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June 17, 1987

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Case Files, Thornburg v. Gingles Working Files - Guinier. Copy of Congressional Record for the Senate (S 6785-6786), 1982. 58eafc47-dc92-ee11-be37-6045bdeb8873. LDF Archives, Thurgood Marshall Institute. https://ldfrecollection.org/archives/archives-search/archives-item/bde81a46-c927-463f-81ff-760b2000da25/copy-of-congressional-record-for-the-senate-s-6785-6786. Accessed April 06, 2025.
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15; 1982 ttry request, t caY to mY lrlend lnom trth carolltre' lB thst now, hevtng cloture. and notslthrtandtng 't[c provtBlons ol nrle ]EXII whlch al' locrt€ 100 hours lor debate-thrt lr to an hour for each Eenetor, Postclo' hrre, plus certaln other arrange' nentr-we go dlrectlY to the vote on ' the motlon to procee4 so tJut we cBn ;' Drooeed wlth the btll. Ur. lrFr.Ms. Mr. Presldent, re8et3' lng the rlght to object. I thtnl tho te' cueet Uy the dtrtlnguLebed lnrlorlty [caaer mey be prcmture. I heve to' object Tbe PRESIDINC OEFTCER. ObJEE tlon ls heard Mr. BAKER. Mr. Presldent' I lutlY understar.td the posltlon ol the Sena' tor lrom North Carollne' but I do hope that sometlme today. before thLs aey k out, we can exhaust the rematn' lns OeUate on the motlon to Proceed ana ttrat we maY be sble to get to the bIIL So I say to qY lrtend from North Carollna that later ln the day' I should ltke to dlscuss thls matter wlth htrn and perhaps renew that request, Mr. HELIVIS. Mr. Presldent' wlll the Senator yleld? Mr. BAKER. I Yteld. Mr. HELMS. I thank the Senator. The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senate wtll be ln order. Those Sena' tors wlshtng to converse wlll please retlre to the cloakroom. It would be nuch easler to hear what the Senator from North Carollna has to saY. Mr. rrE:rMS. Mr. Eesldent, I ssy tO the dlsttngulshed malorlty leader that ln all the ttme uP to now, I have.con' runed less than 25 mlnut€& I s8y to the Senate agBln, as I bevc nld iarller, and I ssy to qv lrlend lrom Tennessee ttrat ll we could work out some accornmodatlod on a couple of *mendments aud have gome assur' ence that there would not be lntracts' bllty, I would be wllllng to vote at 5 o'clock thts afternoon" But I have ex' plored that posslblUty, I know thet the dtstlngutshed majorlty leeder has explored that posslbtllty' and we 8eem to have made no headweY. So I thlnt perhaps lt would be well, ln vlew ol the nature of the leglslatloq ll we dls' cussed lt a llttle. Ilowever, I want gls mr,lorltf leader to know that. ll therc ca'n be e llttlc gilve and teke on both slde!, t wlll glve and I wlll take. Mr. BAreR.I thanf the Senator. Mr. Plestdent, I heve nothlng fur' ther. l,tr.STEVENS. Mr. Presldent, whlle lt rould mgke no dfffertnce ln tems ol the hun&ed hours-thrt ls, a llmlta' tlon on the proposed cloture ptrooe' dure-I polnt out thet eech Senator lg at llberty to yleld back the tlme th8t would be allocated to thet Senetor under the postcloture procedure, and tt ts my hopc thet some wlll proceed to do so. Mr. EAIlll,Y F. BY:Rf,r, JR- l[r. hesldent" the Judlclil? Commlttce ro. cently reported e blll 8. 199& whtch Ject to Federal dlctet€o untll the year Thc lundarnental obsenatlon ls that the 200?, or neerly e hell century slnce resultr t€st har obsolutelv no coherent or the inectment ol the orleilnsl leglsla' under8trndable rneanlng bevond the rlnple ai;LltGtotattyunreasoniUte. notlon ol proportlonsl.reprerentstlon bv i wfU retterite wtra[--i trevc cetd race, howcver vehcmentlv ltr Droponenta naniTrnes ln tht! cueiuei-rirc prd denv thtr cfeaitice piovtslons ot-ltre Vollng lfr. Presldent. proportlonal repre' nigntr - ec[ constttut - unwarantea gentatlon would rgbvert the ltrnde' eiil-unreesonable Flderel lntewentlon mental precept thEt t!e- tndtvtduel- U IfiCeiectoret processe ol the gtater not-raclal, ethnlc or-rellglous groups- Not content to dnpl, cxtcnd thls tcellwtem" miaaresone ana oniriua provtslon, I belteve tt tr vltelly lnnortant thet [trltgbusC-paseed e bl11 rfuch ebd, our polltlcel !y!!€m'-whlch r3ller on ahe;1CA ip6rna^nent Drovldon ol the brocd consensus-bufldlng' not become act, -te"ttoir. Z. nre -eltcct of thts prey to narmw facttoneusm based on chinle ls to allow prlvatc votlng rlghtr rece. suttr and to lnvlte lurther lnterlerence Ttre cubcommlttee heald astute tea' by the courts ln loce,l electtons. tlnony to thla - no-lnt. from Prol.-For t? yean,.rectlon 2 bas gtood al Edward Eler ol the Natlonal Euman- an unconlroveiaat eoaftcetlon ol the ltles Center. Ee sgld: ftfteen emenfuent of- the Conatltu- Notlrlng oould bc morc.tlro to ttro Atncrl- tlon, whlch lorblds lurMlctlons lrom can poUttcel tndltlon tbrn thc ldet ol pro- CONGRESSIONAL'RECORD - SENATE s 6786' . would extind tor 36 yeerg the burden. denylns anyone ttre-rlght to vote on uitruUi tata upon i lcw Stateq ln'- account ol race or color' frdhC-VirstndUi tne pass3ge oi tne T11c US. Supreme Court.has ruled VJGi'n[Utr elt 6f fSeb. - that to prove a vloletlon-of thc law. lt- rtrf votrns R.lshE Act eppuea to must be chown that c local electlon o"ri-ntiri-SEtcs'-3nd parts bi a lew procedure ras edopted wlth the [rtent othlr* to dlscrlmlnate.- a- li+uea . eompronlsc wll sp- More spccltlcally, the court held' ln proved Ui.ttre .nrd6ery Commtttce ttr landmArk ru[ng $ clty of Moblle- ina inaoncC ty lffiaerit tcagun BCBlnst Bolden, that ln areas wlthout -f6r. 1aincal & lgg2 13 [r lact no e hlstory ol dtscrlmtnetlon, cour;man' cdf;rod"e et atU ft would DemetuBte dst€d chanses tn electlon laq's arQ war' ttre -unf[ precteerance pr6vtitoru of ranted only when 8n lqtent to dls' the ortglnal- act tor rnother qusrter' crhfnate Is proven. century. enO tnrougtr the 'iresults Indeed, provlng tntent ls central to tecf; ti secttoh 2, thCbg would open many, 11 not most, court proceedlngs, ifrC aoor to the *rntctous doctrtre ol whether they bc crlmlnal or clvll. proporttonal repreaentetlon. Nonetheless, clvll rtchts Sxoupg- fir|g bttl lor the ftrst tlme frtroduces ergue that unequal results-nnmely, e quota system to Anerlcan pollttcs. the electton of mtnortty candldates ln ani tt tays tne loundatlon for the po- disproportlonatelV small numbers- Itttcal segreg&tlon of our soclety. constltute de facto evldence of discrlm' The blll ts g perlect exaurpld of the lnatlon. sort ol leglslative morasl that polttt- So the quotg enthuslasts pushed for ctans create when they bow to pres- an easter sta.ndard, and the House sure Eroups. duly lncluded ln tts blll the so-called s. rss2- ls bad law a"nd unsound effects or results test. Tlrus, lt would publle pollcy. I cannot support lt. Its only be necessary to prove that a law itatea -oUjecttves . are confqsed, a.m. had dlscrlminatory results to strlke lt btguous and contradlctory. down- indeed, the blll ls worse tha,n a In other words, an electlon proce' stmpte extenslon of the 1965 act. dure-such as at-large votinS-could F6r 1? years now, Vlrgtnla and other be found dlscr{minatory lf minorltles covered Jirrtsdicttons have been forced were not elected ln proportionate to clear even the most trlvlal electoral numbers. changes-such as extendlng voter reg' Mr. Presldent, the effects test has lstratton hours-wlth the U.S. Attor' nothlng to do wlth protecttng the ney General rtght ol Amerlcen cltlzens to vote. It io take another exa,mple, ehould a has everythlng to do wtth lnsurlng communlty declde to shlft a polltng proportlonal representatlon. place trom one butldlng to enother, lt Thts fact was repeatedly under' bopld heve to secure the blesslng ol scored durtng extenslve hearlngs on ttr-iattornev General ln \lgashlngtorU the Eouse btll hetd earUer thls year by D.C. the Judlclary Commlttee's subcommlt' Tlrus, do vlrgtnta and a lew other tee on the constltutlon. I commend ereas oberate under the dlctates of the the subcommlttee, and lts able chalr- Federal Government lnsofar as oJny man, the Senetor from Utah (Mr' electoral declston ls concerned. HATS11), lor tts metlculous scrutlny of Thls preclearance proylslorL mea"nt the bltl and the results test tn partlcu' to Ue trimporary, lg f6und ln sectlon 5 lar. ol the act ana has been twlce ex' - I]lre gubcommlttee'8 report, whlch I tended, tn 19?0 and 19?5. strongly urge my crolleggues to read' Under thls new btll, Vlrgtnta and plalnly exposes the purpose ol the re' other covered areas would remaln sub' sults test. I quote: ) t *rly T, tlo: I Sts the Oo Iv tor I! 8le, Cat Iv tne: for thlt A slor lsla whr bet latt Dre run tlt you dot I :litl llnt b? .U lP8 rct'u Pre tJlel prro, hrv lnI r'alt tbe'dm .lGgl terr 6r Thc .qy rad A1 thot corx lls Gollr D6(tor ttrc 0116 .At oour tom trg,t o\u oolrt 6tir donhu brr Itid U.a ther Tt thei only olt clecl ol rr ?et l'l' ii l;l 's 6786 portlongl representatlon. Proportlonel rep, resentatlon makes lt lmposslble for the ttp. resentatlve Droces! to tlnd I oomnon Sround that transcends facttonsllzed lnter' ests. Every modern government baled on the proportlonsl system lr hlghly lrsgment ed and unstable. I?rc Senlur ol thc Amerl. c8n rystem ts that lt requtrer lrctlons end lnteresta to take an enlarSed vlew of thelr own welfare, to see. as lt were, thelr own ln. terests through the fllter of the common good. Now, the House btll, evldently to de- flect crltlclsm of the results test, ln- cludcs a disclalmer whlch states that sectlon 2 does not create e rtght to proportlonal representation. Thls dlsclalmer strlkes me as contra. dictory at best, and dislngenious at worst. In orde e court to n8 sultr test leads tnvarlably to DropoF tlonel representatton er thc remedy ln votlng dlscrlmlnatlon cult& In tectlmony beforu thc Conctltutlon subcornrrrlttee, kof. Eenry Abreham ol the Unlveretty ol Vtrclnll put lt succUrctly: Only thosc Eho Uvc ln r drce,m rorld cen trll to Dereelvc thc bulc thrut rod purDolc r,nd lnevltrble result ol thc nct, rcctlon t lt l! to cdabush r Drttcra ol ptlDortlotrd rcp r€sentrtlon, Dow based upoD rroc-Dcrhr,DE rt a lEtcr noment ln.tlnc uDon gender or rcllclon or nitlonsllty. Mr. hestdent, each and every Amerlcan cltlzen har the r{ght to vote' but not the rlsht to be elected. Ite Federal Government has no buslnegs trylng to guarantee certaln electton re. sults. Tlre admtllstratlon was under no ll- luslon about aectlon 2. Ttre subcom- rnlttee'r leadoll wltness, Attorney'General \trlllle,n Frencb Smtth, stressed the dangett lnherent ln tbe resdlts tf8t. The natlonwlde results rtanda,rd, be geld, would mafe long ltandlng elec' tlon procedureg ln comnunltles lcnoss the country vulnerable to tegrl chel- lengp lt electlon results falled to mlrror the local populatlon mlx. Ttre Attorney General predlcted that communttleg wtth 'at large elec- tlons and multlnember dtetrtcts would eome under attacf, as would Dany re- dlstrlcthg end reepportlonment plans. IIe clso predlcted thct passaae of the results test would further embroll tJre courtr ln locsl electlons across the land. I guote: To Gnt€rtsln thlr klnd ol uoendment to the Act'r permanent provlslon lr lnevltabty to lnvltc yeam of extended Utlgattor\ ldav- lns ln doubt the ve,lldlty ol longstandtng state and local electlon lawt ln the tnterlm snd lnvttlng the federal court6, on Do more than a flndlng of dlsproportlonate electlon resulk, to restructure government systems tha,t have been ln place for dec8des, CONGRESSIONAL REGORD - SENATE' . In llght ol the admlntstratlon's earll- er objectlons to the results test, lt was disheartenlng to . hear Presldent Reagan recently glve hls blesslng to the Judlclary Comnlttee's verslon of s. 1992. What has happened to brtng about the admtntstratlon'g change ln mtnd? The Senate verslon ol the blll-the so+alled compromlse-ottempts .to mollify crltlcs of the results test by adding a dash of legal Jargon to 8ec- tlon 2. Speclflgally, the blll retakrs the re. sults test. but goes on to state that a vtolatlon can be proved "lt, based on the totallty .of clrcumstances, lt ls shown that the polltlcal processes sub- divislon are not equally open to partlc- tpatlon" by Sroups. ne- "totlllty of clrcum- kei element ol the compromtse, the Judlcllrry blll extends the llle of the gectlon 6 preclearance provlslons another 2! yearg and elters the batlout lenguege. In reellty, thll blU lr not e compno- mlse; lt rather constltutes an ebdlca- tlon ol congiresslonal regponslblllty. It enshroude eongrcaslon8l lntent ln the mtsty lairgusse of polttlcal expedl- ency. Its tnevtteble rcsult' wlU be 8 flurry ol Utlgatlon glnce the task of dl- vlntns congfesslonal tntent wlU ta,ll to the eourts. i And lt ls certeln tttst the courts wlll take a long tlme lnterpretlng thls mtt- begotten leglsletlon In the meantlme, local clectlons wlll bc chsllenged and deleyed'as the legal wheel,r grlnd on and oII Tbe btUl most lnstdlouc efiect rrUl be to undernlne ttre people'r felth ln thelr own polltlcal gyaten" A cardlnel tcnet ol Amerlcan dcmocracy b that clttzeil have thc rtght to detefinlne the ktnd of glovernnent they want to mn thelr locgl sffBh& ftllrB btu Bbroset€s'thet rtght ln favor ol the speclal lnt€rest, ol certaln pressure Sxoups. The rlght to vote lr ttre baslc gu.ar- agtor ol all our democratlo rtghts. It ahould not be comprtmlsed by poUtlj cans seeklng to curry lsvor wlth thts group or that at electlon ttme. Furthermore, Mr. Prestdent, thk blll embodles i thrust tolra^rd proporttonal representatlon whlch could lead to the creetlon ol what Boute heve called "po- Utlcal shettoes" h'our soclety. I do not see how the establlshment of federelly mandated segregated vothg distrlcts wlll help mlnorltles ln the long run. Indeed, the disappear- ance of mlxed votlng dlstrlcts, where Juru 15; 1982 coElltlon-bulldlng ls posslble, may ao tually dlmlnlsh mtnorlty votlng power. I belteve lt should be polnted out that the assumptlon underlylng the push for proportlonal representation ls a raclst assumptlon. It ls that whltes wlll not vote for blscks, that blacks cannot be falrly represented by whltes, that only Hlspanlcs should represent Hlspanics, and so on. The electlon of blacks and other ml- norlty members to promlnent offlces throughout the country belles these assumptlons. Whltes certalnly voted for the mayor of Los Angeles and blacks certalnly voted for the Gover- nor of Vlrginla. In summary, Mr. Prestdent, the al- leged "compromise" has three key fea- tures. It provldes 8 new ballout sectlon to take effect tn 198{. Covered Jurlsdic- tlons theoretlcally wlll be able to batl out lrom the preclearance provlslons ll they can show a court here ln Wash- lngiLon, D.C. a clean votlng rlghts record lor the precedlng 10 years.' Eowever, the deflnltlon of a "clee,n" record-ln cor{unctlon wtth the re teat-wlll permlt frlvolow corn plalnts to keep any Jurlsdlctlon chelned lndellnltely to the act. Second, the b[l extends the pre cleara,nee mechanlsm for 25 yea.rs, rather than meklnS tt peEnanent, as ln the llouse btll. But thtl prolongr tor a quarter cen tury the bumfllatlng and unnstunl condltlon of Federal overslght of local electlons: A eondltlon whlch vtolates ' the constltutlonal authorlty of the Stst€r to prescrlbe electorel Droce.' durcs. Iastly and most omlnously, the blll overtfums the Supreme Court's Mobtle declslon an4 through the resulta t€st, may well result ln proportlonal repre aentatlon Proponents nay csll thls blll 8 "com- proml,se" ll they choose. But the compromlse ln the languagc ol the leglsletton ls cosmetlc and wlth- out rubsta,nce. Ar to the 2t-yesr extenslon. I asl thls: Eow h lt a compromlse to Ben tenct an lnnocent man to 25 years tn prlson, lnstead ol llle? U, lndeed, there was Justlllcatlon lor passage of the Vqtlns Rlghts Act ol 1965, I aur convlnced lt ts totaUy ur. reasonable to assertrthat now, l? years later, lts enforcement provlslons need to be extended lor en addltlonal 25 yesr& Are mlnorlty voters ln lnmlnent danser of belns dlsenlranchlsed? There, ls no evldence to support thh vlew. fn Vkgtnla, there has been no evl. dence whatsoever thet enyone hu been denled the rlght to vote. Yet paseage.of this leglsletlon would cest lnsultlng and thoroughly unJustl. fled reflectlon on the people of Vlrgln. la, who have been scrupulous ln pro tectlng the rlsht of all cltlzens to votn. oy eJ