Trial Proceedings Transcript Vol. 2

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2 IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT 

3 FOR THE NORTHERN DISTRICT OF GEORGIA 

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& | WARREN MCCLESKEY. ) DOCKET NO. CS81-2434 

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14 _ TRANSCRIPT OF PROCEEDINGS 

15 | BEFORE THE HONORABLE J. OWEN FORRESTER, UNITED STATES DISTRICT 

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18 APPEARANCES OF COUNSEL: 

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19 | FOR THE PLAINTIFF: JOHN CHARLES BOCER: TIMOTHY K. FORD     

  

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21 | FOR THE DEFENDANT: MARY BETH WESTMORELAND AND SUSAN V. 
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(ATLANTA, FULTON COUNTY, GEORGIA3 AUGUST 9, 1983, 

IN OPEN COURT.) 

THE COURT: ALL RIGHT, MR. BOGER. YOU MAY PROCEED. 

MR. BOGER: THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR. 

DAVID C. BALDUS, 

BEING PREVIOUSLY DULY SWORN, RESUMED THE WITNESS STAND AND 

TESTIFIED FURTHER AS FOLLOWS: 

DIRECT EXAMINATION (CONT-D) 

BY MR. BOGER: 

Q. PROFESSOR BALDUS., AT THE CLOSE OF YOUR TESTIMONY ON 

YESTERDAY AFTERNOON, I BELIEVE THE QUESTION HAD JUST ARISEN 

ABOUT WHERE THE SUPREME COURT RUESTIONNAIRES WERE ACTUALLY 

FILLED OUT, WHETHER IN GEORGIA OR IN IOWA. 

CAN YOU TELL THE COURT WHERE THAT TOOK PLACE? 

A. THE QUESTIONNAIRES WERE COMPLETED AT THE UNIVERSITY OF IOWA 

COLLEGE OF LAW DURING THE 1979, 1980, ACADEMIC YEAR. 

. THE MATERIALS THAT FRED KYLE AND HIS ASSOCIATES PUT 

TOGETHER IN GEORGIA. WERE SHIPPED BACK TO IOWA. AND I ENGAGED 

LAW STUDENTS AT THE UNIVERSITY OF IOWA TO DO THE ACTUAL CODING 

OF THE QUESTIONNAIRES. 

Q. WHEN WE SPEAK OF THE WORD "CODING," YOU MEAN BY THAT SIMPLY 

WHAT? 

A. THE STUDENTS WOULD READ OVER THE SUMMARY MATERIALS THAT 

  

  

 



  

  

  

  

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WERE SENT BACK, AND THE SUPREME COURT OPINION, AND THE YORK 

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2 MATERIALS, AND ON THE BASIS OF THAT. MAKE A DETERMINATION OF HOW 

3 EACH QUESTION IN THE QUESTIONNAIRE SHOULD BE ANSWERED. THEN 

4 THEY WOULD ENTER THE APPROPRIATE ANSWER FOR EACH QUESTION. 

3 Q. THE MATERIALS YOURE SPEAKING OF ARE THE MATERIALS WE 

é DISCUSSED YESTERDAY IN DB-29 THROUGH -33 THAT WE DISCUSSED 

® 7 YESTERDAY, IS THAT CORRECT, OR SIMILAR MATERIALS FOR EACH CASE? 

Se Ae YES. 

9 A. LET ME ASK A LITTLE, THEN, THE INFORMATION WAS COLLECTED. 

10 AS IT WERE, IN THIS FORM IN GEORGIA, AND THE INFORMATION WAS 

11 ACTUALLY CODED ONTO THE SUPREME COURT QUESTIONNAIRE IN IOWA? 

12 A. YES. 

13 A. HOW DID YOU SELECT THE STUDENTS TO DO THE CODING? 

14 Ae 1 SELECTED THE STUDENTS ON THE BASIS OF THEIR INTELLIGENCE 

15 AND WILLINGNESS TO DO DIFFICULT DETAIL WORK THAT WOULD REQUIRE 

16 AN INTENSE AMOUNT OF CONCENTRATION. 

17 EACH OF THESE STUDENTS. THEY WERE LAW STUDENTS. 

18 GENERALLY SECOND AND THIRD YEAR LAW STUDENTS, ALL OF THEM HAD 

HAD A BASIC COURSE IN CRIMINAL LAW AND SEVERAL OF THEM HAD HAD 

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20 ADVANCE COURSES IN CRIMINAL LAW. 

21 I PICKED THEM ON THOSE CRITERIA. 

22 a. WERE THEY PAID OR WERE THEY VOLUNTEERS? 

23 A. THEY WERE PAID THE MINIMUM WAGE. THAT IS WHAT THE LAW 

24 STUDENTS WERE PAID AT THAT TIME. 

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CODING THESE QUESTIONNAIRES? 

A. YES. CHARLES PULASKI.» WHO WAS AT THE UNIVERSITY OF IOWA AT 

THAT TIME. AND I. GAVE THESE STUDENTS AN EXTENSIVE BRIEFING ON 

THE LAW UNDERLYING THE STUDY. ON THE PURPOSES OF THE STUDIES, 

AND ALSO WE HAD THE STUDENTS RUN THROUGH DRY RUNS OF THE 

QUESTIONNAIRES. AND WE REVIEWED THEIR WORK. AND THEN -- 

@. LET ME ASK YOU TO CLARIFY THAT. WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY DRY 

RUNS? 

A. THAT IS. WE WOULD ASK EACH ONE OF THEM TO PREPARE A 

QUESTIONNAIRE AND I WOULD CHECK QUESTIONNAIRE AGAINST THE 

ORIGINAL MATERIALS THAT THEY WERE WORKING FROM. AND AFTER THAT 

HAD BEEN DONE. AND IT APPEARED TO ME THAT THE STUDENTS HAD A 

SUFFICIENT GRASP OF WHAT THEY WERE ABOUT, WE THEN COMMENCED, AND 

THE STUDENTS WOULD BE ASSIGNED A FILE AND A QUESTIONNAIRE AND 

THEN THEY WOULD COMPLETE IT. 

Q. WAS THERE ANY CHECKING OF THEIR WORK, ONCE IT WAS 

COMPLETED? | 

A. YES. THE CHECKING WAS DONE BY ME ON A SPOT BASIS. I WOULD 

CHECK EVERY FIFTEENTH OR TWENTIETH QUESTIONNAIRE THAT WAS DONE. 

BUT 1 HAD A STUDENT WHO EMERGED AS THE MOST SKILLFUL AND ABLE, 

HIS NAME WAS RALPH ALLEN, WHO BECAME MY SUPERVISOR AND HE WOULD 

CHECK EACH ONE OF THE QUESTIONNAIRES AGAINST THE UNDERLYING 

FILE. 

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EVERY WEEK, AND THE STUDENTS WOULD COME AND PRESENT QUESTIONS. 

PROBLEMS OF INTERPRETATION THAT THEY MIGHT BE HAVING WITH ANY OF 

THE VARIABLES. AND THEN WE WOULD DISCUSS AMONG OURSELVES WHAT 

THE DIFFERENT APPROACHES WERE THAT WERE TAKEN TO THAT. AMD AT 

EACH POINT ALONG THE WAY, I WOULD HEAR WHAT PEOPLE WERE DOING 

AND DECIDE WHAT THE STANDARD APPROACH WAS. AND THAT‘S THE POLICY 

THAT WE WOULD ADOPT. 

Q. PROFESSOR BALDUS, IF You DISCOVERED DISCREPANCIES BETWEEN 

THE WAYS IN WHICH VARIOUS CODERS HAD INTERPRETED THE QUESTION OR 

DONE CODING DURING THESE MEETINGS -— HOW OFTEN WERE THESE 

MEETINGS HELD? 

Ae AT THE BEGINNING THEY WERE HELD EVERY WEEK, BUT THIS 

PROJECT OF CODING THE QUESTIONNAIRES WENT ON THROUGHOUT THE FALL 

INTO THE NEXT SUMMER. 1980. AND IF -- I“M SORRY. 

a. IM SORRY. I INTERRUPTED MY OWN QUESTION WITH ANOTHER 

QUESTION. BUT IF YOU DISCOVERED DISCREPANCIES, HOW WERE THEY 

DEALT WITH? 

A. IF IT TURNED OUT THERE WAS A DISCREPANCY IN THE WAY THE 

CODERS WERE TREATING A QUESTION, THEY WOULD GO BACK, AFTER WE 

RESOLVED THE ISSUE, THEY WOULD GO BACK AND MAKE SURE THAT THE 

QUESTIONNAIRES THAT HAD BEEN CODED WERE CONSISTENT WITH THE NEW 

RULE. IT WASN‘T THAT BIG OF AN ASSIGNMENT, BECAUSE ANY ONE 

VARIABLE WOULD APPEAR NORMALLY TO BE A QUESTION IN A SMALL 

NUMBER OF CASES. AND STUDENTS WOULD GO BACK AND SIMPLY CHECK 

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CONFORM TO THE RULE. 

a. BY THAT PROCEDURE, WOULD EVERY QUESTIONNAIRE CODED 

EVENTUALLY BE CORRECTED OR TRANSFORMED TO THE SAME CODING 

INSTRUCTIONS THAT YOU DEVELOPED OVER TIME? 

Fra YES: THAT WAS THE OBJECTIVE OF THE PROCEDURE. 

Ql. ALL RIGHT. YOU TESTIFIED EARLIER YESTERDAY THAT THE 

PROCEDURAL REFORM STUDY INVOLVED MORE THAN ONE DATA GATHERING 

OCCASION, THAT YOU HAD STUDENTS GO IN THE FIELD IN GEORGIA IN 

1979. WHEN WAS THE NEXT OCCASION IN WHICH PEOPLE CAME TO 

GEORGIA TO COLLECT ACTUAL DATA? 

Fe IN 1980, I HIRED TWO PEOPLE TO WORK FULLTIME ON THIS 

PROJECT TO CODE QUESTIONNAIRES IN GEORGIA THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE 

FALL SEMESTER. 

QR. AND WHO WERE THOSE PEOPLE? 

Fre THEY WERE EDWARD GATES. AND CATHY CHRISTIAN. 

QR. HOW DID YOU LOCATE THOSE INDIVIDUALS? 

A. THROUGH FRED KYLE“S CONTACTS IN GEORGIA, HE HAD LEARNED 

THAT NORTHEASTERN UNIVERSITY HAS AN EXTERN PROGRAM WHEREBY 

STUDENTS TAKE A SEMESTER OFF FROM THEIR ACADEMIC WORK TO GET 

PRACTICAL EXPERIENCE, AND I THOUGHT THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD SOURCE 

OF PERSONNEL FOR THIS JOB. SO I CALLED NORTHEASTERN AND LEARNED 

THAT CATHY CHRISTIAN WAS WORKING AT NORTHEASTERN. AND WAS 

INTERESTED IN THIS OPPORTUNITY AS PREPARATORY TO HER GOING TO 

LAW SCHOOL. AND I HIRED HER ON THE BASIS OF CHECKING HER 

REFERENCES, AND THEN SHE REFERRED ME TO EDWARD GATES. AND I 

  

  

 



    

    

  

  

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HIRED HIM SUBSERUENTLY. AFTER CHECKING HIS REFERENCES. 

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5 |A. THE CRITERIA WERE THE SAME. THAT IS. A RECORD OF WORK 

a | EXPERIENCE WITH HIGH RECOMMENDATIONS FOR DILIGENCE. ABILITY TO 

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4 |@. HOW DID YOU CHECK THE REFERENCES OF THESE INDIVIDUALS? 

® 2 |a. I CALLED THE FORMER EMPLOYERS’ OF THE TWO PEOPLE AND THEY 

8 | BOTH RECEIVED RAVE REVIEWS FROM THEIR FORMER EMPLOYERS. 

9 |@. YOU INDICATED THAT CATHY CHRISTIANSON WAS WORKING AT 

10 | NORTHEASTERN UNIVERSITY. 

11 DO YOU RECALL IN WHAT CAPACITY? 

12 |A. YES. ACTUALLY, CATHY CHRISTIAN WAS HER NAME. 

13 |@. FORGIVE ME. 

14 |A. SHE WAS IN AN ADMINISTRATIVE CAPACITY, THE PRECISE NATURE 

1S | OF WHICH I DONT RECALL. 

16 Q. DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT ED GATES” EMPLOYMENT HAD BEEN? 

17 A. YES. ED WAS WORKING IN A MEDICAL RESEARCH FACILITY, I 

18 BELIEVE, AT YALE UNIVERSITY AT THE TIME. 

pe 19 a. DID YOU OBTAIN BACKGROUND INFORMATION BEYOND THAT ON THEIR 

20 RESUMES OR INFORMATION ABOUT WHERE THEY HAD BEEN UNDERGRADUATES? 

21 A. CERTAINLY, 1 HAD RECEIVED COPIES OF THEIR RESUMES. AND THEY 

22 BOTH HAD GOOD ACADEMIC BACKGROUNDS. AND THEN I PURSUED -— THE 

23 THING THAT WAS MOST IMPORTANT TO ME WAS WHAT KIND OF RECORD THEY 

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UNDERTOOK THIS WORK. 

(r J8 AFTER YOU HAD IDENTIFIED, THEN. THESE WORKERS FOR THE 1980 

EFFORT THAT YOU WERE GOING TO UNDERTAKE TO COLLECT DATA IN 

GEORGIA. WERE THESE EMPLOYEES GIVEN ANY TRAINING FOR THE 

RESPONSIBILITIES THEY WERE TO UNDERTAKE? 

A. YES: IN THE LATTER PART OF AUGUST, I BELIEVE IT WAS. IN 

1980, I CAME TO GEORGIA AND SPENT FOUR DAYS WORKING WITH ED AND 

CATHY. WE MET IN THE OFFICES OF THE PAROLE BOARD WHERE THE, NO, 

CORRECT THAT. IT WAS IN THE OFFICE OF BOTH THE PAROLE BOARD AND 

OF THE SUPREME COURT. THEY WERE GOING TO BE COLLECTING DATA IN 

BOTH PLACES. I FAMILIARIZED THEM WITH THE DOCUMENTS THEY WOULD 

BE WORKING WITH IN BOTH PLACES. AND THEN WE BEGAN TO DO SOME DRY 

RUNS, AGAIN A DRY RUN IS A PRACTICE RUN, TO FAMILIARIZE THEM 

WITH THE QUESTIONNAIRES. 

BEFORE THEY CAME TO GEORGIA, I HAD SENT EACH ONE OF 

THEM A COPY OF ABSTRACTS OF CASES, TWO CASES, AND HAD REQUESTED 

EACH ONE TO COMPLETE THE QUESTIONNAIRE AND STUDY IT IN DETAIL 

BEFORE THEY CAME, WHICH THEY DID. AND UPON THEIR ARRIVAL, WE 

WENT OVER THEM. IN FACT, THEY HAD BEEN SENT TO ME. IS MY 

RECOLLECTION, AND I HAD REVIEWED WHAT THEY HAD DONE BEFORE I GOT 

THERE SO WE COULD IMMEDIATELY FOCUS ON THE AREAS THAT SEEMED TO 

BE PRESENTING PROBLEMS. 

WE THEN STARTED TO GO THROUGH THE ACTUAL CASES IN THE 

SUPREME COURT AND IN THE PAROLE BOARD AND THEY WOULD PREFARE THE 

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2 Q. ALL RIGHT. DID YOU AT ANY TIME GIVE THEM WRITTEN 

3 INSTRUCTIONS ON HOW TO PROCEED? 

4 Fre YES, I DID. 

3S THE EXPERIENCE I HAD WITH THE STUDENTS AT IOWA HAD 

é RESULTED IN A SERIES OF DECISION RULES THAT THEY WOULD USE TO 

® 7 RESOLVE ISSUES INVOLVING CODING THE SUPREME COURT QUESTIONNAIRE. 

8 @. LET ME JUST ASK YOU TO CLARIFY. BY DECISION RULES YOU MEAN 

v WHAT? 

10 A THAT IS. IF WE FOUND THAT CERTAIN ISSUES AROSE WITH RESPECT 

11 TO CODING PARTICULAR VARIABLES AND WHEN THOSE ISSUES AROSE, WE 

12 WOULD SETTLE THEM IN THE MANNER I DESCRIBED EARLIER. AND WE 

13 WOULD COMMIT THOSE RULES TO WRITING. 

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15 STUDENTS IN IOWA, BUT I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE DESIRABLE TO | 

16 INTEGRATE THAT MATERIAL. TO CREATE A RESTATEMENT. IF YOU WILL, 

17 OF THE RULES THAT HAD DEVELOPED EARLIER. AND I SENT THOSE TO 

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22 GEORGIA. 

23 Gl. LET ME ASK YOU. PROFESSOR BALDUS, TO TURN TO WHAT”S BEEN 

24 MARKED AS DB-34 FOR IDENTIFICATION, AND I“LL ASK YOU IF YOU CAN 

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A. YES, DB-34 IS A MEMO DATED AUGUST 13. 1980, FROM ME TO 

CATHY CHRISTIAN AND ED GATES, AND THE SUBJECT WAS THE COMPLETION 

OF THE QUESTIONNAIRES ON GEORGIA SUPREME COURT CASES. 

@. IS THAT THE SET OF CODING INSTRUCTIONS THAT YOU INDICATED 

EARLIER YOU HAD MEMORIAL IZED? 

A. YES, IT IS. 

a. IF YOU WOULD, TELL ME BRIEFLY WHAT THIS DOCUMENT CONTAINS, 

WHAT ITS STRUCTURE 1S? 

A. IT DESCRIBES FIRST THE SOURCES OF INFORMATION THAT THEY 

WOULD BE DEALING WITH IN THE CODING OF THE SUPREME COURT 

QUESTIONNAIRES. 

IT MAKES REFERENCE TO THOSE MATERIALS IN SOME DETAIL. 

THEN IT PROVIDES AN OVERVIEW OF THE SOURCES OF DATA 

WITH RESPECT TO THEIR RELIABILITY FOR THE PURPOSES OF OUR STUDY. 

THAT 1S. NOT NECESSARILY THE RELIABILITY BUT THE HIERARCHY OF 

SOURCES. 

PAGE 3 OF THIS, I MENTIONED. IF THERE ARE ANY 

INCONSISTENCIES BETWEEN VARIOUS SOURCES OF INFORMATION, THEY 

SHOULD FOLLOW THE ORDER LAID OUT HERE WHERE THE SUPREME COURT 

OPINION TAKES THE HIGHEST PRIORITY AND THE DEPARTMENT OF 

CORRECTIONS TAKES THE LOWEST PRIORITY. 

THEN IT GETS DOWN TO MORE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT THE 

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QA. WERE THERE ANY ATTEMPTS MADE BEYOND THE TRAINING THAT YOU 

HAVE DESCRIBED TO STAY IN TOUCH WITH OR OVERSEE THE DATA 

COLLECTION EFFORT IN 19807 

A. YES. 

QA. CAN YOU DESCRIBE THOSE FOR THE COURT? 

A. YES. DURING THE FIRST MONTH OR SO OF THE OPERATION. I HAD 

A DAILY CONSULTATION WITH ED AND CATHY —— IT WAS USUALLY WITH 

ED, HE BECAME THE SPOKESMAN FOR THE TWO, AND WE HAD A DATE EVERY 

AFTERNOON AT FOUR 0“CLOCK ON THE TELEPHONE FROM EITHER THE 

PAROLE BOARD OR THE ARCHIVES OF THE STATE OF GEORGIA HERE IN 

ATLANTA, AND HE WOULD RAISE ANY ISSUES THAT THEY WERE 

CONFRONTING AT THAT TIME. AND WE WOULD DISCUSS THEM AND THEN I 

WOULD DECIDE WHAT APPROACH WOULD BE TAKEN WITH RESPECT TQ ANY OF 

THESE ISSUES. 

AND AS TIME WENT ON, THE NUMBER OF ISSUES GREW LESS. AS 

IS THE GENERAL EXPERIENCE IN A PROJECT OF THIS TYPE. 

MY RECOLLECTION IS THAT THE LONGEST PERIOD OF TIME NEAR 

THE END THAT I WENT WITHOUT A TELEPHONE CONSULTATION WITH THEM 

WAS ON THE ORDER OF FOUR OR FIVE DAYS, FOUR OR FIVE WORKING 

DAYS. 

Ra LET ME ASK YOU IF YOU HAD A DISCUSSION WITH ED GATES ABOUT 

A CODING QUESTION, AND YOU DISAGREED WITH HIS JUDGMENT ON IT, 

HOW WAS THAT RESOLVED? 

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INTERPRETATION AND THEN I WOULD DECIDE WHAT WE SHOULD DO. 

Q. AND UPON YOUR DECISION. WHAT WOULD HAPPEN? WERE THERE ANY 

INSTRUCTIONS? 

Adi YES, IT WAS TO FOLLOW THE RULE AND TO CONFORM ANY OF THE 

PRIOR QUESTIONNAIRES THAT WERE CODED CONSISTENT WITH THE RULE. 

A. SO ALL PREVIOUS QUESTIONNAIRES THAT HAD BEEN CODED IN ANY 

OTHER FASHION WERE RECHECKED. IS THAT CORRECT? 

A. THAT WAS MY INSTRUCTION, THAT’S CORRECT. 

Q. I NOTE FROM DB-28A. WHICH IS REPLICATED IN THE BOOK AS 

DB-28, THAT IN 1980, THE INSTRUMENT USED FOR CODING BY ED GATES 

AND CATHY CHRISTIAN WAS ACTUALLY MORE THAN ONE INSTRUMENT, IT 

WAS IN FACT TWO INSTRUMENTS. IT SAYS “SUPREME COURT 

QUESTIONNAIRE, PROCEDURAL REFORM STUDY." 

TO WHAT DOES THAT REFER? 

A. THE CASES CODED BY CATHY AND ED WERE DONE WITH TWO 

INSTRUMENTS. 

THERE WERE 87 CASES WHICH ARE LABELED "B" ON DB-23A, 

WHERE THE CASES WERE CODED WITH BOTH THE SUPREME COURT 

QUESTIONNAIRE AND ANOTHER QUESTIONNAIRE. CALLED THE PROCEDURAL 

REFORM STUDY QUESTIONNAIRE. 

Gl. THAT WAS A SEPARATE DATA COLLECTION INSTRUMENT? 

A. YES. 

A. WHEN WAS THAT DEVELOPED? 

A. THAT WAS DEVELOPED DURING THE 1979-1980 ACADEMIC YEAR. 

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Fre BY ME. AND CHARLES PULASKI, AND GEORGE WOODWORTH. 

Qo. FOR WHAT PURPOSE DID YOU DEVELOP THIS ADDITIONAL 

RUESTIONNAIRE? 

A. WELL, WE HAD LEARNED FROM OUR EXPERIENCE WITH FRED KYLE’S 

EFFORTS IN 1979 THAT THE ORIGINAL QUESTIONNAIRE HAD A FORMAT 

THAT MADE IT EXTREMELY TIME CONSUMING TO COMPLETE. AND WE 

WANTED TO SIMPLIFY THE FORMAT FOR THE PURPOSE OF SPEEDING UP THE 

CODING PROCESS. 

ONLY IN THAT WAY, I BELIEVE. COULD WE OBTAIN A 

REASONABLE SAMPLE SIZE WITH THE RESOURCES THAT WE HAD AVAILABLE. 

IN ADDITION. THERE WERE SOME SECTIONS OF THAT 

QUESTIONNAIRE THAT WE FOUND WE WERE UNABLE TO COMPLETE. FOR 

EXAMPLE, YOU’LL NOTE THE ORIGINAL QUESTIONNAIRE —— 

Gl. WHICH IS -- 

A. WHICH IS AT DB-27, THAT WITH RESPECT TO THE AGGRAVATING AND 

MITIGATING FACTORS OF THE CASE, THERE IS A QUESTION THAT FOLLOWS 

EACH SUBSTANTIVE QUESTION THAT ASKS WHETHER THE SENTENCING JURY 

WAS AWARE OR UNAWARE OF THAT INFORMATION. 

WE FOUND THAT IT WAS NOT FEASIBLE. GIVEN THE DOCUMENTS 

THAT WE HAD AVAILABLE TO US IN THE SUPREME COURT. TO MAKE THOSE 

SORTS OF DIFFERENTIATIONS AND WE DROPPED THAT MATERIAL FROM THE 

SUBSEQUENT QUESTIONNAIRE. 

ALSO THERE WAS MATERIAL IN THIS ORIGINAL RUESTIONNAIRE 

CONCERNED WITH SUCH THINGS AS VOIR DIRE THAT WE DECIDED TO 

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3 MATTERS OF THAT SORT WERE STRICKEN FROM THE SUBSEQUENT 

4 QUESTIONNAIRE. 

5S IN ADDITION. WE FOUND THAT THERE WERE DETAILS IN THE 

é CRIGINAL QUESTIONNAIRE THAT WERE NOT NECESSARY FOR THE PURPOSES 

» 7 OF DEFINING GROUPS OF SIMILAR CASES. 

8 I CONCLUDED — 

? Q. CAN YOU GIVE ME SOME EXAMPLES OF THAT? 

10 Ae CERTAINLY. I CONCLUDED THERE WAS EXCESS OF DETAIL IN THE 

11 INSTRUMENT. 

12 IF YOU COULD TURN, YOUR HONOR. TO THE SUPREME COURT 

13 QUESTIONNAIRE, YOU WILL SEE ON PAGES -- 

14 THE COURT: WHATS THE NUMBER? 

15 THE WITNESS: THAT’S DB- —- 

16 MR. BOGER: 27. 

17 THE COURT: ALL RIGHT. 

18 THE WITNESS: ON PAGE 21 OF THAT QUESTIONNAIRE, IT 

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21 IT GETS INTO THE QUESTION OF SHOTS. HOMICIDE BY FIREARMS, OVER 

22 ON PAGE 24, 25, 26, 27. WE FIND HERE SOMETHING ON THE ORDER OF 

23 FIFTEEN CASES CONCERNED WITH THE MINUTE DETAILS OF THE NUMBER OF 

24 SHOTS. AND THE PARTS OF THE BODY INTO WHICH THEY WERE FIRED. 

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2 |A. I’M SORRY. FIFTEEN QUESTIONS. PARDON ME. FIFTEEN 

3 | QUESTIONS DEALING WITH THE INTIMATE DETAILS OF HOW THE WEAPON 

4 | WAS DISCHARGED AND WHERE IT WAS DISCHARGED. 

= WE HAD CODED SOME OF THIS INFORMATION THAT WAS RETURNED 

4 | TO US AND CODED IN IOWA, AND DONE SOME PRELIMINARY ANALYSES. AND 

% 7 | WE SAW THAT THIS INFORMATION PROVIDED VERY LITTLE IN THE WAY OF 

8 | EXPLAINING WHO RECEIVED DEATH SENTENCES AND WHO DIDN‘T, AND 

5 | THEREFORE WE DECIDED TO CONSOLIDATE THIS SECTION INTO A MORE 

10 | ABBREVIATED FORM, SOME FIFTEEN PAGES OF THIS QUESTIONNAIRE ARE 

11 |NOW REDUCED IN THE PROCEDURAL REFORM STUDY TO ONE PAGE. AND, IN 

12 | THAT DOCUMENT. 

13 |@. WHEN YOU SPEAK OF THE PROCEDURAL REFORM STUDY, THAT’S THE 

14 | NAME YOU GAVE TO THE SECOND QUESTIONNAIRE USED IN WHAT’S BEEN 

5 | CALLED OVERALL THE PROCEDURAL REFORM STUDY OR THE FIRST STUDY, 

16 | IS THAT CORRECT? 

17 |A. YES. 

13 Wo. OKAY, LET“S TURN TO DB-35 AND I‘LL ASK YOU TO IDENTIFY THAT 

19 DOCUMENT, HOLDING DB-27 IN HAND AS WELL. . 

20 A. DB-3% IS A COPY OF THE QUESTIONNAIRE THAT WAS USED TO 

21 COLLECT DATA IN THE SECOND STAGE OF THE PROCEDURAL REFORM STUDY. 

22 Qe THIS IS THE REVISED QUESTIONNAIRE THAT YQU- VE BEEN | 

23 TESTIFYING CONCERNING? 

25 A. YES. SIR. 

23 MR. BOGER: YOUR HONOR. I MOVE DB-35 INTO EVIDENCE AT       
  

  

 



  

  

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| MS. WESTMORELAND: NO OBJECTION. YOUR HONOR. 

THE COURT: IT WILL BE RECEIVED. 

MR. BOGER: THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR. (WHEREUPON 

PLAINTIFF'S EXHIBIT NUMBER DB-35 WAS ADMITTED IN EVIDENCE.) 

BY MR. BOGER: 

a. PROFESSOR BALDUS, I NOTE THAT DB-35, AS YOU INDICATED. THIS 

QUESTIONNAIRE, PERHAPS 13, 16, 17 PAGES IN LENGTH, AND THE 

SUPREME COURT QUESTIONNAIRE IS WELL OVER A HUNDRED PAGES. 

HOW MUCH INFORMATION DID YOU LOSE? YOU’VE GIVEN US THE 

ONE EXAMPLE OF LOSING INFORMATION ABOUT HOW LONG RANGE OR SHORT 

RANGE THE SHOT TO THE HEAD OR THE GENITALS OR THE OTHER PARTS OF 

THE BODY WERE, WHAT OTHER INFORMATION DID YOU LOSE IN THIS 

COMPRESSION? 

A. THAT WAS THE ONLY INFORMATION THAT WAS LOST. WAS THAT SORT 

OF DETAIL, PLUS THE INFORMATION ABOUT THE, WHETHER THE JURY WAS 

AWARE OF IT AND THE STATE OF THEIR AWARENESS. THAT INFORMATION 

WAS DROPPED OUT, WE WEREN’T ANSWERING THOSE QUESTIONS. AND 

PROCEDURAL INFORMATION. 

IN FACT, IT INCLUDES INFORMATION ON SOME QUESTIONS THAT 

WERENT INCLUDED IN THE SUPREME COURT QUESTIONNAIRE. THERE WERE 

A FEW. IN FACT, IN SPITE OF THAT VOLUME IN THE SUPREME COURT 

QUESTIONNAIRE THAT WE FOUND THERE WERE A FEW MATTERS THAT 

APPEARED THAT WE THOUGHT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO INCLUDE. 

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MIGHT HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHAT’S HAPPENING. 

MR. BOGER: SURE, YOUR HONOR. 

THE COURT: I WOULD SUPPOSE THAT ALL OF THOSE SORTS OF 

QUESTIONS THAT MR. BOGER WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT THAT YOU DROPPED 

PROBABLY WOULD BE RELATED ONLY TO THE AGGRAVATING CIRCUMSTANCE 

OR THE SPECIALLY VILE, GIVE ME THE WORDS, YOU KNOW WHAT I’M 

TALKING ABOUT. 

MR. BOGER: OUTRAGEOUSLY VILE OR HORRIBLE. 

THE COURT: SHOW ME IN THE NEW STUDY WHERE YOU GATHERED 

INFORMATION THAT MIGHT RELATE TO THE WAY IN WHICH THE HOMICIDE 

WAS COMMITTED. 

THE WITNESS: CERTAINLY. 

THE FIRST QUESTION THAT DEALS WITH THAT. YOUR HONOR. IS 

ON PAGE &, TALKS ABOUT WHERE THE HOMICIDE OCCURRED. QUESTION 23. 

QUESTION 24 CONCERNS WHETHER THERE WAS A 

CONTEMPORANEOUS OFFENSE. THAT MATERIAL IN QUESTION 26 COVERED 

ABOUT THREE OR FOUR PAGES IN THE OTHER QUESTIONNAIRE. 

THE, 27 CONCERNS THE DEFENDANTS MOTIVE. THAT 

COMPRESSED 8 TO 10 PAGES IS MY RECOLLECTION. MATERIAL IN THE 

OTHER QUESTIONNAIRE. 

SPECIAL PRECIPITATING EVENTS IS ON 28. 

29 IS THE METHOD OF KILLING. 

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@. YOU’RE SPEAKING OF 29, NOW. THAT'S ITEM 29 ON PAGE 3 OF 

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A. YES. 29. PAGE 8S. 

THE COURT: WAIT JUST A SECOND. 

THE WITNESS: THE METHOD OF KILLING. 

THE COURT: ALL RIGHT. 

BY MR. BOGER: 

Q. EXCUSE ME. PROFESSOR BALDUS, ARE THERE ANY CHANGES ACHIEVED 

BETWEEN THE SUPREME COURT QUESTIONNAIRE. AND THE PROCEDURAL 

REFORM QUESTIONNAIRE. SIMPLY BY WAY OF FORMAT DIFFERENCES. THAT 

ACCOUNT FOR DIFFERENCES IN LENGTH? 

A. YES, THE. A PRINCIPAL REASON WHY THE OTHER QUESTIONNAIRE 

WAS SO LONG IS THAT THE CODERS WERE EXPECTED TO MAKE THE YES-NO 

ENTRY WITH RESPECT THE EACH ONE OF THE EVENTS THAT MIGHT HAVE 

OCCURRED. 

FOR EXAMPLE ON PAGE 8, QUESTION 29 OF DB-33, YOU CAN 

SEE THAT THERE ARE TWENTY-FIVE, APPROXIMATELY. CHOICES THAT ONE 

HAS. AND IN THE EARLIER QUESTIONNAIRE THE CODERS WERE REQUIRED 

TO MAKE A ENTRY FOR EACH ONE OF THOSE TO INDICATE WHETHER THEY 

OCCURRED. 

HERE, IF ONLY ONE OF THESE OCCURRED AS THE SOURCE OF 

| THE KILLING, CAUSE OF THE KILLING, RATHER, THEY WOULD JUST MAKE 

ONE ENTRY. 

THE COURT: LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION, SO I CAN COME TO | 

A FEELING OF HOW YOU WORKED THIS. 

ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE RECORD IN THE COURT 

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 THE WITNESS: IVE READ SOME OF THAT CASE. YES, SOME OF 

2 | THE RECORD OF IT. 

3 THE COURT: 1 BELIEVE. AND YOU CORRECT ME. MR. BOGER., 

4 | IF I MISSTATE THE EVIDENCE. THAT THE SUPREME COURT‘S STATEMENT 

Ss | OF FACTS WOULD INDICATE THAT MR. MCCORQUODALE FIRST STRANGLED 

6 | THE VICTIM WITH A ROPE, THEN WITH HIS HANDS. AND AFTER SHE WAS 

» 7 | DEAD. STOMPED OR BEAT OR WHATEVER, TO MAKE THE BODY FIT INTO A 

8 | BOX. 

9 UNDER PAGE 8, NUMBER 29.» HOW WOULD THAT BE CODED? 

10 THE WITNESS: WELL, IT WOULD BE CODED STRANGULATION 

11 |WITH HANDS WOULD BE CODED NUMBER 8. 

12 STRANGULATION WITH ROPES —- 

13 |BY MR. BOGER: 

14 |@. PROFESSOR BALDUS, TO BE CLEAR ON THIS, WHAT WOULD YOU DO 

15 |WITH THAT? 

16 |A. 1 SEE WHAT YOU MEAN. YOU SEE OVER THERE. YOUR HONOR, 

17 QUESTION 29, THERE ARE WHAT WE CALL FOILS. THEY’RE A, B., C, D. 

18 Q. AND THAT’S IN WHAT PART OF THE DOCUMENT? 

19 A. PAGE 8 OF THE DOCUMENT, ON THE RIGHTHAND SIDE OF THAT PAGE. 

20 THOSE NUMBERS 28 AND 29, 30 AND 31, ET CETERA. THAT 

21 TELLS YOU WHERE ON THE I.B.M. CARD THAT INFORMATION WILL BE 

22 ENTERED WHEN IT“S FINALLY PUT INTO THE COMPUTER, ON S8O0-FIELD 

23 CARD. 

24 IF THE CODER WOULD READ A CASE. AND IT WOULD SAY 

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FIRST CATEGORY. 

IF THERE WAS ALSO STRANGULATION WITH ROPES. THEY 

WOULD ENTER NUMBER 10. 

IF IT ALSO INVOLVED A GUNSHOT WOUND OR IN THE CASE OF 

MCCORQUODALE, KNIFE WOUND, A "2" WOULD BE ENTERED AS WELL. 

BY MR. BOGER: 

Q. PROFESSOR BALDUS, -— 

| THE COURT: WHAT I“M TRYING TO GET AT IS IF THE STUDENT 

DID IT RIGHT, HE WOULD HAVE CODED ALL OF THE DIFFERENT MEANS BY 

WHICH THE HOMICIDE WAS COMMITTED, NOT JUST MAKING A VALUE 

JUDGMENT ON WHICH ONE WAS THE CAUSE OF DEATH OR THAT SORT OF 

THING. 

THE WITNESS! THATS RIGHT, YOUR HONOR. 

THE COURT: ALL RIGHT. 

THE WITNESS: S0 THEY WOULD ALL BE ENTERED. 

BY MR. BOGER: 

QR. LET ME ASK YOU, PROFESSOR BALDUS. IF IN FACT. WAS THERE 

ANYWAY TO CAPTURE INFORMATION ON THE CAUSE OF DEATH. OR THE 

METHOD OF KILLING, IF MORE THAN FOUR METHODS WERE EMPLOYED. IF 

MORE THAN FOUR WERE APPLICABLE? 

A. YES. THE, ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT DOCUMENTS THAT OUR 

CODERS PRODUCED WAS THE NARRATIVE SUMMARY OF THE CASE. AND TO MY 

KNOWLEDGE IN PREVIOUS RESEARCH OF THIS TYPE, PEOPLE WOULD GO 

LOOK AT THE FILES AND CODE THE DOCUMENT, CODE THE QUESTIONNAIRE, 

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FOUND FROM LOOKING AT DENNIS YORK’S SUMMARIES WE COULD GET A 

TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF INFORMATION PACKED INTO A VERY SMALL 

DOCUMENT. LITTLE ONE-PAGE SUMMARY THAT HE HAD. 

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13 AND AS YOU CAN SEE ON PAGE 16 OF THIS QUESTIONNAIRE. 

14 YOUR HONOR, DB-3S, THE LAYOUT HERE FOR THE WRITING OF THE 

15 SUMMARY. AND YOU’LL SEE AT THE END, IT SAYS, “PLEASE HIGHLIGHT 

16 FACTORS NOT COVERED IN THE ANSWERS TO THE PRECEDING QUESTION." 

+7 WE HAD NO ILLUSION THAT OUR QUESTIONNAIRE COULD CAPTURE 

18 EVERY NUANCE OF EVERY CASE. BUT WE WANTED TO BE ABLE RECORD 

12 THAT SOMEHOW. 

20 S0. WE ENTERED THAT INFORMATION ON THESE 

21 QUESTIONNAIRES, SUMMARIES. 

22 Q. WERE THOSE SUMMARIES PRESERVED FOR YOUR STUDY? 

23 A. YES. 

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1 |A. YES. 

2 MR. BOGER: I WANT TO, IF I MIGHT, YOUR HONOR. TO 

3 | DIGRESS MOMENTARILY. 

3 PROFESSOR BALDUS HAD DISCUSSED THE CODING INSTRUCTIONS 

S | THAT WERE GIVEN TO CATHY CHRISTIAN AND ED GATES AS DB-34. LET 

6 | ME MOVE THAT DOCUMENT‘S ADMISSION INTO EVIDENCE AT THIS TIME. 

Rr 7 THE COURT: THAT’S THE WRITTEN INSTRUCTIONS THAT HE 

8 |SENT ALONG? 

p MR. BOGER: THATS CORRECT. YOUR HONOR. 

10 ‘MS. WESTMORELAND: YOUR HONOR, INSOFAR AS ONLY 

11 |RECOGNIZING THAT PROFESSOR BALDUS HAS GIVEN THESE INSTRUCTIONS, 

12 | WE ARE NOT AGREEING THAT THEY MIGHT HAVE BEEN RECEIVED OR 

( 13 | FOLLOWED» WITH THAT LIMITATION ON THE DOCUMENT ITSELF, I SEE NO 

14 |OBJECTION TO IT. 

15 THE COURT: ALL RIGHT, THEY WILL BE ADMITTED. 

16 MR. BOGER: THANKS YOU, YOUR HONOR. (WHEREUPON 

17 | PLAINTIFF‘S EXHIBIT DB-34 WAS ADMITTED IN EVIDENCE.) 

18 |BY MR. BOGER:   % 19 @. PROFESSOR BALDUS, LET ME DO A FOLLOWUP QUESTION ON THAT 

20 | SCORE, HOWEVER. | 

21 DID YOU EVER DISCUSS WITH MR. GATES OR MISS CHRISTIAN 

22 ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THEY RECEIVED THESE DOCUMENTS? 

23 A. YES. 1 PERSONALLY DELIVERED THEM TO THEM AT ONE TIME. WHEN 

24 I ARRIVED IN GEORGIA. I SENT THEM EARLIER AND I SENT ADDITIONAL | 

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1 DOCUMENT. 

2 QA. SO YOU’RE IN POSITION WHERE YOU ALL THREE WERE TOGETHER 

WITH THE DOCUMENT IN HAND? 

A. YES. FOUR DAYS. 

@. OKAY. THANK YOU. 

3 

4 

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é PROFESSOR BALDUS, YOU DESCRIBED WHY IT WAS THAT YOU HAD 

7 MOVED FROM THE SUPREME COURT QUESTIONNAIRE TO THE PROCEDURAL 

8 REFORM STUDY QUESTIONNAIRE. 

9 WHAT DID ED GATES AND CATHY CHRISTIAN THEN DO THAT 

10 SECOND SUMMER? DID THEY CODE ONE OR THE OTHER? 

11 Fhe WELL, ACTUALLY. MR. BOGER. IT WAS IN THE FALL. 

12 Qe FORGIVE ME. 

13 A. ALL RIGHT. FALL OF 1980. AND FOR 87 CASES, WHICH ARE 

14 IDENTIFIED AS GROUP B ON DB-28A, THEY COMPLETED A SUPREME COURT 

135 QUESTIONNAIRE AND A PROCEDURAL REFORM STUDY QUESTIONNAIRE. 

16 THOSE WERE COMPLETED IN THE SUPREME COURT FILES. 

17 XR. NOW. YOU HAVE TESTIFIED THAT IN THE 197% DATA COLLECTION 

18 EFFORT WHAT IN FACT WAS DONE BY CODERS IN GEORGIA WAS TO DICTATE 

19 A NARRATIVE SUMMARY WHICH WAS SENT BACK TO IOWA AND CODED IN | 

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21 WAS THE SAME PROCEDURE FOLLOWED IN 19807 

22 A. NO. IN 1980, CATHY AND ED CODED THE QUESTIONNAIRES, THAT 

23 1S, THEY COMPLETED THE QUESTIONNAIRES ON THE SCENE, IN THE 

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BETWEEN THE 87 CASES IN WHICH THERE WERE CODING BY BOTH 

INSTRUMENTS, AND AS WE NOTE IN "ge OF THE PROCEDURAL REFORM 

STUDY CHART. OUR DB-28A. A CATEGORY IN WHICH APPARENTLY ONLY THE 

PROCEDURAL REFORM STUDY QUESTIONNAIRE. THE SECOND QUESTIONNAIRE. 

WAS USED? 

A. THE CASES IN CATEGORIES A AND B CONSTITUTE A POPULATION OF 

330 CASES WHICH WERE APPEALED TO THE GEORGIA SUPREME COURT, AND 

DECIDED BY THAT COURT ON OR BEFORE JUNE 30, 1978. 

WE AT THAT TIME WERE INTERESTED IN RE-EXAMINING CASES 

| FOR, FOR THE ISSUE OF PROPORTIONALITY REVIEW. AND THAT WAS A 

SEPARATE SET OF CASES, CODED IN THE SUPREME COURT FORMAT THAT WE 

INTENDED TO USE FOR SPECIFIC ANALYSIS OF HOW THE SUPREME COURT 

CONDUCTED PROPORTIONALITY REVIEW. 

IN ADDITION, WE WANTED TO USE THOSE CASES PLUS THE 

OTHER 264 CASES TO BE ABLE HAVE A FILE WHICH INCLUDED ALL MURDER 

CASES. DURING THIS PERIOD. WHETHER OR NOT THEY HAD BEEN APPEALED 

TO THE GEORGIA SUPREME COURT, SO THAT WE COULD EVALUATE 

QUESTIONS OF DISCRIMINATION AND ARBITRARINESS AS IT AFFECTED ALL 

CASES, NOT SIMPLY THOSE THAT HAD BEEN APPEALED. 

THE CASES IN GROUP A AND B OF DB-28A, ARE SIMPLY CASES 

THAT HAVE BEEN APPEALED TO THE GEORGIA SUPREME COURT. 

Q. THAT WAS A SUBSET OF CASES ON WHICH YOU WANTED TO EXAMINE 

ONE OF THESE TRIFURCATED QUESTIONS YOU HAD PREVIOUSLY 

IDENTIFIED? 

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 THE COURT: LET ME MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND. THE 

2 CONVERSE BEING THAT "C" CASES. THE 264 CASES IN "C" WERE NOT 

3 APPEALED. 

4 THE WITNESS: SOME OF THEM WERE APPEALED. YOUR HONOR. 

5 BECAUSE THE WAY WE DEFINED THE UNIVERSE SOME OF THE CASES IN 

é THAT GROUP HAD ALSO BEEN APPEALED. BECAUSE THAT GROUP OF CASES, 

% 7 EXTENDED TO A LATER TIME. 

8 TO EXPLAIN PRECISELY, THE CASES IN A AND B MUST HAVE 

9 BEEN APPEALED, HAD THE APPEAL DECIDED BY JUNE 30, “78. 

10 THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE WAS DEFINED IN TERMS OF PEOPLE WHO 

11 WERE ARRESTED FOR THEIR CRIME BEFORE JUNE 30, “78. SO A NUMBER 

12 OF THOSE CASES RESULTED IN LATER CONVICTIONS THAT WERE APPEALED. 

13 BUT ALSO. THERE WERE A NUMBER OF CASES THAT HAD RESULTED IN 

14 |CONVICTIONS BEFORE JUNE 30, “78 THAT HAD NOT BEEN APPEALED. AND 

15 | SOME THAT HAD RESULTED FROM ARRESTS AND CONVICTIONS AFTER ‘78 

16 | AND HAD BEEN APPEALED. 

17 SO, BASICALLY, IT REPRESENTED A BROAD EXTENSION OF THE 

18 | POPULATION AND PICKED UP BOTH APPEALED AND UNAPPEALED CASES. 

19 BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY IT PICKED UP ALL THE UNAPPEALED 

20 |CASES THAT PARALLELED THE 330 IN GROUPS A AND B THAT HAD BEEN 

21 APPEALED. 

22 |BY MR. BOGER: 

23  |@. NOW, I ALSO NOTE ON DB-28A., AND IN DB-28 FIGURE 2 IN DUR 

24 |EVIDENCE BOOK THAT IT INDICATES THAT THERE ARE SOME CASES THAT 

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CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT? 

A. YES. THERE WERE APPROXIMATELY 80 CASES THAT WE DID NOT 

COMPLETE THE CODING ON DURING THE FALL OF 1980. AND THOSE CASES 

WERE SUBSEQUENTLY CODED IN 1981 WHEN WE UNDERTOOK OUR SECOND 

DATA COLLECTION EFFORT. 

SO THE CONSEQUENCE WAS THAT THIS ENTIRE FILE WAS NOT 

PUT TOGETHER UNTIL THE FALL OF 1981. 

@. DID YOU USE DIFFERENT CODERS FOR THE 1981 PORTION OF THE 

PROCEDURAL REFORM STUDY QUESTIONNAIRE? 

A. NO, THAT CODING WAS ALL DONE BY ED GATES. 

@. ALL RIGHT. SO IN OTHER WORDS, I NOTE ON YOUR CHART THAT ED 

GATES AND CATHY CHRISTIAN ARE NOTED AS DATA GATHERERS FORTH “C" 

PORTION, PROCEDURAL REFORM STUDY ONLY PORTION, OF THE DATA 

GATHERING, IT SAYS. DATE. 1980-/81. 

MISS CHRISTIAN DID NOT ENGAGE IN THE “81 CLEANUP OF THE 

LAST EIGHTY CASES. IS THAT CORRECT? 

A. NO. SHE DID NOT, TO THE BEST OF MY RECOLLECTION. NO, SHE 

MAY HAVE, MY RECOLLECTION IS THAT SHE MAY HAVE BEEN HERE IN 

GEORGIA FOR THE FIRST MONTH OR SO OF JANUARY OF 1981, AND HAD 

DONE A LITTLE WORK JUST FINISHING UP WHAT HAD BEEN DONE BEFORE. 

BUT THOSE EIGHTY CASES THAT HAD BEEN MISSED AND HADN’T BEEN 

COMPLETED, SHE HAD NO ROLE IN CODING THEM. 

@. DID MR. GATES FOLLOW THE SAME PROCEDURES IN 1981, TO YOUR 

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3 WERE NOT EXTENSIVE. BECAUSE ED GATES HAD TREMENDOUS CONTROL OVER 

4 THIS CODING PROCESS BY THAT POINT. 

3 BUT WE DID DISCUSS THESE CASES WHENEVER ANY ISSUES 

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% 7 Qe. NOW. WE“RE GOING TO DISCUSS DATA ENTRY ON THE COMPUTERS AT 

8 A LATER MOMENT. BUT THERE’S ONE MATTER THAT SEEMS TO ME TO 

9 LOGICALLY FALL HERE. 

10 YOU HAVE NOW COLLECTED DATA ON WHAT LOOKS LIKE 954 

11 CASES, WHICH, EXCUSE ME, 594 CASES, BUT YOU‘VE USED ONE DATA 

12 COLLECTION INSTRUMENT FOR 243 OF THEM, YOU USED ANOTHER DATA 

13 COLLECTION INSTRUMENT FOR 244 AND You HAVE USED BOTH DATA 

14 COLLECTION INSTRUMENTS ON 87. 

15 HOW WAS IT POSSIBLE TO, WITH THESE DIFFERENT KINDS OF 

16 QUESTIONNAIRES TO ASSEMBLE ONE FILE FOR ANALYSIS? 

17 A. IT WAS ESSENTIAL THAT THE DATA ALL BE CODED IN THE SAME 

18 FORMAT TO BE ABLE TO ANALYZE ALL THESE CASES. 

XQ. LET ME CLARIFY, PROFESSOR BALDUS. YOU USED THE WORD 

20 "CODE." NOW WE“VE TALKED ABOUT THE WORD "CODE" TO MEAN ENTER 

21 | ITEMS ON THE QUESTIONNAIRE. 

22 ARE YOU USING THE CODE IN A DIFFERENT SENSE? 

23 A. 1M USING THE CODE IN THE SENSE OF THE FORMAT THAT THE   
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THEY FOLLOWED ANOTHER FORMAT. THE SAME INFORMATION IS THERE BUT 

THEY“VE GOT A DIFFERENT FORMAT. 

TO BE ABLE DO A MACHINE ANALYSIS YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN 

IDENTICAL FORMAT. SO IT WAS ESSENTIAL FOR US TO TAKE THE 

INFORMATION ON THESE 243 CASES AND TRANSFER IT INTO THE FORMAT 

THAT WAS USED ON THE CASES IN B AND C OF DB-28A. 

AND THAT WAS DONE WITH A COMPUTER PROGRAM. I WROTE THE 

SPECIFICATIONS FOR THE PROGRAM WHICH IDENTIFIED THE 

EQUIVALENCIES OF THE VARIABLES OR THE EQUIVALENCIES OF THE 

QUESTIONS, RATHER. IN THE SUPREME COURT QUESTIONNAIRE. AND 

LINKED THEM UP TO THE QUESTIONS IN THE PROCEDURAL REFORM 

RUESTIONNAIRE. 

a. HOW DID YOU DO THAT. SPECIFICALLY? 

A. I WENT THROUGH EVERY QUESTION IN THE SUPREME COURT 

QUESTIONNAIRE AND FOUND ITS MATCH IN THE PROCEDURAL REFORM 

QUESTIONNAIRE. IT WAS ON THE BASIS OF THAT EXERCISE THAT I 

REALIZED THAT THE INFORMATION IN THE SUPREME COURT QUESTIONNAIRE 

WAS SUBSTANTIALLY CONTAINED IN THE PROCEDURAL REFORM 

RUESTIONNAIRE. 

THEN PROFESSOR WOODWORTH HAD A PROGRAM WRITTEN AND THE 

COMPUTER MADE THE TRANSFORMATION OF THE DATA FROM ONE FORMAT. TO 

THE OTHER. 

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A. YES, WITH ONE SMALL ADDITION. 

WE HAD TO ADD TO THE FILE THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAD 

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12 PROFESSOR WOODWORTH. THEN WE HAD A COMPLETE FILE ON EACH CASE. 

13 Ql YOU TALKED ABOUT MERGER. HOW WAS THAT ACCOMPLISHED? 

14 A. THAT WAS DONE BY PROFESSOR WOODWORTH THROUGH A COMPUTER 

15 PROGRAM THAT LINKED UP THE CASES IN THE TWO STUDIES TO MAKE A 

16 SEPARATE FILE FOR EACH, SO THAT THE INFORMATION WE HAD OBTAINED 

17 EITHER FROM THE SUPREME COURT AND PAROLE BOARD WHICH FOCUSED ON 

i8 THE CHARACTERISTICS OF THE OFFENSE, THAT INFORMATION WAS LINKED 

4 19 UP FOR EACH OFFENDER IN THE FILE THAT FOCUSED ON THE RECORD OF 

20 THE OFFENDER AND THE INFORMATION CONCERNING THE PERSONAL 

21 CHARACTERISTICS OF THE OFFENDER TYPE OF INFORMATION THAT WAS 

22 AVAILABLE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS FILES. 

23 Ql. NOW. YOU MENTIONED YESTERDAY IN YOUR TESTIMONY THAT SOURCES 

24 OF THE DATA FOR THE PROCEDURAL REFORM STUDY, INCLUDED NOT ONLY 

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CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT INFORMATION THEY PROVIDED? 

A. YES. IN A NUMBER OF CASES, WE DID NOT KNOW THE STATUS OF 

THE DEFENSE COUNSEL. THAT IS, WHETHER THE ATTORNEY HAD BEEN 

APPOINTED OR RETAINED. 

ALSO IN A NUMBER OF CASES, WE DID NOT KNOW WHETHER 

THERE HAD BEEN A PENALTY TRIAL. 

IN UNAPPEALED CASES, OUR ONLY RECORD WAS THE RECORD IN 

THE DEPARTMENT OF PARDONS AND PAROLES. AND THE INVESTIGATORS WHO 

PUT TOGETHER THE FILES IN THE DEPARTMENT OF PARDONS AND PAROLES 

ARE BY AND LARGE NOT SENSITIVE TO THE PROCEDURAL DEVELOPMENT OF 

THE CASE IN THE COURT SYSTEM. SO IF A PERSON RECEIVED A LIFE 

SENTENCE AS A RESULT OF A MURDER CONVICTION, THE RECORD 

GENERALLY WOULD NOT INDICATE WHETHER THERE HAD BEEN A PENALTY 

TRIAL. AND EVEN IF IT DID SUGGEST IT, WE DID NOT FEEL THAT THAT 

WAS A PARTICULARLY RELIABLE SOURCE OF INFORMATION ON A TECHNICAL 

PROCEDURAL QUESTION OF THAT TYPE. 

S0, FOR THOSE CASES, WE FELT IT INCUMBENT TO GET VALID 

INFORMATION TO SEND LETTERS TO ATTORNEYS AND TO DISTRICT 

ATTORNEYS TO TRY AND ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS. 

QR. DID YOU DEVELOP SOME REGULAR FORMAT FOR SOLICITING THAT 

INFORMATION? 

A. YES, WE DEVELOPED A SERIES OF LETTERS AND QUESTIONNAIRES 

THAT WE SENT TQ DEFENSE ATTORNEYS AND PROSECUTORS. 

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AND IT WOULD ALSO INDICATE WHO THE PROSECUTOR HAD BEEN IN THE 

CASE. SO WHEN WE WOULD SEND THE COMMUNICATION TO THE 

PROSECUTOR, VERY OFTEN WE WOULD FIND THE PERSON WAS NO LONGER 

THE PROSECUTOR. AND THEY WOULD REFER US TO THE INCUMBENT AND 

THATS HOW WE WOULD GET THE INFORMATION IN THOSE CASES. 

IF WE SENT IT TO DEFENSE COUNSEL, THEN THEY WOULD 

ANSWER IT ON THE BASIS OF THEIR RECORDS. 

Q. LET ME ASK YOU TO TURN TO DB~34& FOR IDENTIFICATION AND ASK 

YOU TO IDENTIFY THOSE DOCUMENTS, IF YOU CAN? 

Ae YES. THIS IS A SAMPLE OF A LETTER SENT TO DEFENSE COUNSEL 

IN A PARTICULAR CASE REQUESTING INFORMATION ON A DEFENDANT BY 

NAME OF CHARLES YOUNG WHOM THE PAROLE BOARD FILES INDICATED HAD 

BEEN REPRESENTED BY THE ADDRESSEE OF THIS LETTER, WILLIAM HILL. 

AND MR. HILL RETURNED THE QUESTIONNAIRE, WHICH IS THE 

SECOND, PAGE OF THIS, INDICATING THAT HE HAD BEEN RETAINED. THAT 

THERE HAD BEEN NO PENALTY TRIAL, GIVING THE REASON WHY THERE HAD 

BEEN NO PENALTY TRIAL. 

Re DID YOU TELL DEFENSE COUNSEL OR THE PROSECUTORS PRECISELY 

WHAT THE RESEARCH OBJECTIVES OF YOUR STUDY WERE? 

A. WELL, IT INDICATES THAT WE ARE CONDUCTING A SENTENCE OF HOW 

GEORGIA COURTS ADMINISTER THE GEORGIA DEATH SENTENCING STATUTE 

IN MURDER CASES. THAT’S WHAT WE INFORMED THEM OF, AND WHO WAS 

FUNDING THE RESEARCH, AND WHERE ELSE WE HAD OBTAINED 

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BUT WE JUST NEEDED THIS LITTLE BIT OF ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. 

Q. DID YOU GIVE THEM ANYMORE INFORMATION ABOUT YOUR 

OBJECTIVES? FOR EXAMPLE. WHAT YOU HOPED TQ SHOW, WHAT YOU 

EXPECTED THE OUTCOMES TQ BE, THAT SORT OF, OR WHAT IN EFFECT THE 

SIGNIFICANCE OF THE INFORMATION THEY WOULD BE PROVIDING TO YOU 

WOULD BE FOR THE OVERALL STUDY? 

A. NO. 

Q. LET ME ASK YOU TO LOOK BEYOND THE FIRST TWO PAGES OF WHATS 

BEEN MARKED AS DB-34 AND ASK YOU TO IDENTIFY THAT DOCUMENT? 

IT WILL BE THE THIRD PAGE. 

A. THE THIRD PAGE OF DB-347? 

Qe THATS CORRECT? 

A. THAT’S AN ALTERNATIVE FORM THAT WAS SENT TO DEFENSE 

ATTORNEYS. WE USED, WE WANTED TO SAVE RESOURCES. AND WE 

COMBINED THE QUESTIONS ONTO THE SAME PAGE WITH THE LETTER. 

THAT'S WHY THIS FOLLOWS A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT FORMAT. BUT IT ASKS 

THE EXACT SAME QUESTIONS. 

Q. IN OTHER WORDS, YOU USED MORE THAN ONE FORMAT OF QUESTIONS 

OVER THE PERIOD OF TIME? HOW LONG WERE THESE LETTERS SENT OUT? 

WAS THIS DONE IN A MATTER OF WEEKS OR —— 

A. NO, THIS IS A PROCESS THAT WENT ON FOR THREE YEARS, THREE 

AND A HALF YEARS COLLECTING THIS INFORMATION. 

Qe WERE ANY SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES MADE IN THE QUESTIONS THAT 

WERE PUT TO THE PROSECUTORS. THE DEFENSE COUNSELS. OR IN THE 

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A. NO. THOSE ARE THE ONLY THREE QUESTIONS WE EVER ADDRESSED TO 

2. LET ME ASK YOU TO LOOK AT THE THIRD DOCUMENT IN DB-36 AND 

WE‘LL GO BRIEFLY THROUGH THEM. BUT I WANT YOU TO IDENTIFY THEM. 

THIS IS A DOCUMENT DATED SEPTEMBER 14. 1981. 

A. YES, THIS IS A COPY OF A LETTER SENT TO A DISTRICT ATTORNEY 

WHO HAD, WHO THE RECORDS INDICATED HAD PROSECUTED THIS CASE TO 

ASK WHETHER THERE HAD BEEN A PENALTY TRIAL IN THE CASE. 

THIS WAS THE FORMAT THAT WE WERE USING AT THIS TIME TO 

SOLICIT THIS INFORMATION FROM DISTRICT ATTORNEYS. 

9. WERE THERE SOME CASES IN WHICH YOU KNEW THE STATUS OF THE 

DEFENSE COUNSEL AND THEREFORE WOULD ASK ONLY THE QUESTION ABOUT 

PENALTY, OR DID YOU ALWAYS ASK BOTH QUESTIONS? HOW WAS THAT 

DONE? 

A. NO, THE, WE SENT OUR FIRST INQUIRY TO THE DEFENSE ATTORNEY. 

FREQUENTLY, THE DEFENSE ATTORNEY WAS NOT TO BE FOUND, OR THE 

ADDRESS, WE COULDNT FIND THE DEFENSE ATTORNEY. THEN WE WOULD 

SEND THE LETTER TO THE PROSECUTOR. WE WOULD ONLY SEND AN 

INQUIRY RELATED TO THE INFORMATION WE DIDNT HAVE. OUR 

OBJECTIVE WAS TO GET AS MANY ANSWERS AS WE COULD, AND MAKE THE 

QUESTIONNAIRES AS SHORT AS POSSIBLE. AND SO EACH LETTER WAS 

TAILORED TO THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAD IN THE FILE. AND WHETHER 

OR NOT WE KNEW WHO THE DEFENSE ATTORNEY WAS. IF WE DIDN’T KNOW 

THE DEFENSE ATTORNEY. WE WOULD SEND A LETTER TO THE PROSECUTOR. 

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A. WELL, THE NEXT THREE DOCUMENTS —- 

QR. WITHIN DB-36, PROFESSOR BALDUS? 

A. YES, THE NEXT DOCUMENT THAT STARTS "THIS IS TO REQUEST YOUR 

ASSISTANCE" IS AN ALTERNATIVE FORM OF LETTER, SENT TO DEFENSE 

COUNSEL REQUESTING INFORMATION SIMPLY ABOUT THE STATUS OF 

DEFENSE COUNSEL IN THAT CASE. THAT MEANT WE HAD INFORMATION ON 

WHETHER THERE HAD BEEN A PENALTY TRIAL AND ALL WE WANTED 

INFORMATION ON WAS WHETHER OR NOT THE PERSON HAD BEEN APPOINTED 

OR RETAINED. 

THE NEXT PAPER. AGAIN, IS A LETTER SENT TO DISTRICT 

ATTORNEYS. 

AND THE FOLLOWING ONE IS THE SORT OF FOLLOWUP LETTER WE 

WOULD SEND. 

WE FOUND THAT THE DEFENSE ATTORNEYS AND PROSECUTORS 

WERE VERY HELPFUL IN RESPONDING TO THE QUESTIONNAIRES, BUT CFTEN 

A FOLLOWUP LETTER WOULD INCREASE THE RETURN RATE SUBSTANTIALLY. 

80 WE SENT THE RETURN, FOLLOWUP LETTERS FREQUENTLY. 

a. WHAT ARE THE LAST THREE —— 

A. THE LAST THREE ARE THE VERY EARLIEST QUESTIONNAIRES THAT WE 

SENT OUT TO PROSECUTORS IN 1979. AND ONE OF THEM IS A BLANK AND 

THE LAST TWO ARE AN EXAMPLE OF THE FORM OF THE ANSWERS THAT UWE 

WOULD RECEIVE ON THESE QUESTIONNAIRES THAT THEY WERE RETURNED. 

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AND THE NEXT ONE IN THE DAYS OF DANNY MARTIN, WE 

OBTAINED THE SAME INFORMATION. 

a. PROFESSOR BALDUS. DO YOU KNOW OF ANY OTHER EXAMPLES OF THE 

DIFFERENT FORMATS THAT WERE USED IN SOLICITING THIS INFORMATION 

FROM PROSECUTORS OR DEFENSE COUNSEL DURING THIS 3-YEAR PERIOD? 

A. NO. AS A RESULT OF THE SEARCH I DID OF MY RECORDS RECENTLY 

IN ANTICIPATION OF THIS TESTIMONY, THESE ARE THE EXAMPLES I WAS 

ABLE TO FIND. ; 

MR. BOGER: YOUR HONOR. I MOVE DB-36 INTO EVIDENCE AS 

EXAMPLES OF THE FORMAT THAT PROFESSOR BALDUS USED IN SOLICITING 

THIS ADDITIONAL INFORMATION FOR THE PROCEDURAL REFORM STUDY. 

MS. WESTMORELAND: AS EXAMPLES, 1 HAVE NO OBJECTION, 

YOUR HONOR. 

THE COURT: IT WILL BE ADMITTED. 

BY MR. BOGER: 

9. 90 YOUR TESTIMONY. PROFESSOR BALDUS, NOW, CONCERNING THE 

DATA GATHERING PROCESS. AND WE’VE CLEARED UP THIS LAST POINT 

ABOUT DATA FROM PROSECUTORS AND DEFENSE COUNSEL. IS THAT THE 594 

CASES THAT WERE EVENTUALLY CODED USING THESE TWO QUESTIONNAIRES, 

SUPPLEMENTED BY THE OTHER ITEMS THAT WE‘VE MENTIONED, WERE THE 

BASIS FOR YOUR ANALYSIS IN THE PROCEDURAL REFORM STUDY? 

A. THE ONLY ADDITIONAL SOURCE OF INFORMATION WAS FROM THE 

BUREAU OF VITAL STATISTICS. I ALLUDED TO THAT YESTERDAY. BUT 

THAT WAS ONE ADDITIONAL PLACE WE HAD TO OBTAIN INFORMATION. THE 

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PERCENT OF THE FILES IN THE PAROLE BOARD WOULD NOT INDICATE WHAT 

THE RACE OF THE VICTIM WAS. SO WE OBTAINED THE RACE OF THE 

VICTIM FROM THE FILES. GENERALLY THE NAME WOULD BE THERE. AND 

THE INDICTMENT WOULD BE IN THE RECORDS. WE OBTAINED THE NAME OF 

THE VICTIM,» AND THE OF DATE OF DEATH AND COUNTY OF DEATH, AND 

THEN SEEK TO OBTAIN THAT INFORMATION FROM THE BUREAU OF VITAL 

STATISTICS. THAT WAS THE ONLY OTHER BIT OF ADDITIONAL 

INFORMATION THAT WE WOULD GET. 

MR. BOGER: YOUR HONOR, JUST FOR YOUR INFORMATION, I 

THINK LATER WELL HAVE A SAMPLE OF THAT VITAL STATISTICS 

INFORMATION IN CONNECTION WITH THE CHARGING AND SENTENCING 

STUDY. BUT WE DON’T HAVE ONE FOR THE PROCEDURAL REFORM STUDY. 

AT THIS TIME, I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THE ADMISSION INTO 

EVIDENCE OF DB-28 WHICH ARE THE TWO SCHEMATIC DRAWINGS OF THE 

INFORMATION SOURCES THAT WERE USED FOR THE SUPREME COURT 

QUESTIONNAIRE, THE PROCEDURAL REFORM QUESTIONNAIRE AND THE SMALL 

VERSION OF THE DIAGRAM THAT’S BEFORE YOUR HONOR AS 28A TO 

ILLUSTRATE PROFESSOR BALDUS“ TESTIMONY. HE‘S RELIED ON THEM 

EXTENSIVELY, I THINK, DURING HIS TESTIMONY. 

MS. WESTMORELAND: YOUR HONOR, MY ONLY OBJECTION WOULD 

BE THAT I DON’T REALLY SEE THE RELEVANCY AT THIS POINT. 

PROFESSOR BALDUS, AS MR. BOGER HAS JUST NOTED, HAS TESTIFIED 

EXTENSIVELY CONCERNING BOTH DOCUMENTS. AND I THINK HE’S ALREADY 

SET FORTH ALL THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THOSE DOCUMENTS. I 

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THE COURT: THEY MAY ASSIST THE READER OF THE TOTAL 

RECORD IN UNDERSTANDING THE PROFESSOR‘S TESTIMONY AND ILL LET 

THEM GO ALONG WITH THE RECORD AS DEMONSTRATIVE OF THE TESTIMONY. 

I THINK PROFESSOR BALDUS” TESTIMONY IS CONTROLLING ON HOW THE 

DATA WAS GATHERED. I THINK THIS IS, AS I SAY, DEMONSTRATIVE OF 

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13 COLLECTION EFFORT IN STATE OF GEORGIA? 

16 THE COURT: ARE YOU CHANGING SUBJECTS? 

17 MR. BOGER: WE ARE INDEED. 

18 THE COURT? ALL RIGHT. LET‘S TAKE A RECESS FOR ABOUT 

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22 THE COURT: ALL RIGHT. MR. BOGER. 

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TESTIFIED FURTHER AS FOLLOWS: 

DIRECT EXAMINATION (CONT’D) 

BY MR. BOGER! 

0. PROFESSOR BALDUS, I WAS JUST ABOUT TO BEGIN AN INQUIRY INTO 

THE GENESIS OF YOUR SECOND STUDY. THE CHARGING AND SENTENCING 

STUDY. 

WHEN DID YOU FIRST BEGIN TO DEVELOP PLANS FOR THAT 

STUDY? 9 

A. IN THE SPRING OF 1980. I RECEIVED A PHONE CALL FROM ANN 

DOWLING, WHO IS AN EMPLOYEE OF THE LEGAL DEFENSE FUND IN NEW 

YORK, AND SHE INDICATED TO ME THAT THE L.D.F. WAS CONTEMPLATING 

THE SUBMISSION OF A GRANT PROPOSAL TO THE EDNA MCCONNEL CLARK 

FOUNDATION TO SEEK FUNDS FOR THIS STUDY OF CAPITAL SENTENCING IN 

THE UNITED STATES. AND SHE ASKED ME WHAT I THOUGHT WOULD BE AN 

APPROPRIATE APPROACH TO TAKE IN SOLICITING FUNDS. 

AND I TOLD HER WHAT I THOUGHT THE IMPORTANT ISSUES WERE 

AND HOW SHE MIGHT PRESENT THOSE ISSUES TO THE FUNDING 

FOUNDATION. 

AND LATER I LEARNED THAT THEY HAD SUBMITTED THIS 

PROPOSAL AND HAD RECEIVED SOME FUNDING. 

1 RECEIVED A FURTHER CALL ASKING IF I WOULD BE 

INTERESTED IN UNDERTAKING ANY RESEARCH WITH THESE FUNDS. 

I SAID THAT I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN TALKING ABOUT 

THAT, AND IN AUGUST OF 1980, I MET IN NEW YORK WITH JACK BOGER. 

COUNSEL IN THIS PROCEEDING, AND WE DISCUSSED THE TERMS ON WHICH 

  

  

  
 



  
    

  

  

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Q. WHAT WERE THOSE TERMS? DO YOU REMEMBER? 

A. YES. THE TERMS WERE THAT THEY WOULD PROVIDE ME WITH THE 

FUNDS TO CONDUCT THE RESEARCH. AND THAT I WOULD HAVE COMPLETE 

CONTROL OVER THE CONDUCT OF THE RESEARCH. AND THE USE OF THE 

RESULTS OF THE RESEARCH. REGARDLESS OF THE OUTCOME. 

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15 Q. WERE YOU OFFERED ANY COMPENSATION FOR YOUR SERVICES BEYOND 

16 THE OUT-OF-POCKET EXPENSES YOU WOULD INCUR? 

17 A. NO. 

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20 A. NO. 

21 Ga WERE THERE FURTHER DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE SHAPE OF THE 

22 RESEARCH ITSELF, OR THE GENERAL OBJECTIVES OF IT? 

23 A. WELL, I EXPLAINED TO MR. BOGER AND THE OTHER PEOPLE THAT 

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3 CALIFORNIA, AND THOSE DATA SHOWED NO RACIAL EFFECTS WHATEVER. 

4 AND I EXPLAINED THAT TO THEM. 

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& HAD DONE ON THE SUPREME COURT DATA THAT 1 COLLECTED, THOSE WERE 

3 a THE DATA IN PART A OF THE EXHIBIT DB-28A. THAT I HAD DONE A 

8 PRELIMINARY ANALYSIS ON THOSE DATA. AND THEY SHOWED NO RACE OF 

9 | DEFENDANT EFFECTS WHATEVER. AND THAT THEY SHOWED VERY UNCLEAR AT 

10 THAT STAGE RACE OF VICTIM EFFECTS. 1 HAD NOT ANALYZED THE DATA 

11 IN ANY DETAIL. THAT WAS SORT OF A FIRST SHOT OF IT, BUT I SAID I 

12 WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT THE RESULTS MAY NOT AT ALL BE WHAT YOU 

13 MIGHT WANT TO SEE, BUT THAT THOSE WERE THE TERMS UNDER WHICH I 

14 WOULD UNDERTAKE THE WORK. 

15 Q. AND WAS THERE ANY FURTHER MEETING HELD BETWEEN PEOPLE OF 

16 THE LEGAL DEFENSE FUND AND YOURSELF ABOUT THIS PROJECT? 

17 A. YES. I ATTENDED A MEETING IN STANFORD, CALIFORNIA, AT THE 

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21 A. YES. YOU WERE PRESENT AT THE MEETING. 

22 TIM FORD WAS PRESENT AT THE MEETING. 

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2 Q. LET“S IDENTIFY FOR THE RECORD WHO THOSE PEOPLE ARE. WHO 

3 WERE JOEL BERGER AND DEBBIE FINN? 

4 Ae THEY ARE ATTORNEYS EMPLOYED BY THE LEGAL DEFENSE FUND. 

te AND ANTHONY AMSTERDAM WAS A PROFESSOR OF LAW AT 

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? A. TIM FORD IS AN ATTORNEY FROM THE STATE OF WASHINGTON, WHO 

10 WAS: WHO IS PARTICIPATING IN THIS PROCEEDING. 

11 AND CHARLES PULASKI IS A CO-AUTHOR. WHO WAS AT ARIZONA 

12 STATE UNIVERSITY IN THE LAW SCHOOL AT THE TIME. 

13 AND SAM GROSS IS AN ATTORNEY WHO AT THE TIME. I 

14 BELIEVE, WAS TEACHING AT STANFORD LAW SCHOOL, AS WELL, THOUGH 

15 IM NOT CERTAIN OF THAT. 

16 r WHAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF THE STANFORD MEETING, AS YOU 

17 RECALL? | 

18 A. TO IDENTIFY A SITE FOR THE CONDUCT OF THE NEXT PHASE OF 

% 19 THIS RESEARCH. 

20 Ge AND WHAT WERE THE CONSIDERATIONS INVOLVED IN SELECTION OF A 

21 JURISDICTION? 

22 A. WELL, THE PRINCIPAL CONSIDERATION WAS TO FIND A 

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WE COULD COLLECT THE INFORMATION THAT WE NEEDED. 

AND ALSO. A JURISDICTION THAT WAS OF INTEREST TO THE 

L.D.F. THIS WAS A JOINT DECISION MADE BY THEM AND ME. 

@. YOU’VE INDICATED THAT THE DECISIONS ON THE CONDUCT OF THE 

RESEARCH WERE YOUR DECISIONS ALONE, IS THAT CORRECT? 

A. YES, THE EXECUTION OF THE RESEARCH ONCE THE SITUS WAS 

IDENTIFIED WERE MY DECISIONS ALONE, BUT THE QUESTION AS TO WHERE 

THE RESEARCH WOULD GO FORWARD WAS A JOINT DECISION. 

Q. NOW, WAS ANY DECISION REACHED AT THAT MEETING ABOUT 

JURISDICTION? 

A. NO. 

@. DO YOU RECALL WHEN SUCH A DECISION WAS MADE? 

A. IT IS MY RECOLLECTION THAT IT WAS MADE BEFORE THE END OF 

THE YEAR. AND THE DECISION WAS MADE TO CONDUCT THE RESEARCH IN 

GEORGIA. 

@. AFTER, AFTER THAT DECISION HAD BEEN AGREED UPON, WHAT WERE 

YOUR NEXT STEPS IN BEGINNING TO UNDERTAKE THIS CHARGING AND 

SENTENCING STUDY? 

A. MY NEXT STEP WAS TO DEVELOP AN INSTRUMENT THAT WE COULD USE 

TO COLLECT THE INFORMATION. BY INSTRUMENT I MEAN SIMPLY THE 

QUESTIONNAIRE. 

Q. LET ME ASK YOU FIRST, WAS THERE A TIME AT WHICH YOU 

DEVELOPED SOME METHODOLOGICAL DESIGN, SAMPLE THAT YOU WERE GOING 

TO COLLECT DATA ON? 

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TO APPROACH THE STUDY, AND SELECTED A UNIVERSE OF CASES. AND 

DEVELOPED A SAMPLING STRATEGY. 

ol. YOU HAD ALREADY UNDERTAKEN A PROCEDURAL REFORM STUDY 

RESEARCH IN GEORGIA AND HERE YOU WERE COMING BACK TO GEORGIA 

AGAIN. 

WHY DIDN‘T YOU FOLLOW THE IDENTICAL RESEARCH DESIGN? 

A. THE FIRST STUDY FOCUSED ON THE LAST TWO STAGES IN THE TRIAL 

PROCESS, THAT IS, THE DECISION OF THE PROSECUTOR TO ADVANCE THE 

CASE TO A PENALTY TRIAL. AND THE DECISION OF THE JURY. 

THE OBJECT OF THIS CASE WAS TO ENLARGE OUR INQUIRY, AND 

ENLARGE IT IN THIS WAY. WE WANTED TO BE ABLE TO EXAMINE EARLIER 

DECISIONS IN THE PROCESS BY WHICH THE CASES PROCEED THROUGH THE 

SYSTEM FROM THE POINT OF INDICTMENT TO THE POINT OF PENALTY 

TRIAL. 

THAT MEANT WE HAD TO EXPAND OR USE DIFFERENT CASES 

BEYOND WHAT WE HAD ORIGINALLY STUDIED IN THE PROCEDURAL REFORM 

STUDY. 

a. WHAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF EXPANDING THE UNIVERSE IN THAT 

DIRECTION TO CAPTURE THESE EARLIER DECISIONS? 

A. THE PURPOSE WAS TO ENABLE US TO ESTIMATE RACIAL EFFECTS 

THAT WERE THE PRODUCT OF THE COMBINED EFFECTS OF ALL THE 

DECISIONS FROM THE POINT OF INDICTMENT TO THE POINT OF THE FINAL 

DEATH SENTENCING DECISION. 

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EFFECTS AT EACH ONE OF THOSE POINTS IN THE PROCESS. 

Ql. WERE THOSE DESIGN DECISIONS MADE BY THE LEGAL DEFENSE FUND 

IN COOPERATION WITH YOU, OR WERE THEY YOUR DESIGN DECISIONS 

ALONE? 

A. THOSE WERE MY DECISIONS BASED UPON WHAT I THOUGHT WOULD 

PRODUCE THE MOST, MOST IMPORTANT SORT OF INQUIRY THAT ONE COULD 

CONDUCT. 

| THE LITERATURE AT THAT POINT, THE SCIENTIFIC 

LITERATURE, CONCERNING SENTENCING WAS EMPHASIZING VERY HEAVILY 

THE IMPORTANCE OF LONGITUDINAL STUDIES. THAT IS, BEING ABLE TO 

FOCUS ON EACH STAGE IN THE PROCESS. AND THAT WAS MY MAIN 

INTEREST IN UNDERTAKING THIS WORK FROM A SCHOLARLY STANDPOINT. 

WAS TO BE ABLE TO EXPAND THE WORK IN THAT DIRECTION. 

THE OTHER IMPORTANT DIRECTION THAT I HOPED WE COULD 

EXPAND THIS WORK WAS WITH RESPECT TO THE MEASURES WE HOPED TO 

DEVELOP ON THE RACE OF, PARDON ME. ON THE STRENGTH OF THE 

EVIDENCE IN THE CASES. 

UP TO THIS POINT, YOUR HONOR, THERE HAS BEEN VERY 

LITTLE WORK DONE ON STRENGTH OF THE EVIDENCE IN THE CASES. 

THERES ONLY A HANDFUL OF ARTICLES THAT HAVE BEEN PUBLISHED AND 

THEY“ RE QUITE RUDIMENTARY. NO SYSTEMATIC SERIES UP TO THIS 

POINT HAD BEEN DONE IN TERMS OF MEASURING THE STRENGTH OF THE 

EVIDENCE, AND WE BELIEVED THAT IT WAS CRITICAL IN THIS STUDY TO 

BE ABLE TO DEVELOP GOOD MEASURES OF THE STRENGTH OF THE 

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2 WE CONSIDERED IT IMPORTANT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE ADEQUATE MEASURES 

3 ON THOSE CHARACTERISTICS. 

4 @. WHEN WE REACH DISCUSSION OF THE QUESTIONNAIRE THAT YOU 

5 DESIGNED ITSELF. I“M GOING TO ASK YOU IN MORE DETAIL TO INDICATE 

& WHERE THOSE STRENGTH OF THE EVIDENCE MEASURES ARE PRESENT. 

4 7 NOW. I WANT TO, BEFORE WE GET TO THAT, ASK YOU A FEW 

B QUESTIONS ABOUT THE UNIVERSE OF CASES ON WHICH YOU WERE GOING TO 

9 CONDUCT RESEARCH. 

10 CAN YOU DEFINE OR DESCRIBE FOR US THAT UNIVERSE? 

11 A. YES. THE UNIVERSE THAT WE SETTLED ON CONSISTS OF ALL 

12 OFFENDERS WHO WERE CONVICTED OF MURDER, OF VOLUNTARY 

13 MANSLAUGHTER. AND WHO WERE ARRESTED FOR THEIR CRIME BEFORE 

14 DECEMBER 31. 1978,» AND ALSO HAD A CRIME THAT OCCURRED AFTER 

15 MARCH 28, 1973, WHICH IS THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THE POST-FURMAN 

16 GEORGIA STATUTE. 

17 Go. NOW DO THESE INCLUDE PEOPLE — 

18 THE COURT: WHAT WAS THAT LAST DATE? 

% 19 THE WITNESS: THAT THIS UNIVERSE IS LIMITED ALSQ TO 

20 PEOPLE WHOSE HOMICIDE OCCURRED AFTER MARCH 28, 1973, WHICH IS 

21 THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THE NEW GEORGIA STATUTE FOLLOWING THE 

22 DECISION OF FURMAN V. GEORGIA. 

23 BY MR. BOGER: 

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ABOUT TWENTY-FIVE HUNDRED PEOPLE, THAT 150 OF THEM HAD 

ORIGINALLY BEEN INDICTED FOR VOLUNTARY MANSLAUGHTER, BUT THE 

REST OF THEM, ABOUT 95 PERCENT OF THEM. HAD ORIGINALLY BEEN 

INDICTED FOR MURDER. 

@. AND DID THIS STUDY FOLLOW THOSE CASES WHETHER OR NOT THEY 

RESULTED IN A CONVICTION OF MURDER OR A CONVICTION FOR VOLUNTARY 

MANSLAUGHTER? 

A. YES. THE PURPOSE OF THE RESEARCH DESIGN WAS TO ENABLE US TO 

FOLLOW THE FLOW OF CASES THROUGH THE SYSTEM. AND TRACK THOSE 

CASES THAT WENT OUT ON VOLUNTARY MANSLAUGHTER. PLEAS OR 

CONVICTIONS, THOSE THAT WENT OUT ON MURDER PLEAS. OR MURDER 

CONVICTIONS, WHERE DEATH WAS NOT SOUGHT AS PUNISHMENT, AND TO 

END UP WITH THE CASES WHERE DEATH WAS SOUGHT AS A PUNISHMENT 

AFTER CONVICTION. 

@. DID YOU INCLUDE ANY -- 

THE COURT: SO THE UNIVERSE IS ALL OFFENDERS INDICTED 

FOR, NOT CONVICTED OF. 

THE WITNESS: NO» YOUR HONOR, THE ACTUAL UNIVERSE THAT 

WE WERE ABLE TO GET INFORMATION ON CONSISTED ONLY OF PEOPLE WHO 

WERE CONVICTED OF ONE OF THOSE CRIMES. BECAUSE WE WERE 

RESTRICTED IN COLLECTING INFORMATION TO PEOPLE WHO WERE ACTUALLY 

IN THE STATE PENITENTIARY SYSTEM. AND THERE OBVIOUSLY WERE SOME 

PEOPLE WHO WERE INDICTED FOR MURDER OR VOLUNTARY MANSLAUGHTER 

WHO WERE LATER CONVICTED OF A LESSER INCLUDED OFFENSE OF ONE 

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THE COURT: ALL RIGHT. 

THE WITNESS: -—— FOR PURPOSES OF THIS STUDY. 

BY MR. BOGER: 

GQ. YOU MENTIONED A TOTAL NUMBER OF CASES THAT WHILE NOT BEING 

DEFINED BY THIS DESCRIPTION, BUT WHAT -- DO YOU RECALL WHAT THAT 

NUMBER WAS? 

A. THE, YES, IT’S 2484 CASES,» I BELIEVE. 

Q. NOW. IN YOUR PROCEDURAL REFORM STUDY. YOU COLLECTED DATA ON 

ALL 594 PEOPLE WHO MET THE CRITERIA FOR INCLUSION IN THE 

UNIVERSE. 

DID YOU ADOPT THE SAME PROCEDURE IN THE CHARGING AND 

SENTENCING STUDY? 

A. NO, WE DID NOT. 

IN THIS STUDY WE ADOPTED THE SAMPLING PROCEDURE. THE 

IDEA WAS THAT WE HAD INSUFFICIENT RESOURCES TO COLLECT 

INFORMATION ON THAT LARGE A GROUP OF CASES AND AS IS GENERALLY 

DONE IN SIMILAR SITUATIONS IN SURVEY RESEARCH. ONE DRAWS A 

SAMPLE OF THE POPULATION, AND THEN MAKES INFERENCES ABOUT THE 

LARGER UNIVERSE AND ABOUT THE PROCESS THAT THEY WENT THROUGH. ON 

THE BASIS OF THE SAMPLE. AND THAT’S WHAT WE DID IN THIS CASE. 

Qe. LETS BE CLEAR FOR THE RECORD. WHAT IS A SAMPLE, AND HOW 

DOES ONE DRAW A SAMPLE? 

A. A SAMPLE IS MERELY A SUBPOPULATION OF A LARGER GROUP OF 

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THIS SUBPOPULATION THROUGH ESTABLISHED SCIENTIFIC PROCEDURES. 

THE PRINCIPAL COMPONENT OF WHICH IS THAT THEY ARE DRAWN 

RANDOMLY. THAT ASSURES THAT YOU GET A REPRESENTATIVE SELECTION 

OF CASES TO EXAMINE. 

Ql. WHATS THE PURPOSE OF EMPLOYING THE, THESE STANDARDIZED 

PROCEDURES? 

A. THE PURPOSE OF IT IS TO INSURE THAT THE SAMPLE THAT YOU 

HAVE IS REPRESENTATIVE OF THE LARGER POPULATION FROM WHICH THE 

SAMPLE WAS DRAWN. 

a. WHAT DOES THAT PERMIT YOU TO DO, IF ANYTHING? 

A. YOU CAN MAKE INFERENCES THEN, FROM LOOKING AT THE SAMPLE 

YOU CAN MAKE INFERENCES ABOUT WHAT THE CHARACTERISTICS OF THE 

LARGER POPULATION ARE FROM WHICH THE SAMPLE WAS SELECTED. 

I MEAN IF YOU DRAW A SAMPLE THAT HAS A CERTAIN 

PERCENTAGE OF ARMED ROBBERIES INVOLVED IN IT AS CONTEMPORANEOUS 

OFFENSES WITH THE HOMICIDE, SAY TWENTY PERCENT. YOU’RE ABLE TO 

MAKE AN ESTIMATE OF WHAT THAT POPULATION OF ARMED ROBBERIES, 

CONTEMPORANEOUS OFFENSES, IS IN THE LARGER UNIVERSE OF CASES. 

YOU‘RE ABLE TO MAKE ESTIMATES. 

Q. ARE THERE STATISTICAL PROCEDURES THAT WOULD PERMIT ONE TO 

DEVELOP A CERTAIN DEGREE OF CONFIDENCE IN THE ACCURACY OF THE 

SAMPLE? 

Fra YES, THERE ARE, AND WE USED SUCH PROCEDURES THROUGHOUT THE 

STUDY. 

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A. YES, THE DETAILS OF THE SELECTION OF THE SAMPLE WERE 

UNDERTAKEN BY MY COLLEAGUE, PROFESSOR WOODWORTH, BUT I CAN SAY 

THAT THE GENERAL STRATEGY OF THE SAMPLING PLAN WAS TO STRATIFY 

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146 DOWN INTO 3 CATEGORIES. AND OUR OBJECTIVE WAS TO GET A 

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18 STRATIFIED ON THAT DIMENSION. 

& 19 ol. LET’S BE SURE, AND PROFESSOR WOODWORTH WILL GIVE MORE 

20 TESTIMONY ON THIS, BUT JUST FOR CLARITY AT THIS POINT. WHAT DO 

21 YOU MEAN BY STRATIFIED? 

22 A. THAT 1S, WE WENT AT THE OUTSET AND WE DREW A RANDOM SAMPLE. 

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1 RANDOM SAMPLE OF VOLUNTARY MANSLAUGHTER CASES. 

2 THAT'S THE PROCESS KNOWN AS STRATIFICATION. YOU 

3 RESTRICT YOUR SAMPLING PROCEDURE TO A CERTAIN SUBSET OF CASES, 

4 AND ONE OF THE PURPOSES OF THAT IS TO INSURE WE HAVE IN CUR 

3 FINAL SAMPLE A GOOD REPRESENTATIVE, REPRESENTATION OF CASES FROM 

6 EACH OF THOSE CATEGORIES. 

a 7 TO ILLUSTRATE IT, IN THIS SAMPLE THAT WE DREW. WE HAD 

8 ONLY A HUNDRED DEATH SENTENCE CASES. IF WE HAD NOT STRATIFIED 

9? IN THIS WAY, THERE IS A POSSIBILITY WE WOULD HAVE SO FEW DEATH 

10 SENTENCING CASES IT WOULD BE HARD TO MAKE INFERENCES. THAT IS, 

11 WHEN YOU DRAW A RANDOM SAMPLE OUT OF TWENTY-FIVE HUNDRED CASES 

12 AND YOU ONLY HAVE A HUNDRED DEATH SENTENCE CASES, THERE’S A 

13 CHANCE YOU WOULD HAVE ONLY A HANDFUL OF DEATH SENTENCE CASES AND 

14 THEREFORE YOU WOULDN’T BE ABLE TO MAKE ANY INFERENCES ABOUT HOW 

15 THEY WERE TREATED VIS-A-VIS THE OTHER CASES. SO0 THAT THE 

16 STRATIFIED SAMPLING PROCEDURES ENABLE YOU TO GET MORE 

17 INFORMATION, OR GET INFORMATION ABOUT EACH OF THESE SUBGROUPS 

18 THAT WILL ENABLE YOU TO MAKE COMPARISONS. | 

% 17? Q. DOES THE PROCESS OF STRATIFICATION ITSELF VIOLATE ACCEPTED 

20 PROCEDURES OR METHODS -- 

21 A. YES, 1T7’S NILELY = 

22 a. EXCUSE ME, PROFESSOR BALDUS. 

23 A. YES, SIR.   
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OF SURVEY SAMPLES. 

QA. ALL RIGHT. ARE THERE IN FACT METHODS OR PROCEDURES THAT 

ONE FOLLOWS IN STRATIFYING THAT ARE ACCEPTED -- 

A. YES. 

Q. =— THROUGHOUT THE PROFESSION? 

A. YES, TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE. AND ON THE BASIS OF 

THAT STATEMENT, I HAVE TO DEFER TO MY COLLEAGUE. PROFESSOR 

WOODWORTH. 

ol. ALL RIGHT, YOURE IN THE MIDDLE OF DESCRIBING ONE KIND OF 

STRATIFICATION, STRATIFICATION BY SENTENCING OUTCOME. 

WAS THERE ANOTHER LEVEL OF STRATIFICATION OF THESE 

CASES? 

A. YES, THE OTHER LEVEL OF STRATIFICATION WAS ON THE STATE 

JUDICIAL CIRCUIT LEVEL. IT WAS OUR DESIRE IN THIS RESEARCH TO 

INSURE THAT WE HAD GOOD REPRESENTATION FROM ALL SECTIONS OF THE 

STATE. CASES FROM EVERY PART OF THE STATE. SO, TO ACHIEVE 

THAT, WE DEVELOPED A SAMPLING STRATEGY THAT LED US INTO EACH 

CIRCUIT AND TO COLLECT A MINIMUM OF 18 CASES IN EACH CIRCUIT, 

BECAUSE WHEN YOU COMMENCE THE ORIGINAL SAMPLE, IF YOU DO JUST A 

STRAIGHT RANDOM SAMPLE, EVEN IF STRATIFIED IN TERMS OF THE 

SENTENCING OUTCOMES, THE RESULT MIGHT BE THAT SOME OF THE 

SMALLER CIRCUITS WILL BE BADLY UNDERREPRESENTED IN THE SAMFLE. 

AND WE FELT IT IMPORTANT TO INSURE GOOD COVERAGE OF THE WHOLE 

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ORIGINAL RANDOM SAMPLE HAD NOT PRODUCED AT LEAST 13 CASES. 

THE COURT: LET ME ASK YOU THERE, DOCTOR BALDUS, FULTON 

COUNTY. OF COURSE. CONTRIBUTES AN ENORMOUS SHARE OF ANY SAMPLE, 

I“M SURE, INVOLVING CONVICTED FELONS. 

DID THE SAMPLE THAT YOU TOOK. FOR EXAMPLE, FROM THE 

RURAL COUNTIES CAUSE ANY DISPROPORTIONATE REPRESENTATION OF 

RURAL VERSUS URBAN OR RURAL VERSUS FULTON COUNTY OR WOULD YOUR 

SAMPLE THEN BE WEIGHTED BY CONTRIBUTION FROM AN AREA —— 

THE WITNESS: YES, THE SAMPLES WERE WEIGHTED. YOUR 

HONOR. THAT’S AN ADDITIONAL PROCEDURE THAT’S USED WHEN ONE 

CONDUCTS THIS SORT OF RESEARCH. 

THE COURT: SO IN TOTO, THE NUMBER COMING FROM FULTON 

COUNTY IN YOUR SAMPLE WOULD BE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE UNIVERSE OF 

THE PROPORTION THAT FULTON COUNTY CONTRIBUTES TO THE UNIVERSE. 

THE WITNESS: NOT IN THE SAMPLE. BUT IN THE ANALYSIS. 

THE COURT: YOU ADDED A WEIGHTING FACTOR AFTER YOU DID 

THE ANALYSIS? 

THE WITNESS: YES. YOUR HONOR. AND WE HAVE AN EXHIBIT 

THAT DEMONSTRATES PRECISELY HOW THAT’S DONE, YOUR HONCR. 

MR. BOGER: ALL RIGHT, AND WE“LL GET IT COVERED IN SOME | 

DETAIL, YOUR HONOR. 

BY MR. BOGER: 

Gl. LET ME ASK YOU TO TURN TO DB-37, FOR IDENTIFICATION, 

PROFESSOR BALDUS, AND IDENTIFY IT. IF YOU CAN? 

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FOR THE CHARGING AND SENTENCING STUDY." THIS IS A DOCUMENT 

WRITTEN BY GEORGE WOODWORTH IN COLLABORATION WITH ME WHICH 

DESCRIBES THE GENERAL OUTLINES OF THE SAMPLING FLAN. 

THIS DOCUMENT IS ACTUALLY THE INTRODUCTION OF A MORE 

EXTENSIVE REPORT THAT WAS PREPARED BY PROFESSOR WOODWORTH. IN 

COLLABORATION WITH ME. 

Ql. ALL RIGHT. 

MR. BOGER: YOUR HONOR, WE INTENDED TO INTRODUCE 

THROUGH PROFESSOR WOODWORTH THE ENTIRE SAMPLING PLAN, BUT MOVE 

THE ADMISSION OF DB-37 HERE WHICH PROFESSOR BALDUS HAS TESTIFIED 

HE COLLABORATED IN AS PART OF THE BASIC OVERVIEW FOR THE 

UNIVERSE AND SAMPLE OF THE CHARGING AND SENTENCING STUDY. 

MS. WESTMORELAND: YOUR HONOR, I WOULD OBJECT TO DB-37, 

PARTICULARLY IN LIGHT OF THE STATEMENT THAT THE ENTIRE SAMPLING 

PLAN IS GOING TO BE INTRODUCED AT A LATER PERIOD. I THINK IT’S 

CUMULATIVE. 

FURTHERMORE, THIS HAS GEORGE WOODWORTH’S NAME ON IT. 

AND PROFESSOR BALDUS‘ NAME DOES NOT APPEAR ON THE DOCUMENT. HE 

HAS TESTIFIED AS TO THE GENERAL PURPOSE OF SAMPLING DESIGN AND I 

THINK THAT IS SUFFICIENT FOR THE PURPOSE AT THIS TIME. THE 

DOCUMENT DOES NOT APPEAR TO BE RELEVANT AT THIS POINT. 

THE COURT: DID THIS DOCUMENT EXIST AT THE TIME THE 

SAMPLE WAS DRAWN? 

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BY MR. BOGER: 

(A PROFESSOR BALDUS. ONCE YOU HAD IDENTIFIED A SAMPLE OF CASES 

OR SAMPLING PLAN, HOW DID YOU MOVE TO THE CHOICE OF INDIVIDUAL 

CASES? 

EXACTLY WHAT WAS THE PROCESS BY WHICH YOU MOVED FROM 

SOME THEORY OF SAMPLE TQ THE CASES THAT YOU ACTUALLY LOOKED AT? 

A. WE OBTAINED FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS A COMPUTER 

LISTING OF ALL OFFENDERS IN THEIR FILES WHO MET THE 

QUALIFICATIONS FOR INCLUSION IN THE STUDY THAT I DESCRIBED 

EARLIER. | 

AND WE THEN ORGANIZED THOSE NAMES BY CIRCUITS AND THEN 

PROFESSOR WOODWORTH DREW A RANDOM SAMPLE OF THOSE CASES. AND 

THEN HE SPECIFIED THE PROCEDURE BY WHICH WE WOULD SUPPLEMENT 

THOSE CASES TO INSURE FULL COVERAGE OF ALL SECTIONS OF THE 

STATE. 

THE COURT: YOUR SOURCE DATA AGAIN WAS D.O.R.7? 

THE WITNESS: THE SOURCE OF THE NAMES. YOUR HONOR. WAS 

D.0.R. 

LET ME ADD, HOWEVER, THAT WE SUPPLEMENTED THAT SOURCE 

OF INFORMATION WITH RESPECT TO DEATH SENTENCE CASES. 

AS I MENTIONED TO YOU EARLIER, THE DEATH SENTENCE CASES 

ENTER THE DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS SYSTEM LESS QUICKLY THAN DO 

LIFE SENTENCE CASES. SO WE DID AN EXTENSIVE SEARCH OF THE 

GEORGIA REPORTS FOR CASES THAT HAD GONE TO A PENALTY TRIAL. THAT 

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2 WE ALSO MADE INQUIRY IN THE SUPREME COURT OF GEORGIA. 

3 SPECIFICALLY ED GATES MADE INQUIRY, TO THE STAFF OF THE SUPREME 

4 COURT TO SEE WHETHER THERE WERE ANY CASES PENDING IN THE SYSTEM 

S THAT MIGHT FALL WITHIN THE FRAMEWORK OF OUR STUDY. 

6 AND AS A RESULT OF THAT SUPPLEMENTAL INVESTIGATION. WE 

» 7 PRODUCED 28 DEATH SENTENCE CASES WHICH WERE ADDED TO THE FINAL 

i SAMPLE, AS WELL AS 3 OTHER CASES THAT HAD GONE TO A PENALTY 

? TRIAL BUT ENDED UP IN A LIFE SENTENCE. 

10 THE COURT: THESE WERE ADDED TO THE SAMPLE OR TO THE 

11 UNIVERSE? 

12 THE WITNESS: WELL. THEY WERE ADDED TO THE SAMPLE. AND 

13 THEY WERE ALSO ADDED TO THE UNIVERSE. AS WE DEFINED IT. 

14 THE UNIVERSE AS WE ORIGINALLY DEFINED IT WAS DEFINED BY 

15 BY THE DOCUMENTS PRODUCED BY THE D.O.R.. BUT AS WE FOUND THESE 

16 PEOPLE. WE CONCEPTUALIZED THEM AS FALLING WITHIN THE UNIVERSE. 

17 BECAUSE HAD THE DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS HAD THESE PEOPLE IN 

18 THEIR SYSTEM AT THE TIME, THEN THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN INCLUDED ON 

19 THAT LIST AS WELL. 

20 BY MR. BOGER: 

21 a. NOW. YOU’VE DEVELOPED RESEARCH DESIGN, YOUVE GOT A 

22 SAMPLING PLAN, YOUVE DRAWN THE SAMPLE AND HAVE ACTUAL CASES ON 

23 WHICH TO COLLECT DATA. 

24 DID YOU AT SOME POINT THEREAFTER DEVELOP A 

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2 | @. HOW WAS THAT DONE? 

3 |A. WE STARTED WITH THE QUESTIONNAIRE THAT HAD BEEN USED IN THE 

4 | PROCEDURAL REFORM STUDY, AND SOUGHT TO EXPAND IT SO IT WOULD BE 

s | MORE SUITABLE FOR THIS PROJECT. AND IT WAS AT ABOUT THIS TIME 

4 | THAT 1 ENGAGED EDWARD GATES TO UNDERTAKE SUPERVISION OF THE DATA 

% 2 | COLLECTION EFFORT THAT WE WERE PLANNING FOR THE SUMMER OF 1981 

8 |HERE IN GEORGIA. 

9 AND PREPARATORY TO THAT. ED CAME TO IOWA, SPENT ABOUT 

10 | SIX WEEKS WORKING WITH ME ON THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE 

11 | QUESTIONNAIRE AS WELL AS GENERAL PLANNING ON THE LOGISTICS AND 

12 | DETAILS OF HOW WE WERE GOING TO COLLECT THE DATA IN GEORGIA. 

13 AND OUR FIRST TASK WAS TO MODIFY THE QUESTIONNAIRE. 

14 | AND THE PRINCIPAL —- 

45 |@. WHEN YOU SAY MODIFY THE QUESTIONNAIRE, YOU MEAN MODIFY THE 

16 | PROCEDURAL REFORM QUESTIONNAIRE? | 

17 |A. YES, THAT WAS THE DOCUMENT THAT WE HAD FINISHED THE LAST |   
18 STUDY WITH AND WE TOOK OFF FROM THAT POINT. 

19 AND OUR OBJECTIVE, OUR OBJECTIVE IN MODIFYING IT WAS 

20 THREEFOLD. ONE WAS TO INCLUDE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION WITH 

21 RESPECT TO LEGITIMATE AGGRAVATING AND MITIGATING FACTORS THAT WE 

22 HAD FOUND MIGHT PROPERLY BE ADDED TO THE QUESTIONNAIRE ON THE 

23 BASIS OF OUR PRIOR EXPERIENCE. 

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AND THEN FINALLY WE WANTED TO ENLARGE THE SECTION 

CONCERNING STRENGTH OF THE EVIDENCE. AS I INDICATED TO YOU 

EARLIER, THE PROCEDURAL REFORM STUDY HAD ONLY A FEW QUESTIONS 

THAT BORE ON STRENGTH OF THE EVIDENCE. 

WE HOPED TO BEEF UP THE QUESTIONNAIRES SUBSTANTIALLY IN 

THAT DIRECTION, WHICH WE DID. 

Wd. HOW LONG DID THE PROCESS OF DEVELOPING A QUESTIONNAIRE 

TAKE? 

A. WELL, IT TOOK, TOOK THREE MONTHS. AT LEAST. 

| Qa WAS ANYONE ELSE INVOLVED IN ITS DEVELOPMENT BESIDES 

YOURSELF, AND EDWARD GATES? 

A. WELL. GEORGE WOODWORTH WAS INVOLVED, AS WAS CHARLES 

PULASKI, BUT ALSO THE ATTORNEYS, LEGAL DEFENSE FUND WOULD 

RECEIVE DRAFTS OF THE GUESTIONNAIRE AS WE WORKED THROUGH IT. 

(r DID THEY MAKE ANY SUGGESTIONS FOR CHANGES? 

A YES. THE SUGGESTIONS THAT THEY MADE CONCERNED SUCH MATTERS 

AS WHETHER A PARTICULAR NEW VARIABLE SHOULD BE INCLUDED. ON THE 

BASIS OF THEIR EXPERIENCE, THEY BELIEVED THAT IT WOULD BE 

AFPROPRIATE TO CONSIDER AN ADDITIONAL VARIABLE. FOR EXAMPLE, I 

REMEMBER ONE TIME MR. BOGER SUGGESTED THAT ON THE BASIS OF HIS 

EXPERIENCE IN SOME RECENT CASES THAT HE HAD HANDLED THAT THE 

VARIABLE SHOOTOUT WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE ONE TO INCLUDE ON THE 

QUESTIONNAIRE. 

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SPEAK TO THAT SITUATION DIRECTLY. THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF 

SUGGESTIONS THAT WERE MADE, AND MOST OF THEM WE ADDED INTO THE 

QUESTIONNAIRE AS WE CONSIDERED THEM REASONABLE PROPOSALS. 

@. WHO MADE THE FINAL DECISIONS ON THEIR INCLUSION? 

A. I MADE ALL THE FINAL DECISIONS ON WHAT WENT IN. 

@. DID YOU SOLICIT ADVICE OR SUGGESTIONS FROM ANYONE OTHER 

THAN ED GATES, OR THE LEGAL DEFENSE FUND OR YOUR OTHER 

CO-AUTHORS? | : 

A. VES, THERE WERE A NUMBER OF COLLEAGUES AT THE UNIVERSITY OF 

IOWA THAT WERE AWARE OF THIS PROJECT AND HAD A KEEN INTEREST IN 

IT, AND I SOLICITED THEIR ADVICE. AND ASKED THEM TO READ THE 

QUESTIONNAIRE, AND GET THEIR RESPONSES. 

AND CHARLES PULASKI,» IF MY RECOLLECTION IS CORRECT, DID 

THE SAME THING AT ARIZONA STATE UNIVERSITY WHERE HE WAS LOCATED 

AT THAT TIME. 

@. WHAT WAS YOUR PURPOSE IN SOLICITING THESE SUGGESTIONS FROM 

OTHER PEOPLE? 

A. WELL, THE GOAL IN THE CONSTRUCTION OF THIS QUESTIONNAIRE AS 

WAS THE GOAL IN THE CONSTRUCTION OF OUR PREVIOUS QUESTIONNAIRES 

WAS TO INCLUDE ALL INFORMATION THAT WE THOUGHT WOULD BE 

AVAILABLE IN THE FILES THAT WE WOULD BE CONSULTING THAT MIGHT BE 

RELEVANT IN EVALUATING THE DEATH WORTHINESS OR GENERALLY THE 

SERIOUSNESS OF CASES. BECAUSE IN THIS STUDY WE WERE INTERESTED IN 

MORE THAN SIMPLY ANALYZING THE DEATH SENTENCING QUESTION. THIS 

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VOLUNTARY MANSLAUGHTER AS OPPOSED TO MURDER: DIFFERENTIATE 

BETWEEN PEOPLE WHO RECEIVED DIFFERENT SENTENCES AMONG THE 

POPULATION OF PEOPLE CONVICTED OF VOLUNTARY MANSLAUGHTER. 

FOR MY PROFESSIONAL PURPOSES. THE FOCUS ON CAPITAL 

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PROPOSED TO DO ON THIS DATA SET. $0 WE WERE INTERESTED IN 

COLLECTING A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT WOULD FOCUS ON THE OVERALL 

CULPABILITY LEVELS OF THE CASES WITH RESPECT TO MANY DECISIONS 

IN THE SYSTEM. NOT SIMPLY THE QUESTION OF DEATH WORTHINESS. 

Qe DID ED GATES BRING ANY PARTICULAR EXPERTISE OR HELPFULNESS 

TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE QUESTIONNAIRE? 

A. YES, HE BROUGHT A TREMENDOUS KNOWLEDGE OF TWO THINGS. ONE 

WAS THE EXPERIENCE OF AND THE PROBLEMS CONCERNED WITH CODING THE 

INSTRUMENT IN THE FILES THAT WE WERE GOING TO BE WORKING FROM. 

Q. WHERE DID HE DRAW THAT EXPERIENCE? 

A. ED HAD WORKED IN GEORGIA FOR THE LAST FOUR MONTHS AND HAD 

CODED OVER TWO HUNDRED CASES IN THE FILES THAT WE WERE PLANNING 

TO OBTAIN OUR INFORMATION FROM IN THE CHARGING AND SENTENCING 

STUDY, SO HE HAD —— 

Wd. HE HAD CODED FOR WHAT STUDY? 

A. THE PROCEDURAL REFORM STUDY. 

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QUESTIONNAIRE, OR EXTENSION OF IT. 

THE SECOND POINT WAS THAT ED KNEW INTIMATELY WHAT 

INFORMATION WAS AVAILABLE IN THE FILES THAT, BOTH IN THE FILES 

OF THE PAROLE BOARD AND ALSO IN THE FILES OF THE GEORGIA SUPREME 

COURT. SO THAT ANYTIME A SUGGESTION WAS MADE THAT A PARTICULAR 

VARIABLE SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE QUESTIONNAIRE, WE WERE ABLE 

INFORMATION THE CODERS WOULD LIKELY ENCOUNTER WHEN THEY 

COMMENCED THE ACTIVITY THAT SUMMER. 

SO I WOULD STUDY THE LITERATURE AND COME UP WITH IDEAS 

AND ED WOULD DRAFT THESE IDEAS IN TERMS OF WHAT HIS EXPERIENCE HAD 

BEEN. 

Ql. LET ME ASK YOU AT THIS TIME TO TURN TO WHAT’S BEEN MARKED 

AS DB-38 IDENTIFICATION AND ASK IF YOU CAN IDENTIFY THE 

DOCUMENT? 

A. YES, DB-338 IS THE QUESTIONNAIRE THAT WAS USED TO COLLECT 

INFORMATION IN THE PAROLE BOARD IN THE SUMMER OF 1981 FOR THE 

CHARGING AND SENTENCING STUDY. 

A. THATS YOUR SECOND STUDY? 

A. THATS RIGHT. 

Q. NOW. I NOTICE AT THE VERY TOP OF THAT DOCUMENT ON ITS FIRST 

PAGE, THERE IS SOMETHING WRITTEN IN IN PENCIL OR PEN. 

CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT THAT ISY 

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QUESTIONNAIRE. 

IT’S UP AT THE TOP, YOUR HONOR, -- 

THE COURT: WHERE IT SAYS "SUP?" 

THE WITNESS: "SUP." EXACTLY. 

WHAT HAPPENED WAS, WE DRAFTED THE CRIGINAL 

QUESTIONNAIRE IN. I THINK IT WAS MAY OF 1981, AND THEN WE RAN 

OFF AN ENORMOUS NUMBER OF COPIES, EIGHT HUNDRED OR SO 

COPIES, AND BROUGHT THEM TO GEORGIA TO COMMENCE THE CODING 

OPERATIONS. AND WE LEARNED THAT THROUGH OVERSIGHT IN TYPING 

THAT WE HAD OMITTED THREE OR FOUR VARIABLES. AND THOSE 

VARIABLES HAD TO BE WRITTEN IN BY HAND BY THE CODER DURING THE 

SUMMER. 

FINALLY, WHEN THOSE QUESTIONNAIRES WERE USED UP, WE HAD 

ANOTHER EDITION WITH THOSE VARIABLES TYPED IN. AND THATS WHAT 

THAT "SUP" MEANS, THAT THIS IS THAT ADDITION. 

BY MR. BOGER: 

Qa SO THE SAME INFORMATION WAS COLLECTED BOTH ON THE CASES 

CODED UNDER THE FIRST VERSION OF THIS QUESTIONNAIRE, AND THE 

SECOND VERSION? 

A. YES. 

Q. BUT IT WAS HANDWRITTEN IN THE FIRST ONE AND TYPED IN THE 

SECOND ONE, IS THAT CORRECT? 

A. THATS CORRECT. 

Re IF WE COULD, LET’S GO THROUGH THIS QUESTIONNAIRE. NOT IN 

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Ae. THE FIRST PAGE OF THE QUESTIONNAIRE GIVES A PROCEDURAL 

OVERVIEW, WHERE THE OFFENSE OCCURRED. STATE, COUNTY OF 

CONVICTION, WHO THE PARTICIPANTS WERE. AND THE JUDICIAL PROCESS 

THAT HANDLED THE CASE. 

PAGE 2 IS DETAILED ACCOUNT OF THE CHARGES THAT WERE 

BROUGHT AGAINST THE OFFENDER. AND WHAT THE DISPOSITION OF EACH 

OF THOSE CHARGES WAS. 

IN MANY OF THESE CASES. THERE ARE MULTIFLE COUNTS, 

VARIETY OF OFFENSES CHARGED. AND WE CONSIDERED IT IMPORTANT TO 

BE ABLE TO CAPTURE THAT DETAIL. 

THE COURT: CRIME ONE, CRIME TWO, THEN, DOES NOT REFER 

TO PAST RECORD, IT REFERS TO COUNTS OF THE INDICTMENT? 

THE WITNESS: YES, YOUR HONOR, THAT“S RIGHT. THESE ARE 

ALL THE OFFENSES CHARGED IN THE INSTANT CASE THAT WERE 

ANALYZING. 

PAGE 3 AGAIN RELATES TO MORE PROCEDURAL MATTERS. 

WHETHER THERE WAS A PENALTY TRIAL, IF THE CASE RESULTED IN A 

MURDER CONVICTION. 

THEN QUESTIONS 39, CORRECTION, QUESTIONS 40 THROUGH 43 

GO TO THE QUESTION OF WHETHER OR NOT THERE WAS A PLEA BARGAIN IN 

THE CASE. 

BY MR. BOGER: 

Qe. LET ME BE CLEAR FOR THE RECORD ON THAT. YOU REFERRED TO 

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PAGE AND NUMBERING ON THE RIGHT UNDERNEATH THE FOIL? 

A. LET ME CLARIFY, YOUR HONOR. 

THE NUMBERS COMING DOWN THE LEFT SIDE OF THE PAGES IN 

THIS QUESTIONNAIRE WE REFER TO AS QUESTION NUMBERS. 

THE NUMBERS DOWN THE RIGHT SIDE THAT ARE UNDERNEATH THE 

BARS THOSE ARE WHAT WE REFER TO AS VARIABLE NUMBERS. 

THE COURT: AS WHAT? 

THE WITNESS: VARIABLE NUMBERS. 

S0, I ACTUALLY MISSPOKE A MOMENT AGO WHEN I REFERRED TO 

QUESTION 40. WHAT 1 SHOULD HAVE REFERRED TO WAS VARIABLE 40 

WHICH RELATES TO QUESTION 14. 

AND VARIABLES 40 THROUGH 43 RELATE TO WHETHER OR NOT 

THERE WAS A PLEA BARGAIN OFFERED OR ACCEPTED. 

AT THE VERY BOTTOM OF THIS PAGE, THERE IS INFORMATION 

THAT APPLIES ONLY TO PENALTY TRIAL CASES, INDICATING WHAT 

FACTORS WERE CHARGED, WHAT FACTORS WERE FOUND IF INDEED THERE 

HAD BEEN A PENALTY TRIAL IN THE CASE. 

THEN THE FINAL BIT OF PROCEDURAL INFORMATION IS ON PAGE 

4 THAT RELATES TO WHETHER OR NOT THERE HAD BEEN AN APPEAL AND IF 

SO, WHAT THE OUTCOME OF THE APPEAL, AND WHAT THE CITATION IN 

THE GEORGIA REPORTS OF THE OPINION WAS. 

THEN WE COMMENCE ON 4 WITH CHARACTERISTICS OF THE 

DEFENDANT. THIS QUESTIONNAIRE DOES NOT EMBRACE ALL THE RELEVANT 

CHARACTERISTICS OF THE DEFENDANT BECAUSE WE INCLUDED IN THE 

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BUT THIS WAS INFORMATION THAT WAS AVAILABLE IN THE PAROLE BOARD 

ABOUT THE CHARACTERISTICS OF THE DEFENDANT, AND IT WAS RICHER 

INFORMATION THAN WE COULD FIND IN THE DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS, 

AND THATS THE REASON WE HAVE THIS HERE AT THIS STAGE. 

ON PAGE &, WE BEGIN AN EXTENSIVE SECTION DEALING WITH 

THE PRIOR RECORD OF THE DEFENDANT. VARIABLES 71 THROUGH 80. 

AND THEN THAT IS INTERRUPTED ON PAGE 7. YOUR HONOR. 

YOU‘LL SEE THERE WHERE THE VARIABLES JUMP FROM 80 TO 131. 

THOSE QUESTIONS THERE RELATE FROM 131 TO 134A, RELATE 

TO THE GUESTION OF CONTEMPORANEQUS OFFENSES THAT WERE COMMITTED. 

THOSE ARE OUT OF ORDER SIMPLY FOR EASE IN COMPLETION OF THE 

QUESTIONNAIRE AND THE ADMINISTRATION OF PUTTING THE 

QUESTIONNAIRE TOGETHER. 

THE FOLLOWING PAGE. 8, PICKS UP AGAIN ON PRIOR RECORD, 

AND HERE THESE CODES RELATE TO ACTUAL PRIOR OFFENSES THAT YOU 

SEE ON THE TOP OF PAGE 8. 

AND ED GATES WILL EXPLAIN TO YOU IN MORE DETAIL. 

EVENTUALLY. HOW THE MECHANICS OF COMPLETING THIS ARE, OF COURSE, 

YOUR HONOR. I“LL BE DELIGHTED TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE 

ABOUT THE MECHANICS OF HOW ONE MIGHT CODE ONE OF THESE, IF 1 

COULD PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION NOW. 

BUT THIS PROVIDED US WITH THE VEHICLE TO ENTER A VERY 

RICH SET OF INFORMATION ABOUT THE PRIOR RECORD OF THE OFFENDER. 

ON PAGE 9 WE COMPLETE THE MATERIAL CN THE RECORD OF THE 

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BY MR. BOGER: 

QA. 1S THERE ROOM IN THIS QUESTIONNAIRE IF THERE WERE MULTIPLE 

| VICTIMS TO GIVE INFORMATION ABOUT THE STATUS OF THOSE VICTIMS? 

A. YES, WE HAD A SUPPLEMENTAL SCHEDULE FOR MULTI-VICTIM CASES. 

THOSE SCHEDULES. YOUR HONOR, ARE AT THE END OF THIS 

EXHIBIT, AND THEY INCLUDE A RELATIVELY BRIEF SERIES OF QUESTIONS 

CONCERNING THE VICTIM’S CHARACTERISTICS. 

THEN PAGE 12. WE START ON THE CHARACTERISTICS OF THE 

OFFENSE, AND THESE SECTIONS OF THE QUESTIONNAIRE TRACE, 

CORRECTION, TRACK THE. MUCH THE SAME FORMAT THAT WAS USED IN THE 

PROCEDURAL REFORM STUDY DEALING WITH THE METHOD OF KILLING. 

SPECIAL AGGRAVATING CIRCUMSTANCES OF THE VICTIM ON 14. 

THE COURT: WAIT JUST A SECOND. 

THE WITNESS: 1 BEG YOUR PARDON, YOUR HONOR. 

THE COURT: 1I“M CATCHING UP WITH YOU. 

THE WITNESS: OH. THEN 15 -- 

THE COURT: WAIT JUST A SECOND, LET ME LOOK AT 14. 

THE WITNESS: CORRECT. 

THE COURT: ALL RIGHT. 

THE WITNESS: THEN OVER ON 15 WE HAVE THE SPECIAL 

AGGRAVATING FEATURES OF THE OFFENSE. THESE ARE THE FACTORS THAT 

ARE MOST RELEVANT TO THE STATUTORY AGGRAVATING CIRCUMSTANCES OF 

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CASES. 

THOSE AGGRAVATING FACTORS CONTINUE OVER ONTO PAGE 16» 

TOP OF THE PAGE. 

AND THEN WE PICK UP THE MATERIAL ON THE 

CO-PERPETRATORS. THE NUMBER OF CO-PERPETRATORS. 

AND THEN ON PAGE 17, THERE ARE A SERIES OF DETAILED 

QUESTIONS WHICH DELINEATE THE OFFENDER‘S ROLE IN THE CRIME, 

VIS-A-VIS CO~-PERPETRATORS. WHEN THERE ARE CO-PERPETRATORS 

PRESENT. 

THE NEXT SECTION, RATHER. PAGE, 18, IDENTIFIES THE 

CO-PERPETRATORS BY NAME, THEIR ROLE IN THE VIOLENCE, AND THE 

CONTEMPORANEOUS OFFENSE. 

ON PAGE 19 WE HAVE INFORMATION CONCERNING DISPOSITION 

OF THEIR CASES, WHETHER THEY WERE INVOLVED IN TESTIMONY OR INVOLVED 

IN PROCEEDINGS THAT AFFECTED THE INSTANT CASE THAT'S BEING 

CODED. 

ON PAGE 20 WE HAVE AN OVERVIEW OF THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE 

KILLED, BOTH BY THE DEFENDANT AND BY CO-DEFENDANTS, OR RATHER 

CO-PERPETRATORS, NUMBER OF PEOPLE INJURED, THE AMOUNT OF FIRING 

OF SHOTS. 

THEN WE MOVE INTO. ON PAGE 21, WE MOVE INTO MITIGATING 

CIRCUMSTANCES. THOSE RELATED TO THE DEFENDANT WERE LAID OUT ON 

PAGE 21, THOSE RELATED TO THE BEHAVIOR OF THE VICTIM ARE 

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DEFENSE ON THE MATTER OF LIABILITY ASSERTED BY THE DEFENDANT. IF 

ONE WAS ASSERTED. 

IN SOME CASES. AS VARIABLE 321D THERE INDICATES. IN A 

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12 UNTIL THE END OF THE QUESTIONNAIRE, I BELIEVE. 

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16 Q. -- PROFESSOR BALDUS. YOU TESTIFIED EARLIER THAT THERE WAS 

17 VERY LITTLE LITERATURE ON THE STRENGTH OF THE EVIDENCE. 

18 HOW DID YOU GO ABOUT. THEREFORE, CONSTRUCTING THIS 

& 19 PORTION OF THE QUESTIONNAIRE? 

20 Ae. WELL, I READ THE LITERATURE, AND I SPOKE ON THE PHONE WITH 

21 THE PEOPLE WHO HAD WORK IN PROGRESS ON THE SUBJECT TO TRY AND 

22 FIND OUT WHAT THE LATEST DEVELOPMENTS WERE AND GET COPIES OF 

23 THEIR INSTRUMENTS. AND ON THE BASIS OF THAT INQUIRY, I GOT A 

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MOMENT, AND THEN 1 DREW ON ED’S EXPERTISE ABOUT WHAT INFORMATION 

WAS AVAILABLE IN THESE FILES. ACTUALLY WE HAD MORE INFORMATION 

AVAILABLE IN THESE FILES THAT RELATE TO THE STRENGTH OF THE 

EVIDENCE THAN MOST INVESTIGATORS HERETOFORE WHO HAVE SOUGHT TO 

MEASURE STRENGTH OF THE EVIDENCE HAD HAD AVAILABLE TO THEM. SO 

I SAW THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO BE ABLE DEVELOP ON A MUCH 

MORE COMPREHENSIVE SET OF MEASURES ON THE STRENGTH OF THE 

EVIDENCE THAN HAD BEEN HERETOFORE UNDERTAKEN. THAT WAS THE 

BASIC PROCEDURE THAT WAS USED. 

QR. DID YOU DRAW ANY RESOURCES OF EXPERTISE, PEOPLE IN THE 

CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM OR OTHERS, ABOUT WHAT MADE FOR STRENGTH 

OF THE EVIDENCE? 

A. YES. 1 HAD READ A SUBSTANTIAL BODY OF THE LITERATURE, 

THERES NOT THAT LARGE LITERATURE, BUT THERE ARE EMPIRICAL 

STUDIES THAT HAVE BEEN SUPPORTED BY L.E.A.A. AND OTHERS ON THE 

MATTER OF STRENGTH OF EVIDENCE AND WHAT THE MATTERS YOU ARE THAT 

PROSECUTORS TAKE INTO ACCOUNT IN MAKING THESE DECISIONS. 

AND ALSO THERE“S A THEORETICAL LITERATURE ABOUT IT OR 

MORE OF AN IMPRESSIONISTIC LITERATURE ABOUT WHAT PROSECUTORS AND 

JURIES TAKE INTO ACCOUNT IN MAKING DETERMINATIONS. FOR EXAMPLE, 

IN THE DEATH SENTENCING CONTEXT. THE NOTION OF A LINGERING 

DOUBT. THE IDEA THAT IF THERE IS A LINGERING DOUBT ABOUT THE 

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IN OUR ANALYSIS. 

80 1 CONSULTED THE LITERATURE GENERALLY,» AND THEN 

CONSULTED ED AS TO WHAT AVAILABLE INFORMATION ON THESE QUESTIONS 

WE COULD GET FROM THE PAROLE BOARD FILES. 

a. WHAT KIND OF FACTORS DID YOU COME UP WITH AS WE PROCEED 

THROUGH THE QUESTIONNAIRE. NOW? 

A. WELL, WE START OFF WITH THE FIRST QUESTION OF WHAT THE 

POLICE REPORT SAYS.» AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THE PERSON WAS GUILTY 

OR NOT. AND MOST OF THESE CASES WERE CHARGED WITH MURDER. AS I 

INDICATED, AND YOU CAN LOOK AT A POLICE REPORT, AND PRETTY 

QUICKLY MAKE AN INFERENCE AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THE PERSON AT 

LEAST WHO WROTE THE REPORT STRONGLY BELIEVED THAT THE PERSON WAS 

GUILTY ON THE BASIS OF WHAT THEY KNEW. 

Q. WHERE WERE THE POLICE REPORTS AVAILABLE? 

A. NOW, THE POLICE REPORT IS ONE OF THE BITS OF INFORMATION 

THAT WAS AVAILABLE IN THE FILES OF THE DEPARTMENT OF PARDONS AND 

PAROLES. IT WAS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT SOURCES OF 

INFORMATION WE HAD. AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT ED GATES CAN 

TESTIFY IN MUCH MORE DETAIL ABOUT, SINCE HE WAS, HAD HIS HANDS 

ON HUNDREDS OF THESE. 

BUT 1°VE READ A NUMBER OF THEM MYSELF, AND YQU CET THE 

PICTURE PRETTY QUICKLY AS TO WHAT THE VIEW OF THE GUILT OF THE 

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STRENGTH OF THE EVIDENCE. 

THEN WE WANTED TO TRY AND MAKE MORE DETAILED 

DIFFERENTIATIONS IN TERMS OF THIS QUESTION. THE FIRST WAS WHAT 

SORT OF IDENTIFICATION, THE BASIC STRUCTURE OF THIS IN TERMS OF 

KINDS OF WITNESSES YOU HAVE, THE KINDS OF ADMISSIONS YOU HAVE, 

KINDS OF SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE YOU HAVE. THESE GENERAL CONCEPTUAL 

CATEGORIES WERE WHAT I DREW OUT OF THE EXISTING LITERATURE. THE 

EXISTING SCIENTIFIC LITERATURE ON THE SUBJECT. THESE WERE THE 

PRINCIPAL DETERMINANTS. KINDS OF THINGS THAT INFLUENCE DECISIONS 

OF PROSECUTORS IN DETERMINING WHETHER TO PLEA BARGAIN OR TO 

PROCEED AHEAD WITH THE TRIAL OF THE CASE. $50, THE —— 

Q. I SUSPECT THE RECORD PROBABLY DOESN‘T NEED THIS 

CLARIFICATION, BUT JUST ON THE OFF CHANCE THAT IT DOES. IS IT 

YOUR TESTIMONY, EXAMPLE, THE MORE WITNESS STATEMENTS THERE WERE 

AND THE MORE CLEARLY THE BALLISTICS EVIDENCE OR FORENSIC 

EVIDENCE POINTED TOWARD THE DEFENDANT, THE STRONGER THE STRENGTH 

OF EVIDENCE MEASURE WOULD SHOW UP AS A RESULT OF THIS 

QUESTIONNAIRE? 

Ae. YES. THE RESEARCH THAT HAS BEEN DONE SHOWS THAT IF YOU HAD 

TWO WITNESSES OR IF YOU HAD A POLICE OFFICER AS A WITNESS, SAY, 

THAT THAT REALLY STRENGTHENED THE CASE SUBSTANTIALLY. THAT WAS 

AN IMPORTANT MEASURE OF THE STRENGTH OF THE EVIDENCE. 

SIMILARLY IF YOU HAD ADMISSIONS BY THE OFFENDER, OR 

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1 SO WE WERE GUIDED BY THIS PRIOR RESEARCH THAT HAD 

2 | INDICATED THE THINGS THAT APPEARED TO BE MOST IMPORTANT TO THE 

PROSECUTORS. 

THATS THE REASON YOU CAN SEE. YOUR HONOR, PAGE 24, WE 

MAKE A DIFFERENTIATION BETWEEN THE WITNESS, WHO THE WITNESS WAS. 

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6 WHETHER IT WAS A POLICE OFFICER OR CIVILIAN, THE TYPE OF 

7 IDENTIFICATION THAT WAS MADE. WHETHER IT WAS IN THE ACT OF THE 

8 HOMICIDE, SOMEBODY NEAR THE CRIME, SCENE OF THE CRIME BEFORE OR 

9 AFTER, WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS AT A LINE-UP. THAT SORT OF THING, 

10 THE NATURE OF THE, NATURE OF THE IDENTIFICATION. I“M SORRY. THE 

11 NATURE OF THE IDENTIFICATION, EXCUSE ME. IS ON PAGE 25, YOUR 

12 HONOR. IT’S, 25 SPECIFIES THE TYPE OF IDENTIFICATION THAT WAS 

13 ACTUALLY INVOLVED. 

14 THEN WE WERE CONCERNED ON THE BASIS OF THE EXISTING 

15 RESEARCH, THAT, YOU KNOW, IF THE WITNESS. WHAT THE RELATIONSHIP 

16 OF THE WITNESS AND THE OFFENDER WERE, COULD AFFECT THE STRENGTH 

37 OF THE EVIDENCE. WHETHER OR NOT THERE WERE CORROBORATING 

18 WITNESSES, WRITTEN COPIES IN THE FILES OF THE PAROLE BOARD. 

W 19 NEXT. VERY IMPORTANT CATEGORY OF EVIDENCE WAS ON PAGE 

20 27, WHICH CONCERNED STATEMENTS BY THE DEFENDANT AND 

21 CO~-PERFPETRATORS TO POLICE. 

22 AND PAGE 28 SPEAKS TO THE SUBJECT MATTER OF THOSE, 

23 WHETHER THEY RELATED TO MOTIVE, FORM OF THE STATEMENT. 

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EVIDENCE. WHICH IN OUR LATER ANALYSES EMERGED TO BE IMPORTANT. 

THESE ARE THE TRADITIONAL TYPES OF SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE THAT 

WOULD BE AVAILABLE. SOME OF IT IS NOT SO SCIENTIFIC, YOU KNOW. 

JUST POSSESSION OF ARTICLES OBTAINED FROM THE DEFENDANT. 

PAGE 31 TALKS ABOUT THE RELATIONSHIP OF THE PROPERTY 

FOUND ON THE DEFENDANT, OR IN HIS PREMISES. 

AND FINALLY, WE HAVE OUR MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS ON THE 

MIDDLE OF 31, AND DOWN AT THE BOTTOM, THE MURDER WEAPON, WHICH 

IS OBVIOUSLY OF CENTRAL IMPORTANCE IN SUCH LITIGATION. 

AND AGAIN, SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE RELATING TO A BALLISTIC 

REPORT 1S REFERRED TO ON PAGE 32. 

MEDICAL REPORTS REFERRED TO ON PAGE 33. 

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THEN FINALLY. 34 TALKS ABOUT THE LESS WEIGHTY. BUT 

SOMETIMES VERY IMPORTANT TYPES OF EVIDENCE. EVIDENCE OF 

PREPARATION OR PRECIPITATING EVENTS. AND THE KINDS OF WITNESSES 

THAT MAY HAVE OBSERVED THE DEFENDANT INVOLVED IN ANY OF THESE 

ACTIVITIES WHICH WOULD PROVIDE CIRCUMSTANTIAL EVIDENCE AS TO THE 

DEFENDANT “S INVOLVEMENT, AND MOTIVE IN THE CRIME. AND HOMICIDE. 

AND FINALLY WE COME TO PAGE 36. WE COME TO THE SUMMARY 

OF THE CASE. 

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2 A. YES, AND HERE 1 WAS ADVISED BY ED THAT THE NORMAL PRACTICE 

3 WOULD BE TO FILL OUT THE SUMMARY BEFORE THE INSTRUMENT WAS 

4 CODED. BUT SOMETIMES THAT PRACTICE WOULD BE VARIED. BUT THAT 

35 WAS THE GENERAL PRACTICE. 

é BUT IN ALL CASES, THIS SUMMARY WAS COMPLETED AND ED 

» 7 WILL EXPLAIN TO YOU HOW HE EVALUATED THESE SUMMARIES AGAINST THE 

8 QUESTIONNAIRES AND THE RECORDS. THESE SUMMARIES WERE ABSOLUTELY 

J ESSENTIAL TO OUR SUBSEQUENT WORK, AND AS IS NOTED HERE ON THE 

10 INSTRUCTIONS THAT THE CODERS WERE ASKED TO EMPHASIZE ANY SPECIAL 

11 CIRCUMSTANCES NOT PICKED UP IN THE PRECEDING QUESTIONS. EVEN 

12 WITH A QUESTIONNAIRE AS ELABORATE AS THIS, THERE ARE NUANCES IN 

13 THE CASE WHICH WOULD NOT BE REFLECTED IN THE QUESTIONNAIRE 

14 | PROPER. 

1s |@. BEYOND THE END OF THE QUESTIONNAIRE, I NOTE ON PAGE 37 AND 

16 |ON PAGE 38, WOULD YOU EXPLAIN WHAT THOSE WERE? 

17 |A. YES. THESE WERE NOTES THAT THE CODERS WERE ASKED TO MAKE 

18 | CONCERNING THE. ANY AMBIGUITY THEY FOUND IN THE FILE, AND HOW 

® 19 | THEY RESOLVED THEM. 

20 |@. WHAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF LISTING THESE AMBIGUITIES? 

21 |A. TO ENABLE US AT A LATER TIME IF WE CAME TO A POINT OF | 

22 |MAKING CLOSE FACTUAL COMPARISONS OF THE CASES TO BE ABLE TO 

23  |WEIGH THE IMPORTANCE OF THESE FACTORS, THAT IS, IF THERE WERE 

24 | QUESTIONS ABOUT WHETHER SOMETHING EXISTED AT A LATER TIME WHEN 

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DETERMINATION. 

ONE OF OUR PURPOSES HERE. YOUR HONOR. WAS TO BE ABLE TO 

GET GROUPS OF ACTUAL SUMMARIES OF THE CASES TOGETHER. SO WE 

WOULDN’T BE RELYING SIMPLY ON A STRICTLY STATISTICAL METHOD OF 

ANALYZING CASES. BUT BE ABLE TO LOOK AT THESE CASES AND SORT 

THEM INTO CATEGORIES THAT WOULD REFLECT SOME JUDGEMENT AS TO THE 

RELATIVE CULPABILITY, AND MAKE COMPARISONS BETWEEN CASES. 

Gl. WHEN YOU SAY LOOK AT THESE CASES. YOU MEAN LOOK BEYOND 

NUMBERS TO CHARACTERISTICS, THAT SORT OF THING? 

A. YES. YOU WANTED TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT THE CASES IN THE SAME 

WAY THAT A PROSECUTOR WHO HAD RECEIVED A REPORT ON A CASE 

PRESENTED TO HIM MIGHT LOOK AT THE CASE, AND WE WANTED TO 

CAPTURE THE NUANCES THAT MIGHT BE AVAILABLE. 

Q. PAGE 38, WHAT DOES THAT REFLECT? 

Aa 38, YOUR HONOR IS A WORKSHEET THAT WE PREPARED IN CASES 

WHERE WE HAD MISSING INFORMATION ON THE RACE OF THE VICTIM. BUT 

ALSO IT WAS A WORKSHEET THAT WE PREPARED IN EVERY CASE TO GIVE 

US A PERMANENT RECORD OF WHO THE DEFENSE ATTORNEY WAS. WHAT THE 

ADDRESS OF THE DEFENSE ATTORNEY WAS. IF IT WAS IN THE RECORD. 

THAT INFORMATION WAS USUALLY IN THE RECORD OF THE PAROLE BOARD. 

AND ALSO INDICATED WHO THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY WAS, AND THE NAME 

OF THE ASSISTANT DISTRICT ATTORNEY WHO ACTUALLY TRIED THE CASE. 

SO IF WE NEEDED INFORMATION ON, ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, WE COULD 

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3 AND THAT'S WHY WE NEEDED THE NAMES OF DEFENSE ATTORNEY 

3 AND PROSECUTOR IN EACH CASE SO WE WOULD BE ABLE TO SEND THEM A 

s | QUESTIONNAIRE TO GET INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT PLEA BARGAINING HAD 

& | GONE ON IN THE CASE. AND THAT“S WHAT THIS WAS USED FOR, TO PUT 

» 7 | TOGETHER THE MAILINGS THAT WE ULTIMATELY SENT OUT TO THOSE 

2 PEOPLE. ; 

9 MR. BOGER! YOUR HONOR, AT THIS TIME, 1 MOVE THE 

10 | ADMISSION OF DB-38 INTO EVIDENCE. 

11 MS. WESTMORELAND: NO OBJECTION. YOUR HONOR. 

12 THE COURT: IT WILL BE ADMITTED. 

13 | BY MR. BOGER: 

14 |@. PROFESSOR BALDUS, WE’VE GOT SOME SENSE NOW OF THE KIND OF 

15 | VARIABLES THAT YOU WERE PLANNING TO COLLECT ON THESE CASES. THAT 

164 | YOU IDENTIFIED THROUGH THE SAMPLING TECHNIQUE FROM THE 

17 | DEPARTMENT OF OFFENDER REHABILITATION. 

18 WHAT SOURCES DID YOU INTEND TO DRAW ON TO COLLECT THESE 

19 DATA? 

20 A WE INTENDED TO COLLECT THESE DATA FROM THE SAME SOURCES 

21 THAT WE HAD USED IN THE LATTER HALF OF THE SECOND PART OF THE 

22 PROCEDURAL REFORM STUDY. THAT IS, THE PRINCIPAL SOURCE OF 

23 INFORMATION CONCERNING THE OFFENDER. THE OFFENSE, AND THE VICTIM 

24 WERE TO BE OBTAINED FROM THE RECORDS OF THE GEORGIA DEPARTMENT 

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THOSE WERE TO BE SUPPLEMENTED WITH INFORMATION FROM THE 

BUREAU OF VITAL STATISTICS. QUESTIONNAIRES TO LAWYERS AND 

PROSECUTORS, AND IN SOME CASES. WITH INFORMATION FROM THE 

RECORDS OF THE GEORGIA SUPREME COURT, AND THEN ALL OF THESE 

FILES, THIS ENTIRE FILE OF INFORMATION WOULD BE MERGED WITH THE 

LARGE FILE OF INFORMATION FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS, 

WHO AGREED TO GIVE us A TAPE ON THE HANDFUL OF VARIABLES THAT WE 

HAD REQUESTED THAT INFORMATION ON FROM THEM. 

QA. LET ME ASK YOU TO TURN TO DB-3%9 MARKED FOR IDENTIFICATION, 

AND ASK YOU TO IDENTIFY IT? 

Fe YES. THIS DOCUMENT, CALLED "SOURCES OF DATA" PRESENTS A 

SCHEMATIC REPRESENTATION OF THE VARIOUS SOURCES OF INFORMATION 

THAT WE USED IN THIS STUDY. 

Qo. DOES IT ACCURATELY REFLECT THOSE SOURCES? 

A. IT ACCURATELY REFLECTS IT WITH ONE EXCEPTION. WHERE IT 

SAYS "DEPARTMENT OF OFFENDER REHABILITATION" IT NOTES BELOW 

“MAGNETIC TAPE 1 AND MAGNETIC TAPE 2." I THINK THAT'S A 

TYPOGRAPHICAL ERROR. THERE WAS ONLY ONE MAGNETIC TAPE THAT WE 

OBTAINED. 

Q. OTHERWISE, IS IT AN ACCURATE SCHEMATIC? 

A. YES, IT 18S. 

MR. BOGER: YOUR HONOR. I MOVE DB-3% INTO EVIDENCE. TO 

ASSIST IN EVALUATION OF PROFESSOR BALDUS” TESTIMONY. AND IS 

ILLUSTRATIVE OF IT. 

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3 | QUALIFICATION, YOUR HONOR. 

4 MR. BOGER: ILL BE HAPPY TO DO THAT. YOUR HONOR. 

s THE COURT: MR. BOGER, LET ME TAKE A TEN-MINUTE BREAK 

& | AND WE‘LL COME BACK AND RUN TILL QUARTER OF ONE. 

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12 | BEING PREVIOUSLY DULY SWORN, RESUMED THE WITNESS STAND AND 

{ 13 | TESTIFIED FURTHER AS FOLLOWS: 

| 14 DIRECT EXAMINATION (CONT”D) 

15 | BY MR. BOGER: 

16 |@. PROFESSOR BALDUS, ONCE YOU HAD IDENTIFIED THE SOURCES OF 

17 | DATA THAT YOU WANTED TO EMPLOY, DID YOU GO THROUGH MUCH THE SAME 

13 | PROCEDURE AS IN THE PROCEDURAL REFORM STUDY TO OBTAIN ACCESS TO 

15 | DATA. FOR EXAMPLE. FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF OFFENDER 

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21 A. YES. I HAD. WROTE TO THE DEPARTMENT AND OBTAINED 

22 PERMISSION FROM THEM IN THE SAME WAY AS WE HAD DONE EARLIER. AND 

23 THEN SUBMITTED A SPECIFIC REQUEST FOR DATA. 

24 ACTUALLY. WE SUBMITTED REQUESTS EARLIER TO GET A 

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CONVICTED OF MURDER OR VOLUNTARY MANSLAUGHTER TO GET A SENSE OF 

HOW BIG A POPULATION OF PEOPLE WE WERE DEALING WITH. 

AND THERE WAS SUBSTANTIAL CORRESPONDENCE THAT WENT BACK 

AND FORTH BETWEEN ME AND THE DEPARTMENT ON REQUESTS FOR THOSE 

SORTS OF RUNS. 

Q. LET ME ASK YOU TO TURN TO WHAT’S BEEN MARKED FOR 

IDENTIFICATION, DB-40 FOR IDENTIFICATION. I“LL ASK YOU TO 

IDENTIFY THOSE DOCUMENTS. 

A. YES. DB-40 CONSISTS OF A SERIES OF COMMUNICATIONS THAT I 

HAD WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS DURING THE EARLY PART OF 

1981 IN WHICH I REQUESTED INFORMATION ON THE NAMES OF PEOPLE 

CONVICTED OF VOLUNTARY MANSLAUGHTER AND MURDER SO THAT WE COULD 

GET AN UNDERSTANDING OF HOW LARGE A POPULATION WE WERE DEALING 

WITH. 

THEN FINALLY. OVER ON THE FIFTH DOCUMENT IN THIS 

EXHIBIT, CONSISTS OF THE FORMAL REQUEST THAT 1 PRESENTED TO THE 

DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS. IT’S A LETTER DATED JUNE 11, 1981, 

TO MARSHA CHALKER IN THE DEPARTMENT. AND IT SPECIFIED BY WAY OF 

APPENDIX A THE PRECISE VARIABLES ON WHICH WE WERE REQUESTING HER 

TO PREPARE A TAPE. 

Qe. AND HOW HAD YOU ARRIVED AT THAT LIST OF VARIABLES? 

A. THE DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS SENT ME A COPY OF THEIR FULL 

FILE ON EACH OFFENDER. ACTUALLY THERE HAD BEEN A LOT OF CHANGES 

MADE IN THE RECORD KEEPING SYSTEM IN THE DEPARTMENT SINCE OUR 

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SHE SENT ME THAT DOCUMENT AND EXPLAINED TO ME WHAT EACH VARIABLE 

MEANT. IF IT WASN‘T SELF-EXPLANATORY. AND THEN I PICKED OUT THE 

VARIABLES I THOUGHT WERE RELEVANT FOR OUR STUDY, AND SPECIFIED 

THEM IN APPENDIX A. 

AND THEN SHE PICKED THOSE VARIABLES OFF THEIR LARGE 

MASTER TAPE AND PUT THEM IN THE FILE FOR ALL THE OFFENDERS THAT 

WE HAD REQUESTED THE INFORMATION ON. 

Wd. SO YOU DID RECEIVE THE DOCUMENTS OR THE TAPE THAT YOU 

REQUESTED? 

Ae YES. 

MR. BOGER: YOUR HONOR, AT THIS TIME, I MOVE DB-40 INTO 

EVIDENCE AS REFLECTING THE DOCUMENTS BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN 

PROFESSOR BALDUS AND THE DEPARTMENT OF OFFENDER REHABILITATION 

WHICH RESULTED IN HIS RECEIPT OF THE MAGNETIC TAPE. 

MS. WESTMORELAND: YOUR HONOR. I THINK THE ONLY 

RELEVANT POINT FROM THIS IS THAT PROFESSOR BALDUS DID RECEIVE 

THE DATA FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF OFFENDER REHABILITATION. 

VARIOUS COMMUNICATIONS THAT TOOK PLACE IN OBTAINING THAT DATA 

DON‘T SEEM TO HAVE ANY RELEVANCY AT THIS TIME. SINCE THE DATA 

HAS APPARENTLY BEEN OBTAINED. 

MR. BOGER: YOUR HONOR, THE PREVIOUS SIMILAR DOCUMENTS, 

I BELIEVE, WERE ADMITTED IN EVIDENCE WITH RESPECT TO THE 

PROCEDURAL REFORM STUDY AND I THINK THE REASONING OF THE COURT 

IN THAT INSTANCE WAS A GOOD ONE. THIS TENDS, IF YOU WOULD, TO 

SHOW THE TRAIN OF CUSTODY OF THESE DOCUMENTS, REFLECTS HOW 

  

  
  

  

  

 



  

  

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PROFESSOR BALDUS CAME TO OBTAIN THEM FROM THE STATE AND ITS 

WEIGHT MAY NOT BE GREAT BUT ITS RELEVANCE IS CLEAR. 

THE COURT: ILL ADMIT IT. 

MR. BOGER: THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR. 

BY MR. BOGER: 

Q. PROFESSOR BALDUS, DID YOU NOTIFY ANYONE ELSE IN THE STATE 

OF GEORGIA, BEYOND THE DEPARTMENT OF OFFENDER REHABILITATION AND 

DEPARTMENT OF PAROLES AND PROBATIONS THAT YOU WERE ABOUT TO 

UNDERTAKE COLLECTION OF DATA IN THE CHARGING AND SENTENCING 

STUDY? 

Ae. YES, I DID. 

Qe. WHO? 

A. I SENT A COMMUNICATION TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL OF THE STATE 

OF GEORGIA IN MAY OF 1981 -- 

Q. AND WHAT —-- EXCUSE ME. 

A. -— EXPLAINING THAT WE WERE ABOUT TO UNDERTAKE THIS STUDY. 

IT OCCURRED TO ME EARLIER THAT SINCE THERE WAS A POSSIBILITY 

THAT THESE RESULTS FROM THE STUDY WE WERE UNDERTAKING MIGHT BE 

USED IN SOME FUTURE LITIGATION INVOLVING THE STATE OF GEORGIA, 

THAT IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO PUT THEM ON NOTICE TO THAT 

EFFECT, THAT WE WERE UNDERTAKING THE STUDY. TO GIVE THEM A SENSE 

OF WHAT WE WERE DOING. AND THE, IF YOU, MR. BOGER. AGREED WITH 

THE IDEA, AND AS A CONSEQUENCE I SENT THEM THIS COMMUNICATION. 

Qe WHEN YOU SAY THIS COMMUNICATION. LET ME AS YOU TO TURN TO 

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A. DB-41 IS A LETTER OVER MY SIGNATURE DATED MAY 13, 1981, TO 

THE ATTORNEY GENERAL OF THE STATE OF GEORGIA. AND AS 

ATTACHMENTS TO THAT LETTER WERE A BRIEF DOCUMENT CALLED "THE 

RESEARCH PLAN FOR STUDY OF GEORGIA HOMICIDE SENTENCING PROCESS. 

1973-772." 

IN ADDITION, WE INCLUDED IF MY RECOLLECTION SERVES ME 

CORRECTLY A COPY OF THE QUESTIONNAIRE WE HAD PROPOSED TO USE. 

6. WHAT DID YOU INFORM THE STATE IN THIS LETTER OF MAY 13. 

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Ae THIS LETTER AND THE APPENDICES INFORMED THEM OF OUR 

INTENTION TO UNDERTAKE THIS STUDY, AND THE RESEARCH PLAN THAT 

WAS ATTACHED LAID OUT THE GENERAL DESIGN OF THE STUDY. WHAT A 

SAMPLING PLAN WAS, AND HOW WE INTENDED TO COLLECT THE DATA. AND 

WHERE WE INTENDED TO COLLECT IT. AS WELL AS A PLAN OR RATHER 

CITATION TO THE AUTHORITIES WOULD INDICATE HOW WE HAD EVENTUALLY 

PLANNED TO ANALYZE THE DATA. 

a. DID YOU INFORM THE STATE OF THE FUNDING SOURCE OR -- 

Ae. YES, I DID. I INDICATED THAT THIS, THESE DATA WERE BEING 

SUPPORTED BY A GRANT FROM THE EDNA MCCONNELL CLARK FOUNDATION 

AND THAT THE RESEARCH WAS SPONSORED BY THE N.A.A.C.P. LEGAL 

DEFENSE FUND. 

QA. WAS THE STATE GIVEN ANY OPPORTUNITY. TO OBTAIN FURTHER 

INFORMATION ABOUT THE STUDY AT THAT TIME PRIOR TO THE DATA 

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A. YES. I STATED IN THE LETTER THAT IF THEY WANTED ANY 

FURTHER INFORMATION, 1 WOULD BE PLEASED TO PROVIDE IT FOR THEM. 

Qe. DO YOU RECALL WHETHER YOU EVER RECEIVED ANY RESPONSE TO 

THAT LETTER? | 

A. YES. 1 RECEIVED A LETTER IN LATE MAY, DATED MAY 22, 1981, 

WHICH IS PART OF EXHIBIT DB-41, OVER THE SIGNATURE OF MARY BETH 

WESTMORELAND, ASSISTANT ATTORNEY GENERAL. IN THAT LETTER. SHE 

ACKNOWLEDGED RECEIPT OF THE INFORMATION THAT I HAD SENT HER 

EARLIER AND SAID SHE WOULD APPRECIATE BEING INFORMED OF FUTURE 

DEVELOPMENTS. 

Q. DO YOU RECALL IF THERE WERE ANY SPECIFIC OBJECTIONS AT THAT 

TIME MADE TO THE DESIGN OF YOUR STUDY OR TO THE ADEQUACY OF YOUR 

QUESTIONNAIRE OR ANY OTHER MATTERS WITH RESPECT TO YOUR RESEARCH 

UNDERTAKING? 

MS. WESTMORELAND: YOUR HONOR, I OBJECT TO THAT 

QUESTION. I DON‘T THINK IT’S RELEVANT AT THIS POINT IN TIME AND 

I DON’T BELIEVE ANY OF THIS INFORMATION INDICATES THAT IT WAS 

PRESENTED FOR THAT PURPOSE AT THAT TIME. 

MR. BOGER: YOUR HONOR, I THINK IT IS RELEVANT. IF THE 

STATE HAD OBJECTIONS AT THAT TIME AND FORWARDED THEM TO 

PROFESSOR BALDIUS, IT MIGHT BEAR ON THE UNDERLYING RELIABILITY OF 

HIS PROCEEDING IN THE ABSENCE OF CONCERN FOR THOSE OBJECTIONS. 

I CERTAINLY DON’T DENY THE STATE’S FAILURE TO MAKE 

OBJECTIONS AT THE TIME IS AN ESTOPPEL TO THEIR OBJECTION LATER, 

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1 KNOW WHETHER OR NOT THEY SAID TO PROFESSOR BALDUS AT THAT TIME. 

2 "WAIT A MINUTE, THAT’S THE WRONG KIND OF STUDY AND WE THINK IF 

YOU GO FORWARD WITH IT, IT WILL HAVE SERIOUS PROBLEMS." 

THE COURT: THE STATE HAD NO OBLIGATION TO MAKE ANY 

SUCH COMMENT AS THAT. 

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3 ILL SUSTAIN THE OBJECTION. 

7 MR. BOGER: YOUR HONOR, AT THIS TIME, I WOULD MOVE THE 

8 ADMISSION OF DB-41 INTO EVIDENCE. 

9? MS. WESTMORELAND: YOUR HONOR, I WILL OBJECT TO DB-41. 

10 I DON’T SEE IT HAS ANY RELEVANCE WHATSOEVER TO ANY OF THE DATA 

11 COLLECTION METHODS OR THE CHAIN OF CUSTODY, SO TO SPEAK, OF ANY 

12 OF THE DATA ITSELF THAT WAS RECEIVED. THIS IS MERELY INFORMING 

13 THE ATTORNEY GENERAL THAT THIS WAS TAKING PLACE. AND I DONT 

14 SEE IT HAS ANY RELEVANCE TO THE STUDIES THAT WERE CONDUCTED. 

13 THE COURT: I SUSTAIN THE OBJECTION. 

16 BY MR. BOGER: 

37 Q. PROFESSOR BALDUS, ONCE YOU HAD INFORMED EVERYONE OF WHAT 

18 vou WERE PLANNING TO DO, HOW DID YOU GO ABOUT GETTING THE PEOPLE 

1% ACTUALLY TO CARRY OUT THE WORK OF CODING? 

20 |A. 1 DECIDED TO RECRUIT LAW STUDENTS AND TO DO SO, I SENT QUT 

23 A LETTER TO SOME 35 OR 40 DEANS AT LAW SCHOOLS AROUND THE UNITED 

22 STATES EXPLAINING THE NATURE OF THE RESEARCH PROJECT IN VERY 

23 GENERAL TERMS. AND INDICATING THAT I WAS INTERESTED IN ENGAGING 

24 STUDENTS TO WORK IN GEORGIA FOR THE SUMMER TO CODE THE CASES 

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Aa YES. I RECEIVED FROM 30 TO 40 RESPONSES FROM STUDENTS WHO 

EXPRESSED AN INTEREST, PLUS THESE WERE WRITTEN RESPONSES AS WELL 

AS TELEPHONE INQUIRIES. AND FROM THAT GROUP OF PEQPLE WE. WE, 

BEING ED GATES AND I, HE WAS INVOLVED IN THIS PROCESS AT THE 

TIME, THIS IS WHEN HE WAS IN IOWA HELPING ME PREPARE THE 

QUESTIONNAIRE AND THE FINAL PLANNING FOR THE PROJECT, WE CHECKED 

OUT THE REFERENCES OF THE PEOPLE WHO EXPRESSED STRONGEST 

INTEREST AND HAD THE STRONGEST RESUMES. 

Gl. DID YOU THEN OBTAIN RESUMES FROM A NUMBER OF THE PEOPLE? 

A. YES, EVERYBODY WHO EXPRESSED AN INTEREST WAS REQUESTED TO 

SUBMIT A RESUME, AND WE ENDED UP WITH APPROXIMATELY 30 RESUMES. 

AND WE TOOK THE ONES THAT LOOKED STRONGEST. AND DID A 

CAREFUL SCREENING OF THEIR REFERENCES. 

(rN WHAT WERE THE BASES FOR YOUR JUDGMENT THAT ONE WAS STRONGER 

THAN ANOTHER. WHAT WERE YOU LOOKING FOR IN THESE CODERS? 

A. WELL, AS I INDICATED EARLIER, THE PRINCIPAL QUALITIES THAT 

1 BELIEVE WERE REQUIRED TO DO THIS WORK PROPERLY WERE. NUMBER 1. 

INTELLIGENCE. 

NUMBER 2, DILIGENCE. 

SO I WAS VERY MUCH INFLUENCED BY THE PAPER RECORD THAT 

THE STUDENTS HAD. WHAT KIND OF ACADEMIC CREDENTIALS THEY HAD. 

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THOSE WERE THE QUESTIONS ED GATES AND I WOULD PUT TO 

THE FORMER EMPLOYERS OF THESE APPLICANTS. 

A. LET ME ASK YOU TO TURN TO WHAT’S BEEN MARKED AS DB—-42 FOR 

IDENTIFICATION. CAN YOU IDENTIFY THOSE DOCUMENTS. PROFESSOR 

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12 A. WE HIRED FIVE LAW STUDENTS AND WE ALSO HIRED AN 

LC: 13 UNDERGRADUATE STUDENT FROM DUKE UNIVERSITY, WHO, WHOSE JOB WAS 

14 TO PULL FILES IN THE PAROLE BOARD. 

13 THE PRINCIPAL CODERS, HOWEVER, WERE THESE FIVE LAW 

16 STUDENTS WHO WORKED UNDER ED GATES‘ SUPERVISION. 

17 a. LET ME DIRECT YOU TO A FEW MATTERS WITHIN THESE DOCUMENTS.   
18 I NOTICE SOME OF THEM HAVE WHAT APPEAR TO BE COURSE GRADES OR 

TRANSCRIPTS OF GRADES. 

20 DID YOU OBTAIN THOSE ON ALL THE STUDENTS? 

21 A. NO, THOSE WERE OBTAINED ONLY FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF 

22 VIRGINIA WHICH HAS A PRACTICE OF SENDING OUT GRADES TO ANYBODY 

23 WHO REQUESTS INFORMATION ABOUT THEIR STUDENTS. 

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WHAT DOES THAT REFLECT? 

A. THAT IS THE NAME OF THE PERSON FOR WHOM HE WORKED. AND THE 

PHONE NUMBER, AND I CAN TELL THAT’S ED GATES” HANDWRITING. AND 

REFLECTS THE FACT THAT HE CALLED THAT PERSON TO INQUIRE ABOUT 

THEM. 

Q. SO YOU MADE ACTUAL TELEPHONE INQUIRIES TO REFERENCES OF 

THESE PEOPLE, BEFORE YOU ACCEPTED THEM? 

A. YES, FOR EACH ONE. 

MR. BOGER: ALL RIGHT, YOUR HONOR, I MOVE THE ADMISSION 

OF DB-42 INTO EVIDENCE. 

MS. WESTMORELAND: YOUR HONOR, I OBJECT TO THE 

ADMISSION OF THESE DOCUMENTS. WE HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING IF 

THESE ARE IN FACT RESUMES FROM THESE PARTICULAR PEOPLE. THEY‘RE 

NOT HERE TO INDICATE SO, AND WE HAVE NO WAY OF TESTING THE 

VALIDITY OF ANY OF THE FACTS THAT MAY BE IN THESE DOCUMENTS. 

MR. BOGER: YOUR HONOR, THESE ARE THE DOCUMENTS THAT 

PROFESSOR BALDUS TESTIFIED HE RECEIVED AND RELIED UPON. HE IN 

FACT MADE TELEPHONE INQUIRIES TO ASK ABOUT THESE PEOPLE. AND 

THEIR BACKGROUNDS. 

THE STATE HAS FORMERLY OBJECTED IN ONE OF ITS ANSWERS 

TO INTERROGATORIES THAT WE POSED TO THEM ABOUT OBJECTIONS TO 

THIS STUDY ON THE BASIS THAT THE CODERS LACKED QUALIFICATIONS. 

WE HAVE HERE THINGS THAT REFLECT THAT THESE CODERS WERE 

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QUALIFICATIONS TO SERVE AS CODERS. 

THE COURT: I DON’T UNDERSTAND THAT HER OBJECTION IS TO 

RELEVANCY. 

MS. WESTMORELAND: I THINK THESE DOCUMENTS ARE JUST 

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10 THE COURT: IT’S A HEARSAY OBJECTION. 

11 MR. BOGER: YOUR HONOR, I THINK THERE‘S AT LEAST 

12 SEVERAL EXCEPTIONS TO THE HEARSAY RULE THAT APPLY. THESE ARE 

13 RECORDS THAT PROFESSOR BALDUS HAS KEPT IN THE COURSE OF THE 

14 CONDUCT OF HIS STUDY, AND, THEREFORE, I THINK THEY ARE IN EFFECT 

15 BUSINESS RECORDS EXCEPTIONS TO THE HEARSAY RULE. WE“RE NOT 

146 OFFERING =-- YOUR HONOR DISAGREES. I THINK I CAN TELL. 

17 THE COURT: I DON’T THINK THEY“RE BUSINESS RECORDS. 

13 THEY MAY OR MAY NOT BE ADMISSIBLE. BUT I DON’T THINK THEY'RE 

19 BUSINESS RECORDS. 

20 MR. BOGER: I CAN ASK PERHAPS PROFESSOR BALDUS A FEW 

21 ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS ABOUT THEM BEFORE YOUR HONOR RULES. 

22 BY MR. BOGER: 

23 Q. PROFESSOR BALDUS, DID YOU SPEAK WITH ANY OF THESE PEOPLE 

24 INDIVIDUALLY CONCERNING THEIR ACADEMIC BACKGROUNDS? 

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TWO DIFFERENT OCCASIONS, ONCE FOR A WEEK, ONCE FOR 3 DAYS, TWO 

OR THREE DAYS. I HAD EXTENSIVE TELEPHONE CONVERSATIONS WITH 

THESE PEOPLE, SPENT MANY HOURS TALKING WITH THEM ABOUT THEIR 

PAST. AND THEIR EXPERIENCE, AND I CAN REPRESENT TO YOU THAT ON 

THE BASIS OF MY BEST KNOWLEDGE AND BELIEF, AT LEAST WITH RESPECT 

TO THE ACADEMIC RECORDS THAT ARE REFLECTED IN THESE RESUMES THAT 

THESE ARE A CORRECT REPRESENTATION OF THE ACADEMIC BACKGROUNDS. 

PARTICULARLY AS IT RELATES TO LAW SCHOOL. OF EACH ONE OF THESE 

APPLICANTS. 

THIS WAS THE BASIS ON WHICH I EXERCISED THE 

PROFESSIONAL JUDGMENT TO ENGAGE THESE PEOPLE AS RESEARCH 

ASSISTANTS DURING THE SUMMER OF 1981. 

Q. LET ME ASK YOU FURTHER, PROFESSOR BALDUS, IS IT COMMON 

WITHIN THE SOCIAL SCIENCE DISCIPLINE FOR ONE TO HIRE EMPLOYEES 

SUCH AS CODERS BASED ON RESUMES OF THIS SORT? 

A. YES. IT IS. 

MR. BOGER: YOUR HONOR, I WILL RENEW MY OFFER. I 

SUBMIT THESE DOCUMENTS IN EVIDENCE. 

I MIGHT ADD THAT THEY‘RE BEING ADMITTED BOTH IN 

THEMSELVES, AND ALSO AS EVIDENCE OF THE CARE THAT PROFESSOR 

BALDUS TOOK IN SELECTING CODERS. 

"MS. WESTMORELAND: YOUR HONOR. I WOULD RENEW MY 

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3 ALTERNATIVE BASIS. WE DO NOT THINK THEY FALL WITHIN THE HEARSAY 

4 RULE, BUT IF THEY DID. IT’S THE TRUTH OF THE MATTERS CONTAINED 

3 THEREIN. WE SUBMIT ARE ADMISSIBLE TO SHOW THE CARE AND CONCERN 

: & WITH WHICH PROFESSOR BALDUS OBTAINED THE PERSONS WHO WORKED FOR 

% 7 HIM THAT SUMMER. 

8 THE COURT: I GO THROUGH AN ANNUAL EXERCISE OF HIRING 

? LAW CLERKS. I HAVE TO FUNCTION IN THE FIRST INSTANCE ON THE 

10 BASIS OF RESUMES. MY EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN THAT THE ABILITY OF A 

11 LAW CLERK IS SELDOM ASCERTAINABLE FROM THE FACE OF THE RESUMES. 

12 I SUSPECT THE SAME IS TRUE AS TO THE ABILITIES OF A 

13 CODER, WHICH REQUIRE DIFFERENT SKILLS. 

14 I WILL ALLOW THEM UNDER 803(24), SUBJECT TO A MOTION TO 

15 STRIKE, IF YOU CARE, MS. WESTMORELAND, DURING THE COURSE OF THE 

16 HEARING OR THEREAFTER. TO SHOW THAT THEY ARE IN FACT UNRELIABLE 

17 | IN ANY DETAIL. I WILL BE GLAD TO STRIKE THEM. OTHERWISE. I WILL 

18 | ADMIT THEM FOR WHATEVER THEY SHOW. INDICATING TO YOU THAT I 

PS 19 | REALIZE THEY ARE THE SORT OF THING THAT WE ALL WORK WITH, BUT 

20 | THEIR RELIABILITY. EVEN IF EVERYTHING. WHAT THEY PROVE ABOUT THE 

-1 | COMPETENCY OF THE CODERS. EVEN IF EVERYTHING ASSERTED THEREIN 

22 |WAS TRUE IS SUBJECT TO DEBATE PERHAPS. 

23 MS. WESTMORELAND: THANK YOU, YOUR HONCR. 

24 MR. BOGER: THANK YOU. YOUR HONOR. 

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Q. PROFESSOR BALDUS, NOW YOU‘VE GOT FIVE CODERS, YOU’VE GOT ED 

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UNIVERSITY UNDERGRADUATE STUDENT WHO IS GOING TO PULL FILES. 

WHEN DOES THE DATA GATHERING PROCESS IN GEORGIA GET 

UNDERWAY? : 

A. IT COMMENCED IN THE LAST WEEK, I BELIEVE. OF MAY, 1931. 

THE STUDENTS ASSEMBLED HERE. AND WE MET FOR A WEEK IN THE 

OFFICES OF THE PAROLE BOARD. 

a. WHEN YOU SAY WE. WHO WAS PRESENT? 

A. WELL, THE FIVE STUDENTS THAT WE HAD ENGAGED WERE: 

MARTHA MCGILL: MATTHEW ESTES; JOHN GREENO:; ORI CORB3 

LEANNE DIGRACIA: AS WELL AS THE UNDERGRADUATE STUDENT THAT I 

REFERRED TO EARLIER, AND WE COMMENCED TRAINING. 

Wo. YOU SAY WE AGAIN. BEYOND THE STUDENTS. WHO WAS PRESENT? 

Ae OH, ED GATES. OF COURSE, WAS PRESENT. 

Q. AN WERE YOU? 

A. YES. I WAS PRESENT. 

Qo. YOU CAME FROM IOWA? 

A. YES, I FLEW HERE FROM IOWA TO TRAIN THE STUDENTS. 

Q. AND HOW DID THE TRAINING PROCESS PROCEED? 

A. IT PROCEEDED ALONG THE SAME LINES THAT I HAD USED IN 

TRAINING ED AND CATHY CHRISTIAN FOR THE FIRST STUDY. 

1 GAVE A PRESENTATION ABOUT THE BACKGROUND OF THE 

STUDY. THE CONSTITUTIONAL LAW THAT INSPIRED IT. THE REASONS FOR 

IT, THE QUESTIONS THAT WE WERE INTERESTED IN ANSWERING -- THAT 

  

  

  

  
  
 



  

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DIDNT TAKE VERY LONG. 

WE GOT DOWN TO THE MECHANICS OF DEALING WITH THE 

INSTRUMENT FOR CODING, THAT IS. THE QUESTIONNAIRE, AND GOING 

OVER FILES. AND THE STUDENTS AGAIN WOULD DO DRY RUNS WITH FILES 

AND THEN ED AND I WOULD CHECK THEM, AND WE WOULD CHECK EACH 

OTHER’S WORK AGAINST WHAT THE STUDENTS HAD DONE. 

AND WE DEVELOPED DURING THAT WEEK THE BASIC PATTERN 

THAT ED LATER USED TO TRY AND PROMOTE CONSISTENCY. EVERYONE 

WOULD CODE THE SAME CASE, THEN WE WOULD MAKE COMPARISONS TQ SEE 

THE DEGREE OF CONSISTENCY THAT WAS EMERGING BETWEEN THE RESULTS. 

Gl. I’M SORRY. YOU MEAN THAT ALL FIVE STUDENTS WOULD CODE THE 

SAME CASE? 

A. THAT“S RIGHT. WED GET ONE FILE THAT ON THE BASIS OF OUR 

EXPERIENCE, OR MY EXPERIENCE. WAS AN ILLUSTRATIVE FILE THAT HAD 

A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF COMPLEXITY BUT WAS NOT OVERWHELMING. AND 

THAT’S HOW WE BEGAN. AND EACH STUDENT CODED THOSE FILES, AND 

THEN WE, WE BEING ED AND I, WOULD CHECK WHAT WAS DONE, AND -- 

Q. EXCUSE ME? 

A. NO. THAT’S ALL RIGHT. 

Qe DID YOU HAVE ANY DISCUSSION SESSIONS WHERE YOU DISCUSSED 

PROBLEMS THAT EMERGED OR CODING AMBIGUITIES? 

A. THIS TRAINING WAS DONE IN A LARGE ROOM THAT WOULD 

APPROXIMATE THIS COURTROOM, AND STUDENTS SAT UP ON, BEHIND A 

BENCH, AND DID THE CODING AND ED AND I SAT DOWN IN FRONT, AND WE 

DISCUSSED THE PROBLEMS FROM MORNING TILL NIGHT. THERE WERE NO, 

  

  

 



  

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THERE WAS NO SHORTAGE OF ISSUES AND WE GRADUALLY CAME TO FOCUS 

DURING THAT FIRST WEEK ON THE AREAS WHERE WE NEEDED GUIDANCE. 

AND GUIDELINES. AND WE ACHIEVED SOME SENSE OF HOW WE WERE GOING 

TO PROCEED DURING THAT FIRST WEEK. 

Qe. WERE THE STUDENTS EVER GIVEN WRITTEN INSTRUCTIONS AS WELL 

AS THIS ORAL SET OF INSTRUCTIONS THAT CONTINUED DURING THE WEEK? 

A. YES, THEY RECEIVED A WRITTEN SET OF INSTRUCT IONS AT THE 

OUTSET. 

A. LET ME ASK YOU TO TURN TO DB-43 MARKED FOR IDENTIFICATION. 

CAN YOU IDENTIFY THAT DOCUMENT, PROFESSOR BALDUS? 

Fe YES, THIS IS A DOCUMENT ENTITLED “INSTRUCTIONS FOR CODING 

GEORGIA PAROLE BOARD QUESTIONNAIRE. MAY, 1981." 

THIS. HOWEVER. IS NOT THE DOCUMENT THAT WAS HANDED TO 

THE STUDENTS AT THAT TIME. THIS REPRESENTS THE DISTILLATION AND 

RESTATEMENT OF ALL THE RULES THAT HAD EMERGED FROM THE CODING 

PROCESS OVER THE COURSE OF THE SUMMER. 

QR. LET ME ASK YOU TO CLARIFY THAT? 

A. THE -- GO AHEAD. 

Wo. WELL, THE BEGINNING OF THE SUMMER THEY RECEIVED A DOCUMENT 

THAT HAD FEWER INSTRUCTIONS THAN THIS ON IT? 

A. YES, IT WAS ABOUT A FIFTH OF THE SIZE OF THIS DOCUMENT, AND 

IT LAID OUT THE GENERAL GUIDELINES. BUT DID NOT HAVE THE DETAIL 

THAT THIS ONE DOES. AND WHAT HAPPENED OVER THE COURSE OF THE 

SUMMER WAS THAT AS ISSUES AROSE. THEY WERE PHONED BACK TO ME IN 

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1 THE CODING RULE TQ BE APPLIED TO WRITING, AND THE STUDENTS THEN 

2 BUILT A NOTEBOOK OF ALL THESE RULES. AT THE END OF THE SUMMER. 

3 ED PUT THE RULES TOGETHER INTO A RESTATEMENT, AND THAT'S 

4 DB-43 IS, A FINAL STATEMENT OF THE PROCEDURES THAT WERE FOLLOWED 

oS BY THE STUDENTS IN GEORGIA. : 

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11 QW. AND WHAT WAS DONE IF A RULE WAS MADE BY YOU AT SOME POINT 

232 DURING THE SUMMER SAY IN JULY OR AUGUST OF 1931, DID THAT 

13 AFFECT ANY OF THE QUESTIONNAIRES THAT HAD PREVIOUSLY BEEN CODED? 

14 Fre MY INSTRUCT ION, WHEN WE WOULD MAKE SUCH A RULE. WOULD BE TO 

13 PUT IT IN THE SET OF PROCEDURES AND THEN FOR THE STUDENTS TO GO 

16 BACK AND CHANGE OR CHECK, FIRST, ANY OF THE EARLIER CASES THAT 

17 HAD BEEN CODED TO INSURE THAT THOSE CASES HAD BEEN CODED IN A 

13 MANNER THAT WAS CONSISTENT WITH THE RULE THAT HAD JUST BEEN 

19 ESTABLISHED. 

® 20 Q. LET ME ASK YOU, -—- 

21 MR. BOGER —-- AT THIS TIME. YOUR HONOR, I MOVE THE 

22 ADMISSION OF DB-43 INTO EVIDENCE. 

23 MS. WESTMORELAND: YOUR HONOR, I OBJECT TO DB-43. MY 

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REFLECT WHICH OF THESE WERE TOLD WHEN DURING THE SUMMER. 

THIS DOCUMENT ITSELF APPARENTLY WAS NOT PRESENTED TO 

THE CODERS. AND WOULD BE IRRELEVANT AT THIS TIME. 

THE COURT: FOR THE PURPOSES THAT YOU’RE OBJECTING TO 

IT, YOU’RE PROBABLY RIGHT. IT IS NOT EVIDENCE OF WHAT THE 

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13 ADMISSIBLE. 

14 MS. WESTMORELAND: WITH THAT LIMITATION. YOUR HONOR. 

13 THAT WOULD BE FINE.   16 MR. BOGER: SO IT’S ADMITTED IN EVIDENCE? 

17 THE COURT: THAT’S RIGHT. 

13 MR. BOGER: THANK YOU, YDUR HONOR. 

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20 R. PROFESSOR BALDUS, YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU WERE IN ATLANTA 

21 FOR A WEEK WITH STUDENTS AT THE OUTSET OF THE SUMMER ENGAGED IN 

22 SOME TRAINING PERIOD. 

23 WHAT DID YOU DO THEREAFTER? 

24 DID YOU REMAIN IN GEORGIA? 

25 A. NO. I RETURNED TO THE UNIVERSITY OF IOWA, AND THEREAFTER 

      
  

 



  
  

  

  

  

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3 AND AT THE BEGINNING WE HAD CONVERSATIONS THAT WERE 

4 | FREQUENTLY MORE THAN ONCE A DAY, BUT AS TIME WENT ON. WE WOULD 

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% 2 |@. AND DID THIS CONTINUE THROUGHOUT THE COURSE OF THE SUMMER? 

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9 AS THE SUMMER WORE ON» THE FREQUENCY OF THE MEETINGS 

10 | AND CONVERSATIONS WAS REDUCED. 

11 BUT WE MAINTAINED PERIODIC CONTACT AND ED WOULD COLLECT 

12 |THE PROBLEMS. AND HOLD THEM TOGETHER, AND THEN WHEN WE WOULD 

13 TALK HE WOULD PRESENT THEM TO ME. 

14 AND ON ONE OTHER OCCASION, I VISITED GEORGIA AGAIN 

15 DURING THE SUMMER. 

16 Q. WHEN WAS THAT? 

17 A. THAT WAS IN THE LATTER PART OF JULY. 1981. 

18 Q. WHAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF COMING BACK TO GEORGIA? 

19 A. WELL, THE PURPOSE WAS TO CHECK AGAIN TO BE SURE THERE WERE 

20 NO IMPORTANT PROBLEMS THAT HAD ARISEN, AND NONE HAD. 

21 MR. BOGER: YOUR HONOR, AT THIS TIME. WE HAVE NO 

22 FURTHER QUESTIONS OF PROFESSOR BALDUS. 

23 WHAT WE PROPOSE TO DO IS LET HIM LEAVE THE STAND AND 

24 CALL EDWARD GATES WHO WAS IN CHARGE OF THE CODING DURING THE 

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1 TERMS OF THE PRESENTATION OF THE CASE, THIS SEEMS TO US THE BEST 

2 THING TO DO. WE WOULD BE PERFECTLY HAPPY TO HAVE THE STATE 

EITHER CROSS-EXAMINE PROFESSOR BALDUS AT THIS TIME ON HIS 

TESTIMONY TO DATE OR TO RESERVE THEIR CROSS-EXAMINATION. 

WE, OF COURSE. INTEND TO RECALL HIM AFTER ED GATES HAS 

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& FINISHED DESCRIBING THIS DATA COLLECTION PROCESS. AND PROFESSOR 

7 BALDUS AT THAT POINT WOULD MOVE INTO DATA ENCODING AND DATA 

8 ANALYSIS WHICH WOULD COMPLETE HIS TESTIMONY AT SOME LATER 

| PERIOD. 

10 BUT OUR OBSERVATION IS THAT HIS TESTIMONY ON DATA 

11 ANALYSIS MIGHT ITSELF BE SUFFICIENTLY LENGTHY THAT AT THAT POINT 

12 TESTIMONY FROM THE CODER BACK IN THE SUMMER OF “81 WOULD SEEM 

13 STALE AND QUT OF ORDER. 

14 SO WE’RE REALLY AT THE STATES DISPOSAL ON WHETHER THEY 

15 WISH TO CROSS-EXAMINE PROFESSOR BALDUS NOW, OR TO RESERVE THEIR 

146 CROSS-EXAMINATION AND WHICH WILL GIVE THEM FULL RIGHT TO DO. 

17 UNTIL THE END OF ALL PROFESSOR BALDUS” TESTIMONY. 

18 THE COURT: LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION. WE HAVE SPENT A 

19 DAY AND A HALF AND I HAVEN’T HEARD ANY EVIDENCE YET ABOUT THE   
20 ISSUES HERE. 

21 ARE YOU CONCERNED THAT THE STATE CHALLENGES THE | 

22 RELIABILITY OF YOUR DATA BASE OR ARE YOU JUST DOING THIS TO BE 

23 CAUTIOUS AND PRECISE? 

24 MR. BOGER: WELL, I THINK PERHAPS A LITTLE OF BOTH. 

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CAUTIOUS. AND OFTENTIMES. WHEN ONE COMES IN EVEN WITH GOOD 

DATA, IMPORTANT DATA. THAT AT SOME STAGE, EITHER AT TRIAL LEVEL 

OR ON APPEAL, SOMEONE BEGINS TO OBJECT THAT WE DON’T KNOW ENOUGH 

ABOUT THE FOUNDATION FOR HOW THIS DATA WAS, WERE COLLECTED OR 

WHETHER THE CODERS WERE ADEQUATELY’ INSTRUCTED, OR WHETHER 

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11 ~~ | PUDDING, ISN‘T IT, MR. BOGER? 

12 MR. BOGER: WELL, I WISH THAT WERE THE CASE. WE WOULD 

13 HAVE STARTED WITH THE PUDDING. 

14 BUT VERY OFTEN SOMEONE CAN SAY THAT THE NUMBERS LOOK 

15 WONDERFUL BUT THEY MAY HAVE BEEN COLLECTED BY DRUNKS ON THE 

14 WEEKEND, THAT KIND oF THING. AND SO IN DATA COLLECTION AND 

17 PRESENTATION EFFORTS OF THIS SORT IT’S BEEN OUR OBSERVATION IN 

18 COURT CASES AND IN THE LITERATURE THAT ONE HAS TO AT LEAST MAKE 

P) 19 CLEAR TO THE COURT, DECIDING PARTY BELOW AND ON APPEAL, IF IT 

20 COMES TO THAT. 

21 THE COURT: WELL, I THINK IN ACADEMIC LITERATURE THAT'S 

22 PROBABLY NECESSARY BECAUSE THE READER HAS NO WAY OF HAVING 

23 ACCESS TO THE DATA BASE AND COMPARING IT WITH ORIGINAL DATA TO 

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CASE UNLESS ITS CHALLENGED. WHAT I“M TRYING TO FIND OUT IS IS 

THE DATA BASE BEING CHALLENGED? 

MR. BOGER: MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT DATA COLLECTION 

PROCEDURES HAVE BEEN SUBJECT TO SOME CHALLENGES IN THE 

OBJECTIONS THAT THE STATE HAS MADE. IT’S A LITTLE UNCLEAR AS TO 

WHETHER THEY HAVE CHALLENGED AS SPECIFICS OF THE DATA BASE, 

BECAUSE THEIR OBJECTIONS ARE SOMEWHAT VAGUE AND AMBIGUOUS. WE 

TALKED ABOUT THAT PROBLEM A LITTLE BIT IN THE PRETRIAL 

CONFERENCE. AND I‘VE REALLY NOT GOTTEN A FULL STATEMENT FROM 

THE STATE ON, SPECIFICALLY OF THE ITEMS OF EVIDENCE OR ITEMS OF 

DATA THAT THEY CHALLENGE, BUT I DO KNOW THERE’S BEEN SOME 

SUGGESTIONS THAT THE PROCEDURES FOLLOWED IN DATA COLLECTION WERE 

NOT AS STRICT AS THEY MIGHT HAVE BEEN. 

THAT’S BEEN THE MOTIVATION FOR MUCH OF THE TESTIMONY. 

BUT IN TERMS OF OUTLINING WHERE WE WOULD EXPECT TO GO. 

ONCE MR. GATES TESTIFIED AS TO WHAT HAPPENED IN THIS SUMMER IN 

DATA COLLECTION, PROFESSOR BALDUS HAS A VERY MINIMAL AMOUNT OF 

TIME TO TALK ABOUT HOW YOU PUT THE DATA ON THE MACHINE. WE’RE 

AT DB-44 AND HE STARTS AT ABOUT DB-30 TO DESCRIBE HIS RESULTS OF   
HIS ANALYSIS AND THE WHOLE REST OF HIS TESTIMONY IS THE PUDDING | 

THAT I HOPE WILL BE THE PROOF FOR YOUR HONOR. | 

WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE NOT MEANT TO EXTEND THIS HEARING 

BEYOND ITS NECESSARY LENGTH BUT —- 

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AND I THINK YOUR SUGGESTION IS ACCEPTABLE TO ME UNLESS MS. 

WESTMORELAND CAN POINT OUT SOME FLAW IN IT. 

MS. WESTMORELAND: NO, YOUR HONOR. 

THE COURT: VYOU’RE GOING TO WANT TO HEAR FROM MR. GATES 

BEFORE YOU CROSS-EXAMINE BOTH OF THEM ARE DO YOU WANT TO 

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11 CROSS-EXAMINATION OF PROFESSOR BALDUS AND DO MY ENTIRE 

12 CROSS~EXAMINATION AT ONE TIME. 

13 THE COURT: OF HIM? 

14 MS. WESTMORELAND: OF PROFESSOR BALDUS, YES. 

135 THE COURT: CAN YOU DO IT EARLIER? 

16 MS. WESTMORELAND: SUBJECT TO NOT WISHING TO WAIVE 

17 | SOMETHING THAT MAY COME TO MY ATTENTION LATER, I PERHAPS COULD, 

18 | YOUR HONOR. YES, IF THAT —— IF THE COURT IS CONCERNED ABOUT 

ORDERLY PROCEDURE AND NOT JUMPING ARGCUND TOO MUCH, I CAN 

20 |APPRECIATE THAT. 

21 THE COURT: MR. BOGER IS TRYING TO COMPARTMENTALIZE HIS 

22 |RECORD AND THAT DOESNT HELP SUBSEQUENT FOLKS WHO HAVE TO DEAL 

23 |WITH THIS RECORD, UNLESS YOU COMPARTMENTALIZE. TOO. 

24 1 DON‘T GUESS I HAVE A STRONG OBJECTION TO THAT. 

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1 MR. BOGER: I GUESS THAT'S RIGHT, YOUR HONOR. 

2 THE COURT: AND WHEN WE ARE DONE WITH YOUR DIRECT. AND 

3 THEN HER CROSS OF HIM, IF THATS ALL YOU’RE GOING TO PUT HIM ON 

4 FOR, 1S DATA GATHERING. THEN WE WILL RETURN TO PROFESSOR BALDUS. 

S MR. BOGER: THAT'S RIGHT. 

THE COURT: FOR THE PUDDING. 

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9 EDWARD GATES. HE’S PREPARED THAT WITNESS, AND I WILL THEN TAKE 

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11 THE COURT: ALL RIGHT. THAT’S AGREEABLE. 

12 MR. BOGER: THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR. 

13 THE COURT: LET“S GO AHEAD AND GO TO LUNCH WHILE WE“RE 

14 IN RECESS. 

15 MR. FORD, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? 

16 MR. FORD: YES, I DO, YOUR HONCR. 

17 DURING THE LUNCH HOUR I ANTICIPATE TRYING TO GET IN 

18 TOUCH WITH PROFESSOR BERK WHO WILL BE ONE OF THE WITNESSES WE   é 19 MENTIONED YESTERDAY, AND YOUR HONOR HAD ME A RULING WITH REGARD 

20 TO THE RULE ON WITNESSES, I GUESS DEFERRED RULING ON THAT 

21 SUBJECT. 

22 I INFORMED PROFESSOR BERK CONSISTENT WITH YOUR HONOR’S | 

23 RULING LAST NIGHT THAT HE WAS NOT TO AT THIS POINT SPEAK WITH 

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WASN’T GOING TO HAPPEN ANYWAY, AT THIS POINT. 

MY QUESTION NOW IS WHETHER PROFESSOR BERK IS GOING TO 

COME OUT HERE AS PREVIOUSLY SCHEDULED, WHICH IS TOMORROW NIGHT. 

GIVEN THE POSSIBILITY THAT PERHAPS I THINK PROFESSOR WOODWORTH 

AND EVEN PROFESSOR BALDUS MIGHT BE ON FOR MUCH OF THURSDAY, 

OUR INTENTION WAS THAT HE BE IN COURT TO HEAR THAT 

TESTIMONY, AND IN A SENSE. PROFESSOR BERK IS REALLY OUR DOCTOR 

KATZ. HE IS OUR CONSULTING EXPERT, RATHER THAN OUR EXPERT WHO 

IS AN ACTOR IN THE PROCESS, AND FOR THAT PURPOSE, I THINK 

CLASSICALLY HE’S THE KIND OF EXPERT WHO OUGHT TO BE IN COURT TO 

HEAR THESE DISPUTES BROUGHT OUT. HE CERTAINLY HAS NOT BEEN 

PRIVY TO ALL THE THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED ALONG THE WAY, HES 

READ THE REPORTS ON BOTH SIDES, BUT HE IS THE KIND OF EXPERT WHO 

I THINK NEEDS TO BE IN THE COURTROOM TO ADVISE THE COURT AND TO 

DEAL WITH THOSE KINDS OF QUESTIONS. 

SO 1 WOULD ASK THAT THAT BE PERMITTED, AND THAT THE 

COURT ADVISE US NOW. SO IN CASE THAT CAN‘T BE PERMITTED. WE CAN 

ADVISE HIM ABOUT HIS SCHEDULE IN COURT BECAUSE I DON’T THINK HE 

WANTS TO COME TO ATLANTA AND SIT IN THE HALL. 

THE COURT: IS HE GOING TO TESTIFY ABOUT ANY REVIEW 

THAT HE HAS CONDUCTED OF THE DATA OR PROCESSES EMPLOYED BY 

PROFESSOR BALDUS, ET AL? 

MS. BOLEYN: HE IS. YOUR HONOR, AND HE“S GOING TO 

COMPARE THOSE TO THE DATA AND PROCESSES EMPLOYED BY, GENERALLY 

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CRIMINAL JUSTICE RESEARCH OF A SIMILAR NATURE. ET CETERA. THAT 

HE“S BEEN RESPONSIBLE FOR REVIEWING OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF 

YEARS. 

THE COURT: IF HE IS GOING TO TESTIFY CONCERNING THE 

WORK PRODUCT AND HE HAS PREVIOUSLY EXAMINED THE WORK PRODUCT, 

THEN I WISH HIM TREATED AS A SEQUESTERED WITNESS. 

IF HE IS GOING TO TESTIFY BASED ONLY ON WHAT HE HEARS 

HERE IN COURT. THAT’S ANOTHER MATTER. 

| MR. FORD: I GUESS THAT WOULD MEAN THAT HE IS A 

SEQUESTERED WITNESS, YOUR HONOR. 

THE COURT: IM NOT REALLY UP TIGHT ABOUT IT, BUT LET 

ME TELL YOU THAT ALTHOUGH I“M A JUDGE. I AM BASICALLY A 

HUMAN BEING, AND I‘M THE FINDER OF THE FACT IN THIS CASE. AND IF 

YOUU WANT TO HAVE HIM SIT HERE IN COURT. AND LISTEN TO THE EXTENT 

TO WHICH THE STATE THROWS LANCES AT THIS WITNESS AND THE OTHER. 

AND THEN PUT HIM ON THE STAND, I WON‘T BE REAL TENSE ABOUT IT. 

BUT I PROBABLY WON‘T BELIEVE HIM EITHER. OR I WILL SAY I WILL 

LOOK AT HIM SOMEWHERE BETWEEN A CRITICAL AND CYNICAL EYE. 

SO I DON’T KNOW. IF YOU WANT ME TO CONSIDER HIM AS AN 

INDEPENDENT EVALUATOR OF DOCTOR BALDUS” AND PROFESSOR —— 

MR. BOGER: WOODWORTH. 

MS. WESTMORELAND: WOODWORTH. YOUR HONCR. 

THE COURT: WOODWORTH’S WORK, THEN I WOULD JUST AS SOON 

HIM NOT KNOW ANYMORE ABOUT THE DEFECTS THAN HE NOW KNOWS. AND 

HAVE NOT SEEN OR LEARNED HOW THEY WERE EXPLOITED BY THE STATE. 

  

  

  

  
 



  

  

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1 THEN I HAVE A CHANCE TO JUDGE A LOT OF THINGS ABOUT HIS 

INDEPENDENCE AND CREDIBILITY. IT’S KIND OF, AT ONE STAGE IT’S A 

FAIRNESS THING. BUT AT ANOTHER STAGE IT DEPENDS ON WHAT KIND OF 

REACTION YOU WANT TO HAVE FROM ME TO HIS TESTIMONY. 

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3 

4 

3 IF THE GUTS OF IT IS TO GET AN INDEPENDENT. AN 

é EVALUATION OF THE PROCESS AND DATA BASE AND CONCLUSIONS AND YOU 

7 WANT ME TO BE IMPRESSED WITH HIS INDEPENDENCE AND ALL THAT SORT 

8 OF THING, THEN I THINK YOU“LL TREAT HIM AS A SEQUESTERED 

9? WITNESS. BEARING IN MIND YOU‘VE GOT A COURTROOM FULL OF EXPERTS 

10 HERE ALREADY TO TELL YOU WHATS GOING ON. 

11 MR. FORD: OUR PURPOSE IS TO BRING YOUR HONOR THE TRUTH 

12 IN EVERY WAY WE CAN. AND WE -- 

13 THE COURT: OH, I“M NOT SUGGESTING THAT YOU ARE 

14 INTENTIONALLY TRYING TO PUT UP FUDGED EVIDENCE. IT“S JUST HUMAN 

15 NATURE THAT IF A WITNESS HAS BEEN EXPOSED TO WHAT SORT OF 

146 CROSS-EXAMINATION IS COMING, HE“S NECESSARILY NOT GOING TO GIVE 

37 HIS MOST CANDID RESPONSE BUT A RETHOUGHT., REFINED. ET CETERA. 

18 SORT OF RESPONSE, AND THAT MAKES YOU KIND OF NOT PUT AS MUCH 

19 FAITH IN HIM AS YOU DO IN THE WITNESS THAT IS RESPONDING IN THE 

20 FIRST INSTANCE TO THE PROBLEM. 

21 MR. FORD: I BELIEVE I UNDERSTAND YOUR HONOR’S RULING 

22 AND I THINK FOR THE PURPOSES OF -—- 

23 THE COURT: AS A MATTER OF LAW, I WOULD PREFER TO TREAT 

24 HIM AS SEQUESTERED, NOTING THAT YOU ARE NOT, I DO NOT BELIEVE, 

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ALLOWED. 

: BEYOND THAT I WILL NOTE THAT IF YOU WANT TO RENEW YOUR 

REQUEST, I WOULD SUGGEST TO YOU THAT YOU MIGHT BE IN DANGER OF 

LESSENING THE IMPACT OF HIS TESTIMONY ON THE FINDER OF FACT. SO 

BALANCING ALL OF THOSE, YOU CAN DECIDE WHETHER YOU WISH TO RENEW 

IT AFTER LUNCH OR WHETHER YOU ARE SATISFIED TO DEAL WITH THE 

ADVISERS YOU HAVE. 

MS. BOLEYN: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, YOUR HONOR. 

THE COURT: ALL RIGHT, WITH THOSE COMMENTS WELL BE IN 

RECESS UNTIL QUARTER OF TWO. 

(RECESS TAKEN.) 

THE COURT: ALL RIGHT. MR. FORD, ARE YOU READY TO 

PROCEED WITH YOUR NEXT WITNESS? 

MR. FORD: WE ARE, YOUR HONOR. OUR NEXT WITNESS IS 

EDWARD RAYMOND GATES. 

THE COURT: ALL RIGHT, MR. GATES, COME UP TO BE SWORN. 

THE CLERK: IF You WILL RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND, SIR. 
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DO YOU SOLEMNLY SWEAR THE EVIDENCE YOU SHALL GIVE AT THE   TRIAL NOW BEFORE THIS COURT SHALL BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, | 

AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD? | 

THE WITNESS: I DO. 

THE CLERK: HAVE A SEAT ON THE WITNESS STAND. SIR, 

AND STATE YOUR FULL NAME FOR THE RECORD. 

THE WITNESS: MY NAME IS EDWARD RAYMOND GATES. 

  
  

  

 



  

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CALLED AS A WITNESS ON BEHALF OF THE PLAINTIFF, BEING FIRST 

DULY SWORN, TESTIFIED AS FOLLOWS: 

DIRECT EXAMINATION 

BY MR. FORD: 

Q. MR. GATES, -—— 

MR. FORD: -- YOUR HONOR, IN THE SAME FASHION AS WE 

PROCEEDED WITH PROFESSOR BALDUS. I HAVE PREPARED TWO BOOKS OF 

EXHIBITS, OR SEVERAL BOOKS OF EXHIBITS, TWO OF WHICH I“M HANDING 

THE CLERK, ONE FOR THE CLERK’S FILE AND ONE FOR YOUR HONOR-’S 

USE. 

THEY CONTAIN A NUMBER OF PREMARKED EXHIBITS, MARKED 

EG-1 THROUGH EG-4B. COPIES OF THOSE DOCUMENTS HAVE BEEN 

PROVIDED TO THE RESPONDENTS COUNSEL. MOST OF THEM WERE 

PROVIDED YESTERDAY. 

; SOME OF THEM WERE NOT AVAILABLE UNTIL TODAY. AND THE 

ONES THAT WERE AVAILABLE TODAY. AND I THINK ALMOST ALL OF THEM 

ARE DOCUMENTS THAT HAVE PREVIOUSLY BEEN MADE AVAILABLE TO THE 

RESPONDENT AT ONE PQINT OR ANOTHER IN THE REPORTS. 

THE COURT: ALL RIGHT. LET ME DO AN ADMINISTRATIVE 

MATTER. 

1 LIKE THESE BOOKS, AND I HAVE FOUND THEM VERY HELPFUL. 

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EXHIBITS THAT I SPECIFICALLY DO NOT ADMIT. 

AT YOUR REQUEST. I WILL SEAL THOSE MATERIALS. AND MAKE 

THEM A PART OF THE RECORD AND A PROFFER., $0 IF THE COURT OF 

APPEALS REVERSES ME ON A POINT OF EVIDENTIARY LAW, THEY‘LL HAVE 

THE EXHIBITS THERE IF THAT’S AGREEABLE TO EVERYONE. 

MR. FORD: I BELIEVE THAT WOULD BE OUR DESIRE. YOUR 

HONOR. 

COULD I ASK THAT WE WAIT UNTIL THE CLOSE OF THE 

PETITIONERS DIRECT CASE, IN CASE ANY OF THOSE MATERIALS ARE 

CONNECTED UP OR PERHAPS UNTIL THE WHOLE PROCEEDING IN CASE THEY 

DO END UP COMING IN, IF THAT -- 

THE COURT: THAT’S ALL RIGHT. THAT'S AGREEABLE. 

MR. FORD: THANK YOU, VERY MUCH. 

| BY MR. FORD: 

Q. MR. GATES, YOU HAVE GIVEN YOUR NAME AND SPELLED IT. 

WHERE DO YOU LIVE, SIR? 

A. I LIVE AT 35 BURROUGHS STREET IN JAMAICA PLAIN, 

MASSACHUSETTS, 02130, 

(= 8 MR. GATES, COULD YOU POSSIBLY MOVE THE MICROPHONE A LITTLE 

BIT CLOSER TO YOURSELF, SO ITLL PICK UP YOUR VOICE? 

AND WHERE ARE YOU EMPLOYED? 

A. RIGHT NOW I WORK FOR A PATENT LAW FIRM IN BOSTON CALLED 

WOLF, GREENFIELD AND SACKS. 

XR. AND WHAT’ S YOUR CAPACITY THERE? 

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Qe. AND WHAT KIND OF WORK DO YOU DO AS A LAW CLERK? 

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2 | A. WELL. THEY HIRED ME BECAUSE I HAVE A BACKGROUND IN GENETICS 

3 | AND I WORK PRIMARILY WITH CLIENTS THAT ARE INTERESTED IN 

4 | PATENTING GENETIC ENGINEERING PRODUCTS. 

s |@. THOSE ARE RESEARCH FIRMS IN THE BOSTON AREA? 

5 la. VES. 

% 7 |@. THAT ARE CLIENTS OF THIS FIRM? 

8 {A ves. 

9 |@. ARE YOU ALSO IN SCHOOL AT THIS TIME? 

10 |A. YES. I AM. I AM CURRENTLY A THIRD-YEAR LAW STUDENT AT 

11 |BOSTON UNIVERSITY LAW SCHOOL. 

12 |@. YOUR THIRD YEAR WILL BE BEGINNING COME SEPTEMBER? 

13 |A. YES. 

14 QA. CALLING YOUR ATTENTION IN THE BINDER THAT-S BEEN PROVIDED 

15 TO YOU TO THE DOCUMENT MARKED EG-1 AT THE BEGINNING OF THE 

16 BINDER, AND I ASK YOU, DO YOU RECOGNIZE WHAT THAT IS? 

17 A. YES, I DO. IT’S MY RESUME. 

13 Ql. AND DO YOU KNOW, HAVE YOU SEEN IT BEFORE? | 

19 A. YES, I 

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HAVE. 

21 Ae YES, I DO. IT WAS PREPARED BY ME. 

22 Q. AND IS IT CURRENT? 

23 A. YES. IT IS. 

24 Rea IS IT A COPY OR AN ORIGINAL THAT YOU HAVE IN THE BOOK 

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A. THIS IS A COPY. 

Q. TRUE AND CORRECT COPY OF THE RESUME YOU PREPARED? 

A. YES, IT IS. 

a. ALL RIGHT. 

MR. FORD: YOUR HONOR, AT THIS TIME. I WOULD OFFER 

EG-1. 

MS. WESTMORELAND: YOUR HONOR, IS THIS BEING OFFERED 

JUST AS MR. GATE“S RESUME OR AS ONE HE PRESENTED TO PROFESSOR 

BALDUS? I’M SOMEWHAT UNCLEAR ON THE PURPOSE FOR OFFERING THIS 

EXHIBIT AT THIS TIME. 

MR. FORD: I BELIEVE THE TESTIMONY WAS IT“S CURRENT, 

YOUR HONOR. 

BY MR. FORD: 

Q. WHEN WAS THIS PREPARED. MR. OATES? 

A. THIS WAS PREPARED YESTERDAY. 

Q. AND WAS IT PREPARED SOLELY FOR THE PURPOSE OF THIS 

LITIGATION? 

A. YES, IT WAS. I HAD A COPY OF AN OLDER RESUME THAT WAS MORE 

THAN A YEAR OLD. I PREPARED THIS, SO THE COURT WOULD HAVE A 

CURRENT COPY. 

MS. WESTMORELAND: MY CONCERN AT THIS POINT IS I 

BELIEVE WHAT MAY BE AT ISSUE IS HIS QUALIFICATIONS AT THE TIME 

HE ASSISTED PROFESSOR BALDUS. AND THE QUALIFICATIONS THAT WERE 

CONSIDERED BY PROFESSOR BALDUS AT THAT TIME, RATHER THAN THE 

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MR. FORD: YOUR HONOR, IT“S MY UNDERSTANDING THE 

WITNESS” BACKGROUND AND SITUATION, EMPLOYMENT AND EVERYTHING, IS 

ALWAYS A POTENTIAL ISSUE AND IT“S RELEVANT FOR THAT PURPOSE. 

THE COURT: I THINK I CAN MAKE OUT BOTH FROM THE 

RESUME. IF THAT’S THE ONLY OBJECTION YOU HAVE, MS. WESTMORELAND. 

ILL ADMIT IT. 

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12 THE THINGS THAT ARE REFLECTED ON THIS RESUME, FIRST OF WHICH IS 

13 YOUR SCHOOLING. 

14 LET’S FOCUS NOW ON THE TIME PRIOR TO ANY INVOLVEMENT IN 

15 THE MATTERS HERE AT ISSUE. 

16 WHAT SCHOOLING DID YOU HAVE AS AN UNDERGRADUATE? HAD 

17 | YOU COMPLETED THAT AT THAT TIME? 

18 A. YES, I HAD. I GOT A BACHELORS OF SCIENCE IN BIOLOGY FROM 

% 19 YALE UNIVERSITY IN 1977. 

20 Q. AND DID YOU HAVE A MINOR DEGREE IN THAT AS WELL? 

21 A. YES, I DID. THE MINOR WAS IN PSYCHOLOGY. 

22 RQ. WHAT KIND OF COURSES DID YOU TAKE FOR THE BIOLOGY DEGREE 

23 AND THE PSYCHOLOGY MINOR? 

24 A. PRIMARILY, COURSES THAT HAD LABORATORY REQUIREMENTS WHEREIN 

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a. AND DID ANY OF THOSE COURSES INVOLVE COLLECTION OF DATA IN 

ANY FORM? 

A. NEARLY EVERY ONE OF THE COURSES THAT HAD A LABORATORY 

| REQUIREMENT REQUIRED EXTENSIVE COLLECTION OF DATA. 

Q. AND THAT WOULD BE IN THE LABORATORY ENVIRONMENT, YOUR OWN 

EXPERIMENTS? 

A. THAT’S CORRECT. 

@. DID ANY OF THOSE INVOLVE QUESTIONS OF STATISTICS? 

A. SOME OF THEM DID. 

Q. AND WAS THERE. DID YOU EVER TAKE A SPECIFIC STATISTICS 

COURSE AT ANY POINT? 

A. 1 HAD TAKEN ONE STATISTICS COURSE AS AN UNDERGRADUATE. 

@. AND DID ANY OF YOUR COURSES DEAL WITH QUESTIONS OF 

EXPERIMENTAL DESIGN DURING THE LABORATORY CONTEXT OR OTHER FORMS 

OF DATA COLLECTION. 

A. NONE OF THEM DEALT WITH THAT AS A SPECIFIC MATTER BUT IN 

THE COURSE OF TAKING LABORATORY, LABORATORY PORTION OF ANY 

COURSE. LABORATORY. EXPERIMENTAL DESIGN IS PART OF THE OVERVIEW 

THAT YOU GET. 

@. WHAT KIND OF GRADES DID YOU HAVE AT THE TIME OF YOUR 

GRADUATION FROM YALE? 

A. SOLID B. 

Q. DID YOU HAVE ANY OTHER ACTIVITIES WHILE YOU WERE IN SCHOOL? 

A. YES. 1 PLAYED ON THE VARSITY LACROSSE TEAM. 

Q@. AND AFTER YOU GRADUATED FROM YALE IN 1977 BUT BEFORE YOU 

  

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3 A. YES, I DID. UPON GRADUATION, I WENT AS A SPECIAL STUDENT 

4 TO THE UNIVERSITY OF MASSACHUSETTS TO BOLSTER MY SCIENCE 

i 3 BACKGROUND. AND I TOOK FOUR SCIENCE COURSES. 

& Gl. WHAT KINDS OF COURSES WERE THOSE? 

. 7 A. PHYSICAL CHEMISTRY, IMMUNOLOGY, DEVELOPMENTAL BIOLOGY. AND 

8 INVERTEBRATE ZOOLOGY. 

9 Q. AFTER THAT WAS DONE, DID YOU OBTAIN ANY EMPLOYMENT. 

10 IMMEDIATELY THEREUPON? 

11 A. YES. ALMOST IMMEDIATELY AFTER THAT. 1 APPLIED FOR AND GOT 

12 A JOB AT TUFTS UNIVERSITY MEDICAL SCHOOL IN THE CANCER RESEARCH 

13 CENTER THERE. 

14 A. WHAT WAS THE NATURE OF YOUR WORK AT TUFTS? 

13 A. I WORKED IN A RESEARCH LABORATORY. AND THE PROJECT THAT WE 

16 WORKED ON WAS TO CHARACTERIZE THE RECEPTOR MOLECULES ON 

17 IMMUNOLOGICAL CELLS. 

13 Q. AND WHO WERE YOU WORKING WITH AT THAT TIME? 

% 19 A. I WORKED WITH PROFESSOR FRANCIS OWEN. WHO IS A PROFESSOR AT 

20 THAT TEACHING HOSPITAL. 

21 (nS AND WERE THESE EXPERIMENTS OR WAS THIS HOSPITAL TREATMENT 

22 TYPE WORK? 

23 A. NO, THIS WAS BASIC SCIENCE. EXPERIMENTATION. 

24 Gl. AND DID THIS INVOLVE ANY KIND OF SAMPLING TECHNIQUE OR 

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A. THE RESEARCH DESIGN OF WHAT WE WERE DOING INVOLVED 

CHARACTERIZING THE GENETIC STRUCTURE OF DIFFERENT POPULATIONS OF 

MICE, SO SOME OF THE RESULTS OF THE EXPERIMENTATION HAD TO BE 

STATISTICALLY ANALYZED BUT THE FOCUS OF THE RESEARCH EFFORT WAS 

ON DEVELOPING THE DATA SET. 

Q. WAS THAT WHERE YOUR PART OF THE WORK WAS? 

Fe YES. 

Qe CAN YOU TELL US A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHAT THAT MEANS? 

Fe THAT MEANS ON A DAILY BASIS. YOU DO CELLULAR MANIPULATIONS 

AND MEASURE THE CONSEQUENCES OF THOSE MANIPULATIONS, AND OBSERVE 

AND RECORD THE DATA. AND THEN OVER A PERIOD OF TIME, ANALYZE 

| THAT DATA, AND BASED ON YOUR RESULTS, THAT CHARTS THE COURSE OF 

FUTURE EXPERIMENTS THAT YOU DO. 

Ge I SEE FROM YOUR RESUME THAT THAT WORK ULTIMATELY RESULTED 

IN A PUBLICATION ON THAT EXPERIMENTATION, IS THAT RIGHT? 

A. YES, IT DID. 

Go. AND THAT’S THE EUROPEAN JOURNAL OF IMMUNOLOGY? 

A. YES, I WAS A CO-AUTHOR ON THAT PAPER WITH PROFESSOR OWEN. 

Qe NOW. IMMEDIATELY ABOVE THAT ENTRY FOR YOUR WORK AT TUFTS, 

ON YOUR RESUME I SEE THAT YOU LIST INVOLVEMENT AS RESEARCH 

ASSISTANT, IOWA LAW SCHOOL. IN SOME RESEARCH ON SOME MURDER 

TRIALS? | 

A. THATS CORRECT. 

a. WHEN DID YOU BEGIN THAT WORK? 

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QA. AND HOW DID YOU BECOME INVOLVED IN THAT? 

A. I WAS INTERESTED IN APPLYING TO LAW SCHOOL AND GETTING SOME 

EXPERIENCE IN THE LEGAL PROFESSION AND A FRIEND WHO KNEW ABOUT 

THE JOB WITH PROFESSOR BALDUS RECOMMENDED ME FOR THE POSITION. 

Q. WHO WAS THAT FRIEND? 

A. CATHY CHRISTIAN. 

Q. WHERE DID YOU KNOW HER FROM? 

A. WE WERE HOUSEMATES AT THE TIME. 

A. DID YOU KNOW WHERE SHE WAS —- WAS SHE INVOLVED IN SCHOOL AS 

WELL? 

Ae YES, WELL, SHE WAS WORKING AT NORTHEASTERN UNIVERSITY. AND 

HER CAPACITY THERE WAS TO DEVELOP THE COOPERATIVE EDUCATION JOBS 

THAT THEY HAVE. 

WHAT THAT IS IS THAT NORTHEASTERN HAS A SYSTEM WHERE 

YOU SPEND SOME OF YOUR TIME IN SCHOOL AND SOME OF YOUR TIME : 

WORKING IN JOBS. AND SHE DEVELOPED THE JOBS FOR THE STUDENTS TO 

WORK AT. 

Gla DO YOU KNOW WHAT HER EDUCATIONAL BACKGROUND WAS? 

Fe SHE HAS A MASTERS IN EDUCATION FROM COLUMBIA. 

MS. WESTMORELAND: YOUR HONOR. I OBJECT TO HIS STATING 

WHAT HER EDUCATIONAL BACKGOUND IS UNLESS HE CAN GIVE SOME BASIS 

FOR HIS OWN PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE OF HER EDUCATIONAL BACKGROUND. 

BY MR. FORD: 

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NO. SHE WAS IN SCHOOL IN COLUMBIA WHEN I WAS IN BOSTON. 

YOU KNEW HER AT THAT TIME? 

YES, SIR. 

MR. FORD: I THINK IT PERHAPS GOES TO THE WEIGHT. YOUR 

OR, BUT NOT THE ADMISSIBILITY. 

THE COURT: IT’S CLASSIC HEARSAY, MR. FORD. I DON’T 

W THAT IT MATTERS, BUT I SUSTAIN THE OBJECTION. 

MR. FORD: THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR. 

MR. FORD: 

WHO HIRED YOU FOR THE JOB AT IOWA LAW SCHOOL? 

PROFESSOR BALDUS DID. 

AND WHEN DID THAT OCCUR? 

THAT OCCURRED IN JULY OF 1980. 

AND DID YOU SPEAK WITH HIM IN PERSON OR OVER THE TELEPHONE. 

LETTER? HOW DID YOU COMMUNICATE WITH HIM? 

I COMMUNICATED WITH HIM BY LETTER AND OVER THE TELEPHONE. 

AND WHAT WERE YOU TOLD YOUR DUTIES IN THIS FUNCTION WOULD 

I WAS TOLD THAT THE DUTIES WOULD BE TO COLLECT INFORMATION 

M VARIOUS SOURCES IN THE STATE OF GEORGIA. 

WERE YOU TO BE PAID FOR THIS WORK? 

YES. $5.00 AN HOUR. 

AND HOW LONG WAS THE JOB TO LAST? 

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OFFERED IT AND THE TIME YOU ACTUALLY STARTED WORK? 

A. THERE WAS MAYBE A TWO OR THREE WEEK PERIOD WHERE I SENT MY 

RESUME TO PROFESSOR BALDUS AND THEN HE CHECKED A REFERENCE. AND 

THEN OFFERED ME THE POSITION. 

Qe. AND YOU ACCEPTED? 

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10 A. THE FIRST THING I DID WAS IN RESPONSE TO SOME PRACTICE 

11 QUESTIONNAIRES THAT PROFESSOR BALDUS SENT TO ME IN BOSTON. AND 

12 HE SENT SOME INSTRUCTIONS FOR CODING THE QUESTIONNAIRES, AND 

13 ABSTRACTS OF INFORMATION TO BE CODED INTO THEM AND THEN I DID A 

14 | COUPLE OF DRY RUNS THROUGH THOSE QUESTIONNAIRES. 

13 a. AND YOU DID THAT WHERE? 

16 A. IN BOSTON. 

17 QR. CALLING YOUR ATTENTION TO THE DOCUMENT MARKED EG-2, IN THE 

18 FOLDER THAT’S BEEN PROVIDED TO YOU. 

® 19 : DO YOU RECOGNIZE WHAT THAT IS? 

20 A. IM NOT SURE IF I HAVE THAT. I HAVE ONE THAT’S PROBABLY 

21 EG-2. YOU'D HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT, THOUGH. 

22 Gl. SAYS AT THE TOP, "MEMORANDUM?"   23 a YES. 

24 Q. DO YOU RECOGNIZE WHAT THAT IS? 

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A. WHAT IS IT? 

A. THOSE ARE THE INSTRUCTIONS THAT PROFESSOR BALDUS SENT TO 

CATHY CHRISTIAN AND MYSELF. 

QR. IS THAT AN ORIGINAL OR A COPY OF THE INSTRUCTIONS? 

A. THIS IS A COPY. 

ol. DOES IT APPEAR TO BE A TRUE AND CORRECT COPY TO THE BEST OF 

YOUR RECOLLECTION? 

A. YES. IT DOES. 

MR. FORD: MAY I APPROACH THE WITNESS: YOUR HONOR? 

THE COURT: YOU MAY. 

BY MR. FORD: 

(A 8 CALLING YOUR ATTENTION TO A VOLUME OF EXHIBITS PREVIOUSLY 

MARKED AND DISCUSSED. PARTICULARLY AN ITEM MARKED DB-34. 

DO YOU RECOGNIZE WHAT THAT IS? 

A. YES, I DO. 

Ra. AND IS THAT THE SAME DOCUMENT? 

Ae YES. IT IS. 

Qe AND WHEN DID YOU FIRST SEE THAT DOCUMENT. OR THE ORIGINAL 

OF IT? 

A. I FIRST SAW THAT DOCUMENT SOMETIME IN AUGUST OF 1930. 

Q. THAT WAS ONE OF THE DOCUMENTS THAT PROFESSOR BALDUS SENT 

YOU AT THAT TIME? 

A. THATS CORRECT. 

QR. AND YOU USED TO CODE SOME PRACTICE QUESTIONNAIRES OR 

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1 Ae RIGHT. 

2 QR. DID YOU USE THAT THEREAFTER? 

Be YES: I DID. 

Q. AND FOR WHAT PURPOSES DID YOU USE IT THEREAFTER? 

A I USED THIS FOR THE PURPOSE OF HAVING A SET OF PERMANENT 

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7 I WAS IN GEORGIA. 

38 MR. FORD: YOUR HONOR, WE“VE GOT A FEW DOCUMENTS THAT 

4 ARE DUPLICATES. 1 DON’T KNOW WHAT THE COURT’S PREFERENCE IS 

10 WITH REGARD TO THE RECORD. 

11 MY RECOLLECTION IS THAT DB-34 WAS ADMITTED FOR A 

12 LIMITED PURPOSE DURING PROFESSOR BALDUS” TESTIMONY. 

13 I DON’T KNOW IF THE COURT WANTS TWO DOCUMENTS THAT ARE 

14 THE SAME IN THE RECORD. THAT MIGHT BE THE SIMPLEST BUT AT THIS 

iS POINT I WOULD OFFER EG-2 OR ALTERNATIVELY DB-24 INTO THE RECORD 

16 FOR THE PURPOSES DESCRIBED BY MR. GATES” TESTIMONY. 

17 MS. WESTMORELAND: YOUR HONOR, I BELIEVE THAT DB-34 WAS 

18 ADMITTED WITH THE LIMITATION, I BELIEVE, ASKED BY RESPONDENT 

%® 19 THAT IT WAS NOT INDICATED THEY HAD NECESSARILY BEEN FOLLOWED. 

20 I SEE NO POINT IN DUPLICATING THE EXHIBIT. IF THAT 

21 NOTATION CAN BE CLEARED UP BY THIS WITNESS, I HAVE NO PROBLEM 

22 WITH THE EXHIBIT. WE HAVE ONE COPY IN THE RECORD. I SEE NO 

23 NEED TO DUPLICATE THAT PARTICULAR ITEM. AS LONG AS, AS I SAID, 

24 THE WITNESS CAN CLEAR UP THE LIMITATION PREVIOUSLY REQUESTED. 

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THE COURT: LETS USE THE SAME IDENTIFYING NUMBER AND 

MAKE SURE THAT THE CLERK’S. YOU CAN LEAVE IT IN HIS BOOK, BUT 

MAKE SURE THE CLERK’S COPY WHICH WILL BECOME THE RECORD OF THE 

COURT SHOWS THAT NUMBER BY WHICH IT WAS ORIGINALLY IDENTIFIED. 

MR. FORD: THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR. 

BY MR. FORD: 

9. AFTER YOU COMPLETED YOUR USE OF THESE INSTRUCTIONS AND YOUR 

PRACTICE QUESTIONNAIRES IN BOSTON. WHAT DID YOU DO THEN, WITH 

REGARD TO THIS JOB? 

A. WELL. CATHY CHRISTIAN AND I WENT TO GEORGIA SOMETIME DURING. 

THE SECOND WEEK OF SEPTEMBER, AND THERE WE MET WITH PROFESSOR 

BALDUS AND BEGAN OUR TRAINING. 

(m8 AND WHAT DID YOUR TRAINING CONSIST OF? 

Ae THE FIRST THING THAT WE DID WAS TO REVIEW THE CASES THAT WE 

HAD PRACTICED CODING WHILE WE WERE IN BOSTON AND TO DISCUSS ANY . 

PROBLEMS WITH THE CODING OR ANY QUESTIONS THAT WE HAD, THAT SORT 

OF THING. 

I BELIEVE THAT I SENT THE QUESTIONNAIRES THAT I HAD 

CODED TO PROFESSOR BALDUS BEFORE GOING TO GEORGIA. I DON'T 

SPECIFICALLY RECALL THAT. 

Q. WHO WERE YOU WITH IN GEORGIA? 

A. CATHY CHRISTIAN, AND PROFESSOR BALDUS. 

Qe AND HOW LONG DID THAT TRAINING PERIOD WITH PROFESSOR BALDUS 

THERE WITH YOU IN GEORGIA LAST? 

  

  

  
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2 Q. WHAT DID YOU DO AFTER YOU HAD GOTTEN THROUGH REVIEWING THE 

3 PRACTICE QUESTIONNAIRES THAT YOU HAD PREVIOUSLY DONE? 

4 A. WELL, THE FIRST THING WE DID WAS TO GO TO THE ARCHIVES 

S BUILDING AND THERE PROFESSOR BALDUS INTRODUCED US TO ALL THE 

é PERSONNEL THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO HELP US IN OBTAINING THE CASES 

% 7 THAT WE GOING TO CODE, AND HE PROVIDED US WITH A LIST OF CASES 

8 TO CODE. 

? AND THEN AFTER GETTING THE CASES. WE BEGAN CODING THEM. 

10 AND WHAT WE WOULD DO IS WE WOULD EACH CODE A CASE. AND THEN 

11 DISCUSS THE CODING OF THAT CASE WITH PROFESSOR BALDUS. 

12 Qe. NOW WHEN YOU REFER TO THE ARCHIVES BUILDING, CAN YOU BE A 

13 LITTLE MORE PRECISE AS TO WHAT THAT WAS? 

14 A. ITS THE BUILDING WITHOUT ANY WINDOWS, ACROSS FROM THE 

15 COLISEUM. IT’S THE PLACE WHERE THE SUPREME COURT APPEAL RECORDS 

14 ARE KEPT. 

37: . {fe SUPREME COURT OF THE STATE OF GEORGIA? 

18 A. THATS RIGHT. 

% 19 Ra HOW LONG DID YOU CONTINUE WORKING THERE AT THE ARCHIVES 

20 BUILDING WITH PROFESSOR BALDUS, CODING THESE QUESTIONNAIRES 

21 TOGETHER? 

22 A. WE WORKED THERE FOR ABOUT A DAY AND A HALF. 

23 Gl. AND WHAT DID YOU DO AFTER THAT? 

24 A. AFTER THAT. WE WENT WITH PROFESSOR BALDUS TO THE SUPREME 

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COURT OF GEORGIA? 

A. THATS THE SUPREME COURT OF GEORGIA. YES. AND THE PURPOSE 

OF THAT WAS TO INTRODUCE US TO THE CLERK THERE SO THAT SHOULD WE 

NEED ANY DOCUMENTS THAT WERE IN THE SUPREME COURT THAT WERE NOT 

IN THE ARCHIVES. WE WOULD KNOW WHO TO GET THEM FROM. 

QA. HOW LONG DID YOU WORK THERE WITH PROFESSOR BALDUS AT THE 

GEORGIA SUPREME COURT ITSELF? 

A. WE WERE ONLY THERE FOR ABOUT HALF AN HOUR. 

Q. AND AFTER THAT WHAT DID YOU DQ? 

A. AFTER THAT WE WENT TO THE DEPARTMENT OF PARDONS AND 

PAROLES, WHERE AGAIN WE WERE INTRODUCED TO THE PERSONNEL. TAKEN 

THROUGH THE FILES TO ILLUSTRATE TO US WHERE THE VARIOUS 

INFORMATION OF INTEREST WOULD BE KEPT IN THE FILES, AND THEN WE 

DID SOME PRACTICE CODING OF SOME CASES. 

Gl. HOW LONG DID YOU DO THAT WITH PROFESSOR BALDUS THERE? 

Ae. THAT WAS A DAY AND A HALF. 

Q. NOW. WHEN YOU REFER TO CODING SOME QUESTIONNAIRES. WHAT 

QUESTIONNAIRES WERE YOU CODING AT THAT TIME DURING THAT TRAINING 

PERIOD WITH PROFESSOR BALDUS? 

A. AT THE SUPREME. AT THE ARCHIVES BUILDING, WE WERE CODING 

TWO QUESTIONNAIRES. WE WERE CODING THE SUPREME COURT 

QUESTIONNAIRE AND WE WERE CODING THE PROCEDURAL REFORM 

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3 DO YOU RECOGNIZE WHAT THAT IS? 

4 A. IS THAT EG-3A7? 

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é A. I DONT HAVE AN EG-3. 

% 7 Gl. WELL, THEN CALLING YOUR ATTENTION IN THE VOLUME OF 

8 MATERIALS PREVIOUSLY UTILIZED IN PROFESSOR BALDUS” STUDY, THE 

9 DOCUMENT MARKED DB-357 | 

10 A. I HAVE THAT. 

11 Qe DO YOU RECOGNIZE WHAT THAT IS? 

12 A. YES, I DO. THAT“S A COPY OF A PROCEDURAL REFORM 

13 QUESTIONNAIRE THAT CATHY CHRISTIAN AND I USED TO CODE 

14 INFORMATION INTO IN 1980. 

15 MR. FORD: YOUR HONOR, I BELIEVE THAT THAT DOCUMENT HAS 

146 BEEN PREVIOUSLY ADMITTED WITHOUT OBJECTION... 

17 BY MR. FORD: 

18 Q. CALLING YOUR ATTENTION TO THE DOCUMENT IN THE MATERIALS 

# 19 UTILIZED DURING PROFESSOR BALDUS” TESTIMONY TO THE ITEM MARKED 

20 DB-27, DO YOU RECOGNIZE WHAT THAT IS? 

21 A. YES, 1 DO. 

22 Q. AND WHAT'S THAT? 

23 A. THE FIRST PART OF THAT EXHIBIT IS A PRINTOUT FROM THE 

<4 DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS WHICH INCLUDES INFORMATION ABOUT THE 

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AND THE SECOND PART OF THOSE MATERIALS ARE. ARE THE, 

SECOND PART 1S THE QUESTIONNAIRE. THE SUPREME COURT 

GUESTIONNAIRE THAT WE USED TO CODE INFORMATION INTO FROM THE 

SUPREME COURT RECORDS. GEORGIA SUPREME COURT RECORDS. 

RQ. SO THE SECOND PART. CAN YOU IDENTIFY BY DESCRIBING THE PAGE 

WHAT THAT SECOND PART BEGINS WITH. IS THERE ANYTHING 

ON THE TOP THAT IDENTIFIES IT? 

Ae IT BEGINS AT PAGE 13. 

Q. THOSE ARE THE TWO QUESTIONNAIRES THAT YOU WERE USING IN 

THIS TRAINING SESSION WITH PROFESSOR BALDUS? 

A RIGHT. 

MS. WESTMORELAND: YOUR HONOR, COULD I ASK WHAT THE 

EXHIBIT NUMBER WAS ON THAT AGAIN? I MISSED IT. 

MR. FORD: DB-27. 

MS. WESTMORELAND: THANK YOU. 

MR. FORD: WHICH I BELIEVE HAS BEEN ADMITTED. YOUR 

HONOR. 

BY MR. FORD: 

| Qa AFTER PROFESSOR BALDUS., AFTER YOU COMPLETED YOUR WORK WITH 

PROFESSOR BALDUS AT THE GEORGIA DEPARTMENT OF PARDONS AND 

PAROLES, WHAT HAPPENED THEN? 

A. I WENT HOME FOR CHRISTMAS. 

Q. I’M SORRY. BY YOUR WORK WITH PROFESSOR BALDUS, I MEAN THE 

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AFTER THE TRAINING SESSION. PROFESSOR BALDUS LEFT. AND 

MISS CHRISTIAN AND I BEGAN CODING CASES AT THE ARCHIVES BUILDING 

THOSE CASES WERE PRE-SELECTED FOR US. 

Q. AND WHAT HOURS DID YOU WORK OR WHAT PERIOD DID THAT TAKE, 

THEN. WHEN YOU AND MISS CHRISTIAN WERE WORKING? 

A. THAT TOOK FROM MID-SEPTEMBER TILL LATE OCTOBER. 

G. AND THAT WAS THE PERIOD OF TIME YOU WERE WORKING AT THE 

ARCHIVES BUILDING? 

A. THATS CORRECT. 

8. AND WHAT HOURS DID YOU WORK DURING THAT PERIOD? 

A. GENERALLY FROM 8100 TILL 4:30. 

8. AND HOW DID YOU, WHERE DID YOU PHYSICALLY WORK WITHIN THAT 

BUILDING? 

A. WITH REGARD TO CERTAIN DOCUMENTS. THERE‘S A SPECIAL AREA 

WHERE YOU MUST VIEW THOSE DOCUMENTS AT THE ARCHIVES BUILDING, 

AND THE SUPREME COURT DOCUMENTS WERE ONLY ALLOWED TO BE VIEWED 

IN THAT AREA. AND THEY HAD TABLES THAT WERE LARGE ENOUGH TO 

WORK ON» MAYBE THREE FEET IN DIAMETER. AND WE WERE ABLE TO WORK 

AT TABLES NEXT TO ONE ANOTHER THROUGHOUT THAT PERIOD. 

8. HOW DID YOU GET THE FILES FROM WHICH YOU WERE FILLING OUT 

THESE QUESTIONNAIRES? 

A. WE PROVIDED THE PERSONNEL THERE WITH THE OFFENDER‘S NAME 

AND THE DATE OF CONVICTION, AND THEY WOULD FIND THE DOCKET 

NUMBER AND THEY WOULD RETRIEVE THE CASE. 

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SOMETHING YOU HAD BEEN INSTRUCTED TO DO WITH REGARD TO WHICH 

CASES WERE PULLED? 

A. NO» WE WERE INSTRUCTED WHICH CASES TO CODE. 

G. THE RECORDS THAT WERE PROVIDED TO YOU, WERE THEY 

REPRESENTED TO YOU TO BE OFFICIAL RECORDS OF THE SUPREME COURT 

OF GEORGIA? 

A. YES, THEY WERE. 

@. BY PERSONNEL OF THE GEORGIA STATE ARCHIVES? 

A. THAT’S CORRECT. 

©. WHAT WAS IN THOSE FILES? 

YOU CAN GENERALIZE? 

A. THERE WAS A TRIAL TRANSCRIPT. 

THE BRIEFS FROM THE ATTORNEY GENERAL AND THE 

DEFENDANT/S APPELLATE BRIEFS. 

PRIMARILY THAT. 

@. WERE THERE ANY OTHER DOCUMENTS THAT YOU WERE WORKING FROM 

AT THAT TIME. OTHER THAN THOSE OFFICIAL RECORDS? 

A. WHEN IT WAS AVAILABLE, PROFESSOR BALDUS PROVIDED US WITH 

THE YORK QUESTIONNAIRE AND THE YORK CARD. 

@. WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THE YORK QUESTIONNAIRE AND YORK CARD? 

A. IT WAS REPRESENTED TO ME THAT THIS WAS A DOCUMENT THAT WAS 

FILLED OUT BY DENNIS YORK WHO WAS WORKING WITH THE SUPREME COURT 

OF GEORGIA. AND THEY WERE, THEY SUMMARIZED INFORMATION THAT WAS 

RELEVANT TO THE CODING OF THE CASE. 

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TIME? 

A. NOT THAT I RECALL. | 

Q. WERE ANY OF THESE CASES CASES IN WHICH THE GEORGIA SUPREME 

COURT HAD RENDERED A DECISION ON APPEAL? 

A. OH, YES. THERE WAS THE SUPREME COURT DECISION OF THE CASE 

IN THE FILE. 

Q. NOW, RETURNING TO DB-34, THE MEMORANDUM THAT DOCTOR BALDUS 

SENT TO YOU WHEN YOU FIRST BEGAN THE JOB. 

CAN YOU GENERALLY SUMMARIZE WHAT THAT MEMORANDUM 

INFORMED YOU OF AT THAT TIME? 

A. GENERALLY IT DESCRIBES SOME OF THE CASES THAT WE WILL BE 

CODING. 

IT PRIMARILY GIVES US PARTICULAR INSTRUCTIONS ON HOW TO 

ENTER THE DATA INTO THE QUESTIONNAIRE. 

QA. AND WERE THOSE INSTRUCTIONS FOLLOWED THROUGHOUT THIS 

PROCESS OF GATHERING DATA AT THE GEORGIA STATE ARCHIVES? 

A. YES, THEY WERE. PROFESSOR BALDUS, IN FACT, PROVIDED US 

WITH A NOTEBOOK SIMILAR TO THIS, AND THOSE INSTRUCTIONS WERE 

KEPT IN A NOTEBOOK WITH US AS WE WERE CODING ALL THE TIME. WE 

EACH HAD OUR OWN COPY. 

Q. CALLING YOUR ATTENTION PARTICULARLY TQ PAGE 3 OF THAT 

DOCUMENT, IN THE MIDDLE. THE PROVISION THAT INDICATES. WHERE. 

THE LAST SENTENCE BEFORE, LIST. NUMBERED LIST, BEGINNING 

"HOWEVER. IF THERE ARE INCONSISTENCIES IN THE VARIOUS SOURCES OF 

  

  
  
  

  

   



  

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BEGINNING WITH SUPREME COURT OPINION AND GOING DOWN ONE THROUGH 

FIVE. 

WAS THAT RULE FOLLOWED BY YOU THROUGHOUT? 

A. YES, IT WAS. 

@. DID THAT, WERE THERE, WITH REGARD TO THE RULES. HAVE YOU 

HAD AN OCCASION TO REVIEW THIS MEMORANDUM IN THE LAST FEW DAYS, 

PREPARATORY FOR YOUR TESTIMONY HERE? 

A. YES. 1 HAVE. 

Q. WERE THERE ANY RULES WITHIN THAT INSTRUCTION BOOK THAT WERE 

NOT FOLLOWED THAT WERE CHANGED OR MODIFIED AT ANY POINT DURING 

YOUR WORK EITHER AT THE GEORGIA STATE ARCHIVES OR ELSEWHERE, 

GATHERING THIS DATA? 

AR. THERE WAS ONLY ONE RULE THAT WAS. THAT WAS MODIFIED. BUT IT 

WAS, STRIKE THAT. 

THERE WERE SEVERAL RULES THAT WERE MODIFIED BUT THEY 

WERE ALL MODIFIED TO REFLECT CHANGES IN THE DIFFERENT 

QUESTIONNAIRES THAT WE WERE USING, SO THAT THESE, THESE 

INSTRUCTIONS RIGHT HERE SPECIFICALLY TELL YOU HOW TO CODE 

INFORMATION INTO THE SUPREME COURT QUESTIONNAIRE. 

NOW WHERE THE RULES ARE MODIFIED. THEY ARE MODIFIED IN 

SUCH A WAY THAT INSTRUCTS YOU HOW TO CODE THE INFORMATION INTO 

THE PROCEDURAL REFORM QUESTIONNAIRE. NOT SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES. 

BUT JUST HOW MANY LETTERS YOU ENTER OR THAT SORT OF THING. 

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THROUGH THE QUESTIONING ON THE PROCEDURAL REFORM STUDY AS WELL? 

A. YES. NOTHING LIKE THAT WAS CHANGED. 

G. AS I UNDERSTAND IT, YOU WERE FILLING OUT BOTH THE 

PROCEDURAL REFORM QUESTIONNAIRE AND THE SUPREME COURT 

QUESTIONNAIRE AT THE SAME TIME WHILE YOU WERE AT THE GEORGIA 

STATE ARCHIVES, IS THAT CORRECT? 

A. THATS CORRECT. 

a. WERE THERE ANY OTHER RULES. PRACTICES. WITH REGARD TO 

FILLING OUT, SAY, PARTICULARLY THE PROCEDURAL REFORM 

QUESTIONNAIRE, THE QUESTIONNAIRE IN THE STUDY NUMBER 1 WE“VE 

BEEN DISCUSSING HERE AND THAT PROFESSOR BALDUS HAS DISCUSSED. 

WERE THERE ANY OTHER RULES DEVELOPED THAT ARE NOT WRITTEN ON 

THIS PARTICULAR SET OF INSTRUCTIONS THAT YOU RECEIVED AT THE 

QUTSET? 

A. THERE ARE PROBABLY SOME THAT WERE DEVELOPED. THEY WOULD 

ALL BE COMPLETELY OBVIOUS TO ME NOW. AS PROFESSOR BALDUS 

DESCRIBED EARLIER TODAY, MISS CHRISTIAN AND I WOULD CALL HIM AT 

FOUR 0“CLOCK EVERY AFTERNOON, ESPECIALLY. IF THAT CHANGED. IT 

WOULD BE EVERY OTHER DAY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT LATER ON. BUT AT | 

THE START, WE HAD A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW TO CODE THE 

INFORMATION INTO THESE DOCUMENTS, SO PROFESSOR BALDUS WOULD 

RESOLVE ANY QUESTIONS THAT WE HAD ABOUT THE PROPER CODING. AND 

THOSE RESOLUTIONS WEREN’T ALWAYS RESOLVED, ALWAYS EMBODIED IN A 

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4 Q. AND DID YOU HAVE ANY OCCASIONS WHERE THE DECISION WAS MADE 

S THAT MIGHT RETROACTIVELY AFFECT DOCUMENTS THAT HAD ALREADY BEEN 

6 FILLED OUT? 

%® 7 Fe THAT HAPPENED OCCASIONALLY AT THE START. 

8 a. WHAT DID YOU DO ON THOSE OCCASIONS? 

9? A. ON THOSE OCCASIONS WE WERE INSTRUCTED TO GO BACK THROUGH TO 

10 THE RUESTION ALREADY CODED AND TO CHECK AND SEE IF IT WAS 

11 NECESSARY TO CHANGE THE CODING ON THOSE QUESTIONNAIRES. AND IF 

12 IT WAS NECESSARY. THEN WE DID CHANGE THEM. 

13 Re DO YOU KNOW APPROXIMATELY HOW MANY CASES YOU AND MISS 

14 . | CHRISTIAN CODED AT THE GEORGIA SUPREME COURT AND GEORGIA SUPREME 

15 COURT ARCHIVES? I TAKE IT THERE WAS NO SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE 

16 EXCEPT FOR THE LOCATION IN TERMS OF THE DOCUMENTS YOU WERE 

17 WORKING FROM, IS THAT RIGHT? 

18 Ae THATS RIGHT. 

é 19 Qe. THOSE TWO PLACES? 

20 A. AND WE CODED AROUND A HUNDRED CASES. 

21 Q. AND HOW LONG DID IT TAKE YOU TO CODE AN INDIVIDUAL CASE 

22 DURING THAT TIME? 

23 A. AT THE START, IT TOOK US, ID SAY FIVE TO SIX HOURS TO CODE 

24 AN INDIVIDUAL CASE. AND AS WE GOT BETTER AND MORE FAMILIAR WITH 

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2 Gl. AFTER YOU HAD FINISHED CODING THESE HUNDRED-ODD CASES AT 

3 THE GEORGIA SUPREME COURT AND THE SUPREME COURT ARCHIVES. WHAT 

4 DID YOU DO THEN? 

b= A. AFTER THAT. WE WENT TO THE DEPARTMENT OF PARDONS AND 

é PAROLES, AND BEGAN CODING CASES INTO THE PROCEDURAL REFORM 

. 7 QUESTIONNAIRE EXCLUSIVELY. 

8 Q. AND WHAT DOCUMENTS DID YOU WORK FROM THERE? 

9 A. FROM THERE. WE WORKED WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF PARDONS AND 

10 PAROLES FILES. 

11 A. CAN YOU DESCRIBE TO THE COURT WHAT THOSE FILES CONTAINED 

12 AND WHAT THEY WERE LIKE? 

13 A YES. THEY VARIED IN THEIR THICKNESS BUT WHAT THEY 

14 SYSTEMATICALLY INCLUDED WAS A POLICE INVESTIGATIVE. A SUMMARY OF 

13 THE POLICE INVESTIGATIVE REPORT BY A PAROLE OFFICER. 

146 THEY INCLUDED AN F.B.I. RAF SHEET. A PERSONAL HISTORY 

17 EVALUATION, AN ADMISSIONS DATA SUMMARY SMEET. AND SEVERAL OTHER 

18 DOCUMENTS THAT MIGHT INCLUDE LIKE A WITNESS STATEMENT OR THE 

® 19 ACTUAL POLICE REPORT. 

20 THOSE ARE THE DOCUMENTS THAT ARE RELEVANT TO. TO THE 

21 INFORMATION THAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR. 

22 QR. AND WHEN YOU WERE TAKING THAT INFORMATION, WERE YOU PUTTING 

23 THAT, WHICH QUESTIONNAIRES WERE YOU PUTTING THAT INFORMATION ON, 

24 ~~ |PARDONS AND PAROLES BOARD? 

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3 Q. THAT”S AGAIN DB-33, IS THAT RIGHT? 

4 A. YES. 

3 Ge HOW, PHYSICALLY HOW DID YOU GET THE FAROLE BOARD FILES? 

& A. AT THE START WE SIMPLY REQUESTED FROM THE PEOPLE WHO WORKED 

& 7 IN THE FILE ROOM AT THE DEPARTMENT OF PARDONS AND PAROLES THE 

3 FILE, WE REQUESTED IT BY THE OFFENDER‘S NAME, AND AS TIME WENT 

9 ON, THEY TAUGHT US HOW TO FIND THE FILES OURSELVES. AND SO WE 

10 WENT AND GOT THE FILES OURSELVES. 

11 Q. AND AGAIN WERE THESE REPRESENTED TO YOU TO BE OFFICIAL 

12 DOCUMENTS OF THE STATE OF GEORGIA? 

13 A. YES. THEY WERE. 

14 a. BY STAFF PERSONNEL OF THE STATE OF GEORGIA? 

15 A. THATS CORRECT. 

16 THE COURT: DID YOU SAY THAT THESE FILES SOMETIMES 

17 CONTAINED A POLICE REPORT? 

18 THE WITNESS: YES. 

19 THE COURT: DO YOU HAVE A FEELING NOW WHAT PERCENTAGE 

20 THAT PERTAINED TO? 

21 THE WITNESS: I WOULD SAY APPROXIMATELY TWENTY-FIVE 

22 PERCENT OF THE TIME. 

23 WHAT WAS ALWAYS THERE WAS AN INVESTIGATION BY THE 

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@. JUMPING AHEAD PERHAPS, JUST A SECOND. MR. GATES. BUT TO 

CLARIFY THAT MATTER. 

DO YOU RECALL IF ON EITHER THE PROCEDURAL REFORM 

QUESTIONNAIRE OR THE LATER GUESTIONNAIRE DONE IN THE SECOND 

STUDY, THE CHARGING AND SENTENCING STUDY, THERE WAS AN 

OPPORTUNITY TO CODE WHETHER OR NOT THE POLICE REPORT WAS IN THE 

FILES? IS THAT A QUESTION THAT WAS ASKED ON THOSE REPORTS? 

THE COURT: THE GUESTION WAS WHETHER AFTER READING THE 

POLICE REPORT, THE WRITER THOUGHT HE WAS GUILTY OR SOMETHING 

LIKE THAT. 

THE WITNESS: IN ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION, NO. 

YOU“RE CORRECT. 

THE COURT: WHEN YOU CONFRONTED THE FILE THAT DID NOT 

HAVE A POLICE REPORT IN IT, DID YOU CODE ON THE BASIS OF THE 

PAROLE OFFICER‘S OFFICIAL VERSION? 

THE WITNESS: THATS CORRECT. 

THE COURT: SO YOU READ THE PAROLE OFFICER‘S OFFICIAL 

VERSION, AND DETERMINED WHETHER HE WAS GUILTY OR WHETHER THE 

PAROLE OFFICER THOUGHT HE WAS GUILTY OR WHAT? JUST EXACTLY WHAT 

DID YOU DETERMINE? 

THE WITNESS: WE WERE SUPPOSED TO, WHAT WE DID WAS READ 

THE PAROLE OFFICER’S SUMMARY OF THE INFORMATION THAT WAS 

CONTAINED IN THE POLICE, LOCAL POLICE DEPARTMENT FILES. AND FROM 

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AND SENTENCING STUDY? 

Be THAT’S CORRECT. 

a. WE CAN DISCUSS LATER ON A LITTLE MORE IN DETAIL HOW THAT 

WAS DONE. I DIDN‘T MEAN TO JUMP AHEAD THERE. 

LET’S GO PERHAPS, MR. GATES. WOULD YOU TURN IN YOUR 

BOOK, IN THE VOLUME OF MATERIAL I PROVIDED YOU WITH TO DOCUMENT 

MARKED EG-3A? 

AND DO YOU) RECOGNIZE WHAT THAT IS? 

A. YES, I DO. 

q. AND WHAT IS IT? 

A. THATS AN EXAMPLE OF A CASE THAT WAS CODED BY ME. NOVEMBER 

7, 1980, CODED FROM THE INFORMATION IN THE FILES AT THE 

| DEPARTMENT OF PARDONS AND PAROLES. 

Ql. AND HAVE YOU SEEN THAT DOCUMENT BEFORE? 

A. YES, I SAW IT YESTERDAY, AND I SAW IT WHEN I CODED IT. 

Qa. I NOTICE ON THE TOP OF THAT DOCUMENT. IT SAYS GEORGIA 

PAROLE BOARD QUESTIONNAIRE, OCTOBER. 1980, FIRST REVISION, IS 

THAT CORRECT? 

A. THATS CORRECT. 

Qe. NOW. I BELIEVE UNDER DB-3S5 IT SAYS GEORGIA PAROLE BOARD 

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A. NO, IN FACT. THAT’S WHY I CAME ACROSS THIS DOCUMENT WHERE 

THE OFFENDER‘S NAME IS BILLY HARDY. 

YESTERDAY THE QUESTION AROSE AS TD WHETHER OR NOT THERE 

WAS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS FIRST REVISION, THIS OCTOBER FIRST 

REVISION AND THE NOVEMBER QUESTIONNAIRE. AND I SIMPLY DIDNT 

RECALL. SO I LOOKED THROUGH THE FIRST BOX OF FILES THAT I FOUND 

ON THE FLOOR AND TOOK OUT THE FIRST CASE WHERE I FOUND A FIRST 

REVISION. AND THAT WAS THIS CASE. AND I COMPARED THEM. AND 

THERE ARE NO DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE TWO, EXCEPT IN HOW MANY 

QUESTIONS ARE ON A PAGE. THINGS LIKE THAT. 

THE COURT: EXCEPT WHAT? 

THE WITNESS: THE NUMBER, THE FORMAT IS CHANGED. You 

CAN SEE ON THE FIRST PAGE OF THE OCTOBER FIRST REVISION THERE'S 

ONLY SIX QUESTIONS ON THAT PAGE AND ON THE OTHER ONE, THERES 

NINE QUESTIONS. IT WAS PROBABLY TRYING TO COLLAPSE AND USE 

FEWER PAGES. 

BUT I CHECKED EVERY SINGLE QUESTION AND EACH QUESTION 

IS SUBSTANTIVELY THE SAME. 

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QR. SO IN OTHER WORDS, THE SECOND —- 

THE COURT: WAIT JUST A SECOND. THE GEORGIA PARCLE 

BOARD QUESTIONNAIRE, WHICH STUDY DOES THAT FEED INTO? 

MR. FORD: STUDY NUMBER 1, YOUR HONOR. 

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THE COURT: -- QUESTIONNAIRE? 

THE WITNESS: YEAH. 

THE COURT: BUT NOT THE INITIAL SUPREME COURT 

QUESTIONNAIRE, BUT THE SUBSEQUENT -- 

THE WITNESS: THAT’S CORRECT. 

THE COURT: ALL RIGHT. 

BY MR. FORD: 

Q. JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, PERHAPS. CAN WE REFER NOW TO STUDY 

NUMBER ONE, PERHAPS LATER, WE CAN GET TO THE CHARGING AND 

SENTENCING STUDY, STUDY NUMBER TWO? 

A. OKAY. 

Ge AS I UNDERSTAND IT, YOU NEVER FILLED OUT ANY GEORGIA 

SUPREME COURT QUESTIONNAIRES, WHICH IS TO SAY, NUMBER ONE-HALF 

OR SOMETHING, BUT THAT YOU DID NOT ALSO FILL OUT A STUDY NUMBER 

ONE QUESTIONNAIRE. IS THAT RIGHT? 

A. THATS CORRECT. 

a. AND WITH REGARD TO THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THIS NOVEMBER 

AND OCTOBER VERSION WHERE YOU SAY THERE‘S NINE QUESTIONS ON THE 

FIRST PAGE, ALL NINE OF THOSE QUESTIONS ARE ALSO IN THE NEXT 

QUESTIONNAIRE, IT’S JUST ON A DIFFERENT PAGE. IS THAT RIGHT? 

A. THATS CORRECT. 

Qe. SO, BUT YOU HAD PULLED THIS TO CHECK THAT FACT? 

A. THAT WAS THE ONLY REASON I PULLED IT. 

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Ae YES. SIR. 

QR. DOES THAT APPEAR TO BE A TRUE AND CORRECT COPY OF THE ONE 

YOU FILLED OUT? 

A. YES, IT DOES. 

MR. FORD: I“D OFFER EG-3A, YOUR HONOR. 

MS. WESTMORELAND: YOUR HONOR, I WOULD OBJECT ON THE 

BASIS THAT IT SEEMS THAT IF THERE ARE NO DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE 

TWO QUESTIONNAIRES. EG-3A, WHICH WOULD MERELY BE CUMULATIVE OF 

DB-3S. 

IF THE QUESTIONNAIRES ARE THE SAME, I THINK DB-335 

SERVES THE PURPOSE OF GIVING AN EXAMPLE OF THE QUESTIONNAIRE 

USED IN THE PROCEDUREAL REFORM STUDY. 

MR. FORD: VERY SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE. YOUR HONOR. 

THIS ONE HAS WRITING ON IT BY GATES. WHICH IS THE PURPOSE OF ITS 

OFFER. 

THE COURT: WHAT IS IT OFFERED TO PROVE? 

MR. FORD: WELL, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK MR. GATES A SERIES 

OF QUESTIONS WITH REGARD TO HOW HE FILLED IT OUT AS JUST A RANDOM 

CHOSEN EXAMPLE. 

THE COURT: FOR THE PURPOSE OF ILLUSTRATING THAT 

TESTIMONY. I WILL MORE THAN LIKELY ADMIT IT. 

MR. FORD: THANK YOU. YOUR HONOR. PERHAPS I-LL MOVE, 

WELL, I THINK IT HAS TO BE ADMITTTED BEFORE I ASK SUBSTANTIVELY 

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MR. FORD: THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR. 

BY MR. FORD: 

a. MR. GATES. WOULD YOU JUST START ON THE FIRST PAGE OF THIS 

EG-3A AND JUST VERY BRIEFLY GO DOWN WHAT YOUR CODINGS ON THAT 

REPRESENT? 

A. YES. IN THE TOP RIGHTHAND CORNER THERES SOMETHING CALLED 

CASE NUMBER, WHICH IS IDENTICAL TO WHAT’S CALLED VARIABLE NUMBER 

1. AND THAT 77 SECTION, THAT WAS THE NUMBER THAT WAS PROVIDED 

US BY PROFESSOR BALDUS. 

THE NEXT VARIABLE 1S DATE OF OFFENSE. AND THAT’S THE 

DATE OF THE OFFENSE. AND THAT WAS INFORMATION THAT 

WE TOOK FROM THE SUMMARY OF THE POLICE FILE. 

THE NEXT IS THE DEFENDANTS PLEA. IN HERE IT’S CODED 

NOT GUILTY, AND THATS ALSO INFORMATION THAT WE TOOK FROM THE 

DEPARTMENT OF PARDONS AND PAROLES FILES. 

LET ME JUST QUALIFY THIS. ALL OF THIS INFORMATION IS 

TAKEN FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF PARDONS AND PAROLES FILES, SO I 

DON’T REALLY HAVE TO SAY THAT EVERYTIME. 

THE NEXT ITEM IS THE DATE OF THE TRIAL ON GUILT. 

THE NEXT ITEM IS THE SENTENCE THAT THE OFFENDER GOT. 

THE NEXT ITEM IS THE STATUS OF THE DEFENSE COUNSEL. 

4. HOW WOULD YOU DETERMINE THAT LAST ONE, THE STATUS OF 

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13 Qe. IS IT CONCEIVABLE THAT ANY OF THESE ENTRIES MAY HAVE BEEN 

14 CHANGED OR PUT IN BY HIM AT THAT TIME? 

13 A. YES, 1T 1S. 

16 Q. THERE MAY BE AN OCCASIONAL ONE LIKE THAT. AS FAR AS YOU CAN 

17 TELL, OR THERE“S NO WAY TO REALLY TELL, I GUESS, EXCEPT BY 

18 DIFFERENCES IN HANDWRITING, IS THAT RIGHT? 

19 A. THERES ONE OTHER WAY OF TELLING. WE TRIED TO EMBODY ALL 

THE RELEVANT INFORMATION ABOUT THE CASE IN THE SUMMARY AT THE 

21 END, SO THAT IF, IF FOR EXAMPLE AT THE START WE DIDN‘T RECORD 

22 THE RACE OF THE DEFENDANT OR THE VICTIM OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT 

23 AND THEN IT WAS CODED IN LATER ON, THAT WAS PROBABLY CODED IN BY 

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WHICH INDICATES. HAS TO DO WITH PROSECUTION’S OR THE JUDGE'S 

ACTIONS WITH REGARD TO THE PENALTY AND THE PENALTY TRIAL AND THE 

APPEAL: IS THAT RIGHT? 

A. YES. THIS IS A PERFECT ILLUSTRATION OF THAT WHERE THAT 

INFORMATION WAS SELDOM FOUND IN THE DEPARTMENT OF PARDONS AND 

PAROLES FILES, AND WE WOULD HAVE LEFT ALL THOSE QUESTIONS BLANK 

AND THE NUMBERS THERE WOULD REFLECT ENTRIES BY SOMEONE ELSE 

LATER ON. 

QA. NUMBER 12. DATE OF SUPREME COURT DECISION. NOT A FAMILIAR 

DATE, 00009. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? 

A. THAT CODE INDICATES THERE WAS NO APPEAL IN THIS CASE. 

WHAT -— 

Ql. NOW. I“M SORRY, WERE YOU GOING TO SAY SOMETHING ELSE? 

A. I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY WHEN MISS CHRISTIAN AND I STARTED 

CODING THESE CASES, IT WAS OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT THE DEATH 

PENALTY CASES HAD ALREADY BEEN CODED AND SO THAT IF PROFESSOR 

BALDUUS PROVIDED US WITH A SUPREME COURT DECISION. THEN WE WOULD 

KNOW WHETHER OR NOT THERE WAS AN APPEAL. AND SO THE REASON FOR 

THAT ENTRY. IF WE DIDN’T HAVE A SUPREME COURT OPINION IN FRONT 

OF US IN THE MATERIALS THAT PROFESSOR BALDUS HAD PROVIDED US 

WITH, THEN THAT WAS THE APPROPRIATE CODE. 

a. PAGE GA. THATS A LITTLE DIFFERENT. WHAT IS THAT? WHAT 

DID YOU INCLUDE THERE, JUST IN GENERAL? 

A. IN GENERAL, THAT’S JUST INFORMATION ABOUT THE. WHO 

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2 THE COURT: PAGE 37 

3 THE WITNESS: PAGE 3A. 

4 MR. FORD: 3A, YOUR HONOR. IT COMES BEFORE 3 IN MY 

5S COPY» ANYWAY. 

6 THE COURT: MR. FORD, -- 

a 7 MR. FORD: YES, SIR. 

8 THE COURT: =-- IF 1 REMEMBER CORRECTLY, WE HAVE GONE 

ks OVER GENERALLY WHAT THIS CONTAINS, AND, AM I RIGHT ABOUT THAT? 

10 MR. FORD: 1 BELIEVE PROFESSOR BALDUS HAS GONE OVER THE 

11 GENERAL ASPECTS. 

12 FRANKLY, WHAT I“M TRYING TO DO IS MORE SPECIFIC. AND 

13 ALSO TO GIVE YOUR HONOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO ASK ANY GIUESTIONS, 

14 TRY TO ASK ANY OBVIOUS QUESTIONS MYSELF, WHICH HAVE TO DO WITH 

i5 THE INTERPRETATION AND EXECUTION OF THESE THINGS. 

16 THE COURT: WHY DON’T YOU GO TO THOSE THAT SEEM TO BE 

17 MORE JUDGMENTAL. OR WHERE YOU HAVE SOME OTHER PROBLEM? 

13 MR. FORD: THANK YOU, YOUR HONGCR. 

» 1% BY MR. FORD: : 

20 Q. MOVING TO PAGE 3, FOLLOWS 3A AND -B, NUMBER OF PRIOR 

23 ARRESTS, LINE 14, WHERE WOULD THAT INFORMATION BE CONTAINED IN 

22 THIS PAROLE BOARD FILE? 

23 A. THAT INFORMATION WOULD BE TAKEN FROM THE F.B.I. RAP SHEET. 

24 IT WOULD BE TAKEN FROM THE, WHAT I CALL THE POLICE 

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THAT THE PAROLE OFFICER WROTE. 

QA. WOULD BOTH OF THOSE SOURCES BE UTILIZED BY YOU IF THEY WERE 

AVAILABLE OR WOULD ONE OF THEM BE SUFFICIENT? 

A. OH NO, WE ALWAYS CHECKED ALL THE SOURCES OF INFORMATION 

ABOUT ARRESTS IN THE FILE. THAT INFORMATION WAS IN THE F.B.I. 

RAP SHEET AND THE PAROLE OFFICER WOULD ALWAYS DO A SEARCH OF THE 

OFFENDER’S CRIMINAL HISTORY FROM THE LOCAL POLICE RECORDS. 

AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, THE PERSONAL HISTORY 

EVALUATION WOULD INCLUDE THE OFFENDER‘S ACCOUNT OF WHAT HIS OWN 

CRIMINAL RECORD WAS. ) 

AND YOU CAN SEE ON PAGE 3 THAT WE HAVE SEPARATED THOSE 

SOURCES OF INFORMATION ON THE LEFT; WE WOULD BE CODING IN THE 

INFORMATION FROM THE F.B.I. RAP SHEETS AND FROM THE POLICE 

INVESTIGATIVE REPORTS. 

AND ON THE RIGHTHAND SIDE. IF THE INMATE HAD REPORTED 

ANYTHING IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE WOULD CODE IT THERE, PRIMARILY 

BECAUSE OF A CONCERN FOR THE RELIABILITY OF SOMEONE 

SELF-REPORTING THEIR OWN CRIMINAL HISTORY. 

THE COURT: LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION. 

IF I UNDERSTOOD DOCTOR BALDUS“ TESTIMONY, HE SAID A | 

LITTLE COLUMN HE HAD ON THE SUPREME COURT QUESTIONNAIRE ASKING WHO 

KNEW THIS WAS DISPENSED WITH. 

WAS THAT DISPENSED WITH BEFORE YOU STARTED DOING THIS 

SORT OF WORK? 

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3 DEFENDANT AT WHAT STAGE OF THE PROCEEDING. IS THAT CORRECT OR 

4 INCORRECT? 

S THE WITNESS: THAT“S CORRECT. 

3 BY MR. FORD: 

x 7 Q. WITH REGARD TO WHAT YOU HAVE DESCRIBED AS F.B.I. RAF 

8 SHEETS. HAD YOU EVER SEEN. HAVE YOU SEEN ONE SINCE? 

9 A. YES, 1 HAVE. 

10 Qe. STANDARD RAP SHEET, UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE, 

11 FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION, COMPUTER PRINTOUT, THAT SORT OF 

12 THING. SEVERAL DIFFERENT COLUMNS? 

13 A. THATS CORRECT. 

14 @. DID YOU HAVE ANY TROUBLE SOMETIMES READING THOSE AND 

13 FIGURING OUT HOW MANY ENTRIES OR WHETHER THERE WERE ENTRIES THAT 

16 WERE DUPLICATIVE? 

17 A. THIS WAS VERY DIFFICULT. ESPECIALLY WHERE THE DEFENDANT HAD 

18 AN EXTENSIVE CRIMINAL RECORD. WHEN THERE“S -~ LET ME JUST SAY 

19 IT TAKES AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF EXPERIENCE TO INTERPRET THESE 

20 THINGS. 

21 WHEN AN OFFENDER IS TRANSFERRED FROM ONE JAIL TO 

22 ANOTHER JAIL, THERE WILL BE ANOTHER ENTRY IN THE F.B.I. REPORT, 

23 AND IT’S VERY CONFUSING. YOU CANT TELL IF IT“S A NEW CRIME OR 

24 IF A CHARGE HAS BEEN REDUCED OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT THERE’S A 

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BUT WE WERE FORTUNATE BECAUSE WE WERE WORKING IN AN 

AREA SURROUNDED BY PROFESSIONALS. AND WE WERE ABLE TQ CONSULT AT 

ANY MOMENT WITH THE MEMBERS OF THE DEPARTMENT OF PARDONS AND 

PAROLES ON HOW TO INTERPRET THESE DOCUMENTS. 

Qa AND DID YOU DO THAT? 

Aa. WE ALWAYS DID IT. 

@. AS A GENERAL MATTER, DID YOU TAKE DOCUMENTS IN WITH YOU? 

Ae OH, IF THERE WAS EVER ANY AMBIGUITY. IF IT JUST WASN‘T 

CLEAR, THEN WE WOULD TAKE IT TO THEM TO SEE IF THEY COULD RESOLVE 

IF THEY COULDN’T RESOLVE IT, THEN WE WOULD ENTER THE INFORMATION 

WE WERE SURE OF ON THE QUESTIONNAIRE, AND CODE SOMETHING IN THE 

AMBIGUITY SECTION. 

Re. THANK YOU. NOW, WITH REGARD TO. WILL YOU MOVE TO PAGE 47 

A. UH HUH. 

Qe. CHARACTERISTICS OF THE VICTIM. I NOTICE ON PAGE 20 IT 

INDICATES THERE A "1", INDICATES THE VICTIM IN THIS CASE WHITE, 

IS THAT RIGHT? 

A. LOOKS LIKE QUESTION 20. 

Q. QUESTION 20, I“M SORRY. PAGE 4, QUESTION 20. PERHAPS WE 

SHOULD GET OUR TERMINOLOGY STRAIGHT. 

WITH REGARD TO, THERE‘S, ARE YOU ON FAGE 47? 

A. UH HUH. 

Qe. QUESTION NUMBER 20, RACE? NOW OVER ON THE RIGHT-HAND 

COLUMN THERE“S A NUMBER "44" UNDER A LITTLE LINE. DO YOU HAVE A 

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OUR NUMBERING’S SAKE. -- 

A. I’M SORRY. YOU‘RE REFERRING TO. TO QUESTION NUMBER 20, THE 

SMALL NUMBER "66"? 

QR. YEAH, WHAT IS THAT CALLED? 

A. THAT“S CALLED FOIL NUMBER. 

a. FOIL NUMBER 6&6 IS QUESTION NUMBER 20 ON RACE? 

A. THATS RIGHT. 

a. THE FOIL SAYS 1 WHITE. LOOKING BACK AT 3B, NAME OF THE 

INDIVIDUAL, AND THE DATE OF DEATHS IF RACE, ENTER ONLY IF RACE 

IS UNKNOWN. 

EXPLAIN THE APPARENT INCONSISTENCY THERE. 

A YES. I CAN. IF YOU LOOK BACK TO THE SUMMARY, -- 

THE COURT: WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT, 3B? PAGE 3B. 

MR. FORD: PAGE 3B. 

THE WITNESS: PAGE 3B. 

MR. FORD: I“VE GOT A LOT OF NUMBERS HERE, YOUR HONOR. 

IM SORRY, I“LL TRY TO KEEP THEM STRAIGHTER. 

BY MR. FORD: 

a. INDICATES THE NAME OF THE INDIVIDUAL IS TO BE ENTERED ONLY 

IF THE RACE IS UNKNOWN. AND UNDERNEATH THAT. ALSO ON PAGE 3B. 

QUESTION 2A. OVER ON THE FAR RIGHT. THERES A ZERO PLACED BY 

"UNKNOWN. 

IS THERE ANY INCONSISTENCY BETWEEN THAT AND THE 

INFORMATION ON PAGE 4, WITH REGARD TO RACE? 

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4 SUBSEQUENT TO THAT. I ASSUME PROFFESSOR BALDUS FROM 

5 | SOME OTHER SOURCE FOUND OUT WHAT THE RACE OF THE VICTIM WAS. AND 

4 | ENTERED OR HAD SOMEONE ENTER THE RACE OF THE VICTIM INTO THE 

@ 7 | QUESTIONNAIRE THERE. 

3 AND IF YOU LOOK BACK TO PAGE 15 OF THE SUMMARY, —— 

9 |@. PAGE 15 OF THIS SAME DOCUMENT? 

10 |A. THAT“S RIGHT. 

11 |@. NARRATIVE SUMMARY OF THE CASE AND A HANDWRITTEN 

12 | DESCRIPTION? 

13 |A. YEAH. IF YOU LOOK AT THE SECOND LINE OF THAT. IT LOOKS AS 

14 | THOUGH SOMEONE HAS WRITTEN IN AT THE END OF THE SECOND LINE, 

15 | "WHITE." | 

16 Qe DOES THAT APPEAR TO HAVE BEEN ADDED LATER? \ 

17 A. YES, IT DOES. 

13 Q. PRESUMABLY FROM LATER OBTAINED INFORMATION, THEN. 

. 19 NOW THIS SUMMARY SHEET. LET“S STAY THERE A SECOND, IF   20 YOU WOULD. 

21 HAVE YOU HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THIS SUMMARY? 

<2 Ad YES. I HAVE. 

23 Qe. CAN YOU VERY GENERALLY DESCRIBE WHAT THIS CASE IS ABOUT? 

24 A. I WOULD LIKE TO REVIEW IT AGAIN, THEN. OKAY. 

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2 PERHAPS, I THINK THE COURT’S HAD A CHANCE TO READ IT 

3 OVER. LET ME ASK, IS THIS YOUR HAMDWRITING? DID YOU WRITE THIS 

4 SUMMARY? 

3S A. YES. I DID. : 

é Q. THE BOTTOM LINE LOOKS A LITTLE DIFFERENT. DOES THAT APPEAR 

% 7 TO BE YOUR HANDWRITING, OR COULD THAT HAVE BEEN ADDED LATER. THE 

3 VERY BOTTOM OF THE PAGE. ANOTHER CO-PERPETRATOR? 

? A. NO, THATS MY HANDWRITING. 

10 Q. THATS YOUR HANDWRITING. 

11 SO EVERYTHING OTHER THAN THIS ONE ENTRY OF "WHITE" 

12 APPEARS TO BE WHAT YOU WROTE IN HERE? 

13 Re UH HUH. 

14 MR. FORD: I DON’T KNOW IF THE COURT NEEDS ANY 

1S | ADDITIONAL SUMMARY AT THIS POINT. 

16 |BY MR. FORD: 

17 |@. NOW, WITH REGARD THEN. GOING BACK TO PAGE 4, AFTER THE RACE 

18 |OF THE VICTIM, AGE OF THE VICTIM, IS THAT SOMETHING YOU 

J; 19 | APPARENTLY HAD AT THAT TIME? 

20 |{A. VES, IT 18, 

21 |@. SO THAT'S ENTERED IN THE ACTUAL NUMBER, 667 

22 |A. THAT’S CORRECT. 

23 |@. THEN ON QUESTION 22. RELATIONSHIP OF VICTIM TO DEFENDANT, 

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a. HERE YOU‘RE GIVEN BASICALLY 24 ALTERNATIVES, POSSIBILITY OF 

UNKNOWN, IS THAT RIGHT? 

A. THATS CORRECT. 

Q. THEN ON LINE B OF THE FOILS, DIRECTLY BELOW THE ENTRY THAT 

INDICATES IT’S A STRANGER. IS THAT 097? 

A. THAT INDICATES THAT THERE WAS ONLY ONE OF THE 

POSSIBILITIES, THERE‘S ONLY ONE POSSIBLE ANSWER FROM THE FACTS 

OF THE CASE. iy 

THE REASON THERE’S TWO FOILS, SOMETIMES YOU‘LL HAVE A 

SITUATION WHERE THE RELATIONSHIP IS MORE COMPLEX THAN ANY ONE OF 

THESE THINGS DESCRIBES. SO YOU MIGHT HAVE FOR EXAMPLE A CODING 

OF 20, AND; AND 2, WHERE THEY ARE GANG MEMBERS. AND RELATED IN A 

FASHION. 

THE COURT: YOUR SUMMARY DOES NOT INDICATE TO ME -— I 

MAY HAVE MISSED IT -- WHAT THE RELATIONSHIP IS. FROM THE 

CIRCUMSTANCES OF THE OFFENSE. AND THE FACT THAT IT OCCURRED IN A 

SMALL RURAL COUNTY, I THINK I MIGHT HAVE ASSUMED THAT IT WASN‘T 

A STRANGER. 

DO YOU KNOW NOW WHY YOU CLASSIFIED THE RELATIONSHIP AS 

BEING THAT OF A STRANGER? 

THE WITNESS: I CANT RECALL. I WISH THAT THE 

AMBIGUITY SHEET WAS ACCOMPANYING THIS QUESTIONNAIRE. THERE’S, 1 

THINK YOU MAY RECALL THAT PROFESSOR BALDUS DECIDED. DESCRIBED 

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2 SITUATION LIKE THAT, IF, IF THERE WERE SOME SORT OF SUGGESTED 

3 RELATIONSHIP TO ME I WOULD HAVE CODED IT THERE, AND EXPLAINED 

4 WHY I CODED IT THAT WAY IN THE AMBIGUITIES. 

S THE COURT: I KNOW THAT EARLIER WE TESTIFIED THAT THE 

é& FIRST 243 WERE ACTUALLY CODED BASED ON THE EXTRACTS. 

a” 7 YOU WROTE THE SUMMARY FIRST. IF I UNDERSTAND YOUR 

8 METHODOLOGY. THEN DID YOU CODE BASED ON LOOKING AT THE SUMMARY 

: J OR DID YOU CODE BASED ON LOOKING AT THE DOCUMENTS THAT YOU HAD 

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13 WHAT, WHAT I OFTEN DID, BECAUSE THE CRIMINAL HISTORY OF 

14 THE OFFENDER WAS OFTEN SO COMPLEX AND BECAUSE THERE WERE SOME 

13 REAL YES-NO ANSWERS ABOUT HIM IN THE EARLIER PARTS OF THE FAROLE 

16 BOARD FILES, LIKE HIS AGE AND HIS RACE AND THAT SORT OF THING, I 

17 WOULD GO AHEAD AND FIGURE OUT HIS CRIMINAL HISTORY AND ENTER 

18 THOSE INITIAL VARIABLES RIGHT AT THE START. 

19 THEN I WOULD PROCEED TO READ THE WHOLE FILE. AND 

20 ENCAPSULATE THAT READING INTO THE SUMMARY. 

21 AND THEN AS SOON AS I WAS DONE READING THE SUMMARY JUST 

22 CODE THE INFORMATION INTO THE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS. 

23 BUT I WOULD NOT CODE THE INFORMATION FROM THE SUMMARY 

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THE COURT: AT A MINIMUM, YOU HAD THE SOURCE DOCUMENT 

LITERALLY AT YOUR FINGERTIPS WHEN YOU DID THE CODING. 

THE WITNESS: THATS CORRECT. 

THE COURT: AND YOU WERE NOT RELYING SOLELY ON THE 

SUMMARY AT THE POINT YOU DID THE CODING. 

THE WITNESS: OH, NO. 

BY MR. FORD: 

Qe WAS THE SUMMARY INTENDED TO INCLUDE EACH AND EVERY VARIABLE 

THAT WAS IN THE QUESTIONNAIRE ITSELF, OR WAS IT MORE OF A 

GENERAL DESCRIPTION OF THE CIRCUMSTANCES? 

Ad IT WAS INTENDED TO INCLUDE EACH AND EVERY VARIABLE AS BEST 

YOU COULD, BUT WHAT IT WAS REALLY INTENDED FOR WAS TO HIGHLIGHT 

PARTS OF THE, PARTS OF THE CRIME THAT WEREN‘T ADEQUATELY CODED 

BY THE QUESTIONNAIRE. 

Q. OR SIMPLY COULDN’T BE CODED? 

A. COULDNT BE CODED. 

Q. TURNING TO PAGE 5S, STATUS OF THE VICTIM. 046. I TAKE IT 

THERE WAS SOME INDICATION THIS INDIVIDUAL WAS A RETIRED PERSON? 

A. YES, SIR. 

Ql. NOW WOULD YOU JUST HAVE ASSUMED THAT FROM THE FACT THAT 

HE“S && YEARS OLD? 

A. NO. 

Q. THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE STATED CLEARLY OR HOW WOULD YOU 

DETERMINE THAT. THEN? 

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1 Q. WOULD YOU. WELL. DID YOU HAVE A RULE ABOUT MAKING 

2 INFERENCES LIKE THAT? 

A. NO. NO, THERE WAS NO RULE ABOUT MAKING AN INFERENCE ON 

WHETHER OR NOT SOMEONE WAS RETIRED BECAUSE OF THEIR AGE OR 

SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 

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7 TYPE? J 

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9 PROCEDURAL REFORM STUDY WHICH IS, WHICH RULE IS DIFFERENT FROM 

10 THE RULE THAT WE USED IN THE CHARGING AND SENTENCING STUDY, WAS 

11 TO DRAW REASONABLE INFERENCES, BASED ON OUR READING OF THE FILE. 

12 THE COURT! IN WHICH CASE DID YOU DRAW INFERENCES. IN 

13 WHICH STUDY? 

14 THE WITNESS: IN THE PROCEDURAL AND REFORM STUDY, STUDY 

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16 BY MR. FORD: 

17 Q. BUT. &6 WOULDN’T BE ENOUGH TO MEET WHAT YOU HELD AS THE 

18 STANDARD OF REASONABLENESS IN TERMS OF DRAWING A POSITIVE ON 

19 "RETIRED?" 

20 A. NO. I MEAN I COULD SPECULATE, I MEAN, IT’S BEEN THREE 

21 YEARS SINCE I DID THIS FILE. BUT MY MEMORY OF IT OR MY SENSE OF | 

22 IT WAS SOMEONE COMING THROUGH TOWN AND FLASHING A LOT OF MONEY | 

23 AND THESE GUYS TRIED TO ENTICE THIS GUY INTO A POKER GAME OR 

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MUCH COMMON SENSE 1S COMMON SENSE, IS AN IMPORTANT QUESTION 

HERE, HOW MUCH IS A REASONABLE INFERENCE. YOUR SENSE IS 66 IS 

NOT ENOUGH FOR "RETIRED?" 

A. RIGHT. 

A. IT WOULD HAVE TO BE SOMETHING MORE EXPLICIT THAN THAT? 

A. YES. 

Q. 24, DOWN ON THE BOTTOM -—-— 

A. EXCUSE ME. LET ME SAY ONE MORE THING. 

WHEN THINGS LIKE THIS CAME UP. KATHY AND I WERE 

CONTINUALLY DISCUSSING THESE CASES WITH ONE ANOTHER. SO IF 

SOMETHING CAME UP ABOUT WHAT WAS REASONABLE. AND IT REALLY 

SEEMED TO CREATE A QUESTION, WE WOULD SAVE THAT FOR THAT NIGHT, 

AND ASK DAVE, AND DAVE WOULD ULTIMATELY DETERMINE THE BORDERLINE 

CASES OF WHAT WAS REASONABLE AND WHAT WASN‘T REASONABLE. 

Q. DOWN ON THE BOTTOM OF PAGE FIVE, SPECIAL AGGRAVATING AND 

MITITIGATING CIRCUMSTANCES, -- 

A. UH HUH. 

a. 04, DEFENSELESS BY VIRTUE OF ADVANCED AGE. WOULD THE AGE 

BE ENOUGH FOR THAT? 

A. YES, THAT HAS A SPECIFIC RULE ATTACHED TO IT. THAT IF THE 

VICTIM WAS OVER 45 YEARS OLD, WE WOULD CODE THAT FOIL. 

THE COURT: YOU WOULD DO WHAT? 

THE WITNESS: WE WOULD ENTER THE POSSIBILITY NUMBER a, 

THAT. DEFENSELESS BY VIRTUE OF ADVANCED AGE. 

  

  

 



  

  

  

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A. HARD AND FAST RULE. 

Q. AND THAT WAS THROUGHOUT? 

A. THROUGHOUT THE PROCEDURAL REFORM STUDY. 

Q. THE PROCEDURAL REFORM STUDY. 

TURNING TO PAGE 4, WHERE THE MURDER OCCURRED. CODED 

14, COUNTY ROAD, RURAL AREA. 

FROM THE POLICE REPORTS OR PAROLE BOARD OFFICERS 

DESCRIPTION OF THE OFFENSE. 

A. UH HUH. CORRECT. 

(m8 26, DID IT OCCUR WHILE HE WAS ENGAGED IN THE COMMISSION OF 

ANOTHER OFFENSE, CODED OVER ON THE RIGHT, ARMED ROBBERY. NUMBER 

02, 4, AGGRAVATED BATTERY. 

HOW DID YOU MAKE THOSE DETERMINATIONS? AGAIN FROM THE 

SOURCE MATERIAL. THE SOURCE MATERIAL IS THE SAME? 

Ae. SAME SOURCE MATERIAL. 

Ge. DID YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFIC DEFINITIONS WITH REGARD TO THOSE 

TERMS? WAS THERE ANY QUESTION IN THIS CASE? 

Fe WELL, WITH RESPECT TO AGGRAVATED BATTERY. NO, THERE WASN'T 

A SPECIFIC DEFINITION. THIS PERSON WAS SEVERELY BEATEN BEFORE 

HE WAS TAKEN OUT IN THAT SECLUDED AREA AND KILLED, AND THATS 

WHY THAT WAS CODED. 

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od. TURNING —- OH. AGAIN, THE 0% IN THE THIRD FOIL ON THAT PAGE 

4; THATS JUST A HOLDING VARIABLE THERE AGAIN? 

A. YES. 

(2 TURNING TO PAGE 7, THE DEFENDANT’S MOTIVE. CODED TO 

FACILITATE OBTAINING MONEY OR OTHER THINGS OF VALUE FROM -— FOR 

THE DEFENDANT OR ANOTHER. 

A. UH HUH. 

Q. AND 1S, TO PREVENT ARREST, OR RECAPTURE THE DEFENDANT OR 

ANOTHER. 

SAME SOURCE? 

A. SAME SOURCE. 

AND I MIGHT ADD THAT I MIGHT CODE THAT DIFFERENTLY IF I 

WERE CODING IT TODAY. 

a. WITH REGARD TO WHAT? 

Ae WITH REGARD TO PREVENTING THE ARREST OR RECAPTURE OF THE 

DEFENDANT. I THINK INSTEAD I WOULD HAVE CODED IT TO SILENCE A 

WITNESS TO CRIME. I THINK THAT’S, ALTHOUGH I HAVEN‘T READ THE 

FILE RECENTLY, BUT IT SEEMS TO ME THAT'S -—- i EN 

| Qa SO THAT WOULD CONTAIN TWO VARIABLES OF SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT 

NUANCE? 

A. THAT“S CORRECT. 

THE COURT: LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION. 

ON WHAT FACTUAL PREDICATE DID YOU MAKE THAT ASSUMPTION 

ABOUT THE ACTION OR THE REASON FOR THE ACT? I MEAN. THE MONEY 1 

  

  
 



  

  

  

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THE WITNESS: I THINK THAT WOULD FALL UNDER WHAT I 

WOULD CONSIDER REASONABLE INFERENCE TO DRAW FROM A READING OF 

THE FILE. THAT THIS STRANGER COMES INTO TOWN, AND HE INTERACTS 

WITH THESE PEOPLE SO THAT HE COULD EASILY RECOGNIZE WHO THEY 

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13 BEYOND RECOGNITION, THAT THE PURPOSE OF THAT WAS TG CONCEAL : 

14 SOMETHING. 

13 BY MR. FORD: 

16 Qe. WOULD YOU CODE THAT IN A SITUATION WHERE SOMEBODY WAS, JUST 

17 SHOT SOMEBODY IN A HOLDUP. WOULD THAT BE —-— 

13 A. NO», NO. 

1? A. -—- EITHER THEN OR NOW BE YOUR -- 

20 A. NO. BECAUSE THERE’S A TON OF REASONS WHY YOU COULD SHOOT 

21 SOMEONE IN A HOLDUP. YOU COULD HEAR A NOISE AND PANIC, OR 

22 SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO THIS IS NOT A SITUATION LIKE THAT, IT’S 

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2 YOU’RE DEAD, TO THE CASHIER. HOW WOULD YOU CODE THAT? 

3 THE WITNESS: IN THE PROCEDURAL REFORM STUDY, IT’S 

4 POSSIBLE THAT I WOULD, IT“S POSSIBLE THAT I WOULD, DEPENDING ON 

3 THE READING OF THE WHOLE FILE, CODE THAT AS SILENCING A WITNESS 

é TO A CRIME OR PREVENTING ARREST OR RECAPTURE. 

% 7 AND I WOULD EXPLAIN WHY I DID THAT IN THE AMBIGUITY 

8 SECTION. 

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10 Qo. WHEN YOURE CODING THESE FROM THE SUMMARIES AND THE PAROLE 

11 BOARD, DONE BY THE PAROLE BOARD INVESTIGATIVE OFFICER AND 

12 PERHAPS POLICE REPORTS OR WHATEVER OTHER MATERIALS ARE IN THE 

13 FILE. TO SOME EXTENT DO INFERENCES LIKE THIS REFLECT INFERENCES 

14 THAT MAY BE MADE, OR THOSE INDIVIDUALS WHERE THEY WOULD SIMPLY 

13 SAY THIS WAS DONE FOR THIS REASON OR THIS PERSON WAS TAKEN OUT 

16 LATER AFTER THE ROBBERY WAS COMPLETED AND HE WAS UNCONSCIOUS, 

17 AND THEN KILLED, IS THAT =— WHICH -- | 

18 A. IF, IF THE PAROLE BOARD OFFICER HAD DRAWN SUCH AN 

19 INFERENCE, BASED ON HIS READING OF THE POLICE FILE. AND STATED 

20 IN HIS SUMMARY OF THE POLICE FILES THAT THIS GUY WAS TAKEN QUT 

21 BACK TO SILENCE HIM AS A WITNESS TO A CRIME, I WOULD NOT BE ABLE 

22 TO RECOGNIZE THAT THAT WAS AN INFERENCE THAT WAS DRAWN BY THE 

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2 Ge WAS YOUR UNDERSTANDING WITH REGARD TO YOUR INSTRUCTIONS AND 

3 YOUR DUTIES HERE TO CODE THIS ACCORDING TO WHAT YOU THOUGHT 

4 ACTUALLY HAPPENED OR WHAT THE FILE REFLECTED? 

A THERE“S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE PROCEDURAL REFORM STUDY iT 

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14 SPECIAL PRECIPITATING EVENTS. NINE CODES AGAIN, NOT 

15 APPLICABLE. APPARENTLY NONE OF THE EIGHT LISTED THERE, 

16 | POSSIBILITIES APPLIED. 

17 PAGE 8, METHOD OF KILLING CAUSING DEATH. ENTER UP TO 

18 FOUR FOILS. | 

19 A. UH HUH. 

20 @. HERE WE HAVE A "3." GUNSHOT WOUND, BRUISES AND BURNS, 

21 ARSON? 

22 A. RIGHT. 

23 |@. THEN 09 IS A HOLDING VARIABLE. 

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SURE THAT THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE SUMMARY.» AND IN THE 

AMBIGUITIES, IF THERE WAS NOT ENOUGH ROOM TO CODE THIS 

PARTICULAR ONE. 

Gd. DOWN AT THE BOTTOM OF THAT PAGE, THE GUNSHOT WOUND IS WHAT 

ACTUALLY CAUSED THE DEATH. 

IS THAT WRITTEN BY YOU. OR SOMEONE ELSE? 

A. THAT IS WRITTEN BY ME. 

Wo. AT THE TIME? 

As AT THE TIME. YEAH. 

Q. PAGE 9, NUMBER 30, SPECIAL AGGRAVATING AND MITIGATING 

FEATURES OF THE OFFENSE. ENTER UP TO SIX FOILS? 

A. HERE’S AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT YOU WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT. AND 

THIS IS, IN THIS INSTANCE, THERE WERE, THERE ARE EIGHT 

AGGRAVATING CIRCUMSTANCES, AND THERE WASN’T ENOUGH ROCM TO CODE 

THEM IN THE FOILS THAT WAS PROVIDED. SO WHAT I DID IS CREATED A 

COUPLE FOILS DOWN BELOW. AND. LET’S SEE WHAT THEY ARE: 

ATTEMPTED TO CONCEAL OR DISPOSE OF THE BODY, AND CRIME INVOLVING 

AGGRAVATED BATTERY BEFORE THE ACTUAL KILLING, AND BOTH OF THOSE 

ARE EMBODIED IN THE SUMMARY AT THE END. 

THE COURT: I THINK WE ARE TO GATHER FROM THE ENTRY ON 

THE SIDE THAT THOSE NEVER MADE IT INTO THE DATA BASE, HOWEVER. 

THE WITNESS: THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN AN INSTRUCTION GIVEN 

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YOUR HONOR. I THINK THAT’S. WERE STILL WORKING ON THE 

INGREDIENTS. I THINK THAT’S PART OF THE PUDDING. 

BY MR. FORD: 

Q. PAGE 10. NUMBER OF VICTIMS. MOST OF THAT IS NOT 

APPLICABLE TO THIS CASE. APPARENTLY. 

A. OKAY» THIS CODING ILLUSTRATES THE OPERATION OF A RULE THAT 

WE WERE FOLLOWING IN CODING THIS QUESTIONNAIRE WHERE YOU CAN SEE 

THAT THE, AT THE TOP OF PAGE 10, QUESTION NUMBER 31, THE NUMBER 

OF PERSONS KILLED BY THE DEFENDANT. AND THATS ONE PERSON. AND 

THEN THE NUMBER OF VICTIMS KILLED BY OTHER CO-PERPETRATORS. AND 

THATS CODED AS "NONE." 

WELL, IT’S CLEAR FROM THE SUMMARY THAT THE 

CO-PERPETRATOR, KENNETH HARDY, IS THE ONE THAT WAS CONSIDERED AS 

THE ACTUAL TRIGGER MAN. 

OUR RULE WAS IF THERE WERE CO-PERPETRATORS, AND THOSE 

CO-PERPETRATORS PARTICIPATED IN THE VIOLENCE THAT LED TO THE 

DEATH OF THE VICTIM, THEN FOR THE PURPOSES OF CODING OF THE 

QUESTIONNAIRE, WE WOULD CODE THE QUESTIONNAIRE OF THE DEFENDANT 

WHOSE QUESTIONNAIRE WE WERE CODING AS HAVING KILLED THE VICTIM. 

THAT WAS THE RULE THAT PROFESSOR BALDUS ASKED US TO FOLLOW. 

THE COURT: SAID SIMPLY, IF SOMEBODY ELSE WAS THE 

TRIGGER MAN, YOU CODED IT AS THOUGH THE DEFENDANT WAS THE 

TRIGGER MAN. 

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IF THERE WERE TWO PEOPLE IN A HOLDUP, OR ROBBERY. AND 

ONE KILLED THE OTHER, THE VICTIM. THEN ONLY THAT DEFENDANT WOULD 

BE CODED. 

YOU SEE, THE OTHER CODEFENDANT DIDNT PARTICIPATE IN 

PULLING THE TRIGGER OR DOING ANYTHING. IN THIS CASE. THESE 

THREE PEOPLE PLANNED THIS THING, THEY BEAT THE GUY. THEY TOOK 

HIM OUT IN THE WOODS, THEY WERE ALL THERE, AS FAR AS I CAN TELL 

FROM THE SUMMARY, THEY WERE ALL PARTICIPATING IN THESE ACTS THAT 

LED TO THE VICTIM’S DEATH. 

THE COURT: WHAT ABOUT A SITUATION WHERE THREE OR FOUR 

YOUNG PEOPLE DECIDE THEY/RE GOING TO COMMIT AN ARMED ROBBERY AND 

ALL ARE PARTICIPATING IN THE ARMED ROBBERY. DURING THE COURSE OF 

WHICH. ONE SHOOTS SOMEONE ELSE. 

DO YOU CODE THE CO-~PERPETRATOR WHO DIDN’T DO THE 

SHOOTING AS HAVING SHOT? 

THE WITNESS: IT DEPENDS ON THE CIRCUMSTANCES. IF THE 

OTHER GUYS HAD GUNS, AND IT WAS CLEAR FROM THE FILE THAT THEY 

WERE GOING TO KILL THE PERSON, AND ONE GUY HELD THE GUN TO HIM, 

SAID, "COME ON, WERE TAKING YOU IN THE BACK ROOM," AND OTHER GUY 

PULLED THE TRIGGER, I THINK IN THAT CIRCUMSTANCE I WOULD HAVE 

FOLLOWED THIS RULE THAT 1 JUST DESCRIBED. 

IF ON THE OTHER HAND, FOUR PEOPLE JUST BUST IN A STORE 

TO ROB IT AND ONE OF THE FOUR PANICS AND JUST BLOWS HIS GUN OFF 

AND KILLS SOMEBODY. WELL. I WOULDN’T IN THAT CIRCUMSTANCE CODE 

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1 BY MR. FORD: 

2 (m8 IN THIS SITUATION, IT WAS CLEAR THAT THE SUBJECT HERE 

ACTUALLY PHYSICALLY BEAT THIS PERSON, AT LEAST INTO 

UNCONSCIOUSNESS AND PRESUMABLY WAS NOT DETERMINED AT LEAST THAT 

HE WASN“T DEAD BEFORE THEY THEN SHOT HIM AND SET HIM ON FIRE. IS 

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7 ONE PERSON’S GUNSHOT HAD CAUSED DEATH AND THE OTHER DID NOT. IS 

8 THAT RIGHT? 

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10 MS. WESTMORELAND: YOUR HONOR, I BELIEVE THAT’S A VERY 

13 LEADING QUESTION. I ASK COUNSEL NOT TO LEAD HIS WITNESS QUITE 

12 S0 MUCH, PLEASE. 

13 THE COURT: YOU ARE CORRECT. IT IS A LEADING QUESTION. 

14 LET ME MAKE A NOTE OR TWO, AND WE‘LL TAKE A BREAK. 

15 THE WITNESS: MAY I RESTATE THE RULE FOR YOU ONCE? 

16 MR. FORD: WAIT WHILE THE COURT MAKES SOME NOTES. 

17 PLEASE. 

18 THE COURT: GO AHEAD. 

19 THE WITNESS: IF THE CO-PERPETRATORS PARTICIPATED IN 

20 THE VIOLENT ACTS THAT LED TO THE DEATH OF THE VICTIM THEN YOU 

21 WOULD FOLLOW THE RULE THAT IVE DESCRIBED. 

22 THE COURT: AND? 

23 THE WITNESS: AND FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE QUESTIONNAIRE 
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THE COURT: ALL RIGHT. I UNDERSTAND. I“M TRYING TO 

UNDERSTAND THE IMPLICATIONS TO THE PUDDING. 

MR. FORD: WELL. COULD I ASK A COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS ON 

WHICH INGREDIENTS WERE —-— 

BY MR. FORD: 

QQ. WE’RE TALKING ABOUT STUDY 1 NOW WITH REGARD TQ THIS RULE? 

A. THIS IS STUDY 1. 

a. IS THE RULE THE SAME ON STUDY 27? 

A. NC. 

Qa. ILL ASK YOU MORE ABOUT THAT LATER. 

THE COURT: LET’S TAKE ABOUT A TEN-MINUTE BREAK. 

{RECESS TAKEN.) 

EDWARD RAYMOND GATES, 

BEING PREVIOUSLY DULY SWORN, RESUMED THE WITNESS STAND AND 

TESTIFIED FURTHER AS FOLLOWS: 

DIRECT EXAMINATION (CONT’D) 

BY MR. FORD: 

Q. MR. GATES, THE BOTTOM SECTION OF PAGE 10, I BELIEVE, IS 

WHERE WE LEFT OFF. 

SERIES OF VARIABLES WITH REGARD TO THE NUMBER OF 

PERSONS INJURED CR ENDANGERED. IN THIS CASE, APPARENTLY, 

NUMBER 34, QUESTION 234, IS CODED VICTIM’S ONLY PERSON INVOLVED 

IN THE INCIDENT. AND THAT’S FOLLOWED THROUGH, IS THAT RIGHT? 

  
  

  

 



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A. YES. THAT’S THE CORRECT CODING FOR THAT FOIL. 

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2 a. MOVING THEN TO PAGE 11. STATUS OF THE DEFENDANT. 

3 NUMBER OF ALTERNATIVES. AGAIN WHERE WOULD YOU GET THIS 

4 INFORMATION? | 

3 Aa THIS INFORMATION ALSO FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF PARDONS AND 

& PAROLES FILES. THEY KEEP, THEY DO AN INVESTIGATION ON THE 

» 7 DEFENDANT ON HIS PERSONAL HISTORY, AND THAT IS WHERE THIS 

8 INFORMATION COMES FROM. 

? THE COURT: LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION. 

10 I KNOW FROM READING PRESENTENCE REPORTS THAT YOU 

11 OCCASIONALLY GET SOME DEFENDANTS THAT HAVE VIRTUALLY NO WORK 

12 RECORD, BUT MOST EVERYBODY HAS HAD AT LEAST ONE JOB IN THEIR 

13 LIFE, IT MAY HAVE BEEN FOUR MONTHS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 

14 LET ME GIVE YOU A HYPOTHETICAL: 27 YEAR OLD MALE. 

15 HADN’T WORKED IN FIVE YEARS, BUT THE LAST TIME HE WORKED HE WAS 

16 A DITCH DIGGER FOR FOUR MONTHS. 

17 HOW DID YOU, HOW WOULD YOU CLASSIFY SOMEBODY LIKE THAT? 

18 THE WITNESS: WE WOULD CLASSIFY HIM AS AN UNSKILLED 

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21 THE WITNESS: THAT WILL BE REFLECTED SOMEWHERE ELSE IN 

22 THE QUESTIONNAIRE. 

23 BY MR. FORD: 

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1 NUMBER 18. IT’S LISTED UNDER QUESTION 33, DEFINITION THERE IN 

2 PARENTHESES? 

3 A. IM SORRY, COULD YOU REPEAT THE QUESTION? 

4 n J WITH REGARD TO THE DEFINITION OF BLUE COLLAR WORKER, THAT’S 

3S THE DEFINITION YOU FOLLOWED THERE THROUGHOUT THE STUDY. WAS THAT 

é CHANGED IN ANY WAY? 

7 Re NO, THAT'S CORRECT. 

8 Qa. TURNING TO PAGE 12. SERIES OF QUESTIONS. OR FOILS ACROSS FROM 

? QUESTION NUMBER 40, CODED AS 02, 04 AND 03. 

10 WHAT DO THOSE REFLECT -- PERHAPS THAT’S 40 AND 41. I“M 

11 SORRY. ACROSS FROM 40 IS CODED 02. WHAT DOES THAT INDICATE? 

12 A. THAT INDICATES THE NUMBER OF CO-PERPETRATCRS. 

13 Q. CRIMINALLY INVOLVED ALONG WITH THE DEFENDANT? 

14 Ae THATS CORRECT. 

15 Q. AND 41 INDICATES 04 AND 0357   
16 A. 04 INDICATES THAT THE DEFENDANT PARTICIPATED AS A CO-EQUAL 

17 IN THE MURDER. 

18 AND NEXT TO C,» OS, INDICATES THAT THE DEFENDANT 

= 19 PARTICIPATED DIRECTLY AS A CO-EQUAL IN THE CONTEMPORANECUS 

@® 20 CRIME. 

21 Q. G0 WOULD THIS INFORMATION RELATE TO THE PREVIOUS 

22 INFORMATION WITH REGARD TO TRIGGER MAN? 

23 A. YES. I MEAN IT’S CONSISTENT WITH THAT. 

24 THE COURT: AND I PRESUME THAT IF THE SHOT APPEARED TO   
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MIGHT CODE IT DIFFERENTLY THAN IN AN ARMED ROBBERY WHERE SOMEONE 

WAS -- 

THE WITNESS: OH. YES. 

THE COURT: =-— ACCIDENTALLY SHOT. 

THE WITNESS: SURELY. 

BY MR. FORD: 

QA WITH REGARD TO THE WORD "TRIGGER MAN," I NOTICE THAT'S USED 

IN THE QUESTIONNAIRE AND THAT IS ALSO USED IN YOUR SUMMARY IN 

THIS PARTICULAR CASE WHERE YOU REFER TO THE, KENNETH BEING THE 

ACTUAL TRIGGER MAN AND GASOLINE MAN. 

IS THE TRIGGER MAN IN YOUR SUMMARY THERE USED IN 

EXACTLY THE SAME SENSE AS TRIGGER MAN IN THE INSTRUCTIONS BACK 

ON PAGE 10 IN THE PARENTHESES THERE ON THE QUESTION 31 WHERE IT 

SAYS, THE SUBJECT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT JUST BEFORE THE BREAK? 

A. NO, IN MY SUMMARY. BY "TRIGGER MAN“ I MEAN ACTUALLY THE 

PERSON WHO PULLED THE TRIGGER OF A GUN, "TRIGGER MAN" AS USED IF 

QUESTION NUMBER 31, IS TRIGGER MAN IN THE GENERIC SENSE. THAT 

IS, WHO IS THE PERSON THAT’S RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DEATH OF THE 

VICTIM. IT WOULDN’T HAVE TO BE WITH A GUN, IT COULD BE A KNIFE 

OR POISON OR WHATEVER. 

oe 241A, QUESTION 41A REFLECTS SOME INFORMATION REGARDING THE 

TRIAL BEING BEFORE A JURY? 

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MORE ABOUT THE TRIAL WITHIN THOSE POSSIBILITIES THAT I COULD 

HAVE LISTED, THAN THAT THE PENALTY TRIAL WAS BEFORE A JURY. 

a. WHAT DOES THAT FIVE ZEROES THAT’S TYPED IN THERE. THREE 

LINES UP FROM THE BOTTOM. I GUESS. DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT 1S? 

Ae THAT S, THAT’S A SIGNAL FOR THE KEYPUNCHER TO CONTINUE 

FILLING THE CARD AND CODE, FIVE ZEROES IN THAT SPACE ON THE 

COMPUTER CARD IS ALL THAT IS. 

RQ. TURNING TO PAGE 13, MITIGATING CIRCUMSTANCES, A THROUGH H. 

THATS EIGHT POSSIBILITIES LISTED, TWO OF THEM ENTERED HERE? 

A. THAT“S CORRECT. I“VE INDICATED THAT THE DEFENDANT HAD USED 

ALCOHOL IMMEDIATELY PREVIOUS TO THE CRIME AND I INDICATE THAT IT 

HAD A SLIGHT EFFECT. 

a. AGAIN THAT’S TO THE BEST OF YOUR KNOWLEDGE, BASED ON WHAT 

SOURCE OF INFORMATION? 

A. TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE. BASED ON A COMPLETE READING OF | 

THE DEPARTMENT OF PARDONS AND PAROLES FILE. 

Re TURNING THEN TO PAGE, I GUESS IT’S 14, MINE‘S CUT OFF, THE 

NEXT PAGE, QUESTION 43, RELATING TO VICTIM, ENTER UF TO FIVE 

FOILS? 

A. I HAVE FOUR FOILS. 

Q. 1 HAVE FOUR FOILS, TOO. AND AR DIRECTION TO ENTER UP TO 

FIVE FOILS. DO YOU HAVE FIVE FOILS ON YOUR COPY? 

A. NO, I HAVE FOUR. 

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 A. ENTERED THREE. 1 ENTERED THAT THE VICTIM AROUSED THE 

2 DEFENDANTS RAGE PRIOR TO THE KILLING. I ANSWERED THAT THE 

3 VICTIM HAD USED ALCOHOL IMMEDIATELY PREVIOUS TO THE CRIME AND 

4 THAT THE EFFECTS OF THAT ALCOHOL WERE SUBSTANTIAL. 

3 AND THAT WAS AGAIN BASED ON MY BEST UNDERSTANDING FROM 

é READING THE COMPLETE FILE OF THE DEPARTMENT OF PARDONS AND 

7 PARDLES. 

8 THE COURT: PARDON ME JUST A SECOND. WAIT JUST A 

9? SECOND. I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SOME AMPLIFICATION ON WHY YOU 

10 SELECTED AROUSED DEFENDANTS RAGE JUST PRIOR TO THE KILLING. 

11 THE WITNESS: WELL, OUR RULE ON THE PROCEDURAL REFORM 

12 STUDY, WHICH AGAIN IS DIFFERENT FROM THE RULE IN THE CHARGING 

13 AND SENTENCING STUDY. WAS TO CODE ANYTHING IN QUESTION 43, NOW, 

14 THIS IS THE QUESTION. RELATES TO THINGS THAT THE VICTIM COULD 

135 HAVE DONE THAT WOULD IN SOME WAY POSSIBLY BE MITIGATING TO THE 

16 DEFENDANT “S CASE. 

17 AND SO OUR, OUR INFERENCE WAS, WAS WE WOULD BE MORE 

18 LIKELY TO CODE SOMETHING THERE IF THE POSSIBILITY OF IT EXISTED 

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21 BY MR. FORD: 

22 Qe DOES THIS MEAN THAT THE DEFENDANT WAS REASONABLE IN HIS 

23 RACE OR -—— 

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16 BLANK, SAYS OTHER EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES, THAT WOULD BE A 

17 PLACE WHERE YOUR JUDGMENT MIGHT COME IN AS TO WHAT WAS 

18 EXTENUATING AND WHAT WAS NOT. RATHER THAN JUST WHAT HAPPENED?   
19 |A. NO, THAT WAS NOT A CASE OF JUDGMENT. THAT WAS A CASE OF 

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22 | OTHER FOILS THAT WE THOUGHT IN ANY WAY COULD BE CONSTRUED AS 

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19 | MORE THAN ONE VICTIM IN A CASE. WE WOULD ENTER A VARIABLE OR 

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21 | SUPPLEMENTAL SHEET THAT DESCRIBED THE CHARACTERISTICS OF THE 

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Q. IS THAT FREQUENTLY AVAILABLE IN THOSE FILES? 

A. YES, IT WAS. 

QA. NOW. I TAKE IT FROM YOUR TESTIMONY, MR. GATES —— WELL.» WITH 

REGARD TO THIS PARTICULAR QUESTIONNAIRE, I GUESS WE’RE THROUGH 

IT, WAS THERE ANYTHING. HAVING GONE THROUGH IT AGAIN, IS THERE 

ANYTHING PARTICULARLY ABOUT IT THAT SEEMS TO YOU TO BE 

UNREPRESENTATIVE OR REPRESENTATIVE, IN ANY WAY DISTINGUISH IT 

FROM OTHERS IN TERMS OF THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT YOU CODED IN 

AND THE, WHATEVER DIFFICULTIES THERE MAY HAVE BEEN OR WHAT 

FACILITY THERE MAY HAVE BEEN IN FILLING IT OUT? 

Fa NO, I THINK THIS IS FAIRLY REPRESENTATIVE. 

A. AND BASED ON YOUR WORK IN THIS. WAS THERE ANY SYSTEMATIC 

DIFFERENCE BETWEEN GROUPS OF CASES YOU WORKED ON WHERE THE 

CHOICES IN THESE AREAS OR DECISIONS IN THESE AREAS, IN CODING. 

WOULD HAVE BEEN SYSTEMATICALLY DIFFERENT IN ONE GROUP RATHER 

THAN ANOTHER? 

A. NO. NOT AT ALL. 

Q. YOU SAID AT ONE POINT THERE MIGHT BE SOMETHING IN ONE AREA 

WHERE YOU WOULD HAVE CODED A THING, AVOID ARREST, AS A SILENCE 

VICTIM, THAT KIND OF DIFFERENCE, THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE DONE A 

LITTLE DIFFERENTLY. NOW DO YOU THINK IN OTHER QUESTIONNAIRES 

THERE MAY HAVE BEEN THOSE SIMILAR KIND OF DIFFERENCES. OF THE 

NUMBERS OF VARIABLES IN THIS QUESTIONNAIRE? 

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THINGS THAT WE HAVE DISCUSSED EARLIER ARE THE KINDS OF 

JUDGMENTAL ISSUES THAT WOULD ARISE. 

a. WITHIN THE LIMITS OF WHAT YOU COULD DO AND THE DEFINITIONS 

OF THIS STUDY, AND THE MATERIALS AVAILABLE TO YOU. WAS THIS 

REPRESENTATIVE OF THE LEVEL OF PRECISION AND LEVEL OF DETAIL YOU 

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12 PULLED, SO, IT’S DIFFICULT TO SAY. 

13 BUT I THINK THAT THIS FAIRLY REPRESENTS THE CODING. 

15 a. MS. WESTMORELAND WANTS TO BRING OUT ANOTHER FOUR HUNDRED 

15 QUESTIONNAIRES AND CROSS-EXAMINE YOU ABOUT THEM. YOU THINK SHE 

16 MIGHT FIND SOME ERRORS IN AREAS WHERE JUDGMENT MIGHT HAVE BEEN 

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SUPREME COURT AND FINALLY, THE PAROLE BOARD. 

WHEN DID YOU FINISH ALL THAT WORK? 

A. 1 DIDN’T FINISH ALL THE PAROLE BOARD WORK UNTIL THE SUMMER 

OF 1981. 

a. WELL, WAS THERE A POINT WHEN YOUR FIRST TERM: LET’S PUT IT, 

IN GEORGIA, WORKING EXCLUSIVELY ON STUDY NUMBER 1 ENDED? 

A. YES. THAT ENDED ON, ACTUALLY IT ENDED EARLY JANUARY OR 

MID-JANUARY, 1981, 

1 LEFT GEORGIA. STOPPED CODING CASES ON DECEMBER 22. 

AND WENT HOME FOR THE HOLIDAYS. AND PROFESSOR BALDUS HAD OFFERED 

ME THE JOB OF SUPERVISING THE CODERS FOR THE C.S.S. STUDY FOR 

THE SUMMER OF 1981, THAT'S THE CHARGING AND SENTENCING STUDY, 

STUDY NUMBER 2, AND I HAD ACCEPTED THAT OFFER, AND AFTER LEAVING 

GEORGIA. I BEGAN MY WORK ON REVISING THE QUESTIONNAIRE, THE 

PROCEDURAL REFORM QUESTIONNAIRE. 

WHAT 1 DID WAS BASED ON MY EXPERIENCE IN CODING OVER 

TWO HUNDRED QUESTIONS, I WROTE DOWN A LIST OF SUGGESTIONS FOR 

CHANGES IN THAT QUESTIONNAIRE TO MAKE IT A BETTER ONE AND SENT 

THAT TO PROFESSOR BALDUS. 

@. AND WHEN DID YOU DO THAT? 

A. 1 DID THAT IN JANUARY OF 1981. 

@. AND WHERE WERE YOU THEN? 

A. I WAS IN BOSTON THEN. 

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TWO KIND OF BLEND INTO EACH OTHER? 

A. THE TWO BLENDED INTO EACH OTHER. 

@. WHAT. WHEN YOU WERE IN BOSTON. MAKING THOSE REVISIONS, I 

TAKE IT THAT WAS FOR THE LATER STUDY, NUMBER 27? 

A. THAT WAS FOR THE LATER STUDY. 

@. DID YOU DO ANY WORK THAT WAS EXCLUSIVELY DIRECTED AT THE 

FINISHING UP STUDY NUMBER i AT THAT TIME IN BOSTON? 

A. AS 1 RECALL, I, AS I RECALL. I CODED ONE OR TWO CASES THAT 

HAD BEEN MISSED, AND WHAT PROFESSOR BALDUS DID WAS PROVIDE ME 

WITH THE YORK QUESTIONNAIRE AND THE YORK CARDS, AND THE SUPREME 

COURT OPINION AND THAT SORT OF THING, AND HE SENT ME A WHOLE 

PACKET, AND I CODED ONE OR TWO BASED ON THAT. 

Q. THEN HOW LONG DID YOU CONTINUE TO DO THIS WORK IN BOSTON? 

A. 1 WORKED ON REVISING THE QUESTIONNAIRE MAYBE SIXTY OR 

EIGHTY HOURS WORTH WHILE I WAS IN BOSTON. I WAS JUST DOING IT 

PARTTIME. 

AND THEN PROFESSOR BALDUS REQUESTED THAT I COME TO IOWA 

AND DO SOME WORK WITH HIM THERE. 

Q. WHEN DID YOU DO THAT? 

A. I WENT TO IOWA IN EARLY MARCH OF 1981. y 

Q. AND WHAT DID YOU DO WHEN YOU WENT TO IOWA? 

A. I HAD SEVERAL RESPONSIBILITIES THAT, FIRST THING THAT WE 

STARTED WITH WAS REVISING THE QUESTIONNAIRE AND PREPARING THE 

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AND BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT PROFESSOR BALDUS GAVE ME AND 

BASED ON MY EXPERIENCE WITH WHAT INFORMATION WAS IN THE FILES IN 

GEORGIA. I STARTED WRITING DRAFTS OF THE QUESTIONNAIRE AND THIS 

PROCESS WENT ON OVER A PERIOD OF SEVEN WEEKS. WHERE I WOULD 

WRITE A DRAFT AND SUBMIT IT TO DAVE, AND THEN HE WOULD GET BACK 

TO ME IN COMMENTS AND THEN I WOULD WRITE SOME MORE. 

Q. AND WHAT OTHER FUNCTIONS DID YOU HAVE WHILE YOU WERE THERE 

IN IOWA WITH PROFESSOR BALDUS AT THAT POINT? 

A. I ALSO ASSISTED PROFESSOR BALDUS IN HIRING THE CODERS FOR 

THE SUMMER STUDY. 

Re WHAT DID YOU DO IN THAT REGARD? 

Ae THE FIRST THING I DID WAS ORGANIZE THE RESUMES OR THE 

RESPONSES THAT CAME INTO US. AND I CALLED SOME OF THE CODERS, OR 

THE APPLICANTS, AND I BELIEVE THAT PROFESSOR BALDUS CALLED SOME 

OF THE OTHERS, AND AFTER A BRIEF CONVERSATION DESCRIBING TO THEM 

THE, IN DETAIL THE NATURE OF THE JOB, THEN AFTER THAT. WE 

RECEIVED RESUMES FROM ALL THESE PEOPLE. AND THEN I ORGANIZED 

THE RESUMES. JUST BASED ON A READING OF THOSE. AND GAVE THEM TO 

PROFESSOR BALDUS, AND THEN HE AMENDED MY HIERARCHY THAT I 

CREATED. 

AND THEN 1 CALLED REFERENCES ON ALL THE PEOPLE, AND 

DESCRIBED TO THOSE, THE REFERENCES THAT I SPOKE WITH, DETAILS OF 

THE JOB, AND THE CRITERIA THAT PROFESSOR BALDUS WAS PARTICULARLY 

INTERESTED IN, AND ASKED QUESTIONS ABOUT THE. THE APPLICANTS AND 

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PROCESS? 

Ae FIVE PEOPLE WERE HIRED THROUGH THAT PROCESS. 

Q. AND DID YOU COME TO KNOW THEM YOURSELF? 

as YES, I DID. 

a. WHO WERE THEY? 

A. THEY WERE JOHN GRENNO, MATTHEW ESTES, ORI CORB. MARTHA 

MCGILL. AND LEANNE DIGRACIA. 

Q. ABOUT HOW OLD WERE THEY? 

A. THEY WERE BETWEEN 22 AND 24 YEARS OLD. AND THEY WERE ALL 

SECOND YEAR LAW STUDENTS. 

Q. DID YOU, I TAKE IT YOU CAME TO WORK WITH THEM OVER THE NEXT 

SEVERAL MONTHS. IS THAT RIGHT? 

A. YES, THAT’S CORRECT. 

Gl. ABOUT HOW MUCH TIME DID YOU SPEND WITH THEM? 

A. OH. I WAS WITH THEM NINE OR TEN HOURS A DAY, FOR TWELVE 

WEEKS. 

A. HAVE YOU KNOWN A FEW OTHER SECOND YEAR LAW STUDENTS IN YOUR 

TIME? 

A. YES. 

Q. HAVING JUST BEEN ONE? 

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TEAM. WHICH WAS VERY IMPORTANT TO THIS RESEARCH EFFORT. BECAUSE 

IT REQUIRED GETTING ALONG WITH ONE ANOTHER IN CLOSE QUARTERS. 

COMMUNICATING WITH ONE ANOTHER A LOT ABOUT WHAT WE WERE DOING. 

AND JUST GENERALLY WORKING LONG HARD HOURS ON TEDIOUS WORK AND 

DOING A GOOD JOB. : 

@. WERE THEY, THE QUALITIES YOU FOUND IN THEM CONSISTENT WITH 

YOUR EXPECTATIONS BASED ON YOUR RESUMES AND THE CALLS YOU MADE 

'T0 THEIR REFERENCES AT THE TIME YOU ADVISED PROFESSOR BALDUS ON 

HIRING THEM? 

A. YES. ABSOLUTELY. 

Q. NOW, YOU INDICATED THAT YOU ASSISTED PROFESSOR BALDUS IN 

PREPARING AND REVISING QUESTIONNAIRE. DID YOU ASSIST HIM WITH 

REGARD TO ANY OTHER DOCUMENT PREPARATION AT THAT TIME? 

A. YES. I WAS, I ASSISTED PROFESSOR BALDUS WITH PREPARING ALL 

THE LISTS OF THE CASES. OF THINGS THAT WE WOULD BE DOING IN 

GEORGIA. 

I HAD AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF ADMINISTRATIVE 

RESFONSIBILITIES THAT ESPECIALLY REQUIRES A GENERATION OF LISTS 

OF THINGS, 

Q. WHEN YOU SAY YOU ASSISTED HIM WITH PREPARING A LIST OF 

CASES TO BE STUDIED. IS THAT RIGHT. THE STUDY SAMPLE? 

A. THATS PARTIALLY CORRECT. 

SPECIFICALLY. THE KIND OF THINGS THAT I WOULD DO IS 

PROCESS MATERIAL AS IT CAME IN FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF 

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@. THAT ASPECT OF YOUR WORK WAS A MECHANICAL OR DECISION 

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12 EG-4, HEADED "INSTRUCTIONS FOR CODING GEORGIA PAROLE 

13 QUESTIONNAIRE, PAROLE BOARD QUESTIONNAIRE, —- MAY 1981, BY EDWARD 

14 GATES AND DAVID BALDUS." DO YOU FIND THAT DOCUMENT THERE? 

15 A. YES. I DO. 

146 (FS AND DO YOU RECOGNIZE WHAT THAT IS? 

17 A. YES, THAT’S THE FINAL DRAFT OF THE INSTRUCTIONS THAT 

18 PROFESSOR BALDUS AND I PREPARED PRIOR TO THE CODERS ARRIVING IN 

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20 Q. AND THATS THE DOCUMENT YOU WERE JUST SAYING YQU 

21 PARTICIPATED IN THE WRITING OF? 

22 A. THAT’S RIGHT, THIS OCCURRED THE SAME WAY I WAS WRITING THE 

23 QUESTIONNAIRE. I WOULD WRITE AN EXTENDED SET OF INSTRUCTIONS 

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3 PREPARED? 

4 A. YES. IN THE SAME WAY THAT CATHY CHRISTIAN AND I WERE, WERE 

>’ SENT CASES TO PRE-CODE, THESE CODERS WERE SENT CASES ALONG WITH 

é THIS SET OF INSTRUCTIONS BEFORE THEY WENT TO GEORGIA. 

» 7 a. WHEN WAS THAT. WHAT MONTH AND YEAR? 

3 Fe THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN IN LATE APRIL. NO, EARLY MAY OF 1981. 

? a. AND DOES THIS APPEAR TO BE AN ORIGINAL OR COPY OF THAT 

10 DOCUMENT THAT WAS SENT TO THOSE INDIVIDUALS. 

11 A. THIS APPEARS TO BE A COFY. 

12 Ql. AND DOES IT APPEAR TO BE A TRUE AND CORRECT COPY. TO THE 

13 BEST OF YOUR RECOLLECTION? 

14 A. YES. IT IS. 

135 FS DID YOU PERSONALLY SEE THIS COPY OR THE ORIGINAL OF THIS 

16 DOCUMENT OR SOME OTHER ACCURATE COPY OF THIS DOCUMENT IN THE 

17 POSSESSION OF THE OTHER INDIVIDUALS WHO WERE CODING, WHO WERE 

18 LATER TO CODE OR WHEN THEY WERE CODING THE STUDY NUMBER 27 

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20 GOT TO GEORGIA TO MAKE SURE IF THEY HAD FORGOTTEN THEIR COPY OR 

YES, I HAD FIFTEEN OR TWENTY COPIES OF THESE WITH ME WHEN I 

21 JUST IN CASE WE NEEDED MORE. AND I SAW A COPY OF THIS SET OF 

22 INSTRUCTIONS IN THE HANDS OF EACH ONE OF THE CODERS IN GEORGIA. 

23 MR. FORD: I OFFER EG-4. YOUR HONOR. 

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3 OFFERED THAT I THOUGHT WERE DATED MAY, 1981, IN THE FORM OF 

4 DB-43, I BELIEVE. I DIDN’T KNOW IF THESE WERE THE SAME OR 

95 DIFFERENT. IF IT’S A DIFFERENT DOCUMENT. I HAVE NO OBJECTION. 

é IF IT’S THE SAME DOCUMENT, I THINK IT WOULD BE CUMULATIVE. 

EC 7 MR. FORD: IT IS A DIFFERENT DOCUMENT. IF THE COURT 

8 WANTS ME TO CLARIFY THE MATTER NOW, I“M PERFECTLY WILLING TO DO 

9 s0. I DON’T MEAN TO LEAVE ANYBODY IN SUSPENSE. 

10 THE COURT: IT APPEARS TO BE A DIFFERENT DOCUMENT. 

11 ILL ADMIT IT. 

12 MR. FORD: THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR. 

13 BY MR. FORD: 

14 Wo. MR. GATES, JUST SO WE CAN KEEP THINGS CLEAR, CAN YOU TURN 

135 TO THE DOCUMENT IN YOUR FILES THAT ARE IN YOUR NOTEBOOK. 

146 NUMBERED EG NUMBER 357 

17 Ae YES. 

13 Gl. DO YOU RECOGNIZE WHAT THAT IS? IT ALSO. IT IS HEADED 

® 19 "INSTRUCTIONS FOR CODING OF GEORGIA PAROLE BOARD QUESTIONNAIRE 

20 DASH, MAY 1981," BUT DOES NOT HAVE THE BY EDWARD GATES AND DAVID 

21 BALDUS IN THE NEXT LINE? 

22 Ae. YES. THAT, THAT IS THE FINAL EMBODIMENT OF THE RULES THAT 

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FOUNDATION ON THAT OR DOES COUNSEL —— 

THE COURT: IF IT’S IN EVIDENCE, IT’S IN EVIDENCE, AND 

WE WILL REFER TO IT BY THE NUMBER UNDER WHICH IT WAS ADMITTED, 

WHICH IS DB-43, WHICH IS WHAT IT APPEARS TO BE. 

BY MR. FORD: 

@. CAN YOU CHECK DB-43, JUST SO WE KEEP THE RECORD ABSOLUTELY 

CLEAR, MR. GATES? : 

A. YES, THAT’S THE SAME DOCUMENT. 

G. AND CAN YOU DESCRIBE WHAT DB-43 IS. AND JUST VERY GENERALLY 

HOW IT DIFFERS. IF AT ALL, FROM EG NUMBER 4, TWO DIFFERENT SETS 

OF INSTRUCTIONS? 

A. YES. EG-4 IS THE SET OF INSTRUCTIONS THAT PROFESSOR BALDUS 

AND 1 COMPLETED BEFORE GOING TO GEORGIA. ONCE IN GEORGIA. AND 

ONCE THE TRAINING OF THE CODERS HAD BEGUN. IN THE EXTENSIVE 

DISCUSSIONS THAT WE HAD ABOUT CODING, DIFFERENT ISSUES AROSE 

THAT SEEMED TO BE UNCLEAR THAT, IN THE CODERS MINDS ABOUT CODING 

THE DIFFERENT QUESTIONS. 

IN SUCH CASE. WE WOULD ARTICULATE THE RULE FOR THE 

CODERS, AND WHAT THEY HAD WAS THE ORIGINAL SET OF INSTRUCTIONS, 

PLUS A QUESTIONNAIRE WITH THEM. THAT THEY CALLED THEIR WORKING 

MASTER. | | 

WHENEVER WE IN ANY WAY ADDED TO THE RULES IDENTIFIED BY 

EG-4, THEY WOULD EITHER WRITE ON THAT DOCUMENT, EG-4, THE 

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| IN THAT AS KATHY CHRISTIAN AND I DID EARLIER, I CALLED PROFESSOR 

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21 Qe AND WILL REFER TO EG-4 AS THE ORIGINAL SET OF INSTRUCTIONS. 

22 ARE THOSE FAIR LABELS? 

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A. TO MY KNOWLEDGE. IT WAS WRITTEN IN THE FALL OF, OF 19381. 

Qe. HOW WAS THAT DONE? 

A. WELL. IT WAS DONE AFTER, I BELIEVE IT WAS THE LAST WEEK IN 

JUNE, WE DECIDED THAT THERE WOULD BE NO MORE AMENDMENTS TO THE 

RULES OF THE QUESTIONNAIRES. BECAUSE WHAT WE WERE DOING. WHEN, 

WHEN THERE WAS AN AMENDMENT THAT MIGHT AFFECT THE PRIOR CODING 

| OF A QUESTIONNAIRE, THEN WE HAD TO GO BACK AND GO THROUGH ALL 

THE QUESTIONNAIRES, AND RECODE A VARIABLE THAT MAY HAVE BEEN 

AFFECTED BY THE AMENDMENT TO THE RULE. 

AND SO WE SET THE LAST WEEK IN JUNE AS THE LAST DAY FOR 

AMENDING THE INSTRUCTIONS TO THE TIME QUESTIONNAIRE. 

WHAT I DID AFTER THAT IS COLLECT EVERYBODY”S MASTER 

COPY, AND TAKE THE NOTES THAT I HAD FROM MY TELEPHONE 

CONVERSATIONS WITH PROFESSOR BALDUS, AND I WROTE A NEW SET OF 

INSTRUCTIONS THAT INCLUDED ALL OF THESE AMENDMENTS. ESSENTIALLY 

I JUST CUT AND PASTED AND FILLED IN THE EXTRA ONES. 

THEN I HELD ONTO THOSE. AND TOWARDS THE END OF THE 

| SUMMER 1 PASSED THOSE PAPERS AROUND TO ALL OF THE CODERS AND 

ASKED THEM TO COMMENT ON WHETHER OR NOT THAT, THOSE INSTRUCTIONS 

EMBODIED THE RULES THAT THEY HAD FOLLOWED THROUGHOUT THE SUMMER. 

AND I ASKED THEM TO ADD ANY RULES THAT THEY FELT WERE NOT CLEAR 

OR WOULD BE HELPFUL TO SOMEONE TRYING TO INTERPRET THE 

QUESTIONNAIRE LATER ON. 

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2 ALL AGAIN SO EACH CODER SAW THE OTHER ONE’S COMMENTS, WE HAD, WE 

3 HAD A SET OF PAPERS THAT EMBODIED THE SET OF RULES THAT ALL THE 

CODERS FOLLOWED FOR THE WHOLE SUMMER. 

I HAD A TYPIST TYPE THOSE UP AND I SENT THEM TO 

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12 CONFORMED TO THE CHANGES THAT WE HAD MADE. IT WAS SUBSTANTIALLY 

13 THE SAME AS WHAT WE SENT. 

14 Qe AND IN ADDITION TO BEING WRITTEN DOWN. ON EACH QUESTIONNAIRE, 

1S | THE MASTER COPIES AND ON YOUR NOTES FROM TALKING TO PROFESSOR 

146 BALDUS. WERE THOSE AMENDMENTS OR DIFFERENCES THAT ARE REFLECTED 

17 IN THE SUPPLEMENTED INSTRUCTIONS, WERE THOSE ALSO DISCUSSED WITH 

13 EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THE CODERS AT SOME POINT OR DURING THE 

- 19 COURSE OF THE CODING PROCESS? 

20 IN OTHER WORDS, WAS THE —-- 

21 A. THE ONLY, THE ONLY CHANGES OR ALL THE AMENDMENTS TO THE 

22 INSTRUCTIONS WERE DISCUSSED WITH THE CODERS BEFORE BEING SENT 

<3 OFF TO PROFESSOR BALDUS. AND IT WAS ALL TYPED UP. 

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RULES. I REVIEWED THAT, AND NONE OF THE CODERS EVER SAW THIS 

STRUCTURAL REORGAMIZATION OF WHAT THEY DID. 

Q. BUT WHEN YOU DESCRIBED STUDY NUMBER 1 BETWEEN YOURSELF AND 

MISS CHRISTIAN, YOU DESCRIBED A PROCESS OF DISCUSSING 

AMBIGUITIES. OR CLARIFICATIONS OR PERHAPS CHANGES. 

HERE YOU’VE DISCUSSED A PROCESS OF WRITING THEM DOWN. 

JUST TO MAKE IT CLEAR, WAS THERE ALSO DISCUSSION WITH 

EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THE CODERS OF THOSE CLARIFICATIONS AS THEY 

WERE MADE? 

A. OH. YES. THAT WAS JUST, THAT WAS ON A DAILY BASIS. 

THE CODERS WERE ALWAYS THERE. I CALLED PROFESSOR 

BALDUS ROUTINELY BETWEEN FOUR AND FIVE O“CLOCK, AND AS SOON AS I 

WAS DONE WITH THE CONVERSATION, THEY WERE EAGER, THEY HAD THE 

QUESTIONNAIRES RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEM THEY WANTED TO MAKE ANY 

CHANGES NECESSARY OR COMPLETE THEM BASED ON THE WAY THAT 

PROFESSOR BALDUS RESOLVED WHATEVER PROBLEMS THAT WE HAD. 

Qe NOW, WAS YOUR FOLE, WE‘RE JUMPING AHEAD A LITTLE BIT. BUT 

PERHAPS TO CLARIFY THIS PARTICULAR MATTER, WAS YOUR ROLE IN THE 

CODING PROCESS IN STUDY NUMBER 2, WERE YOU A CODER OR DID YOU 

HAVE A DIFFERENT JOB? 

A. NO, I WAS NOT A CODER IN STUDY NUMBER 2. MY PRIMARY 

RESPONSIBILITY WAS TO SUPERVISE THE COLLECTION OF THE DATA, AND 

DO WHATEVER I COULD TO INSURE THAT THE CODING WAS CONSISTENT 

BETWEEN THE CODER AND CONSISTENT WITH THE INSTRUCTIONS. 

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WHO WERE DOING THE ACTUAL CODING? 

A. YES, EXTENSIVELY. THAT CONSUMED AT LEAST FIFTY HOURS A 

WEEK OF MY TIME WHILE I WAS IN GEORGIA. 

QR. WILL YOU DESCRIBE TO THE COURT HOW MANY OF THOSE 

QUESTIONNAIRES YOU ACTUALLY READ YOURSELF? 

A. YES. 

YOUR HONOR. FOR THE FIRST ONE HUNDRED CASES THAT THE 

CODERS CODED, 1 READ THE FULL FILE AT THE DEPARTMENT OF PARDONS 

AND PAROLES AND THEN REVIEWED THEIR CODING, BASED ON MY REVIEW 

OF THE FILE. 

AND THEN WHERE I FELT THERE WERE PROBLEMS WITH THE 

CODING. I WOULD DISCUSS THOSE WITH. WITH EACH INDIVIDUAL CODER. 

AND DISCUSS ANY MAJOR PROBLEMS OR INCONSISTENCIES, OR THINGS 

THAT WOULD ILLUSTRATE A GOOD WAY TO CODE OR THE RIGHT WAY TO 

CODE A QUESTIONNAIRE WITH THE GROUP. 

AS PROFESSOR BALDUS DESCRIBED THE SITUATION WAS SET UP 

LIKE THIS COURTROOM, WHERE THERE WAS A LARGE DESK LIKE THIS 

WHERE ALL THE CODERS SAT AT.» AND I SAT RIGHT DOWN BELOW. SO I 

WAS REVIEWING FILES ALL THE TIME AND CONTINUALLY HAVING 

CONVERSATIONS WITH EACH OF THE CODERS ABOUT THEIR CODING AND 

THEN BRINGING UP THE, IF SOMEONE MADE A SLOPPY ERROR OR 

SOMETHING LIKE THAT, OR THEY DIDN-T RECORD SOMEONE’S AGE 

PROPERLY. THAT’S NOT THE SORT OF THING I WOULD INSIST ON 

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DISTINGUISH IN TIME JUST TO GET AN IDEA HOW MANY QUESTIONNAIRES 

YOU READ. 

YOU CHECKED ALL THE FIRST HUNDRED AGAINST THE PAROLE 

BOARD FILE ITSELF, IS THAT RIGHT? 

A. THAT’S CORRECT. 

Q. DID YOU CHECK ANY AFTER THE FIRST HUNDRED? 

A. YES. THEN FOR A WEEK AND A HALF AFTER THAT, BY THAT TIME, 

THE CODING WAS DEVELOPING A REAL SENSE OF CONSISTENCY. AND FOR 

A WEEK AND A HALF OR SO. AFTER THAT, I REVIEWED TWO FILES A DAY 

OF EACH CODER. 

NOW THE PROCEDURE FOR ME REVIEWING —- 

a. EXCUSE ME MR. GATES, CAN YOU EXPLAIN ABOUT HOW MANY CASES 

WOULD BE DONE BY EACH CODER EACH DAY? ABOUT HOW MANY FILES? 

A. DURING THAT PERIOD IT WAS BETWEEN TWO AND FOUR, DEPENDING 

ON THE COMPLEXITY OF THE CASE. 

@. THANK YOU. SORRY. 

A. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE CLEAR THAT THE PROCEDURE THAT I 

FOLLOWED FOR REVIEWING THESE FILES WAS DEVELOPED BY PROFESSOR 

WOODWORTH. AND WHAT HE INSTRUCTED ME TO DO WAS TO CHECK OVER A 

CODER’S FILE. THIS IS AFTER THE TIME WHEN I THOUGHT THEY WERE 

CODING CONSISTENTLY. AND IF I FOUND ONE SUBSTANTIVE ERROR IN   
THE CODING OF THEIR CASE, THEN THAT CODER WAS REQUIRED AT THE 

END OF THE DAY TO GO BACK AND REVIEW ALL THE CASES THEY HAD 

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4 THAT TIME, AND THEN DID THAT CONTINUE ALL THE WAY THROUGH. OR 

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& Ae. THEN, THEN FOR THE REST OF THE SUMMER OR FOR MOST OF THE 

% / j REST OF THE SUMMER, 1 REVIEWED ONE CASE A DAY FOR EACH CODER. 

8 AND ON DIFFERENT DAYS. I FOCUSED ON DIFFERENT THINGS. AND I 

9 WOULD PRETTY MUCH ALTERNATE. 

10 ON HALF THE DAYS, I WOULD REVIEW THE WHOLE PAROLE BOARD 

11 FILE, AND THEN REVIEW THEIR CODING BASED ON MY UNDERSTANDING OF 

12 THE FILE. AND THE EMPHASIS THERE WAS NOT ONLY HOW WELL THEY DID, | HOW 

13 WILL WERE THEY CODING IN TERMS OF BEING CONSISTENT WITH THE 

14 INSTRUCTIONS AND 30 FORTH. BUT ALSO I WAS BEING CRITICAL OF WERE 

15 THEY READING THE FILES, WERE THEY EXTRACTING THE INFORMATION 

16 THEY WERE SUPPOSED BE TO BE EXTRACTING FROM THE FILES. 

17 ON THE ALTERNATIVE DAYS, I WOULD ONLY READ THEIR 

18 SUMMARY, AND THEN I WOULD DO WHAT I CALLED AN INTERNAL 

= 19 CONSISTENCY CHECK, AND I WOULD SEE IF THE CODING OF THE 

20 VARIABLES IN THE FILE CONFORMED TO THE SUMMARY OF THE CASE. 

21 Ge. AND WHEN YOU MADE THOSE REVIEWS AND YOU MADE THE 

22 DETERMINATIONS OF THEY DID CONFORM OR WERE CONSISTENT WITH THE 

23 PAROLE BOARD, WERE THESE INSTRUCTIONS OR THE, THE RULES 

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a. AT THAT TIME? 

A. YES, THAT’S CORRECT. 

Q. DID YOU DO ANYTHING ELSE IN REVIEWING THE ACTUAL WORK AND 

ACTUAL FILLING OUT OF THE QUESTIONNAIRES BY THE INDIVIDUAL 

CODERS OTHER THAN THESE ALTERNATE CHECKINGS OF EXTERNAL, 

INTERNAL. DAY BY DAY THROUGH THE REST OF THE SUMMER? 

A. YES. 

TWO TIMES DURING THE SUMMER, I DID SPOT CHECKS, THAT 

IS, WITHOUT TELLING THE CODERS, 1 MADE SURE OVER THE COURSE OF 

TWO DAYS. EACH ONE OF THEM GOT THE SAME FILE. SO THAT WE JUMPED 

AHEAD OF THE TRAINING PERIOD, BUT ESSENTIALLY I DID WHAT WE DID 

DURING THE TRAINING PERIOD WHEN PROFESSOR BALDUS WAS THERE. AND 

THAT IS, TO HAVE EACH CODER CODE THE SAME FILE. AND THEN I WOULD 

READ THE FILE AND THEN I WOULD COMPARE THE CODING OF THE CODERS. 

AND AFTER THAT, WE WOULD HAVE A DISCUSSION THAT WOULD LAST FOUR 

OR FIVE HOURS WHERE WE WOULD GO QUESTION BY QUESTION THROUGHOUT 

THE QUESTIONNAIRE TO DISCUSS THE CODING OF EVERY VARIABLE. AND 

THE PURPOSE WAS TWOFOLD. ONE WAS AS A MATTER OF CENERAL REVIEW 

OF THE INSTRUCTIONS, BECAUSE WE FELT THAT AFTER A MONTH OR SO OF 

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THE INSTRUCTIONS SO WE WANTED TO REFRESH, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE 

THAT THOSE INSTRUCTIONS EMBODIED IN THE SUPPLEMENTAL CODING 

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A. YEAH, THERE WERE SOME. 

Q. WHAT, IN TERMS OF PERCENTAGE, NUMBERS. CAN YOU RECALL? 

A. YEAH. THEY’RE IN THE FIRST INCONSISTENCY CHECK, I MEAN THE 

SPOT CHECK THAT I DID, THERE WERE ABOUT 40 INCONSISTENCIES. AND 

IN THE SECOND ONE, THERE WERE ABOUT SIXTY. 

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11 Q. S0 THAT'S OUT OF THREE THOUSAND PLUS? 

12 A. THREE THOUSAND POSSIBILITIES, AND THERE WERE ONLY ABOUT 

13 FORTY PLACES WHERE THERE WERE INCONSISTENCIES. 

14 Q. AND WERE THESE MAJOR THINGS LIKE RACE OF THE VICTIM OR 

15 WHETHER THE DEFENDANT WAS A TRIGGER MAN OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? 

146 A. NO. THEY WERE, THEY WERE MOSTLY SLOPPY ERRORS LIKE SOMEONE 

17 RECORDED THE AGE OF THE DEFENDANT WRONG. YOU KNOW. IT WAS 27 

13 YEARS INSTEAD OF 30 YEARS: OR WITH RESPECT TO THE OCCUPATIONAL 

® 19 SKILL OF THE DEFENDANT, PEOPLE IN THIS, THIS OCCURRED NOT 

20 INFREQUENTLY, HAD TROUBLE DISTINGUISHING BETWEEN WHAT WAS 

21 | UNSKILLED AND WHAT WAS SKILLED LABOR, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 

22 @. IN TERMS OF YOUR DAILY CHECKS, INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL. 

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A. MORE OFTEN THAN NOT I WOULD, LET ME RESTATE THAT. 

AS I RECALL, IT WAS ABOUT FIFTY PERCENT OF THE TIME I 

WOULD FIND ONE, WHAT I CONSIDERED SUBSTANTIAL ERROR. 

Re AND WHAT WOULD YOU CONSIDER SUBSTANTIAL? SAME KIND OF 

THING YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT. AGE OF THE DEFENDANT OR THAT KIND 

OF THING? 

A. I KNEW THAT THE STUDY WAS FOCUSING ON. YOU KNOW, IMPORTANT 

FACTORS, AGGRAVATING FACTORS, MITIGATING FACTORS, AND I WOULD 

CONSIDER IT IMPORTANT IF A CODER. IF THERE WERE SEVERAL 

AGGRAVATING FEATURES OF THE CRIME AND THE CODER NEGLECTED TO 

CODE ONE OF THOSE. 

Gl. NEGLECTED TO CODE EVEN ONE? 

A. EVEN ONE. I MEAN EVEN IF THERE WERE EIGHT AGGRAVATING 

FEATURES, AND THE CODER DIDN‘T CODE ONE OF THEM. THAT WAS ENOUGH 

TO MAKE THE CODER GO BACK AND CHECK EVERY SINGLE CASE THEY CODED 

THAT DAY. 

Re REGARDING THESE KINDS OF ERRORS, WITHOUT JUMPING TOO FAR 

AHEAD ON THESE INSTRUCTIONS, IS THERE SOMEWHAT MORE PRECISION, 

IS IT FAIR TO SAY SOMEWHAT MORE PRECISION IN THE INSTRUCTIONS 

AND DEFINITIONS OF THESE FACTORS AND VARIABLES IN STUDY NUMBER 1 

RATHER THAN IN STUDY NUMBER 27 

A. THE STUDY NUMBER 2 IS MUCH MORE PRECISE, MUCH MORE 

WELL-DEFINED AND THE RUESTIONNAIRE IS MUCH BETTER DESIGNED THE 

CAPTURE ALL THE INFORMATION THAT“S IN THE FILES. 

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CHECKING THE CODING. 

ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS: I WOULD FIND NO INCONSISTENCIES 

OR PROBLEMS IN ANY OF THE CASES OF ANY OF THE CODERS FOR THAT 

DAY. WHEN THAT OCCURRED I DID NOT CHECK THEIR FILES THE NEXT 

DAY. 

Q. DO YOU REMEMBER HOW MANY? 

A. 1 DON’T RECALL OFFHAND., BUT THERE WERE PROBABLY FIVE OR SIX 

DAYS WHEN NOBODY MADE A SINGLE ERROR. 

Ge FOUR QUESTIONNAIRES A DAY UP TO THAT POINT BY SIX PEOPLE IS 

24 QUESTIONNAIRES. 

A WE CAUGHT IT ON THE AVERAGE OF TWENTY. 

Qe. TWENTY PER DAY, SOMEWHERE AROUND FIVE HUNDRED VARIABLES. 

OVER TEN THOUSAND VARIABLES. NOT A SINGLE ERROR? 

A. NOT A SINGLE SUBSTANTIAL ERROR. THERE WERE SLOPPY ERRORS. 

LIKE THE AGE: THAT KIND OF THING. 

Qe. NOTHING THAT WOULD HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE STUDY? 

A. NO. 

a. AN THAT’S ERRORS AS DEFINED BY THESE INSTRUCTIONS. DB 

NUMBER 437? 

Ae THAT'S CORRECT. 

MR. FORD: YOUR HONOR, AT THIS TIME I WOULD OFFER DB 

NUMBER 43, WHICH I UNDERSTAND WAS ADMITTED FOR A LIMITED PURPOSE 

PREVIOUSLY INTO EVIDENCE FOR THE PURPOSE OF ACCURATELY 

REFLECTING THE INSTRUCTIONS THAT WERE COMMUNICATED ORALLY AND IN 

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EXTENT THATS BEEN TESTIFIED TO BY MR. GATES THROUGHOUT THE 

SUMMER, CONSISTENTLY, IN STUDY NUMBER 1 -- NUMBER 2, THE GEORGIA 

CHARGING AND SENTENCING STUDY. 

MS. WESTMORELAND: YOUR HONOR, I BELIEVE THE ORIGINAL 

LIMITATION WAS THE FACT THAT THIS DOCUMENT WAS MADE UP AT THE 

COMPLETION OF THE CODING OF THESE QUESTIONNAIRES AND AS SUCH, 

THIS DOCUMENT COULD NOT HAVE BEEN PRESENTED TO THE INDIVIDUAL 

PEOPLE CODING THE QUESTIONNAIRES. I BELIEVE THAT WAS THE 

LIMITATION MADE, AND IT WAS ADMITTED SUBJECT TO THE PROVISION 

THAT THESE WERE THE RULES THAT PROFESSOR BALDUS THOUGHT THEY HAD 

BEEN PRESENTED WITH OVER THE SUMMER. AND I THINK THAT 

LIMITATION SHOULD STILL APPLY TO SOME EXTENT IN THAT THIS 

DOCUMENT WAS NEVER PRESENTED TO THE CODERS AS SUCH. 

TO THE EXTENT THAT PERHAPS THE WITNESS COULD TESTIFY AS 

TO WHAT PARTS OF IT MAY HAVE BEEN PRESENTED AT VARIOUS STAGES. 

THEN IT MIGHT BE MORE RELEVANT, I WOULD SUPPOSE. BUT I WOULD 

STILL LIKE SOME LIMITATION OR FURTHER EXPLANATION ON THE 

DOCUMENT BEFORE THE LIMITATION IS REMOVED FROM THE ADMISSIBILITY 

OF THE DOCUMENT. 

MR. FORD: YOUR HONOR. I THINK THERE IS DIRECT 

TESTIMONIAL INFORMATION BASED ON PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE TO THE 

COURT AS TO THE CONTENTS OF THIS DOCUMENT THROUGHOUT WERE 

COMMUNICATED TO THESE INDIVIDUALS AND FOLLOWED BY THEM, BASED ON 

THE PERSONAL OBSERVATIONS OF THIS WITNESS. I DON’T BELIEVE 

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2 A DOCUMENT THAT REFLECTS WHAT WAS TOLD THEM, WHAT WAS WRITTEN 

3 DOWN AND GIVEN THEM DURING THIS SUMMER IN DIFFERENT STAGES. AND 

4 WHAT WAS FOLLOWED BY THEM, ACCORDING TO MR. GATES‘ PERSONAL 

S KNOWLEDGE. 

6 THE COURT: IT DOESN‘T PROVE THAT THEY FOLLOWED IT. IT 

» 7 DOESN” T PROVE THAT THEY WERE INSTRUCTED IN THIS FASHION. 

8 IT MAY, I THINK IT’S NEAREST KINSHIP TO AN ADMISSIBLE 

4 APPROACH WOULD BE A PAST RECOLLECTION RECORDED IN THAT IT MAY 

10 RECORD THIS WITNESS” RECOLLECTION OF WHAT WAS COMMUNICATED TO 

13 THE WITNESSES. 

12 I WOULD, I“LL ALLOW IT ALONG THOSE LINES. 

13 MR. FORD: IN OTHER WORDS, IF I UNDERSTAND YOUR HONOR 

14 CORRECTLY, AND FRANKLY I AM TRYING TO SAVE THE COURT SOME TIME, 

15 RATHER THAN START WITH MR. GATES AT LINE ONE AND ASK HIM IF EACH 

146 AND EVERY ONE OF THOSE FACTS STATED WAS COMMUNICATED. HE HAS 

17 TESTIFIED THAT THIS IS HIS BEST RECOLLECTION THAT EACH AND 

18 EVERY ONE WAS COMMUNICATED AND EACH AND EVERY ONE WAS FOLLOWED. 

" 19 AND THE COURT IS ADMITTING IT FOR THE PURPOSE OF ACCURATELY 

20 REFLECTING HIS RECOLLECTION IN THAT REGARD? 

21 THE COURT: THAT IT WAS FOLLOWED I THINK IS ENTIRELY 

22 ANOTHER MATTER. AND NO SUCH DOCUMENT AS THIS COULD DEMONSTRATE 

23 THAT FACT, IN MY OPINION. 

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IT IS AN OUT-OF-COURT STATEMENT PREPARED AND OFFERED TO 

PROVE THE TRUTH OF THE MATTERS ASSERTED THEREIN. THEREFORE IT”S 

NOT ADMISSIBLE. ; 

LETS THINK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHY IT MIGHT BE 

ADMISSIBLE. AND LET”S THINK ABOUT WHAT YOURE TRYING TO PROVE 

WITH IT. 

ONE THING THAT YOU WOULD BE WANTING TO PROVE WITH IT, I 

THINK, IS THAT LIKE AN APPENDIX TO A STUDY, THIS IS WHAT THE 

AUTHORS OF THE STUDY BELIEVED WAS CONTROLLING IN CODING. 

SOMETHING THAT SOMEBODY MIGHT WANT TO KNOW ABOUT THE 

METHODOLOGY. WELL I THINK THIS SHOWS SOMETHING ABOUT THE 

METHODOLOGY THAT THE STUDY CREATORS BELIEVED WERE EMPLOYED. AND 

TO THAT EXTENT, YOU KNOW, IT’S PART AND PARCEL OF THE STUDY, 

THEIR BUSINESS. WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT. 

IT DOES NOT PROVE THAT THESE INSTRUCTIONS, THAT THIS 

DOCUMENT DOES NOT PROVE WHAT WAS TOLD TQ THE PEOPLE. AND IT DOES 

NOT PROVE THAT THEY FOLLOWED THEM. 

NOW TO THE EXTENT THAT IT IS A SUMMARY WHICH SAVES 

TIME, WHICH I UNDERSTAND THE WITNESS” TESTIMONY TO BE THAT THIS 

IS ESSENTIALLY WHAT HE REMEMBERS BEING TOLD IN WRITING. OR 

VERBALLY TO THE FOLK, AND THIS IS WHAT HE WAS FOLLOWING WHEN HE 

WAS CHECKING FOR ERRORS. IF THAT'S WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO GET IT 

IN FOR, I“LL ALLOW IT SUBJECT TO CROSS-EXAMINATION. 

BUT I DON’T WANT THERE TO BE ANY MISUNDERSTANDING ABOUT 

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I DON’T BELIEVE THAT THIS PROVES THAT THIS WAS GIVEN, 

THAT THIS OR ANYTHING CLOSE TO THIS, IN THIS FORM, WAS GIVEN TO 

THE FOLK. BECAUSE IT WASN‘T. IF YOU WANT TO INTRODUCE IT AS A 

QUICK SUMMARY OF THE WITNESS” TESTIMONY ON THE SUBJECT, THAT'S 

FINE. 

I REALIZE WHAT I“M DOING IS FUDGING ON THE RULES OF 

EVIDENCE. IT“S NOT ADMISSIBLE, BUT LET’S START THERE. BUT IF 

YOU WENT THROUGH THE PROPER FOUNDATION, YOU COULD PROBABLY LAY A 

FOUNDATION FOR PAST RECOLLECTION RECORDED. WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY 

WHAT THIS IS. IT“S NOT IN ITS PUREST FORM BECAUSE HE DIDNT 

PREPARE IT. OR HE DIDN‘T PREPARE IT CONTEMPORANEOUSLY. BUT 

THATS ABOUT WHAT IT IS. HE CAN VALIDATE THIS AS BEING THAT, SO 

WELL JUST MOVE ALONG, WITH THAT. 

YOU LOOKED PERPLEXED. 

MR. FORD: I DO LOOK PERPLEXED, YOU HONOR. I THINK 

THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT POINT. I THINK THERE WAS ENORMOUS EFFORT 

PUT INTO ESTABLISHING A FACT WHICH I DON’T BELIEVE THAT THE 

COURT’S RULING PERMITS TO BE ESTABLISHED BY THIS DOCUMENT. 

I DO NOT WISH TO WASTE THE COURT’S TIME. I THINK THAT 

MR. GATES HAS PERSONAL OBSERVATIONS OF THE FACT OF FOLLOWING 

THESE RULES. THAT 1S, AND PERSONAL OBSERVATION OF THE FACT OF 

THESE RULES BEING COMMUNICATED., AND LATER OBSERVATIONS OF THEM 

BEING FOLLOWED AT THE 98 TO 99 PERCENT LEVEL, THAT IS A CRITICAL 

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THE BEST SOCIAL SCIENCE RESEARCH. AND IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK 

I WOULD FEEL REMISS IN NOT GETTING INTO THIS RECORD. AND 

PERHAPS MY FOUNDATION IS NOT COMPLETE, PERHAPS THE COURT IS 

INCLINED TOWARD A RECESS, 1 KNOW MY BACK IS GETTING TIRED, I 

KNOW WE“VE BEEN HERE A LITTLE WHILE, IF I COULD HAVE A FEW 

MOMENTS. AND CONSULT, AND SEE IF I CAN LAY A LITTLE BETTER 

FOUNDATION, I WOULD LIKE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY. 

THE COURT: IF WE COULD PIGEON HOLE WHAT IT IS YOU'RE 

TRYING TO ESTABLISH WITH THIS. IT WOULD BE OF SOME HELP. 

MR. FORD: 1 THINK WHAT I“M TRYING TO DO, YOUR HONOR, 

IS SAVE THE COURT’S TIME AND EXPENSE OF BRINGING EACH AND EVERY 

ONE OF THESE INDIVIDUALS IN AND SAYING, YES, THIS IS WHAT I 

UNDERSTOOD AND THIS IS WHAT I DID, EACH AND EVERY TIME, I THINK 

WE“VE GOT A VERY SUBSTANTIAL BASIS, BASED ON PERSONAL 

OBSERVATION THAT THAT OCCURRED. 

I AGREE THAT THIS IS A VERY SUMMARY FORM. IN THAT MR. 

GATES. PERHAPS UNDER THE STRICT RULES OF EVIDENCE, SHOULD IN 

RESPONSE TO A QUESTION BY ME OF WHAT WAS FOLLOWED START AT LINE 

ONE AND READ THROUGH PAGE 33, IF THATS HIS TRUTHFUL TESTIMONY 

WHICH I UNDRSTAND IT TO BE 23, I’M SORRY, BUT 1 DO BELIEVE 

THE FACT HE PERSONALLY OBSERVED THAT BEING FOLLOWED AND 

BEING COMMUNICATED IS SOMETHING THAT HAS SOME SIGNIFICANT IMPACT 

ON THE WEIGHT TO BE GIVEN THIS STUDY AND I THINK IT’S A 

DISTINGUISHING FEATURE OF THIS STUDY. 

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THE COURT: I DON’T THINK I“M CLEAR, AND I“M NOT SURE 

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< WHETHER MS. WESTMORELAND’S CLEAR FOR WHAT PURPOSE YOU'RE 

3 OFFERING IT, AND UNDER WHAT RULE OF EVIDENCE YOQU’RE OFFERING IT, 

4 SO I‘LL BREAK FOR TEN MINUTES, AND LET YOU PONDER THAT. WHILE 

3S THE REST OF US STRETCH. 

6 MR. FORD: THANK YOU. VERY MUCH, YOUR HONOR. 

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10 THE COURT: ALL RIGHT, MR. FORD. 

11 MR. FORD: YOUR HONOR, I HAVE DONE SOME RESEARCH AND 

12 SOME CONSULTATION WITH MY COLLEAGUES. AND I THINK. I HAVE 

13 CONCLUDED THE COURT’S CORRECT AND IF POSSIBLE, I WOULD LIKE TO 

14 LAY A LITTLE BIT MORE FOUNDATION. AND PERHAPS IDENTIFY THE 

135 PURPOSE FOR WHICH I’M PRECISELY OFFERING THIS DOCUMENT. 

16 THE COURT: ALL RIGHT. 

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18 EDWARD RAYMOND GATES. 

rs 19 | BEING PREVIOUSLY DULY SWORN. RESUMED THE WITNESS STAND AND 

20 TESTIFIED FURTHER AS FOLLOWS: 

21 DIRECT EXAMINATION (CONT-D) 

22 BY MR. FORD: 

23 Re MR. GATES. CALLING YOUR ATTENTION ONCE AGAIN TO EXHIBIT 

24 DB-43, HAVE YOU HAD OCCASION TO READ THAT OVER THE LAST FEW 

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1 A. YES, I REVIEWED IT VERY CAREFULLY LAST NIGHT. 

2 a. HAD YOU SEEN IT BEFORE LAST NIGHT? 

3 A. YES. I HAVE. 

4 a. WHEN WAS THAT? 

S A. I HAVE SEEN IT TWO OR THREE TIMES OVER THE PAST TWO YEARS. 

& Q. AND YOU WROTE IT. SUBSTANTIAL PORTIONS OF IT, ALL OF IT, 

® 7 HOW MUCH? 

8 A. 1 PARTICIPATED IN WRITING SUBSTANTIAL PORTIONS OF IT. 

9 a. HOW MUCH OF IT IS ACTUALLY YOUR WORDS OR WORDS THAT YOU 

10 WROTE DOWN OR INCLUDED IN YOUR EDITED DRAFT? 

11 A. CAN I DO THIS BY PAGE? 

12 Xe. YES. 

13 THE COURT: LET ME INTERRUPT YOU. 

14 EVEN IF HE PREPARED IT, IT’S STILL HEARSAY. 

15 MR. FORD: I UNDERSTAND THAT. YOUR HONOR. BUT WHERE 

16 IM GOING IS THE DIRECTION THAT THE COURT HAD INDICATED. 

17 ALTHOUGH IT IS SOMEWHAT DIFFERENT THAN THE ORDINARY RULE OF PAST 

18 RECOLLECTION RECORDED, IT DOES SEEM TO ME, AND THERE PERHAPS MAY 

é 1? BE A FOUNDATION IN THAT REGARD, GIVEN THE LAPSE OF TIME HERE.   20 REGARDING SOME OF THE PRECISION AND DETAIL IN THIS. 

21 THE COURT: I TOLD YOU I WOULD LET IT IN AS A SUMMARY 

22 OF HIS TESTIMONY AS TO WHAT RULES HE BELIEVES WERE COMMUNICATED 

23 TO THE CODERS. 

24 AND, AS A SUMMARY OF HIS TESTIMONY AS TO WHAT RULE HE 

  
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WERE FOLLOWED BY THE CODERS. AND I WILL DO THAT UNDER MY 

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BUT THE PURPOSE FOR WHICH YOU OFFERED IT WAS TO 

DEMONSTRATE THAT THESE RULES, THAT THIS WAS GIVEN, THESE RULES 

WERE GIVEN AND UNDERSTOOD AND APPLIED. FROM THIS TESTIMONY, I 

MIGHT INFER THAT, IT’S CIRCUMSTANTIAL EVIDENCE OF THAT. BUT IT 

DOES NOT CONCLUSIVELY ESTABLISH THAT. 

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12 OFFERING IT FOR. I GUESS 1 DON’T NEED TO GO ANY FARTHER AT THAT 

13 POINT. 

14 THE COURT: ALL RIGHT. 

135 MR. FORD: I WOULD LIKE TO ASK WITH REGARD TO THIS. AND 

16 THERE IS SOME CONCERN, WE DON’T HAVE THOSE OTHER FIVE PEOPLE 

17 HERE.   
13 AS I UNDERSTAND IT THROUGH THE DISCOVERY, AND THE 

19 | REASON FOR THAT. AND OTHER THAN THE EXPENSE AND REDUNDANCY OF 

20 DOING THAT, IS THAT TO THIS DATE, DESPITE NUMEROUS DISCOVERY 

21 EXCHANGES, NO OBJECTION HAS BEEN NOTED TO MY UNDERSTANDING THAT | 

22 WOULD RELATE TO ANY QUESTION OF WHETHER OR NOT THESE INDIVIDUALS 

23 FOLLOWED DIFFERENT SETS OF RULES, AND IT WOULD NECESSITATE THEIR 

24 COMING TO TESTIFY THAT YES. INDEED. THROUGH THEIR WORK THIS IS 

23 WHAT THEY WERE TOLD AND THIS IS WHAT THEY UNDERSTOOD. 

      
  

  

 



    

  

  

  

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AND PERHAPS. I DON’T KNOW IF WE GET INTO IT ON 

CROSS-EXAMINATION BUT I CERTAINLY DON’T WANT TO BE IN A 

SITUATION WHERE THAT ISSUE IS RAISED LATER AND WE’RE CAUGHT WITH 

PEOPLE FINISHING THEIR LAW DEGREES OR PRACTICING LAW, WHEREVER 

THEY ARE RIGHT NOW, WHO CAN‘T BE HERE, AND WHO THE COURT 

PRACTICALLY, I DON’T THINK, WANTS TO HEAR FROM EACH AND EVERY 

ONE OF THEM. IF THE STATE HAS ANY OBJECTION IN THAT REGARD. 

THE COURT: I DON’T KNOW, YOU KNOW. YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY 

SHADOWBOXING A LITTLE BIT, EVEN WITH ISSUES THAT I DON’T 

APPRECIATE. BECAUSE I DON’T KNOW WHAT’S IN YOUR MIND. 

BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, I THINK THAT BEYOND 

DEMONSTRATING SOME MENTAL, OR SOME MINIMAL DEFERENCE TO GOOD 

SCHOLARSHIP AND RESEARCH TECHNIQUES. YOUR OBLIGATION AT THIS 

POINT IS TO PROVE THE ALLEGATIONS IN THE PETITION. 

IT IS THEN THE STATEZS BURDEN TO SHOW ME WHY I SHOULD 

NOT RELY ON YOUR RESEARCH. AND IF THEY CREATE THE ISSUE. THEN I 

WILL GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO REBUT WHAT THEY HAVE SAID. 

I DON’T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO GO INTO QUITE THE DETAIL 

WE HAVE GONE INTO ALREADY, AND I AM QUITE SURE THAT YOU“RE NOT 

OBLIGED TO ESTABLISH A PRIMA FACIE CASE TO HAVE THOSE FIVE FOLK 

HERE. 

YOU HAVE, I THINK, BY HIS TESTIMONY SHOWN SOME CONCERN 

WITH PRECISION. BEYOND THAT, I THINK THIS IS A WASTE OF TIME AT 

THIS POINT. TO BEAT THAT HORSE. AND GILD THAT LILY. WHATEVER 

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MR. FORD: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, YOUR HONOR. 

THE COURT: ALL RIGHT. 

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Q. NOW, MR. GATES, I THINK YOU TOUCHED BRIEFLY ON THIS BEFORE, 

WOULD YOU JUST RELOCATE US IN TIME HERE. IN TERMS OF THE PROCESS 

THAT WAS FOLLOWED WITH REGARD TO THE TRAINING OF THE INDIVIDUALS 

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11 IS THAT RIGHT? 

12 A. THATS CORRECT. 

13 de. WAS ANYONE ADDITIONAL ADDED? I THINK WE“VE TALKED ABOUT 

14 SIX CODERS. IS THAT RIGHT? 

15 A. THAT’S RIGHT. 

16 ol. WHO IS THE SIXTH PERSON? 

17 A. THE SIXTH PERSON IS JACK BARKER. HE WAS AN UNDERGRADUATE 

12 AT DUKE UNIVERSITY AT THE TIME. 

% 19 ANTICIPATING A BURDEN PLACED UPON THE DEPARTMENT OF 

20 PARDONS AND PAROLES TO PULL TWELVE HUNDRED FILES FOR US FOR : 

21 SUMMER. AND NOT WANTING IN ANY WAY TO INTERFERE WITH THE SMOOTH 

22 OPERATION OF THEIR AGENCY, WE SUGGESTED TO THEM THAT THEY HIRE 

23 ‘SOMEONE WITHIN THEIR OWN SYSTEM TO PULL THE FILES FOR US. IN 

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THEM BUT THAT WE WOULD PAY THAT PERSON‘S SALARY. 

Q. BY THE WAY. WAS EVERYONE IN THIS PAID? THIS WAS NOT 

VOLUNTEER WORK? 

A. NO, THEY WERE ALL PAID. INCLUDING JACK BARKER, AND PAID AT 

$5.00 AN HOUR. 

@. AND WERE YOU PAID AS WELL? 

A. YES. 1 Was. 

Q. AND WHAT WAS YOUR RATE OF PAY? 

A. I WAS PAID $10.00 AN HOUR, WHILE I WAS SUPERVISING THE 

CODERS. 

Q. SO YOU HAD GOTTEN A RAISE SINCE THE PREVIOUS WORK ON STUDY 

1, IS THAT RIGHT? 

A. YES. 1 STARTED OFF AT $5.00 AN HOUR. AND WHEN I WENT TO 

10WA, MAKING PREPARATION FOR GEORGIA, 1 WAS MAKING $3.00 AN 

HOUR. AND IN GEORGIA SUPERVISING THE CODERS. I MADE TEN DOLLARS 

AN HOUR. 

Q. WHEN DID YOU AND THE CODERS. SIX INDIVIDUALS. EVER GET, 

WHEN DID YOU FINALLY GET TOGETHER IN THIS ONE SPOT? 

A. WE FINALLY GOT TOGETHER IN MID- TO LATE MAY. 

0. WHERE WAS THAT? 

A. “81, AT THE DEPARTMENT OF PARDONS AND PAROLES. 

@. HERE IN ATLANTA? 

A. HERE IN ATLANTA. 

@. GEORGIA STATE DEPARTMENT OF PARDONS AND PAROLES? 

A. 800 PEACHTREE STREET. 

  

  
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G. AND WHAT DID YOU —— WAS ANYONE ELSE THERE WITH YOU? 

A. PROFESSOR BALDUS WAS HERE. 

@. AND WHAT WAS THE FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS? 

A. THE FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS WAS TO CHECK THE CODING OF THE 

QUESTIONNAIRES. THE PRACTICE QUESTIONNAIRES THAT HAD BEEN SENT 

TO THE CODERS. 

@. THIS IS THE TRAINING PERIOD —- 

A. YES. 

@. ~-- YOU PREVIOUSLY DESCRIBED? 

A. THAT’S CORRECT. 

@. AND ABOUT HOW LONG DID THAT LAST? 

A. THE WHOLE TRAINING PERIOD LASTED FOR FIVE DAYS WHILE 

PROFESSOR BALDUS WAS HERE AND THEN FOR THREE DAYS AFTER HIS 

DEPARTURE. AND WHAT WE WOULD, WHAT WE WOULD DO ON A DAILY BASIS 

IS HAVE ALL THE CODERS CODE THE SAME FILE. AND WHEN THEY WERE 

DONE WITH THAT. WE WOULD GO THROUGH THE CORRECT CODINGS FOR EACH 

QUESTION. EACH VARIABLE, EACH FOIL IN THE QUESTIONNAIRE. 

AND SPEND MAYBE SIX OR EIGHT HOURS DISCUSSING, 

DISCUSSING HYPOTHETICALS AND POSSIBILITIES FOR CODING TO EXPLORE 

AS MUCH AS WE COULD ABOUT THE DIFFERENT WAYS YOU MIGHT CODE A 

CERTAIN QUESTION IN A HYPOTHETICAL. 

THE COURT: TALKING ABOUT THE TRAINING IN 1981? 

THE WITNESS: THATS CORRECT. 

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MR. FORD: SORRY. YOUR HONOR. 

THE WITNESS: MAY I CLARIFY ONE POINT? JACK BARKER WAS 

ORIGINALLY HIRED JUST FOR THE FILES. HE WAS HIRED BY THE PEOPLE 

AT THE DEPARTMENT OF PARDONS AND PAROLES, AND IT WAS CLEAR FROM 

OUR FIRST INTERACTIONS WITH HIM THAT HE WAS A VERY VERY BRIGHT 

PERSON. SO WE DECIDED TO HAVE HIM, PROFESSOR BALDUS DECIDED TO 

HAVE HIM PARTICIPATE IN THE INITIAL TRAINING. AND IT WAS CLEAR 

THAT HE WAS CODING JUST AS WELL AS THE OTHER PEOPLE. AND SO IN 

ADDITION TO HIS RESPONSIBILITIES FOR PULLING THE FILES. WHEN HE 

HAD EXTRA TIME HE WAS CODING CASES. 

BY MR. FORD: 

Go. IS HE ANOTHER LAW STUDENT? 

A. NO. HE WAS AN UNDERGRADUATE. DUKE UNIVERSITY. 

Q. TURNING TO EG-4, COULD YOU TURN BACK TO THAT, THE ORIGINAL 

CODING INSTRUCTIONS? 

FIRST PAGE OF THAT, I“D JUST LIKE TO DISCUSS WITH YOU A 

LITTLE BIT WHAT SOME OF THESE INSTRUCTIONS MEANT. THIS IS THE 

DOCUMENT THAT EVERYONE HAD FROM THE OUTSET. 

THE COURT: EXCUSE ME MR. FORD. UNLESS IT REALLY WOULD 

INTERRUPT YOUR PRESENTATION, IT WOULD BE MUCH MORE HELPFUL IF HE 

TESTIFIED WITH REFERENCE TO THE QUESTIONNAIRE AS YOU DID IN THE 

FIRST ONE. RATHER THAN JUST SIT HERE AND READ THE RULES. 

MR. FORD: WE ARE PREPARED TO DO THAT, THEN, YOUR 

HONOR. WE CAN MOVE AHEAD TO THAT. I THINK WE MAY WANT TO COME 

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3 | ONE IN WAS SO I DIDN‘T HAVE TO SIT.HERE WHILE YOU WENT THROUGH 

4 17. 

5 MR. FORD: COULD I HAVE JUST A MINUTE OR TWO FOR SOME 

6 GENERAL PROPOSITIONS, YOUR HONOR, --— 

% 7 THE COURT: SURE. 

a MR. FORD: -- OUT OF THESE, JUST TO CLARIFY MATTERS? 

9 MIGHT NOT COME UP ON INDIVIDUAL FOILS THROUGH THIS STUDY. 

10 BY MR. FORD: 

11 Q. THE FIRST PAGE DESCRIBES THE INFORMATION IN THE PAROLE 

12 BOARD REPORT. IS THAT RIGHT? 

13 Fra YES. 

14 @. AND SAME KIND OF STUFF WE. INFORMATION WE TALKED ABOUT IN 

15 THE STUDY 17 

16 A. THAT’S CORRECT. 

17 Q. AND AGAIN. IT APPEARS TO BE A HIERARCHY OF INFORMATION, 

18 NOTING THAT ON THE BOTTOM IT NOTES THIS LATTER INFORMATION IS 

% 19 OFTEN RECORDED INCORRECTLY. SO YOU HAD A HIERARCHY OF THINGS 

20 THAT YOU WOULD FOLLOW. IS THAT RIGHT? 

21 A. THATS RIGHT. 

22 Ql. IN TERMS OF ANY CONFLICTS? 

23 A. THATS CORRECT. 

24 a. AND AGAIN YOU HAD THE GEORGIA SUPREME COURT OPINION? 

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Q. WITH REGARD TO THE GENERAL SETS OF INSTRUCTIONS. WAS THERE 

ANY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE RULE ON STUDY NUMBER 2 AND STUDY NUMBER 

WITH REGARD TO DRAWING INFERENCES? 

A. YES. 

A. DOES THAT FIRST PARAGRAPH THERE DEAL WITH THAT? 

THE COURT: ON PAGE WHAT? 

MR. FORD: I“M SORRY. ON PAGE. MY COPY DOES NOT HAVE A 

NUMBER ON IT. IT SAYS "CODING INSTRUCTIONS FOR GEORGIA PAROLE 

BOARD QUESTIONNAIRE (SUMMER. 1981).° 

THE WITNESS: WELL, THERE‘S SOME GENERAL INSTRUCTIONS 

AT THE TOP OF THAT PAGE THAT BASICALLY STATE IF THERES AN 

AMBIGUITY, DON’T RESOLVE IT YOURSELF. 

THE INSTRUCTIONS ARE MUCH MORE SPECIFIC WITH REGARD TO 

THE QUESTIONS YOURE ASKING STARTING AT THE NEXT PAGE, PAGE 2 

AND 3. 

BY MR. FORD: 

Qe. STARTING ON TOP OF PAGE 2 OR WHERE? 

A STARTING AT SECTION B, CONFLICTING STATEMENTS AND 

AMBIGUITIES. 

Qe. I NOTICE THAT SETS OUT A COUPLE OF RULES, IS THAT CORRECT.   COUPLE OF BASIC GENERAL RULES? 

A. THATS RIGHT. 

Q. WHAT WAS THE FIRST OF THOSE RULES STATED THERE? 

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3 COURT OPINION BEING FIRST AND FOREMOST. SO ON» WHAT YOU WOULD DO 

4 1S RESOLVE THE AMBIGUITY IN THE DIRECTION THAT WOULD SUPPORT THE 

S LEGITIMACY OF THE CONVICTION OR THE LENGTH OF THE SENTENCE -- 

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8 a. 1S THAT RULE SET OUT ON THE BOTTOM OF THIS PAGE 2 AND 

? THROUGH PAGE 3, IS THAT RIGHT? 

10 A. THATS CORRECT. 

11 Q. SO. IN OTHER WORDS, IF, IT’S IMPOSSIBLE TO SAY BETWEEN TWO 

12 POSSIBLE CODING RESPONSES WHICH ONE WAS CORRECT, THE PRESUMPTION 

13 WAS IN FAVOR OF THE CORRECTNESS OF THE OUTCOME OF THE CASE. IS 

14 THAT THE GENERAL WAY OF STATING IT FOR BOTH? 

15 A. THAT'S ALMOST RIGHT. WE NEED TO SEPARATE CONFLICTING 

146 STATEMENTS AND AMBIGUITIES. 

17 LET ME DO IT BY EXAMPLE: 

18 IF TWO WITNESSES WERE REPORTED AS WITNESSING THE CRIME, 

Fe 19 AND ONE OF THEM SAID THAT THE DEFENDANT DID IT, AND ANOTHER 

20 SAID, THE DEFENDANT DIDNT DO IT. THEN THE WAY YOU WOULD RESOLVE 

21 THAT AMBIGUITY IS TO SUPPORT THE DECISION THAT THE FACT FINDERS 

22 MADE. THAT IS THAT THE FACT FINDERS CAME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT 

23 THE DEFENDANT DID IT. 

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2 A. YES. IT 1S. 

3 AND IT’S STATED IN THE CONTEXT OF RESOLVING AMBIGUITIES 

4 AND BY AMBIGUITIES. WHAT WE MEAN IS WHERE SOME INFORMATION IS 

3 PRESENTED IN THE FILE, BUT ITS INCOMPLETE INFORMATION. IT’S 

& UNCLEAR, AND SO THE WAY YOU WOULD RESOLVE SUCH AN AMBIGUITY IS 

. 7 TO SUPPORT THE, WHAT WE CALL THE LEGITIMACY OF THE SENTENCE, 

8 THAT IS, IF, AGAIN LET ME ILLUSTRATE BY EXAMPLE. 

? IF YOU KNEW THERE WAS A ROBBERY AND YOU DIDN’T KNOW IF 

10 IT WAS AN ARMED ROBBERY OR IF IT WAS A ROBBERY BY FORCE. IF THE 

11 PERSON GOT A DEATH SENTENCE, THEN YOU WOULD CODE THAT AS AN 

2 ARMED ROBBERY, AND OF COURSE, NOTE IN THE AMBIGUITY SECTION THAT 

13 IS WHAT YOU’VE DONE. 

14 IF THE PERSON HAD GOTTEN A LIFE SENTENCE. YOU WOULD RESOLVE 

15 THAT AMBIGUITY IN THE DIRECTION THAT WOULD BE A LESS AGGRAVATING 

16 TYPE OF CRIME. 

17 a. SO ALWAYS SUPPORTING WHATEVER THE OUTCOME OF THE CASE HAD 

18 BEEN? 

* i? A. THATS RIGHT. 

20 Q. NOW. STARTING ON PAGE 4, AND GOING ON THROUGH PAGE 11 OF 

21 THIS DOCUMENT. SOME MORE SPECIFIC INSTRUCTIONS RELATING TQ EACH 

22 QUESTION. IS THAT RIGHT. OR MANY OF THE QUESTIONS. IS THAT 

23 RIGHT? 

24 A. THATS EXACTLY RIGHT. 

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QUESTION, JUST TO MAKE THE RECORD CLEAR. 

AFTER THAT PAGE 11 WE SEE AN APPENDIX A, AT LEAST IN MY 

COPY. DO YOU HAVE THAT? 

Po YES, I HAVE THAT. 

a. LISTS A NUMBER OF FELON ~- VIOLENT PERSONAL FELONIES IN 

GEORGIA AND OTHER FELONIES IN GEORGIA, ARE THOSE JUST 

DEFINITIONS FOR PURPOSES OF THE QUESTIONNAIRE OR WHAT? 

Ae YES, AND TWO OF THE QUESTIONS IN THE CHARGING AND SENTENCING 

STUDY, THERE’S A FOIL WHERE YOU ENTER WHETHER OR NOT. IF YOU 

DON‘T, THERE“S TWO GENERAL CATEGORIES. AND THEY ARE VIOLENT 

PERSONAL FELONIES, AND OTHER FELONIES, AND THOSE ARE THE LISTS 

OF WHAT THOSE ARE, SO THAT PEOPLE DIDN‘T HAVE TO GUESS. 

QR. DEFINITION OF SOME SORT? 

A. YES. 

a. NOW ON DB-43, THE SUPPLEMENTED INSTRUCTIONS. I GUESS WE 

START ON PAGE 5, AT LEAST OF MY COPY, AND GO THROUGH A SIMILAR 

| LIST OF INSTRUCTIONS, THOUGH ONE THAT’S MORE LONG, MUCH LONGER. 

AND APPARENTLY MORE DETAILED. IS THAT RIGHT? 

A. THATS RIGHT. 

Q. AND THOSE ARE QUESTION BY QUESTION, AND, KINDS OF THINGS? 

A. UH HUH. 

@. NOW: DID, AND, ON THAT DB-43. IS THAT APPENDIX OF THE 

VIOLENT FELONIES, IS THAT INCLUDED? 

A. YES. 

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THE COURT: IS THAT DIFFERENT FROM THE EG-46? 

MR. FORD: 1 BELIEVE EG-4 PERHAPS THE WITNESS COULD 

IDENTIFY, BUT I THINK IT IS JUST A COPY OF A BLANK 

QUESTIONNAIRE: AND EG-4A IS A COPY OF A FILLED QUT 

QUESTIONNAIRE. I DON’T PLAN TO OFFER EG~é BUT IT“S THERE 

PARTLY. YOUR HONOR, BECAUSE AS YOU WILL NOTICE, EG-A IS NOT VERY 

CLEAR IN SOME PARTS. I THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE HANDY TO HAVE IT 

CLOSE BY. 

BY MR. FORD: 

Q. DO YOU RECOGNIZE WHAT EG—6A IS? 

A. YES, 1 DO. THAT’S A QUESTIONNAIRE THAT WAS CODED BY JOHN 

GREENO IN IN JULY OF 1981. 

Ae AND HAVE YOU EVER SEEN THAT BEFORE TODAY? 

A. YES, 1 HAVE. 

I SAW IT YESTERDAY. 

» 8 DO YOU KNOW IF YOU COULD HAVE SEEN IT DURING THE STUDY 

ITSELF? 

A. IT’S POSSIBLE THAT THIS IS ONE OF THE CASES I REVIEWED. I 

DON‘T KNOW THAT NOW. 

Q. DOES THIS APPEAR TO BE A FILLED OUT QUESTIONNAIRE FROM 

STUDY NUMBER 27 

3. I BELIEVE THAT PROFESSOR BALDUS HAS -—- 

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COURT, I°M VERY TIRED. I DON’T KNOW IF THE WITNESS IS. IN MY 

PART OF THE COUNTRY. I DON‘T KNOW A JUDGE THAT GOES TO FIVE LET 

ALONE FIVE-THIRTY. 

THE COURT: WHAT TIME DO THEY START? 

MR. FORD: WE MAY BE ABLE TO MOVE ALONG A LOT FASTER IF 

WE COULD BREAK FOR THE EVENING. 

THE COURT: WHAT TIME DO YOUR JUDGES START OUT THERE? 

‘MR. FORD: OH» WE GENERALLY START AT 9130 AS WELL. YOUR 

HONOR. I DON’T THINK WE ARE AS HARD WORKING UP THERE. | 

THE COURT: I DON’T BELIEVE THAT FROM EVERYTHING IVE 

HEARD ABOUT WASHINGTON. 

ILL MAKE YOU A DEAL. IF YOU WON‘T UNNECESSARILY GILD 

THE LILY TOMORROW. ILL BE GLAD TO GIVE YOU A RECESS TODAY. 

MR. FORD: I‘LL MAKE EVERY EFFORT TO SPEED THINGS UP 

FOR TOMORROW OVERNIGHT, YOUR HONOR. : 

THE COURT: LET ME SAY THAT I REALIZE THAT THE STANDARD 

FOR JUDGING THE WEIGHT TO BE GIVEN TO THE TESTIMONY OF AN EXPERT 

WOULD BE AMONG OTHER THINGS THE REASONS THAT HE GIVES FOR HIS 

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AND I WOULD PRESUME WHERE THAT TEST IS INVOLVED, THAT 

INCLUDES METHODOLOGY. 

AS 1 TRIED TO INDICATE TO YOU EARLIER, I DON’T MIND 

YOUR MAKING SOME SORT OF A RECORD TO PROVE THAT YOU ENDEAVORED 

TO ADHERE TO RECOGNIZED TECHNIGUES. BUT THE GREAT DETAIL MAY OR 

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1 POSITION IS. 

2 AT THIS POINT, I’M NOT REALLY CLEAR ON WHETHER THE 

STATE WOULD FOR THE PURPOSES OF ORAL ARGUMENT, FOR EXAMPLE. 

ADMIT THE CONCLUSIONS OF THE STUDY AND SAY THEY MAKE NO 

DIFFERENCE, IN WHICH EVENT WE‘RE WASTING AN AWFUL LOT OF TIME. 

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7 THE COURT: OR WHETHER THEY BELIEVE IT IS FLAWED IN 

8 PART OR IN WHOLE OR WHATEVER. 

: SO DON’T, DON“T TRY TO ANTICIPATE ALL THE STATE’S 

10 PROBLEMS. I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU DO NOT THINK THAT YOU HAVE FULL 

11 NOTICE OF ALL OF THEIR PROBLEMS, AND I OBVIOUSLY WILL BE 

12 REASONABLY GENEROUS WITH YOU IN REBUTTAL AFTER WE FIND OUT WHAT 

13 THEIR POSITION IS. 

14 MR. FORD: APPRECIATE THAT. 

15 THE COURT: DON’T OVERDO IT. 

16 MR. FORD: YOU HONOR. I WOULD ONLY ANTICIPATE -— 

17 THE COURT: I“M NOT FUSSING AT YOU, I WOULD MAKE THE 

18 SAME COMMENT TO MR. BOGER IF HE WERE HERE. IM IMPRESSED. BUT I 

as 19 DON’T KNOW WHAT THE PROBLEMS ARE. UNTIL I FIND OUT WHAT THE 

20 PROBLEMS ARE AND WHAT THE CONCLUSIONS ARE, I CAN‘T REALLY DO 

21 MUCH WITH WHAT I‘M HEARING EITHER. SO A LOT OF WHAT YOU“RE 

22 DOING MIGHT BE SAVED FOR REBUTTAL IS WHAT I“M SAYING TO YOU. 

23 MR. FORD: I HOPE TO FINISH UP WITH THIS GUESTIONNAIRE 

24 TOMORROW, YOUR HONOR. AND THAT’LL BE IT FOR MR. GATES. 

23 THE COURT: WITH THAT DISCUSSION ON THE LAST

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