH:
Q Tho on ly other qu estion I have, does th is card
con ta in in form ation that is on sev era l o f the oth er ca rd s ,
i t con ta in s a com pilation that Is on the r e -r a t in g form ,
the employment form end the a p p lica t io n form?
A Docs th is card — excuse me, would you ask me —
Q That i s a l l r ig h t . I th ink the card speaks f o r
i t s e l f . No more q u estion s .
THE COURT: I want you to answer a q u e s t io n . I s
i t in a l l the f i l e s ? That i s why I l e t you s t a r t .
SY MR. MARSH:
Q I s t i l ls In a l l the f i l e s , a l l the eeployinent
fo ld e r s ?
A No, s i r .
Q Not th is p a r t icu la r ca rd , i s there a cerd l ik e
th is in a l l your employment fo ld e r s ?
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MR, HARSH: I d o n 't remember th a t .
MR, MARSH: I t would be in a l l the fortaer
employees —
THE COURT: L e t 's g e t a lon g . We are rehashing.
M l. ALEXANDER: I have no fu rth er q u e s t io n s .
MR. HARSli: No fu rth er q u estion s .
THE COURT: Ladies and gentlem en, the testLmony
concern ing th is p a r t icu la r ca rd , whether c r not i t was
in answer to qu estion 12, I in s tru c t you to d isregard
th a t , 1 in s tru c t you t o d isregard the co llo q u y betwe
the Court and the w itn ess , Mr, Alexander and Mr, Marsh
Ju st com plete ly — i t i s gone. A l l r ig h t .
LUKE CRUM
having been duly sworn, wa3 examined and t e s t i f i e d as fo llo w
DIRECT EXAMINATION
r‘Y ;n . ALEXANDER:
THE WITNESS: Yes.
(W itness excu sed .)
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WooL La your jo b ?
Foreman, sanding room.
What company?
Lana Company.
He™ long have you been a foreman In the sanding
I t w i l l be two years In June.
, Wli3t d id you do b e fo re that?
Was a n ight foreman.
What department?
W ell, o v e r a ll p lant included a l l the groups.
You were in charge o f the n igh t opera tion ?
Wight op era tion .
How long d id you hold that Job?
Approxim ately f i v e years and a h a lf .
VJere you there a l l the time that Fred Moss was
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Hava you sent — l e t 's r e s t r i c t there questions
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Q Could you g iv e us the general range ofbreakdown
between b la ck and w h ite , two out o f th ree , one cu t o f ten ,
what have you?
A At n ight tim e?
Q Yes.
A At n ight t in e ?
Q Yea.
A , I t wa$ probably more c lo s e to s ix out o f te n .
Q S ix ou t o f ten which way?
A B lack em ployees.
Q A l l r ig h t .
A White employees probably be fou r w hite employees
s ix w hite em ployees, fou r b la ck employees out o f ten .
Q A l l r ig h t . Did i t range around that r a t io a l l
those years that you were on n igh t?
A The la s t part i t cou ld have dropped. The producf
load came down.
Q Was th is a f t e r Moss l e f t ?
A A fte r he l e f t .
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A I wa*.
Q Vverc you in stru cted by , that irota title to
tim e?
A In stru cted t o t r e a t everyone f a i r a*d equ a l,
everyone that is b la ck and w h ite .
Q At any time have you taken any a c t io n aga in st
a b la ck crrployce that would not be ta ’x n aga in st a w hite
employee under s im ila r circum stance?
A I never,
Q , When I Iocs cane there what d id you say to him?
A I hod a ta lk w ith Moss the f i r s t t in e he was
th e re . I u su a lly have that w ith b lack and w h ita , new
em ployees. And I expla ined to him that h is raca d id not
have anything t o do w ith learn in g the jo b o r tha jo b he
wanted or the jo b that he was su ited f o r . I t d id n 't have
anything to do w ith how high he cou ld go in that jo b .
Q Did he t e l l you what work he wonted t o do in
that p lan t?
A Y es, he wanted to be a Machine op era tor .
Q What a c t io n did you take as a r e s u lt o f h is
saying he wanted to be a nachine opera tor?
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Q How d id Hoss progress in the f i r s t sev era l monthi
l e t ' s cay in 1955?
A He progressed f a s t , above average.
Q Did you take any a c t io n on that account?
A Take any a c tio n ?
Q , About h is pay.
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A About h is pay? I d id .
Q , What aid you do?
A I g o t h is m erit ra tin g fo r him.
Q When d id you g e t that?
A W ell, i t was about the normal tim e, what u su a lly
happened was th a t , as they p rog ressed .—
Q Was I t in 1965?
A 1965.
Q Wlien you got h is m erit r a is e f o r hi* , d id you
say anything t o him about i t ?
A I alv’ays d o . I never sk ip th a t , t in t is one thii
U sta lly g o , as soon as i t is p o s s ib le when I r e ce iv e i t ,
when I have the chance so I can say a word w ith the person
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usually try to explain to him whether i t is going to ca.au ouji
on this next payday or not or h a lf. A lo t o f times they
get confused. They w ill get a pay ra ise . I t w ill only be
one week. I t w ill coma out on their ne:;t check. So i f you
don't watch, i f you don't explain It to them, they w ill cocao
back to you at the end of the pay and they w ill approach you
with their stub, they are short-changed, because they think
they should have the whole pay.
Q Did you t e l l Moss about his merit increase?
A I did.
Q In January did you turn a machine o /er to Moss?
A Vcs, I turned the gang rip over to him.
q Just a minute, Hr. Crum. I don't want to
interrupt, but we are a l l tired and I want to save time.
Did you give him a machine?
A I gave him a machine.
Q What machine?
A Gang ripsaw.
Q Did you give him a helper?
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used him on the Ler.sn machine.
Q What d id iu± do?
A He fed these tiacliincs.
Q Whet d id tie do on the tenon machine'; Did anyth!
Lappen w hile ha was operating the tenon rsachine?
A Many a tin e he has l e t s t ic k s g e t in to the chain
and pu lled the machine ou t o f l in e .
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Q Did you say anything to him about i t ?
A , Y es, i expla ined to him how to keep from that
happening, the b es t I co u ld , and what i t c o s t us when th ings
l ik e that happened.
Q Did he do i t any more a ft e r you ta lk ed to him?
A Many tim o3.
Q Why would an employee do th at?
A W ell, i t cou ld happen sometimes as an a cc id e n t ,
but rep ea ted ly i t would Just be ca re le ssn e ss .
Q What about h is work a ft e r you put hint on the
ripsaw in charge o f i t and gave him a h e lp e r , v ia t happened
x ;i:h resp ect to h is production?
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A I xuIgj . i-j->j i cur producti-cu i s etc>piiig down
low and a l l th is shows up on us. And we Imve to plan out
Botac way to bring i t u p ." Things l ik e tlxat. de would cay
"w e ll , 1 am doing a l l I c a n ."
I s a id , "You have done b e t te r than th is in the
p a st . I don ’ t see why ve c a n 't go back to i t and keep i t
u p ."
Q Were there times during the f i r s t s ix months o f
1966 when you had con versation s w ith hira about h is p rod u ctio
in con n ection w ith whether he cou ld be ra ised or not?
A We had these con versation s about that and ho
asked f o r , asked mo fo r a r a is e , which is p e r fe c t ly a i l r igh
And I would ex p la in to him that we would get tha ra is e s when
the production went up.
Q Did the production cocve up?
A Ho, i t d id n 't coma up. Maybe sotae lig h ts he
would do very w e ll and i t would drop back . The production
the e f f i c i e n c y is r.wrc or le s s based on a weckl / th in g . A
superv isor t r ie s to keep i t on a weekly th in g , decease you
don ’ t expect c w r y n ight th ings can happen.
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lie would go av«.iy from i t and lea .'O *»vS mach .,k renr*.;.,<g,
and in making my rounds on occas io n , I found th is s itu a t io n ,
and I would approach hiat about th a t , about the uJuau he vwa
lcrw, why he uus away from h is j o b . Of co u rse , he always had
the excuse that: he wa3 look in g fo r h is m a ter ia l, what lie
was going to run n ext, or what was coming up. I would alway
in s tru c t h ia that that was my r e s p o n s ib i l i t y , that I would
fin d that out f o r him, and he would be a t h is machine.
I wou/d go back on the machine. "P lease don*t
leave ymrmachine running. I t i s a dangerous tilin g . Maybo
not hurt you, but i t can hurt oth er people i f something
happened to the machine w hile you are g o re , no one to cu t i t
o f f . " That Is again company p o l i c y .
Q A l l r ig h t . Did he improve?
A Ho, lie d ldn *t improve.
Q At the same time was there any d iscu ss io n w ith
him about whctJ>er he would continue on that jo b or go t o
another Job?
A I Lried to encourage him on o cca s io n s .
Q Ho, w ait a minute, Mr. Crum, i t Is ‘ oo Into at
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A Y es, on o cca s ion he ashed ice to r a tr a n s fe r •
q T ransfer t o what?
A Ho wanted to be a planer g r in d er .
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Mr. H ale, we c a l le d him Itr. H ale, W-ulsie H ale.
How long has Mr. Hale been on that jo b ?
He had been on i t — was grin d in g planers vlien
th ere , sometimes.
Is he s t i l l there today?
He is s t i l l there today, s t i l l doin :; the same
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A I sa id we d id n ’ t have an opening fo r i t . We
was on ly allow ed the one planer g rin d er .
What did he say?
A He would t e l l me that Hr. Hale was »oing t o qu it
I exp la ined t o him I hadn 't heard anything about i t . One
time he pinned me down w ith i t and s a id , “You f j ask him
y o u rse lf i f he is not going to q u i t .1'
I s a id , “Moss, don’ t go around aa’.d .g ny y.v.ylr*
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A Dover asueo too.
Q Did tie ever auk you fo r anyi-.JLng oti.er tioin ;ir .
H o le 's —
A Mr. H o le 's jo b is the on ly tra n s fe r he e v er .
Q R einto these con versation s ashing you fo r Ur.
I la le 's jo b to the time. whan h is produ ction was low arid you
found hint away from h is machine. Was i t b e fo re or a f t e r or
during?
A I t was a ft e r he began to want the Job Mr. Hale
had.
Q Was he low production?
A When h is production began to f a l l the worse and
when he began to be ca re le s s about h is machine.
Q On the n ight o f h is d isch a rge , t e l l us what
happened beginning a t the time you put hits on the drum sande^
A I can renember i t \xxs la te up in the n ig h t. I
load th is b i l l o f m ateria l that I had to need ve ry much to
g o t out b e fo re the next morning because they needed i t , the
day s h i f t needed i t . I t had more opera tion s to be done* to
i t . I took him to th is drum sender end I s ta r Lee him to vorlfc
on the p ieces which was a sim ple op era tion and p la ined to
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Q VJhnt tixae was on the t ic k e t? liaybe I was
d is t r i c t e d , Maybe you sa id i t . Hoc? much time *m the tick e t
to do the Job?
A I p ic iced up tlie shop order and I looked a t the
t ic k e t and i t had 35 minutes to have i t dona in . I explalnc
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Q Go ahead.
A , liad 35 minutes to g e t the jo b done. I s a id ,
"H ere, you are taking too lon g . We have g o t to get th is dor
I said* "Come on , you can do b e tte r than t h a t ."
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on away. I went my rounds and the n est time I happened bacl
b y , I d id n 't see h ia . I thought about i t aga in . I t was on
ay mind and I tainted i t o u t. I went back to where he was at
vxhere he had been , and he wa3 nowhere to be fou id . I t liad
been approxim ately twenty n inutes I had been gene that time
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cite r e s t room where I thought he would be o r should b e , i f
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Q Was uae cab in et rouat
A Nob in operation a t a i l ,
Q Was there any way fo r ilia to know that i t
unauthorised te r r ito r y ?
A Yes, because we never, we very seldom ever done
any work in that department, the n ight s h i f t , an l i t was
unauthorized. There cou ld be a f i r e , someone g e t in there
and smoke and they were in stru cted —
q Were they to ld to stay out?
A Stay out o f that and the f in is h in g room were the
two p la ces that they were p a r t icu la r ly to ld to stay out becai
that was dangerous, f i r e .
Q What was sa id between you and Moss a t that tiiao?
A W ell, I approached him then, I s a le , " I t looks
l ik e , Fred, that you are not going to oaka i t h e r e ." I 3aid
"Your production keeps dropping o f f and you ou st not be happ
h e r e ." I s a id , "How about you taking two weeks pay on U«s
p a y ro ll and fin d you another jo b where you w i l l be happy?"
T sa id . "In the oeontieie I w i l l not fo u l your record up so
someday you taay want to cone back and work fo r The Lana
Company again , /aid you could be a good nan, i f you waited
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He “ you 're rrriaig , t iut 'b y u t *»--
h is v o ice in a loud manner.
I s a id , 'V o , Fred, I d o n 't look at i t that way,
:t aa ju s t g iv in g you & ch a n ce ."
The more we talked about i t , that iu a l l I could
g e t . "you are f i r in g tae," in a loud v o ic e .
And f in a l ly I sa id , 'V e i l , Fred, i f that i s the
way you look at i t , that is a l l I can d o ."
q Now a ft e r he l e f t th ere , did you end up w ith
fewer blacks in your department than you had b e fore he l e f t l
A I c a n 't r e c a l l r ig h t — not r ig h t a t that tim e,
but: la te r I did because the fo rce drooped, production dropp<
q When la te r d id the fo r c e drop?
A I t was cocaetirae a ft e r Fred l e f t that the fo r c e
dropped.
q Was there any connection between Fred leav ing
and the number o f b lacks btfing reduced in your operation?
A No, wo s t i l l h ired the same way, i l wo needed
<-xonnle. We Utr.t h ired the person that come alt ng, as fa r * »
as any more, unusual turnover.
Q Mr. Crum, d id h is race have cnythi: z to do vdthj
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Q I ic-r^oe one cjuestiou . iir . Crum, d id you rAxst
re ce iv e any n o tice a t a l l that Fred Moss iiad f i l e d a cii^r^e
w ith the EEOC? I d o n 't need to Isnow the exact date .
A I d o n 't know the exact d a te , but i t was much
la t e r .
Q Much la te r than that?
A A fte r he was term inated, a fte r he was gone.
MR. ALEXANDER: A l l r ig h t .
CROSS EXAMINATION
BY MR. GOLDSTEIN:
Q A drum sander ia a d i f f i c u l t machine to opera te ,
i s n 't i t ?
A I t is a very sim ple opera tion to operate ,
Q Is the drum sander in the sanding department?
A I t is in the sanding department.
Q Do you know the tech n ica l name fo r lie machine
or the name that would be l is t e d under the cotap n y 's departs
e n t it le d sanding?
A The department number?
Q Net the department number, the name c f the jo b ,
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Moss about the u i i i i c u i t y or t»:a jc u a t a i i . i t lieu
nothing to do with the case and we are ju s t going orx
in to something that is ir r e le v a n t .
Tills COinrT: Go ahead, ask the q u estion . There
hasn’ t been any — Mr. Moss d id n ’ t say the Job was
d i f f i c u l t . Is tiie question designed t o prove that th i$
was a hard machine to operate?
MR. GOLDSTEIN: Let me ask a couple more question
and maybe I w i l l show the re levan cy .
THE COURT: A ll r ig h t .
LY MR. GOLDSTEIN:
Q Is the d i f f i c u l t y o f the machine ta lon in to
account when you determine whether somebody i s making
production?
A Making production? The d i f f i c u l t y o f the machini:
A man is never expected to make f u l l production on anything
u n t il he is experienced w ith that machine enough.
Q Is fir . Moss experienced v;ith th is a ch ine?
A No, he was n ot, not what you c a l l a rea l
experienced man w ith the machine, but being a s xrplc cparati||
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se c t io n o f the plant v.hich i s the gang ripsaws ind the
tenoning machine and panel s iz e r s .
Q This was a d if fe r e n t — th is was in an area oper
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Q Mr. Crum, do you remember having your d ep osit ion
taken on February/1 G o f th is year?
A In February, yes .
Q I aa r e fe r r in g to page 259, l in e 6 . To save a
l i t t l e tim e, the helper is Mr. A rrington . You w eren 't sure
o f h is f i r s t name. The qu estion is on l in e 22 o f page 253:
"Are you sure that the f i r s t name was Maynard?
"Answer: I w ouldn 't be sure about the f i r s t runra
I w ou ldn 't bo fo r sure about the f i r s t name.
'•Question: Was he white o r iia ck ?
"Answer; White.
"Q uestion: Do you r e c a l l when he came in to yoinj
su pervision ?
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cue panel tixzOjL he could go Witli i t Luc
lam ed out i t wasn’ t the suae typo o f operation or maybe
the sacse type o f machine. And so I found him L »is other jo t
that was equ a lly Important as that which i s t a i l in g th is
panel flow . I t ca lle d fo r a l i t t l e more e x p e r t2nce and a
l i t t l e more o f a nan in sp ectin g q u a lity than ths average
person that you ju s t cocae in and h ir e , you know, and put a t
to working th is machine. In other words, i t had t o be gluc<
r ig h t . I f he d idn ’ t , you had to r e je c t i t . Yen cou ldn ’ t
l e t i t go r ig h t on, you sec,because i t would be taken back
end rew orked.”
Do you remember saying that?
A Yes, s i r .
Q Do you remember Hr. A rrin gton ’ s f i r s t name now?
A Ho, I s t i l l don’ t have h is f i r s t name fo r su re .
Q He cas»e in a t an in i t i a l pay ra te c f 15 cen ts
rsore than the p la in t i f f Fred Moss, d id n ’ t ho?
A I don ’ t r e c a l l . I t has been to o ) ong ago.
THE CCTJ.IT: I f we arc going to get in to these
in d iv id u a l c o s e s , we are going to open up a whole b ig
ba?’ 'Ct o r ’ ’ o rm .
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1 have tr ie d to be as eq u ita b le about i t as I
can . I know n either s ide agrees w ith rae v h o l ly , but
n evertheless you see vhat we are opening up.
MR. GOLDSTEIN: I an try in g to be as qu ick as I
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THE COURT; I w i l l l e t you ask the q u estion , i f
you want t o , and cut you o f f on ray own m otion . At the
p o in t Mr. Alexander nay then introduce one o f thoco
forms which I have excluded , and fo r ever} other one
that you ask about on the same l in e , 1 w i l l l e t him
introduce another one.
DY MR. GOLDSTEIN:
Q Do you r e c a l l i f you got a premium i ate because
he was an experienced man?
A An experienced man, he would have gc t more than
r person who vaa not experienced , but vhat he gu t, I can ’ t
r e c a l l th is , i t is too many years aco*
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t o t a i l t ills ether machine that I had. I needed a men that
could look at tlie q u a lity o f the work th at was coming ou t,
Q I s n 't i t true that Mr. A rrington wa: n*t ab le to
handle the panel s iz e r ?
A Ko, lie could handle the panel s iz e r , he cou ld
run the panel s iz e r . In f a c t , he cou ld run i t a w h ile .
Q Maybe I am m isreading what you are saying h ere .
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w asn 't the sane type o f operation or maybe the name type
o f machine. And so I found him th is other jo b chat was
equ a lly important as that . •
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that he cou ld do the j o b , but s t i l l I needed an experienced
man l ik e him lo r th is other jo b . I t was very i iportant.
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o f panel s iz e operator as equal to that o f the t a i lo r on the
panel flow ?
A At that tim e, that was ju s t as important a jo b
fo r ae as the panel s iz e r .
Q I w i l l ask you, Mr, Crum, i£ you e q ia te the
d i f f i c u l t y o f the two?
MR. ALEXANDER: I o b je c t . I t has no bea rin ';.
THE COURT i Overruled.
THE WITNESS: The qu estion again .
MR. GOLDSTEIN: Would you read the q u estion .
. . . Question read . . .
BY MR. GOLDSTEIN:
Q Mr. Crum, you are the superv isor o t the n ight
s h i f t , is that true?
A I wa3 a foreman fo r the night s h i f t .
Q Could you tra n sfer sosieono w ith in j vur s h i f t
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Q I s n 't i t a fa c t , Hr. Crum, th at the panel s iz e r
operator i s valued much higher than the t a l l e r on the panel
flow by the company?
A I d o n 't r e a l ly know what the ra te i s f o r the
t a l le r and panel flo w , I c o u ld n 't sa y . But in th is particul^i
th ing where we was working short o f su p erv isors , I used a
l o t o f lead men on severa l d if fe r e n t jo b 3 . That was because
I d id n 't have the supervisors that they have in day time and
I p laced experienced men in p laces where they cou ld help me,
go I had the whole p lant to t r a v e l .
Q I f you h ired someone w ith the knowl :dgc that he
was experienced and he w asn 't able to handle the machine,
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production was needed.
Q There was no need f o r an approval by a general
foreman?
A Ho.
Q D id n 't Hr. Moss approach you about a tra n sfe r
or prom otion to another jo b ?
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Q , How vbuld a worker fin d out about on opening in
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Ml. AIJSCANDER: I o b je c t to th a t . I t i s in the
record again and again . We h aven 't con tested i t . We
make no con tention that th e ir jo b —
THE COURT: Co ahead, lie is the foreman, Hrs.
G reiner, p lease read the q u estion .
. . . Question read . . .
THE COURT: Please answer the quest on.
A The foreman would l e t i t be known 1 the opening
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f i l l the p la ce . You always try to f i l l out o f our own
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A Not n e ce ssa r ily , I wouldn’ t do th a t, hut I would
l ik e ly prospects that I thought, I keep up w ith ay p eop le ,
try t o , to help thou.
Q You would go up to in d iv id u a ls and a ;k then i f
they were in terested ?
A With the l ik e o f p rosp ects , accord in g to the
c?::perience they had or I thought they had, 1 would evaluate
them in that ca tegory , I would th ink ,
Q Did workers a ls o fin d out about openings fran
\ hat we can c a l l p lant ta lk?
A W ell, you can hear a l o t o f th ings iro n p lant
ta lk . Sometimes i t is true and sonetiraa i t i s n ot.
Q So what Hr. Moss heard could have bean true and
could not have been true?
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tru e . I stated on severa l occasion s to Hr. Most that I didn
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already had. And fo r the f i r s t s i s monta3 he was w e ll
s a t is f ie d with the jo b s , w ith the jo b s that he had, end vac
a good person with them.
Q Did you not think that when he was raking you to
that planer g rin d er , vliat he was wanting was anotixer pronocij
MR. AL'XR©ER: O b jection .
TIE COURT: Is itbased on anything in any
d ep osition ?
HR. GOLDSTEIN: No, your honor.
THE COURT: Sustained.
BY MR. GOLDSTEIN:
Q Mr. Crum, i f a worker wants to tra n s fe r from your
department to another departm ent,cbean*t he s t i l l come and
ta lk to you as h is foreman?
A Yes, he would probably approach me ind ask about
i t .
q Tnn*t that the normal procedure?
A W ell, y es , i t cou ld be dono that way.
Q Didn’ t you have a large turnover rc ‘:c in rJght
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p eop le working at n ight on su H ts I xioj U iat.
Q L e t 's bo raore s p e c i f i c when you say i t was r ir ty
per cent o f your n ight fo r c e , would they change in the couraft
o f a year?
A 1 d o n 't have thorn re co rd s , I c o u ld n 't say th a t,
the number.
Q Mr. Crura, i s n 't the recccraendation o f the iorciaa^
the most important con sid era tion in wIk ther an employee gets
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A ’ V e i l , I guess you cou ld con sid er i t as being
the most important ste p , because that 1ft where i t has g o t to
s ta r t from.
Q Mr, Crum, I am d ire c t in g your a tte n tio n to page
l in e 10 in your dept, j i t ion : "When you make your tec ocracndatlj^
fo r a r e -r a t in g o f an em ployee, are these recommendations
u sually approved?
"Answer: T hey 're u su a lly approved. '
"Q uestion; Can you remember one th it was rejeetjj:
"Anr-jpT* Offhnnd, n o ."
Co you rez:enber making that statovic.a ll
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end o ffh a n d , I ca n 't r e c a l l ever having, but I try to malic
them r ig h t b e fore I turn than in , I don ’ t ju s t f lo o d them
in , A man lias to m erit them before he get3 then.
THE COURT: Are you about through?
MR, GOLDSTEIN: A few more q u estion s , your Honor
2Y MR. GOLDSTEIN;
Q Mr, Crura, d ir e c t in g your a tten tion to page 209,
l in e 21: "Q uestion: When do you norm ally r e -r ite somebody'
’ ’Answer; When I see tliat h e ’ s fu l ly q u a li f ie d
and meeting h is production schedule,
"Q uestion: Arc there any other con sid era tion s
in r e -r a t in g an employee?
"Answer: Ilia q u a li f ic a t io n s , h is production anti
hi3 q u a lity would enter i n , "
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Q la i t a c o r r e c t statement?
A I t is a co rre ct stata-tent. I coult errnand cn
Q Mr. Crura, are t lie re any written records o f an
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trou b le or n ot. Of cou rse , then I would run spet checks on
that machine during that s h i f t or maybe f o r sev era l days
in order to try to ccxae up w ith the trou b le w ith the machine,
why i t w asn 't producing.
q Hr. Crum, hew many workers worked urder you d u r i 'j
the time Mr. Moss was employed at The Lana Company?
A I t was approxim ately a t that time B ix ty p eop le .
Q Did you keep the records o f production o f these
s ix t y people in your head, Mr. Crum?
A In my head? Ko, o f course n o t. I have a knoulei:
o f the people aud the e f f i c ie n c y would be kept l ik e I made
the statem ent. I f a machine was in tro u b le , o f cou rse , I
would run checks on i t . The e f f i c ie n c y fo r the n ight shews
up on the day uk.ie e f f i c ie n c y re co rd . And, o f cou rse , i f
the machine was down, was being pu lled down, I cou ld hour
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Q Dixl you have as many employees in a s p e c i f i c
department at night ns you d id during the day?
A Ho.
Q Couldn’ t that a f f e c t the production o f an
employee?
A No, that one machine can s t i l l prodace as much
in an e igh t hour s h i f t a t n ight as i t can in an e ig h t hour
s h i f t in day tim e,
Q Did the employees a t n ight have to do any more
tasks than the day?
A They d o n 't have t o do no more ta sk s, i f you arc
running a machine, i t is the same th in g , day o r n ig h t.
Q I s n 't i t true that sometimes a t n i£ht you didn 't:
have enough people to run a l l the machines, so you had to
a ltern ate people?
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Q C ou ldn 't the ra te o f production o f the o ffb e a rcr
have a f fe c te d that o f the operator?
A No, o f fb c a r e r , he is supposed t o be ab le to talce
the m ateria l o f f a t the nortoal r a te .
Q What i f ha c o u ld n 't keep up, what I f he got t ir e
w ou ldn 't that a f fe c t the ra te o f the operator?
A He is n ’ t supposed to do th a t. In o :h er words,
fie is there fo r a fa i r n ig h t 's work.
Q t o e s n 't i t happen sometimes?
A Fatigue en ters in to i t . I guess a l l p eop le , i t
w on 't go on and on. He w on 't go on and on .
q You d id n 't have any Way o f evaluating whether
the production was operated by the production or o ffb e a re r?
A Yes, I an experienced enough to t e l l .
Q How do you do that?
A Ly observing the machine.
Q Y u are in charge o f the whole p la r t at: ninhfc?
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p a rticu la r operation that i s placed ia '..lz box in V i - w %.• k- V
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card and lo o t a t the card and t e l l v.kat has goni over that
p a rticu la r machine, tluit given tim e.
Q Hr. Crum, approxim ately how many ma :hines were
under your su perv ision during th is time?
A I cou ld n ’ t answer th a t.
Q Was i t numerous?
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Q Were there other operations that you supervised
besides machines?
A A l l these machines wouldn’ t be run at one tim e.
The night s h i f t op era tion , you take your men from p lace to
p la ce . They worked a l l , almost a l l the [machine room, parts
o f the sand room and you move from p lace to p la ce .
Q You had a l o t o f operations to cover in a largo
area , is n ’ t that true?
A A l o t o f op era tion s .
Q A lo t o f op era tion s , l o t o f machines?
A I iuid the s ix ty people to leak a f t e r .
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A No.
Q Mr. Crum, Mr. Moss iiad an e x c e lle n t attendance
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A He d id .
Q Was that unusual a t tha p lant?
A I t was, I wouldn’ t say unusual. I had a l o t o f
other people vtio had good average attendance r e co rd s , but h
was one o f the above average which I appreciated very rauch.
MR. GOLDS72IN: No fu rth er q u estion s .
THE COURT: A ll r ig h t . Any r e d ir e c t?
REDIRECT EXAMINATION
BY MR. ALEXANDER:
Q Could you approve tra n sfers o f employees from
y o jr department to another department, w ithout perm ission
frata above?
A Only on cry own th in g . They w ouldn 't be tra n sfc
to another department. No, I cannot w ithout i t being
approved.
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TIR. COURT: Gentlemen, is Uuit i t ?
MR. ALEXANDER: That is i t .
Tim COURT: Does that conclude your exam ination!
MR. ALEXANDER: I have one p o in t w ith Mr. Goggiti
I am sure.
TIE COURT: Docs that conclude your examination
o f th is w itness?
MR. ALEXANDER: Yes.
THE COURT: You may now take the ch o ice o f thoo<
forms that were excluded and read one to the ju r y .
MR. ALEXANDER: Your Honor, I am not going to
take advantage o f your o f f e r , l ea a fr a id i t would
ju s t open up more d oors .
THE COURT: A l l r ig h t , you may stand down.
MR. ALEXANDER: I would l ik e to r e c a l l Mr. Gogs
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(W itness excu sed .)
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Q l think they might have l e f t one qu estion o t i .
At any time a fte r Fred Moss vent to work a t The Lane Company
and b e fore ho vas d ischarged, d id any opening a r ise in tint*
n ight maintenance g e n e ra lly , apart from H ale, was there any
opening?
A Any opening? Ho, s i r .
Q What happened when LoudermilU. l e f t the s h if t ?
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vaa a transfer o f the day s h i f t maintenance man and a night
s h i f t nuijntenance man fo r th e ir own convenience.
Q Was i t a tra n sfer or did they work i t out
together and say they want to trade s h ift s ?
A They d id w ith th e ir su p erv isor, who was the
same su p erv isor.
Q Were they allowed to trade s h i f t s ?
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. . . Thereupon, cou rt adjourned a t 9:00 p .u . tc
reconvene at 8 :30 a .a . on March 24, 1972 . . .
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IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
FOR THE WESTERN DISTRICT OF VIRGINIA
AT LYNCHBURG
FRED MOSS, JR.
V.
THF LANE COMPANY
C i v i l A c t i o n 6 8 -C -7 2 -R (L)
March 24 , 1972
APPEARANCES:
GEORGE W. HARRIS, J R . , ESQ., Roanoke, V i r g i n i a
HENRY L. MARSH, ESQ., Richmond, V i r g i n i a
PAUL CONRAD GARRETT, ESQ., Richmond, V i r g i n i a
BARRY L. GOLDSTEIN, ESQ., New Y ork , New York
Counsel f o r P l a i n t i f f
S. BOLLING HOBBS, ESQ., Lynchburg , V i r g i n i a
W. BAPNEY ARTHUR, ESQ., A l t a V i s t a , V i r g i n i a
J . W. ALEXANDER, J R . , ESQ., C h a r l o t t e , North C a r o l i n e
BROWN HILL BOSWELL, ESQ., C h a r l o t t e , North C a r o l i n a
Counsel f o r Defendant
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SMCQKD DAY OF TRIAL
March 24, 1972
. Court and Counta1 reconvened at 8 :03 a .n .
on March 24, 1972 when tho fo llow in g p roc coding worn
had la chaoborc. .
THI COURT: On tho record . Thi* notion la on
th . a v ld m et, f l r . c . V . * 1 U g »t u eh . In . true clam,
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**• ALEXANDER: That is what ha la spooking to .
THE COURT: 1 an sorry , I thought you worn
reading In stru ction * . Mr. Hobbs.
H0118: As I sa id , X have had a vary
secondary ro le throughout th is t r ia l . I have neon in
naay d iscrim ination cases , however, I have never been
in one with the exception o f school ceeee that has
been going on fo r eleven years that has extended
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TW COURT: Several lawyers.
I®. HOBBS: And threa judges. 1 n ight
th is Judge.
THE COURT: Don't bother about that.
MR. HOBBS: About gatting us to th is p o in t.
This company has boon involved in th is ease s in ce
December o f I9M when they f i r s t had n o tice o f the
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EIOC complaint- This su it mas started la July o f I
1968 and from that data u n t il aov tha defendant haa
boon ca lle d upon to answer In terrog a tor ie s . The
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p la in t i f f s have on a number o f occasion s had d iscover?
d ep os it ion s ; on two or throe occasions orders have been
entered in which the p a rties were ordered to have
a l l d iscov er? and a l l rsques ts fo r production o f
documents in . The la s t one was la Sept embe r o f 1971
w ithin s lx t? days, and yet the d iscov er? eontinned
r ig h t up u n t il the date o f t r i a l , la s p ite o f a l l
o f that and in sp ite o f very competent coun sel, 1
cannot halp but be struck by the fa c t that tha
p la in t i f f s have c o s^ le te ly fa i le d by tha prapondamaea
o f tha evidence, e ith e r through d iscov er? o r through
the evidence presented here in th is ca se , to prove
in ten tion a l d 1 sc Inina t ion on the pert o f the defendant j
in an? aspact o f th is caso .
I think the preponderance la e n t ire ly the oth er
way. I f va had a ju ry as s n atter o f r ig h t , o f course
we would be asking, making a motion fo r a d im e tad
v e rd ic t . Since th is Is on ly en advisory Jury, we
want to renew with a l l tha v ig or we can, that the
p la in t i f f s as a natter o f law have not ca rried the
burden o f shewing d iscim lnation .
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want to renew our notion o f suaawry jud
o f d ism issal at th is time.
TUI COURT: A ll r ig h t , now, sta te your
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ME. MARSH: Tour Honor, we want to reserve our jj
ob je c tion s to the advisory Jury, i f i t 1* nacaaaary
at th i* stage o f the proceeding*. We would lik e to ask
the Court fo r a judgment,without subm itting the case
to the Jury.
Ve subwlt that th i* notion is baaed on the
fo llow in g grounds:
One, that our evidence ha* c le a r ly
estab lished and ha* not been rebutted that there 1* a
d esp a ir !ty o f treatment between black* and w hite*, and
that the company ha* not shown that these p ra ctice*
were neceaslated fo r the sa fety and e f f i c i e n t conduct
o f th is business. They haven 't net the standards o f
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Lori H ard la showing that, one, the purpose o f the
p ra ctice we* com pelling and, two, that there were no
a ltern a tiv e p o l ic ie s or p re c t le ss which would have
further accoioplished that business. So we think, In
view o f the fa ct that they have not test that standard,
that we should be given s d irected v e rd ic t , w ithout
subm itting the case to the Jury.
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A further ground o f the n otion Is the d is c re t io n
ehleh th is record shove is uncontreverted and »*>t
supervisory personnel o f the eonpeny, «re think because
o f the uncontravertod shoving o f faraven d is c re t io n
and supervisory d is cre tio n and the d isp a rity conse
quences on black employees as a natter o f la v , the
Court should d ire c t e v erd ict for the p la in t i f f .
Thee# are the grounds fo r the s o t lea fo r
a d irected v e rd ic t .
Of course, ve cede our notion fo r a tte rn oy 's
fe e s , which I suspect would be made at the con clu sion ,
u ltim ate conclu sion o f the proceeding, but ve vent to
nake aura the record shove that ve are aeklng fo r
a ttorn ey 's fees and c o s t . Mr. G oldstein has s separate
motion dealing with c o s ts .
m . GOLDS TRIM: Your Honor, the p la in t i f f nakaa
a notion fo r ad d ition a l d iscovery coata fo r e ith e r o f
reasons: (fete, the answers to our in terrogatory
nunber twelve and th irteen did not l i s t the avployvant
record as the enploynent form o f the conpany, which
has the enploynent h istory o f employees, relevant
employee* who have worked at the eonpeny sin ce Ju ly
? , That's s consequence we were forced to
c o l la t e n ataria l from thousands o f foraa ,
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Amomg o th er rM to n t, 1 d o n 't think you have exeerlsed
dun d i l i gence la the prosecution o f the case .
Thn w t lo a e b j t c t la i to any Advisory Jury is
overru led .
Iha notion to admit tho othor ex h ib its which
arc those based so the s t a t i s t i c s which wars wot
coop lo ta i s overru led .
tty d ec is ion o f the ether day i s re in forced by
the defendant's ex h ib its which show, a t le a s t fa r the
year 1*71, i f ny memory d oesn 't f a i l no, that the rate
o f black turnover a t the plant i s app rea ls*te ly a
hundred percent a year. The white turnover oust
be considerably le s s than that. Leaving out a f I t
a p p en d s*te ly f i f t y percent o f the current enpieyees
a t the p lan t, but including in the exh ib its es
• t a t is t ic s fo r a l l o f the enpieyees who had l e f t the
snpley a f the company fa r whatever reason cou ld on ly
lead to these exh ib its being com pletely u n re lia b le .
The nation fo r a d irected v e rd ic t on the
beh a lf o f the p la in t i f f Is overru led , the sn tien
fo r judgment or however i t may be phrased.
MM. I d IRIS; I c e l l the C ou rt 's a tten tion to
one pa in t. Counsel fa r the p la in t i f f in th is aaea
1* appointed counsel. i t le net retained counsel
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counsel At all. It was Appointed by Judge Da it An end
I naked the other Attorneys to assoc Late with a*. 1
would Just like to bring that to the Court's Attention.
THE COURT: A ll r ig h t , that w i l l so ften the
iwpect o f the d ilig en ce business, w on 't that? And I
think I t should, Mr. H arris, qu ite frankly, never
th e le ss , the esse hAs been tr ie d . 1 heve tr ied to get i
i t tr ied tin e end tin e Again, and l haven 't been
su ccessfu l u n til the la st three days.
I w il l g ive yeu an example. On th is computer
business, th is s t u f f f i le d le t e , d iscovered la te
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by yeu all et the tlae the depositions wen* taken.
Instead ef coctiri.; co the Court and saying,
is soune thing we found out about wien those deposition*
were taken, we now want it,” you welt until the tlae
o f the t r ia l and then complain about I t . 1 Just
d on 't conceive that that la the proper way te do
hut 1 Just d on 't think that you have a r igh t
to comm **P ««d complain tha day o f cho t r ia l about
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soaethlng which you could have complained about
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things. I sub not being persennaly c r i t i c a l o f you
MR. MARSH: Tour Honor, way I speak te th at.
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h*“ '“ 1 thlBk “ « *®portant M < .t . V .
in th . In torrogn torln . back la 1948 a l l or
In formation ahlch con ta load chi a ln fo m a tla a . Wa
81da* t ban. about th* coaputar u a t l l cab lag la y a a ltU
•*< « t that t h . I nnuld h ar. b « , coo la ta . w.
had already lo r e , tad day. .a d d .r . o f by ^
ln fa re a tlo o . and i t -on Id hare t » » tre la ta fa r a .
to hav. a r e . uaad t h . c o -p u t .r la fa r e . t i r e . u o l.a a ,
too low . bacauaa re had a 1 toa d , . W r e . t o f th . rert
I » t l l l aay a . .a r e n 't reapm alb la fa r that.
™ C0WT: I f Too had had chat caagutar H a t
o« Fabruarv 2. ar acaathln* l i b . th at, c h i . t r ia l w .
oa March 20. you reu ld hav. had a W C h to rerk » t ch
chat l i c e .
H». MAKSH: Your Boo*r, th* f l r a t v— pam— by
th . d a f a t e t that thay reu ld chlak i t a rer , thlab
o»ar th . raguaat. fran k ly , re bay. b w ___ ^
th . Court fo r a o h o l . l o t . f r e t t . r . ^ ^ cth>j.
C" * * 1 • **»»« that th . oa t tar cauld b . rerk ad
out by th* tin* . .
™ C0UlT: Thm ru lin g o f tha Court ataada. On
account o f Mr. ta rrla* acatareoc. .h ic h I . . . „ t
Of. th* d ilig e n ce busIn* eg 1* eoft*ned. i ju * t
d on 't think you hav* any lega l r igh t to coop la in as
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THK CCUIT : Boar long do you M a t ta argue?
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THS COURT: I an going to stop you, no Laaway
a t a l l . 1 w il l g iro you ana ninuta warning and atop
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IM. AIJtXAHPgR: Tha reason 1 sa id that la that
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COOIT: la th ir ty mi nutes aatlafa ctory ?
to tho aide, p la in t i f f
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UK CflWti Tim p la in t i f f has f i le d In stru ction s
one through seven, and tho Court haa raarrlttoo, haa
tr ia d to g iro tho aubataaca o f one, tuo, thraa and
fou r. The Court d oclia ee to glwa f le a and a la . The
Court haa tr ia d to glwa a areas, tho auhataaco o f aowaa
Tho Court docllnoa to g ive alght and a la o . Banker
o igh t and alao are la to . Ia a d d ition , they do not
atata cha law aa applied to th la caaa, and sh ou ldn 't
ho Included in a charge to tho Jury. Tho Court hod
prev iously supplied the p a rties with cop ies o f
Instru ction s la Cor versus Babcock end lit Icon , and
hove adviced the partiea o f the eubataace o f tho charge,
^ i c h la la rge ly taken fre a the charge la the Can caaa.
The p la in t i f f should s ta te th e ir o b je c t io n to
tho a ction o f tho Court with regard to tho chargee the
p la in t i f f o ffe re d .
You have to o b je c t to the charge I g iv e a ft e r
1 g ive I t in th la Court.
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Aaothmx th in g I m a c to remind y w , I do aoC
lo t w ritten Instru ction s go to the Jury. Somm Judges
do, bat 1 d o n 't .
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THE GOtn?: Although you any organ tho lao cruet loan
Co the Jury, notoo to vhnt they should bo, but no Co
boo they apply to the lo o os g lm a Co the Jury, Ferfec
perm issib le to organ th o t.
Ploase s to to your o b je c t io n to the a ction o f
the Court, on the charges which you bom o ffe re d .
MA. HAKSH: You denied f i m nod s ix , I b e lie v e ,
and e igh t pod a lee .
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o f oao through fou r . The record should a ls o shoe that
in ad d ition to the Cox charge that Che attorneys bam i j
in stru ction s C~1 through C-7, which
the Court which vers taken froa the
the p la in t i f f s o ffa ra d charges aad the case low
the sta tu te .
NR. MARSH: Year Honor, with res pos t to
p la in t i f f 's e x h ib it awnteer f iv e dea lin g w ith tha
c la s s a c t io n , I waders land that h is Heaor w i l l daalda
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vtoth er or hoc i t i t « c la o t t e c lo o , to that ioooo
would ooc bo t o t a lttod to tta Jury, la that n w t ,
1 would bovo no e b je c t lo e to tho refu aa l to | iw that
i M t n t t l t a . Btwovor, w ith reop cct to r e fta a l to
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te ftioa l oo tta m w l tta t tta lo o i t ovue
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t a t l t o f eoco o t aa In d iv id u a l, tta ju ry aad Court
ooy s t i l l fin d fo r tta c lo o o ta rop roota ta . aad tit
ta a ia dor tta ia t tr a c t lo o i t t t a t tta Court la
Parhau v . t ou ttao tto ra S o il Telephone — paay,
r . Ooergia U gheay Kxpreoo Coop toy , ood Jeokino v ,
Oaitod Coo C orp ora tion decided t ta t ovoo ttau ta tta
In d iv idu al p lo U t l f fo cou ld net roe ov er, t t a t t ta cla a*
v* o b je c t to fa ilu r e to g iv e t t a t lo o true t i e i«
la the saoo v e la wo had p rev iou oly o b je cted
to tho o p e d a l v o rd le t in pro t r ia l con feren ce .
X would waut tta record to show t ta t aoaeon
two ood fou r — two ood f iv e rath er o f t ta o p o o lo l
w r l l e t which ia d lea toc t ta t la tta oooeor to oobbor
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COB*T: M ill* 7W are a tk la i T V Jttrl— t ,
w jr h aven 't r aceakar ai j w r fH M t lm .
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li h that m a t , i t m m Id be t y n U l
v e rd ict form w m bir f iv e that U the i i m r km
fea r is "y * »M, d id lik e d le e r ia la a tio a ctraai
mthmr black aepleyeea i k l l i t r l l y attacked U the
p la in t i f f — car p ea ltia a aaald be that tha claaa
r a l la f ahaald ca t ba dependent apan Hr. Haas
d lacrladaated aga laat. That fc t t r la a ( l a ahaald
lad lea ta a ln ply d id r a c ia l d la e r la ia a tia a aceur agalaat
a f tha b lack aapleyaea a t Tha
I f i t d id , they ahaald ba m t i t le d ta r a l la f v ith a a t
regard ta nhethcr Mr. Haaa race vara . Tha aaac la
traa aa ta a p ecla l v e rd ic t fa ta e ig h t. Tha cla aa
r e l i e f annber aavaa aaya aaa tha p la ia t i f f d la e r la la e
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Chair enap e o sstisn , tra n s fe r , praam H su
rsca during cha c a n s f tTf I qjmssl rshsagp
M ly 2, 1H 5 , that thay should ba e n tit le d ta
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c ic y la s true t i n , choc la p l a i n t i f f
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Is rm pilrad by the ease o f tohinoom v . L eri H ard la
the Fourth C ir c u it , sad that ch a n Is sd d e n s s » I f
ch a n la evidence la th is case o f V r ls s is acres s i ,
than the Court should In stru ct the Jury on I t . The ju ry
should ha to ld that thay cannot fin d fo r cha dafaadaac
u nless thay neat the standards o f L o r llla rd and
a ffirm a tiv e ly shoo the n e ce ss ity .
Wa o b je c t to the fa ilu r e o f the Court Co g ive
in stru ction number e ig h t dealin g w ith
d is c r e tio n . Vo say that our r r l rtanrs
d isp a r ity o f treatm ent ho tnoon blacks and u hicas a t
tha oeup any. Our ev idence shoes wage set loaah ly th at
thorn is su pervisory d ls e rs t lo u both In the regu lar
foreman and in tha perseamel nawagar o f tho tam m y.
Tha case o f lea v . Canaral Motors In tho F ifth C lro u lt
roou lro that tha Ins tru e tlon ha given to tho
Jury
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S t e n o g r a p h R e p o r t
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THE COURT: A ll r ig h t , a l l the o b je c t io n s
arc overru led .
. . . Th® fo llow in g instructIona woro o ffo ro d I
on behalf o f tha p l a i n t i f f . . .
IMSTKJCT1DM 1 i
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1 charge you that in determining whether The
Lane Company in ten tion a lly discrim inated against the
p la in t i f f and/or mambers o f the c la ss the C iv il l ig h ts
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to do what i t d id , that i s , i t s employment p ra ctice s
were not a cc id en ta l. Mr. Moss does not have te prove
that The Lane Company had the in tent to d iscrim inate
on the basis o f race, but on ly that The Company
intended the consequences o f i t s employment p ra c t ice s .
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UtSTKUCTIOM 2
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The requirement that The Lane Company in te n tio n a lly
discrim inated is s a t is f ie d i f you fin d that the «^ lo y -t
ment p ra ctices or procedures o f The Lane Company w hile
neutral on th e ir fa ce , and even neutral in terms o f
In tent, operate to the disadvantage o f Mr. Moss and/or
R U T H O N E S B R U N E R C b R
S Tf n o g h a p h R e p o r t e r
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Of p roo f Choc ho p rov . by . propondoroaco o f cho
ovldoaoo Cho. Th. C c»p«,y d iM r l « l n . t « f ^ U . t
th« c lo o t bocoute o f th o ir roco .
IMSTWCT10H 5
(Kofuood)
A e l m action any bo noln toiaod I f you fin d
that o i l or any port o f tht f o l i o * * * p a r .on . n o r .
d la cr latinotod a*oin tt on account o f^ th o ir r o c . . . !
indieatod :
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« . Thoto block oop loyoi; o f tho cotton y
perfonjwd Idon tlco l or a ia ilo r work at | j
•lfflilorly titu otad o h ito enployoot but nho !
received lo ts conpoototioo fo r that work.
b. Thoto black enployeos oho noro denied j|
act oat to Jobt that t in iU r ly tltuatod and |
comparably q u a lified eh ite onployoot noro
parnittod to perform. '
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ceofionobio opportunity for pronotion to jobo
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to which t la i U r ly situated white eoployoot
Ofn.) I d ond dtd receive pronotion. ;i
d. Thoto black employees *ho wore refuted jj
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Tboae block
<tonl*4 r u N M k lc opportunity to work overtim e
on tho i t M b n o ii no •In i l o r ly s i tun tod u h itoa .
i f you fin d that tho p Loin t i f f , Prod
Mm s , J r . t fo i lo d to e s ta b lis h that Tho Looo fnoiinsj
hod diaarlarfaatad against b in on tho boo in o f rooo
on on Individual you nay s t i l l find fo r tho elans
ho ropm aanta.
I f you fin d that tho p la in t i f f c la s s hod
•ufforod t a n g ib le ---------- j - loos m o u ltin g from so
unlawful employment p ra c t ic e , than you nay m k o on
sourd o f bock pay s u f f ic ie n t to conpooooto than fo r
such lo s s . The noosuro o f such loos i s tho aimunt
accessary to coup annate than at tho ra to they would
have been paid , but fo r tho unlawful d iscrim inatory
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INSTRUCTIDS *
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I f you find that the ampleymsmt p ra ctices o f
The Lane Company operates to the 4isadventsgee
o f Hr. Moss and/or the c la ss because o f th e ir race in
rece iv in g pay ra is e s , ov ertin e , tran sfers o r promotion
by a lien in g the forem en's recem eadatlee to be the
s in g le most indispensable fa c to r in granting pay
ra is e s , ov ertin e , tra n sfers , o r prom otions, by not
providing foreman v ith any vrittem in stru ction s as to
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the q u a lif ica t io n s fo r pay r a is e s , overtim e, transfers^
or prom otions, that any stendsardiwhich mere determined
to be co n tro llin g are vague and su b je c t iv e , that
hourly employees are not n o t if ie d o f promotion
opportun ities nor are they n o t i f ie d o f the q u a lif ic a t io n s
n*c ****rT to get job s sand that there are no safeguards
In procedure designed to evert d lscrlsdm atory p ra ctice s
then the p l c l n t l f f has s a t is f ie d hla burden n f p roo f
that The Lone Company v io la ted the C iv il Rights Act
o f 1964.
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*vtn ^ Tou find d u t th« d tfm daat
Incentton ally la an unlawful anploynant p ra ct ice which
wa» necessary to tha aafa and e f f i c i e n t operation o f
tha business and which oparatad to tha eeenenlc
disadvantage o f Mr. Moat and/or tha alasa baranas o f
race in rece iv in g pay ra lsea , ov ert law, tran sfer e r
promotion, than r a l la f aha11 ha granted unless the
business purpose o f such p ra ctice la s u f f ic ie n t ly
enamelling to override any ra c ia l Impact, tha p ra c t ice
a f fe c t iv e ly ca rr ie s out tha huainaaa purpose i t
a lleg ed ly serves, and there are a v a ila b le no acceptably
a ltern a tive p o lic ie s o r p ra ctices which would h otter
accomplish the huainaaa purpose advanced o r arrna^i 11sh
i t equally w ell with e le s se r d i f fe r e n t ia l ra c ia l
la p set. !
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p r o c w d ln ^ n n h.d In ch . p r « « . , { eh . ju ry . . .
THE COUKT: Ladles end gantlaaMn, the eerahal
i « going to hand you tha fa re o f tha v erd ict which
you w i l l be using today. I t la the sans ea the f e n s
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w i l l take th is , so i f the a t c o n t y i rwfwr to i t , you
wty ro fo r to i t during tho w p w t and g iv e h i* book
th* £m « i that you have, p looao.
I 4 ido*t »*y . Two lawyers to tho s id e . Old
any s id e intend to have n o n than too lawyer* to
MR. MUSH: Just one.
A ll r ig h t. TOo ooy
>» tho eeunael proaontod
to th* Jury, during which tho f o l l o o i ^ ob j
were node . . .
a r ig h t — i w teak facin g you today. I want yen
to know, and beer in wind, that th is la not a caac
to d e te n ia e whether fred Mace goto three woaka o f
back wages. I t include* th a t, and h ie rent an Han that
becauae he aaya be wa* d iaerln inatod again* t , you ahowld
glue b in r e l i e f in tho fern o f yea aeawers to the
guest ion* yen are being caked about b in but titan
la te r , the n atter which you w i l l not be dea lin g with
today, a l l other black* in h i* s itu a tion who cla im
that they haw* bean discrim inated against fo r tho
la s t seven years, s ix and a h a lf years, should be
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TWL COURT: tea n laute. Mr. Marsh is r la lag
to o b je c t . 1 think that la a n a tter that la golag
to have to bo taken care o f by the Court, apparently
both aides want to subnit i t to the Jury, I an not —
ML ALSXAWRS: ft>, s i r , I say I t la not
being subnit tad.
m GOVtT: I say that I t la not being ouhadt
and should not be considered by the Jury e ith e r ,
and gentlonen.
. . . thereupon counsel continued argunent •
MR. MARSH: . . .th a t la $U 7 d lffo rsn e a fre e
that f i r s cen ts . I an so t area counting the s igh t
tantha. that happened in 1*65 u n t il 1*66 rather,
Moss was discharged, u n t il 1971. that la flu e
tlnas $117 that Maas lo s t because ho uas • -
HR. ALEXANDER: I o b je c t to th at. Tour
that la not true. Ms d id n 't uerk there hut a
TW COURT: I an going to charge the Jury.
Tdu nay reed the charge to the Jury ee J---- g
you nay read i t te then, i f you uent fee.
Ml. MARSH: I w i l l accept His Manor's
on that. C erta in ly fo r one year, the d lffo rsn e a
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THE COURT: The d iffe re n ce between tha t la t
that ha worked th ere, Ladlaa and gantlanan.
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haard tha avldeace. I t ae* hoeonas tha duty a f tha
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Caart to in stru ct yaw as to tha la o a f tha ease .
J u stice through t r ia l by ju ry w il l always J- r n J aa
tha w illin gn ess o f aach in d iv id u a l ju ro r to fin d tha
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tha saaa ru les a f la o as given in tha in stru ction s a f
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I t is your duty in th is caaa to do Just le a
between the p la in t i f f and tha defendant. Too are
tha tr io r s a f tha fa cts in th is caaa.
1 have node ce rta in ru lin gs on evidence
throughout th is t r ia l . Ten should not any
in flu en ce fre e any ru lin gs which I have node an
evidence that I an fo r o r again st any party
s u it . i t is tha o b lig a tio n a f tha a ttorneys to
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Cou rt to ru le on th ese, mod that la tha exten t o f
th at.
Whao you r e t ir e to your roan, you should a la c t
ooa o f your auabar aa a foranen. tha foranen ahaaU
preside m r your d o lib e r a t le e s , g iv in g op par to o l ty
to aach o f yoa to ba hoard, aad opoak fa r tha ju ry
la tha co u rtrrta . Tha fora o f your v e rd ict w il l ha
jlaan to you la w ritin g . I t la a apoatal v e rd ict
*ad i t c e a s is ts o f too g u estlea s . 1 w il l gat hack
to that a l i t t l e b it la te r .
I aa not suggesting to you ho*
aaaaar any qu estion .
Jury
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i, you ahould knock on tha door aad tha Marshal
aad ha w ill bring tha axh lh lto to
Tour v e r d ic t , o f cou rse , auat ha
The Jury are tha sa le Judges o f tha c r e d ib i l i t y
o f tha wltaaaaao and tha weight o f the ev iden ce. Tea
ahould c a r e fu lly s c ru tin ise a l l the teetln sn y g iven ,
tha clrcunetaacea under which aach witaaaa t e s t i f ie d ,
and every n atter in evidence which teade to show j
whether a witaaaa la worthy o f b e lie f . Consider each !
w itness* la ta lllg e n c a , n a tiv e , aad s ta te o f wind, and
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th* v i t M i i ' A b ility te o b « « m the M tC tn m to vh ich
h« Sot t e c t i f i c d , sad vhether ha % V m u i ^ M
hAvlag ca « m r « c « r e c e lle c e ie e e f thcee M t l t n .
C aw l4*r «1 m cay r e la t iv e tack vI c b m i mmy
e ith e r «14e o f the ease, the a m e r ia vhleh
v ita e cc aey be e ffe c te d by the v e r d ic t ; cad the ex
to ^ t lc h , i f cay at e l l , each v ita e c c ic e ith e r
cupyerted e r eea trcd icted by eth er ev ld ceee ia the
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d iffe r e n t v ita e * se e , aey e r aey aet
te d is c r e d it such te ctia e a y .
v ita e cc la g an la c ideat e r c
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fa ilu r e o f r e e e lle c t le e , i t aet ca ---------- n_ eaaerieae
In veigh lag the e f fe c t e f e d ice rep accy , c Iveys cea sld er
vhethar i t p erteia e te c a c t te r e f
d e ta il .
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t e rror e r ia te a tle a e l fc lceh eed .
A fte r ackiag year eaa Jvdgacat, yeu v i l i g iv e
the te ctia ea y e f each v ita e cc such c r e d ib i l i t y ee yeu
think i t
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ovldaacs 1a tho ca se . lb # evidence la cht c a m
•f the r a « n testia aa y « f the w itn esses, r t u r d i t t i o f
nay have ca lle d thea; a l l e x h ib its rece ived la
• v id a w t, regard less a f aha s ty have produced
and a l l s tip u la tion * sad interrogatories aad
read lafca eviden ce.
hay evidence as to which an o b je c t lea
auetaioed by the Court, aad aay avideaca ordered
strick en by tho Court, oust ha o a tira ly d isregarded .
You aro to con sid er aa ly the rrl lira ■ la the
oase. But la your ecm* 1 deration a f the avideaca you
are not H a lted to the held * to tenants a f the w itnesses
la oth er wards, you are not H a lted s o le ly to what i
you see aad hear as the w itnesses t e s t i fy . On the
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con tra ry , you are penaltted to draw, fre e fa s ts which
you fin d to have boon proved, such reasonable in feren ces
as aeon J u s t ifie d la the lig h t o f your exp erien ce .
Charts o r n w s rlo s prepared by a w itness ate
received fo r the purpo se o f exp la in in g fa c ts d isc lo se d
by the to s t lo ony aad deevnaat* which aro in
in the ca se . Such charts a r scenario# are net in
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such charts ar suansrics do not c o r r e c t ly r e f le c t fa c ts
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shsrnid d ltra s ird then.
la eth er words, n a b ch arts o r m i n r t u a w
u»cd oa ly «s a a c t te r mi t w w ^ « K ^ *e 1 / , cad te
the exten t th a t, you fin d they no* ant be n a a r U t
mi fa cta e r figu res shews by mvLAmw* I f the ca se , yew
•re ca d isregard thaa e a ttru ly .
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sens thing In con sisten t w ith h is te s t lawny, the
1neonsis cent se t o r ststen an t should bo eonsldorod as
going on ly ee the w eight o f h is te a t lawny, unlose the
w itness be e party te tha case e r an authorised
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represen tative o f a corp ora te p arty , in which even*
the lo co e s la te n t se t e r statenant nay net on ly bo
considered as going te the weight e f the te stln e e y ,
but e ls e fax the truth mi the n a tter asserted la the
in con sisten t a ct o r staten an t.
The burden is an the party a ssertin g a fa c t
io a c i v i l a ct le a , such as th is , te prove every
M sen tia l elauent o f b is c la ln by preyondoronc# o f
ths evidence. x f tha p roo f should f a i l te e s ta b lish
**7 e sse n tia l elenent o f tha c la in by e prepends i anesi
e f the evidence la the ca se , the Jury should fin d -
the fe e t is not proved.
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*» p w w that eaaething la w n l ik e ly
w ttum net ao. In ochar vor<U, a r r f f f i r w a f
tha evidence la th is caaa M ane mmh it I lia n a § » f vhaa
v t u chat a p n i i l ta U , baa
•> end pro On ca t la jo u r a lM i
b a lla f chat abac la «M i#*t ta ba proven la earn U k aly
trua than aat trua.
V ith regard to ch at, tha
aaawerod la tha ep ee la l v a r d it t ,
o f fa c t . Tha burden o f p «M f la an tha party u a a tla *
a **yoaw aaaoar to prove I t , and the burdoo la on the
p la in t i f f to prove any donate, i f
ehould fin d that tha burden o f p roo f hoe not
su sta in ed , the aaeuor to chat en action uould bo
That la aa esanpla o f ban tha burden a f p roo f
opp ly la th ia caaa.
In determ ining whether any fa ct In leave baa
been proved by a pray an iterance o f the outdance in the
ca ee , the Jury coy con sid er the tootlnany o f a l l
v ita e e se e , m gordloaa o f oho M y hove c o lle d thus)
a l l e s k ib its received la — M tn rt. regardloaa o f oho
M y hovo produced than) and o i l s tip u la tio n s and
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I f yon w a r qooo t i oae 1 , 4 , « r 7 “ B o",
f t v should not aaouor f M t i i a 10. I f ja «
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ta s te r p a s t ia a 10. Should y a
p la in t i f f la e n tit le d to donates, that h it
o f donates la the wages he lo o t *T ttian e f re t t e l
dime rla iaatleat a t The Lane Coapeay. Bo aheeld ant ho
oaardod donate fo r any t in t s in ce h it d isch arge
he haa eexaad the sea t o r equal
oor ood a t The Lana Cenpaay, and
tla e that he not anpleyod la neeewred hy the d iffe r e n c ei
la the oaouat ho nonld hone earned w ithout d lo c r la la a t iin
as coopered with th et he d id earn , I f ymm fle d that ha
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Tt* Equal Employment Opportunity Ace forb id#
tha discharge o f a p tr««a from h it —p isyesn t mm
account o f h i* raca o r on account o f aaaarcing h i*
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righ t# under the Equal Engl cy an t Opportunity A ct, and
I f you hollava free the evidence that e ith e r o r both
o f thoae uoro the roaaooa fo r the discharge o f Frod
****** J r *» th w should antuo r quaatlona 1 o r 2 ,
o r both, "Yes” .
I f you find that con d ition * o f aa^Loynant la
H oa.'a dapartnaot uoro la flu oocod by r a c ia l coa
o r that the c o a g u la te o f Fred Moot uoro brought to
tha a tten tion o f tho company - that la t b . com plaint#
o f Fred Mo as to tho UOC, that la Bqual fc^loym snt
Opportunity Commission, uoro brought to tho a tta n tloa
or tho company author I t la s , than you should taka th is jj
Into account la your da lib # ro t Iona, and con sid erin g
such, and a l l the avldanca la tha ca se , yon nay conclude
that Moss uaa diachargad bocauoa o f hia raca o r fo r ||
a ssertin g h is r ig h ts under Equal Employment O pportunity
Act.
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In determ ining uhether Fred U ses, J r . mas tha
v ie t in o f r a c ia l d iscrim in ation or r e ta lia t io n fo r
••••rtln j h is righ ts under tho Equal fnglirjusnt
Opportunity A ct, you nay con sid er s t a t is t ic a l evidence
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in employment.
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Ifprocedures of The Lane Company, then you must find
that plaintiff was discharged on account of asserting
his rights under the Equal Employment Opportunity
Act.
1 charge you that the mere fact that Fred Moss,:
Jr. is of the Nteg.ro race and may have exercised rights
under the Equal Employment Opportunity Act raises no
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presumption that he was fired for either reason. The
burden is on the plaintiff to prove by a preponderance
of the evidence that one or both reasons was the
cause of his firing.
An employer has a right to fire an employee
for cause so long as it does not intentionally
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because he exercises his rights under the Equal
Employment Opportunity Act.
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Lane Company intentionally discriminated against the
concerning the existence or non-existence at The
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p la in t i f f , you should con sid er an a ct la la taut to n a lly
done when i t la done with tho determ ination to a ct la
a ce rta in way. A^d la c o n s id e r !* ; th is , you should
tak# Into account that tho company woe bound to havo
Intended the natural and probebla fifnnsgnaacss o f ita
a cta .
I f you b e liev e fro * tho evidence that p r io r
to July 2, 1945, Tho Lane Canpony had d iscrim in ated
in employment p roctlcoa which hod room1tod in black
employees being p ieced in disadvantageous pee i t lo n e ,
because o f th e ir m co . w ith regard to ch o ir employment,
and you fu rth er b e liev e that a fte r July 2 , 1945, The
Lana Company'a employment p ra ctice# opera ted to freeze
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lr w j fin d that such ex isted , and yet fu rth er , chat
aa a resu lt o f any p r io r d iscrim in atory p ra ctice s —
la te r freez in g o f any d ioerin ia otn ry statu s quo which
•ay haw* « is tad , that Fred Moss. J r . was d iscrim in ated
against on account o f h is ra ce , then you nay fin d that !
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In determ ining whether The Lana Cempany in te n tio n a lly
d iscrim in ated , the lo o require# on ly that tho Lane
Company noant to do uhat i t d id , that la to say, that
tho employment p ra ctice s more not a ce id o n ta l, and
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I f you b e liev e from tha evidence that the
Lana Company bad a g a w n l pattern a f ra a ta lly
d iscrim in atory employment p ra ctice s ram mining Jab
pay, placem ent, eraaafara, a r p r a a t ia a i , than yen aay
la fa r chat any a ction a f tha ca**aay about rnhlch tha
p la in t i f f coa p la ia a , which you fu rth er b e lie * * fa l l*
v ttb ia tha general p ra ctice s ju s t above d escrib ed ,
w > ra* ia H y M otive ted. On tha eth er hand, i f you
da not b e liev e fr o * the evidence tea t Tha U na - Tr , i .
had a general pattern a f such r a c ia l d iscrim in atory
employment p ra ctle a c , than aa such In feren ce should
a r is e .
The p la in t i f f has o ffe re d s t a t is t ic a l evidence
fre e which ha asks you to drau tha in feren ce that th em
e x is ts a pattern o f r a c ia l d iscrim in ation la an*laymant
•* tha U na Company, i f you ballnva tha s t a t is t ic a l |
evidence a f the p la in t i f f , you nay fu rth ar b « l lm |
that tha p la in t i f f hac esta b lish ed a prime fa c ia caaa,
that is to say, that tha p la in t i f f has s a t is f ie d h ie
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burden o f p roo f that a pattern a f r a c ia l d iscrim in ation
ex isted which caught up the p la in t i f f in the p a t te n .
1 charge you that c prime fa c ie case any be
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t b . .v l t a n c . To* ■ » th . M l . Ju4 ,m . f tha
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tho dafataant ho* o f f .r o d a ta t la t lc a l
f r o - which I t . . b . i ~ e . t a . a o lo fo ro o co that
th o r . « ■ no p a te r a o f r o e U l d la crta ta a tlo a . I f
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*fc*“ * "* **3r fU d “ ■** tho a ta t la t lc a l n l t a t . . f
tha p la in t i f f ha. a ct aatabllahad a p r lM fM la coa o ,
l . to M y. that th . p la in t i f f h o . * * M t la f lt a
h i . burden Of p roo f by a ta t la t lc a l arldon eo.
1" any a*aat. roc «hauld cooa ldar tha a ta t la t lc a l
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•atabllah ta by th . p la in t i f f , o r | . coM a ctlon w ith
a l l th* oth er .v ld a n c . to th . c « .« a . to th* a a n a n
r * . l lv o to tho qwaatlona p r .a a .tta by th . apM la l
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« p r w e l w o r aa m l p rn u t ta * t o t t e r Job, you
fin d tea t to w i < ilic r la lu e « d again *t aa tto
toa la o f raca la g re w tle a s a t tea eanpaay aad mm
1 tea rs* raw that tea b a rter la up** tto
p la in t i f f , Prod Maaa, J r . , te prana te a t tea dafandant
^ Laaa CoMfany, ia ta a t fa a r lly d la crin la a ta d aga in st
b la aa a e tow c a f U a raca by paying h i* loan r wngna
tto a to ana a n tltla d ta a t tto tln a to vns hi rad. I
fu r tto r In stru ct yen i f yau b a ll* * * trmm t t o rrlla a ra
t t o t Mm #* I n it ia l wnga ra te was aat baaad upon r a c ia l
coaa ite r a t io n * , than t o «• « aat la ta a tla a a lW
discrim inated again*e la te la part a f b la aapleynaat
pa account a f h i* raca , cad yau c t o l l aaavar pw astla*
A * W .
I t la tto duty a f t to p la in t i f f Haas ta prana
by a prapaadaraaca a f tea arid aac * tea t tea dafaadaat,
I t o Laaa Ceayany, la ta n tla a a lly d la crla la a ta d again st
b in an aocaaat a f b la raca by aat prana tin g b la ar
tra n sferrin * h i* a fte r to vittih aa a ^ la y a a . dad
i f yau b a ile r* fra * tea arldcaca that Pted Maaa, J r .
« » a ct prana tad a r trees farrod h i a i n a f aanad
anplaynaat p ra ctice* which warn aat r a c ia lly d la cr ln -
1 w atery, tea* yau a t o ll aaawer q eea tiea 7 **■#".
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an employer to give p re fe re n tia l treatment to anyone
on account o f h is race.
1 want to see the attorneys and the court
reporter .
. . . Thereupon, the Court and counsel r e t ire d
to chambers where the fo llow in g proceedings were had
in the absence o f the Jury . . .
THE COURT: P la in t i f f , sta te your o b je c tio n s to
the charge given.
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to the la st part where the Court ended with the
in stru ction o f preference to race and to the la s t
thing going to the ju ry .
THE COURT: Defendant, sta te your o b je c t io n to
the charge.
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MR. ALEXANDER: Your Honor, our o b je c t io n s are
in each case to the absence o f evidence to support
the submission to the ju ry o f the issu es . But f i r s t ,
I d on 't think there is any evidence at a l l that the
company knew the charges were f i le d . Ve o b je c t as
to the black department, white department In stru ction ,
p a r ticu la r ly — w e ll , fo r the reason that there is
no evidence o f the su b je c t , and i t includes the phrase
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S t e n o g r a p h R e p o r t e r
B r i s t o l V a T e n n 2 4 2 0 :
" o n llt a r lly e l l black** t sad w say that U a ct la
t e e o r ln c t with the Act which eaye no fla d l« g « aaa ba
M dc against aa a ^ l o f i r because o f a o t having a r a t io
o f black la any g ives department. Awl m to the
in stru ction that the ju ry cou ld fin d la fewer o f Prod
Host fo r laeV o f ovl f ence , aad f la a l ly , that the ju ry
could fla d that tho seep cay had a ^attora o f d ie c r la -
la a tlo a a lso fo r lack o f eviden ce.
TSB COOKY: A ll r ig h t, 1 aa |>lag to ooorru lo
tho p la in t i f f* • o b je c t le a . Although there aay bo
a c r lt to your o b je c t lo o oa tho lock o f ev id en ce, 1 oa
going to overru le I t .
. . . Thereupon tho Court oad eouaool returned
to open courtreeu where tho fo llow in g proceedings wore
had la the presence o f tho ju ry . . .
T K C0C1T: Led lee and gaa tleaee. 1 aa going
to g ivs you tho o r ig in a l o f th is a p o d a l v e rd ict Core. ;
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bock to h la so you w ill on ly take aaa la there w ith
cou rt
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at 11 t4k a .a . ta con sid er o f l t c v e r d ic t .. .
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TIB COURT: Hi will n e i u to ovale eho
re tv r« o f the ju ry .
At the con clu sion o f the t r ia l , there w il l bo
•ova o o tio o e oo one or both s id e s , and I would
appreciate I t I f you would be studying th is w h ile the
Jury la ou t.
. . . Thereupon, the Court and eou oeel bad
the fo llow in g proceedin g ! In ehanbora a t 1:50 p .u . . .
m COURT: Let the record a how that the Jury
ten t In a note caking fo r ce rta in e x h ib its , which the
Court marked f i le d . And in response to tho n o te , the
Court i t sending p la in t i f f 's o c h lb lt s ix te e n ,
defen dan t's e leven , defen dan t's th irte e n , to efcleh
there wee oo o b je c tio n .
Ml. 10888: The Jury is cowing in .
THE COURT: Co out there end t e l l the nerehal
to seat tha Jury end go on bee*< in the cou rt room
. Thereupon, the Court and counsel returned
to tho open courtroen whore the fa llow in g pr oc eedings
wore had in the presence o f the Jury at 2:CP p.w . . . .
THE COURT: X an te rry to c e l l you bock in
la d les and gentlanon In response to tho n ote X bate
h ero, the o r ig in a l a p p lica tio n , which la p la in t if f* #
s ix te e n , and def enda n t 's eleven which la ewnaary o f
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lsruoluotary terw ln ation , I t doooa»*t have percentage
oe I t , i t has beea by ousber sod now hire*1, which la
defowdawt* • th lrtoon * which was the se a tlo o t« that
w rote the m>te? I presuns that you have boon elected !
fv r w i i?
JIH0K: Wo, l m i ju s t v r l t is g .
THE 00SKT: You hava bean a lectod fo ranan. You
g i n (Im s to tho gent Iona a «ho v ro to the oo to I
w i l l ooV you I f they oro tho wm « two woat,
saying 007th ins about thow. Your d iscussion* oro
s t r i c t ly private
JOTBftt That Is tho owos.
T V OORTi A ll r l fh t , you way r o t lr o to
cow stdor y w r v e r d ic t .
. . Thereupon tho ju ry re tire d a t 2t01 p .n .
to con sid er o f i t s word le t and returned to tho
cou rt re set a t I jV p .s . . .
T V COBKTi Ladles and gent lo o se o f tho ju r y ,
Karo you arrived a t a v e rd ict?
JO Tt Yos
T V COVTt W ill you hand tho v o rd lo t to tho
w arshal, p lea se .
Ladles aad g en t!— sn o f tho ju r y , I w il l road
you your v e rd ic t :
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S i n o g r a p h R l p o r t f r
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Question 1. Vm tbs p la in t i f f d ischarged an
account o f assartin g h is righ ts under the Iq v s l
Eapleynent Opportunity A ct? Anavnr: So.
b a s t io n ? . Was cha p la in t i f f disohargod on
account o f h is racaT Anavnr: go.
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Question 3. Was the p la in t i f f disohargod fo r
cause? Ansvar: Tea.
Question 4 . has the p la in t i f f d iscrim in ated
again st on accou t o f h is recs by h is in i t ia l
assignment at the tin e ha m i anpleyed? Anavnr: So.
Question 5 end 6 are not anavnr.
Question ? . Was the p la in t i f f d iscrim inated
against on account o f h is race coneem in g h is
com pensation, tra n sfe rs , or pronetions during the tern
e f h is assplornent? Answer: So.
Question 8 Is not ansvarad.
Question 9 is net answered, end gu estlen 10
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Ladies and gent leases e f the ju r y , ia th is yeur
v e rd ict?
JUHT: Tes.
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THI. COtfltT: So say you e l l ?
. The Jury in d ica ted an unaulneua v e rd ic t .
TH& OOUtT: Does the p la in t i f f d es ire the Jury
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m OMIT: L a d lea M d gaatloM a, ,
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ttwa « . uew aliy hav* awl a euhataatlal
ca lle d « » a a tle e . , a ^ r a s la ta r o w p a t lM c . u
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eUrV * “ » 1» t««eh 1 t h m * b» la t t e r , n - r t
"•w "• *? **ch fo r conlnx tod w*.* *“ a tr ill bo oxevooH.
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T » C O W : I er^eet that reu M a id 11V. ta
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w k c , I f i c i t i ip i t f r i u t .
m CQMKT: A ll r i jk t .
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o f tho C iv il k lpbt* Act o f 1H4 — iT r g l m
t r ia l by tho co o rt sod s o t by a Jury, sod that a
t r ia l by a ju r y , m a ao a M aM jr Jury, v ioU ta a tiM
r l«b ta tptsroatood to tho p ia la t l f f by Chat A ot.
Owr p o s it lo o la that tho ia ta o t o f Coutrosa u
oayroaaod la tho B *ia l la p le y s a t O pportunity Aot
P t o r i s lo e s o f tho C iv il U ^ t « A ct o f 1944 proelud*
aay d is cre tio n jlv o a to tho co a rt to aoo aa advisory
Jary.
T V C M ft Too are sayla* tho s ta te to over*
c ov es tho Fodarol Saloa o f C iv il Prooodhro ahloh
eaye aa advisory Jary aay bo had ao ho aay iaoao o f
fo o t is oaaagf
MU H U H t Too, 1 th ick tho ia to a t o f Coasroae
la that o o c tlo a asproasaa tho ia to a t o f Coasrooa as to
hoa thooe klad o f caoos should bo tr ia d , oad ao a oto
la look log « t T it la 7 oases that hova booa tr ia d o la o -
ahaaa, w a o a 't fla d that ovoa aa adv isory Jary hoa
boaa usod sayubsre a ls o la aay o f tho caaos, tho boat I
ao ooo t o l l .
T3M COWTj X th lak as fa r aa that pooa • v a i l ,
X a l i i pass ao th a t. Vs a l l l do I t oao a t a t ia a .
That la aa fa r aa that part o f tho o o tlo a poos that
tha Fadoral heloa o f C iv il Frecoduro a llo a aa advisory
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omm i t ia , but i t la th ere. Mot on ly la I t a llew eh ie
•* a M otion, i t n igh t m a be requ ired . T h an la a
« « • decided by Judge M i a when ha wna an tba Wmmrth
C ir c u it , aa4 i t aay hewn bean a 4 i m a l t y caaa re fe rr in g
ta V irg in ia p ra c t ic e , but I think i t la aaaletaua in
aaua a t f* ta cha fa ta r a 1 ruin that an i t can ant a f
chancer* which la what th is r a c ily la , anat ha
granted aa a n a tion , although i t any* i t aay ha aa
ahuaa a f discretion, not ta . la aay e v e e t, i t
la a ith a r ahuaa a f discretion net ta o r w ith in the
discretion o f the co u rt, and the Federal ftaleo
• p a c ific a lly a llow i t , Z aa ru lin g th at part a f the
w tll taken, ta which the record ahauld
•haw your o b je c t io n .
Is that the Court ahauld grant
the w ardlet baaauaa the p la in t i f f s
Judgnowt aa a n a tter e f law.
there ia in a u ffle ia n t evidence to
a f the dafondant on aay a f the lean
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p U l a t l f f W f t f d . t k n . M . M M u t « k ,
m , 1 . , tfc .t t t e r 414k' t k m t fc l. d lK r a t U .
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eh* teu lM M y i y t iM I t t l U H l y w w » i a a l,
I t fa l l* ta skat that tk ty m w i l i M a , a t t iw a y t r t l i
a l t a n a t iv i p a lle t* * « r y n a tla a a U lr t i w l l h it te r
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ins true tlong which we asked for for the Jury, Humber
9, and this is the standard, the business necessity
rule discussed by the Fourth Circuit, which is in
effect in the Fburth Circuit in Robinson v. Lorillard
case which relied on the Supreme Court's case in the
Griggs case.
We submit that this is & standard of the
Fourth Circuit, that the burden was on the company to
show that these practices which indisputably had an
adverse economic impact on the plaintiff were necessarf
for the safe and efficient operation of their business
and they didn't do this, and they didn't come forward
and show the other three items we mentioned so for
this reason, we re ite ra te that the motions should
be granted, that the Court set aside the verdict of
the jury and grant judgment for the plaintiff.
THE COURT: All right, I will cover those in
the findingsof fact and conclusions of law. However,
may I have these three exhibits that the jury asked
for after they retired to the jury room.
The following are findings of fact and conclusions
of law, which will be given orally and transcribed
and made a part of the record of this proceeding.
In the special verdict the jury has found that
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h is rich es aader the Equal EapLsyaswt Q pportuaity A it .
la that fla d la g i f fa c t y m , Z » l w fia d that
m i fa c t , t b it th is p a rticu la r fla J la g i f fa c t , as
1 th ick i t is w l l i w i aad appa rsa t f e w tbs
th a t, Z was a ct a m w n that i t e*Mbt to ba
to the Jury. Thera «a c aot say t v i i i w s th at Z
o f a t a i l ia th is caoa that say roopooaih la o f f i c i a l .
a ot area a faruasa o r
o r load lo t aaa o r aayoaa ia aay p o a itio a o f a a th ority
at a l l kaao scyth in g a t a l l about Mr. Msss a sso rtla *
h is r ig h ts under the Equal E y lsy a sa t A lt p r io r to
the t la o bo uas discharged. Ha d id n 't t a l l
about i t . Ms d id a ’ t cla im that be d id ,
fo lla u o f l s y w s that ho uas t a l l la g to awe t h a oa
a lumber p ile o ith ln bear log o f s o n o th er aaplayoas.
Zt n everth eless u oat to the ju ry aa the fa c t
that aaa o f the aap ioyaos, uho uas v ith la hoar la g ,
r. Crua aad Mr. rfla r a le tw k sows
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••4 A i t a la a t la tha v la ca r ar e a r ly t f f i a i a f chat
T**r that Mr. Maaa ta t ta wanting a tra n sfer ta the
aalataaaaaa iapcrraaat aad th a t. ta ha a yilaaar grin ds
vhlchawar i t nay ha, c ith e r a r hath; that ha aaaU
aat gat tha tra n sfer and that tha laager ha went w ith -
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ju s t i f ie d aad tha Court fin d s that la a fa c t .
^aaatlaa 3: Mas tha y l a i n t i f f discharged fa r
cause? Answer ta that la yaa. X think that la
haraa awt by tha yrayaadaraaca a f tha rr ifa a n a , aa
ara tha athar t w fla d in gs la tha caaa , aaahar 1 aad
2 . aad that Nr. Maaa'a nark had W en ga la* loan aad
daww, aad f in a lly aa th la n igh t la questtan ahaa ha
van flr a d , ha was given a a lly w hich, ahlah la a
■ attar a f fa c t that la aat area denied la tha raaard,
w ith a y lla a f work ta da aa a s la y la aaeh laa, aad Mr.
Maaa had a a b i l i t y , aad th a n la aa dawbt cheat that
at a l l , ta work thaaa v a rices aach laaa, aad was ahava
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V e il, la th« cou rt* o f tbo t r ia l , tha t — f i t
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tho co s to s t la oh lea i t mi «»k*d fo r ta r t o f cfeaaasd,
as ws a l l k M r. llr . Moss ta s t lf la d afcaa ha M o t oa
tho Jab, ha gst tha Jab that ha vaatad. That mi a
■ashlar o | m ttr . and sa that l e f t tha n aly p art a f
that i a l t la l w i l p m t fa a stla a ta ha askad aas ha
d la crla la a ta d against la tha not ta r a f h is u t t a t
tha tla a ha aas ss*layad . ass tha a a ly arldoaaa that
X kaow a f that e ig h t t o r n ta eerxaharata ch a t, sad
that has baea ta tha Jury sad that aas tha a xh lh it
a f tha p la in t i f f , sad X d o a 't lean axa stly ah lsh aaa
I t a a s , •hsalag that tha aasraga s ta rt in g sagas a f
hlasks — nay l htv* tha a x h lh it* , plaaaa.
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carer* Urn* or 10.
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to show that th is l e f t o a t , fo r sx sn p ls , education .
This l e f t out p la in t i f f 's p r io r experience o f any
kind. The evidence put in by the c ompany tended to
show that the blacks were paid a t le a s t as nnch as
w hites on s ta rtin g wages, w ith no previous experience
a t The Lane Conpeny, and there is evidence which would
in d ica te that fron the oth er p eop le , although there
are wore w hites in the oth er group, sta rted a t h igher
pay, that they were people w ith prerrious exp erien ce,
and the education al q u a lific a t io n s o f a l l those
people were w ith eth er experience o r th e ir previous
experience on that Job, or oth er n in i l ia r jo b s o r
sp e c ia lize d tra in in g was nowhere explored in the
record . I cannot fin d that there was any evidence
oth er than the graphs put in by the p la in t i f f and the
s t a t is t ic a l evidence which n igh t lend I t s e l f to that
in feren ce that the p la in t i f f was d iscrim in ated against
in h is in i t ia l wages s t the tin e he was enpleyed.
Tha Jury has found that the fa c t that ha waa
not d iscrim inated a ga in st, and tha Court a lso fin ds
that is a fa c t that bo waa not d iscrim in ated again st
on account o f h is raco by h is in i t ia l a a s lg m n t a t
the tin e ha was anployed; that aa I sa id in th is case
i t has turned out that i t p a r ticu la r ly applied to wage|$,
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o f hid —aa — ia d ia log h i* a— p — i H a ,
o r pro— llama dariag tha t a n c l hid d f l o m t f t
ja r y h— — rad that aa . had I thiafc th at la n i l
h a m oa t by tha w ard .
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tha p ia la t l f f K ight tad to ah— that btaah paayla
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traaafara by tha p la la t l f f . Aa 1 t —■ a
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erld eace i t aaaaatradlatad that Mr. Mtla is a lea*
tiaM aaplaryee. Tha evideace i t a laa vacaatradtetad
that chart vat aa vaaaacy ia tha departaaat a t tha
tia a ha pat ia te r a txaaater ta tha aaial
Ihara hat aa aridaaca baaa pat U hy a ith a r
tid a abaut tha auaber a f tra n sfers t j t ln t t tha
o f r v f e s t s , at can t r us t lap black aad a h ita , tad that
i* aat a v a ila b le te r reaps r is e * . I ,th e r e fo r e , fle d
as a fa c t , at d id tha ju ry , that Mr. Matt vat aat
d iscr ia la a ta d against aa eeeevat a f h it race
h it tra n sfer h r i a t tha term # f h i« aapleyw m t.
Tha Jury proparly than did aa t answer
« aad 9 , aad s a ev e red f a t flaw 10 w ith "Mane",
there hat baaa aa a b ja ctla a ta pu ttin g ia "Mena" ia
there ia ttaad a f leaving i t b leak , ta I aa aat gelas
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As concerns the n otions — f i r s t , About the
sa fe end e f f ic ie n t ru le end the Uasiness purpo se and
the business n ecess ity ru le that has been d iscu ssed ,
th a t, es fa r as th is goes h ere , th is case goes, would
r e a lly concern p r in c ip a lly h is reques t fo r tree fa r ,
e ith e r to be a planner grin der o r in to the aalatonanco
department. I f there had been an opening in that
depertnent, and i f tha evidence here had been chat
th ere wee sa opening la the department and Hr. Mess
put in fa r a tra n sfer in to the department and a white
person put in fo r a tra n sfer in to tha opening in to i
s depertnent, and the w hite sum got i t and Mr. Moss
d id n 't got i t , end the oth er nan was ae were q u a lifie d
Chen Mr. Moss o r le ss q u a lifie d than Mr. Mass, 1 chink
an in stru ctio n shout the sa fe and e f f ic ie n t ra le would
have boon proper, but 1 d o n 't think that d n a an
employee puts la fo r a tra n sfer in to a department which
is already fu ll and which ha knows is already fu l l or
should know is already f a l l , because had had asked h is
foreman end the foremen to ld him there was ee vacancy,
at le a s t , as fa r as Mr. Kale goes, and there is no
evidence a f any vacancy in the maintenance depertnent,
that tha sa fe and e f f ic ie n t business purpose ru le e r
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IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE WESTERN DISTRICT OF
VIRGINIA, continued and held at Lynchburg, in and fo r said d is t r i c t
on the 24th day o f March, 1972.
FRED MOSS, JR ., Ind iv idually and on
beha lf o f others s im ila rly situ ated ,
P la in t i ffs
v.
THE LANE COMPANY, INCORPORATED,
Defendant
ORDER
C iv il No. 68-C-72-R(L)
The 24th day o f March, 1972, came the p la in t i f f in person
and by h is attorneys, and the defendant by i t s attorneys.
A ll matters o f fact were submitted to an advisory Jury,
and the court having charged the jury as to the law o f the
case , the Jury rendered i t s advisory verd ict as fo llo w s :
1. Was the p la in t i f f discharged on account o f assertin g
h is r igh ts under the Equal Employment Opportunity Act?
Yes Mor Ro
2. Was the p la in t i f f discharged on account o f his race?
yes Nor Ro
3. Was the p la in t i f f discharged fo r cause?
—----- iea__________Y e s o r N o
4. Was the p la in t i f f discrim inated against on account o f
h is race by h is in i t ia l assignment at the time he was
employed?
_______No_______Yes or Ro
5. I f the answer to question 4 is "Y es," did lik e d iscr im i
nation occur against the other black employees s im ila rly
situated to p la in t i f f ?
Yes o? Ro
6. I f the answer to question 4 is "Y es," is lik e d iscr im i
nation s t i l l occurring?
Tei 5? Ro
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7 . Was the p la in t i f f discrim inated against on account o f
h is race concerning his compensation, tra n sfers , or
promotions during the term o f h is employment?
_,__ Hq________Y e s o r N o
8. I f the answer to question 7 is "Yes,," did lik e d iscr im i
nation occur against the other b lack employees s im ila rly
situated to p la in t i f f ?
Yes or No
9. I f the answer to question 7 is "Y es," is such d iscr im i
nation s t i l l occurring?
Yes or No
10. What damages has the p la in t i f f su ffered , i f any?
__ i___ None_________
Dated th is 24th day o f March, 1972.
_a /— P h yllis C. Huffman______
Foreman
Whereupon the court rendered i t s find ings o f fact and
conclusions o f law o ra l ly , which sh a ll be transcribed and made
a part o f the record in th is proceeding.
In accordance with said findings o f fact and conclusions
o f law, i t is accord in gly ADJUDGED and ORDERED as fo llow s :
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The p la in t i f f having been discharged fo r cause is not
en tit le d to reinstatem ent or to any damages a fte r the date o f
h is discharge.
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This action sh a ll not be allowed to proceed as a c la ss
action as requested by the p la in t i f f in his p leadings.
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The advisory Jury and the court having found as a fa ct
that the p la in t i f f has not been d iscrim inated 'against in
at the outset o f or
any way on account o f h is race/during the term o f h is employ
ment he is not e n titled to bring th is action and the action
sh a ll be, and the same hereby i s , dism issed.
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The motion for attorneys' fees is denied.
Enter th is 24th day o f March, 1972.
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IN THE
FOR THE
UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
upctpdm nTSTRICT OF VIRGINIA
At Lynchburg
FRED MOSS, JR.
Plaintiff
THE LANE COMPANY, INC.,
Defendant
CIVIL ACTION
NO.•68-C-72-R (L)
NOTTCE OF APPEAL
NOTICE is hereby given that Fred Moss, Jr., plaintiff
above named, hereby appeals to the United States Court of Appeals
for the Fourth Circuit from the final judgment entered in this
action on the 24th day of March 1972.
C^' ,? Z '2---Of Course I f or Piainnil
HENRY L. MARSH, III
JAMES W. BENTON HILL, TUCKER 5, MARSH214 East Clay Street
Richmond, Virginia 23219
GEORGE W. HARRIS, JR.
The Crystal Towers Building
210 Second Street, S. W.
Roanoke Virginia 24011
JACK GREENBERG
WILLIAM L. ROBINSON
BARRY L. GOLDSTEIN10 Columbus Circle,
New York, New York
Suite 2030
10019
Counsel for Plaintiff