State v. Edwards Jr. Transcript of Record
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The State of South Carolina IN THE SUPREME COURT A PPEA L FROM RICHLAND COUNTY H onorable L egare Bates, Judge THE STATE, Respondent, against JAMES EDWARDS, JR., ALVESTER PATE, JR., PINCKNEY MOSLEY, MEL VIN BROWN, JR., HAROLD EUGENE NIMMONS, W ILLIE BOYKIN JONES, W IL L IAM PERKINS and BILL A L V IN SULLIVAN, Appellants. THE STATE, Respondent, against GEORGE C. FOSTER, JAMES JEROME KIRTON, ISAAC J. CAMPBELL, ISAAC WASHINGTON, RONALD J. RHAMES, JOSEPH B. B AILEY, DA VIE GREEN and CHARLES F. BARR, Appellants. THE STATE, Respondent, against JAMES C. WEST, SINCLAIR SALTERS, H EZIKAH JOHNSON, JAMES CLY- BURN, W IL L IA M E. MOULTRIE, D AVID CARTER, BENJAMIN J. GLOVER, SAMUEL S. WILLIAMS, ARTHUR W. STANLEY, JR., W EN DELL DAILEY, LENNIE W . GLOVER, D AVID L. PERRETT, JAMES A. CARTER, CLIFFORD J. RICE, DELBERT L. WOODS, ALFRED 0. LEMON, WILBUR H. W ALK ER , SAMUEL EDWARDS, JAMES W. CANTY, ISAAC W. WILLIAMS, CLIFFORD B. BELL. W IL L IA M H. COOLEY, ROBERT H. LaPRINCE, FR AN K E. GORE, E AR L PETERS, JR., H ENRY H. HARRIS, CHARLES R. MILLER, CHARLES McDEW. M AXINE EPPS, H ENRY WILLIAMS, LEROY HOGANS, JIMMIE L. SMITH, JAMES REEDER, JR., GEORGE A. ANDERSON, and ANTHONY McFADDEN, Appellants. THE STATE, Respondent, against CARRIE MAE K E LLY, QUEEN E. RUSH, HAZEL Y. N EW BERRY, BETTY J. LINDSEY, SARAH E. McKENZIE, MATTIE THOMAS, BETTY J. CAPERS, MINNIE DeWITT, FLOYD A L V IN GILMORE, MacARTHUR J. BISHOP, CHARLES FLEMMING, JOE LEWIS ROBINSON, JOHN J. CAMPBELL, I. D. NEWMAN, HAROLD FOSTER, JIMMIE NORSE MOORE, HORACE NASH, JOHN W ESLEY MILLER, MARK A. WILLIAMS, CLARENCE MIS SOURI, CARL EDW ARD BOOK, CLASSIE R. W ALK ER , BOBBIE JEAN YOUNG, W ILLIE P AUL WORTHY, ROBERT FERGUSON, ALBERT ORAGE, JOHN SAW YER, GLENN MANNING, KENNEDY CLAFFL1N, JOHN FEDERICK, BOBBY DOCTOR, ALBERTINE M. CONEY, YVONNE J. CODLOE, BRENDA J. BURTON, BARBARA ANN MACK. JUDITH D. SMITH, EMMA J. JONES, EVE LY N L. ROBINSON, W IL L IAM THEODORE BOGGS, HENRY EARL THOMAS, JAMES EDW ARD COLEMAN, BER NARD NATHANIEL RIGGINS, JESSIE ALFREDIA LOCKHART, BAR- /; _ , -I .Y.Y CURRINGTON, SARAH ANN WHARTON, DIANE GWENDO- HYNrBLASSINGAME, SOPHIA PEARL LESTER, BETTY JEAN WIDER- MAN, W ILLIAM T. ROBINSON, ROBERT HICKMAN, HERBERT L A W RENCE WILSON, BERNARD HAIRE, LEONARD BRANT, DONALD JE ROME SAtLTERS, FREDERICK P. PAGET, ROBERT LEE McBETH, LEW IE EIGHTY, BOOKER T. McLEOD, CLAUDE E. MOORE, JOHN I. W ITHER SPOON, M ATTH EW WILLIAMS, HAROLD BARDONVILLE, TRAVIS SIM MONS, SHIRLEY STROMON, FLORENCE SMALLS, RAN L. JONES, JEAN- NIE LUE DAVIS, MYRTLE L. W ALK ER , JULIUS B. MOSES, BETTY JEAN WILSON, LENNARD L. McCANTS, MARIO DAVIS, SAMMIE PRINGLE, CLINTON W. HAZZARD, ROBERT McTEER, JAMES A. ALFORD, GWEN DOLYN WATSON. FRANCIS MCDANIELS, JOHN LAND, YVONNE REDD, DORIS T). WRIGHT, DEE ANN ANDERSON, M A R Y NORRIS, RHUNETT LINDSEY. JUANITA HALL. GERTRUDE EVANS, SHIRLEY A. GREEN, ANNIE MAE RAY , LEOLA CLEMENTS, GERTRUDE SMITH, CATHE RINE DUNCAN, JUNIUS L. REED. JAMES K. DAVIS, AL ETHIA BROWN, REBECCA WILLIAMS, DOROTHY H. ROBINSON, M A R Y L. ENGLISH, W IL L IE 0. JAMISON, JUSTINE SIMONS, LOVENIE GRIGGS, JEANNETTE BLACK, JUANITA WADDELL, LUCY SULLIVAN. PATRICIA GREEN, AMANDA TOWNSEND, MARGARET McCRAY, BJETTYE MARSHALL, AN NETTE EDWARDS, MATTIE GILES, NOVEL NOWLIN, BARBARA EAR- LEY, LUCY DAVIS, EDITH JENKINS, BETTYE .7. KING, BINZER INABI- NET, KAT IE DONALDSON, MARION J. JOHNSON, JEANETTE L. H ART W E L L , M A R Y E. ELLISON, REGINA S. A. CALDWELL. LaVERNE DU RANT. CHANGIE M. DRAYTON, 0TT1E R. JARRATT, BOBBIE J. GILES, IRENE O’N. GILES, FELICIA Y. YOUNG, FORTIA H. SIZER. KATE LEWIS. W ILLIE E. GRANT. FRANCES E. JOHNSON, EVELYN BING, SHIRT,EY A. KING, LORETTA G. BUSH, BETTIE J. BROWN, GLORIA ■T. JEFFERSON, and ROSALIE HINES, Appellants. TRANSCRIPT OF RECORD Jenkins & P erry. Columbia, S. C., Attorneys for Appellants. D aniel R. McL eod, Attorney General, J. C. Coleman. J r., Assistant Attorney General, Everett N. Brandon, Assistant Attorney General. Columbia. S. C.. Attorneys fo r Respondent. INDEX Page Statement................................................................... 1 Transcript of Trial Proceedings, March 7, 1961 .. 2 Witnesses for The State: Irving G. McNayr Direct Examination.................................. 4 Cross Examination .................................. 19 Re-direct Examination ............................. 37 Re-cross Examination............................... 39 L. J. Campbell Direct Examination.................................. 42 Cross Examination .................................. 47 Re-direct Examination ............................. 55 Dan F. Beckman Direct Examination.................................. 57 Cross Examination .................................. 61 A. C. Shorter, Jr. Direct Examination.................................. 66 Cross Examination .................................. 70 Transcript of Trial Proceedings, March 13,1961 .. 18 Witnesses for The State: Irving G. McNayr Direct Examination.................................. 82 Cross Examination .................................. 95 L. J. Campbell Direct Examination.................................. 102 Cross Examination.................................... 106 Re-direct Examination ............................. 115 Re-cross Examination .............................. 116 Dan F. Beckman Direct Examination.................................. 117 Cross Examination .................................. 119 Re-direct Examination ............................. 123 Re-cross Examination............................... 123 INDEX— Continued Page A. C. Shorter, Jr. Direct Examination.................................. 124 Cross Examination.................................... 127 Witnesses lor Defendants: James Jerome Kirton Direct Examination.................................. 135 Cross Examination .................................. 145 Transcript of Trial Proceedings, March 16, 1961 . 156 Witnesses for The State: Irving G. McNayr Direct Examination.................................. 158 Cross Examination.................................... 166 Re-direct Examination ........... 185 Joseph P. Barnett Direct Examination.................................. 186 Cross Examination.................................... 189 L. J. Campbell Cross Examination.................................... 196 A. C. Shorter, Jr. Cross Examination .................................. 197 Dan F. Beckman Cross Examination.................... 198 Witnesses for Defendants: B. J. Glover Direct Examination .................................. 202 Cross Examination .................................. 206 Re-direct Examination ............................ 213 Re-cross Examination.............................. 213 'Transcript of Trial Proceedings, March 27, 1961 . 219 Order of Judge B ates............................................. 232 Exceptions ................................................................ 240 Stipulation ...................... 241 STATEMENT This is an appeal from an Order of Honorable Le- gare Bates, dated July 10, 1961, affirming convictions 1 of the Appellants in Magistrate’s Court. The Appellants, numbering one hundred eighty- seven persons, were charged with the crime of breach of the peace. The charges arose out of certain activities in which the Appellants were engaged in and about the State House Grounds in the City of Columbia on March 3, 1961. The right to trial by jury was waived, and the Ap pellants were tried by the Columbia City Magistrate of Richland County in four separate trials on the 7th, 2 13th, 16th and 27th days of March, 1961. It was stip ulated that all testimony presented in the first two trials would be substantially the same in subsequent trials, and such testimony was ordered incorporated in the records of the subsequent trials as if repeated therein. The same stipulation and order were made as to testimony presented in the third trial. All Appellants were found guilty, and sentences ranging from fines of Ten ($10.00) Dollars or service of five (5) days to One Hundred ($100.00) Dollars or » thirty (30) days were imposed. Thereafter, by stip ulation, the appeals from the four trials were consoli dated and argued as one case before the Richland County Court. In the Order from which appeal is taken, the judgment of the Magistrate’s Court was affirmed. Due and timely notice of appeal from this Order was given. ( 1 ) 2 The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. SUPREME COURT________ TRANSCRIPT OF TESTIMONY Before Honorable Frank Powell, Magistrate, on Tuesday, March 7,1961, Richland County Court House, Columbia, South Carolina. Appearances: For the State: J. C. Coleman, Esq., E. N. Brandon, Esq. For the Defendants: Matthew J. Perry, Esq., Lin coln C. Jenkins, Jr., Esq., Donald James Sampson, Esq. E leanor S. Mackey, Reporter. (Court convened at 10:00 o’clock, a. m. in Circuit Court Room, Richland County Court House.) Judge Powell: I would like to announce the rules for this hearing. No. 1, no photographs will be taken in the court room. No. 2, as many people who like may come here as long as they have a seat. There will be no standing up around the walls. There will he no out bursts in any fashion; if there is any, you will be cited for contempt of court. The Court has before it a warrant charging the fol lowing person for breach of peace here in Richland County. A complaint, under oath, has been made by L. J. Campbell that at Columbia, in Richland County, South Carolina, on March the 2nd, 1961, James Ed wards, Jr., Alvester Pate, Jr., Pinckney Moseley, Mel vin Brown, Jr., Harold Eugene Nimmons, Willie Boy kin Jones, William Perkins and Bill Alvin Sullivan did commit a breach of the peace and that the said persons, together with others, did assemble to impede normal traffic and they failed to disperse upon orders SUPREME COURT 3 Appeal from Richland County of the police officers. Whereas, the aforementioned in dividuals' bn March 2nd, 1961, on the State Capitol grounds, on adjacent sidewalks and streets,'^did com mit a breach of the peace in that they, together with a large group of people, did assemble and impede the normal traffic, singing and parading with placards, failed to disperse upon lawful orders of police officers, all of which tended directly to immediate violence and breach of the peace in view of existing conditions. Signed: L. J. Campbell. Sworn to before me on the 2nd day March, 1961. Frank Powell, Columbia Magis trate. Are all of the persons named present? Mr. Perry: Your Honor, they are present. The Court: Are these persons represented by an at torney? Mr. Perry: Yes, sir. They are represented by three attorneys: Mr. Lincoln C. Jenkins, Jr., Mr. Donald James Sampson and myself, Matthew J. Perry. May it please the Court, if I may interrupt Your Honor’s proceedings momentarily, the defendants have not been given copies of the warrant and I wonder if it is pos sible, at this time that they might be given copies of the warrant? The Court: Not at this time. The warrant has been read individually to them when they were charged. Will the defendants please stand and approach the front of the court room as I call their names? Mr. Perry: Just one moment, please. I don’t want to be put in the position of interrupting the procedure. May we approach the Bench with members of counsel for the State? The Court: Yes. (Whereupon, Mr. Coleman, Mr. Brandon, Mr. Perry, Mr. Jenkins and Mr. Sampson approached the Bench. 4 SUPREME COURT The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. Irving G. M cNayr Mr. Perry requested warrant to examine it before de fendants were arraigned. (Defendants arraigned before the Court.) The Court: Are these the ones named in the warrant charged with breach of the peace, Columbia, South Carolina, on March 2nd, 1961? Defendants: (In unison) Yes, sir. The Court: Were you released on bonds for appear ance in this court? Defendants: (In unison) Yes. The Court: How do you plead to the charge, guilty or not guilty? Mr. Jenkins: As counsel for the defendants, may I speak? At this time, Your Honor, the defendants each enter a plea of not guilty. The Court: You will all take seats, please. Are the defendants ready for trial? Mr. Perry: The defendants are ready. The Court: Is the State ready? Mr. Coleman: The State is ready. Whereupon, Mr. Coleman called Irving G. M cNayr who, being first duly sworn, testified as follows: Direct Examination By Mr. Coleman: Q. Mr. McNayr, I believe you are the City Manager of the City of Columbia? A. I am, sir. Q. As such, do your duties require you to supervise the activities of the Columbia City Police Department? A. Yes, sir. I have direct supervision of the City Police Department. SUPREME COURT 5 Appeal from Richland County Irving G. M cNayr Q. Do you have anjr personal knowledge of the inci- dent alleged in the warrant just read by the Judge, which allegedly occurred in the City of Columbia, in and around the State House grounds, on March the 2nd last involving the defendants on trial here today? A. Yes, sir. I was present all during the proceedings. Q. Would you please relate to the Court in your own words exactly what occurred with regard to any matter about which you have personal knowledge, so far as this charge is concerned? A. Yes. At approximately 10:30 on the morning of March the 2nd I was called by Chief of Police Campbell 18 and informed that he had word that a meeting was to be held at at the Zion Baptist Church on lower Wash ington Street, and that it was understood that students attending that meeting would then proceed to the State House grounds to demonstrate. Mr. Perry: We object to that testimony and moved that it be stricken on the grounds of hearsay, under the rule of hearsay. Mr. Coleman: The City Manager has not testified to the facts; he is merely relating the official informa- is tion received from his Chief of Police, which motivated his appearance. He has not said that the march had ac- tuallv started or there would actually be one. He mere- ]v stated that it was his information from his Chief of Police that there might possibly be a march, merely setting out his motivation for his actions. The Court: We will sustain the objection. In my opinion, it would be hearsay which Chief Campbell said to Mr. McNayr. Q. Mr. McNayr, what did you actually do, without relating what Chief Campbell or any one might have told you? 20 6 The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. SUPREME COURT_________ Irving (t. McNayr A. I asked Chief Campbell to pick me ap in the im mediate future in his car and drive me to the Zion Baptist Church. He did that and we arrived at the church at approximately a quarter of eleven. Numer ous youths were entering the basement area of the church at the time. On the outside was David Carter, whom I had known in the street demonstrations here over the past months and the past year. I talked with David Carter and asked for information as to what was going on. I received a completely evasive answer. He informed me that they were simply holding a meet ing. I asked him— Mr. Perry: May it please the Court, I object to this line of testimony on the grounds that David Carter is not among the defendants who are on trial here this morning. The conversation with a person not on trial at this proceeding is likewise violation of the rule against hearsay. If the conversation had been with one of these defendants, I think perhaps it would be an exception to the hearsay rule, but we respectfully urge that this particular testimony is in violation of the hearsay rule. We also move that the testimony re lating to the full conversation with David Carter be stricken. Mr. Coleman: If Your Honor please, there has been no testimony as to what David Carter said. He is merely relating his activities on that day, which had generally to do with the demonstration which later occurred on the State House Grounds, out of which a charge against the defendants arose. We have no de sire for him to relate his conversation with David Carter. Mr. Perry: In reply, may I say, Sir, that David Car ter, not being on trial, I believe Mr. McNayr has stated SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland County 7 Irving G. M cNayk that Carter was evasive and Carter, not being on trial, is not in position of defending himself against this statement. Mr. Coleman: We will agree to strike the reference to David Carter and the answer being in the evidence. The Court: Objection sustained on the ground that defense has brought out, David Carter is not on trial here today. Objection is sustained. Strike that. A. Mr. Coleman, I ’m going to find it extremely dif ficult to give you the chain of events if I ’m not allowed to state the actual chain of events. Q. Mr. McNayr, where did you go after you left Zion Baptist Church'? A. When the group of students, apparent students, came out of the church, Chief Campbell drove me to the entrance of the State House Grounds. By that time, the students had started marching in groups of any where from fifteen to twenty-five, just prior to our leaving the church area. We, then, stayed on the State House grounds and conferred with Mr. Harry Walker of the Governor’s Office, awaiting the students and they soon appeared walking up Gervais Street. When they appeared at the grounds, still coming in groups, they were instructed to remain in those groups as they stayed on the sidewalk, and Mr. Walker then talked with each group and the apparent leader of each group and instructed them, in my hearing. He first questioned them as to what— Mr. Perry: May it please the Court, again we object to conversation with Mr. Harry Walker with the de fendants on the ground that it violates the hearsay rule. Mr. Walker may perhaps testify in this proceed ing himself. I respectfully submit anything Mr. Mc Nayr might have said himself to these persons, by way 8 SUPREME COURT The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. Irving G. M cNayr of giving an official demand, he can say but, very re spectfully, any other order that was conveyed to the defendants by any other officer or any other person in authority would be violation of the hearsay rule. The Court: Objection sustained. Strike it from the record. Go ahead. Q. Mr. McNaj^r, did you, yourself, have any conver sation with these marchers, these defendants, at the time? A. Not when they first appeared, no, sir. Q. What was the general situation when you first got there, so far as the crowd around the State House? Mr. Perry: Objection to the use of the word “ crowd”. Q. Was there a crowd around the State House? A. There was not what I would call a crowd when we first arrived at the scene. Q. Who was there ? A. Primarily, officers of the South Carolina Law Enforcement Division, a few State Highway Patrol officers, a number of policemen, Mr. Walker, whom I mentioned briefly just now. Q, Did anything thereafter occur which made it in cumbent upon you, in your opinion, in your official capaeitv, to take any action? Mr. Perry: I didn’t hear the question. Q. Did anything occur thereafter, after your arrival at the State House grounds, at the horseshoe? A. Yes. Q. Anything occur thereafter which made it incum bent upon you, in your opinion, in your official capacity as City Manager, to take any official action? A. Yes, it did. Q. What was it that occurred? A. The groups were allowed to go in small groups— SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland County 9 Irving Gf. M cNayr Q. What groups'? A. The groups of young Negro students, within groups to travel through the State House grounds. I did not grant them authority to do that. This will prob ably be objected to but Mr. Harry Walker granted that authority. Mr. Perry: We do so object. Q. What was the approximate size of the crowd of young Negro students? A. I estimated it, at the time, at around 200. Q. At what time, Mr. McNayr, was it that these stu dents first made their appearance in and about the State House grounds? A. They first made their appearance somewhere be tween a quarter of twelve and twelve o’clock. Q. Did you have any conversation with them at that time or any one who made himself known to you as their leader? A. Yes, I did, on various occasions during the period they were there. Q. Did you give any official instructions to these young Negro students at this time? A. Yes, I did. I asked them to remain in small groups. I asked them not to block the sidewalk or walkways or street in any way. I told them they must remain in such groups. Q. What time was this approximately? Do you re member? A. This was approximately between the period of their arrival and right around 12:00 o’clock, within the first fifteen minutes of their arrival. Q. Did I understand you to say that they were not interefered with at that time? A. They were not interfered with. The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. Irving G. M cNayr Q. Did they proceed to walk, march, move about in any way in and around the State House grounds ? A. Yes, they did. They proceeded to walk around the State House grounds still in the groups. Q. How long did this procedure continue? A. This procedure continued for between a half and three-quarters of an hour. Q. Did anything thereafter occur which caused you to take further official action? A. Yes. Following their proceeding through the State House grounds, they then started to gather on 38 the sidewalk. Q, “ They”—who are you referring to? A. I ’m referring to approximately 200 students with the stated intention of again going through the grounds and demonstrating. They gathered on the sidewalks and also began to accumulate in front of the drive, the horseshoe as you have described it. Q. That’s where the monument stands right directly in front of the State House steps ? A. Yes. By this time, a large group of bystanders 39 had gathered, not only on the State House side or in the horseshoe side but on the opposite side of Oervais Street, blocking the walkways where Main enters Ger- vais on both sides of Main. It was also a tendency to block the walkways leading from the Capitol going towards Main Street. Q. Did you have occasion to observe these onlook ers? From where were they coming? Did you see that? A. They were coming, as nearly as I could deter mine, they were coming down Main and collecting on ̂ the other side, near the Wade Hampton Hotel, on my left facing Main, also down Main, I can’t remember the name of the building. In addition to that, many 10 SUPREME COURT SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland County 11 Irving Gr. M cNayr State employees—this was just approximately the lunch hour, I assume, for State employees—were com ing from the State Capitol building and from the var ious office buildings back of the Capitol, moving through the horseshoe area on to Main Street. Q. Did it appear to you that the crowd was being attracted by the students? Mr. Perry: I object to that, Your Honor. I object to the question on the grounds that it calls for a conclu sion on the part of this witness. The Court: I didn’t understand the question. Mr. Coleman: I asked did it appear to Mr. McNayr that the activity of the students was attracting by standers, the onlookers. The Court: Objection overruled. A. There is no question about the fact that they were attracting bystanders. Many, I ’m sure, were on their way to lunch and I ’m sure the activities taking place caused them to stop and watch what was going on. Q. Mr. McNayr, with reference to this horseshoe or place right in front of the State House, are there side walks on both sides leading up to the State House and State House grounds and is there also a roadway for vehicular traffic? A. There is. There is a roadway used primarily for the parking of State Capitol workers and officials. 0. Now, at the time when you first noticed a crowd of people— Mr. Perry: Again we object to the use of the word “ crowd” . I move that it be stricken. May I state to the Court at this time, the use of the word “ crowd” seems to imply certain unlawfulness to the manner of the assembly and, therefore, since Your Honor is going to be called upon to determine the lawfulness or unlawful- 12 SUPREME COURT The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. Irving (I. M cNayr ness of the various assemblages which occurred on this date, the use of the word “ crowd” in counsel promul gating the questions tends to set the stage for the par ticular flavor, I think, upon which the State is relying upon. Now, I request that the Court require counsel and the witness to simply say what they saw. They saw a group of people standing, they can say that without the use of the word “ crowd”. That, at this particular time, carries with it an unpleasant connotation, which we are attempting to get around. Mr. Coleman: If Tour Honor please, “ crowd” is a perfectly good English word, to my knowledge, and in the definition of it, I cannot see any connotation of un lawfulness whatsoever. I ’ll admit my intonation may be susceptible to some interpretation but not with re gard to that word. I do not mind substituting another; I think their objection is entirely unbased. The Court: Objection overruled. Q. Can you estimate the number of the persons who did gather in and around this horseshoe by the time that it became apparent to you that some further of ficial action on your part would be necessary? A. I would estimate the number of persons, in addi tion to the student groups, to be in the neighborhood of 250 to 300 people. Q. Now, with relation, Mr. McNayr, to the sidewalks around the horseshoe and the lane for vehicular traffic, how was the crowd distributed, with regard to those sidewalks and roadways! A. Well, the conditions varied from time to time, but at numerous times they were blocked almost com pletely with probably as many as thirty or forty per sons, both on the sidewalks and in the street area. SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland County 13 Irving G. M cNayr Q. Would you say or state whether or not, in your 49 opinion, this crowd did impede both vehicular and pe destrian traffic along the horseshoe? A. To the best of my knowledge, I can’t recall a vehicle trying to get in or out of the horseshoe. If one had attempted to, it would have impeded the en trance and exit to the horseshoe. Q. Did you observe the pedestrian traffic on the walkway ? A. Yes, I did. Q. What was the condition there? A. The condition there was that it was extremely 50 difficult for a pedestrian wanting to get through, to get through. Many of them took to the street area, even to get through the street area or the sidewalk. Q. Mr. McNayr, from the time that you first ap peared on the scene at the horseshoe at the State House and observed the young students and their activities, from this time up until the time that you took further official action, can you give us approximately the length of time involved? A. It was approximately three-quarters of an hour. 51 Q. In other words, they were permitted to march in and around and about the State House grounds for approximately three-quarters of an hour without in terference? A. That’s correct. Q. All right. After this three-quarters of an hour, did you take further official action in regard to the young students or the crowd or anything else? A. Yes, I did. As I saw the crowds gathering, the sidewalks being blocked and recognizing that the lunch 62 hour was just starting, I was also aware of the ad- jacenc}^ of the University of South Carolina and the 14 The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. SUPREME COURT _______ Irving G. M cNayr possibility of larger groups of students coming forth from there and the accumulation of the student groups along the sidewalk area, I called for Dave Carter and told him that I felt the situation was becoming dan gerous and told him that the group would have to be dispersed, that they should be dispersed and sent away in small groups, as they had arrived, and told him— Mr. Perry: May it please the Court, we now object to this line of testimony on the ground that the same is purely conjectural and speculative. Mr. McNayr has stated that he realized the possibility of students from the University of South Carolina coming and he thought of other possibilities and he thought of this and that and, therefore, after sifting these various pos sibilities through his mind, he decided to take a course of action. I respectfully submit that this testimony is purely speculative. There is no evidence that any stu dent from the University of South Carolina came out and attempted to involve themselves with the Negro students. There is no evidence, as I understand Mr. McNayr’s testimony, of anybody else attempting to do them violence and so Mr. McNayr testifies about the various possibilities in a purely conjectural manner and we are not able actually to pin down the various possibilities which he testifies about. I respectfully urge that this testimony is objectionable and I submit that the Court should strike it from the record. Mr. Coleman: If Your Honor please, Mr. McNayr was present on the scene as an official of the City of Columbia. In his official capacity, he supervises and has charge of the City Police Department. Incidents occurred in this horseshoe which made it his duty to take some action and I ’m merely asking him to relate and he had so far related what official action he had SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland County 15 Irving Gr. M cNayr taken and why he took it, why he took that action. I see nothing speculative and I see no conjecture what soever in it. Mr. Perry: I think, Your Honor, there’s no question about Mr. McNayr testifying as to what he did but when he says the reason he did it was the possibility that someone else was going to come from somewhere else and so forth, he enters the realm of conjecture and we respectfully submit that that is objectionable. Q. Mr. McNayr, what action did you take? A. I instructed Dave Carter to tell each of these groups, to call them up and tell each of the groups and the group leaders that they must disperse, they must disperse in the manner which I have already described, that I would give them fifteen minutes from the time of my conversation with him to have them dispersed and, if they were not dispersed, I would direct my Chief of Police to place them under arrest. Q. What then occurred? A. Following my instructions, Dave Carter did call up each group. Q. This was within your hearing? A. This was within my hearing. I was standing ad jacent to him and did follow him from place to place as he moved about. Rather than give instructions in the calm way in which I had given them to him, he har angued each group with a religious, chanting type of voice— Mr. Perry: Your Honor, we object to anything on behalf of David Carter. David Carter is not a defend ant in this case. We respectfully submit that testimony with reference to any conversation of David Carter violates the hearsay rule. 16 SUPREME COURT The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. Irving G. M cNayr The Court: Objection sustained. Q. Did you give any instructions to the students who were participating in this activity as to dispersal of the marching groups'? A. None other than to their recognized leader, David Carter. Q. With regard to the student groups, which as you have testified had marched in and attempted some dem onstration on the State House grounds, did you hear any unusual noise or anything which made it appear to you that further official action should be taken? A. Yes. We had this chanting, religious type ap proach to arousing the group of students. Q. On the part of you or any police officer, acting under your direction, was there a general purpose to disperse the entire crowd, which had gathered, or not? A. Yes. Q. Then, your purpose, stated briefly, in issuing this order— Mr. Perry: Your Honor, I respectfully submit that the City Manager has demonstrated himself as a very able -witness and can make his own testimony. The Court: Objection sustained. Mr. Coleman: If Your Honor please, surely the wit ness, no matter how capable he is, can respond to a question. I don’t exactly understand that objection. Mr. Perry: My objection was that the question was leading. I ’m awfully sorry. Q. Officially, your official action, Mr. McNayr, with reference to that, what was your reason for dispersing this crowd? A. My official reason for dispersing the crowd was to avoid possible conflict, riot and dangers to the gen- SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland County 17 Irving G. M cNayr eral public, and, of course, included in the general pub lic, was danger to these various students themselves. Mr. Perry: Your Honor, may it please the Court, we object to the answer of the witness on the ground that the same is conjectural and speculative. It is too in definite to give these defendants anything to meet in the form of real evidence. I think to that extent the witness can say what he did. Certainly the rules of evi dence will permit him to do so. It is for this Court, we respectfully pray, to say whether or not what he did was proper. Now, as to what motivated the witness, we submit that the answer that the witness has just given is conjectural and speculative and we move that it be stricken. Mr. Coleman: If Your Honor please, the City Mana ger took official action as the man in charge of using the City Police Department at that time. Certainly he has the right to say why he took that action. It is as simple as that. He has not speculated on any fact. He hasn’t said anything was going to happen. He said it appeared to him that in those circumstances that some thing could happen. He is really a police official. He is charged with the duty of observing all of these circum stances and if it should appear to him that there arises a danger to public peace, it is his duty to take action and I can see absolutely no objection to this witness stating why, in his official capacity, as a man in charge of the City Police Department, he took the drastic ac tion of arrest. Mr. Perry: Now, Your Honor, if he says that testi mony about a riot is not conjectural, my answer to that is there is no testimony here that any riot took place, so that’s conjectural, purely speculative, if anybody 18 The State v. James Edwards, Jr, et al. ________ SUPREME COURT_________ Irving G. M cNayr gg talks about a riot at this time. There is no evidence at all in this case concerning an inclination on the part of anybody to commit a riot or to do violence toward any body. I respectfully submit that this witness can testi fy as to what he did. His reasons are his own and should not become a part of the record in this case. There is further some question about this witness’ official capacity to act upon the State House grounds. The Court: Objection overruled. Q. Mr. McNayr, did you hear or observe anything on the part of these students, that were there in your 70 presence, which indicated to you that there might be a possible danger to the community1? Mr. Perry: That question is leading. Mr. Coleman: I haven’t said anything about any riot. Mr. Perry: The question is leading. We object to it. Mr. Coleman: He can state whether or not he saw or heard anything which indicated that official action was necessary. The Court: Objection overruled. A. Yes, I did. 71 Q. You have already testified, Mr. McNayr, I be lieve, that you did order these students dispersed with in fifteen minutes ? A. Yes. Q. Did they disperse in accordance with your order? A. They did not. Q. What then occurred? A. I then asked Chief of Police Campbell to direct his men to line up the students and march them or 72 place them under arrest and march them to the City Jail and the County Jail. Appeal from Richland County Irving G. M cNayr Q. They were placed nnder arrest! A. They were placed under arrest. Cross Examination By Mr. Perry: Q. How long have you served as City Manager of Columbia! A. Approximately five years. Q. I see. As I understand it, a part of your duties as City Manager happens to be the supervision of the Police Department! A. That’s correct. Q. Now, your duties, as City Manager of the City of Columbia, I believe, take in the full boundaries of the City of Columbia, do they not! A. Yes, they do. Q. Do they take you upon the State House grounds! A. It is my understanding that they do. Q. Now, maybe you and I have some difference of opinion concerning your jurisdiction, as I understand it. Do your City Police police the State House grounds! A. Yes, they have authority to police the State House grounds. Q. Mr. McNayr, to your own knowledge, do you know who owns the title to the State House grounds! A. To the best of my knowledge, the State House grounds are owned by the State of South Carolina. Q. And not by the City of Columbia! !A. Not by the City of Columbia. Q. For instance, the City of Columbia does not have the right to tax that property! A. If they have, they have never exercised it. SUPREME COURT 19 20 SUPREME COURT The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al._______ Irving G. M cNayr Q. Mr. McNayr, perhaps the Court will make a rul- 77 mg some time later concerning this matter of the right of the police to enter upon the State House grounds. A. Let me clarify that position. You must under stand that we were there working in cooperation with the State agencies, at the request of the State agencies. We feel that we have a cooperative arrangement with all State and local agencies here in the City and in this area whereby we cooperate fully with the Sheriffs of the various counties, with SLED, with State Highway Patrol. They were all present and had officers present 78 at this time and we were cooperating fully in this action. Q. I understand, Sir. As to who called who, that might also be some matter of— A. I can clarify that too. Q. You had information first that there was a meet ing at Zion Baptist Church, didn’t you? A. That is correct. Q. Sir, did SLED give you that information? A. I ’m sure that it came through the South Carolina 79 Law Enforcement Division because at the scene there were officers from that group. Q. Did they convey to you— Mr. Coleman: That is entirely irrelevant. Mr. Perry: We are on cross examination and we have a right to explore this subject. Mr. Coleman: Cross examination should stick to the issues. Mr. Perry: I submit that this is not irrelevant. I think that basically we are dealing with the problem 80 of what motivated the police on this occasion and we are entitled to explore it. We ask the Court to permit SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland County 21 Irving G. M cNayr us wide latitude on cross examination as the Supreme Court of this State has held repeatedly that we are en titled to that. Mr. Coleman: If Your Honor please, these defend ants here are charged with the specific crime of breach of the peace. Mr. McNayr has testified as to what he did with regard to the circumstances leading up to the charge made against these defendants. How could it be possibly relevant where Mr. McNayr got his informa tion. I think we would be going down a rabbit road to try to ferret out all these possible sources of informa tion. He may have gotten it from fifty people. He may have gotten it over the telephone from some unknown individual. I don’t think it makes any difference. Mr. Perry: May it please the Court, I think along the broad issue of Mr. McNavr’s authority to act in a policing capacity on this occasion is in issue and we respectfully submit that we have the right to cross ex amine him. The Court: Pertaining to the authority on the Capi tol grounds, that’s not the question before the Court. Mr. Perry: I respectfully submit that it is and Your Honor will be required to rule on it. The Court: Objection overruled. Mr. Coleman: I believe the last question was the further questioning along the line of where this infor mation came from to Mr. McNayr. The objection now is to the further questioning now of Mr. McNayr as to the source of the information in regards to this march. The Court: The objection is sustained. I don’t be lieve it pertains to the issue in this case. Q. ,As I understand it, sir, you cooperated with the Columbia City Police Department, the Richland Coun- 22 The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. SUPREME COURT_________ Irving G. McNayr ty Sheriff Department and the South Carolina Law Enforcement Division on this occasion? A. On this and other occasions. Q. I ’m talking about this occasion. A. Yes. Q. On this occasion you cooperated with the South Carolina Law Enforcement Division? A. Yes, we did. Q. Did the Law Enforcement Division call you or did you call the Law Enforcement Division? Mr. Coleman: Objection. The Court: The Court has ruled that out, the source of information. Rephrase your question, if you can. Q. Now, when you went over to the State House grounds on this occasion, how many police officers of the Columbia City Police did you have with you? A. I can’t give an exact number. Q. Would you give us an estimate, please, sir, you are head of the Police Department, I believe. A. I would estimate that there were between thirty to thirty-five officers over there. Q. I see. Was the Chief of Columbia Police present? A. Yes, he was. Q. Nevertheless, you, as City Manager, were in com mand? A. I don’t particularly like your words “ in com mand” . We were working cooperatively together. Q. Your position is one of authority. You are over him. A. That is correct. Q. And in matters where both of you see fit to ex ercise your duties, one of you obviously has to be in charge? SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland County 23 Irving G. M cNayr jA. That’s right. Q. And, in this particular situation then, the City Manager would be? A. Normally, yes. Q. Was the City Manager in command on this oc casion? A. Yes. Q. Now, sir, he stated that the group of Negroes students entered the State House grounds. Where did they first enter? Did they enter, for instance, at the horseshoe or down near Assembly Street or near Sum- 98 ter Street? A. The primary group entered at the horseshoe. Q. I see. Now, you speak of the primary group, why do you speak of them in that manner? Were they divi ded into small groups? A. They were divided into small groups and I did observe one group at the tail end of the larger group entering the grounds from the Assembly Street corner. Q. Approximately what was the size of the various groups ? 9i A. They varied in size from fifteen people to pos sibly thirty. Q. I see. Now, as they were walking along the pub lic streets, how were they formed? Were they single file or in groups? A. They were in pairs. Q. In pairs? A. That’s correct. Q. Column of twos, in other words? A. Column of twos. 92 24 SUPREME COURT The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. Irving G. M cNayr Q. And each group consisted of anywhere from fif teen to thirty. Would you estimate the size of the first or primary group? A. When I speak of primary, I ’m talking about the larger groups that moved up towards the horseshoe, and I would say there were probably 150 of those and about thirty that I observed going on the State House grounds down below, which I would term a secondary group. Q. I ’m sorry. I don’t believe I understand your testi mony. Did not they all enter from the same direction or did they enter from different directions'? A. They entered originally from the same direction.. Q. Did they all enter in from the horseshoe? A. They did not all enter by the horseshoe, accord ing to my observation. Q. I see. If they did not enter all by the horseshoe, where did another group enter? A. I guess you would describe it as the corner of Gervais and Assembly Streets. Q. I see. A. I ’m not certain of the original group movement. All did not come forward or enter through the horse shoe. It may have been that they did and that later on I saw a group going back up from the corner of As sembly Street into this area. Q. Where were you stationed at that particular time, Mr. McNayr? A. I was stationed at the entrance to the horseshoe, adjacent to Blossom Street. In other words, the west ern entrance I guess you would describe it. Q. I ’m sorry, I ’m a little bit mixed up at the mo ment. Did I understand that the State House grounds SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland County 25 Irving G. M cNayr are surrounded by Gervais Street on one side of the horseshoe, that we speak of enters from the Gervais Street side, and near the Post Office you have Sumter Street, and to the rear that is Senate Street and, then, over on the Eastern side Assembly Street. Now, I ’m sorry but I thought I heard you say Blossom Street? A. If I did, I was in error. I meant Assembly Street. I meant to say Assembly Street, which would be the Eastern entrance to the horseshoe. Q. You were at the Eastern entrance? A. That’s correct. Q. At the Assembly Street entrance? A. At the entrance nearest Assembly Street on Ger vais, of course. Q. Is that entrance down near the corner of Gervais .and Assembly? A. No, I ’m talking about the horseshoe, which is di rectly opposite Main Street with the monument in the center. The entrance that I ’m talking about is that eastern most part of the horseshoe, facing Main Street. Q. Were you inside the horseshoe or were you inside the walk or outside? A. I was on the sidewalk, just outside or on, which ever way you want to describe it. Q. How many officers were in your particular group? A. In the immediate vicinity? Q. Yes, Sir. A. Very few, not over two or three. Q. Was Mr. Henry Walker of the Governor’s Office present? A. Yes, he was. Q. Was your Chief of Police present? 26 SUPREME COURT The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. Irving G. M cNayr A. Yes, he was. Q. Were a few other of your officers present? A. Yes, they were. Q. I believe you said that the primary group entered by the horseshoe and walked around the State House grounds. Did you accompany them around the State House grounds? A. You raised an objection previously when I tried to tell you the chain of events leading there. I ’d be most happy now to do it, if you’d like to hear it. Q. My question is : did you accompany them? A. I did not accompany them. Q. You did not accompany them? A. That’s right. Before the Court can get the whole chain of events, and I ’m sure you want them to have the chain of events, I would like very much to tell the Court exactly what happened because I ’m interested in justice in this case, too. Q. I ’m certainly happy to know that, Mr. McNayr, and if we can get it without undue speculation on any body’s part, I ’m sure that His Honor would be in a much better position to determine his views. A. Would you agree to my stating the chain of events ? Q. I would be most happy to have you do so. A. When the groups approached the State House grounds at the horseshoe, they were met by Mr. Harry Walker of the Governor’s Office. Mr. Walker pro ceeded, in my presence— Q. Mr. McNayr, you will recognize that we are speaking of a legal technicality. It is not my purpose to keep you from telling the chain of events but it must come of your own observation and not from— SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland County 27 Irving G. M cNayr A. This is coming from my own observation and within my hearing. Mr. Perry: Your Honor, previously we have object ed to statements made by Mr. Walker and Your Honor has ruled on those and I ’m afraid I must stick with my objection on that particular point. The Court: Objection sustained. Mr. Perry: We’d be glad to have Mr. Walker come and I might say we’ve invited Governor Hollings and we’d be glad to have him come. I ’m sure that we want all of the official light thrown on this case that we could possibly have, but we respectfully urge that Mr. Mc Nayr can tell what he personally saw. A. This I did personally see and hear but you seem to object to my speaking what I heard and saw. Q. May I just stick with the line of questioning, Mr. McNayr. As I understand it then, you did not personal ly accompany the group around the State House grounds ? A. No, I did not. Q. All right, Sir. Did any of your officers accompany the group around the State House? A. I ’m not certain that any of my officers did. I know that there were officers, SLED people, there were State Highway Patrol people and I believe that some of my officers walked with them, too, around the grounds but I can’t state that categorically. Q. But the group walked in columns of two on the sidewalk into the horseshoe, is that correct? A. That’s right. Q. Are you able, of your own knowledge, to say what course they took as they walked around the State House grounds? SUPREME COURT The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al._______ Irving G. M cNayr A. No, I ’m not. Q. Did you see this group at any other time after they might have gone around and come back again? A. Yes, I did. Q. Were you stationed exactly where you had been stationed previously? A. Except across the horseshoe, on the other side of the horseshoe, on the public side. Q. I think I understood you to say, if I ’m wrong cor rect me, that some of the young people were carrying signs ? A. You didn’t understand me to say that. Q. I ’m very sorry, Sir. Were the defendants speaks ing to each other? A. I would assume they were unless there was some enmity between them, they were bound to be. Q. That does not answer my question, Mr. McNayr. Of your knowledge, did you observe them saying any thing to each other or to anybody? A. If I may, if it please the Court, the attorney seems to be willing to take my word for some hearsay and not for others. He objected to what Mr. Walker had to say but he’s not objecting to what these people had to say. The Court: If I understand it, the defense attorney is not asking what was said. He is asking did you hear any words or any noises between the defendants, as I understand it. A. The air was full of noises, of course. People were talking and jabbering and carrying on. Q. That still does not answer my question. Did the young people, the young Negroes, make any noises among themselves? SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland County 29 Ibving G. M cNaye A. Yes. Q. What did they say? The Court: The Court will have to rule out that question of what they said. As I ruled previously, that is hearsay. Mr. Perry: Yes, Sir. Q. When they first entered the horseshoe area, I be lieve you said that there were only a few officers pres ent, not many bystanders, the bystanders later came, as the walking ensued? A. That’s right. Q. So that you were able to see and observe and hear a great deal at that time, which you may not have been able to hear when the group became larger? A. Yes. Q. Would that be correct? A. That’s correct. Q. Were the Negro college students or other stu dents well demeaned? Were they well dressed and were they orderly? A. Yes, they were. Q. That was really what I was getting to. You re gard them as an orderly group of persons? A. Yes, they were up to the point when I asked them to disperse. Q. I understand. I understand you perfectly. There was nothing about their demeanor, their appearance, their dress nor their conduct which violated any law that you have any knowledge of, was there? ,A. Now, I can’t answer specifically on that. I did not originally state that they were carrying placards, but they were carrying placards, whether that’s a violation 30 SUPREME COURT The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. Irving G. M cNayr of the law, I ’m not free to say but, other than that, they were well demeaned. Q. You did not observe any boisterous conduct on their part? A. Not initially, no. Q. Mr. McNayr, I believe you said that you had stationed around the State House grounds approxi mately thirty officers of the Columbia City Police? A. I think it would be better to say that Chief Camp bell had stationed them around the grounds. Q. You said that Chief Campbell had about thirty. Now, did Chief Strom have a group of officers present? A. There was a group of officers present from SLED. Q. Would you estimate the size of Chief Strom’s group? A. I ’d find it difficult for many of Chief Strom’s men are not known to me personally. Q. Then, in addition to the thirty Columbia City Police, there were a number of South Carolina Law Enforcement Division men? A. That’s right. Q. Were there also many from the Richland County Sheriff’s Department? A. I ’m not at all certain. Q. I believe you previously stated that on this oc casion you were in touch with the Sheriff’s Office and the South Carolina Law Enforcement Division? A. I said we were cooperating. We have called them on this and other occasions. Q. You do not specifically recall that there were men from the Sheriff’s Office present? SUPBEME COUBT Appeal from Bichland County 31 Irving G. M cNayr A. No, there, again, I ’m not personally familiar with the various officers in the Sheriff’s Office. Q. Now, since this was during the noon hour or ap proaching the noon hour, you have stated that during the lunch hour many of the people began to congregate around the State House grounds? A. Yes. Q. Can you describe the apparent attitude of the group that congregated as the Negro students walked around ? By that I mean, I am quite frankly asking you whether or not they were apparently curious or was their attitude hostile or was it otherwise? A. My attorney is not objecting but I ’d like to in form the Court that this is the very line of questioning which the attorney objected to just a short time ago, conjecture on the part of the witness. Mr. Coleman: If Your Honor please, I have no ob jection to Mr. McNayr answering the question. It’s a proper question. The Court: The witness will answer. A. I would say initially the crowd could be best de scribed as curious as to what was going on. Q. Initially? A. Initially. Q. Are you in a position to estimate the size of the group of persons, on-lookers, who congregated around the State House during the time the student group at tempted to walk around? . A. I think I have already testified to that. ^ ' Q. I ’m not sure you have. A. I would estimate it at around 250 to 300 people and I’m not an authority on the size of crowds. 32 SUPREME COURT The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. Irving G. M cNayr Q. I believe yon estimated abont 200 Negro students walking around? A. Yes. Q. I have reference to the group of on-lookers; that’s the ones I was asking about. rA. That’s the group that I have reference to also. Q. Where did the group of on-lookers congregate? Did they congregate at the horseshoe or all around the State House grounds? A. I have previously testified this: that they may well have been all around the State House grounds but, if they were, they were beyond my observation, and, if there were on-lookers on the whole area, the estimate of numbers would probably have risen two or three times. I don’t know. The people that I saw were con gregated right around the horseshoe area, many backed up into the driveway, into the horseshoe area, across the sidewalk on the lawns adjacent to the horse shoe area and across Gervais Street, on the corner of Main and Gervais, on both corners of Main and Ger vais. m Q. Did they block the street? A. There was blocking of the sidewalks, not the streets. Q. So, the on-lookers blocked the sidewalks? A. There was blocking of the sidewalks—yes. Q. Did you take any official action against the on lookers who were congregating on the streets? A. I didn’t have an opportunity to, sir. Q. You had an opportunity to say something to the Negroes? 128 A. Not only to the Negroes, but to the whites on the side of the street where I was located. SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland County 33 Irving G. M cNayr Q. Now, sir, do I understand you to say that you did take official action to have the on-lookers move on or that you did not? A. We took official action to have them clear the sidewalks in the area adjacent to where we were stand ing—yes. Q. ,As far as you can determine the appearance of the group of on-lookers, were they merely curious? A. You’re talking about as the demonstration went on? Q. Yes, sir. A. It’s difficult to say. I ’m afraid that curiosity changes and brings forth possible elements which could create difficulty. Q. Did you see any of those possible elements? A. Yes, I did, as I have on every occasion when these groups have demonstrated. Q. Speaking of this particular occasion, did you see the possible elements there that day? A. Yes. Q. Who were those persons? A. I can’t tell you who they were. I can tell you they were present in the group. They were recognized as possible trouble makers. Q. Did you and your police chief do anything about placing those people under arrest? A. No, we had no occasion to place them under arrest. Q. Now, sir, you have stated that there were pos sible trouble makers and your whole testimony has been that, as City Manager, as supervisor of the City Police, your object is to preserve the peace and law and order? 34 SUPREME COURT The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. Irving Gr. M cNayr A. That’s right. Q. Yet you took no official action against people who were present and possibly might have done some harm to these people! A. We took no official action because there was none to be taken. They were not creating a disturbance, those particular people were not at that time doing anything to make trouble but they could have been. Q. Did you order them off the State House grounds ! A. They were not on the State House grounds, those that I observed. Q. Did you order them off the streets adjacent! A. They were on public sidewalks and we made them clear the sidewalks so that people could get through. Q. You don’t know who these people were but never theless you recognized them as trouble makers! A. I don’t know them by name—no. Q. But the minute you spotted them, you knew they were trouble makers! A. I knew there was a possibility of trouble there. Q. Yet you took no official action against them! A. The official action I took was to get rid of the cause of the possible difficulties. Q. But you just said the Negro students weren’t doing anything wrong, that is, in terms of misde meanor! A. They were not obeying lawful orders, what I con sider lawful orders in dispersing. They were the cause of the group gathering. The group, the so-called trouble makers, would never have appeared had it not been for the demonstration taking place. Q. Did you talk to the trouble makers! A. No, I did not. 136 SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland County 35 Irving Gr. M cNayr Q. You don’t know why they appeared, do you! A. I think it’s quite apparent why they appeared. It’s apparent to you and it’s apparent to me and it’s apparent to the population of this area why they ap peared. Q. Yet, if it was so apparent that they were trouble makers and they had come because of this situation, your chief law enforcement official of the City of Co lumbia took no official action by placing them under arrest? A. I took official action by moving the cause of the possible difficulty. *> Mr. Coleman: If Your Honor please, I ’m hesitant to interrupt counsel in this cross examination, however, if I have counted correctly Mr. McNayr has answered that same question four times and I can’t see any point in belaboring that point. He said he did not place them under arrest, he said he had no reason to and I can’t see any purpose in stretching this thing out in terminably. The Court: Objection sustained. Q. Mr. McNayr, you have stated that you knew one man whom you identified as the apparent leader of student movements in Columbia! A. Yes. Q. Do you know any of the other students who were involved! A. I know them only by sight. Q. Do you know all of them by sight! A. No, that would be impossible. Q. Thank you, sir. Do you know the defendants in this case by sight! A. I don’t believe so, no. 36 The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. _________ SUPREME COURT_________ Irving G. M cNayr Q. So, you’re not really able to identify them as re gards their activity in any particular part or anything that might have happened that day? A. I think I might recognize one or two out of the group of eight. Q. So far as you know, did any of the officers having any authority concurrent with yours place any of the other persons under arrest, who were recognized as trouble makers? A. Not to my knowledge. 142 Q. So, that no one, not the South Carolina Law En forcement Division, the Columbia Sheriff’s Depart ment, the Columbia Police Department nor in fact the Governor’s Office, took any action against other per sons who were recognized by you as being trouble makers on this occasion? A. If I may, I think you may have misunderstood what I said. I said they were possible trouble makers. If I may continue, I ’m talking about what we described as the long-haired kids, who appear on the streets of Columbia on these occasions; I ’m talking about some of 143 our rougher element, who tend to appear on the oc casions of these demonstrations. I may have misused the word “ trouble makers” . They are potential trouble. They represent to me trouble. Q. Mr. McNayr, is it the policy of your administra tion, when persons whom you recognize as poential makers— Mr. Coleman: Objection, Tour Honor. We are getting into something that has absolutely nothing to do with the facts in this case. The policy of the City Manager might embrace a hundred factors, which would have nothing to do with this case. He has testi- SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland County 37 Irving G. M cNayr lied as to the actions; certainly he cannot cross ex amine on any part he has testified to only as far as the facts and what he has done on the scene. Why get into the field of policy and why things are done? That is ridiculous. Mr. Perry: I just wanted to know, Your Honor, whether or not a gangster, here on our streets, would stop me from walking down the streets and you’d put me in jail—why not put the gangster in jail? The Court: Objection sustained. We’re getting too far out as to policy and what would happen under a given set of circumstances. Q. As I understand, sir— Mr. Perry: Your Honor, do you take judicial notice of the fact that the State House grounds are occupied by the Executive Branch of the South Carolina gov ernment, the Legislative Branch and the Judicial Branch, and that, during the period covered in the warrant in this matter, to wit: March the 2nd, the Legislature of South Carolina was in session. Do you take judicial notice of those facts? Mr. Coleman: We’ll stipulate those facts. The Court: All right. Q. Thank you, Mr. McNayr. By Mr. Coleman: Q. Just one more question, Mr. McNayr. With refer ence to the Legislature being in session at the time of this occurrence, the fact which has been stipulated by counsel in this case, did that fact have any bearing on your actions to keep down a breach of the peace or any possible or probable circumstances which, in your opinion, might lead to the breach? The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. Irving G. M cNayr A. Yes, it did. I was informed soon after arriving that the House of Delegates was out of session hut the Senate was still in session, and certainly that was an other of many factors which entered into the decision to hold or to stop and disperse this group. Q. Mr. McNayr, you Avere asked on cross examina tion as to the orderliness of the crowd. I assume that the crowd there meant the entire group, including the students and others. I believe you testified that up to a point the students were orderly. Were they orderly throughout the time of your presence at the scene? 160 A. No, they were not. Q. What occurred after the orderliness ceased? A. There was general singing, stamping of feet, tramping, singing in a very loud voice, mostly hymns, I would say. And, again, if I may use Mr. Carter’s name, Mr. Carter’s talk to them about dispersing— Mr. Perry: May I inquire of counsel as to whether or not he has reference now to before the students were placed under arrest or afterwards? A. My testimony is before they were placed under 151 arrest, just before. Q. Did you recognize any? A. No, I didn’t. Q. Just two more questions. With regard to the— I believe you used the term possible trouble makers— were any of those told to move on from the sidewalks? A. Yes. Q. Did any refuse to do so? A. No, they did not. Q. I believe you have already testified that you asked the Negro students to disperse, ordered them to? A. I did through the recognized leader. Q. Did they obey that order? 38 SUPREME COURT ________ ______ SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland County 39 Irving Gr. M cNayr A. No, they did not. By Mr. Perry: Q. Mr. McNayr, you said they sang songs, I believe you said some of them started songs before they were placed under arrest? A. Yes. Q. As far as you know, did everybody start singing before they were placed under arrest or did only some of them? A. I could say that everyone did. Q. You did not recognize any of the songs they were singing? A. No, I didn’t. In fact, I wasn’t paying particular attention to them. All that I know was that there was a good deal of talk and shouting along with the singing. Q. Did you hear them singing the Star Spangled Banner ? A. Yes, I do recall them singing the Star Spangled Banner. Q. That’s a very pretty song, isn’t it? A. It is, if properly sung in the right spirit but it seemed to me it wasn’t in the right spirit on that oc casion. Q. They weren’t singing in a contemptuous manner, were they? A. Not in a contemptuous manner but in a loud and very disorderly manner. Q. Well, Mr. McNayr, the Star Spangled Banner sounds better when it rises so full. A. Well, maybe I wasn’t in a position to appreciate it then. Q. Possibly that was the case. 40 SUPBEME COUBT The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. Irving G. M cNayr The Court: I don’t think we should go into whether or not this song was sung or in what manner it was sung. What does that have to do with it! Mr. Perry: My only purpose, of course, is to—coun sel asked Mr. McNayr about a point when they turned from orderliness to boisterousness and we are now de scribing the boisterousness that Mr. McNayr has in mind. Now, he said among other things, the Star Spangled Banner and I ’m at loss to see anything bois terous about the singing of the Star Spangled Banner. The Court: We’re not talking about the quality of the singing. Q. Mr. McNayr, did you hear them sing America? A. I didn’t recognize it. Q. Just as you were not in the mood to hear the Star Spangled Banner, they might have sung that? A. I said I was not in the mood to appreciate the way they sang it. Now, you would have to he present, sir, to understand what I ’m talking about, the differ ence between singing something in an orderly fashion and doing it boisterously, stamping your feet and shouting and yelling at the same time. That is what took place. Q. Isn’t it a fact that most of the singing took place after the arrest was made and during the time the po lice were carrying them to the Police Station? A. There was an awful lot taking place hut this took place after David Carter harangued each group and I mean harangued—it was a real rabble-rousing talk, “Will you do it? Will you not do it? I ’m going to jail, will you go to jail?”—that sort of thing. Mr. Perry: Your Honor, you have ruled out anything that was said by David Carter. Will you now direct that that he stricken? SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland County 41 Irving G. M cNayr, Mr. Coleman: Your Honor, will you instruct counsel not to phrase his questions so as to bring out exactly what he objected to here earlier? A. If you don’t want to hear it, don’t ask the ques tion. The Court: The testimony given as to what David Carter said is stricken from the record. Q. Mr. McNayr, the real reason these people were placed under arrest was because they walked around the State House grounds and, after they were told not to go again, they entered again in violation of the or ders that were given to them? That was the real reason they were placed under arrest? A. No, indeed. That has not been testified to in any wav by me. Q. That is not the real reason they were arrested? A. No. Q. Had they simply walked past this person who told them not to proceed again, they would not have been placed under arrest? A. If that person had requested that they be placed under arrest, we would have cooperated, but that was not the circumstances, so far as I was concerned. You will not allow me to give you the circumstances, which I tried to do and you said that was hearsay. Q. Thank you, Mr. McNayr. The Court: Court will recess for ten minutes. (11:50 a. m.) (Court reconvened.) 42 SUPREME COURT The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al._______ Chief L. J. Campbell ]g6 Whereupon, Mr. Coleman called Chief L. J. Camp bell who, being first duly sworn, testified as follows; Direct Examination By Mr. Coleman: Q. Mr. Campbell, I believe you are the Chief of Po lice for the City of Columbia? A. Yes, sir. Q. Did anything come to your attention on March the 2nd last which caused you to make your appearance in and around the State House in an official capacity? 166 A. It did. Q. Will you relate in your own words exactly what you did in regard to any matter within your personal knowledge ? A. I received information that a group of students were gathering at the Zion Baptist Church and I later observed it myself, personally. I informed Mr. McNayr, City Manager, and later I picked him up and we both went to the Zion Baptist Church on Washington Street, Washington and Gadsden Streets. There we found a 167 group of students at Zion Baptist Church. Q. Where did you go from Zion Baptist Church? A. We left Zion Baptist Church and went to the State House, the horseshoe at the State House. Q. Did anything occur there? A. We arrived at the State House a short time ahead of the maching group. Q. What marching group? Would you describe them? A. A group of Negro students. Q. Where did they make their appearance? A. They came up Gervais Street, from Gadsden Street to Gervais and Gervais up to the State House. SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland County 43 Chief L. J. Campbell Q. Where were you at that time? A. I was on the East corner of Gervais and the horseshoe, Main Street. Q. Did you talk to the group? A. I did not talk to the group at that time. Q. Were any official instructions given to the group at that time? A. They were. Q. What was the nature of the instructions? A. They were instructed that they had a right, as a citizen, to go through the State House grounds, as any other citizen has, as long as they were peaceful. Q. What happened then, so far as the activity of this group of students was concerned, immediately thereafter? A. Each group was instructed the same. Then they proceeded through the State House grounds. They con tinued going through the State House grounds. Q. Did you remain in the horseshoe during this time? A. In and around the horseshoe. Q. For how long a period of time did the students proceed in and about the State House grounds without interference from you? A. I would say approximately thirty to forty min utes before they were given instructions from our City Manager that they should disband and they were given fifteen minutes to decide whether they wanted to dis band or not. Q. Chief Campbell, to your knowledge, did any police officer or anyone else interfere with the students’ ac tivities during this thirty or forty minute period, which you have just related? A. They did not. The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. Chief L. J. Campbell Q. I believe about this horseshoe in front of the State House, there are sidewalks on bothe sides and lanes for vehicular traffic around the horseshoe and back out into Gfervais and Main Street? A. That’s correct. Q. At the time the students first made their appear ance there, were there numbers of other people in and about the State House grounds ? A. When they first arrived? Q. Yes. A. There were a few civilians and several police of ficers. Q. Did you observe this? A. Yes. Q. After a period of thirty or forty minutes, that you have just stated that the students marched without interference, did you observe the crowd at that time? A. I did. Q, Had it increased, decreased or remained the same? A. Considerably increased. Q. Can you estimate the number of the crowd ap proximately, including the students ? A. Across Gervais Street and also on the sidewalks and the steps of the State House, there were 300 or 350. Q. Now, with relation to the sidewalks on both sides of the horseshoe, on Gervais Street adjacent to the State House grounds and the lanes for vehicular traffic around the horseshoe, how was the crowd situated with reference to those sidewalks and lanes? A. They were right crowded and, from time to time, we had to ask the pedestrians to move on, Q. Was the street blocked? 44 SUPREME COURT_________________ SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland County 45 Chief L. J. Campbell A. We had to place a traffic man at the intersection of Gervais and Main to handle traffic and pedestrians. Q. Was a vehicular traffic lane blocked? A. It was, that was in the horseshoe. Q. After a period of thirty or forty minutes in which these students were allowed to march without interfer ence of any kind, did you then take further official action? A. As I have stated, they were given to about 1:00 o’clock, or fifteen minutes, to leave and at 1:15 they did not leave, and then they were placed under arrest. Q. You were there, Chief Campbell, and saw the crowd of people, students, those who had come upon the scene during the thirty or forty minute period, why did it appear to you that official action was due to be taken ? Mr. Perry: Your Honor, we object to the question. I respectfully submit that you have previously ruled, with regard to the testimony of the previous witness, that he could tell what he did, but as to his reasons, I believe that you did not permit the witness to go too much into a speculative area. We submit that the ques tion may call for the witness’ conclusions or reasons, some of which might be speculative as to what prompted them to act. Certainly, Chief can say what he did but as to why he did it would be for Your Honor to determine. Mr. Coleman: If Your Honor please, there is abso lutely no element of speculation in Chief Campbell tell ing why he did what he did. He’s not speculating as to any facts. He has made a criminal charge. He is cer tainly entitled to tell why he made it. The Court: I ’ll have to overrule the objection. In view of his experience, the objection is overruled. 46 SUPREME COURT The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. Chief L. J. Campbell A. I would say in my experience over a period of years I felt that it was time that action should be taken. Q. Why? A. To keep down any type of violence or injury to anyone. Mr. Perry: Now, Your Honor, we object and ask that that be stricken on the grounds that the answer is speculative and conjectural. Chief says to keep down any violence and there is no testimony that any vio lence was about to take place. Mr. Coleman: If Your Honor please, the Chief is testifying as an expert police officer. He has not stated that violence would take place. He has said that draw ing from his experience as a police officer, during the factors which were involved in this situation, it was his opinion that there could possibly be violence and disorder arising out of this situation. I believe he is fully entitled to testify. The Court: Objection overruled on the same grounds as before, his experience, my previous statement as to his experience. Mr. Coleman: If Your Honor please, may I see the warrant? The Court: I believe counsel for the defendants has it. Would you like the Court to have some copies of that made? Mr. Perry: I ’d be most grateful, Judge. The Court: I ’ll have some made for you. Q. Chief Campbell, I hand you a paper entitled “Ar rest Warrant” , which is signed—the affidavit of which is signed by one L. J. Campbell. Would you look at that and see if you recognize your signature there? A. Yes, sir. Q. You did sign that warrant ? SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland County 47 Chief L. J. Campbell A. Yes, sir. Q. Would you please look at the names contained in the warrant? A. That is my warrant and that is my signature and that is the names. Q. Do you recognize that warrant as containing the names of some of the people who were arrested on March the 2nd? A. I don’t remember all of the names but I would say that is the warrant that I signed. Q. And it contained the names of the students? A. That’s right. Q. You don’t recognize, of course, any of these peo ple personally? A. In the whole entire group, I know eight or ten or twelve, something like that personally. Q. Chief Campbell, do you have any statement which you would like to make in regard to this situation, re garding the facts involved? A. No, not right at the moment. Cross Examination By Mr. Perry: Q. Chief Campbell, I believe you stated that as the various groups went into the State House grounds, you personally admonished each group that they had a right to go in? A. I didn’t personally. Q. I ’m sorry I misunderstood you. Who did this? A. Mr. Walker. Q. I see. Do you agree with Mr. McNayr’s estimate of the size of the various groups of young people as they walked through the grounds? I believe Mr. Me- 48 The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. _________ SUPREME COURT_________ Chief L. J. Campbell ig9 Nayr stated that they numbered from fifteen to thirty persons in each group. A. I would say that they weren’t quite that large but he’s approximately right. Q. You say they weren’t quite that large? A. I ’d say twenty to twenty-five to thirty. At times the group was larger than others; more would get to gether and some would go off to themselves in smaller groups and in that period of time, it would vary a Avhole lot. Q. I understand. 190 A. At times, it may have been thirty and then it would be twelve or fifteen. Q. Each group of students walked along in column of twos? A. Sometimes two and I did see some in single-file. Q. There was ample room for other persons going in the same direction or the opposite direction to pass on the same sidewalk? A. I wouldn’t say they were blocking the sidewalk; now, that was through the State House grounds. 191 Q. Their demeanor was generally good? A. At times. Q. Wouldn’t you say they were well-behaved? A. At times. Q. You stated in your affidavit, Chief Campbell, that the young people were carrying placards ? A. They had cards. Q. I do not believe that you have previously testified concerning these placards? A. No, I haven’t mentioned the cards. 19 Q. But in the affidavit which you signed, before the issuance of this warrant, you did make mention of the SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland Comity 49 Chief L. J. Campbell fact that they assembled, impeded the normal traffic and they paraded with placards? A. I wouldn’t say that all of them had them, but some of them did. Q. Some of them did. Of course, yon do not know whether any of the defendants on trial today had placards ? A. I couldn’t swear to that. Q. What was the nature of the language used on the placards ? A. It was religious verses. I read some of them. Q. I see. Chief Campbell, have you previously had occasion to deal with groups of Negro students on the streets of Columbia in recent times? A. I have. Q. Are you aware of a widespread student move ment which is designed to possibly bring about a change in the structure of racial segregation laws and custom? A. I am. Q. Would you regard the group, which walked through the State House grounds on March the 2nd, as a group for such a purpose? A. There was a purpose, I would think. Q. Were the signs which they carried in any way de pict that particular purpose? A. It resembled that, yes. Q. Did you confiscate any of those signs, Chief? A. I did not. Q. But it suffices to say that the signs dd bespeak the general purpose? A. The signs were taken up but they were not taken up by us. 50 SUPREME COURT The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. Chief L. J. Campbell Q. I understand. Of course, you do not regard the carrying of signs as breach of peace, do you? A. Well, it might mean—as to what purpose was behind it. Q. Mr. McNayr has estimated that you had present some thirty or more, or possibly a few less, police offi cers of the City of Columbia? A. That is a mistake. Mr. McNayr did not know how many officers I had up there. Q. How many did you have ? A. I had approximately fifteen. Q. Were there other officers of authority? A. There were some State Highway Patrolmen; there were some South Carolina Law Enforcement offi cers present and I believe, I ’m not positive, I believe there were about three Deputy Sheriffs. Q. So there were a lot of police officers around on this occasion. Wouldn’t you agree, Chief Campbell, that the presence of a large number of police officers serves to attract a lot of on-lookers, perhaps as much, if not more so, than the Negro college students walk ing around the State House? A. The two together would create quite a bit. Q. So, the curiosity-lookers were attracted by police officers as well? A. The two together would create quite a scene. Q. Did you see, included among the on-lookers, any persons whom you regarded as trouble makers? A. Well, it’s hard to pick out trouble makers all the time, you know, with a large group of people; you don’t know what might occur and what’s in the mind of the people. SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland County 51 Chief L. J. Campbell Q. But, sir, you did, at one time, after perhaps con ferring with other officers, direct the students to dis band; you or some other officer did. Is that correct? A. That order came from the City Manager. Q. I see. Was any order given to the on-lookers to disband? A. They were asked to move on. Q. Did all of them move on when they were ordered to move on? A. A lot of them moved on, yes. Q. Since these young people were generally well- demeaned, it was actually the fact that they were walk ing around the State House grounds with placards in a group, which actually caused their arrest, isn’t it? A. Well, they were singing and right noisy at times, particularly after the order was given to give them fif teen minutes to disband. Q. You said that you observed them walking around the State House grounds for some thirty to forty min utes; did I understand you correctly? A. I said approximately. Q. During this period was there any singing? A. Yes. There was some singing in the horseshoe and there was some singing on the East corner of the horse shoe. Q. I see, and afterwards they were given some fif teen minutes to disband and I believe that also came from the City Manager? A. That was approximately at 1:00 o’clock. Q. They were given fifteen minutes to disband? A. Yes. Q. Having not disbanded, you actually placed them under arrest? Did you or some other officer? The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. Chief L. J. Campbell A. All of the officers. I placed some under arrest. Other officers placed some. Q. I have reference to what authority—did the Co lumbia Chief of Police or the Director of South Caro lina Law Enforcement Division? A. I have authority on State property under a Spe cial Act. Q. You do have special authority to police the State House? A. Yes, sir, passed by the Legislature. Q. As I understand you, sir, the various groups of students walked through the State House grounds, either in single file or in columns of twos, they walked in such a manner that it was possible for other per sons, using the same sidewalk, to pass either going in the same direction or the opposite direction? A. I would say so—yes. Q. So that, therefore, the Negro students did not block the sidewalks? A. Not in the State House grounds. I didn’t go in the State House grounds. I just observed that from a distance. I stayed at the corner of Gervais and Main at the horseshoe all during the whole period of time. I did not leave there. I did place men over the area, back of the State House and over the grounds. Q. Did they not block anybody? A. I did not go back into the grounds myself. Q. Within your own view, did they block anything? A. At times they blocked the sidewalk and we asked them to move over and they did. Q. They obeyed your commands on that? A. Yes'. Q. So that nobody complained that he wanted to use the sidewalk and he could not do it? 52 SUPREME C O U R T ___________ SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland County 53 Chief L. J. Campbell A. I didn’t have any complaints on that. Q. How about the vehicular traffic, either in the horseshoe area or otherwise? A. The horseshoe area was blocked by the heavy traffic on Gervais. Q. It was blocked by whom? The police? A. Pedestrians and civilians, policemen and auto mobiles. Q. I see, but not necessarily by these defendants? A. No. At times, of course, they would block it when they were marching across. Q. Naturally, as they walked across but only for a reasonable period of time. That horseshoe area that we described, that leads up to the front of the State House building, is not really a thoroughfare, is it? A. No. Q. It’s a limited parking area used by members of the State House of Representatives and other officials in the State House building? A. I think that’s correct. Q. It’s not your contention then that these defend ants blocked anybody’s use of that area? A. Not to my knowledge. At times, I said, they were asked to move and they complied with our request. Q. Then, their crime, if we can call it a crime, seems to be their refusal to disperse when they were given orders to disperse? A. That’s right and the noise. Q. Wouldn’t you agree that it was their refusal to disperse that got them arrested? A. Well, no, not all together. As I have stated be fore, as I have testified, they were moved for reasons to avoid trouble. We were afraid that trouble might have come. The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. Chief L. J. Campbell Q. I see. You were afraid trouble might occur; from what source? A. You can’t always tell. Q. But, if you regarded on this occasion it was suf ficiently apparent to require you to arrest them, cer tainly you must have had something in mind? A. It is my duty to try to avoid trouble if I can, as a police officer. Q. I fully appreciate that. I certainly do, but I sim ply asked you, where was the trouble ? A. Actually any trouble hadn’t happened but if you can prevent trouble, it is your duty to do so. Q. I go along with that. Are you able, sir, to say where the trouble was? A. I don’t know. Q. You didn’t spot it really anywhere, did you? A. No. We didn’t give it a chance to happen. Q. Chief, as far as you know, is there any ordinance of the City of Columbia regarding groups walking in concert on the public streets of the City of Columbia? A. With a group of over fifteen, you must have a permit. Q. These persons weren’t charged under that ordi nance? A. We have an ordinance where you cannot block the sidewalk. Q. I understand you signed all of the warrants in these cases and you signed them under the common law offense of breach of peace? A. Breach of the peace. Q. You’re not charging the violation of any ordi nance? A. No. Q. Thank you, Chief. 54 SUPREME COURT_________________ SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland Connty 55 Chief L. J. Campbell By Mr. Coleman: Q. Yon spoke of certain orders being given by one Harry Walker to the students, telling them to disperse and directing the activities or attempting to in some way; who is Harry Walker? A. He is with the Governor’s Office. Q. What is his official capacity? A. Liaison officer, with the Governor’s Office, I think. I ’m not sure. Q. Did he have charge of the officers there that day? A. It was my impression that day that he was sub stituting for Chief Strom, who was out of the City. That was my impression. Q. I believe you stated that the behavior of the stu dents at times was orderly and good. W ere there times Avhen it was not ? A. That’s right. Q. Would you describe that, please? A. That’s when instructions were given to the stu dents that they had fifteen minutes to make up their minds whether to leave or stay. Q. What was the nature of the activity then? A. Hollering in a very loud voices. Q. Did the entire group of students there, including these defendants, appear to you to be acting in concert as a group, as a whole ? A. I don’t get your question. Q. The entire group of marching students, did they appear to you to be acting in concert or acting together in one common action or purpose? A. Yes, I would say they were following their leader, one leader, each group had a leader and, when instruc tions were given by Mr. McNayr as to the fifteen min- The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. Chief L. J. Campbell Ml lites, they had instructions from the head of the group, which we considered him to he the head of the group. Q. Did it appear to you from what you saw and heard that they were all acting together as a group! A. That’s right. Q. You were questioned as to the number of officers on the scene and the point was made that a large group of officers might have attracted the crowd. Ordinarily, such a group of officers are not stationed at the State House! A. No, sir. 222 Q. Why were they there that day! A. To keep order. Q. Was they being there have any relation to the students being there! A. Yes. That’s why we were there. Q. Otherwise you would not have been there! A. No, sir. Q. No further questions. By Mr. Perry: 223 Q. Nevertheless, the presence of officers helped at tract the crowd, didn’t they, Chief! A. The presence of the officers and the group of students drew the crowd. Q. May I ask you this, Chief! You, along with other officers assisted in making these several arrests, didn’t you! A. I would say I was with the group of thirty to forty, something like that. Q. Wouldn’t you say that all of the students sub- K4 mitted peacefully to arrest! A. When I informed them they were under arrest, they gave no trouble. 56 SUPREME C O U R T _______________ SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland County 57 Chief L. J. Campbell Dan P. B eckman Q. I believe as a matter of fact you, along with other officers, walked with them around with them to the Columbia City Jail and the County Jail? A. I lined them up and put an officer in front and instructed them to follow him and put one on each side and on the back. I didn’t walk with them. I rode. Q. That’s the perogative of the Chief, I believe. These were just young college and high school stu dents, were they not, obviously well-dressed, well-be haved, except for their refusal to disperse when the officers told them to do so? A. I think they were all students except a few. Q. Except a few? Thank you, Chief. Mr. Coleman: Thank you, sir. (Witness excused.) Whereupon, Mr. Brandon called Mr. Dan F. B eck m an , who, being first duly sworn, testified as follows Direct Examination By Mr. Brandon: Q. Will you give us your full name, Mr. Beckman? A. Dan F. Beckman. Q. What is your official position? A. Assistant Chief, South Carolina Law Enforce ment Division. Q. How long have you been with the Law Enforce ment Division? A. A little over thirteen and a half years. Q. Directing your attention to March the 2nd, the date in question here, did you have occasion to go to the State House grounds? A. Yes, I did. 58 The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. SUPREME COURT_________ Dan F. Beckman Q. At what time did you arrive there? A. Shortly after 12:00. Q. After 12:00 o’clock? A. Yes. Q. What were the conditions existing when you got there ? A. There were a large group of college students on Gervais Street at the entrance to the horseshoe and, as I got there, they started coming, they were going through in single file or groups of twos. Q. Going through the grounds? A. Going through the grounds. Q. In what direction? A. They started down the horseshoe and I observed them going around to the right of the building and on around and I was informed that they were being per mitted to walk through there in a peaceful fashion. Q. How many do you think would be your estimate were in the group at that time, Mr. Beckman? A. It’s hard for me to tell but I would imagine twelve or fifteen in that first group that went through, that I had an opportunity to see. Q. Was there more than one group moving through? A. At that time, I saw only one group going through. Q. Could you see any others at any other positions around the State House grounds ? A. Later I did observe other groups going around the State House. Q. Do you know how many defendants were subse quently arrested on that occasion? A. That day? Q. That day. A. I believe it was 189 or 190, I ’m not certain. SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland County 59 Dan F. Beckman Q. How long did this marching continue after you arrived there? A. I would imagine between forty-five minutes and an hour. Q. Thereafter, to your knowledge, were the groups advised that they had a certain period of time in which to disperse or leave the premises? A. Yes, sir, by Mr. McNayr. I was over facing Main Street, that would be to the right of the horseshoe. Q. What was the reaction of the groups of Negro students at that time, when they were informed of that ? A. They started singing, hollering and shortly after that, I imagine, they decided they didn’t want to go back to where they came from and they started back through. Q. What occurred when they started back through? A. I placed a group under arrest as they started to continue on. Q. Other officers arrested others? A. Yes. Q. Do you remember any particular song that was sung by those students? A. I believe one of them was “ I Shall Not Be Moved” . I remember their singing the Star Spangled Banner around on the side of the State House; that was after they were placed under arrest. Q. Chief, after you had been there, did or did not any other people or groups of people arrive? A. Yes. I saw the groups of people over in front of the hotel and there was a group right at the entrance of the horseshoe. From time to time, you had to con tinue to ask them to move on. Q. Did they move on when you asked them? A. Yes. 60 SUPREME COURT The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. Dan F. Beckman Q. How many do yon think subsequently collected there? Give an estimate? A. I ’d say around 250 to 300. Q. After you had arrested this group of students, did you learn where they had come from or do you, of your own knowledge, know where they came from? A. Yes, I know where they came from. You mean how they originally started from? Q. Not particularly with reference to the marching to the grounds, but where were they from? Where were their homes? A. Some of them gave their addresses from all over the State. Q. Did any of them come from any other schools other than local schools here in Columbia? A. Yes, sir. Some came from State A & M, Claflin, Sterner, Mathis, Benedict and some of them were high school students. I noticed that on the arrest tickets. Q. High school students? A. That’s right. Q. Any of them you know were from high schools out of the City of Columbia? A. No, but I recognized some from Orangeburg, stu dents from either one of the two schools there. Q. The State schools over there? Chief, do you know of any other facts in connection with this occurrence that 3?ou would like to testify to, that you think is relevant ? A. No, sir. Q. Answer any questions the other attorney has for you. SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland Connty 61 Dan F. Beckman Cross Examination By Mr. Sampson: Q. Your name is Mr. Beckman, I believe? A. That’s right. Q. You are the Assistant Chief of SLED, is that right? A. That’s correct. Q. I ’d like to ask you a simple question, if I may. Who was in charge of this arrest? A. There was several of us that made arrests over there. I arrested some. Chief Campbell arrested some, and other officers arrested some. Q. Which one of you gentlemen made the decision to arrest these young people? A. What? Q. Which one of you gentlemen present made the de cision to arrest these young defendants? A. I made my own decision. Q. I see. It was based on your decision that the other officers acted? A. No. Q. As I understand your testimony, as Assistant Chief of SLED, you decided that some of them should he arrested and other officers of the City of Columbia, being present, independently decided that they should be arrested, is that right? A. That was after Mr. McNayr asked them to dis perse and gave them fifteen minutes to disperse and all that singing and stomping around and hollering took place, and he asked them to leave and they didn’t leave: they continued to go on. Q. T see. Was it Mr. McNavr’s judgment that caused von to arrest some of these defendants or your own judgment? 62 SUPREME COURT The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. Dan F. Beckman A. What I did, I did on my own because I realized what possibly could take place. Q. No conflict of authority between SLED and the City of Columbia as to how you should arrest people for the breach of peace? A. No. Q. How long did you say that you have served as a law enforcement officer? A. Thirteen and a half years. Q. Do you consider yourself an expert law enforce ment officer? Mr. Brandon: If Tour Honor please, I think the prosecution can stipulate that Mr. Beckham is an ex pert law enforcement officer. Q. Do you, sir? A. What is the question? Q. Do you consider yourself an expert law enforce ment officer? A. I consider myself a law enforcement officer based on experience that I ’ve had. Q. Had these students been students from the Uni versity of South Carolina or similar white schools in the State of South Carolina, would you or would you not have arrested them based on the same conduct? Mr. Brandon: Objection, Your Honor. We’re trying a case of breach of peace against eight individual Ne gro defendants and there’s no relevancy whatsoever as to whether or not Chief Beckham would have arrested a white person or a person of any color. It is presumed, of course, that a law enforcement officer will do his duty. The Court: I am inclined to agree with the objec tion but as my policy has been, and will continue to 248 SUPREME COUBT Appeal from Richland County 63 Dan F. Beckman be, to lean over backwards to see that the defendants get justice—objection overruled. Q. Will you proceed to answer the question”? A. Would you repeat the question, please? Q. I asked you, if I remember—would the reporter repeat the question? (Reporter repeated the question to counsel and the witness.) A. Yes, I would have. Under the same set of circum stances, I would have. You’re exactly correct. Q. Have you had occasion to arrest any group of white students under the same or similar circum stances ? A. No, I haven’t. Q. You haven’t had any in your thirteen and a half years ? A. No, I haven’t. Q. I ask you again—I ask you this, sir: do you re member the recent cancellation of Nixon’s speech in the City of Columbia? A. Recent what? Q. The cancellation of Nixon’s speech, Vice-Presi dent Nixon’s speech, Vice-President Nixon was run ning for President and he had a speech cancelled for the State House grounds here last fall, I believe? A. I don’t remember the cancellation but I remem ber when he spoke. Q. You remember that? A. I don’t remember when it was cancelled hut I remember when he spoke. Q. It was postponed, I believe, from one time to another, is that right? A. I don’t recall that. I remember when he spoke here. 64 _________SUPREME COURT_________ The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. Dan F. Beckman Q. Do you have any knowledge of whether or not there was a demonstration on or about the State House grounds at that time? Mr. Brandon: If Your Honor please, I object. I ob ject to counsel referring to any other incident which could not possibly have been connected with this. I think that we are going far afield. He can probably dig up a dozen, if he wants to. It has no bearing on this. The exclusion of any testimony in regard to that could not possibly prejudice these defendants. When they take such action as they choose, they thereby elect to take the consequences and whether or not somebody else did it or whether or not somebody else was not arrested has no bearing on it. Mr. Sampson: Your Honor, we withdraw the ques tion. Q. Mr. Beckham, can you, of your own personal knowledge, identify any of the particular eight defend ants on trial here this morning? A. I didn’t get the chance to see them when they were up here. I don’t know whether I could or not, except by their names on the arrest tickets that we have. Q. Let me ask you this: Mr. Beckham, since you can’t identify them, you don’t know whether they did any of these acts alleged in this warrant or not, do you? A. They were part of the over-all group that were up there—yes. Q. Have you read this warrant? A. I heard the warrant read to each and every one. Q. I asked you: have you read this warrant? A. No, I didn’t read it but I heard it read to each one of the defendants. SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland County 65 Dan F. Beckman Q. When you heard it read this morning, that was the first time yon had heard it read, is that right? A. No, I had heard that warrant read before. Q. When, sir? A. When they were at the County Jail or the City Jail and in that instance, most of these, with the excep tion of probably one, were in that group. They were in the City Jail, with the exception of probably one. Q. Mr. Beckman, this warrant says here that traffic was impeded. As to any of these eight defendants, can you identify any one of them as having impeded the traffic? A. With the exception that they were in the over-all group that was down there. Q. Then, I understand you to say that these eight, if they were apart from the group, they wouldn’t be subject to the breach of the peace? Is that right? A. I don’t understand that. Q. If these eight defendants were detached from the group, they would not be subject to the breach of the peace, the allegation of this warrant? A. They were all together down there. They were all a part of the over-all group. Q. The truth of the matter is that you cannot iden tify any of these eight defendants as to whether or not they were singing or not, can you? A. No, I can’t. Q. It is also true that you cannot identify as to whether or not they were boisterous or not? Is that right ? A. They were a part of the over-all group that were singing and hollering. Q. You heard these officers testify, didn’t you? A. Part of them, yes. 66 SUPREME COURT The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. Dan F. Beckman A. C. S horter, Jr. Q. Part of them. From what you heard, state whether or not you recall, whether or not any of them said anything about any profanity having been spoken at all? A. No, I didn’t hear any profanity at all. Q. Mr. Beckman, state whether or not you heard any of these defendants, these eight defendants, make any threats to any of the officers present? A. I didn’t hear any of them make any threats to any one. Q. I understand that they did not act contemptuous at all, is that right? A. With the exception of when they were given the fifteen minutes to disperse and leave and they started singing and stomping their feet and shouting. Q. I see. You don’t recall any of the names of the songs, do you? A. One was “ I Shall Not Be Moved” . I remember that and the Star Spangled Banner. Q. Thank you. (Witness excused.) Whereupon, Mr. Coleman called Mr. A. C. S horter, Jr., who, being first duly sworn, testified as follows: Direct Examination By Mr. Coleman: Q. Mr. Shorter, do you have a physical connection with any State Agency? A. Yes, sir, I am Lieutenant with South Carolina Law Enforcement Division. SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland County 67 A. C. S horter, Jr. Q. Did you have occasion on March the 2nd, last, to be in the vicinity of the State House, in the City of Columbia, on official business? A. Yes, sir. Q. Would you relate in your own words anything which might have happened, that you saw or heard or anything of your own knowledge that occurred there that day? A. I went to the State House, it was a little before 12:00, and a group of young colored people came up. I don’t know whether they were students or not. Some of them I know to he students. They came up on Ger- vais Street from towards Assembly. I was standing by Mr. Harry Walker, Legal Assistant to Governor Hol- lings, and— Q. Just at this point, Mr. Shorter—were you work ing under the direction of Mr. Walker? A. Yes, sir. Q. Go ahead. A. Mr. Walker told— Mr. Perry: Your Honor, we have the same objection to that. The Court: Objection sustained. No hearsay. A. It was in the presence of these defendants and the co-defendants, Mr. Walker made certain state ments. After these statements were made, the students proceeded through the State House grounds, going around the State House to the Assembly Street side, turning left and starting towards Sumter Street. Q. You are speaking of this group, this group of Negro students, approximately 200 in number, which was previously described here today? A. This was the first part of approximately 200 group. This group consisted of approximately twenty- 68 SUPREME COURT The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. 269 270 271 272 A. C. S horter, Jr. five or thirty that was headed by another person, who is not a defendant here today. On the back side of the Capitol, I believe that’s Pendleton Street, is the State Highway Department, the Wade Hampton Office Build ing and the Calhoun Office Building, all State office buildings, in addition to the State House being a State office building. The people apparently were disturbed and generally disrupted in these buildings; they were peering from windows. They were singing, this group, in columns of twos, and each sidewalk that crisscrosses through the State House grounds, they wanted to go through. Those sidewalks are very narrow and would not allow over two people, walking side by side, to get through. This group of approximately twenty-five or thirty wanted to walk through there in columns of twos. I asked them to move on. They were very bel ligerent about it but did proceed to move on down the main sidewalk to the Sumter Street sidewalk and down to the Gervais Street sidewalk and back to the horse shoe. They were singing, chanting, shouting, all of this time, and when they got there, they started back to the State House grounds again in the same boisterous manner and I arrested the first group. Contrary to what was said, all of them were not marched to the Jail, some of them were carried in automobiles. This particular group was carried in an automobile. Q. Mr. Shorter, were you in the vicinity of the horse shoe at all? A. Yes, sir. Q. What time did you first make your appearance there ? A. I was there when this group arrived. SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland County 69 A. C. Shorter, Jr. Q. With relations to the area of the horseshoe, what was the appearance of the horseshoe as to persons within that horseshoe? A. When this group first arrived, there weren’t too many bystanders, only the students stretched out down Gervais Street. However, the longer that they stayed and paraded around, the larger the number of bystanders got, until approximately two, or three or four hundred—I don’t know how many bystanders were there. Q. How long after you first arrived did these stu dents march unmolested? A. Forty-five minutes to an hour, I would say. I didn’t time them. Q. After this forty-five minutes to an hour period, what was the appearance of any person who might have been in the horseshoe then? What were the num ber of people out there, so far as you were concerned? A. In addition to the students and the police officers, I ’d sav there were two, three or four hundred by standers that would come by and we would immediately tell them to move on, which most of them did. Q. Was the street around the horseshoe, the side walks around the horseshoe, were they free for traffic? A. The horseshoe, of course, was blocked. At times, when the students would come through, I personally told them to not block the street and the sidewalks and the horseshoe. Q. Did you give any personal instructions to any of the students to disperse? A. I did not give any personal instructions to them to disperse. Q. Were any official orders to disperse given to these marchers, to these groups ? The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. A. C. Shorter, Jr. A. Not in my presence, no, sir. The Court: We will now recess for lunch. Return here at 2 :30 o’clock. (Afternoon session.) (Court reconvened at 2:30 o’clock.) The Court: Does the State wish to put up any more witnesses'? Mr. Jenkins: If Your Honor please, I believe the last witness put up by the State before lunch has not been cross examined by the defense. The Court: That’s correct. Mr. Shorter resumed the witness stand and testi fied further as follows: Cross Examination By Mr. Jenkins: Q. Mr. Shorter, I ’m not quite certain I recall the detail of your testimony this morning, however, I do believe that you testified that you arrested one group, didn’t you? A. I arrested several. I said I arrested the first group. Q. You arrested the first group that was arrested on that day? A. That’s correct. Q. Now, in what area of the State House grounds were you when the first group was arrested? A. On the front of the State House, in front of the main steps of the State House. Q. Now, were the other groups in this vicinity when you arrested this group? A. This particular group—I do not remember. Q. You testified this morning, I believe on direct examination, that the students that you arrested were singing ? 70 SUPREME COURT SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland County 71 A. C. Shorter, Jr. A. That’s correct. Q. Will you state to the Court whether they were singing prior to the arrest or whether they began sing ing after your arrest? A. Prior to and afterwards. Q. How long prior to the arrest, do you recall, did the singing begin? A. I don’t remember exactly. I ’d say it had been quite some time. Q. Was that the first group, all of the group that you arrested? A. All of them that I arrested. Q. So, it is your testimony then that these persons you arrested that day were in the front of the State House grounds, singing, prior to the arrest of any of them? A. They were on the State House grounds in front of the main steps to the State House. Q. Is it your testimony that there was general sing ing among the whole group prior to the arrest of any of them? A. That is correct. Q. I believe you testified—correction, please. Mr. Shorter, I ’m certain you heard the testimony of Chief Campbell and other witnesses this morning. A. I heard part of the testimony. Q. Did you hear testimony from these witnesses that the persons arrested on March the 2nd had been given, in effect, fifteen minutes in which to get off of the State House grounds? A. You’ll have to ask them what they said. Q. I ’m asking you whether you heard some testi mony? 72 SUPREME COURT The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. A. C. S horter, Jr. ^ A. I heard part of it. I don’t recall that particular part. Q. Did you hear them testify as to that? A. I said I did not remember that particular part of it. Q. Do you know whether or not persons arrested on March the 2nd had been, in effect, given fifteen minutes to get off of the State House grounds? A. Do you want hearsay testimony? Q. I ’m asking you whether you know of any such ^ limit of time? A. You want me to tell you what I ’ve been told? Mr. Jenkins: If Your Honor please, we request that the witness be instructed to answer the question. The Court: Answer the question. A. Yes. Q. The testimony of the witness for the State this morning, from each of them, with the exception of yourself, was to the effect that there was no singing prior to these persons, who are now defendants, being 287 given fifteen minutes, or something to that effect, to leave the State House grounds. Now, would you testify to that singing? A. I do not remember such testimony. Q. Do you recall whether or not there was any sing ing on the part of the groups which you arrested, prior to their being advised that they had fifteen minutes in which to get off the grounds? A. As I have testified to previously, I do not know the exact time that they were given, the time limit to 2g8 leave, therefore, I cannot say whether or not they were singing prior to their instructions to leave or not. SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland County 73 A. C. Shorter, Jr. Q. The eight defendants, who are on trial today, can you identify them or either of them as being in uither groups that you arrested? A. I can identify those as part of the over-all group that was arrested at that particular time. Q. Can you identify any of the eight on trial today as participating in any of these specific acts alleged in the warrant signed by Chief Campbell? A. I can identify them as part of the groups, all of which were singing and causing general disturbance at the State House. Q. What do you base your identification of these ■eight defendants on or either of them? A. All of them were arrested and booked. They have answered to their names as called and, if they are tell ing the truth, they are eight of the persons that were arrested that day. Q. Other than that, you were not able to identify either of these defendants? A. I doubt seriously that I could pick them out of a crowd of three or four thousand people. Q. Could you pick them out of a crowd of several hundred that were on the grounds? A. I doubt seriously—no. Q. Mr. Shorter, did you have any conversation with any of the persons who were arrested on March the 2nd? A. None other than to tell them that they were ar rested, to tell them that they could not go double file, in groups of thirties, on the narrow sidewalks that cross the State House, that it would block traffic and it would block the sidewalks, and we could not have that. Q. Did you discuss with them their purpose for be ing on the grounds that day? 74 SUPREME COURT The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. A. C. Shorter, Jr. A. I was present when the defendants had that dis cussed with them. The defendants’ avowed purpose there was to demonstrate, to walk around and around and around the State House. Q. Now, when you said the defendants, did you mean these eight? A. These eight plus their co-defendants. Q. Are you saying to the Court that you heard more than 180 persons say to you that their purpose for being on the grounds was as you have stated? A. Each group had a leader. The leader was talked to and the rest concurred by going along with their leader. Q. Did you directly talk with either of these groups? A. I did not directly discuss their purpose for being there. Q. I ’m sorry— A. I did not directly discuss their purpose for being there. Q. Now, Mr. Shorter, I want to ask you another question. The groups that you arrested, state to the Court how many times those persons marched around the State House? A. I don’t remember. Several, probably. I didn’t count them. Q. It’s a fact that you didn’t know whether they marched around one time or two times? A. They had been there ample time to march around a dozen times. Q. Your answer is not in response to the question. A. Would you repeat your question? Mr. Jenkins: We move, Your Honor, that the wit ness’ answer to the previous question be stricken on the grounds that it was not responsive to the question. SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland County 75 A. C. Shorter, Jr. The Court: On the basis of what? Mr. Jenkins: The answer was not responsive to the question that I directed to the witness. Mr. Coleman: Strike it. It makes no difference. The Court: Go ahead and strike it. Q. The question was that you do not know, as a matter of fact, whether these persons that you arrested had been around the State House one time, two times or any number of times? A. I know, to my own knowledge, that they went around at least once; two, three, four or five, I do not know. Q. No further questions. (Witness excused.) Mr. Coleman: The State has no further witnesses, Your Honor. Mr. Perry: May it please the Court, at this time, the defendants move for a dismissal of the cases against them upon the ground that the evidence of the State has completely failed to establish the c o r p u s d e l i c t i and, since it has not been shown that any crime has been committed, the defendants are entitled to have the cases pending against them dismissed. With Your Honor’s permission, I will now make a second motion and I will make one argument as to both motions. At this time, the defendants move for a dis missal of the cases pending against them on the ground that the State has completely failed to prove by com petent evidence a p r i m a f a c i e case. Now, I shall be glad to make a short argument, off the record, unless the State has some preference in that regard. (Arguments followed.) The Court: The motion is denied. 76 SUPREME COURT The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. Mr. Perry: One further motion. At this time the de fendants move that the cases against them be dismissed on the ground that the evidence shows that by arrest ing and prosecuting the defendants, the officers of the State of South Carolina and of the City of Columbia were using the police power of the State of South Caro lina for the purpose of depriving these defendants of rights secured to them under the First and Fourteenth Amendments of the United States Constitution. I par ticularly make reference to freedom of assembly and freedom of speech. I shall make no argument on that. The Court: The motion is denied. Mr. Perry: May it please the Court, the defendants would like not to offer any evidence. We will have no testimony. At this time, I would like to renew all mo tions for dismissal, which were made at the conclusion of the State’s case and I would ask that it be included in the record verbatim, as if I were repeating them verbatim at this time. The Court: The motions are denied. Mr. Perry: Nothing further from the defendants. Mr. Coleman: Nothing further from the State. The Court: The Court before reaching the verdict will take a ten minute recess. (Court recessed.) (Court reconvened.) The Court: I want to caution everyone within the courtroom here that when we began this morning I made the first rule that there would be no pictures taken. I have information that there is a camera in here now and I want to caution you that you will be held in contempt of court if any pictures are taken. Will the defendants please come before the Bench? (Defendants arraigned before the Court.) Appeal from Richland County The Court: Would the attorneys like to say anything before the Court renders its verdict? Mr. Perry: Your Honor, nothing except the motions for dismissal which we have made. I understand that Your Honor has denied them. However, you have not yet made your finding as to whether or not you find them guilty or not guilty. We will reserve anything we have to say until after you have made your finding. The Court: It’s a very hard problem that we are faced with, all of us, white people and Negroes also. When I talk to these eight and look upon the faces of the young, actually they are children, some of them, and perhaps counsel doesn’t realize—I imagine you do—that I ’ve been in office only thirty days. Prior to that, I worked with young people, devoted my life to helping young people, as the Juvenile Officer of this County. I have about as many Negro friends as I have white friends and I ’m proud of it, but there is one thing that dis turbs me more than anything else, that this fight over segregation or integration has nothing to do with chil dren because we are the ones, me included, we adults are the ones that have caused this problem. I don’t think it’s up to me to tell my little baby girl, five years old, to fight my battles for me. I don’t think it’s up to the people; I don’t think the decent people expect it, expect children to fight our battles. My battle, your battle, our adults’ battles, whites, Negroes, all of us. It’s been many a day that I have taken children home with me, foundling children. I took off my own shoes in my own home and gave them to a boy to go to school. To me the greatest asset that we have or shall ever have is our youth. (The Court then questioned each defendant individ ually as to his age, home address, school, etc.) SUPREME COURT 77 78 SUPREME COURT The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. To each of you, James Edwards, Jr., Alvester Pate, jo9 Jr., Pinckney Mosley, Melvin Brown, Jr., Harold Eu gene Nimmons, Willie Boykin Jones, William Perkins, Bill Alvin Sullivan, it is the finding of the Court that you are guilty without question. No defense was put up in your behalf and the sentence of the Court is that each of you pay a fine of $100.00 or 30 days in the County Jail. However, I ’m going to do something here, which the law forbids me to do, but I make it public to each one of you minors—-how many of you are 21? (Only one, James Edwards, Jr., raised his hand.) To each one of you minors, I ’m going to suspend half of 810 that on the payment of a fine of $50.00. There is something else that has come to my atten tion during the hearing of this testimony today. Get ting back to we adults using children and minors to fight our battles, adults’ battles, Negroes and whites, those who would use, misdirect, lead a child into a dangerous situation and yes, it’s dangerous. What hap pened yesterday? A Negro was stabbed right up here, one block from where we are, by a man, a cowardly man that he was. It is a dangerous situation. I would 811 pass out if I knew my child was put in a position that some violence could happen. We have fanatics in both races, extremists. From the evidence that has come out to me today, and the testimony, there are indications from that sworn testimony of violations of another State law, contributing to the delinquency of a minor. It is Sec tion 16-556.1, Code of Laws of South Carolina, 1960 Cumulative Supplement. “ It shall be unlawful for any person over twenty-one years of age to knowingly and wilfully encourage, aid, cause or to do any act which would cause or influence a minor to (1) violate any law or municipal ordinance; become and be an incor- SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland County 79 rigible, ungovernable or habitual disobedient beyond the control of his parents, guardian or custodian or lawful authority; become a habitual truant without just cause and without the consent of his parents, guardian or other custodian; repeatedly desert his home or place; engage in any occupation which is in violation of the law; associate with immoral or vicious persons; frequent any place, the existence of which is in violation of the law; habitual use of obscene or profane language; beg or solicit alms in any public place under any pretense or so deport himself as to wilfully injure and endanger his morals or health or health of others. Any person violating the provisions 314 of Section 16-556.1 (which I have just read) shall upon conviction be fined not more than $3,000.00 or impris oned for not more than three years, or both, at the dis cretion of the Court.” Chief Beckham, of the Law Enforcement Division, hold that man under immediate arrest until I can issue a warrant charging him with contributing to the de linquency of a minor, which I will issue. Also, I want and request that the State Law Enforcement Division, the City Police and the Sheriff Department start an m immediate investigation into this whole thing, as to who, what, when, where, why and how the adults have violated, in my opinion, this section of the law. I do hope that each one of you, with all my heart, will not be placed in this position again or place others in this position. Mr. Perry: May it please the Court, we have several more motions we would like to make. The Court: The defendants may now take their seats. Mr. Perry: May it please the Court, the defendants now, at this time, respectfully move for arrest of judg ment or in the alternative, for a new trial upon all 8 0 SUPREME COURT The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. grounds previously noted in the several motions for sM dismissal. We urge that they be repeated in the record as fully as if I were repeating them verbatim here. Mr. Coleman: The State opposes on the grounds set out in the previous argument. Mr. Perry: We renew the three motions. The Court: All motions denied. Mr. Perry: The defendants, at this time, give verbal notice of appeal. We will tender written notice. We ask that the Court at this time set an appeal bond for deliverance. sis The Court: The appeal bond for each one of the defendants will be $100.00. Mr. Perry: All right, sir. With reference to defend ant, James Edwards, Jr., at this time, we ask that bond be set for this young man. The Court: In this instance, it will be $5,000.00. Mr. Perry: Will you continue the defendants under the appearance bonds, which have previously been posted until we can handle the administrative prob lems necessary to the substitution of the appeal bonds? 819 The Court: When would that be? We will allow until Thursday morning at 10:00 o’clock, with the exception of the person who is 21 years old, with that one excep tion. (Court adjourned.) I hereby certify that the foregoing is a true and cor rect transcript of the notes of testimony taken by me at the hearing of the above cause. E leanor S. Mackey. R e p o r t e r . 390 1 SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland County 81 TRANSCRIPT OF TESTIMONY Before Honorable Prank Powell, Magistrate, on Monday, March 13, 1961, Richland County Court House, Columbia, South Carolina. Appearances: For the State: J. C. Coleman, Esq. For the Defendants: Lincoln C. Jenkins, Jr., Esq., Matthew J. Perry, Esq. The Court: I would like to announce the rules of the Court. There will be no photographs or pictures of any type taken within this courtroom during this hear ing. Every one who wishes to attend may attend as long as there is a seat available. There will be no stand ing up around the walls, cluttering up or any outbursts whatsoever. The State of South Carolina’s court has before it a warrant charging the following persons for breach of the peace: George Cleveland Foster, James Jerome Kirton, Isaac Washington, Roland Johnnie Rhames, Joseph B. Bailey, Isaac Jerome Campbell, Davie Green, Charles Fulton Barr. Are these persons present? Mr. Jenkins: They are present, Your Honor. The Court: Are they represented by an attorney? Mr. Perry: They are, sir. The Court: Will those persons, please, approach the Bench? (Defendants arraigned before the Court.) The Court: Are you the persons just named charged with breach of the peace in Columbia, South Carolina, Richland County, on March 2nd, 1961? Defendants: We are (in unison), yes, sir. The Court: Take your seats. 82 SUPREME COURT The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. Irving G. M cNayr Mr. Jenkins: At this time, if Your Honor pleases, we would like to state that these defendants plead Not Guilty. The Court: Is the defense ready for trial? Mr. Perry: We are ready. The Court: Is the State ready for trial? Mr. Coleman: The State is ready. Whereupon, Mr. Coleman called Mr. Irving G. Mc Nayr who, being first duly sworn, testified as follows: D i r e c t E x a m i n a t i o n By Mr. Coleman: Q. Mr. McNayr, I believe you are the City Manager of the City of Columbia, South Carolina? A. I am, yes, sir. Q. As such City Manager, state whether or not the law enforcement agency of the City of Columbia, the Columbia City Police Department, is under your super vision? A. The Police Department of the City of Columbia is under my direct supervision. Q. State whether or not anything occurred of an unusual nature on last March 2nd, which required you to he in the vicinity of the State House grounds? A. On March the 2nd, at about 10:45, I received a telephone call from Chief Campbell informing me that he had been informed that a meeting was being held at the Zion Baptist Church on Washington Street, and that, following that meeting, there would be a march and demonstration at the State House grounds. Q. As a result of receiving that information, what did you do? Appeal from Richland County I rving G. M cNayr A. I then asked Chief Campbell to pick me up at City Hall, to take me to the Zion Baptist Church, which he did. Q. Where did you go from Zion Baptist Church? A. From Zion Baptist Church, after we saw the Negro students beginning to leave the church and forming into groups of approximately—oh, fifteen to twenty, Chief Campbell then drove me to what is known commonly as the horseshoe at the State House grounds. Q. I see. That is the area immediately in front of the front steps of the State House, where the monu ment stands? A. Yes, sir. Q. What time did you get there? A. We got there at approximately 11:45—11:30 or 11:45. Q. What did you observe at that place? A. After about a five or ten minute wait, during which we observed that there were police officers, those from the City of Columbia, from the State of South Carolina Law Enforcement Division and some State Highway Patrol in that vicinity. We then observed the students, the Negro students marching up in groups, as I have described, up Gervais Street, moving East on Gervais Street toward the Capitol. Q. Can you estimate the approximate number of the Negro students you observed? A. I estimated at that time something around 200 Negro students. Q. Did it appear to you that they were acting in a group or in concert, from the physical appearance of the students? A. There was no question in my mind but that they were acting as a group and in concert. ________________ SUPREME COURT______________ 83 The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. Irving G. M cNayr Q. Did you have any conversation with the students 333 at that time? A. Not at that time, no, sir. Q. What did you do, with regard to the group, at that particular time? A. I did nothing in regard to the group other than chat and stand around with Chief Campbell or other police officers and with Mr. Harry Walker of the Gov ernor’s Office. Q. You were acting as an observer at that time? A. Yes, I was. 384 Q. This was what time, again, please? A. This was approximately 11:45. Q. What course of action, if any, did the Negro stu dents, to which you have just referred, take then? A. The Negro group then formed along the sidewalk between Assembly Street and the horseshoe, on the sidewalk adjacent to the Capitol, and each group was met by Mr. Walker and received instructions from him. Q. Did you hear the instructions given to the stu dents? 336 A. Yes, I did. Q. What was the nature of the instructions? Mr. Perry: May it please the Court, we respectfully interpose an objection at this time to any statement made by other persons not a defendant on trial in this case on the ground that it would be violative of the hearsay rule. Mr. Coleman: If Your Honor please, I have a par ticular purpose for getting this testimony in hut this same objection was made last time when we tried a group under similar circumstances here and I would like to clarify one matter, so far as I am concerned and that is about the hearsay rule. If this question is 84 ___________ SUPREME COURT_________________ SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland County 85 Irving G. M cNayr answered by Mr. McNayr, he is not giving information that was passed to him by a third party. The question was: were any instructions given these students, which you heard yourself. Should he testify, should he an swer that question, he is not testifying to something which was related to him by a third person. He is tes tifying to something which he actually was there and heard so, unless there is some other objection, I think the question and answer are both permissible so far as the hearsay rule goes. Mr. Perry: May it please the Court, as I understand the hearsay rule, I think the matters, about which Mr. Coleman has just addressed himself, are precisely the matters covered by the hearsay rule. He seeks from this witness testimony which would, of necessity, re peat words which were spoken by Mr. Walker to the individuals who formed the procession about which Mr. McNayr is testifying. Obviously, the best source of information, which would be available in that partic ular regard, would be the person who gave the instruc tions. To permit this witness to testify concerning ver bal instructions which were given by someone else would deprive these defendants of the right to cross examine that person concerning the content and nature of the instructions and that is precisely what the rule against hearsay evidence is predicated upon. We, there fore, urge that the testimony, which is now sought to be elicited, would he violative of the hearsay rule. Mr. Coleman: I have nothing further. The Court: Objection sustained. Q. Mr. McNayr, what course of action did the Negro students take after that, after you met them? A. After the incident which I described, the Negro students were then allowed to walk through the State 86 The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. _________ SUPREME COURT_________ Irving G. M cNayr House grounds in small groups. They proceeded to do that, many of them circling the Capitol Building, some few moving down the sidewalk towards Assembly Street. The great majority, however, circled through the State House grounds and then forming in a pro cessional line on the sidewalk—I have my directions wrong this morning—I think West of the horseshoe area, along Gervais Street. Q. How long approximately, if you can testify of your own knowledge, did this activity take? A. Approximately three quarters of an hour. Q. During that three quarters of an hour, did you observe whether or not there was any interference with the students during that three quarters of an hour? A. I observed no interference. I believe many of the groups were accompanied by police officers, either from the City of Columbia or from SLED. Q. Then, so far as you know, they were allowed to proceed for three quarters of an hour without any in terference whatsoever? A. Yes, they were. Q. All right. After this period of time, what oc curred? A. During the period which they were walking through the State House Grounds, a crowd of people were gathering, both within the horseshoe area on the Capitol side of the street and also on the opposite side of Gervais, particularly at the entrance to Main Street, the sidewalk area adjacent to the Wade Hampton Ho tel and I believe it’s the Palmetto State Life Insurance Building on the other corner. I have estimated the crowd at somewhere around 300 or 350 people, other than the students. This was during the lunch period SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland County 87 Irving G. M cNayr and more and more people were proceeding from other State office buildings, I assumed, through the State House Grounds, also, those persons coming down to lunch in the downtown area would be gathering in the crowd. Q. I believe, Mr. McNayr, there are sidewalks on each side of the horseshoe? A. Yes, there are. Q. I believe, also, there are lanes for vehicular traf fic on each side of the monument on each side of the horseshoe area? A. Yes, sir, there are. Q. These people, whom you have testified had just begun to gather within this area, where were they with relation to the sidewalks and the streets for vehicular traffic? ,A. Many of them were gathering on the sidewalks, adjacent to these sidewalks, and into the what would normally be the traveled way for cars parking within that horseshoe area. Q. So far as it appeared to you that it might or might mot have any affect on the pedestrian and vehic ular traffic along those sidewalks and along those ve hicular lanes, this crowd or number of people, who had gathered, other than the students, did they have any affect on that pedestrian and vehicular traffic, so far as you could tell? A. Yes, they did. Chief Campbell had to place an officer in the intersection of Gervais and Main to direct traffic because a group like that normally would slow down traffic anyway, going on Gervais and Main, and, in addition to that, we had on numerous occasions to 88 SUPREME COURT The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. Irving G. M cNayr order the people to move out of the pedestrian walk ways so that groups could get through. Q. Did this crowd gather all at once or did it in crease over the period of three quarters of an hour? A. It increased all during that period. Q. Did it appear to you that it was increasing and would increase further at that time? A. Yes, it did. Q. All right. What action then, if any, did you take? A. When the groups, after they came through the State Capitol Grounds and started to form on the side walk West of the horseshoe area, I then got in touch with the recognized leader of the group, David Carter, who was in that immediate vicinity and told him that because of the gathering of the crowd, because of the fact that the sidewalks were being blocked, because there was always in a group like that a chance for violence and rioting to occur, that I felt that the stu dents must be dispersed and asked him to request each group to disperse and to go in orderly fashion back to their cars or their campus in small groups. Q. Do you know of your own personal knowledge whether or not David Carter did relay this information to the various groups ? A. Yes, I do. I was in his presence, oh, for fifteen minutes. I failed to add in my previous testimony that I told him that I felt that they should have fifteen min utes in which to disperse. Mr. Perry: May it please the Court, I now offer a belated objection to any conversation with a person not on trial in this proceeding. Now, I do recognize that the witness has identified the person, whom he had this conversation with, as the recognized leader of the SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland County 89 Irving Gf. M cNayr group. We hasten to add that this person is not today on trial and any conversation, which Mr. McNayr had with him, is irrelevant to the proceeding against the persons on trial this morning. We, therefore, inter pose an objection on the grounds of irrelevancy of that testimony and we move that all testimony with refer ence to the subject be stricken from the record. Mr. Coleman: If Your Honor please, we are dealing here with a large crowd of people. It is manifestly im possible for Mr. McNayr or any one else, even if he had done so, to remember giving any instructions to the particular defendants on trial here today. He has testified that the entire body of students, consisting of 200, maybe a little more or a little less, were acting in concert as a group. These defendants were amongst that group. He has testified that this David Carter ap peared to him and Avas the recognized leader of that group. Any instructions, any information which was conveyed by Mr. McNayr could not possibly have been conveyed individually to each of the 200 people there. As far as it being relevant, I should think it’s probably the most relevant point in the case. The students were allowed to demonstrate, to march for three quarters of an hour. Mr. McNayr has testified that they were al lowed to do so entirely unmolested. Nobody bothered them. Crowds began to gather, apparently attracted by these demonstrations, streets were blocked, sidewalks were blocked, it was up to him to give some official in structions to this group. He couldn’t go to each one. He gave it to the recognized leader. The leader gave it to the students in his presence. He is not testifying to what anybody told him. We can’t show that and it’s 90 The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. _________ SUPREME COURT_________ Irving Gr. M cNayr impossible to ever deal in that manner with any crowd of people. Mr. Perry: By way of reply, may I say, first of all, that there is no evidence that the eight dedendants on trial today were involved in the procession of indi viduals on March the 2nd, unless Your Honor con siders the fact that they later made bond, while under arrest at the City or County jail, as evidence of their complicity in the activities of the day previous. I re spectfully urge that the fact that they later made bond does not show that they engaged in any procession. That being the case, the statement made by Mr. Cole man in that particular respect that the proferred testi mony of Mr. McNayr at this time would tend to show that these defendants received a communication is not borne out by the logical sequence of the events as the evidence now relates them to be. We respectfully show that the testimony now sought to be elicited is irrele vant because it constitutes a conversation which oc curred between Mr. McNayr and the individual whom he identified as the recognized leader of the group. It is not shown that the conversation was with either of these defendants and we, therefore, respectfully sub mit that his testimony is irrelevant to the issues of this case today. Mr. Coleman: If Your Honor please, Mr. McNayr has not testified that he and David Carter or anyone else gave instructions to these individual defendants. The activities of this entire group is the very body of the crime with which they are charged and he is tes tifying as to official instructions which were given to the large group, not the individual defendants. SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland County 91 Irving G. M cNayr The Court: Objection overruled. The witness will answer the question. Q. Mr. McNayr, will you please proceed with your testimony. You had just testified that you had given certain instructions to David Carter and David Carter had relayed that information to various groups of stu dents in your presence? A. Yes. I stayed with David. Each group was brought up and he talked to them. He did not give the instructions as I gave them to him. I gave them to him in much the same manner as I am speaking at the moment— Mr. Perry: Now, may it please the Court, we respect fully object to testimony concerning what David Car ter may or may not have stated to other persons. We want it included in the objection on the ground that that is in violation of the rule of hearsay. Now, my previous objection was different. My previous objec tion was to any conversation between Mr. McNayr and David Carter. Of course, Your Honor has overruled that objection but now the objection is to the instruc tions, which David Carter may or may not have com municated to the other individuals. Now, Your Honor has previously ruled out testimony concerning what another State official communicated to the defendants by way of instructions. I respectfully submit that any instructions which David Carter may have communi cated wmuld be subject to the same objection, which we interposed previously, on the ground that it violates the hearsay rule. Mr. Coleman: If Your Honor please, since the ques tion is not very important, I ’ll withdraw it. 92 SUPREME COURT The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. ____ Irving G. M cNayr Q. Mr. McNayr, after your conversation with David Carter, would you describe the activities of the Negro students, after you approached them yourself, and with David Carter? Q. There developed a singing, chanting, shouting response, such as one would get in a religious atmos phere ; loud singing, stomping and so on, on the part of each group of students and the students as a whole. Q. Was this audible for some distance? A. I would guess it was audible all throughout the area. Mr. Perry: I object to that testimony. It is specula tive. A. It is. Q. Did the students disperse after the chanting, which you have just described? A. No, they did not. Q. What was the size of the croivd of people in the horseshoe area, Mr. McNayr, at that time, with re lation to what it had been when you first got there? A. It had grown from a relatively small group of probably 30 to 35 people to something in the neighbor hood of a 100 to 150 within the horseshoe area. Q. What affect, if any, did this gathering of persons in or about the horseshoe appear to you to have on traffic, say on Gervais Street? A. It was slowing up traffic on Gervais Street. Any loud singing, stomping of the feet and so on, such as occurred, would tend, of course, to slow down any traffic. Mr. Perry: Objection. That testimony is speculative. A. This is not speculative. This I observed. SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland County- 93 Irving G. M cNayr Mr. Coleman: The witness has testified as to what he saw and it is not speculative. Mr. Perry: It is not what he is testifying to in re sponse to Mr. Coleman’s question as to what effect it had on traffic. If the witness is being responsive to Mr. Coleman, the witness is testifying as to the effect that the singing had on moving traffic. Mr. Coleman: The question didn’t have anything to do with the singing. The question was what effect did the gathering of persons in the horseshoe appear to have on traffic. Mr. Perry: There again, Tour Honor, I ’m sure, of course, you are familiar with the area described as the horseshoe in front of the State House Grounds, and the testimony, as I understand it, is that the groups of persons were assembled, at least in part, within the horseshoe area. There is no testimony that these per sons extended out into the intersection of Main and Gervais, therefore, testimony on the part of Mr. Mc Nayr as to the effect of an assemblage within the horseshoe area upon traffic on Gervais Street would of necessity be speculative. It involved the giving of a conclusion on the part of this witness, which I feel the Court, in the interest of the expeditious and impartial administration of justice, should not permit. I think the answers, which the witness is giving to prove the State’s position, they have sought to prove it, except that we deny that it constitutes a breach of peace. They can prove their case without going into specula tive testimony or testimony which tends to represent the conclusions of the witness. Q. Mr. McNayr, have you observed from time to time— 94 SUPREME COURT The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. Irving G-. M cNayr Mr. Coleman: Pardon me, did your objection relate to the whole testimony? The Court: As the Court understands your objec tion, it is just to the effect what Mr. McNayr saw on the traffic that was moving on Gervais Street. Mr. Perry: As I understood the question, that was my objection. The Court: Objection sustained. Q. Mr. McNayr, are you familiar with and have you observed from time to time the normal flow of traffic on Gervais Street? A. Yes, I have. Q. Did you observe the traffic on Gervais Street at the time you just spoke of when the crowd of persons had gathered in the horseshoe? A. Yes, sir. Q. Was it normal? A. The traffic was very considerably slowed down. There was a large volume of traffic but it had slowed down considerably. Q. State whether or not there was any congestion of traffic? A. Yes, there was congestion. Q. All right, sir. What official action, if any, did you take at that time, Mr. McNayr, after the failure of the students, as you have testified to, to disperse? A. I then informed Chief Campbell of my conversa tions with David Carter and, after waiting the fifteen minute period, he proceeded to arrest all of the Negro students in the State House area, both on the sidewalk and those still within the State House Grounds. He was aided during this period, of course, by the South Carolina Law Enforcement Division officers. SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland County 95 Irving G. M cNayr The Court: Court will take a 15 minute recess. (Court reconvened.) C r o s s E x a m i n a t i o n By Mr. Perry: Q. Mr. McNayr, I believe that you have stated that you are in charge of the police activities in the City of Columbia by virtue of your being City Manager? A. Yes, I am. Q. On March the 2nd, how many officers of the Co lumbia City Police Department did you have assembled in the area around the State House Grounds ? A. I think you would have to re-word your question: how many officers were assembled there. I would guess somewhere between twenty and thirty. Q. I see. May I ask, sir, were they all congregated in the area which you describe as the horseshoe or were they all scattered around on other parts of the State House property? A. They were not immediately assembled there in the horseshoe but they were largely within the horse shoe area, yes. Q. I see. Sir, as you observed the various groups of Negro students approaching the State House Grounds, I believe you have stated that they approached in groups, which were separated from each other but ob viously moving in concert? A. Yes. Q. Will you describe the size of the various groups? A. I would say they varied in size, anywhere from fifteen to thirty. Q. I see. Now, those various groups, which you have described, were walking, I believe you said, upon the sidewalks, first of all, adjacent to the State House 96 SUPREME COURT The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. Ibving G. M cNayr property and later they entered the State House Grounds, after having stopped and received some in structions from a State Government official? A. That’s correct. Q. In what manner were they proceeding? Were they, for instance, walking single file or walking two abreast or would you describe the manner in which they were proceeding? A. When they moved to the State House originally or after receiving instructions? Q. May I ask you, sir, to touch upon how they were walking originally and how they later walked? A. Originally, they were walking in pairs, two abreast. If I recall correctly, they continued to walk through the Grounds two abreast. Q. I see. Now, as I understand, the sidewalks that are placed on the State House Grounds are wide enough for more than two persons to walk upon them, are they not? ,A. Yes, they are. Q. Was it possible for any persons, other than the students engaged in this procession, to walk upon the sidewalks at the same time? A. It was possible but, I would say, difficult be cause I am not thoroughly familiar with all of the walks of the State House Grounds and they may well have broken into single file in order to let others pass. Q. Now, sir, as you observed the procession of stu dents walking, as you say, in separate groups, in col umns of twos, to paraphrase what you have said, will you describe how far apart each two students were walking behind each other? My question really is, were SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland County 97 Irving G. McNayr they walking as far apart as arm’s length or were they walking farther apart than that? A. I would say at arm length or closer. Q. Arm’s length or closer. Now, sir, you were pres ent and at least in command of the Columbia City Police on this occasion, did you receive any complaint from any person who complained of not having been able to use the sidewalks or to pass? A. Yes, I did. Q. I see. Who was that person? A. There were a number of persons, I can’t identify them as such, they were mostly white ladies coming through the State House Grounds from apparently a State Office Building on the other side. Q. Now, may I ask you to comment, sir, upon the nature of the complaints that were made to you? A. The nature generally was very general, to the effect that they didn’t think this sort of thing should be allowed, that they were having difficulty passing through the State House Grounds going to their ac customed eating places. Q. I see, but they obviously were successful in pass ing through the State House Grounds. They were not prohibited by any conduct. A. They were successful in getting as far as me. I don’t know what happened to them. Q. Were the persons engaged in the procession well dressed and generally well demeaned? A. Yes, they were. Q. Except for the fact that at one point, about which you have already testified, concerning the fact that they started singing, except for the singing itself, was their conduct generally well behaved? 98 SUPREME COURT The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. Irving Gr. M cNayr A. I also testified that they were not only singing but stamping their feet, shouting, responding to a harangue. Q. Now, at this time— A. I would not in answer to your question call them well behaved at that stage. Q. Prior to that time, you will agree that they were well behaved? A. Yes. Q. May I ask you, sir, when in point of time did you, acting in your official capacity, either yourself or your officers place the persons engaged in the pro cession under arrest or directed that they be placed under arrest? A. Which do you want to know? Do you want to know when I gave the instructions that they be dis persed within fifteen minutes or when they were ac tually placed under arrest? Q. My question had to do with when were they placed under arrest? A. I can answer this one exactly—at exactly a quarter past one. Q. Now, at the time the persons were placed under arrest, were they singing? A. Yes. I think I could add, singing and stomping their feet and yelling and shouting. Q. Now, of course, you do not know whether any of these defendants were so engaged, do you, A. I can identify a few of them by sight. I don’t know their names. There were at least three or four of them I could place right there at the scene. Q. What song or songs were they singing? SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland County 99 Irving G. M cNayr A. As I testified at the last hearing, there was so much noise and shouting and singing going on that at first I couldn’t identify. I think you informed me and I do recalleet that they were singing the Star Spangled Banner; then they had one of their own apparently, the hymn sort of thing, “We will not go along” or some thing of that nature. Q. So, they were singing the Star Spangled Banner in what you would describe as a loud tone! A. Loud and boisterous. Q. Now, sir, you did not say boisterous before. Let’s consider—what do you mean by boisterous! A. Again, loud, flamboyant, all of those synonyms describing boisterousness, which you have made. Q. I ’m afraid that doesn’t describe the term; per haps you did not use the term boisterous. I understand that you did say they were loud, but do I understand that you are accusing them of singing the Star Span gled Banner in any manner other than a respectful one! A. Yes, I am, and I meant to imply that, actually. They were shouting; they were stomping their feet; they were raising their hands, in a manner which I would describe as boisterous. Q. Were they disrespectful to you! A. Yes, very definitely. Q. Disrespectful in what manner, sir! A. In the manner of not following any orderly pro cedure, continuing to shout and yell. They had been aroused to this pitch. You did not allow me to give the testimony of the harangue which raised them up to this point but they were aroused to a fever pitch caus ing this boisterousness, this singing and stomping. 100 SUPREME COURT The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. Irving Gr. M cNayr Q. Did any of them use any profanity? A. No, I heard no profanity. Q. Did any of them act comtemptuous towards you or towards any bystanders? A. Only in the manner of shouting and singing as I have described; no leering or anything like that. Q. The singing of the Star Spangled Banner would not express contempt towards you, would it? A. It was in contempt of my request, yes. Q. May I ask you, Mr. McNayr, why did you direct the arrest of the defendants or the persons involved in the procession? A. Because, in .my judgment, the size of the crowd had reached such proportions that I felt that it was possible that we might have a riot or other violence in the area. 399 Q. Now, what led you to believe that there might be a riot? A. Simply by the size of the crowd, by the activities of the students, the rousing of the interest of those persons in the crowd to a point where they might well have rioted. Q. Did you observe any persons among the on-look ers who tried to do violence or to in any manner in- terefere with the persons engaged in the procession? A. I saw no actual violence. There were in the crowd, however, types of people whom we recognize were will ing, ready and able and eager to create voilence. Q. What, if anything, did you do as the Commander- in-Chief of the Columbia Police on this occasion to interfere with those potential trouble makers, other than ordering the arrest of the persons engaged in the procession? SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland County 101 Irving G. M cNayr A. That was the principal thing to do, to get rid of the source of the potential trouble. Q. Yon have jnst described the persons in the pro cession as being generally well behaved up until they started singing? A. Yes. Q. I believe that you have not sought to testify that any of them were of a violent attitude. You said some were boisterous but you have not said they were vio lent. A. That’s correct. Q. You have not said that any of them were poten tially trouble makers or of a violent attitude? ,A. I don’t believe I ’ve said that. I don’t recognize them as potential trouble makers other than the fact that they— Q. You never arrested the recognized persons among the on-lookers who were potential trouble mak ers? A. No. Q. And yet you did nothing about them? A. There was nothing that I could do. They were not devoloping any activity which could have led to their arrest, but the students were. Q. But you recognized that their mere presence led you, if I ’m quoting you correctly, to in your judgment to feel that the situation had gone far enough ? A. That is correct. Mr. Coleman: If Your Honor please, counsel said that Mr. McNayr testified that their mere presence created this thing and I ’m quite sure if the testimony is read back, it was not their presence but that com- 102 SUPREME COURT The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. Irving G. M cNayr Chief L. J. Campbell bined with the activities. I ’m not trying to testify as to what the witness said but he is misquoting him there. Mr. Perry: I did not intend to alter any of Mr. Mc Nayr’s testimony. I do apologize. The Court: Objection sustained. Mr. Perry: Thank you, sir. No further questions. (Witness excused.) Whereupon, Mr. Coleman called Chief L. J. Camp- 40* bell who, being first duly sworn, testified as follows: D i r e c t E x a m i n a t i o n By Mr. Coleman: Q. Your full name is L. J. Campbell1? A. That’s right. Q. Are you the Chief of Police of the City of Co lumbia? A. I am. Q. Did anything occur of an unusual nature on last March the 2nd which caused you to be in the vicinity of 407 the horseshoe of the State House Grounds? A. Yes. I had information that there would be a march on the State House Grounds on the morning of March the 2nd. Q. As a result of that information, did you go to the State House Grounds ? A. I did. Q. What time did you arrive there? A. I would say about 11:15 or 11:30, somewhere around there. Q. Where exactly or in what immediate vicinity did you station yourself? SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland County 103 Chief L. J. Campbell A. At the intersection of the horseshoe and Gervais and Main. Q. Would you state what you observed at that time! A. When I arrived, I observed a group of students coming East on Gervais in the direction of the State House from Gadsden Street. Q. Would you describe the appearance of this group of students'? A. Well, groups of from fifteen to twenty and there were several groups travelling in the direction of the State House. Q. Were they Negro students? A. They were. Q. How close together, if you can tell us, Chief Campbell, were these groups? A. I believe they were a third of a block apart or something like that. Q. Can you estimate the size of the entire group of students ? A. I thought there was in the neighborhood of 200, in my opinion. Q. What did the students do? A. They marched on to the corner of the horseshoe at Gervais and Main, on the West side. They were ap proached there by Mr. Walker, the legal assistant to the Governor, and myself and Mr. McNayr, and I be lieve Mr. Shorter was there; I don’t remember whether Mr. Beckman was there or not. Mr. Shorter was, I know. Q. Did either of the students or anyone acting on their behalf with them make any statement in your presence at that time? 104 SUPREME COURT The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. Chief L. J. Campbell A. Students? The only statement that was made at that time was that they were asked by Mr. Walker, if the student who was leading, was he in charge of their group. Q. Do you remember who that student was? A. No. Q. All right. Describe the activity, if any, which the students engaged in thereafter? A. Well, they proceeded to go through the State House Grounds and they were instructed that they had a right to go through the State House Grounds but it must he peaceful. Q. How long did this activity continue? A. I would say for forty-five minutes or longer, may be forty-five minutes. Q. Chief Campbell, when you first arrived at the horseshoe, were there any other people in and about the horseshoe except the students? A. When we first arrived, the students had not ar rived. Q. Were there any other people in or about the horseshoe at that time? A. There were some police officers in and around the horseshoe area and a few civilians. Q. What do you mean by a few? A. I ’d say fifteen or twenty civilians. Q. How long did this procedure or this marching or walking around the State House Grounds continue ? A. I ’d say approximately forty-five minutes or longer. Q. Did you remain in the horseshoe during this peri od of time? A. I did. 416 SUPBEME COUBT Appeal from Bichland County 105 Chief L. J. Campbell Q. Describe what you observed as to whether or not there were any people in the horseshoe after the forty- five-minute period? A. A large crowd had assembled. Q. What were they doing? A. Mingling around, talking, congesting the inter section. Q. With relation to the sidewalks on either side of the horseshoe, the lanes for vehicular traffic, where was this crowd of people? A. Of course, they were crossing back and forth on Gervais Street, on the sidewalks, on the horseshoe and all around the intersection. Q. State whether or not this crowd appeared to you to be impeding traffic? A. They did. We placed a man at the intersection to handle motor vehicle and pedestrian traffic. Q. Were any of the Negro students in or about the horseshoe at this time? A. They would cross the horseshoe from the West to the East and from the East to the West on the sidewalks. Q. Do I understand you to say that they were in a process of continual movements in and about the State House Grounds, including the horseshoe? A. That’s correct. Q. All right, sir. After the forty-five minute period had expired, what action, if any, did you take? A. Mr. McNayr instructed David Carter, who we considered the leader, whom we have dealt with for a period of a year, that the crowd was gathering and we would like for them to disperse within fifteen min utes. 106 SUPREME COURT The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. Chief L. J. Campbell Q. Did they disperse at the end of the fifteen min utes? A. They did not. Q. What action, if any, did you then take? A. We arrested them at 1:15. Q. Chief Campbell, how long have you been a po lice officer? A. Thirty-one years. Q. All of that time in the City of Columbia? A. Yes, sir. Q. State whether or not the presence of these stu- 422 dents, that you have testified to, the presence of the increased crowd of on-lookers, as you have testified, had any affect on any official action that you took there that day? A. Yes, it did. When a large group of people gather on an occasion of that kind, you never know what’s in the mind of people so I felt, for the safety of every body concerned, that the demonstration should be dis continued. Q. Was this the reason for your participation in the arrest of these students ? A. That’s correct. C r o s s E x a m i n a t i o n By Mr. Jenkins: Q. Chief Campbell, I believe your testimony is that the persons on that day were participating in a so- called demonstration in walking groups, is that right! A. That’s correct. Q. You testified as to the size of the individual groups ? 424 A. I ’d say they ran from fifteen to twenty normally. At times it was larger groups than that. Now, on the SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland County 107 Chief L. J. Campbell State House Grounds, I think probably two groups might get together, you know, in shutfling around. I would say there were larger groups at times. Q. I believe you stated that the groups were ap proximately one-third of a block apart but walking East on Gervais Street towards the State House Grounds ? A. I would say approximately that. Q. You were present, I believe, at the horseshoe when the groups were stopped, the individual groups? A. That’s right. Q. Now, when these groups were stopped, did that tend to make the second group move closer to the first group ? A. It did. Q. And perhaps lose its identity as a separate group from the first group, is that correct? A. That’s correct. Q. That was after the group in front had been stopped, however, isn’t it? A. That’s correct. Q. I believe you testified that each individual group was stopped near the horseshoe? A. That’s correct. Q. Then they proceeded on to the State House Grounds ? A. That is correct. Q. I read your affidavit on the warrant and on that affidavit you stated that some of these persons in the groups were bearing placards, is that correct? A. That’s correct. Q. Did you examine any of these placards? A. I read some of the signs, religious things, words referring to demonstration. 108 SUPREME COURT The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. Chief L. J. Campbell Q. Words referring to what, Chief? A. Demonstration. I ’ve forgotten what was on them; seems like it was religions verses, for one thing. I couldn’t say. Q. Do you recall whether or not some placards car ried what you would call discrimination slogans? A. Yes. Q. Do you recall that some of these placards car ried wording to the effect that they were protesting against certain conditions? A. I would say that was the wording. I couldn’t tell you what it was, hut I would say that was what was meant. Q. That’s the general sense? A. That’s right. Q. Chief, did you form any opinion as to the purpose of that march on that day? Mr. Coleman: If Your Honor please, that has utterly nothing to do with the charge of the breach of the peace brought here today, Chief’s opinion on what the purpose of the march might have been. We’re getting into the socialogical question and that is not involved here. We’re dealing here with the activities of these de fendants, acting in concert, a large group of students and their purpose in being there is not related to the question before the Court today. The Court: Objection sustained. Q. Chief, did you talk with any of these persons who participated in the march on that day? A. I don’t believe I did, direct. I might have talked to Dave Carter, I think I did. Q. Did you hear— A. I did talk to Dave Carter, yes. 432 SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland County 109 Chief L. J. Campbell Q. When these persons walked along in groups, were they conversing among themselves? A. Yes, some. Q. Do you recall anything which they may have said? A. No, I can’t. Q. Now, when they were marching East on Gervais Street in individual groups approaching the horseshoe, did you observe them obstructing any traffic, vehicular or pedestrian? A. Of course, when they stopped, they probably did obstruct some traffic. They were two abreast and prob ably single file could have gotten by all right. Still, at that time, they had not been given instructions. Q. Prior to being stopped by you and other police officers, they had obstructed no traffic? A. I said they were in pairs and I would say a single file could have gotten by all right. Q. Now, they walked peaceably on to the State House Grounds ? A. That’s correct. Q. Do you recall whether or not they were carrying placards at that time? A. They were at the beginning. Q. Do you recall what finally happened as far as the placards are concerned? A. I can’t swear but I think that Dave Carter taken up the cards. He did take up some, I know, but whether he taken up all, I don’t know. Q. Did you, Chief, walk around the State House Building with any of these persons? A. I did not. I stayed at the horseshoe. I placed men over the grounds. 110 SUPREME COURT The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. Chief L. J. Campbell Q. Did any of yonr men make a report that any of 4 these persons were disorderly in walking aronnd the State House Grounds? A. They did not. Q. Under normal circumstances your men would re port to you when you are at the scene? A. They should. Q. Is it reasonable to assume then that there was no disorderly conduct on the part of these persons, since you received no report from your officers? A. I would take that for granted, yes. 438 Q. Now, Chief, when these groups of persons were stopped there at the horeshoe to be given certain in structions, it tended to slow down the whole walk, did it not? A. Slow down the walk? Q. Slow down the normal manner in which the groups were walking, isn’t that true? A. I couldn’t answer that. Q. Did all of the various groups of persons go on to the State Capitol Grounds? 439 A. They did. Q. Did they ever at any one time congregate them selves together in a massed group ? A. I don’t know whether you would call it massed; I would say that I saw two or three of the groups get together when they came out of the State House grounds and back up the sidewalk headed West, they did cross the intersection at the horseshoe back to the West corner. Q. Do I understand your testimony to be then that as they marched around the State House Grounds and 440 came back West, when they got here at the horseshoe some of the groups tended to come together? SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland County 111 Chief L. J. Campbell A. That’s right. Q. Were they tending to come together because there were other persons standing there around the horse shoe? A. Yes, other people were standing around the horseshoe. Q. I believe, also, you were there stationed with other officers and, at this time, gave instructions to some of the group as to dispersement? A. Mr. McNayr did. . Q. You were present? A. That’s right. Q. Was it not at that time, also, that these persons tended to come together in larger numbers? A. No, they would come together in larger numbers waiting for the walk light in the traffic lights. Q. They were, then, observing the traffic regula tions ? A. That’s right. Q. So that, as any normal group of persons on the street tend to do when they come to a street where it has a red traffic signal, he would just have to stop? A. That’s it. Q. That would normally mean that you would come together closer? A. That’s right. Q. Your testimony is, Chief, that there never was at any time any one grouping of all of these persons together? A. All? No, I wouldn’t say that. Q. From all appearances, they were trying to keep from creating any traffic congestion. Would you state that as a fact? The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. Chief L. J. Campbell 445 Mr. Coleman: He can’t state as a fact what these students tended to do. The Court: Objection sustained. Q. Chief, you have been in law enforcement, I be lieve you said for thirty-one years? A. Yes. Q. Chief, do you recognize any of these eight de fendants today as having been arrested by you or any of your officers? A. I couldn’t identify them, no. 446 Q- Do you recognize any of them as having partici pated in any specific act on March the 2nd, which led to the arrest of those persons? A. The only thing I can say here is that they an swered to their names when they were called and their names are on the arrest record and their fingerprints are on the arrest record, but as to identifying one or picking out one, I could not. Q. As to identifying what any one did, while on the State House grounds or in that vicinity, you cannot w identify them? A. I could not. Q. Now, because of your training, Chief, what you had observed would stick in your mind, is that not true? Very keenly, isn’t that true? A. What I observed, yes. Q. Now, your special training as a police officer would make images that you observed stick keenly in your mind? A. What I observed? Q. Yes. A. Well, I ’d say a majority of it would, yes. 112 SUPREME COURT________________ 448 SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland County 113 Chief L. J. Campbell Q. Because of your training, incidents which take ^ place in your presence would register more keenly than with a normal person, isn’t that true? A. Well, it could. Naturally I try to observe. Q. If you had observed these defendants or any of them breaching the peace, that woud have registered with you, would it not? A. Well, it did register. Q. Yet, Chief, I believe you testified that you had no conscious impression of any of these individuals participating in any act which led to their arrest? Did you not testify to that? A. They were with a group that carried cards; they were with a group that were singing and they were with a group which were very loud and boisterous. Q. That is an assumption, which you yourself have testified that you made, because down at Police Head quarters they answered to their names, they were fin gerprinted, they were charged with the breach of the peace? A. With a group of people, yes. Q. Chief, do you recall any individual making a com- «i plaint to you that they were not able to use the side walks or cross the streets because of these persons in- voved? A. I had a couple of people to make the remark “Won’t you move these people, they are causing con gestion” and so forth. I don’t know who they were. Q. Chief, I am reading from the official transcript of the hearing held on Tuesday, March, the 7th, and I am reading from your testimony. “ Q. Within your view, did they block anything? A. At times they blocked m the sidewalks and we asked them to move over and they did. Q. Did they obey your commands on that? 114 The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. SUPREME COURT_________ Chief L. J. Campbell A. Yes. Q. So that nobody complained that he wanted to nse the sidewalk and he conld not do it? A. I didn’t have any complaints on that.” Do you recall that testimony, sir? A. I don’t remember. Q. You were here the day that that testimony was given? A. I said that I had remarks from a couple of peo ple and they said “Why don’t you move these people away from here? They are causing congestion.” Q. But that was just in general a remark? 454 A. A general remark. I wouldn’t say who it was, I couldn’t tell you who it was. Q. They didn’t state that they, individually, were inconvenienced ? A. I think I did testify that I did ask pedestrians to move on and not block the sidewalks. Q. I believe you did testify to that. You also testi fied that they moved on at your command? A. That’s right. Q. Did you arrest on that day, in that area, Chief, <55 any one other than the persons who are defendants be fore this Court today and other persons charged with the breach of the peace? A. There were 189 or 190 arrested. Q. They were persons which you say participated in the walk through the State House grounds? A. That’s correct. Q. You made no arrest of anyone else, other than these persons? A. No. Q. No persons who were a part of the on-looking group was arrested? A. No. SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland County 115 Chief L. J. Campbell Q. Thank you. No further questions. By Mr. Coleman: Q. Chief, just a moment. Mr. Coleman: May I see the warrant, Your Honor1? Tte Court: Yes. (Handing warrant to counsel.) Q. Chief, I have in my hand a paper entitled “Ar rest Warrant” , State against George Cleveland Fos ter, James Jerome Kirton, Isaac Washington, Roland Johnnie Rhames, Joseph B. Bailey, Isaac Jerome Campbell, David Green and Charles Fulton Barr. Do you recognize that paper? A. Yes, sir, that’s my signature. Q. Do you recognize the persons who are named therein as having been within the group of names of persons which were arrested on March the 2nd and a part of the student group about which testimony has previously been given? A. These names were called. Mr. Jenkins: If Your Honor please, we will agree that the record will show that these eight defendants were charged on that warrant, they were arrested and that he signed the arrest records and they were finger printed, also. Q. Were any other persons, other than the ones brought down to the Police Station and for which war rants were issued and which you signed, arrested that day in and around the State House grounds, to your knowledge? A. Did I sign warrants against any other group? Q. Yes. A. I did. Q. Any other except the students involved in the demonstrations ? A. No. 116 SUPREME COURT The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. ___ Chief L. J. Campbell Q. So, then, the persons named in here were a part of the larger group which had been arrested by you and other officers and brought to the Police Station from the State House grounds? A. That’s correct. The names were called that night by the Judge and they answered to their names in my presence. Q. Chief, you were questioned on cross examination at length about the appearance and orderliness of the student group. Were they orderly at all times? A. Not at the last. 482 Q. Would you describe the activities at the last? A. As I have stated, they were singing and, also, when they were getting certain instructions, they were very loud and boisterous. By Mr. Jenkins: Q. As I understand your answer to the last question posed by counsel, you said after they were given cer tain instructions they became loud and boisterous? A. Yes. Q. Were those the instructions, which previously 463 have been testified to, that they had fifteen minutes, or something to that effect, to leave the grounds? A. I believe your question is was that— Q. Let me rephrase the question. Chief, we were talking about certain instructions given them and after them they became loud and boisterous? A. That is correct. Q. Now, were those the instructions to the effect that they would have a certain length of time in which to leave these grounds? A. That is correct. 464 Q. Chief, I am reading again from your testimony the other day and, in answer to a question, you said SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland County 117 Chief L. J. Campbell Dan Beckman this: “Well, they were singing and right noisy at times, particularly after the order was given to give them fif teen minutes to disband” . Do you recall that? A. I just testified to that. Q. Now, when you said today, in response to ques tion from counsel, that they were singing and boister ous, you meant the same “ that they were singing and right noisy at times” ? A. That’s right. I think they mean the same thing. (Witness excused.) Whereupon, Mr. Coleman called Mr. Dan Beckman, who, being first duly sworn, testified as follows: D i r e c t E x a m i n a t i o n By Mr. Coleman: Q. Mr. Beckman, what is your occupation? A. Assistant Chief, South Carolina Law Enforce ment Division. Q. In your official capacity, Mr. Beckman, as a mem ber of the South Carolina Law Enforcement Division, dd you have occasion last March, the 2nd, to be in the vicinity of the State House grounds in the City of Columbia? A. Yes, I did. Q. What time did you arrive that day? A. Right around noon, maybe a little after. Q. Could you locate yourself upon arrival as to the front, back or side of the State House? Where were you with relation to the horseshoe? A. I got there shortly before noon. There were a few officers from the Sheriff’s Department, maybe five or six from the Sheriff’s Department, maybe one of 1 1 8 Dan B eckman our men, and I went on around to the back of the building. Q. What, if anything, occurred after your arrival! A. I came around from the back of the building, that was around on, I guess, South Main Street side, I came back around and I did observe one or two groups of colored people walking around the State House Build ing, which would be, facing Main Street, going around in this direction (indicating to the right), and other groups followed after that. Several police officers were around. 470 Q. Did this activity of the students to which you refer continue! A. It continued for forty-five minutes, maybe an hour. Q. Did you observe the area in and around the horseshoe upon your arrival at the State House grounds! A. You mean when I first arrived or when the group started going through! Q. When you first arrived! 471 A. It was clear. There wasn’t anybody around there at that time. The officers that I observed were stand ing up on the State House steps. I didn’t pay any atten tion much because I didn’t notice anybody around at that time. Q. Within your personal knowledge, what occurred with relation to persons in the horseshoe or the ab sence of persons in the horseshoe during that forty- five-minute period! A. Well, there was a large crowd of people in that area. It was right around lunch time and I believe I 412 observed Mr. Walker talking to a group. I was in the back part, about middle-ways in there. SUPREME COURT The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland County 119 Dan Beckman Q. With regard to the sidewalks on either side of the monument and the lanes for vehicular traffic on each side of the horseshoe, where were these crowds located? A. They were up on the corners, the corner of Ger- vais and the horseshoe, across the street; there were a group of people gathering over there by the hotel and I noticed a group of people across from the other cor ner, I think that’s the Palmetto Building over there, and there were people to the right, on the corner of Gervais and the horseshoe, and all around up in front. Q. Were these people included in the crowd occupy ing the streets, the sidewalks? A. Some of them were. Some were on the sidewalks and some were in the front of that horseshoe. I ob served some in front of the horseshoe area. Q. Was the traffic moving in a normal manner or had it become stationary, more or less? A. The traffic was moving slow at that time. If any body had tried to get in that horseshoe, certainly they would have been held up trying to get in or out at that time. C r o s s E x a m i n a t i o n By Mr. Perry: Q. Lieutenant Beckman, you said if anybody had tried to use that road around the horseshoe they would have been blocked? A. I ’m satisfied they would have had difficulty get ting in or out. Q. Did anybody attempt to use that, sir? A. I didn’t observe anyone trying to use it, any ve hicle trying to get out of there. Q. Thank you, Lieutenant Beckman. Lieutenant Beckman, I understand that you, too, were present and 120 SUPREME COURT The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. Dan B eckman observed the students as they walked around the State House premises for some time? A. That’s correct. Q. Now, Chief Campbell has stated that generally the students were well demeaned. Do you agree with that statement? A. To a certain extent. Q. To a certain point? A. That’s correct. Q. I believe, at which time he stated that they started singing in what he described as a noisy fashion ? A. That’s right. Q. Now, sir, Chief Campbell also stated that as he observed the students walking through the State House grounds, they were at times, some of them, in columns of twos and in some instances he observed them single file. Did you observe the same thing? A. That’s correct. Q. Did you, sir, observe that persons who also wanted to use the sidewalks were able to do so? A. At times the sidewalks were blocked and they could not have gone through unless somebody asked them to move, I ’ll have to put it that way. The side walks were blocked at times. Q. In that regard, Chief Campbell said that some of the persons engaged in the procession of students tended to block the sidewalks and, when he directed them to move on, they did. Is such your observation? A. That’s correct. Q. So, that even if any of the students who were en- 1 gaged in the procession did tend at times to block the sidewalks, whenever you or Chief Campbell or some SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland County 121 Dan B eckman other officer directed them to move on and not congest the sidewalk, they generally obeyed that command? A. I didn’t have the opportunity to have to ask any of them to move. Q. I believe that your testimony, just as Chief Campbell’s is, is that their behavior was good generally until they were told by the authorities to disperse? A. That’s correct. Q. Lieutenant Beckman, do you recognize any of the eight persons on trial today as having been engaged in any particular part of the procession on March the 2nd? A. The only way that I could identify them, as part of the over-all group, by fingerprints on their cards as being eight of the number when they were booked at the City Jail. Q. You cannot definitely, other than by normal police methods of identification, identify them? A. I think there is one, but I wouldn’t want to say. I ’m not absolutely positive. Q. I see. Lieutenant Beckman, were you the ranking official from the South Carolina Law Enforcement Di vision present that day? A. I was. Q. How many other members of your staff were present? A. Two. Q. I believe you testified the other day that, while you were cooperating with the other officials, neverthe less you made your decision independently? A. That’s correct. Q. At what time did you decide to place any group of persons under arrest? 122 SUPREME COURT_________ The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. Dan B eckman A. I would say approximately five minutes after Mr. McNayr had talked with David Carter. Q. I see. Were you present at the time that Mr. Mc Nayr talked with David Carter? A. Yes. Q. Did you remain in the general area where Mr. McNayr was or did you move to another area? A. I moved over, maybe thirty feet. Q. Did you observe any of the signs that any of the students might have been carrying? A. I saw their signs hut I don’t recall any of the wording on any of them, hut I remember looking at them, hut I don’t remember what they were. Q. So far as you were able to observe, the nearly 200 persons engaged in this procession were generally orderly? A. I would say, yes; hut from then on, no. Q. From then on what? A. No, I would say they were disorderly, they were noisy. Q. Now, you say they were noisy? Were they talking loud or singing loud? A. Singing loud, hollering, clapping their hands, stomping their feet and that singing continued on, even after they had been arrested. Q. How long did the singing go on before they were placed under arrest? A. I would say about five minutes after Mr. McNayr had talked with them, about that long I ’d say. Q. Did any of the persons involved in this proces sion threaten you or any other officer with bodily harm? A. No one threatened me. SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland County 123 Dan B eckman Q. I see. So far as you were able to observe, did they threaten any onlooker? A. I didn’t hear them threaten any one. Q. Were any of them armed? A. Not to my knowledge. By Mr. Coleman: Q. Mr. Beckman, getting back just a minute to this horseshoe immediately in front of the State House, now, at the time the arrests were first begun, the time of the first arrest, and immediately preceding that, say for five minutes or longer, was that horseshoe in front of the State House clear, other than normal traffic, where a vehicle wishing to use it could have used it without interference? A. I would say maybe, at times, but it’s narrow up in the front there; you don’t have very much room to get a car in or out up there and, if a car had wanted to come through, probably somebody would have to get somebody to move out the way because there were people up in there. Mr. Coleman: No further questions. By Mr. Perry: Q. Lieutenant Beckman, the area, which has been generally described here as the horseshoe area in front of the State House grounds, is not really a thorough fare, is it? A. No, it’s an entrance and exit for those having business in the State House. Q. Wouldn’t you describe that area as a parking area instead of a thoroughfare? A. I ’ve used that as a parking area and I ’ve used it to transact business in there, at times. 124 SUPREME COURT The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. Dan Beckman A. C. Shorter, Jr. Q. Generally speaking, whenever you have entered that area in your automobile, you have been there for the purpose of parking your car? A. To carry on business in there, sometimes I have parked in there. Q. In other words, you just don’t normally drive in and around that horseshoe for the purpose of using that as a street or getting to any particular point? A. I used it to get in the State House. Q. You do not agree that that area is more for park ing than for a thoroughfare? A. It’s used as both. Mr. Perry: That’s all. Mr. Coleman: No further questions. (Witness excused.) Whereupon, Mr. Coleman called Mr. A. C. Shorter, Jr., who, being first duly sworn, testified as follows: D i r e c t E x a m i n a t i o n By Mr. Coleman: Q. Mr. Shorter, where are you employed? A. South Carolina Law Enforcement Division. Q. Did you have occasion on last March the 2nd to carry out any official duty in the vicinity of the State House or the State House grounds in the city of Co lumbia? A. Yes, sir, I did. Q. Mr. Shorter, have you ever before had occasion to be on the State House grounds in your official capacity? A. Yes, sir, I have. 125SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland County A. C. Shorter, Jr. Q. Would you relate what caused you to be there that time? Mr. Perry: I ’m at a loss to understand the relevancy of Mr. Shorter’s previous business on the State House grounds. I, therefore, interpose an objection. Q. Mr. Shorter, when you were ordered to make an appearance on the State House grounds on last March the 2nd, did you do that solely for the purpose of at all of preventing any persons from walking in or around the State House grounds? A. I did not do that for any purpose of depriving anybody of the use of the State House grounds. Q. Do you know whether or not, of your own per sonal knowledge, any request that has been previously made from any organization or any person for any demonstration on the State House grounds? Mr. Perry: I object to that question on the ground that I know of no law which requires any one to secure permission to use the State House grounds, nor has it been made to appear that, even if it is necessary to secure the permission, that the permission of Lieuten ant Shorter should be secured. Therefore, I object to the question on the grounds of its irrelevancy. Q. Mr. Shorter, we will leave that without going into it. What time did you arrive on the State House grounds last March the 2nd? A. Shortly before noon. Q. Did you observe the horseshoe at that time? A. I did, sir. Q. Describe what you saw? A. When I first arrived, there were several officers there. I joined Chief Campbell, City Manager McNayr, Mr. Harry Walker and other officers. Shortly after I joined them, the group of Negro students, walking 126 SUPREME COURT The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. A. C. Shorter, Jr. M1 double file, two abreast, approached the west side of the horseshoe from the west, on Gervais Street. After they approached this horseshoe and, as a result of the conversation there, they proceeded through the State House grounds, around the west side of the State House to Pendleton Street and there east, on the side walk of Pendleton Street. They were two abreast and approximately thirty in number. As they arrived at each very narrow sidewalk there, there is only room for about two people to walk abreast; they wanted to go through. They were in more or less zig-zag forma- 508 tion. At the first sidewalk, I told them they could not go through in that manner, that the sidewalks criss cross and that they would block traffic, that they would also prevent anyone from passing or meeting them and going about their orderly business. I, also, observed the State House, the Wade Hampton Office Building and the Calhoun Office Building, and in each of these there were persons at windows observing this general demonstration there on the State House grounds. The leader of that group, whom I know, was very belliger- $os ent in that he would not accept my suggestion on each sidewalk, but as he approached each and every side walk on Pendleton, Sumter and back on Gervais Streets, back to the horseshoe, he again said “We want to go through here” . He said nothing about being sin gle file or dispersing into smaller groups. He did get back to the horseshoe and started back around the State House. How many times they went around, I do not know. They were singing, shouting, clapping their feet and hands and, at that time, I proceeded to make some arrests. 504 SUPREME COURT 127 Appeal from Richland County A. C. Shorter, Jr. C r o s s E x a m i n a t i o n By Mr. Perry: Q. Mr. Shorter, do I understand you are Lieutenant Shorter ? A. That is correct. Q. Are you of equal rank with Lieutenant Beckman of the South Carolina Law Enforcement Division? A. Would you repeat that? Q. Are you of equal rank with Lieutenant Beckman? A. Lieutenant Beckman is not Lieutenant Beckman. He is the Assistant Chief Beckman. Q. Thank you for correcting me on that. Then you are not of equal rank with Assistant Chief Beckman? A. I am not. Q. Was Assistant Chief Beckman in charge of any persons, who might have been present from the South Carolina Law Enforcement Division? A. Assistant Chief Beckman was on the State House grounds and we were not together at all times. As offi cers, we have to make our own decisions. I made mine and I ’m sure he made his. Q. You mean to say you acted independently of As sistant Chief Beckman? A. I was not acting independently of him but work ing with him. Q. You were in cooperation with him? A. That is correct. Q. If you were acting in cooperation with him, as your superior officer, you were taking orders from him, weren’t you ? ,! A. Not on each individual arrest, no. Q. But generally speaking, you were subject to his command, weren’t you? 128 SUPREME COURT The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. A. C. Shorter, Jr. A. I was subject to bis command. He ordered that I be there to keep the peace and that’s what I tried to do. Q. Now, sir, nobody has said anything about your being there to protect the peace. A. You asked the question and I answered it. Q. You were there subject to the command of As sistant Chief Beckman? A. That is a large block, as you know. Q. Did you see the same thing that he saw? A. I don’t know. Q. Were you always in his presence? A. I don’t know. Q. You should be able to know that. You know a lot more about what happened that day. A. I know what I did. I don’t know what he did. Q. Were you in his presence at all times? A. I don’t know. Mr. Perry: I respectfully submit, Your Honor, that this witness ought to be required to answer that. The Court: The witness will answer the question: were you or were you not in the presence of Assistant Chief Beckman? A. Your Honor, I respectfully submit that I do not know whether I was in the presence of Assistant Chief Beckman at all times. I ’d say this, I did not see him at all times. Q. All right. Were you in any times in the presence o f Chief Campbell of the City Police? A. I was at times in the presence of Chief Camp bell. Q. Were you in the presence of Mr. McNayr, the City Manager? A. I was at times in the presence of Mr. McNayr, the City Manager. SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland County- 129 A. C. S horter, Jr. Q. Were you in the horseshoe area, going into the State House grounds, at the time the procession of students first entered the State House grounds? A. I believe I arrived prior to their entering the State House grounds. Q. Therefore, you saw the same thing that the other officers saw? Mr. Coleman: I f Your Honor please, he is obviously asking a question which he cannot answer. How can this witness testify that he saw the same thing as somebody else saw? I have let counsel go pretty far along this line, but how can a man possibly testify to any such thing? Mr. Perry: Your Honor, I respectfully submit that I am on cross examination and you should allow me wide latitude with this witness. He obviously has seen more than anybody else saw and, therefore, we want to cross examine him. Mr. Coleman: There’s no testimony whatsoever that this man saw any more than any other person. Mr. Perry: You read the record and you will see that he says he saw more. The Court: Objection sustained. Q. Now, let me ask you this, Lieutenant Shorter. Mr. Beckman says that the procession of students were orderly in every respect until they were told to dis perse. Do you differ from Assistant Chief Beckman’s testimony in that regard? A. I did not hear the students when they were told to disperse as I have testified previously. I do not know when they were told to disperse. Q. But your testimony is that when they first en tered the grounds they were singing and shouting? 130 SUPREME COURT The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. A. C. S horter, Jr. A. My testimony is that as they went around the State House they were belligerent and trying to go through and block the crisscross walkways in the State House grounds rather than to follow my suggestions to single file and in smaller numbers and that’s what I ’m saying. Q. Who were they belligerent to? A. To me. Q. In what manner were they belligerent to you? A. By not following my suggestions that they would block those narrow sidewalks and those crisscross side walks in the State House property. Q. Now, Chief Campbell says the group walked through, double abreast, columns of twos and in some instances single file. Does your testimony differ from that? A. I ’m telling you what I saw and what I heard. Chief Campbell will have to testify for himself. Q. I ’m just wondering really why did you see some thing that Chief Campbell did not see? Mr. Coleman: Your Honor, I hate to keep interrupt ing counsel but, as a basic principle of law, this man cannot be put up here to witness and play off incident by incident, testimony by testimony, against some other witness. He has testified as to what he saw. He may be cross examined as to what he said. He may not be cross examined as to what somebody else did. Mr. Perry: He can say whether or not he under stands the facts as the other witnesses understood them. Your Honor, I respectfully submit now, and be fore you make your ruling, I urgently request permis sion to proceed to cross examine this witness because it is quite obvious that his testimony is varying ma terially from other witnesses who have testified in this SUPREME COURT 131 Appeal from Richland County A. C. Shorter, Jr. proceeding and I think that Your Honor is entitled to be made to realize in what manner his testimony varies. The Court: Objection sustained as to the testimony pertaining to what Chief Campbell saw. He can tes tify as to what he himself saw and as to what was seen by Chief Campbell, we will rule that out. Q. As I understand you to say, Lieutenant Shorter* you said that you heard people singing the first time they went around the State House grounds? A. I did not testify to that. Q. Just say yes or no. A. I said that I did not testify to that. You asked me— Q. Did you understand that question? You heard them singing when they first went around? A. I said no. Q. Now, when you did hear them first singing, what were they singing? A. I don’t remember what they sang. Q. Would you recognize the Star Spangled Banner if you heard it? A. If it were sung out there, I think I would recog nize it. Q. Was it sung? A. I don’t remember hearing it. Q. Now, did you follow the same group of persons around the State House grounds at all times or did you station yourself at some point on the grounds? A. I followed one group entirely around the State House grounds and then I walked about the State House grounds to see that nothing took place out of order. Q. You say you walked about the State House grounds to see that nothing took place out of order? 132 SUPREME COURT The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. A. C. Shorter, Jr. A. Correct. Q. Did you become aware of the persons as they were congregating on the streets adjacent to the State House grounds ? A. I did observe a number of persons. Q. Do you recognize any of the defendants before the Court today as being a part of the procession on March 2nd? A. Would you ask them to stand up? Q. Well, they are all sitting down. I believe you have had an opportunity to observe them? A. If you’ll ask them to stand up, I will tell you yes or no, whether I can recognize them. Q. You have had an opportunity to observe them. Mr. Perry: I respectfully submit, Judge, that this man can say whether or not he recognizes any of the group, persons, on that day. If he does or he doesn’t, he can say. The Court: The witness from his viewpoint can see if he recognizes them. I f he can’t, let him say so. A. I can recognize some persons in the courtroom. The Court: This first row here are the eight de fendants. A. No, I cannot recognize any of those eight. Q. Did any of these defendants on trial today or did any person threaten you in any manner? A. Threaten me? Q. Yes. A. No. Q. Did they attempt to do you bodily harm in any way whatsoever? A. No. Q. When you placed certain persons under arrest, did they submit peaceably to that arrest? SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland County 133 A. C. Shorter, Jr. A. I don’t know how peacefully they submitted to the arrest. Q. Did they resist arrest? A. They were singing and shouting and clapping their hands and what not. I don’t consider that to be peacefully. Mr, Perry: Your Honor, that does not respond to my question. I move that that answer be stricken and that the witness be directed to answer the previous question as to whether or not any of the defendants resisted his arrest. Mr. Coleman: Judge, if you please, may I comment on this ? Counsel has come pretty close to arguing that this man has got to answer the question yes or no in all cases. I believe he has adequately described the activity, what these people did and why they were be ing placed under arrest. It’s hard to tell what resist arrest means. Certainly a witness doesn’t have to an swer yes or no without any qualification or explanation to his answer. Mr. Perry: Your Honor, he knows whether they re sisted or not. The Court: The question of resisting arrest is not before the Court at this time. The question is breach of the peace. They were put under arrest and you want to know were they peaceful? Mr. Perry: No, sir, I was really asking whether or not they resisted arrest or whether they submitted to the arrest without any difficulty. The Court: The charge is breach of the peace so we will assume that they did not resist arrest. The Court will assume that. Mr. Perry: All right, sir. That’s all. (Witness excused.) The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. Mr. Coleman: We have no further witnesses. The Court: Court is recessed until 2 :00 o’clock. (Afternoon session.) (Court reconvened at 2:00.) Mr. Perry: May it please the Court, at this time, the defendants move to dismiss the cases pending against them on the grounds that the State has failed to es tablish the c o r p u s d e l i c t i . We further move to dismiss the case on the ground that the State has failed to prove a p r i m a f a c i e case. I will make no argument on that motion. Mr. Coleman: If Your Honor please, sufficient evi dence is in the record, sufficient to prove the crime and associate the eight defendants here today with that crime, breach of peace, and, therefore, we oppose coun sel’s motion. The Court: The motion is denied. Mr. Perry: May it please the Court, at this time the defendants move to dismiss the case against them on the ground that, by arrest and prosecution of these de fendants, the police powers of the State of South Car olina are being used to deprive the defendants of the right of freedom of assembly and to freedom of speech guaranteed to them by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and further secured to them under the able protection and due process clauses of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Con stitution, the evidence conclusively showing that at the time of their arrest the defendants were included in a peaceful and lawful assemblage of persons, orderly in every respect upon the public streets of the State of South Carolina. That is the motion and there is no argument. Mr. Coleman: If Your Honor please, the State op poses that motion on the ground that, if there ever has 134 SUPREME COURT SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland County 135 James Jerome K itron been a case of this nature more clearly shown, the law enforcement officers had leaned over backward in or der to permit an orderly demonstration and did per mit a demonstration. The evidence is clear that they were not interfered with until such time as it became, in a manner, disorderly. The facts show that circum stances surrounding the whole occurrence created a breach of the peace, in lieu of a situation which a much worse breach would have occurred had it not been stopped. The Court: The motion is denied. Whereupon, Mr. Jenkins called James Jerome K ir- ton, who, being first duly sworn, testified as follows: D i r e c t E x a m i n a t i o n By Mr. Jenkins: Q. Mr. Kirton, speak loudly enough so that we can clearly understand you because your testimony will be reported by the Reporter. You are one of the defend ants on trial here today? A. That is correct. Q. You were arrested with a group of persons on the 2nd day of March, 1961, is that correct? A. I was. Q. Will you relate to the Court the circumstances leading up to your arrest that day? A. On March the 2nd, 1961, a group of students left Benedict College and proceeded to Zion Baptist Church; arriving at Zion Baptist Church, we held something of a semi-pep rally to reaffirm those things which we believe in. We divided up into groups of fif teen to eighteen possibly and proceeded to the State House grounds. We were stopped near the State House 136 SUPREME COURT The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. James Jerome K itron grounds, I ’m not familiar with the streets, and we were detained by some official, I ’m not certain of his name either. Then we proceeded on the grounds and we went around once. Then we were detained again by an officer and we were asked to disperse and to depart from the area. Q. Now, let’s go back a little bit. You met at Zion Baptist Church! A. That is correct. Q. Now, you say there were a group of students from Benedict College! A. Yes. Q. Were there persons from other places as well? A. I believe there were. Q. Now, you said that you had a meeting of some sort! A. That is correct. Q. Will you state the purpose of the meeting! A. The purpose of the meeting was to reaffirm our beliefs concerning segregation and the general prin ciple of discrimination in order that we may proceed from there and go to the State House grounds. Q. Now, you walked up the street, I believe you said, in groups of fifteen or eighteen! A. Yes. Q. Do you recall the appropriate distance between the groups of persons! A. Possibly a half block. You mean between groups! Q. Between groups! A. Possibly a half block. Q. Did you have any particular order or formation within the groups themselves! A. Yes. Q. Would you care to state how you were walking! SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland County 137 James Jerome K itron A. We were two abreast, walking on the appropriate ^ side of the street. Q. I would imagine there was some general con versation among the persons in the groups? A. If there was, I didn’t notice it. Q. You just walked along without talking to each other ? A. Without talking. Q. Did you carry anything in your hands? A. Some of us had signs or placards. Q. Placards? A. That’s correct. 546 Q. Were you holding them in your hands or how were you carrying them? A. Some had them in their hands and others had them around their necks. Q. Did you have a placard? A. I did. Q. What was on it? A. I am proud to be a Negro. Q. When you were walking through the streets on your way towards the State House grounds, did y o u 547 observe the regular traffic regulations and so forth? A. I did. Q. Incidentally, in what group were you? A. Second to the last. Q. When you got to the State House grounds, other groups had already gotten there? A. Yes, they were. Q. And you said your group was stopped by some person at the State House grounds? A. That is correct. 546 Q. You were allowed to go on to the grounds, is that correct? 138 SUPREME COURT The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. James Jerome K itron A. We were. Q. Would you care to state your purpose for going on to the State House grounds? A. The purpose was to submit a protest to the citi zens of South Carolina, along with the Legislative Bodies of South Carolina, our feelings and our dis satisfaction with the present condition of discrimina tory actions against Negroes, in general, and to let them know that we were dissatisfied and that we would like for the laws which prohibited Negro privileges in this State to be removed. Q. That was your purpose individually? A. Individually. Q. Had you heard a similar purpose stated to others of your comrades? A. That is correct. Q. Would you care to state if that was the general purpose of all of you that participated in this move ment? A. The general feeling of the group was that segre gation in South Carolina and discrimination was against the general principles of humanity and that we would like to see them removed. Q. Why did you pick the State House grounds to go on? A. Our law officials, our government officials are there and they make the laws to represent the citizens of this State, and I felt they should be aware of our particular feelings. Q. Why did you pick this particular means of ex pressing your grievance? A. I hoped that this would be an effective one to let them know that we, as citizens and as students, did not agree with the general principles of segregation and SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland County 139 James Jerome K itron we were there to protest in order that they might see for themselves that we were in number and that we did not and we still do not go along with the principles of segregation. Q. Now, you stated that you had in mind portray ing your feelings to members of the State Legislature, I believe you testified to that? A. Yes. Q. Would you state whether or not you had in mind any other persons to impress with your feelings? A. The Governor, the Legislature and the general public of South Carolina. Q. At the time that you went on the State House grounds, were you aware of the fact that it was public property? A. I was. Q. You have sat in court throughout the morning proceedings, is that correct? A. That is correct. Q. You have listened to the testimony from the wit nesses for the State? A. That is correct. Q. I ’m certain that you heard that there was some testimony with reference to singing? A. I heard the testimony. Q. By a group of people? A. That is correct. Q. Would you care to state for the record what you know about the singing which was taking place? A. Singing occurred after we were arrested. Now, as to the boisterousness and the loudness and disrespect for the National Anthem and other patriots, I cannot agree with those persons who testified earlier. 140 SUPREME COURT The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. James Jerome K itron Q. Did you personally interfere with anybody in the use of the sidewalks and the streets on that day? A. By no means. Q. Did you personally interrupt any vehicular traf fic on the streets that day? A. I did not. Q. Are you aware of any of your comrades who were with you on that date who interfered with the use of the streets by other citizens? A. If they did, it was not brought to my attention. Q. Is it true that a large number of onlookers gathered while you were there on the State House grounds ? A. Adjacent to the State House, yes. Q. Did you pay any particular attention to them? A. Well, only generally. I just generally saw them. Q. Did you hear any remarks being made by any who may have been in the audience there ? A. No, I didn’t. Mr. Coleman: I didn’t catch that question. Mr. Jenkins: I asked him if he heard any remarks being made by any other persons who were in the audience that day. I meant by persons in the audience, the onlookers, persons not actually engaged in the group with you. A. If they said something, I didn’t hear it. Q. Did you observe any overt action on their part which would put you in fear that you would be in dan ger of being injured or anything of that sort? A. My composure was not hampered by any one. Q. You mean by that, that nobody frightened you by any action? A. None whatsoever. SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland County 141 James Jerome K itron Q. Did you observe any of your comrades or per sons with you who appeared to be apprehensive that they would he attacked by any person? A. If they felt it, they didn’t show it. Q. By the group, I mean any of the onlookers who may have been there? A. No. Q. Did you hear any of your friends or persons with you express any opinion—please strike that. You tes tified as to what was on the placard which you carried? A. That is correct. Q. Do you know who prepared these placards? A. Students prepared them. Q. Students. Were you among the group of students that prepared them? A. I was. Q. Do you know what was on any of the placards which were carried? A. I have a memory of some of the other statements. Not all of them. Q. Would you care to state for the record what some of those placards there said? A. Mine had “ I am proud to he a Negro” . Others had statements “ Give me liberty or give me death” . “ Down with segregation” . I can’t remember all of them. Q. Can you state the general expression or tone of those placards which you were carrying? A. The tone of all the placards were in harmony with the antisegregation movement in this State. Q. Do you know what became of those placards? Are they in court today? A. If they are, it’s not to my knowledge. Q. Do you know what became of them? 142 SUPREME COURT The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. Jambs Jerome N itron A. I do know they were taken up. Some of them were taken up by Reverend Carter. Q. By a member of your group on that day? A. Yes, sir. Q. You do not now know what have become of them? A. I do not. Q. You are a student at Benedict College? A. I am. Q. How long have you been a student there? A. This is my third year. Junior Class. Q. Would you state whether or not you belong to any student group? A. Yes, I do. Q. Would you say that the persons who were asso ciated with you on March the 2nd of 1961, when you went on the State House grounds, were members of the group of which you are associated? A. That is correct. Q. Would you care to state the nature of your or ganization ? A. The general nature of the organization is non violent protesting against discriminatory actions against Negroes in this State and we adhere to the principles of peaceful resistance, and we believe that those laws which are unjust, we believe in trying to find just means of having them discontinued. Q. Now, in trying to exert what you consider your rights, are you conscious of the fact that other citi zens may have equal rights ? A. I believe that other citizens have equal rights. Q. Does your organization have any teachings or practices with reference to the rights, respective rights of other citizens? SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland County 143 James Jerome K itron A. It is the general consensus of the organization to respect the rights of others as well as to have them respect our particular rights. Q. And you say that non-violence is a part of your creed? A. It is the basis. Q. Incidentally, where is your native State? A. This is my native State, South Carolina. Q. South Carolina. You have lived in South Caro lina the majority of your life? A. All of my life. Q. This is your third year at Benedict College ? A. That is correct. Q. Are you one of the officers in this particular stu dent organization at Benedict College? A. I am not. Q. Do you regularly attend the meetings? A. I do. Q. Do you have any regular meeting time? A. Not a set date. We meet when we feel it is needed. Q. Meet when? A. We meet when we feel it is necessary. Q. Do you meet at the call of your officers? A. Generally, yes. Q. As a Junior in College, what is your age? A. I am twenty years old. Q. Do you know generally the members of your stu dent organization? A. Generally, yes. Q. Do you know the leaders and officers of your or ganization? I A. Yes, sir. Q. Were you in this court on Tuesday of last week? A. I was. 144 SUPREME COURT The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. James Jerome K itron Q. Do you know James Edwards, Jr.?578 A. I do. Q. Is he a student at Benedict College? A. He is a Benedict student. Q. Will you state approximately how long you have known him? A. Since the latter part of January. Q. January of what year? A. 1961. Q. 1961 ? Is that when he first came to Benedict Col lege? 874 A. Yes. Q. Is James Edwards, Jr., a member of your stu dent organization, the same organization you have previously spoken of? A. He is a member. Q. He is? A. He is. Q. I believe you said you have known the officers and leaders of the student group, is that correct? A. I do. ns Q. Is James Edwards, Jr., one of the officers or leaders of the student group? A. He is not. Q. To your knowledge, is James Edwards, Jr., a leader or officer of any student organization group on Benedict College campus? A. He is not. Q. On March the 2nd, 1961, was James Edwards, Jr., a member of the group that went from Zion Baptist Church to the State House grounds ? Mr. Coleman: How far does the Court want this line of questioning to go? James Edwards, Jr., is not on trial here today. 576 SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland County 145 James Jerome K itrok The Court: Mr. Coleman, I certainly am interested ^ in getting to getting to the bottom of this and, in view of the fact that Edwards has been tried, for my own personal interest and personal knowledge, I would like to find out about Edwards, myself. Mr. Jenkins: I have only a couple more questions with reference to this line of questioning. Q. I believe the question was: on the 2nd day of March, 1961, James Edwards, Jr., formed a member of the group of you that went on the State House grounds! A. He was with us, yes. 178 Q. Was that as a part of your student group move ment! A. He was there as a part of the movement. Q. To your knowledge, was James Edwards, Jr., one of your leaders on that day? A. He was not. Mr. Jenkins: I have no further questions. C r o s s E x a m i n a t i o n By Mr. Coleman: Q. The Reverend Carter, to whom you made refer- we ence a few minutes ago, is that David Carter? A. That is correct. Q. Is he in the courtroom? A. Yes, he is. Q. Was he a leader of the student group on March 2nd? A. He was our recognized leader. Q. He did direct this demonstration? A. Yes. Q. Isn’t it true that your student group was allowed to proceed in and about the grounds of the State House for approximately an hour? 146 SUPREME COURT The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. James Jerome K itron A. From forty to sixty minutes, yes. Q. That was without interference from the police? A. Without direct interference, yes. Q. Direct? Did they give you any interference at all? A. After a certain length of time, we were asked to disperse. Q. That was after forty minutes to an hour that you have testified to, is that correct? A. Yes. Q. No interference was put in your way prior to that time? A. No. Q. I believe that this demonstration, as you call it, began about 12:00 o’clock, is that correct? A. In the neighborhood of 12:00. Q. Was that designed, so far as you know, to coin cide with the convening of the Legislature that day? A. Not to my knowledge, whether it was actually de signed to coincide with that, but certainly the Legisla ture, as I previously testified, they are a part of our lawmaking body here. Q. It is common knowledge that the Legislature gen erally convenes about eleven or twelve o’clock every day? A. It is. Q. You knew that? A. Yes. 1 Q. Don’t you think, if the only purpose of your dem onstration that day, was to call attention to the various members of the Legislature and any other officials that may have been in or out the State House, that two hun dred or approximately two hundred Negro students marching in and about the grounds with placards would have had time in an hour to sufficiently demonstrate SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland County 147 Jambs Jerome K itron to any of them, by person, their views or whatever ggg views they were expressing by demonstration or call attention to themselves? A. Are yon asking that we could easily have expres sed our view to one person instead of— Q. No. I ’m asking if you don’t think an hour was long enough for your purpose? A. I don’t. Q. How long did you intend to demonstrate ? A. Until conscience told me that the demonstration had lasted long enough. Q. Isn’t it true that you were aware of the extra- 586 ordinary number of people who had congregated in this horseshoe in the hour’s period during the time the demonstration had occurred? A. I don’t think there was such an extraordinary number. Q. There was an unusual crowd, wasn’t it? You’re not going to tell us it wasn’t, are you? Do you normally see such a crowd on the horseshoe? A. Normally, I don’t visit this particular place, but I still say I don’t think it was such an unusual crowd, rer Q. You don’t think that your activities there during this hour period attracted an unusual crowd in and around the horseshoe? A. There were several policemen and other officials of that nature. Q. You’re not deliberately avoiding the question, are you? A. By no means. Q. Let me ask it again and see if you will answer it. Do you think— A. I don’t think. Q. You don’t think what? 588 148 SUPREME COURT The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. James Jerome K itron A. I don’t think, as yon put it, that this crowd was there. I don’t think it was a crowd. Q. You don’t think there was a crowd there? Did you estimate the number of people there? A. I can’t because I was in the process of moving, a continuous mareh, I wasn’t standing still. Q. Did you hear the instructions given by the police officials to the students to disperse? A. They were passed along. I didn’t hear the indi vidual instructions. Q. Did you know about them? A. Yes. Q. Why didn’t you proceed to disperse? A. Well, mainly because the State House is public property and I thought the Law Enforcement Agency had taken a step too far probably, when they asked us to leave. Q. You thought they were wrong? A. In my judgment, yes. Q. You thought they shouldn’t have done it. Is it also your view, your opinion, along that same line, that ssi you should have been allowed, you and the other stu dents, to continue indefinitely to this sort of concerted effort, a public demonstration, using two hundred stu dents, regardless of what might have occurred as a result of those demonstrations? A. When you say “what might have occurred”—I don’t know what you mean. Q. Regardless of the situation which might have been created with regard to blocking sidewalks, block ing the street, breaching the peace generally? Mr. Perry: I would like to generally interpose an objection to any questions which would call for this witness to give an answer based upon speculation. I SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland County 149 James Jerome K itron note that Mr. Coleman says “ regardless of what might have occurred” and there is no evidence that anything did occur. I object to the question on the ground that it calls for a speculative answer. Mr. Coleman: If Your Honor please, the witness has testified and admitted that he and other students were allowed to demonstrate for an hour. I want him to say to what extent he thinks he should have been allowed to go in order to carry out this demonstration, with regard to the crowd which had developed in and around the State House grounds in addition to the students and which he saw and of which he has heard testimony this morning. If he does not wish to answer the question, he can so state and that would be all. Mr. Perry: First of all, I believe the witness has previously said that he though that he should be al lowed to go as far as conscience would allow; secondly, I should like to note that as to how far the person engaged in the procession on March 2nd should have been allowed to go would be for Your Honor to say and not for the witness. I believe that principally what we have here, that Your Honor is being called upon to say whether or not on March the 2nd the proces sion of individuals had been allowed to go on for too long a period of time, as to how far this witness feels they had a right to continue to walk through the State House premises, I do not believe would be a proper subject for cross examination of this witness but rather be an issue which counsel might address our selves to this Court. In other words, I believe it is within the perogative of Your Honor to say exactly what the situation was, in the light of all the testi mony which has come out of this particular line of cross examination and should not be allowed. 150 _________ SUPREME COURT_________ The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. James Jerome K itroh Mr. Coleman: I might say one other word, Your Honor. This witness has been quite free to express in full at least his idea of the purposes of this group. He has stated why he went to the State House grounds. He has stated why he thinks that group went, informa tion of which he had personal knowledge. He has ad mitted that he was allowed to demonstrate for an hour there, now, if, after setting forth all of those facts, isn’t his opinion and his thoughts and the purposes of this group, which seems to he at variance with what actually occurred with this persisting demonstration for more than an hour—I should like to ask the wit ness : do you wish to answer my question? The Court: Objection overruled. Answer the ques tion. Q. If you do not say so, I will not persist. A. I think we should have continued as long as con science and providence said so. Q. Night and day, if necessary? A. If necessary to accomplish the end, yes. Q. Then, anything that might have been short of acts of violence on your part, you think would have been justified? A. Your question seems to mean that there were indications of violence, then, I could not answer that question. Q. I said short of violence? A. As long as violence and the rights of other cit izens were not being harmed, it should have been con tinued. Q. You didn’t see any large crowd in the horseshoe, is that correct ? A. No large crowd. SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland County 151 James Jerome K itron Q. No unusual crowd? Could you estimate the num ber? A. I cannot. Q. Could you estimate it with relation to the size of the student group? A. There were approximately two hundred students and, as I previously stated, we were marching, not standing still in the horseshoe, therefore, I don’t know what happened at the horseshoe. Q. Didn’t you pass there from time to time? A. As I previously stated, I was allowed to only go around once. Q. Did you see the horseshoe at any time during that hour ? A. I did. Q. Did you see an unusually large crowd there? A. I didn’t. Q. Have you been at Benedict for the three years? A. That is correct. Q. All three years. I believe you said that you did not hold an office in the organization? A. I do not. Mr. Coleman: No further questions. Mr. Jenkins: Unless the Court has some questions, we have no further questions. The Court: The Court has no questions. (Witness excused.) Mr. Perry: May it please the Court, at this time the defendants would like to stipulate that, if the remain ing defendants on trial here today, were to be called to the witness stand to testify that their testimony would be substantially the same as was the testimony of the witness who has just testified. Mr. Coleman: We will agree to that. 152 SUPEEME COUET The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. Mr. Perry: The defendants have no further testi mony or evidence. The Court: Does the State have anything in reply? Mr. Coleman: The State has no evidence in reply. Mr. Perry: At this time the defendants respectfully renew out motions for dismissal, which were urged upon the Court at the conclusion of the State’s case and we ask that they be repeated in the record as if I were making them verbatim again at this time. The Court: Any objection? Mr. Coleman: The State opposes the motions on the grounds heretofore set out. The Court: Motions denied, and that will be entered in the record. Mr. Perry: Nothing further at this time. Mr. Coleman: Nothing further from the State. Mr. Perry: We will waive the making of a final argu ment, Your Honor, and we call upon Your Honor for a ruling based upon the evidence. Mr. Coleman: Since the defense has no argument, we reserve our rights to a final argument. The Court: The Court will recess for five minutes. (Court reconvened.) The Court: I ’m going to call out the names of the following defendants in this case. As I call them out, I would like for them to approach the Bench, from left to right, as I face you. George Cleveland Foster, James Jerone Kirton, Isa ac Washington, Boland Johnnie Ehames, Joseph B. Bailey, Isaac Jerome Campbell, Davie Green, Charles Fulton Barr. The Court: George Cleveland Foster, how old are you? George Cleveland Foster: Seventeen. SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland County 153 The Court: You are now seventeen! George Cleveland Foster: Yes, sir. The Court: What school do you attend? George Cleveland Foster: Carver High School in Spartanburg, South Carolina. The Court: James Jerone Kirton. James Jerone Kirton: Yes, sir. The Court: I believe you stated on the witness stand that you are twenty? James Jerone Kirton: Yes, sir. The Court: Isaac Washington. Isaac Washington: I am eighteen. The Court: Roland Johnnie Rhames. Roland Johnnie Rhames: Benedict College. Twenty. The Court: Joseph B. Bailey. Joseph B. Bailey: Benedict College. I ’m twenty. The Court: Isaac Jerome Campbell. Isaac Jerome Campbell: Benedict College and I ’m twenty-one. The Court: Davie Green. Davie Green: Benedict College and I ’m eighteen. The Court: Charles Fulton Barr. Charles Fulton Barr: Benedict College. Twenty years old. The Court: Would the defense counsel like to say anything at this time? Mr. Perry: Your Honor, of course, by word of miti gation, I would like to urge that Your Honor can deter mine that these are all young men, high school and college age, who, according to their testimony, acted as they did in the sincere belief that they were joining together in concert for the purpose of expressing their grievances toward the public generally. I urge for your consideration, the testimony of all of these officers, with the possible exception of one, their conduct was 154 SUPREME COURT The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. orderly. It seems that the basic complaint, which rings ont in all of the testimony of the officers is the fact that they did not disperse when they were ordered to. Now, there is other testimony concerning the lond man ner of their singing hut I cannot believe that the loud ness of the singing was the thing which percipitated their arrest. I think it was the fact that they walked together in concert and refused to disperse when di rected by the officers to do so. Looking at all of the testimony, it seems to stand ont in my mind, Your Honor, these young men are not of a criminal mind or intent and I ask that you he lenient in sentencing 614 them. The Court: Would any of the defendants like to say anything at this time? (No reply.) The Court: The testimony that has come out today has certainly thrown a light, a new light, on these pro ceedings. As I stated last week, the idea of adults us ing youths for the purpose of violating the law is one which is a grave concern to all of us. I ’m taking your youth into consideration, every one of you. From the 6i6 testimony of witnesses to date, the actual recognized leader is, one David Carter, and that was brought out by the State, also by the defendants, by one of the witnesses for the defense. I ’m taking that into consid eration. I ’m taking your youth into consideration, also, but I want to tell you now, if you should ever come before me again with anything, that would indicate to me a flagrant violation of the law on your part, that you had no respect for law and order and I know that you do, I have reason to believe that you do for every one of you young men know that we have international problems, problems of space and heaven knows what else to worry about. SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland County 155 To repeat the finding of the Court, I find each and every one of yon guilty, each of you now standing be fore me. The sentence of Isaac Jerome Campbell, your age was twenty-one, $100.00 or 30 days. As to you young men under twenty one, the sentence of the Court will be $100.00 or 30 days, and, again, I suspend half of that sentence upon the payment of the fine of $50.00. Mr. Perry: May it please the Court, at this time, the defendants move for arrest of judgment or, in the alternative, for a new trial upon all grounds previously noted in the several motions for dismissal and we ask that they be repeated in the record verbatim as if I were so stating them at this time. The Court: It shall be repeated in the record. All motions are denied. Mr. Perry: May it please the Court, at this time, we move for arrest of judgment on the ground that the Court erred in finding the defendants guilty, the evidence having shown conclusively that the defendants were lawfully assembled with other persons upon the public streets and property of the State of South Carolina for the purpose of giving public expression concerning their grievances, a right secured to them by the First and Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution. That concludes our motion. The Court: Motion is denied. Mr. Perry: At this time, may it please the Court, de fendants give notice of intention to appeal. We will file the written motion within the time required by Statute and we ask that Your Honor set the appeal bond. The Court: The appeal bond for each will be $10.00. 156 SUPREME COURT The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. Mr. Perry: Tour Honor, it’s so late in the day, the actual mechanics of substituting the appeal bonds for the recognizance bonds, which are on file, as to each one of them, it may take us a day or two. The Court: The Court will be very glad to grant that until Thursday. Court adjourned until 10:00 o’ clock Thursday morning, March 16, 1961. I hereby certify that the foregoing is a true and cor rect transcript of the notes of testimony taken by me at the hearing of the above cause. E leanor S. M ackey, 622 R e p o r t e r . TRANSCRIPT OF TESTIMONY Before Honorable Frank Powell, Magistrate on Thursday, March 16, 1961, Richland County Court House, Columbia, South Carolina. A p p e a r a n c e s : For the State: J. C. Coleman, Esq. For the Defendants: Matthew J. Perry, Esq., Lin os* coin C. Jenkins, Jr., Esq., Donald James Sampson, Esq. The Court: I would like to announce the rules of the Court. There will be no pictures taken within this courtroom of any type. Any one who wants to attend these hearings may do so as long as there is a seat available, however, we cannot permit any one standing up around the walls. The Court has before it warrants charging the fol lowing persons with breach of the peace. The warrant reads in part: State of South Carolina, County of 624 Richland. Personally appeared before me, Frank Powell, Magistrate of the said County and the said SUPBEME COUBT Appeal from Bichland County 157 State, L. J. Campbell, being duly sworn, says that James C. West, Sinclair Salters, Hezikah Johnson, James Clyburn, William Erick Moultie, David Carter, Benjamin James Clover, Samuel S. Williams, and others, did, at Coumbia, South Carolina, on March 2nd, 1961, on the State Capitol grounds and on ad jacent sidewalks and streets did commit a breach of the peace in that they, together with a large group of people, did assemble, impede the normal traffic, sing and parade with placards, failed to disperse upon law ful orders of police officers, all of which tended to vio lation of the breach of peace in view of existing con ditions. The Court will now read the persons charged on these warrants: James C. West, Sinclair Salters, Hezikah Johnson, James Clyburn, William Erick Moul trie, David Carter, Benjamin James Clover, Samuel S. Williams, Arthur Whitfield Stanley, Jr., Wendell Dai ley, Lennie William Glover, Samuel Edwards, David Laurence Perrett, James Allen Carter, Clifford James Bice, Delbert Leon Woods, Wilbur Harrison Walker, Alfred Odell Lemon, James W. Cantey, Isaac W. Wil liams, Clifford B. Bell, William H. Cooley, Bobert Henry LaPrince, Prank E. Gore, Earl Peters, Jr., Henry H. Harris, Charles B. Miller, Charles McDew, Maxie Epps, Henry Williams, Leroy Hogans, Jimmy Lee Smith, James Beeder, Jr., George Allen Ander son, Thomas D. Hornsby and Anthony McFadden. Are these persons present? Mr. Jenkins: They are present in person or by coun sel. One or two persons may not be present. One is Benjamin J. Glover and William Moultrie from Cam den, also, is not here. Those defendants, if Your Honor please, they are represented by counsel. We would like the record to show that counsel has agreed that these defendants may be tried in their absence and 158 SUPREME COURT The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. Irving G. M cNayr 629 they will be bound by whatever rules and decisions that are made by the Court. Is that agreeable by coun sel? Mr. Coleman: Yes. The Court: Are these persons represented by coun sel? Mr. Jenkins: Yes, they are. The Court: As I call the names of these persons out, will they appear before the Bench? (The Court called the names of all defendants.) Defendants arraigned before the Court. The Court: Are you the persons named in this war rant before the Court charged with the breach of the peace in the City of Columbia, County of Richland, on March 2nd, 1961 and were you released on bond to appear before this Court today? Defendants: Yes, sir (in unison). The Court: How do the defendants plead? Mr. Jenkins: They plead not guilty. Defendants returned to seats in courtroom. 63i The Court: Is the defense ready for trial? Mr. Jenkins: Yes, Your Honor. The Court: Is the State ready for trial? Mr. Coleman: Yes, Your Honor. Whereupon, Mr. Coleman called Irving G. M cN ayr who, being first duly sworn, testified as follows: D i r e c t E x a m i n a t i o n By Mr. Coleman: Q. Mr. McNayr, you are the City Manager of Co lumbia, I believe? A. Yes, I am. SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland County 159 Irving G. M cNayr Q. As such City Manager, do yon have direct snper- m vision of the activities of the Columbia City Police Department? A. Yes, I do. Q. Did yon have occasion on March the 2nd last to be in the vicinity of the State House grounds in the City of Columbia? A. Yes, I did. Q. What time did you arrive there? A. At the State House grounds, I arrived at approx imately a quarter of twelve. Q. What did you observe when you got there? A. When we arrived there, when we first arrived, I observed a number of police officials, both from the City of Columbia and the State Law Enforcement Di vision, possibly some Deputy Sheriffs from the Coun ty, standing generally around what is known as the horseshoe area. Q. Would you describe the horseshoe area so far as pedestrian traffic lanes and vehicular traffic lanes are concerned? A. Yes. The horseshoe area is used primarily for 635 the parking of State official’s cars, that is, the macadam area there. There is some passage in and out of vehic ular traffic by people entering and leaving the State Capitol Building. In addition to that, you have the main sidewalk areas leading into the State Capitol on either side of the horseshoe area. Q. Others than the persons you have just mentioned, the police officers and yourself, were there any other persons in or about the horseshoe? I A. None, to my knowledge, at the time of my arrival. 4jg There may have been a few others standing around but I didn’t pay any particular attention to them. 160 SUPREME COURT The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. Irving G. McNayr 687 Q- What, if anything, occurred thereafter to make you think possibly whether or not some official action on your part should be taken? A. We were forewarned that there would be a march or a procession on the State Capitol and a demonstra tion at that point. Soon after we arrived, we observed groups of Negro students marching up Gervais Street. Q. Could you estimate the size of the group? A. I estimated it at that time at approximately 200. Q. Did they enter the horseshoe? A. They moved up the sidewalk towards the horse- 638 shoe and they were met, just before entering the grounds, by Mr. Harry Walker of the Governor’s of fice. Q. Were you present at that time? A. Yes, I was. Q. Do you remember that any of the defendants named today were in the group ? A. Yes, I recognized probably three or four of those people who are here today. Q. Can you name one possibly? 639 A. I recognized the recognized leader, David Carter. Q. Did you have any conversation with David Carter at that time? A. Not at that immediate time when he arrived, no. Q. What official position, if any, does Harry Walker have? A. Mr. Harry Walker is the representative, the legal representative of the Governor of South Carolina and was apparently in charge of the SLED officers present at that time, and in general charge of the State House 640 grounds, in general control of it. Q. State whether or not you have any personal knowledge of whether any official instructions from a SUPREME COURT Appeal from Ricliland County 161 Irving G. M cNayr police officer were given to any one or all of these de- fendants. Mr. Jenkins: If Your Honor please, at this time we object on the ground that the best evidence would be the testimony from the officer which may have given such instructions, that is, testimony directly from this officer, and we object to this witness testifying as to instructions given by anyone else. Mr. Coleman: If Your Honor please, any instruc tions given to any of these defendants here, within the hearing and presence of this witness, I think it’s ad missible and, if it’s hearsay, it’s an exception to the 642 hearsay rule. Mr. Jenkins: We submit, if Your Honor please, that the best evidence would be the officers themselves, pres ent to testify as to what instructions they may have given. There is no showing to be made in the court why the officers themselves are not here to testify and we object to any testimony along that line. The Court: The Court feels that, in this particular instance, the defendants here have been identified by the witness and, in this case, the objection is overruled, sis A. Would you repeat your question? Q. Did you, yourself, have any conversation with any one of these particular defendants here today? A. I did not, at the time in question. All the conver sation and instructions were between Mr. Walker and some of the defendants. Q. Did you hear Mr. Walker give any official in structions to any particular defendant here today? A. Yes, I did. Q. Do you remember which defendant? ^ A. Well, I know Carter was one of those who re ceived instructions. 162 SUPEEME COUBT The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. Irving G. M cN ayr Q- Were these instructions given in your presence? A. They were, if I may describe the manner m which they were given I think it would he helpful to the Court. As the groups moved forward, and these Negro students were in groups of anywhere from fifteen on up to thirty, Mr. Walker selected the lead student, on the left coming up Gervais, thinking in terms of that person leading the group, and he gave instructions di rectly to that person. He first questioned him as to his name, purpose for being there, whether or not he was leading the group and then instructed them on 648 the fact that he did have the privilege, he and his small group, of going through the State House grounds, just as any other citizens would have. He further instructed him that there should be no demonstration, in each case, in my hearing, that the State law allowed no dem onstrations. I heard the defendants, the leaders, reply that they were there for the purpose of demonstrating and fully intended to do so. Mr. Walker then instructed them that they could go through the State House grounds and they did proceed to do so. I believe he Mr also told them they would be allowed to go through the State House grounds one time for purposes of ob servation. Mr. Jenkins: Your Honor, at this time, I ’d like to renew my objection as to all of this line of questioning and the testimony that is in answer to the question which has been presented here and I ask that they be stricken from the record. I am repeating my objection. That is strictly hearsay and violates the well known rule of law against hearsay evidence on the ground that the best evidence would require that Mr. Harry 648 Walker, who is the person who gave the instructions, to be present and testify for the record as to the SUPREME COURT 163 Appeal from Richland County Irving G. M cNayr instructions he gave. The record will show that the witness has testified as to what he thinks the opinion of Mr. Walker was in giving such instructions. We re new our objection to this entire line of questioning and we respectfully request that the answer be stricken from the record. Mr. Coleman: If Your Honor please, I don’t remem ber any evidence of Mr. McNayr’s opinion. Mr. Jenkins: Mr. McNayr said that in pointing out the person on the left, taking that person to be a leader or something to that effect. Mr. Coleman: We are perfectly willing, if there was any opinion in the evidence in regard to the opinion of Mr. Walker, that it be stricken. I don’t remember that. The Court: The Court is under the impression that was an opinion and that will be stricken from the rec ord. As to the previous objection, that is overruled. Q. Mr. McNayr, what course of action, if any, did the group of students then take? A. They then proceeded to go through the State House grounds, usually accompanied by a police of ficer or officers. Q. How long did this continue? A. I would say for somewhere between fifteen—a half hour. Q. Where were you during this time? Were you in the vicinity of the horseshoe or were you moving about the State House grounds? A. I was not moving about the State House grounds. I remained in the vicinity of the horseshoe, moving back and forth, primarily between from in front of the statue, then west to the other side of the horseshoe. Q. Then, you were in the horseshoe all of this time? 164 SUPREME COURT The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. Irving G. M cNayr A. Yes. Q. State whether or not yon noticed or saw any change in the size of the number of persons who might or might not have been within the horseshoe area? A. Yes. Soon after the Negro students arrived at the entrance to the horseshoe, crowds began to gather. This was in the neighborhood of twelve o’clock, noon, just prior to twelve o’clock, noon, and more and more people gathered within that area to the point where they were blocking both of the driveway entrances and the sidewalk area. They had to be told to move along, not to impede the sidewalk traffic, and it was nec essary to station a policeman in the intersection of Gervais and Main Streets in order to keep traffic mov ing, because, again, a large group of persons attracted the passers-by in automobiles. Q. Did you note the traffic, if any, which was on Gervais Street, immediately adjacent to the horseshoe? A. Yes, I did. Q. Are you familiar with the normal flow of traffic on that street? A. Yes, I ’m quite familiar with it. Q. Was the traffic flow at that time normal? A. It was not normal—no, it was greatly slowed up. It had to be kept moving by a police officer. It was greatly slowed up, again, being attracted by the large group on the State House grounds. Normally, the lights control the traffic quite well. Q. After a period of approximately a half hour or during that period, did any police officer or any one else, to your knowledge, interfere with this group of students ? A. Not to my knowledge, no. SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland County 165 Irving G. M cNayr Q. After the period of a half an hour, approximately a half an hour, which you have just mentioned, what action, if any was taken by you? A. Following the students marching through or walking through the State House grounds, they, then, or a great number of them, came around from the back of the State House or the side of the State House and started to forming groups to come down Gervais Street, heading each towards the horseshoe, and by that time a great number of people had gathered in the horse shoe area, along the State House grounds in that im mediate vicinity, particularly across the street on both sides of Main Street, facing the horseshoe area. It was, at that time—now, I can be exect in my time—it was just about a quarter to one when the students began to gather there. The crowd had reached such propor tions and there were numerous people coming through the State House grounds, apparently from the State Office buildings in the rear of the Capitol itself, who were being impeded in getting through, a number of them stopping as a result of it, so, that, in my judg ment, I felt that the conditions were such that the stu dents, who were the main attraction to all of these peo ple, should disperse. I, then, was in touch with David Carter, the recognized leader of this group, and I in structed him that I felt that the conditions were such that the students should disperse in small groups from the area and that I felt that the conditions were such that they should be dispersed within the next fifteen minutes. These instructions were given at approxi mately five minutes of one. Carter, then, as each group moved forward, did not carry out my instructions in the manner in which I gave them. He used the occasion to harangue the students, to raise them to a fever pitch, 166 The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. SUPREME COURT_________ Irving G. M cN ayr using a chant, a religious type method for arousing the students to stay in line, to be arrested, if that was their chosen line. Q. Did you hear any singing, chanting or anything of that nature from the student group? A. Yes. Q. Describe that as best you can. A. With the harangues, which I have just described, witnessed frankly by everyone present and in this area, the students began answering back with shouts. They became boisterous. They stomped their feet. They sang 662 in loud voices to the point where, again, in my judg ment, a dangerous situation was really building up. Q. Did the students disperse after the instructions were given to them? A. No, they did not. Q. What course of action was then taken by you? A. I then instructed the Chief of Police, Chief Camp bell, to proceed to arrest all of the students. I might add that the SLED officers were working in conjunction with and in cooperation with the City Police officers, ess and they, too, moved under those general instructions. Q. I see. Your witness. C r o s s E x a m i n a t i o n By Mr. Jenkins: Q. You have stated, Mr. McNayr, that you had ad vanced warning that these students would move on the State House grounds on that particular day? A. Yes, I did. Q. Would you state how much advance warning you had ? 664 A. Yes. I received a telephone call from Chief Camp bell at approximately 10:30 that morning informing SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland County 167 Trying G. M cNayr me that the students were then in the process of meet ing at the Zion Baptist Church and that, his informa tion was, that they planned to proceed from there to the State House grounds for the purpose of demon stration. Q. And they actually proceeded to the State House grounds possibly how long after 10:30? A. I would say they came out of the church at some time between quarter past eleven and half past eleven, then proceeded to walk. Q. You had approximately an hour’s notice? A. Yes. Q. You had ample time, didn’t you, to get ample po lice protection, if you thought such was needed on the State House grounds, didn’t you? A. Yes, we did. Q. So, if there were not ample police protection there, it was the fault of those persons in charge of the Police Department, wasn’t it? A. There was ample police protection there. Q. There was ample police protection and there was no need for the arrests which were made, isn’t that true ? A. No, that is not true. Q. I believe that the testimony has been that you arrested these persons because a dangerous situation was about to take place or something to that effect? A. In my judgment. Q. You also stated that, in your judgment, you had ample police protection to handle the situation? A. That’s correct. Q. So it wasn’t necessary to arrest these students that were on the Grounds? 168 SUPREME COURT The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. Irving G. M cN ayr A. Yes, it was necessary to arrest them. Simply be cause we had ample policemen there for their pro tection and the protection of others, is no reason for not placing them under arrest when they refused a lawful request to move on. Q. We are not charged with refusing an order. A. You are charged with a breach of the peace and it occurred during this period. Q. Breach of peace being merely that the students came on the grounds and there registered certain pro tests which they had; that, in your mind, is a breach of the peace? A. No, that isn’t what I testified. Q. Now, I believe your testimony was to the effect that no police officer interfered in any manner with the students or something to that effect? A. I said, to the best of my knowledge, that they did not. You must understand that they were moving around the State Capitol Grounds. Q. That’s what I was getting at. You confined your activities mostly to the horseshoe area? A. Yes, I did. Q. And since the State House Grounds cover ap proximately two blocks by one block— A. Probably about two blocks square. Q. There was ample opportunity for other police officers to really interfere with these students and you know nothing about it? A. That is true. Q. You observed the students coming eastward on Gervais Street or approaching the State Capitol? A. Yes. SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland County 169 Irving G. M cNayr Q. At that time, you said they were marching in groups, small groups? ,A. They were marching in groups of from fifteen, the largest approximately thirty. Q. They were walking two abreast or single file? A. Two abreast. Q. Do you recall the approximate distance between each group? A. Well, as they were walking, I would say certainly at arm’s length or possibly a greater distance. I think the distances were varying. Q. The distances between the groups themselves— let us say, the first group and the second group and the second and the third? A. As they were marching up, they could have been five feet or ten feet apart. Q. I believe your testimony on previous occasions said they were from a quarter to a third of a block apart, the groups, do you recall that? A. I don’t recall any testimony by me to that effect. They may well have been, however, but it would vary as they marched along. Q. Now, each group was stopped, I believe you testi fied, up near the horseshoe area? A. That’s correct. Q. They were stopped by an official of the Governor of South Carolina? A. That’s correct. Q. You were also present at that time as an official of the City of Columbia? A. Yes. 170 SUPREME COURT The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. Irving Gr. M cN ayr Q. Was the effect of your stopping these groups of 377 '*•' istudents to make the second group, let us say, push up into the first group or at least get nearer? A. Yes, to move up. Q. That would make the third group move up to where the second group was? A. Again, I think they kept a normal distance. Q. It is a fact, is it not, that by the interference of you and other officials you created the very situation that you said you were trying to prevent? A. No, that is not true. 678 ' Q. You have testified to the congestion of the area of the horseshoe? A. Yes. Q. Had these students been allowed to continue in the manner in which they had approached the horse shoe area, this congestion would not have been there, would it? A. That I can’t answer because they were not al lowed to continue by Mr. Walker. 679 Q- So, you certainly, by your actions, contributed to whatever congestion there may have been there in that area? A. I think you misunderstood my testimony. I did not have anything to say to the students or instruct them in any way at that point. Q. When I say “you” I mean the official action by someone, instructing these groups of students in the horseshoe area, there would not have been this con gestion ? A. Yes, there would have been congestion. A group 680 of students, such as this, moving in with signs and SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland County 171 Irving G. M cNayr placards as they carried, would cause congestion just naturally. Q. There was no congestion among the groups of students themselves, was there, prior to the official ac tion stopping them in the horseshoe? A. No. Q. Now, then, your testimony here is that the groups were allowed to walk through the area of the State House Grounds without further molestation, as far as you are concerned? A. That was not a molestation; that was simply stopping them to give them instructions on the part of Mr. Walker. Q. Here again, we are involved in the use or the meaning of words—according to which side of the fence you are on, the meaning of it? A. I wanted to get across my interpretation of it. Q. Yes, sir. Now, then, they walked perhaps through the area of the State House Grounds—did they end up down near the area of Sumter Street? A. Yes, as nearly as I could determine, they moved down Sumter Street and then back on to Gervais and down. Q. Then started westward on Gervais back towards the horseshoe area? A. Yes. Q. Still in these relatively small groups, they started Avest ? A. Yes. Q. Once they approached the horseshoe area, as a matter of fact, as they got to the horseshoe area the second time that is Avhen you gave instructions to ar rest them ? The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. Irving G. M cNayr A. No, that was when I informed their leader, David 686 JCarter, that they should he dispersed, that, in my judg ment, the situation was becoming tense and then I asked him to instruct them that they were given fifteen minutes and then they should disperse. Q. That’s when each group was stopped again? A. Yes, they had moved down on the sidewalk and stopped. Q. But the various groups were stopped again, that’s the second time they were stopped as they got back to the horseshoe area! 6;S A. On that occasion, I wouldn’t say they were stopped. They apparently stopped voluntarily. Now, Carter may have stopped them. I was adjacent to him. Q. You certainly stopped Carter in the first group that he was leading at that time, didn’t you? A. Carter was not leading the group. Carter was also situated in the area where I was standing. He was moving back in that area. To my knowledge, he did not proceed through the State House Grounds with any group. 187 Q. At any rate, you gave him instructions to give to the groups of students? A. Yes, I did. Q. And, following your instructions, he then stopped the groups? A. Each group. Q. Here, again, if there were a congestion of the students, it came about at that time, isn’t it true? A. Yes. Q. So, because of your interference there was this congestion which you now say you were trying to pre vent, is that not right? 172_____________ SUPREME COURT________________ SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland County 173 Irving G. M cNayr jA. That is not true. Yon are attempting to nse words again which are not given the true connotation. As the lawful officer of the City of Columbia, as City Manager, I felt it my duty to see that this situation, as created by the students themselves, be dispersed for their safety and for the safety of the general public of Columbia. Now, I don’t believe the word “ interference” is at all a sound and useful word in this case. Q. I have no quarrel with why you acted, no quarrel with that at all, I ’m merely trying to get the results of your action and you have testified that they were ap proaching in relatively small groups and, after you gave certain instructions to be relayed to them, they were then stopped and the end result was the various groups lost their identity and comingled as one large group ! A. No, I ’m not testifying to that at all. Q. What are you saying! A. I ’m saying that they retained their identity in groups in that area, in small groups still, to the best of my knowledge, and then in those small groups, after being harangued, they burst into singing, shouting and stomping and so on. Q. They still remain in small groups! A. Relatively small groups but more closely bunched than in the past. Q. Prior to the time when you gave your instructions to David Carter, there had been no singing or loud noises from the students, is that true! A. Not to my knowledge. Again, these were out of earshot, as far as I was concerned. 174 SUPREME COURT The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. Irving 0 . M cNayr Q. This stomping, which you have talked about, and shouting, prior to your giving instructions to David Carter, there had been none of that? A. Again, not to my knowledge. Q. So, that, to your knowledge, the groups of stu dents, prior to this time, were orderly and peaceful? A. Yes. Q. All indications were that they would have con tinued to be orderly and peaceful had they not stopped David Carter and given him certain instructions to be relayed to them? Was that a normal thing? A. That’s purely conjectural on your part. Q. Would you agree to that conjecture? A. No. I have no idea whether they would have been or not. Q. There was no evidence to the contrary, prior to that time, was there? A. No evidence to the contrary in any other manner as to how they would react. Q. Nevertheless, they had been peaceful and quiet prior to that time? A. Yes. Q. Now, would you care to state for the record what caused anxiety on your part for the safety of these students and for the safety of the general public? A. Yes, I ’d be quite willing to. As I observed the crowds gathering, both in the horseshoe area, on the State House Grounds, I would estimate that in ad dition to the students there were 200 to 250 people in the general horseshoe area. On the other side of Ger- vais, the two entrances to Main coming into Gervais, I would estimate that there were probably a like number beginning to congregate over there. Traffic was being SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland County 175 Irving G. M cNayr slowed np and becoming congested. I observed in the group around the area what I would describe as pos sible trouble making people and it was my judgment and remains my judgment that we might well, had the conditions been allowed to continue, were the students allowed to again march through the State House Grounds, had they been allowed to remain on the side walk area, we might well have had violence. Q. You base that only on the fact that you saw trouble makers in the area, potential trouble makers! A. Not only saw trouble makers but I know that whenever you have a large group gathering, all that is necessary is one minor incident or one minor spark and this could have resulted in a real race riot in that area. Q. Have you ever observed Armed Forces Day when there was a parade down Main Street and the large number of Whites and Negroes together there! A. Yes, indeed. Q. Did you expect any race riot then! A. None whatsoever. Q. Much larger groups than you had here so it wasn’t the fact that you had Negroes and Whites there together that you were expecting a riot. A. The facts were that you had these students and you had a congestion during the parades you have dis cussed when Negroes and Whites were mingling to gether with a common purpose; this was not a common purpose for which they were gathering on this day. Q. Did you observe any placards which the students were carrying! A A. I did. 176 SUPREME COURT The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. Irving G. M cNayr m Q. Would you care to say what the general tone or wording on the placards was? A. I really can’t remember what they were. Q. Generally, would you say that those placards ex pressed some feelings or opinions in regards to cer tain conditions that existed? A. Yes. Q. Those conditions were conditions of segregation and discrimination as felt by the students? A. As felt by the students. 702 Q. Is it not a fact that you feared violence because you feared there may be persons in the group ivho dis agreed with the opinion expressed by those Negro students ? A. No, that wasn’t the basis for my action. My fear was that there would be violence because of the feel ings of many of the people in the groups against the demonstrations themselves, not necessarily what they were protesting against. Q. You don’t mean that you feared there would be T03 violence because of disagreement of certain persons in the area with the fact that there were Negro stu dents in that area? A. In the manner in which they were there. I ’m sure that Negro students have gone through the State House Grounds over the years but not in this manner and not with the intent of collecting a crowd and demonstrating. Q. And not with the evident intent of protesting against certain policies and practices? Would you also 704 say that? A. Yes. SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland County 177 Irving G. M cNayr Q. Does it not follow that each potential trouble maker in the area perhaps also disagreed— Mr. Coleman: If Your Honor please, I don’t like to object. How could Mr. McNayr possibly know what thoughts were in the minds of the people in the crowd? We could go on forever with this. He has al ready stated that, thinking that the demonstration should be stopped after a long period of time, and going into a continuous line of questioning, which involves the thoughts of the people in the crowd, is just utterly ridiculous. Mr. Jenkins: If Your Honor pleases, this witness is on cross examination, stating his reasons for making certain arrests and I ’m merely questioning him as to his reasons and trying to find out what laid the basis for these arrests. We submit that, as an official of the government of the City of Columbia, being in charge of the Police Department, he has certain rights. He has the right to see that these conditions, which he thinks may have arisen, do not arise but certainly he cannot just form that opinion just out of a clear blue sky, so to speak. He must base it upon some knowledge which has come to his attention or some opinion which he may form and we submit that on cross examination we have a right to delve into these matters. Mr. Coleman: If Your Honor please, may I sav one more word? There is no objection whatever to counsel cross examining Mr. McNayr with regard to the rea sons but he is now asking Mr. McNayr to go into the minds of the crowd out there and tell us what that crowd was thinking. It’s fantastic. 178 SUPREME COURT The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. Irving G-. M cNayr The Court: The Court has previously overruled a few minutes ago that opinions be stricken from the record— Mr. Jenkins: Before you rule, Your Honor, I should like to state this, the witness on the stand has testi fied, both in direct and on cross examination, that he acted to prevent certain occurrences which he thought may take place. His whole action was based upon thought. Now, thought based on what? He has not testi fied to any overt act on anybody in the crowd. He has testified that he acted because he thought they may do something and certainly I am bound to question him as to what gave him reasons to believe that these would take place. The Court: The Court is of opinion that you can cross examine the witness hut as to the opinions of other people, I believe that was your objection, that is sustained. Q. It was testified, Mr. McNayr, that on occasions, such as, the parade, I believe you were talking about, there were persons both White and Negro acting with a common purpose and everything was peaceful? A. Yes. Q. Do you mean to state now that whenever there is a common purpose, on the part of Negroes, that there are some Whites around, that violence will nec essarily follow? You don’t mean to say that, do you? A. I ’m afraid you’re trying to twist the whole thing. Q. Certainly, I ’m not. I ’m trying to get in the record what led to the arrest of these persons on that day and the arrest certainly interfered with certain rights which they had. That’s what I ’m trying to get out. A. May I answer in my own words? SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland County 179 Irving Gr. M cNayr Q. Certainly. A. I think I have stated the reasons. There is in ex istence in this city, in this area, at the present time, well known to yon and to these Negro students a feel ing of tenseness in the racial situation. This was known to these students prior to their coming to town. I have discussed this with the recognized leader, David Car ter, on numerous occasions. They were fully aware of these conditions. They are fully aware of the fact that when a crowd gathers, such as gathered on this oc casion, on the basis of this demonstration, that they are subjecting themselves to violence, as well as the people in the immediate area. Mr. Attorney, you know that as well as I do. Under these conditions, at higli noon on that day, those people moving out of the State Offices, people going to lunch generally, the possibility of University students being let out at that time and coming through that area, I acted and I think I acted soundly and in the best interest of the citizens of Co lumbia and the students, and that is the basis for my action. Mr. Jenkins: If Your Honor please, I did not stop Mr. McNayr when he was expressing opinions which I have and thoughts which I had and which these stu dents on that day had and, in view of Your Honor’s rulings, otherwise we respectfully submit that all of that answer should be stricken from the record because it was based strictly on conjecture as to what Mr. Mc Nayr thinks and what I thought and what he thinks and what the public thinks. Mr. Coleman: If Your Honor please, counsel has expressed some objection to something that is a techni- ISO The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. _________ SUPREME COURT_________ Irving G. M cNayr cal point. Are you objecting to the testimony which you drew out of the witness? Mr. Jenkins: I still, if Your Honor please, move that the answer be stricken. Mr. Coleman: If Your Honor pleases, this question was not asked by me on direct examination. Counsel asked the question. He could have objected at any time. I have never in my life heard of any procedure in any courtroom where counsel elicits an answer from a wit ness, listens to it without objection and then turns around and asks that the answer be stricken. To my 718 knowledge, there’s no such rule of law. I ’d like to be educated to that. The Court: Objection overruled. Q. Would you acknowledge that the students on that day acted with a common purpose, the students that you arrested? A. They were acting with a common purpose. Q. Would you agree that their common purpose was to protest against what they considered racial dis crimination? 7 1 9 A -VTA. Yes. Mr. McNayr, did you see any overt act on the part of any of these persons in the crowd which would tend towards violence? A. No, I saw no overt act. Q. Did you hear any remarks from any members of the crowd which would lead you to believe that there may be violence on the part of any of these students ? A. Not to my personal knowledge. O. Now, you have testified that you can identify some of the present defendants as having been in- SUPREME COURT 181 Appeal from Richland County Irving G. M cNayr volved in the situation on March the 2nd, which led to the arrest of all of them? A. Yes. Q. There are, I believe, thirty-six defendants before the Court today. They are sitting generally on the first three or four rows of this are of the courtroom. (In dicating.) A. Yes. Q. Would you care to point out those defendants among this group that you recognize as having been involved in this situation on that day? A. I cannot identify all of them by name. I can iden tify them as having seen them there. Q. You can identify thirty odd of these defendants as you have a conscious recollection of having seen them on that day? A. No, I did not testify in that manner at all. I have testified that out of this group I recognize two or three as having been there. Q. I wonder if you would care to point out those two or three in this group that you recognize as having participated in the activities on the day in question? A. Yes. I can point out David Carter, who is thoroughly familiar to me. He is smiling now. I can pick out the very young fellow in the hack, second from the left, up there in the fourth row and I can pick out this fellow—well, I can pick out four or five. This youn fellow sitting on the front, on the left, and also I can pick out Williams, I believe he’s a defendant this morning. Q. Sitting near to Reverend Carter? A. Oh, yes, he’s sitting behind the other attorney. 182 SUPREME COURT The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. Irving Gr. M cNayr Q. That’s about five or six. That’s about three more than I thought you could. A. I ’m doing very well. Q. Now, you have testified as to activities of David Carter on that day. Now, would you care to testify as to what specific acts you saw these other persons doing that you were able to pick out ? A. The others were in these relatively small groups with the exception of—I can’t recall whether Williams was in a group or whether he was something of Car ter’s Chief Lieutenant, and I believe he was moving 726 around, maybe he was one of the Captains, I don’t know. Q. I think you know Reverend Carter and Williams quite well! A. I do. I ’ve seen a great deal of him and I ’ve also seen Williams, too. Q. Now, can you pick out Williams as having been singing and yelling and stomping his feet and shout ing? A. I don’t think I can. Again, he was so active in 727 carrying out instructions, I guess, that I can’t identify him as being one of a group. Q. Now, the other four or five students, can you point out specifically any acts of shouting, screaming, yelling? A. On the part of those individuals? Q. Yes. A. No, I cannot. Q. So, then, you cannot find any of these defendants 72g as having done any of these specific acts which you have described, which led to the charge of breach of the peace on March the 2nd? SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland County 183 Irving 0 . M cNayr A. Yes, I can. Carter. Q. With the exception of Carter? A. Very definitely, but the others I can only identify them as being in these various groups who did this sort of thing, but not as individuals. Q. Insofar as the defendant Carter is concerned, the misconduct on his part was that he harangued, did you say? A. He was a very active fellow that morning, in addition to organizing, keeping them all in line, issuing instructions, generally, to them upon my instructions to him, to have the group dispersed, then he proceeded with his harangue or whatever you wish to call it. Q. I don’t like that word “harangue” , but I don’t know a better word to use. A. I think that describes it pretty well. Q. I take no exception to that. Prior to that time, was David Carter apparently trying to keep the peace, to keep down confusion among the persons in his group? You say he was generally issuing instructions? A. Yes. Again, if I may use my own words, these people came to the Grounds in orderly fashion—I ’ve testified to this. They were reasonably well dressed. There was no profanity, no jeering. They had ap parently been well instructed as to how they should be have. I assume that Dave Carter was seeing to it that they kept that way during this parade. Q. That was the impression he gave you? A. That was the impression he gave me on this oc casion and on previous occasions. Q. The situation, then, so far as he and his group were concerned, got out of his hand after you had is sued certain instructions? 184 SUPREME COURT The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. Irving G. M cNayr A. After I had told him that in my judgment the group must he dispersed and apparently that really set him off. Q. You did not identify any of these defendants as having crowded anyone else off the sidewalk or having blocked any vehicular traffic? A. Not as individuals, no, but on occasions they were filing back and forth across these areas and I ’m cer tain some people were blocked out. Q. There is, then, a possibility that some of these defendants may have been bystanders rather than ac tive participants in the so-called gathering? A. Oh, there is that possibility. Again, we have po lice arrest records, identification cards on each one of these people. It would be impossible for me to identify these individuals. Q. The records which you have are based only on records—in fact, they are the original records at the arrest of these individuals when they were carried down to City Jail? A. Yes. Q. Now, you, on that day, in this situation, you made no arrest of any one except these student defendants? ,A. That’s right. Q. With the exception of one young man’s name? A. Yes, of my own knowledge, I knew nothing of the arrest of that boy, really, until very late in the evening. Q. Frankly, you don’t know whether he participated the activities or not? A. No, I don’t. I never saw him, as a matter of fact. Q. Now, with reference to some of these potential trouble makers, there was no arrest of any of them? A. No, there was not. Appeal from Richland County Irving G. M oNayr Q. Of your own knowledge, do you know of any of these Negro defendants in this group or other groups who you would call trouble makers'? A. Not in the sense that I was using the word pre viously, No. Q. You don’t know, of your own knowledge, of any instance when they have participated in any act of violence? A. No. Q. Do you know of any instance where they have urged any act of violence? A. No, I do not. Q. I believe you are generally familiar with the overall movement, as expressed by these defendants, throughout the City of Columbia for the past year? A. I am quite familiar with it. Q. Do you know, of your own knowledge, of any vio lence on the part of any of those Negro participants in those activities? A. No, I do not. Q. And would you say that these defendants are typical of the other persons involved in the same group, in your experience throughout the past year? A. Yes, I would. Mr. Jenkins: No further questions. By Mr. Coleman: Q. Counsel has very skillfully drawn from you part of your reasoning, part of the reasons behind your action in having to do with the arrest, which was that you feared possible violence there, but there was other testimony that you just gave as to the blocking of the streets and the sidewalks. Did these factors enter into your decision to stop the demonstration? SUPREME COURT 185 186 SUPREME COURT The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. Irving G. M cNayr Joseph Barnett A. Yes, they did. Q. Materially! A. Yes, very materially. (Witness excused.) The Court: We will take a five minute recess. (Court reconvened.) Whereupon, Mr. Coleman called Joseph Barnett who, being first duly sworn, testified as follows: 742 Direct Examination By Mr. Coleman: Q. Mr. Barnett, what is your full name, please! A. Joseph P. Barnett. Q. Are you a resident of Columbia! A. I am. Q. What is your occupation? A. I am a Reporter for The State newspaper. Q. Did you have occasion— A. First, Mr. Coleman, I ’d like to point out that I 7« was subpoenaed to appear here today. Q. Yes, you were subpoenaed by the Attorney Gen eral’s Office, by me, is that correct! A. That is correct. Q. Did you have occasion on last March the 2nd, at any time during the day, to be in the vicinity of the State House grounds in the City of Columbia! A. Yes, sir. Q. At what time did you arrive, if you remember? A. I arrived there probably at 12:35, probably 12:33 or 12:34 or 12:35. Mr. Coleman: If Your Honor please, would counsel agree that I might refer to the group of students, here- 744 SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland County 187 Joseph Barnett tofore identified, about which there has been testimony, without going into the full thing? Mr. Jenkins: Go ahead. Q. Did you see the group of students about which previous witnesses have testified on the grounds that day? A. Yes, sir. Q. Did you see any placards being carried by these students ? A. Yes, sir. Q. Do you remember what any of the placards said or one or none at all? A. Two of them stand out in my mind. Q. I notice that you are using notes, Mr. Barnett. Were those notes made by you? A. They were made by me. I was acting as a re porter at that time. Q. Made by you at the time? A. At the time. One girl, Negro girl, was carrying a plac which got my attention and I wrote it down. It said: “You may jail our bodies but not our souls” . Q. Do you remember any other placards? A. There was another placard, of which I ordered a photograph to be taken, which said words similar to that about going to jail for freedom and I had a pho tograph of that placard made. Q. At what point of time approximately, with ref erence to the arrival of these students on the State House grounds, did you observe the two signs, if you remember? Was it when they first got there or after wards ? A. I can determine that very closely from my notes because my notes have times in them, and I wrote down that placard “You may jail our bodies but not our 188 SUPREME COURT The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. Joseph Barnett m souls” within two or three minutes after I wrote down 12:35, and 12:35 was the time that this group arrived at the horseshoe for what ensued. Q. Were you in and about the horseshoe the entire period of time in which the students were on the State House grounds? A. I was. I left when a large group was marched off to the City Jail. I left in an automobile at that time. Q. Did you observe the horseshoe area itself from time to time? A. I was in it, around it, all over it. ™ Q. Would you describe the area with reference to the presence or absence of any large number of per sons? A. As has been previously testified, this was near lunch time and there were a lot of State employees there; there were a lot of shoppers and there was this large group, which I had previously counted down at Zion Baptist Church as being 188 in number, but I must have miscounted, but they were on the grounds, all in the horseshoe area, all at one time there. They m were met at the entrance to the horseshoe as they came up from Zion Baptist Church and there were groups of them coming up as another group was coming around. They were all over the area there. Q. Mr. Barnett, with regard to the presence or ab sence of any other persons who did not appear to be included in the student group, describe your observa tions as to them, if there were any? A. I noticed over on the corners by the Carolina Life Building and by the Wade Hampton Hotel, I noticed T52 that there were a number of white persons beginning to congregate. I noticed the traffic policeman, that the City Manager has testified to, had been placed in the SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland County 189 Joseph Babnett intersection. The automobiles were slowing down at the intersection and the monument, that is in the mid dle of the horseshoe, there were probably fifteen to twenty-five people standing on the little steps that lead up to the monument getting an overall view. There were State officials, police, State employees in the horseshoe area. There were many State employees up on the State House porch on both sides, both the North Main Street and the South Main Street sides. Q. With regard to the sidewalks along each side of the horseshoe and the lanes for vehicular traffic on each side of the monument, would you describe any persons, if there were any in those areas ? A. The parking lot itself was full with automobiles leaving very little space on the driving portion for people but there were people congregating there. There were persons congregating on the sidewalks them selves, just standing by watching. C r o s s E x a m i n a t i o n By Mr. Sampson: Q. Mr. Barnett, did you notice any other signs, other than the two that you mentioned a moment ago? A. I made an estimate, at the time, and I estimated that probably in these groups, there were probably three signs to a group of fifteen or twenty, which car ried all sorts of slogans, some were big and some were small. They were all generally handwritten, looked like they had been made in a hurry. Q. Did it have anything to do with discrimination or anything about that? A. Oh, yes. Q. Let me ask you this, sir. Were you present when the first case was tried on March the 7th, I believe, of this year? 190 SUPREME COURT _______The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. J oseph B arnett 757 A. I was. The first case, I was present. Q. Did I understand yon to say that yon are a news paper reporter? A. Right. Q. What paper do you work for? A. The State newspaper. Q. Are you familiar with the policy of The State newspaper? A. Generally, yes. Q. Is it their policy generally to permit— Mr. Coleman: If Tour Honor please, that is entirely 7"s irrelevant and I object on that ground. Q. I ’ll withdraw that. Did you or did you not write an article for this newspaper having to do with this aft air ? A. Yes. Q. So the truth of the matter is you had a judgment before you appeared here now as a witness, a pre judgment? A. I am here to testify as to what I saw and ob served. I have no pre-judgment. 759 Q. Isn’t it fair to say that you had a pre-judgment of this matter because you had formed an opinion on it before you were subpoenaed to appear here as a witness? Isn’t that right? Mr. Coleman: If Your Honor please, I hate to keep interrupting but the witness has not attempted to qualify himself as an expert. He has given no opinion in the evidence. He has merely testified to the physical things that he saw there that day. I fail to follow the questioning on his judgment. 760 Mr. Sampson: May it please the Court, I under stand what Mr. Coleman is objecting to but I ’d like to remind him that this is cross examination and I have SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland County 191 J oseph B arnett a perfect right to ask him any question that might show a bias or a pre-formed opinion. It’s on cross ex amination and this is a reporter and he wrote about it and we had a trial before he appeared here as a wit ness and I think it’s perfectly competent to ask him whether or not he had any pre-judgment about this case before he appeared. The Court: The witness has answered that he did not. Objection sustained. Q. How long have you been a reporter in Columbia, Mr. Barnett? A. I started with The State in 1945. Q. 1945? A. I took off three years for a little Army duty. Q. You have had numerous occasions to observe the horseshoe area at the State House grounds, haven’t you? A. Many times. Q. And would it be fair to say that you are familiar with the general traffic lights and signals in that area? A. Yes. Q. To your knowledge, they normally function per fectly, don’t they, sir? A. Yes. Q. And, to your knowledge, I ask you whether or not on this particular occasion were they functioning normally? A. That I can’t say. To watch those lights there, you’d have to go to about five different positions to see. if they were functioning normally. Q. You have no reason to believe that they were not functioning normally? A. Oh, no. Q. You’re not a traffic expert, are you? 192 The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. _________ SUPREME COURT_________ J oseph B arnett A. No. Q. Would it be reasonable to assume that the lights were functioning normally at the time you observed this group or crowd, as you say? A. It would be reasonable. Mr. Coleman: That calls for an assumption on the witness’ part by the words of the question itself. I will stipulate that the traffic signals were working normally. Mr. Sampson: At the time he was judging them? Is that right? Mr. Coleman: Yes. Q. I ask you again: you were present at the first trial, is that right? A. Right. Q. To the best of your recollection, did you or did you not or do you or do you not recall any witness for the State on that occasion saying that the traffic signals were not observed? A. Were not observed by the motorist? Q. That’s right. A. I generally remember somebody saying that traf fic was not flowing at its normal rate, which would mean that they were not being observed but that’s an assumption on my part. Q. The lights were not observed. By the way, this was at a lunch hour, wasn’t it? This was during their lunch hour? A. Right. Q. This is a heavily travelled intersection, isn’t it? A. Right. Q. Normally, the traffic is heavier then? A. I presume it was just as normal as any other lunch hour. SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland County 193 J oseph B arnett Q. Isn’t it fair to say that the traffic at that time was normal for that particular area? A. Probably so. Q. Now, since you’ve been here since 1945, what is the largest crowd that you have observed on the State House grounds in this area? A. I think that would be Vice-President Nixon’s rally, if I ’m not mistaken, at which he spoke. Q. Last year? A. Right. Prior to the election. Q. You didn’t have any breaches of the peace aris ing out of that, did you? A. No, I think they had the Governor’s permission to use the State House grounds. Q. How large would you estimate that crowd to be, sir? A. I don’t remember exactly what it was. I flew over it in an airplane. Q. Would you say the traffic was under control on that occasion, sir? A. If I recall, the streets were blocked off at that time. Q. Oh, I see. By the way, this parking lot which you observed as being full, isn’t it true that that parking lot is normally full at that time of day? A. With automobiles, yes. Q. Now, let me ask you this, Mr. Barnett, do you recall having seen any of these particular defendants blocking the traffic or the sidewalks? A. Oh, yes. Q. Could you identify them? A. Oh, yes. Q. Would you care to identify them by pointing out and having them stand up? 194 SUPREME COURT The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. J oseph B arnett A. Well, I can identify Carter and his lieutenant or captain, Charles McDew, back there, the Reverend Glover. Q. Any more? A. By name, I think that’s all I can recall right now, but by face, I think I could give you ten or twelve more. Q. Now, I ask you, how were they blocking the side walks or the traffic? A. They were blocking the sidewalks on two occa sions that I recall; first, when they arrived at the State House and then after they had walked through the State House grounds, they blocked it again just across the horseshoe on Gervais. Q. Did you observe any of these particular defend ants doing that? A. Oh, yes. Q. Let me ask you this: when they arrived there, it is my recollection of the testimony that they were given permission to go around the State House grounds? A. Right. They were given permission—this would be hearsay testimony but Mr. Walker told them they could go through the State House grounds once but— this is a direct quote from my notes—“walking around and around is a breach of the peace. You have no right to go on these grounds for demonstration” . He told that to Charles McDew, who I understand is a defend ant today, at 12:35. After he had told those words to Charles McDew, McDew then said “May I pass?” Q. Other than the defendants which you named a moment ago, did you observe any of the others block ing traffic? A. Like I say, on the two occasions when they first arrived then after they had walked through the State SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland County 195 J oseph B arnett House grounds, they sort of back-logged up there on the Gervais Street end. Q. Did you observe them they were in groups and an officer was by each group? A. Well, yes, that was generally after arrest that the officer was by them. They were still in groups, some large and some small, after arrest. Q. You wouldn’t say that they were blocking the traffic then in the custody of an officer? A. Well, I think they were all generally lined up single file and single file doesn’t black the traffic of the State House walkways. Mr. Sampson: That’s all. Thank you. Mr. Coleman: No further questions. (Witness excused.) Mr. Coleman: If Your Honor please, the State has three more witnesses, Mr. L. J. Campbell, Chief of Police of the City of Columbia, Mr. Dan F. Beckman, Assistant Chief of South Carolina Law Enforcement Division, Mr. A. C. Shorter, Jr., who is a member of the South Carolina Law Enforcement Division. These three men have testified at the two previous trials aris ing out of this occasion and, with Your Honor’s per mission, counsel has agreed to stipulate that their tes timony here today would be substantially the same as their previous testimony, including testimony by Chief Campbell with regard to, I think, the vacation of the warrants, the names contained in those warrants being the names of persons arrested in the City of Columbia on last March 2nd and who were a part of the group of students. With Your Honor’s permission, counsel will offer that testimony as stipulated testimony and I will ask Chief Campbell to take the stand for one question on cross examination. 196 SUPREME COURT The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. Chief L. J. Campbell Mr. Jenkins: If it is agreeable with Your Honor, we will so stipulate. The Court: All right. Whereupon, Chief L. J. Campbell was duly sworn and testified as follows: C r o s s E x a m m a t i o n By Mr. Jenkins: Q. Chief Campbell, would you identify, if any, every one of these particular defendants present today who "* committed any of the acts of blocking traffic, vehicular and pedestrian and otherwise committing a breach of the peace on March the 2nd, 1961? A. Of course, I know a couple of them very person ally, Dave Carter and Williams. Of course, the faces are familiar and I would say that they were in the group of the Negro students on March the 2nd. Q. Are these two, whom you have named, those are the only ones that you can positively identify? A. That I could swear that they were there, except tbs as their names were called on the warrants and they appeared. Mr. Jenkins: No further questions. (Witness excused.) Mr. Coleman: If Your Honor please, do you have a copy of the warrants of the previous trials ? The Court: I can get them. Mr. Coleman: I thought possibly we should read in the record the trial that we had in mind. If Your Honor please, I should like to place in the record that, with 7g4 regard to the stipulation of testimony, one of the trials to which reference is made and in which testimony was given by the three witnesses named was entitled T h e SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland County 197 Chief L. J. Campbell A. C. S horter, Jr. tob S t a t e v e r s u s G e o r g e C l e v e l a n d F o s t e r , J a m e s J e r o m e K i r t o n , I s a a c W a s h i n g t o n , R o l a n d J o h n n i e R h a m e s , J o s e p h R . B a i l e y , I s a a c J e r o m e C a m p b e l l , D a v i d G r e e n a n d C h a r l e s F u l t o n B a r r , the trial of which case was held in this court room on Tuesday, March the 13th, and including also the first trial which arose out of this matter involving these defendants and other Ne gro students of the City of Columbia on March the 2nd, 1961. Is that agreeable? Mr. Jenkins: The first trial was held on March 7th, 1961. 786 Mr. Coleman: One of the trials, the first, to which reference is made in this stipulation, was entitled T h e S t a t e v e r s u s J a m e s E d w a r d s , J r . , A l v e s t e r P a t e , J r . , P i n c k n e y M o s e l e y , M e l v i n R r o w n , J r . , H a r o l d E u g e n e N i m m o n s . W i l l i e B o y k i n J o n e s , W i l l i a m P e r k i n s , B i l l A l v i n S u l l i v a n , the trial of which was held in your court on March 7th, 1961. The State has no further evi dence, Your Honor. If Your Honor please, we did agree that the other two witnesses would take the stand for this same question that was asked of Chief Camp- n r bell. Whereupon, Mr. A. C. S horter, Jr., was duly sworn and testified as follows: C r o s s E x a m i n a t i o n By Mr. Jenkins: Q. Mr. Shorter, I want to ask you if you will iden tify any of the particular defendants on trial today who you remember having taken part in the activities on March the 2nd, 1961 and, if in the event you iden tify any of these defendants, as having done any of 198 SUPREME COURT The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. A. C. Shorter, Jr. Dan F. B eckman these specific acts leading towards the charge of breach of the peace against them, yon will state that also for the record? A. I can identify David Carter, McDew, his first name I do not know offhand; I can pick him out if yon like. Q. These defendants are present? A. McDew attends school in Orangeburg and he’s on the third seat, hack on the left. I can identify him as particularly breaching the peace. He led the first group and was very belligerent as he went around, wanting to go through the walkways, crisscross, in double file, which I asked him not to do. He stopped on each walk way and insisted that he do so. I told him he could go through single file, in smaller groups, that’s McDew. Q. I believe you also pointed out David Carter as having done specific acts. A. You asked me if I knew any of them by name and I said I knew David Carter by name. I don’t remember any specific act that David Carter did. Q. Then, you know of no specific act that any of the other individual defendants did on that date? A. I can’t pick them out. Mr. Jenkins: I have no further questions. Mr. Coleman: No questions. (Witness excused.) Whereupon, Chief D an F. B eckman was duly sworn and testified as follows: C r o s s E x a m i n a t i o n By Mr. Jenkins: Q. Chief Beckman, I know in the beginning you will recognize at least two of the defendants on trial today. SUPREME COURT Appeal from Ricliland County 199 D an P . B eckman Now, I ask you this question, if you will point out to 793 the Court, each individual defendant here today that you can identify as having participated in the activi ties on March the 2nd, 1961 and state specifically what each of those that you identify did which led towards the charge of breach of the peace being placed against that individual? A. Charles McDew, hack there, and the young man sitting to his left, and the one with the patch over his eye. I recognize those three. Of course, I recognize David Carter and Williams. Q. Now, then, are those all that you recognize? A. I recognize this elderly man over here. Is he one of the defendants in here? Q. What row? A. In the first row, next to the end. Q. I may be in error hut I think you have reference to Reverend Glover. A. That’s perhaps the only one. Q. The second part of my question was, Chief Beck man, if you will point out to the Court, specifically, what each of the persons you have identified did on 795 March the 2nd which led to the charge of breach of the peace against him? A. Of course, all of them were part of the overall group that participated in the general singing and stomping of the feet. Q. Specifically, can you identify each of these per sons as having stomped their feet and sung? A. I saw McDew as he was coming through the circle. Q. Tell us what McDew did? 79g A. That was shortly after Mr. McNayr gave them fifteen minutes to disperse, this group came through. 2 0 0 SUPREME COURT The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. D an F. B eckman I ’d say fifteen to twenty people in that group and I asked him if he wanted to disperse his group and go back, and I spoke to the entire group and I told them that if they didn’t go back, we would have to arrest them and charge them with breach of the peace and I had to get David— Q. Let me ask you, did McDew go back? A. No, he didn’t. Q. That’s what McDew did? The fellow with the glasses on, tell me what he did? A. He was in the group that I saw there. He was a party participant. Q. Now, I believe, Captain Beckman, you have told what Charles McDew did and you have said that you didn’t remember anything specific that Reverend Glover had done, you pointed out that you could rec ognize Anthony McFadden, he’s the one who is seated immediately to the left of Charles McDew— A. To my right? Q. Yes. Specifically, what do you recognize him as doing? A. He was a part of the over-all group that was arrested there that day. Q. George Anderson is the man with the patch on his eye. What specifically did he do? A. He was a part of the over-all group. Mr. Jenkins: No further questions. (Witness excused.) Mr. Coleman: That completes the State’s testimony, Your Honor. Mr. Jenkins: If Your Honor please, I ’d like to make a couple of motions. No. 1, we move that the charge against each of these defendants be dismissed on the ground that the State has failed to establish the c o r p u s SUPREME COURT 2 0 1 Appeal from Richland County d e l i c t i . The 2nd motion is, we move that the charge against each of the defendants present this morning and on trial here today be dismissed on the ground that the State has failed to prove a p r i m a f a c i e case. The 3rd motion for dismissal is upon the ground that by the arrest and prosecution of these defendants, each of them, the police powers of the State of South Caro lina are being used to deprive each defendant of the right of freedom of assembly and freedom of speech guaranteed to each by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and further secured to each by the equal protection and due process clauses of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitu tion, the evidence of the State showing that, at the time of their arrest, these defendants were included in a peaceful, lawful assemblage of persons, orderly in every respect upon the public streets and properties of the State of South Carolina. These are the three motions for dismissal. Mr. Coleman: If Your Honor pleases, the State op poses all three motions. Opposes, first, on the ground that there is ample evidence establishing the crime committed. There is ample evidence to establish the crime was committed by these defendants. I believe that would cover all of our objections. The Court: All three motions denied. Mr. Jenkins: At this time, may it please the Court, the defendants would like, with Your Honor’s permis sion, for the record to show that, if these defendants before the Court today, were each placed on the stand, each would testify substantially, both on direct exami nation and on cross examination, the same as the wit ness and defendant, James Jerome Kirton, testified during the trial here before Your Honor on Tuesday of this week, Tuesday, March the 13th, 1961. 2 0 2 SUPREME COURT The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. R everend B. J. Glover Mr. Coleman: The State is agreeable to that. The Court: All right. Mr. Jenkins: Further, Your Honor, on behalf of the defendants, we should like to place on the stand just two witnesses, just a short examination. Whereupon, Mr. Jenkins called R everend B. J. Glover, who, being first duly sworn, testified as fol lows : D i r e c t E x a m i n a t i o n By Mr. Jenkins: Q. You are the Reverend Benjamin J. Glover? A. That’s right. Q. Reverend Glover, I know that you do not nor mally speak very loudly, but today would you raise your voice just a little bit so we can hear you clearly? You are a defendant today? A. That’s right, sir. Q. Reverend Glover, will you tell to the Court, in your own words, what you know about the cause on March 2nd, 1961, leading to the arrest of these present defendants, your participation, if any, in the occur rence which led to your arrest, just in your own words? A. I came to Columbia accompanied by several stu dents from my area to a student meeting and, in that meeting, the students discussed, in part, racial dis crimination as existed in South Carolina and particu larly in Columbia. They also discussed the fact that the Legislators were in session, at that time, and de cided to point out their feelings, as it relates to segre gation, by a procession to the State Capitol. In that procession they walked orderly and peacefully and I feel that most of these students are peaceful, to point SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland County 203 R everend B. J. Glover out either a feeling of resentment or a feeling of that g09 relation. I followed the group— Q. May I interrupt you? Were you a part of what you characterized a procession? A. I followed the group—yes, not as a student but as a person in any advisory capacity to some of the students, who were assigned to me as their parents permitted them to come because of my company. Cer tainly I had to see that they were protected or that they followed what I felt was the reasonable rights and, in doing so, they proceeded to the Capitol and, I might say, that they walked from the place where they 810 assembled to the Capitol with no intention of being arrested or molested or of violating a law. It was my understanding, from their discussion, that this was public property and they had a right; in fact, they asked me, the students that I brought with me, and I told them that I felt that it was public property and that they had a right, as a citizen, to move in a peace ful manner and at no time, I can say to this Court, did these students that I know about, were they disorderly or acting in a boisterous manner because every one sn that I know are Christians. I knew that they would be have according to certain ethical and moral codes. The group went to the State grounds, at least through the grounds, but in the group that I followed, we were stopped by an officer stating his position and I must confess that I was never able to make a second round and many of the other who followed, and they said “around and around”, I ’ve heard it testified here that it was a continuous situation, but the officer said that this was not the thing to do and certainly I wouldn’t gl2 have done it, because on that particular day, by being arrested, and I certainly was arrested not knowing 204 SUPREME COURT The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. R everend B. J. Glover what I was arrested for, I asked the officer but I was given no particular charge, and he repeated again “You are under arrest” , and Your Honor, I certainly would have made arrangements to have been able to ride back to the jail because I walked further that day than I have in four years. I ’m not permitted to walk more than three blocks. I certainly would not have gone there with the intention of being arrested with an idea of walking that far, but I went there only as an observer with the students, as they approached the State Capitol, and I would like for the Court to know that, to my knowledge, there was no singing or demon stration, as far as overt expressions were concerned, or actions, until after the arrest was made. Q. Reverend Glover, did you pay any particular at tention to the on-lookers, who perhaps were around that area? A. Most of them, as I observed, some faces were smiling, perhaps a gesture of good faith, and on one occasion two or three persons approached with an intention of shaking hands and I believe one person was arrested on that account. Q. Did you observe any indication on the part of any bystander—- Mr. Coleman: If Your Honor please, I ask that the remark of the witness be stricken, the one that had reference to other persons be arrested because they attempted to shake hands. Mr. Jenkins: We will agree, if Your Honor, please, that that be stricken. The Court: Strike it from the record. Q. Reverend Glover, did you observe on the part of any of the by-standers any act or any conduct, which SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland County 205 R everend B. J. G-lover to your mind, brought on a possibility of bodily harm to you or any of those persons under your charge? A. I did not. Q. Did you observe any of the persons, who took part in this expression that day, that any of these de fendants who impeded, other than the use of the side walks ? A. I did not. Q. Did you observe any of them creating a bottle neck in the vehicular traffic anywhere around where they were? A. The only time that I noticed any obstruction of the traffic or the slowing up of movement, was when an officer spoke to us, either by the State or City or some person who identified himself as an officer or he wore the uniform of an officer, at that time, he stopped persons from saying something to them but the officer that stopped me stated that “You are under arrest” and, in questioning him, the groups began to come up and, if there was a congestion—however, in that par ticular instance, he stated that we must single file and the single file was to the outer side of the street, so, that, assuming that a person would be able to pass, and it certainly was not the acts of the students to vio late or to hinder the traffic. Q. You made some comment on the distance that you had walked and you had not walked that distance for some time. Would you state for what reason you have not walked? A. I ’ve been confined to the hospital with a muscu lar ailment. Q. Do you think of anything further that you would like to say with regard to the incidents on that day? 206 SUPREME COURT The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. R everend B. J. Glover A. Attorney, the only thing I could possibly say is that there was no intention in the minds of the stu dents— Mr. Coleman: If Your Honor please, I object to his stating the intentions in the minds of the students. A. There was no expression, as relates to arrest or a violation of a law, or at least the purpose for which I followed them was to show to the Legislators or other persons, with whom we might he able to converse, that there is a deep-seated resentment on this matter of racial inequalities and segregation and I felt that there was no better time or place to demonstrate it than on the Capitol, which is the center of our total policy makers. Mr. Jenkins : I have no further questions. C r o s s E x a m i n a t i o n By Mr. Coleman: Q. Reverend Glover, you walked from the Zion Bap tist Church to the State House grounds? A. I did. Q. Hid you inform any police officer about any phys ical disability of yourself? A. I did not. Q. You were there the entire period during which these students were on the State House grounds, with them? A. Yes. Q. For how long a period were they allowed to walk in and about the State House grounds ? A. I would say that it was in the area of fifteen to thirty minutes. Q. Were you directing a group or did you have a supervisory capacity over them that day? SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland County 207 R everend B. J. Glover A. No, supervisor, except for the young people I brought with me. Q. You were, though, a part of the over-all group that was conducting the demonstration? You are not a student, I understand that, but you were a part of the group, is that correct? A. Yes, I became involved. Q. Do you not think that a reasonable time was given to you and the other students in which to express whatever you wanted to express that day? A. No, I feel that a person expressing a resentment or any feeling has to be guided by his conscience. Q. How long or do you know how long you would have stayed there had there been no acts on the part of the police officers? A. That would be determined by the conscience of the group of the individual. Q. Then, you are saying that there would be no limit, is that correct ? A. Conscience always has a limit, sir. Q. What is it in your case? A. In my case— Q. As to the demonstration? A. That I am unable to tell. We did not have an opportunity to let conscience be the guide. Q. You have stated that you felt that you and the others had the right to go upon the State House grounds. Tesimony has shown that you were allowed to go on the State House grounds. Did you see any thing of the other factors which the testimony has shown were involved in this case? Such as, the gather ing of a crowd of on-lookers, the impeding of traffic on the sidewalks, the impeding of vehicular traffic on the 208 SUPREME COURT The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. R everend B. J. Clover lanes around the horseshoe and on Gervais Street, did you observe any of that? A. I did not observe any abnormal impediment un til the time that the group—it was stated that we were under arrest and the line of the procession stopped moving because of the statement made by the officer. Q. Do you remember whether or not there were any or none or many people, other than the students, in the horseshoe when you first arrived there? A. To be frank, sir, I did not notice any unusual number. Q. At that time? A. At that time. Q. Did you notice any unusual number immediately prior to the time when the arrests were made? A. When the officers stopped the group that I was following, there appeared to be individuals coming near, such as, reporters or officers, as I can remember, and perhaps civilians but the point that I would like for the Court to remember is that, as far as I was con cerned, there was no unusual congregation or persons until after the arrests were made. Q. After the arrests? All right. You have stated that you felt and the reason you went there was that every person has a right to walk in and about the State House grounds and demonstrate, is that right? A. I don’t think I used the word demonstrate. Q. What term did you use? A. I said I thought every person had the right to point out his feelings in the manner as the young peo ple were participating. Q. Do you think that that right extends to a large group of two hundred people? SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland County 209 R everend B. J. Glover A. Yes, as individuals, and I believe that the group —at least I acted as an individual because I chose to follow them. Q. You were acting in concert, were you not? A. Yes. Q. If it’s all right for a group of two hundred, would it be all right for a group of four hundred? A. It would be all right, if they acted under the same circumstances under which we acted. Q. Would it he all right for a group of ten thou sand? A. I haven’t ever assembled ten thousand. Q. You have stated what your beliefs were as to your rights, I ’m merely trying to reach the point where you think something maybe could be done to control it. Is there such a limit in your mind? A. A limit to action? Q. A limit to the number of persons which might act in concert and demonstrate on a public place? A. When you come to the truth, everybody should be convinced of the truth. Q. I didn’t understand you. A. When it comes to truth, everyone should be—it is my belief and I spend my whole life trying to advo cate truth and righteousness. Q. I ’m in favor of truth also, but that does not an swer my question. Is it your position that any number, an unlimited number of people, acting in concert, might parade in and about a public place for more than an hour without any interference, for whatever reason, would that be in violation of constitutional rights? A. Would you mind my asking just one question to clarify an answer? Q. All right. The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. R everend B. J. Glover A. Are you saying that the group demonstrated more than an hour at the Capitol? Q. Oh, no. I ’ll tie it to the exact period of time. A. That would depend on the circumstances. Q. What circumstances? A. What’s involved. Q. You say it would depend on the circumstances? What circumstances might he involved? Do you think congestion of traffic might come into it, along the pub lic streets? A. Oh, no. Q. You do not? I thank you for that answer. Do you feel that this group of students were arrested because they were Negroes only? Do you feel that there was no other reason for their arrest? You were one of the leaders, you were one of the advisers, do you feel that way? A. The only point that I could possibly see that they were arrested, I feel that there was no violation as to their rights. You would have to ask the person who signed the warrants for their arrest as to the reasons we were arrested. Q. All right. Did you know that it is a matter of common knowledge that a group of people wishing to bring the Evangelist Billy Graham to the State House grounds were refused such permission? Mr. .Tonkins : If Your Honor please, we realize this is cross examination, I dislike to interrupt counsel but the question does not seem pertinent to the issue before the Court at this time. Mr. Coleman: Normally, I would agree that it was not pertinent but throughout all of these trials there’s been innuendoes, there’s been inference, there’s been direct testimony that these people, these students were 210 SUPREME COURT ________ SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland County 2 1 1 R everend B. J. Glover arrested because they were Negroes. I see no reason why the State cannot show, if they can upon cross ex amination, that other groups, which had no identifica tion with the Negro race, have been refused repeatedly the use of the State House grounds for purposes of rallies, demonstrations or things of that sort. Mr. Jenkins: If Your Honor please, the defense has advanced no reason, to my recollection, as to why these defendants were arrested and I may further point out that in the first trial, in the series of cases, effort was made on behalf of the defense to question police offi cials with reference to a rally which took place as the result of the cancellation of the speaking engagement of Mr. Nixon and the State vehemently opposed such questioning and Your Honor ruled it as having nothing to do with the case at issue. I repeat my objection and I think we are going far afield to question this wit ness with respect to action taken by the Police Depart ment with reference to other assemblages in or about the State House grounds. Mr. Coleman: If Your Honor please, I ’d like to re mind both the Court and counsel that the defense coun sel brought out from a State witness here in this trial today testimony with regard to the Nixon speech held on the State House grounds without my objection. The Court: Objection overruled. Q. If you don’t know of it, just say so. Do you want me to repeat the question ? A. Please. Q. Do you know that it is common knowledge that a group of persons attempting to get permission to have the Evangelist Billy Graham come to Columbia and stage a rally on the State House grounds was refused! 2 1 2 The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. SUPREME COURT_________ R everend B. J. Glover A. Yes, I have that knowledge but I ’d like to add that the student procession was not classified as a rally. Q. Well, not by you. It was classified as a demon stration. Is that correct? A. Yes. Q. Do you know that it’s common knowledge that an organization, properly known as the Klu Ivlux Klan, has been refused upon many occasions the use of the State House grounds for purposes of a rally or a dem onstration or anything of that nature? A. I believe that’s true. Q. Then, with that information, how can you pos sibly conclude that this action was taken against the people merely because they were Negroes? Mr. Jenkins: If Your Honor please, I do not believe this witness has testified that this action was taken against him or any other defendant because they were Negroes. Mr. Coleman: I withdraw the question. No more question. The Court: The Court would like to get something clarified in his own mind. Reverend Glover, I sympa thize with the muscular trouble that you are having, but you testified that you were not permitted to walk but three blocks and then you testified that you had walked from Zion Baptist Church down to the Capitol Building. If I ’m not mistaken, that’s about six blocks. How did that happen, if you’re not supposed to walk but three blocks? A. Your Honor, I would like to make this statement. I intended to have stated that I have not walked more than three blocks in approximately four years. I did not say—the thing that I wanted clear was the fact SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland County 213 R everend B. J. Glover that I had been advised not to over-exercise and, dur ing that period, I had not walked more than three blocks at any continuous walking, at one time and, when I left Zion Church, I really didn’t know that the State House was that far. When I started walking, it was an opinion as to how I felt or as to whether I would continue to walk. After getting to the Capitol grounds and being arrested, I had to walk whether I wanted to or not. The Court: How many times have you been here in Columbia, Reverend Glover? A. Numbers of times. The Court: You weren’t familiar with where the Capitol Building was located with reference to Zion Church? A. No, sir. The Court: I see. Mr. Jenkins: I should like to ask the witness one question. Q. You said, Reverend Glover, that you did know something about permission being refused Billy Gra ham to hold a meeting here on the State House grounds ? A. Yes. Q. Do you know that the reason for that was that it would be an integrated meeting? A. Yes. By Mr. Coleman: Q. I believe you answered my question with regard to permission sought by the Klu Klux Klan for such a demonstration, you did know that, and it’s common knowledge that such groups have been refused per mission to use the grounds? A. Yes. The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. R everend B. J. Glover Q. Would the Kin Klux Klan have been an inte grated meeting? A. I don’t know. Q. It is common knowledge—you said it was common knowledge that the Billy Graham meeting might be integrated? A. Yes, it was. Q. Would the same apply to the Klu Klux Klan meeting ? A. No, it would not. Q. Yet they were also refused permission, is that 864 correct ? A. Yes. Mr. Coleman: Thank you. (Witness excused.) The Court: The Court will recess until 2 :30 o’clock for lunch. (Afternoon session.) Mr. Jenkins: If Your Honor pleases, the defense does not, at this time, propose to put any further witnesses on the stand. We have concluded our case other than 855 we have a few motions, at this time, that we would like to make. (At this time, the defendants move for a dismissal of the charges against them, and each of them, on the same grounds as heretofore set forth and we respect fully request that the record would show that these three motions have been made, as though set out word for word at this time. The Court: It is so ordered. (The motions are denied.) Mr. Coleman: Nothing further from the State. Mr. Jenkins: Nothing further from the defendants. The Court: Any closing remarks ? 214 SUPREME COURT SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland County 215 Mr. Jenkins: Insofar as the defendants are con cerned, we do not at this time care to make any argu ment whatsoever, following whatever ruling Your Honor may make with reference to the cases, we may have something further to say then. Mr. Coleman: The State has no argument at this time. The Court: The Court would like for all of the de fendants to stand in front of the Bench with no par ticular reference as to order. (Defendants arraigned before the Bench.) The Court: The Court finds you guilty as charged for breach of the peace. Would the attorneys like to say anything before I sentence them? Mr. Jenkins: If Your Honor please, we have been through similar trials on two occasions. The same re marks, which we have previously made, you are fa miliar with and I do not believe it is for any good purpose to further delay these proceedings, therefore, we have nothing further to say. Mr. Coleman: Nothing further. The Court: I would like for each of you defendants who have not reached your 17th birthday to please raise your hands (eight hands raised), and I want you to come over here (indicating the left side of the court room in front of Bench). What is your name? A. Delbert Leon Woods. The Court: Next, and on down the line. A. Isaac Williams, Alfred Odell Lemon, Robert Henry LaPrince, Wilbur Harrison Walker, William H. Cooley, James William Cantey, Clifford B. Bell. The Court: How old are you, Delbert Woods? A. Sixteen. The Court: Where are you from? A. Charleston. 216 SUPREME COURT The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. The Court: Do you go to school? A. Yes, sir. The Court: What school? A. Tenth rade. The Court: Next one. What grade are you? A. Tenth rade. The Court: Where do you go to school? A. Charleston. The Court: Your name is what? A. Isaac Williams. The Court: Next? A. I ’m sixteen, Tenth Grade, Sterling High School, Greenville, Alfred Odell Lemon. The Court: Next. A. Robert LaPrince, Kirk High School, Charleston. 16 years old. The Court: Next. A. Sixteen, Tenth Grade, Greenville, South Carolina. Wilbur Harrison Walker. The Court: Next. A. Sixteen, Eleventh Grade, Greenville, South Caro lina, William Cooley. The Court: Next. A. James William Cantey, Sixteen, Eleventh Grade, Columbia. The Court: Next. A. Clifford Bell, Sixteen, Senior, Mathis Academy. The Court: I have given considerable thought to the matters of young people working, young people vio lating the laws and I have devoted most of my life try ing to help and trying to lead them in the right direc tion. Regardless of any we may do something or why we may be led into something is only something that you in your own heart can justify. The Court certainly is going to take notice of the fact that you are not just SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland County 217 minors, but you are really children. Some day you will grow up to be a grown man and have problems that we, ourselves, are faced with right now. I just hope that when you become a man that you won’t use children to fight your battles or my battles, as you have been used. The Court fines each one of you eight the minimum under the law, $10.00 or five days in jail. Now, if you eight will sit down over there, we can proceed. Next, I would like for the defendants from seven teen up to twenty-one years old to stand over on this side. (Defendants line up as directed.) The Court: None of you have reached your twenty- first birthday? A. No. (In unison.) The Court: What is your name? A. Anthony McFadden. The Court: Your name? A. Clifford James Rice. The Court: Next— A. Sinclair Salters. A. Hezikah Johnson. A. James Allen Carter. A. Thomas D. Hornsby. A. Henry Williams. A. Maxine Epps. A. Frank E. Gore. A. George A. Anderson. rA.. Arthur Whitfield Stanley, Jr. A. Earl Peters, Jr. A. Wendell Dailey. The Court: To each of you thirteen defendants, the sentence of the Court is $100.00 or thirty days in jail. I ’m going to suspend half of that upon payment of a $50.00 fine. Take your seats, please. 218 The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. _________ SUPREME COURT________ Mr. Jenkins: In his absence, William from Camden, 17 years of age; also James Clyburn, I do not know his age but I understand he is less than twenty-one; he is twenty years of age. He, also, is one of those tried in his absence. The Court: All right. Mr. Jenkins: I ’m just wondering whether or not the sentence you have meted out to these others applied, as far as these two persons are concerned, pending your checking their ages? The Court: That’s right. It certainly will. For the other thirteen defendants, the Court has absolutely no sympathy because each one of you are grown men, who have led children to the point where now they have a record, a police record. To get children to fight your battles and my battles is unheard of in a decent civili zation. The Court fines each one of you $100.00 or thirty days in County Jail. Mr. Jenkins: If Your Honor please, at this time, on behalf of all of the defendants, we move for arrest of judgment or, in the alternative, for a new trial based upon the motions made previously for a dismissal of the actions and we respectfully request that rather than spelling them out word for word, at this time, that the record will show the same as though we had re peated those motions again. The Court: The records will show that. (Motions denied.) Mr. Jenkins: Now, then, at this time, if the Court pleases, we serve notice of intention to appeal within the statutory time. We will file with the Court written notice along with exceptions. We would further re- SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland County 219 quest that the Court would set appeal bonds in each case. The Court: The appeal bond for each one that has just been tried and found guilty will be $100.00. The Court would like, before we adjourn, to say, with reference to the young people under twenty-one, it is customary with me, if they come back before me the second time, it would show that they have a complete disregard for the law and justice as we know it, and the Court will not look upon their age as a factor with any future sentences you might have. Mr. Jenkins: That’s all, Your Honor. The Court: The court will be adjourned until Mon day, March the 27th, when we will try the remaining 137 defendants who are charged in this particular ease. (Court adjourned.) I hearby certify that the foregoing is a true and cor rect transcript of the notes of testimony taken by me at the hearing of the above cause. E leanor S. Mackey, Reporter. TRANSCRIPT OP TESTIMONY Before Honorable Prank Powell, Magistrate, on Monday, March 27, 1961, Court Room at Columbia Police Headquarters, Columbia, South Carolina. A p p e a r a n c e s : For the State: J. C. Coleman, Esq. For the Defendants: Lincoln C. Jenkins, Jr., Esq., Matthew J. Perry, Esq., Donald James Sampson, Esq. The Court: I would like to announce the rules of the Court. There will be no pictures taken within the court- 2 2 0 SUPBEME COUBT The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. room at any time, of any type. As many people who like may attend the hearing this morning, if they have a seat, but no one will be allowed to stand up around the walls. Any outburst of any type will not be tolera ted and the court will take into consideration, if this happens, that the members present will be in contempt of court. The Court has before it a warrant charging the following persons with the crime of breach of the peace: Mr. Perry: May it please the Court, I wonder if it wouldn’t expedite matters to have the defendants stand and indicate whether they are present as you read the names. The Court: Yes. As I call out the names, as each name is called, will you stand up and indicate whether you are here or not. Answer “Present” loud and clear when you stand up. Betty Jean Capers—Present. Minnie DeWitt—Present. Dorris D. Wright—Present. Dee Anne Anderson—Present. Mary Norris—Present. Bhunett Lindsey—Present. Juanita Hall—Present. Bettie Jean King—Present. Benzer Inabinett—Present. Carrie May Kelly—Present. Hazel Yvonne Newberry—Present. Betty Jean Lindsay—Present. Sarah Elizabeth McKenzie—Present. Mattie Thomas—Present. Queen Ester Bush—Present. Choncie Mae Drayton—Present. SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland County 2 2 1 Ottie Ruth Jarrott—Present. Dorothy Helen Robinson—Present. Mary Louise English—Present. Willie Oma Jamison—Present. Bobbie Jeane Giles—Present. Irene O’Neal Giles—Present. Felicia Yvonne Young—Present. Leola Clements—Present. Gertrude Smith—Present. Katherine Duncan—Present. Marion Jeanette Johnson—Absent. Jeanette Louise Hartwell—Present. Mary Elizabeth Ellison—Present. Junius Leverne Reed—Present. James K. Davis—Present. Leonard Lewis McCants—Present. Mario Davis—Present. Sammie Pringle—Present. Clinton Warren Hazzard—Present. Robert McTeer—Present. James Kenneth Alford—Present. Gwendolyn Watson—Present. Yvonne Redd—Present. Frances McDaniel—Present. John Land—Present. Hallain Sizer—Present. Kate Lewis—Present. Willie Evelyn Grant—Present. Frances Elizabeth Johnson—Present. Evelyn Bing—Present. Shirley Ann King—Present. Alethia Brown—Present. Rebecca Williams—Present. Mary Doe—Present. 222 SUPREME COURT The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. Albertine Myrtis Coney—Present. Yvonne J. Goodloe—Present. Brenda Janet Burton—Present. Barbara Ann Mack—Present. Judith Delores Smith—Absent. Emma Jean Jones—Present. Evelyn L. Robinson—Present. Julius Duke Moses—Present. Janet Louise Black—Present. Juanita Waddell—Present. Justine Simmons—Present. Bettye Jean Machack—Present. Mattie M. Giles—Present. Annette Edwards—Present. Betty Jean Wilson—Present. Amanda Townsend—Present. Novel Nowlin—Present. Barbara Early—Present. Louvenia Griggs—Present. Gertrude Evans—Present. Shirley A. Greene—Present. Annie Mae Ray—Present. Loretta Gertrude Bush—Present. Bettie Jean Brown—Present. Gloria Jean Jefferson—Present. Rosalee Hines—Present. Edith Jenkins—Present. Florence Smalls—Present. Mary Lou Sullivan—Present. Rae L. Jones—Present. Lucy Davis—Present. Jenny Lou Davis—Present. Myrtle L. Walker—Present. Patricia Green—Present. SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland County 223 Frederick E. Hart—Absent. Margaret A. McCray—Present. Rupert Hickman—Present. Herbert Lawrence Wilson—Present. Bernard Haire—Present. Leon Bryant—Present. Donald Jerome Salters—Present. Frederick Paul Padgett—Present. Robert Lee McBeth—Present. Louie Lighty-—Absent. Mr. Jenkins: Louie Lighty is the one who had to report to his Draft Board this morning. The Court: Floyd Alvin Gilmore—Present. McArthur Juke Bishop—Present. Charlie Flemming—Present. Joe Louis Robinson—Present. John Josiah Campbell—Present. I. D. Newman—Present. Harold Foster—Absent. Mr. Perry: Harold Foster is from Spartanburg and I think he is on a trip from his school, either in Wash ington or New York. The Court: Jimmy Norz Moore—Present. Jessie Alfreda Lockhart—-Present. Barbara Ann Cureton—Present. Sarah Ann Wharton—Present. Dianne Gwendolyn Blassingame—Present. Sophia Pearl Lester—Present. Laverne Durant—Present. Bettye Jean Wideman—Present. William T. Robinson—Present. William Theodore Boggs—Present. 224 SUPREME COURT The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. Henry Earl Thomas—Present. James Edward Coleman—Present. Bernard Nathaniel Riggins—Present. Horace Nash—Present. John Wesley Miller-—Present. Mark A. Williams—Present. Clarence Missouri—Present. Carl Edward Brook—Present. Classie R. Walker-—Present. Robbie Jean Young—Present. Regina Shirley Ann Caldwell—Present. Bookertee McLeod—Present. Claude E. Moore—Present. John I. Witherspoon—Present. Matthew Williams—Present. Harold Bardonville—Present. Travis Simon—Present. Shellie Stroman—Present. Willie Paul Worthy—Present. Robert Ferguson—Present. ,Albert Orage—Present. John Sawyer—Present. Glenn Manning—Present. Kennedy Claflin—Present. John Frederick—Present. Bobby D. Doctor—Present. The Court: Defendants be seated. Are these per sons represented by counsel? Mr. Jenkins: They are all represented by counsel. The Court: How about Frederick Hart? Is he repre sented by counsel? Mr. Jenkins: He is not represented by counsel here. The Court: (To Bailiff) Go outside and cry out his name three times and report back to me. SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland County 225 Mr. Jenkins: If Your Honor please, the following defendants, while not physically present in court this morning are present by counsel: Dee Anne Anderson, Marion Jeanette Johnson, Judith Delores Smith, Louie Eighty, Harold Foster, Paul Doctor, and it is agreed that these persons, though absent, are represented by counsel and will be bound by whatever rules and de cisions are made by the Court this morning. The Court: Mr. Bailiff? Bailiff: No response, Your Honor. The Court: The Court would like to have it in the record that attempt has been made, the Bailiff cried out the name of Frederick Hart three times outside of the courtroom; he is not present and is not represented by an attorney. The Court has also written the father of this hoy last week informing him, as a courtesy, of the hearing to be held here this morning at 1 0 : 0 0 o’ clock, to which the Court did not receive a reply. The Court will try Frederick E. Hart in his absence this morning. Mr. Coleman: If Your Honor please, may we move to sever the trial of Frederick Hart? Mr. Jenkins: We will so agree, and we would ask that the record show that the defendant Hart will be severed from the other defendants in the trial this morning. The Court: It is agreed. Without the necessity of going back and calling out the names of each one of you, whom I have just called out, each one of the one hundred and thirty and some odd, who was present be fore me now, you have been charged on a warrant, to- wit: “Personally appeared before me, Frank Powell, Magistrate of the said County and said State, L. J. Campbell who, being duly sworn, says that Bookertee 226 SUPREME COURT The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. McLeod, Pauline Moore and others, before me now, at Columbia, South Carolina, on March 2nd, 1961 on the 901 State Capitol Grounds and on adjacent sidewalks and streets did commit a breach of the peace in that they, together with a large group of people, did assemble, impede the normal traffic, sing and parade with pla cards, failed to disperse upon lawful orders of police officers, all of which tended directly to immediate vio lence and breach of the peace in view of existing condi tions. Signed, L. J. Campbell. Sworn to before me this 2nd day of March, 1961. Frank Powell, Columbia Mag istrate.” The Court also would like it entered into the 902 record that each one of you on March the 2nd, when the warrants were taken out, was read the charge indi vidually by me to you, including those who are absent today, Frederick E. Hart and others. Are you the persons just called and were you re leased on bond on a charge of the breach of the peace to appear in court today? Mr. Perry: The defendants will answer that question in the affirmative by counsel. The Court: How do you plead? 903 Mr. Perry: Each of the defendants pleads Not Guilty. The Court: Is the defense ready for trial? Mr. Perry: The defense is ready. The Court: Is the State ready for trial? Mr. Coleman: The State is ready. Your Honor, at this time, I wish to announce to the Court that counsel for the defendants and counsel for the State has stipu lated, if it please the Court to accept such stipulation, that the testimony, which would be offered here today 904 and the witnesses who would appear here today, are the same witnesses that have appeared in a trial in SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland County 227 your Court last March the 16th. If Your Honor please, may I look at the docket? The Court: Yes. Mr. Coleman: That trial being entitled State against James C. West, Sinclair Salters, Hezikah Johnson, James Clyburn, William Moultrie, David Carter, Ben jamin James Glover, Samuel S. Williams, Arthur W. Stanley, Jr., Wendell Dailey, Lennie William Glover, Samuel Edwards, David Lawrence Perrett, James Allen Carter, Clifford James Rice, Delbert Leon Woods, Alfred Odell Lemon, Wilbur Harrison Walker, James W. Cantey, Isaac W. Williams, Clifford B. Bell, William H. Cooley, Robert Henry LaPrince, Frank E. Gore, Earl Peters, Jr., Henry H. Harris, Charles R. Miller, Charles McDew, Maxine Epps, Henry Williams, Leroy Hogans, Jimmy Lee Smith, James Reeder, Jr., George Allen Anderson, Thomas D. Hornsby, Anthony McFadden, being the intention of counsel to stipulate that the same witnesses for both the State and the de fense would be presented here today and that the evi dence given by those same witnesses at the trial pre viously identified, which took place in your court last March the 16th, would be substantially the same if they were presented here today, including testimony by Chief Campbell, that the names appearing on the warrants, which you have just read, were the names given to the Police Station here in Columbia by per sons who were engaged in certain demonstrations on the State House Grounds last March the 2nd and who were arrested on charge of breach of the peace that day. The State is also stipulating that recognizance bonds posted for these defendants would be offered in evidence and will be placed in evidence by stipulation. 228 SUPREME COURT The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. Mr. Perry: May it please the Court, the defendants will agree to the stipulation as stated by counsel for the State, with the exception that the defendants would like also to have the testimony, which was received by the Court in the very first trial, the date of which has escaped me at this moment, wherever it is deemed ap plicable to be considered, also as a part of this stipu lation. In other words, I understand that we have had three trials and where applicable the testimony which was offered in all of the preceding trials would be in cluded in the stipulation, which has just been stated. Mr. Coleman: That’s agreed. The Court: The Court agrees and it is so ordered. Mr. Perry: Particularly emphasizing each of the preceding trial as a part of that stipulation. Mr. Coleman: It is agreed. Mr. Perry: At this time, may it please the Court, the defendants respectfully move for a dismissal of the cases pending against them upon all the grounds pre viously noted in the several trials, which have been held before Your Honor. We will omit any argument on those motions and we ask that you consider them and make ruling on them at this time. Mr. Coleman: The State opposes the motions upon the same grounds as was set forth in previous trials. The Court: Motions denied. Mr. Perry: At this time, may it please the Court, the defendants offer to stipulate that if they offer evidence in this trial, that the testimony, which was adduced in the two previous trials, to wit: the trial on March 13th and the trial on March 16h, which was held before Your Honor, that the testimony, which would be presented on behalf of the defendants, would be substantially the SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland County- 229 same as was the testimony offered in the trials of March 13 and March 16. Mr. Coleman: We agree. The Court: It is so ordered. Mr. Perry: The defendants hereupon renew all mo tions for dismissal upon the same grounds as pre viously noted. Mr. Coleman: The Sate opposes the motions upon the same grounds. The Court: Motions denied. Mr. Perry: Your Honor, I believe you will see fit at this time to make your findings. The Court: The Court will have a five minute recess and I’d like for the State’s attorney and the defense at torneys to come back in the Chambers. (Recess.) The Court: The Court finds each one of you guilty as charged with the crime of breach of the peace. The Court wants each person who has not as yet reached his Seventeenth birthday to stand. Horace Nash, Judith Smith—- Mr. Perry: She’s absent. The Court: Emma Jean Jones, Katherine Duncan, Jessie Lockhart, Barbara Ann Cureton, Sarah Ann Wharton, Dianne Blasingame, Brenda Janet Burton, F. P. Padgett, James Alford, Carl E. Brooks, Rebecca Williams, Leonard McCants. The sentence of the Court to each of you standing here and for the one absent— the Court has taken into consideration your youth this time—and is going to fine you the minimum under the law, $1 0 . 0 0 or five days in jail. I want to caution you now, however, if you should come back before this court again, that your youth will not be taken into con sideration. Be seated. 230 SUPREME COURT The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. All of those who are twenty-one years or older stand: Patricia Green—this is those who were twenty- one as of March 2nd of this year—Barbara Giles, John Campbell, DeQuincy Newman, Clarence Missouri, Al bert Orage, Mattie Thomas, Harold Bardonville, Jr., Herbert Wilson, Rupert Hickman, Matthew Williams, John Frederick, John Land, Shellie Stroman, Booker- tee McLeod, Donald Jerome Salters, Evelyn Robinson, Barbara Early, Betty Jean Mashack, Irene O’Neal Giles. The Court will check the ages of each one of you, the twenty, I believe, that have just stood up. For you twenty, the Court has absolutely no sympathy what ever. The Court sentences you to $100.00 fine or thirty days in jail. Be seated. The remainder of you stand up. To each of you, the Court sentences you to $100.00 fine or thirty days in jail. I ’m going to suspend half of that on a payment of a fine of $50.00. To each one of you, I repeat, that, if you should come back before this Court on any mat ter, your youth will not be taken into consideration and the Court cannot emphasize enough the fact that once you reach twenty-one years old, whether you intend it or not, you become a man and a woman in the State of South Carolina and must accept the responsibilities of a man and a woman. There’s a law in the State of South Carolina that no person over twenty-one can in terfere whatsoever with a child or a minor, which is under twenty-one years old, if that minor or any law is violated. I hope that you will take this into con sideration and realize the seriousness of how close some of you came to getting into very serious trouble. Mr. Perry: May it please the Court, at this time the defendants all move for arrest of judgment or in its alternative for a new trial. This motion is based upon SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland County 231 all grounds previously noted in the several motions for dismissal in former trials. I will omit any argument thereon. Mr. Coleman: If Your Honor please, the State op poses the motion upon the grounds set forth in the pre vious trials. The Court: Motion denied. Mr. Perry: At this time, the defendants give verbal notice of appeal. We will serve the written notice with in the time required by statute and we ask that the Court set an appeal bond. The Court: The appeal bond for each one that was 922 tried today will be $1 0 0 .0 0 . The Court will now go into the case of Frederick E. Hart. Mr. Jenkins: May it please the Court before that trial, I should like to say to all of the defendants here, with the Court’s permission, will you please remain in here until we dismiss you because you will have to sign appeal bonds. I wonder if there could be some notation made by the Reporter that the trial of Fred erick Hart will be a separate trial from a procedural 923 standpoint. The Court: The Frederick Hart case will not be in cluded with the other cases. Trial of above case closed. I hereby certify that the foregoing is a true and correct transcript of the notes of testimony taken by me at the hearing of the above cause. E leanor S. Mackey, Reporter. 924 232 SUPREME COURT The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. ORDER This is an appeal from conviction in magistrate’s court of the common law crime of breach of the peace. There are almost 200 appellants, who were convicted by the magistrate, City of Columbia, Richland County, in four trials, trial by jury having been waived by the appellants in each case. By stipulation between coun sel for the appellants and the counsel for the State, the appeals will be treated here as one since the facts and applicable law were substantially the same in each case. The trial Magistrate imposed fines upon each of 914 the appellants ranging from $10.00 to $100.00. Due and timely notice of appeal from conviction was served and oral arguments were heard before me in open court. At my suggestion and with the agreement of counsel for both sides, written briefs were filed. The appellants except to the finding of the Magis trate’s Court and the fines imposed as a result of such finding of guilt upon the grounds that the State by the evidence failed to establish the c o r p t i s d e l i c t i , that the State failed to prove a p r i m a f a c i e case, that the 927 evidence showed that the police powers of the State of South Carolina were used against the appellants to deprive them of the right of freedom of speech guar anteed by the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of South Carolina, and that the evi dence presented before the Magistrate showed only that the appellants at the time of their arrests were engaged in a peaceful and lawful assemblage of per sons, orderly in every respect upon the public streets of the State of South Carolina. Testimony before the Magistrate sets out the fol- 928 lowing series of events which culminated in the arrest of the appellants and the issuance of warrants charg- SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland County 233 ing them with breach of the peace. Shortly before noon on the third day of March, 1961, the appellants, acting in concert and with what appeared to be a preconceived and definite plan, proceeded on foot along public side walks from Zion Baptist Church in the City of Co lumbia to the State House grounds, a distance of ap proximately six city blocks. They walked in groups of twelve to fifteen each, the groups being separated by a few feet. Testimony shows that the purpose of this assemblage and movement of students was to walk in and about the grounds of the State House protest ing, partly by the use of numerous placards, against the segregation laws of this State. The General Assem bly was in session at the time. Upon their approach to an area in front of and im mediately adjacent to the State House building, known as the “horseshoe”, the Negro students were met by police authorities of the State and the City of Colum bia. After brief conversation between the leader of the students and police officers, the students proceeded to walk in and about the State House grounds displaying placards, some of which, at least, might be termed in flammatory in nature. There is some evidence also that a few groups of students were singing during this period. Such activity continued for approximately 45 minutes during which the students met with no inter ference from anyone. Testimony from city and state authorities was to the effect that during this period of time, while the students were marching in and about the grounds without hindrance from officers, large num bers of onlookers, evidently attracted by the activity of the students, had gathered in the “horseshoe” area, entirely blocking the vehicular traffic lane and inter fering materially with the movement of pedestrian traffic on the sidewalks in the area and on city side- 234 The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. SUPREME COURT________ walks immediately adjacent. Testimony of city and state authorities was that vehicular traffic on the busy downtown streets of Gervais and Main, one running alongside the grounds and the other “dead-ending” at the State House, was noticeably and adversely affected by the large assemblage of students and onlookers which had filled the “horseshoe” area and overflowed into Gervais and Main Streets. Some testimony dis closed that in and about the “horseshoe” area it was necessary for the police to issue increasingly frequent orders to keep pedestrian traffic moving, even at a slow rate. The Chief of Police of the City of Columbia and the City Manager of the City of Columbia testified that they recognized in the crowd of onlookers persons whom they knew to be potential troublemakers. It was at this time that the police authorities decided that the situation had become potentially dangerous and that the activities of the students should be stopped. The recognized and admitted leader of the students was approached by city authorities and informed that the activities of the students had created a situation which in the opinion of the officers was potentially dangerous and that such activities should cease in the interest of the public peace and safety. The students were told through their leader that they must disperse in 15 min utes. The leader of the students, accompanied by the City Manager of Columbia, went from one group of students to the other, informing them of the decision and orders of the police authorities. The City Manager testified that the leader of the students refused to instruct or advise them to desist and disperse but that instead he “harangued” the stu dents, whipping them into what was described by the City Manager as a semi-religious fervor. He testified SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland County 235 that the students, in response to the so-called harangue by their leader, began to sing, clap their hands and ^ stamp their feet, refusing to stop the activity in which they were engaged and refusing to disperse. After 15 minutes of this activity the students were arrested by state and city officers and were charged with the crime of breach of the peace. With regard to the position taken by the appellants that their activities in the circumstances set forth did not constitute a crime, the attention of the Court has been directed to several of our South Carolina cases upon this point, one of them being the case of S t a t e v . L a n g s t o n , 195 S. C. 190, 11 S. E. (2d) 1. The defend- 988 ant in that case was a member of a religious sect known as Jehovah’s Witnesses. He, with others, went on a Sunday to the homes of other persons in the com munity and played records on the porches announcing his religious beliefs to anyone who would listen. He also employed a loud speaker mounted on a motor ve hicle to go about the streets for the same purpose. Crowds of persons were attracted by this activity. No violence of any kind occurred. Upon his refusal to obey orders of police officers to cease such activity, the de- 939 fendant was arrested and convicted for breach of the peace. The Court in upholding the conviction said: “It certainly cannot be said that there is not in this State an absolute freedom of religion. A man may believe what kind of religion he pleases or no religion, and as long as he practices his belief without a breach of the peace, he will not be dis turbed. “In general terms, a breach of the peace is a violation of public order, the disturbance of public tranquility, by any act or conduct inciting to vio lence. 236 SUPREME COURT The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. “ It is not necessary that the peace be actually broken to lay the foundation of prosecution for this offense. If what is done is unjustifiable, tend ing with sufficient directness to break the peace, no more is required.” With further reference to the argument advanced by the appellants that they had a constitutional right to engage in the activities for which they were eventually charged with the crime of breach of the peace, regard less of the situation which was apparently created as a result of such activities, this Court takes notice of the New York State case of P e o p l e v . F e i n e r , 300 N. Y. 391, 91 N. E. (2d) 319. In that case the Court of Ap peals of the State of New York wrote an exhaustive opinion in a case which arose in that State in 1950, the factual situation being similar in many respects to the cases presently before this Court upon appeal. Feiner, a University student, stationed himself upon one of the city streets of the City of Syracuse and pro ceeded to address his remarks to all those who would listen. The general tenor of his talk was designed to arouse Negro people to fight for equal rights, which he told them they did not have. Crowds attracted by Feiner began to fill up the sidewalks and overflow into the street. There was no disorder, but in the opinion of police authorities there was real danger of a dis turbance of public order or breach of the peace. Feiner was requested by police to desist. He refused. The ar rest was then made and Feiner was charged and con victed of disorderly conduct. In upholding the conviction, the New York Court quoting from C a n t w e l l v . S t a t e o f C o n n e c t i c u t , 310 U. S. 296, 60 S. Ct. 900, 84 L. Ed. 1213, 128 A. L. R. 1352, said: SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland County 237 “The offense known as breach of the peace em braces a great variety of conduct destroying or menacing public order and tranquility. It includes not only violent acts, but acts and words likely to produce violence in others. No one would have the hardihood to suggest that the principle of free dom of speech sanctions incitement to riot or that religious liberty connotes the privilege to exhort others to physical attack upon those belonging to another sect. When clear and present danger of riot, disorder, interference with traffic upon the public streets or other immediate threat to public safety, peace or order appears, the power of the State to prevent or punish is obvious.” The appellants in the present case have emphasized repeatedly in the trials and in their arguments before the Court and in their Brief that no one of them indi vidually committed any single act which was a viola tion of law. It is their contention that they had a right to assemble and act as they did so long as they did no other act which was in itself unlawful. Apparently they reject the proposition that an act which is lawful in some circumstances might be unlawful in others. The New York Court in answering a similar contention made by the defendant in the F e i n e r c a s e said: “We are well aware of the caution with which the courts should proceed in these matters. The intolerance of a hostile audience may not in the name of order be permitted to silence unpopular opinions. The Constitution does not discriminate between those who ideas are popular and those whose beliefs arouse opposition or dislike or hatred—guaranteeing the right of freedom of speech to the former and withholding it from the latter. We recognize, however, that the State must 238 SUPREME COURT The State v. James Edwards, Jr. et al. protect and preserve its existence and unfortunate as it may be, the hostility and intolerance of street audiences and the substantive evils which may fol low therefrom are practical facts of which the Courts and the law enforcement officers of the State must take notice. Where, as here, we have a combination of an aroused audience divided into hostile camps, an interference with traffic and a speaker who is deliberately agitating and goading the crowd and the police officers to action, we think a proper case has been made out under our State and Federal Constitutions for punishment.” In the present case the appellants were not pre vented from engaging in their demonstration for a period of approximately an hour, nor were they hin dered in any way. After such activity had gone on for approximately 45 minutes, police officers saw that streets and sidewalks had been blocked by a combina tion of students and a crowd of 200 or 300 onlookers which had been attracted by their activities. They rec ognized potential troublemakers in the crowd of on lookers which was increasing by the minute. State and city authorities testified that in their opinions the sit uation which had been created by the students had reached a point where it was potentially dangerous to the peace of the community. Instead of taking pre cipitous action even at this point, police authorities ordered the students to cease their activities and dis perse, giving them the reasons for such order. The stu dents were told that they must cease their activities in 15 minutes. The students refused to desist or to dis perse. There is no indication whatever in this case that the acts of the police officers were taken as a subterfuge or excuse for the suppression of the ap pellants’ views and opinions. The evidence is clear that SUPREME COURT Appeal from Richland County 239 the officers were motivated solely by a proper concern for the preservation of order and the protection of the general welfare in the face of an actual interference with traffic and an imminently threatened disturbance of the peace of the community. Petitioning through the orderly procedures of the Courts for the protection of any rights, either invaded or denied, has been followed by the American people for many years. It is the proper and the correct course to pursue if one is sincerely seeking relief from op pression or denial of rights. While it is a constitutional right to assemble in a hall to espouse any cause, no person has a right to organize demonstrations which '"A any ordinary and reasonable thinking citizen knows or reasonably should know would stir up passions and create incidents of disorder. The State of South Carolina, the City of Columbia, and the County of Richland in the exercise of their general police powers of necessity have the authority to act in situations such as are detailed in the evidence in these cases and if the conduct of their duly appointed officers of the law is not arbitrary, capricious and the result of prejudice hut is founded upon clear, convinc- 965 ing and common sense reasoning, there is no denial of any right. All exceptions of the appellants are overruled and the convictions and sentences are affirmed. / s / L egare B ates, Senior Judge, Richland Cormty Court. Columbia, South Carolina, July 10th, 1961. 966