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In the Hmtrfc Bitxtts Court of Appeals Sixth Circuit No. 14,662 I. A. W atson, et al., Plaintiff s-Appellants, ■— -VS.'— City op Memphis, et al., Defendants-Appellees. APPENDIX TO BRIEF OF PLAINTIFFS-APPELLANTS A. W . W illis, Jr. 558 Vance Avenue Memphis, Tennessee T htjrgood Marshall Constance B aker Motley 10 Columbus Circle New York 19, New York E lwood H. Chisolm B. L. H ooks C. 0 . H orton B. F. J ones H. T. L ockard R. B. Sugarmon, Jr. Of Counsel TABLE OF CONTENTS OF APPENDIX PAGE Docket Entries ................................................................... la Complaint —........................ —.....................-....................... 2a Answer ..............................................-........ -....... -.............. 10a Excerpts From Testimony on T r ia l................................... 15a By Plaintiffs’ Witnesses: Dr. William 0. Speight, Jr......... ......................... 15a Dr. A. E. H orne........................................................... 18a Curtis King, Jr........................................................... 20a Melvin Robertson ................................... 21a Joseph Willie Lane, Jr...................... 23a Dr. I. A. Watson, Jr................................................. 28a Alma Bonds ............................................... 30a Harold Gholston ..... ............... .................. - ............ 32a Alfred Haynes, Jr............. ................. -....... -......... — 34a By Defendants’ Witnesses: Harry Pierotti ...................................-........ -............ 37a Harold S. Lewis .... 72a James C. Macdonald ..................... ........... -.............. 100a Findings of Fact and Conclusions of L a w ................. - 105a Judgment ........................................... 118a Docket Entries May 13, 1960 Filed Complaint June 3, 1960 Filed Order Enlarging Time to File Answer to 7-1-60 June 8, 1960 Filed Order Enlarging Time for Answer July 1, 1960 Filed Answer of Defendants September 28, 1960 Filed Notice of Taking- Depositions November 4, 1960 Filed Depositions of Harold S. Lewis, Marion Hale, John E. Gor man, E. C. Barwick and Robert Schuyler November 16, 1960 Filed Motion to Advance Date of Trial and for Consolidation for Trial April 7, 1961 Filed Order Substituting Party De fendant—Mrs. W. Jeter Eason sub stituted for Leo Bearman June 20, 1961 Filed Judgment June 27, 1961 Filed Findings of Fact and Conclu sions of Law July 7, 1961 Filed Notice of Appeal July 7, 1961 Filed $250 Appeal Bond July 17, 1961 Filed Transcript of Evidence in Two Volumes 2a Complaint Filed May 13, 1960 J urisdiction I The jurisdiction of this Court is invoked pursuant to the provisions of Title 28, United States Code, §1343(3), this being a suit in equity which is authorized by law, Title 42, United States Code, §1983, to be brought to redress the deprivation under color of state law, statute, ordinance, regulation, custom or usage of rights, privileges, and im munities secured by the Constitution and laws of the United States or by any Act of Congress providing for equal rights of citizens. The rights here sought to be redressed are rights guaranteed by the due process and equal protection clauses of the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States and Title 42, United States Code, §1981, as hereinafter more fully appears. T ype of P roceeding II This is a proceeding for a permanent injunction, enjoining defendants, and each of them, their agents, employees and successors from continuing their policy, practice, custom and usage of operating public recreational facilities in the City of Memphis, Tennessee, on a racially segregated basis and enjoining them from continuing to exclude Negro citi zens and residents of Memphis from certain public facili ties, solely on account of race and color. III This is a proceeding for a declaratory judgment, pursu ant to the provisions of Title 28, United States Code, 3a §§2201 and 2202, for the purpose of determining the follow ing questions in actual controversy between the parties. A. Whether defendants may continue to enforce any or dinance, regulation, policy, custom or usage of operating public recreational facilities under their jurisdiction, man agement or control in the City of Memphis on a racially segregated basis. B. Whether defendants may continue to exclude the plaintiffs and members of their class from certain public recreational facilities owned and operated by defendants or owned and leased by the defendants, solely because of the race and color of the plaintiffs and members of their class. IV This is a proceeding brought by the plaintiffs on behalf of themselves and on behalf of other persons similarly situated, pursuant to the provisions of Buie 23(a)(3) of the Federal Buies of Civil Procedure. The class of persons on behalf of whom the plaintiffs sue consists of Negro citizens of the State of Tennessee who reside in the City of Memphis, Tennessee, and who, by virtue of these facts, are entitled to use and enjoy the recreational facilities which are owned and operated by defendants for the use and enjoyment of the general public and which are owned and leased by defendants for operation by the lessee, for use and enjoyment of the general public, and who are all similarly affected by the enforcement by defendants of their policy, practice, custom and usage of operating public rec reational facilities in the City of Memphis on a racially segregated basis, pursuant to which plaintiffs and mem bers of their class are denied the right to use and enjoy Complaint Complaint certain public recreational facilities on the same terms and conditions applicable to white persons in the City of Mem phis. Said persons constitute a class too numerous to be brought individually before this Court, but there are com mon questions of law and fact involved and a common grievance arising out of a common wrong and a common relief is sought for plaintiffs herein named and for each member of the class. The interests of said class are fairly and adequately represented by the named plaintiffs. P laintiffs V Plaintiffs are I. A. Watson, Jr., T. W. Northcross, Sr., W. 0. Speight, Jr., A. E. Horne, Sr., Melvin Malunda, Johnny G-holston, Harold Gholston, Alfred Haynes, Jr., John Eogers, Thomas Pugh, and Curtis King. Each plain tiff is an adult Negro citizen of the United States and of the State of Tennessee, residing in the City of Memphis, Tennessee. Each plaintiff’s real or personal property is taxed by the defendant City of Memphis for the purpose of supporting public recreational facilities which are con structed, maintained, operated or leased by the defendants. Each plaintiff is ready, willing and able to pay any uniform fees or charges which may be required by defendants from all members of the public alike for the use and enjoyment of public recreational facilities and is ready, walling and able to abide by all rules and regulations promulgated by defendants with respect to the use and enjoyment of such facilities which are applicable alike to all persons desiring to use such facilities. 5a D efendants VI Defendants are the City of Memphis, Tennessee, a public body corporate which has been organized and which exists under and pursuant to the laws of the State of Tennessee. The City of Memphis has been authorized and empowered by the laws of the State of Tennessee to establish a Park Commission, name the members thereof, fix their compensa tion and terms of office, and establish by ordinance the rules and regulations which may be necessary to govern such Park Commission. Defendants Harry Pierotti, E. C. Bar- wick, Leo Bearman, John Gorman and Walker Wellford, Jr., have each been duly appointed and named by the de fendant City of Memphis a member of the Board of Di rectors of the Memphis Park Commission and each is pres ently serving in such capacity. These defendants have under their jurisdiction, management and control, the pub lic recreational facilities referred to in this complaint. De fendant H. S. Lewis is the duly appointed and acting Superintendent of the Memphis Park Commission and is the chief administrative officer of said commission. Claim fob B elief VII Acting under color of the authority conferred upon them by the laws of the State of Tennessee and the ordinances of the City of Memphis, the defendants have adopted and are presently pursuing a policy, practice, custom and usage of operating public recreational facilities in the City of Memphis on a racially segregated basis. Pursuant to this Complaint 6a policy, practice, custom and usage, defendants restrict the use of certain public recreational facilities to use and en joyment by white persons only and restrict the number of public recreational facilities which may be used and en joyed by Negroes. Pursuant to this policy, practice, custom and usage, there are certain public libraries, parks, play grounds, golf courses, boat docks and lakes which may be used by white persons only and there are certain public libraries, parks, playgrounds, golf courses, boat docks and lakes which may be used by Negro persons only. The num ber of libraries, parks, playgrounds, boat docks and lakes and golf courses which may be used by white persons only far outnumber such facilities which may be used and en joyed by Negro persons only. With respect to the public art galleries and museums, use of such facilities by Negroes is limited to one day per week while such facilities may be enjoyed by white persons on all of the other days of the week. The policy, practice, custom and usage which is com plained of here is based solely upon race and color and is enforced by defendants’ employees at all of the public rec reational facilities referred to herein. The plaintiffs and members of their class have attempted to use and enjoy those public facilities referred to above which are limited by defendants to use and enjoyment by white persons and have been denied the use and enjoyment of same solely on account of their race and color. On March 31, 1960, at approximately 9 :00 a.m., plaintiffs I. A. Watson, Jr., W. 0 . Speight, Jr., A. E. Horne, Sr., and T. W. Northcross, Sr., went to the Pine Hill Golf Course, a golf course owned and operated by defendants for the use and enjoyment of white persons only, for the purpose of using and enjoying same and were denied the right to use the same by defendants’ employees solely because of their race and color. Complaint 7a On April 10, 1960, at approximately 2:00 p.m., plaintiff Melvin Malnnda went to the Boat Doek at McKellar Lake and sought to use said facility but was denied the use and enjoyment of same by defendants’ employees solely because of his race and color. Said Boat Dock is owned and oper ated by defendants for the exclusive use of white persons. On April 27, 1960, at approximately 1 :40 p.m., plaintiffs Johnny Gholston, Harold Gholston and Alfred Haynes, Jr., went to Brooks Art Gallery for the purpose of enjoy ing same but were refused admission thereto by defendants’ employees solely because of their race and color. On April 27, 1960, at approximately 3 :30 p.m., plaintiffs Johnny Gholston, Harold Gholston and Alfred Haynes, Jr., went to the John Rogers Tennis Court for the purpose of using and enjoying same but were denied the use and enjoyment of same by defendants’ employees solely because of race and color. The John Rogers Tennis Court is owned and operated by defendants for exclusive use and enjoy ment of white persons. On April 29, 1960, at approximately 1 :15 p.m., plaintiffs Thomas Pugh and Curtis King were denied admission to the Pink Palace Museum by defendants’ employees solely because of their race and color. The Pink Palace Museum is owned and operated by defendants. In denying the plaintiffs the use and enjoyment of these facilities at the times referred to herein, the defendants’ employees were acting pursuant to and were enforcing the racial policy complained of herein. In the past, when certain members of plaintiffs’ class have insisted upon using and enjoying said white facilities, defendants have caused such persons to be arrested and charged with trespass and other violations of the criminal laws of the State of Tennessee, solely on account of the race and color of these persons. Complaint 8a Irreparable I njury V III Enforcement of the policy, practice, custom and usage of operating public recreational facilities in the City of Memphis on a racially segregated basis, pursuant to which plaintiffs and members of their class are excluded from certain facilities, solely because of race and color, has re sulted in irreparable injury to the plaintiffs and members of their class and is in violation of the constitutional and civil rights of the plaintiffs and members of their class. W herefore, plaintiffs respectfully pray that upon the filing of this complaint this Court advance this case on the docket and order a speedy hearing of same and upon said hearing this Court: 1. Adjudge, decree and declare the rights and other legal relations of the parties to the subject matter here in controversy, in order that such declaration shall have the force and effect of a final judgment; 2. Issue a permanent injunction enjoining defendants and each of them, their agents, employees and successors and all persons in active concert and participation with them from operating the public museums, art galleries, libraries, golf courses, tennis courts, playgrounds, parks, boat docks and lakes and other recreational facilities of the City of Memphis, Tennessee, on a racially segregated basis and enjoining defendants from enforcing any ordinance, regulation, policy, practice, custom or usage which restricts and/or limits plaintiffs, and other Negro residents of the City of Memphis, Tennessee, in their rights and privileges of enjoying and using the said public recreational facilities Complaint 9a and services of the City of Memphis, Tennessee, and en joining defendants from refusing plaintiffs, and other Negro residents similarly situated, the right to use and enjoy such facilities on the same terms and conditions ap plicable to white persons in the City of Memphis; 3. That plaintiffs have such other, additional or alterna tive relief as may appear to the Court to be equitable. 4. Grant plaintiffs their costs herein. A. W. W illis, Jr, 588 Yance Avenue Memphis, Tennessee E. B. Sugarmon, Jr. 588 Vance Avenue Memphis, Tennessee H. T. L ockard 322% Beale Street Memphis, Tennessee B. L. H ooks 588 Vance Avenue Memphis, Tennessee B. F. J ones 211 South Third Street Memphis, Tennessee C. 0. H orton 145 Beale Street Memphis, Tennessee Constance Baker Motley Thurgood Marshall 10 Columbus Circle New York 19, New York Attorneys for Plaintiffs Complaint 10a. Answer of Defendants Filed July 1, 1960 F irst Defense Defendants deny the jurisdiction of this Court to hear this cause. Plaintiffs and defendants are residents and citizens of Shelby County, Tennessee, and the matters and things involved herein are subject to the prior jurisdiction of the Courts of this State. Second D efense Defendants deny the right of the plaintiffs, or those for whom they assume to sue, to a permanent injunction against defendants on the allegations of the complaint. T hird Defense Defendants deny the right of the plaintiffs to a declara tory judgment against defendants under the law and facts involved herein. F ourth Defense Defendants deny that this is a class action and deny the authority or agency of the plaintiffs to institute this suit for anyone except themselves. F ifth Defense Defendants deny that the number of libraries, parks, playgrounds, boat docks, lakes and golf courses which may be used by white persons only far out number such facilities that may be used by negro persons only, especially when negro participation is considered. The public park system of the City of Memphis has been developed, managed and expanded over a period of many years for the purpose of providing the maximum recrea tional facilities for all the citizens of Memphis, both 11a Answer of Defendants colored and white. There are approximately one hundred (100) public parks in the City of Memphis. Said parks are strategically located so as to provide access to the per sons living in the neighborhood at or near said parks. In neighborhoods where the population is predominantly Ne gro, such parks are used exclusively by Negroes. In neigh borhoods where the population is predominantly white, the parks are used by white persons. In other than residential areas, the parks are used generally by all the citizens of Memphis. Therefore, the utilization of the public parks of the City of Memphis has not been capriciously divided as to race, but, on the contrary, admission to said parks by citizens of Memphis has been regulated so as to provide maximum recreational facilities for the maximum number of Mem phis citizens in areas where such citizens reside. With reference to allegations in the complaint concern ing park facilities available to Negro citizens in Memphis, it is significant that there are seven (7) public golf courses operated by the Memphis Park Commission, two (2) of which have been and are available exclusively for use by Negroes. In the first eleven (11) months of 1959, 205,406 players used the seven (7) public golf courses, of which number 13,405 used the two courses reserved exclusively for Negroes—thus, although the Negro citizens had avail able for their use approximately thirty per cent (30%) of the public golf courses in Memphis, Negro golf players comprised only about six and one-half per cent (6% % ) of the total golf players. Another example of park facilities available to Negro citizens is seen in tennis courts. Several years ago the City of Memphis Park Commis sion installed modern tennis court facilities for Negroes at 12a Answer of Defendants Lincoln Park. These courts are available for both day and night play at no charge, while similar such courts in John Rogers Tennis Center are available for whites at an ad mission charge of eighty cents (8(%) for night play and forty cents (40^) for day play. Other examples of recreational facilities available to Negro citizens can be given to show that defendants are providing maximum recreational facilities for the maxi mum number of Memphis citizens, both white and Negro. Sixth Defense Further pleading, defendants would show that approxi mately thirty-five percent (35%) of the total population is Negro and approximately sixty-five per cent (65%) of said population is white; that these defendants have the duty of exercising the Police powers vested in such a way as to prevent riots, violence, and disharmony of all kinds among the races; that historically and traditionally, riots and violence have frequently occurred in areas where races are mixed in large numbers in places of amusement. There fore, these defendants, in discharging their duties as public officers and in exercising the Police powers vested in them by law, have prevented the assembly of mixed groups in large numbers in some of the parks of the City of Memphis in order to maintain harmony between the races and in order to prevent violence, bloodshed and civil commotion. Problems that are reasonably likely to flow from forced mixing in the public parks of the City of Memphis are peculiar to the Memphis area by reason of the location of Memphis in the southwestern corner of Tennessee, with its very borders touching both the States of Arkansas and Mississippi. 13a Answer of Defendants Seventh Defense A substantial part of the revenue used for the operation and maintenance of the public parks of the City of Mem phis is derived from concession leases and fees charged in connection with amusement devices. In these parks con flicts are so certain to arise if large numbers of both white and Negro groups should attend that a failure of these defendants to limit attendance to either one group or the other would result in few citizens attending such parks because of the fear of disorders and this in turn would deprive the defendants of the revenues needed for the oper ation of the Park System and would result in all citizens losing a substantial part of the recreational facilities now available to them. E ighth Defense Certain parks in the City of Memphis were acquired by wills or deeds containing restrictions, conditions and limita tions affecting the title to said lands which depend on whether or not Negro citizens are admitted to said parks, and if these defendants are directed to admit all citizens to all parks and recreational facilities as sought in the com plaint, such action would likely result in loss of title to lands held for park purposes. This Court is without juris diction of the necessary parties and subject matter and these questions should not be adjudicated prior to a final decision by Tennessee Courts. In order to determine with greater particularity the exact nature of the provisions contained in the various deeds, wills or other instruments pertaining to the title to land, there will be involved tre mendous time and expense in examining the title to all properties held by the City of Memphis for park purposes. 14a Answer of Defendants Ninth Defense Further pleading, defendants would show that the inci dence of violence, vandalism and disorders among visitors to the parks of the City of Memphis is greatly increased in those parks frequented by Negro citizens of the City of Memphis, and if Negro citizens were admitted to all parks on all occasions the additional Police protection which would be required would make the expense of operating said parks prohibitive, and, therefore, all citizens would lose a sub stantial portion of the recreational facilities now afforded to them if all citizens were permitted to use all parks at the same time. T enth Defense That by custom, usage and tradition the great majority of all citizens of the City of Memphis prefer that the place ment of children and others in recreational areas be car ried out on a basis which would avoid stress, relieve tension and violence in order to afford maximum recreational facili ties for all the citizens of Memphis. Therefore, all allegations of the complaint not specifi cally admitted are denied and defendants pray that this cause be dismissed at the cost of the plaintiffs. W alter Chandler J ohn S. P orter F rank B. Gianotti, Jr. J. Seddon Allen T homas K. P rewitt Attorneys for Defendants 15a Excerpts From Testimony on Trial Db. W illiam 0. Speight, Je. The said witness, having been first duly sworn, testified as follows: Direct Examination: Q. Will you state your full name for the record, please! A. Dr. William 0. Speight, Jr. Q. Dr. Speight, are you a resident of Memphis, Tennes see! A. Yes, lam . Q. How long have you been a resident! A. Practically all my life, except schooling. Q. Are you a golf-player! A. Yes. Q. What courses have you used in the City! A. Douglas and Fuller Park. Q. Have you attempted to play golf in any other courses — 58— of the City! A. I attempted to play at Pine Hill. Q. What was your experience when you went there! A. We were refused admission to the clubhouse where we would have to purchase a ticket in order to play. Q. By whom were you refused admission! A. The golf pro at the Golf Club. I couldn’t give his name. Q. Did he identify himself to you as being the responsible person in charge of the links there! A. Yes, he did. Q. And what reason did he give for not permitting you to play on the links! A. He didn’t give any particular rea son. He suggested at the time that we go and attempt to play at Galloway on that particular day. Q. He would not let you use the links at Pine Hill! A. No, he wouldn’t. Q. Dr. Speight, where do you live! A. 1865 South Park way, East. — 57— 16a Q. And where is the Pine Hill Golf Course in relation to where you live? A. It ’s a little west of me on Mississippi. — 59— I don’t know the other street, but it’s a little southwest of my house, from my house. Q- Ho you frequently have occasion or the opportunity to play golf I A. Ido. Q. And, being a golfing fan, why would you desire to use Pine Hill as opposed to any of these other courses! A. It’s nearer to my home than the other two. Cross Examination: Q. Do you usually play at Puller Golf Course? A. Usu ally. Q. How often have you played there? A. Usually twice a week. Q. And what about Douglas Park? A. I did play at Douglas prior to the development of Fuller. Q. How far do you live from Fuller Golf Course? A. Between ten and fifteen miles, approximately. Q. How far do you live from Pine Hill? A. Less than — 6 0 - two. Q. Have you played in golf courses in any other city besides Memphis? A. Oh, yes. Q. How does Fuller Golf Course compare to other golf courses you have played on? A. Well, actually, I would say it is inferior to some that I have played on, because it is relatively new, and as a result, the fairways haven’t been developed as well as they have been in other places. Q. As a matter of fact, it’s developing into one of the finest golf courses in the country, isn’t it? A. I would think so. Dr. William 0. Speight, Jr.—for Plaintiffs—Cross 17a Q. And in a couple of years when nature has had its chance to develop, that will be one of the finest golf courses in the country, won’t it? A. That’s a possibility. Q. The way they are developing- it now? A. Yes. Q. You can’t build a golf course overnight, can you? A. Not likely. Q. And you have never been refused the right to play golf at Fuller Golf Course? Whenever you have wanted to — 61— play golf in the City of Memphis, you have been able to play, haven’t you? A. Except on one occasion. Q. What occasion? A. When I attempted to play at Pine Hill. Q. Did you play at Fuller then? A. I didn’t play that day. Q. You could have played, could you? A. Yes. Q. You never have been denied the right to play golf in the City of Memphis, haev you? A. No, I haven’t. Q. Your objection is that you were denied the right to play at Pine Hill on one particular day? A. That’s right. Q. Doctor, would it satisfy you if that golf course were opened to both races on January 1st of next year? A. No. I would rather see it open as soon as possible, during the time that most would have an opportunity to play. It ’s very unlikely that too many will go out during the cold weather. Q. Do you know of any negro who has wanted to play —6 2 - golf in Memphis who has ever been denied the right to play golf? A. Yes, sir, I do. Q. Since Fuller Golf Course opened? I will limit it to that. In the last three or four years? A. There were three others that accompanied me at the time we went to play at Pine H ill; so, therefore, that would make four. Dr. William 0. Speight, Jr.—for Plaintiffs—Cross 18a Dr. William 0. Speight, Jr.—for Plaintiffs—Redirect Dr. A. E. Horne—for Plaintiffs—Direct Q. I am not talking about playing at Pine Hill. I am talking about playing golf. A. No. I don’t know of anyone. Q. So far as you know, there has been no negro citizen of Memphis in the last three or four years that has ever been denied the right to play golf? A. That’s correct. Redirect Examination: Q. One further question. Hr. Speight, can you state that you have not been denied the right to play golf in the City of Memphis in a course of your choice? A. I can’t state that. — 63— Q. You have been denied the right to play golf in the City of Memphis at a public course of your choice? A. I have. — 6 4 - Dr. A. E. H orne The next witness, having first been duly sworn, testified as follows: Direct Examination: Q. Doctor Horne how long have you been a resident of the City of Memphis? A. Most of my life except while I was out going to school, principally thirty-seven years. Q. Where do you live? A. 1974 South Parkway East. Q. Are you married? A. Yes. Q. Do you have any children? A. Yes. Q. Do you have any hobbies? A. My main hobby is play ing golf. Q. Have you ever attempted to use any of the public 19a courses in the City of Memphis to play golf? A. Yes, I have. Q. Have you ever been denied the right to use any of — 65— these? A. I was denied the right to use the Pine Hill Golf Course last year. Q. You and Hr. Speight went there together? A. Yes. Q. You heard his testimony. Is there anything you can add about that particular course? A. Well, I asked the man who was apparently the manager or golf pro or the man that refused to sell us the ticket to play why they would not sell us one and he said that we couldn’t play, that it was a city park and he said it was just the rule of the Park Commission that we couldn’t play. Q. For that reason he refused to let you or Dr. Speight use that golf course? A. Yes. Q. Are you familiar with the fact that there are other recreational facilities provided by the City of Memphis? A. Yes, I am. Q. And having children, all the other recreational facili ties, I suppose you would like to use them or for your chil dren to be able to use them? A. As far as possible, yes. — 66— Q. What are the closest parks to where you live as far as facilities operated by the Park Commission? A. The very closest playground type park would be Glenview, I believe. Q. Have you tried to take your children there to play? A. No, I haven’t. Q. Do you know whether that park is operated on the basis that it is available to all citizens in the city? A. Ac cording to the testimony I heard this afternoon it is for white. Dr. A. E. Horne—for Plaintiffs—Direct 20a Q. Do you feel this is a policy of the Park Commission you approve of? A. I do not approve of it. Q. Dr. Horne, from where you live about how far is it to the golf course at Fuller Park? A. About twelve to fifteen miles. Q. From where you live about how far is it to the golf course at Douglas Park? A. Roughly eight miles. Q. Are there any golf courses closer to you? A. The closest golf course to me is Pine Hill. Atty. Sugarmon: That is all. Mr. Prewitt: I have no questions. Curtis King, Jr.—for Plaintiffs—Direct The next witness, having first been duly sworn, testified as follows: Direct Examination: Q. Will you state your full name to the Court? A. Curtis King, Jr. Q. You are a resident and citizen of Memphis? A. Yes, sir. Q. Have you ever had occasion to go to what is known as the Pink Palace? A. One occasion. Q. When was that? A. That was last year. Q. What day of the week was it? A. It was on Thurs day. Q. What was your experience? A. I went to the Palace to look up some references and when we got there we was refused at the door by one of the employees. 21a Melvin Robertson—-for Plaintiffs—Direct — 68— Q. Did he say why you couldn’t use the facilities out there? A. They said the reason we couldn’t enter was be cause negroes couldn’t go there but on no other day but Tuesday. Attorney Sugarmon: No further questions. Mr. Prewitt: No questions. Attorney Sugarmon: Thank you. — 69— Melvin B obektson The nest witness, having first been duly sworn, testified as follows: Direct Examination: Q. Will you state your full name? A. Melvin Bobertson. Q. Mr. Bobertson, you are a resident and citizen of this city and this county? A. Yes. Q. Have you ever had occasion to go to the Fairground? A. Yes, I— Q. What date was that and tell the Court what hap pened? A. Well, I think it was the second Sunday in May. I went out there and entered the gate and walked around the premises and when I went up to buy a ticket I was told I couldn’t buy a ticket by the woman there. I asked her why I couldn’t and she said she had orders not to sell negroes tickets and I asked her why and she said I would have to see the manager, Mr. Smith. Mr. Prewitt: What is the date of this ? The Witness: That was in the month of May. Mr. Prewitt: What year? 22a Melvin Robertson—for Plaintiffs—Direct The Witness: 1961. —70— Q. Will you continue? A. She said that I would have to see Mr. Smith and I asked her if it was customary that everybody that buy a ticket see Mr. Smith and she said that it wasn’t but she had orders, and that there was one day a week for negroes starting the first of June. Mr. Smith came up and introduced himself and indicated that starting in the month of June negroes would have one day which would be on Tuesday. He said he would like for us to leave peaceful and orderly and if not he would have to summon the police. He asked me would I leave and I replied that I would not. — 71— He called the police and the police came and they said we would have to leave the park. I asked them why and they said the park was operated on a segregated basis and they were instructed to enforce the law. They asked would I leave and I told them I would not. At that time he told me the Captain would be there shortly and he came and asked would we leave and I asked him why I should and he said that the park was operated on a segregated basis and we only had one day a week start ing with the month of June. He asked would I leave and I told him no and he left and made a call and came back and we waited about forty-five minutes and he came back and asked again would I leave and I told him that we work on Tuesday and it was impossible for us to attend the Fairground on Tuesday. He then told us we was all under arrest and they ar rested us. Attorney Sugarmon: No further questions. Mr. Prewitt: No questions. 23a Joseph Willie Lane, Jr.—for Plaintiffs—Direct —72— J oseph W illie L ane, J e. The said witness, having first been duly sworn, testified as follows: Direct Examination: Q. Will you state your full name? A. Joseph Willie Lane, Jr. Q. Are you a citizen of Memphis ? A. I am. Q. Do you have any children? A. I have three. Q. Do you have occasion to attend any of the recreational facilities afforded by the Park Commission of the City of Memphis, or did you recently? A. I have. Q. Will you state when, where and what happened? A. On last Saturday, June 10th, I attempted to fish in the rodeo at Riverside Park. Q. What is the rodeo? A. It is the redeo that the Com mercial Appeal has been sponsoring for all children be tween the ages of six and twelve can participate. My kids love to fish and I clipped out the clippings and —73— sent two of them in and on the first of June I received two cards stating numbers 895 and 896 on the cards, and that numbers 601 to 1000 was supposed to fish on June 10th, which was last Saturday, between the hours of 9:00 A.M. and 11:30 A.M. and stated on the card you was supposed to watch the Sunday morning paper June 4th for dates on it. It stated in the paper to get to the park about a half hour before fishing time. Q. What park was that? A. Riverside Park. My little boy was anxious to fish and he got up about five o ’clock and we got to the park about seven-thirty. 24a I pulled up in my car and got the poles and bait and lunch and a canteen of water out and the children was walking around the park, white children and my two, and I was waiting up under the tree waiting until they got ready to sign up. About eight o ’clock they attempted to start signing the children up as many was gathering around. About the time my little boy appeared in front of the lady she stated that it was too early, that they was only supposed to start registering at eight-thirty. — 74 — Q. What sort of a card was this? A. A little three-cent post card. Mr. Gianotti: If Your Honor please, may I ask an explanatory question. There is some allegation that—is there an allega tion that the Park Commission exercised control over this fishing rodeo, or was that sponsored by a private organization? Attorney Sugarmon: If Your Honor please, it was sponsored by the Commercial Appeal, using facili ties own and operated by the Park Commission, and this suit is seeking an injunction against segregation and we think the law will sustain us that if any pub licly owned facility is leased they must be under the conditions that will protect the rights of all citizens. This was used by a private organization under terms that restricted the rights of this man and his children. Mr. Gianotti: Your Honor, I think we are all familiar with these cases. I f he has reference to the Louisville case I don’t think that goes so far as this. There is nothing alleged in this complaint to Joseph Willie Lane, Jr.—for Plaintiffs—Direct 25a —75— the point where counsel could have in any way been advised that this type of incident should be alleged, and we move that the testimony be stricken and we object to all the testimony. As I understand, perhaps we can take an example. You have fifteen or twenty people going out for a picnic and pretty soon you couldn’t have your own crowd in any park, negro or white. I think these rights work both ways. The Court: Let’s see what the facts are. Are you saying that the Park Commission was re sponsible for what happened there on this day or the newspaper. What are your contentions! Attorney Sugarmon: It is my understanding, from the testimony so far, that this witness’ pres ence in that park was in response to a published invitation run in the paper by the sponsors inviting public attendance, and didn’t specify negro or white. The Court: Who was conducting this fishing deal down there, the paper or the city! Attorney Sugarmon: The Commercial Appeal, I believe. —76— The Court: Let’s get the facts. There is no jury here to be prejudiced. Q. Was it the Commercial Appeal! A. I guess it was, l got it out of that paper. Attorney Sugarmon: Did I understand Your Honor to say go on! The Court: Yes, you may develop the facts. Joseph Willie Lane, Jr.—for Plaintiffs—Direct 26a Q. Go on? A. At the time my little boy and girl was standing there to be registered this lady said it was too early, it was about eight o ’clock, she said to come back at eight-thirty. They had started registering at eight o’clock and my little boy and girl—they had registered about eight or ten before them. This lady walked over and spoke to Mr. Reynolds, I think he is Outdoor Editor for the Commercial Appeal, and he came over there and spoke to me and told me that this fishing rodeo was only for white children. I told him I didn’t notice any there but white and mine, my two, and he told me he didn’t want to create any trouble and they would give them any prizes on the table if we left quietly. —77— I told him that this clipping was in the paper and it didn’t say white or colored, and I said that my children were set to fish. —78— Mr. Gianotti: If Your Honor please, I understand the Court’s ruling, but it would appear from this statement we are going so far afield— some conversa tion with Mr. “ X ” , that the City has—that the City is not connected with in any way. If you want to just let the witness go ahead and talk, it may be all right. But certainly we are inter ested in orderly procedure. W e can see no ground on which this is competent. The Court: Well, do you agree that this is beyond the issues in this particular case? The Commercial Appeal had this—a local newspaper— Attorney Sugarmon: If the Court please,— Joseph Willie Lane, Jr.—for Plaintiffs—Direct 27a The Court: (Continuing) —Had a party down there. And it does seem a man by the name of Rem- bert—• The Witness: Reynolds. Attorney Sugarmon: If the Court please,— The Court: Was he working— The W itness: His name was on the card. Attorney Sugarmon: If the Court please, there is a—I think a very clear line of authority dealing —79— with the leasing or use of public owned facilities by private organizations. And I think that these cases spell out a responsibility on the part of the Park Commission to lease these facilities under such terms as the enjoyment of the facilities leased will be in a constitutional fashion. And we are using this an example— The Court: Well, Mr. Gianotti for the defendants is protesting here that this is beyond the issues, that he had no notice of it and is not prepared to meet this issue. And on the statements so far of this witness, this was something over which defendants had no control at all and had no part in. Attorney Sugarmon: If the Court please, we feel that the reach of our petition in that we ask an in junction to issue to the Park Commission to order them to stop their policy of operating the park sys tem of the City of Memphis on a segregated basis and stop enforcing a jjolicy of segregation in their operation of the parks embraces incidents of this - 8 0 - Joseph Willie Lane, Jr.—for Plaintiffs—Direct type. 28a The Court: Well, the Court will sustain the ob jection to this phase of it. I don’t believe that is within the issues. Attorney Sugarmon: We would like to note our exception. The Court: All right. Attorney Sugarmon: We have no further ques tions. Dr. I. A. Watson, Jr.—for Plaintiffs—Direct — 8 1 - D r. I. A. W atson, Jr. The next witness, having been first duly sworn, testified as follows: Direct Examination: Q. State your name to the Court, please. A. I. A. Wat son, Jr. Q. And I believe you are one of the plaintiffs in this lawsuit, is that correct ? A. Yes, lam . Q. I ask you to state to the Court whether or not you had occasion to be with Dr. Horne and Dr. Speight at the Pine Hills Golf Club? A. Yes. Q. Will you state to the Court what happened on that day? A. As mentioned before, we attempted to purchase a ticket at Pine Hills Golf Course, and we weren’t admitted to the club house. The one in charge, I believe the pro, stood in front of the door and would not let us in. And we asked if we could purchase the tickets to play and if we weren’t entering the golf course—entering the club house. And of course he mentioned to us that, “You fellows know what you are doing, and I know what you are doing. Why 29a Dr. 1. A. Watson, Jr.—for Plaintiffs—Direct — 82— don’t you try Galloway course or try somebody else. Just don’t try me. I know exactly what you are trying to do.” Q. Will you state to the Court where you live! A. I live at 1379 Melrose Cove. Q. About how far is this address from Pine Hills Golf Course? A. I would say I could reach Pine Hills in about five minutes time, I believe. I would say it would be about two or three—about two miles. Q. Well, is it closer to you than the course that has been mentioned, at Fuller Park? A. Fuller Park from me would be about twelve miles. Q. Now, how long have you lived in Memphis? A. I have lived in Memphis all my life. Q. And have you attempted to use any other public facili ties in the City of Memphis? A. Yes, I believe in ’56 we had the Sam Quarles golf tournament at Audubon Park. The crippled pro there I believe was a friend of the one that was visiting me from Springfield, Illinois. And of course, after the tournament we went back out to the park to see this pro. And of course, they have a little practice - 8 3 - tee there. And in waiting around while they talked, I ac companied him because he wasn’t familiar with the city, and of course I was asked even off of this little golf putting tee that they have there. Q. Is that on the park? A. Audubon Park. Q. Have you attempted to use any other facilities— public facilities in the City of Memphis, Dr. Watson? A. I haven’t attempted to use any other facilities. I believe that my reason for filing this suit is because I want to be able to use all the facilities in the City of Memphis. I am a 30a home owner. I am a taxpayer. And I believe that all the facilities that are open to anyone else should be open to me. Q. And on this occasion that yon mentioned at Audubon Park, that was open specially to negroes— A. That was— Q. (Continuing) — For a few days for the tournament, is that correct? A. That is right, Q. And later on when yon all went back you were denied the right to use it? A. I was denied the right to even go on the putting ground. Alma Bonds—for Plaintiffs—■Direct A lma B onds —85— The next witness, having been first duly sworn, testified as follows: Direct Examination: Q. State your name. Your name is Alma Bonds? A. Yes, sir. Q. And do you live in Memphis, Shelby County, Tennes see? A. I do. Q. Where do you work? A. Collins Chapel Hospital. Q. How long have you lived in Memphis? A. Ever since I was eleven years old. Q. And do you have children? A. Ido. Q. Will you state to the Court whether or not you have had occasion to try to-—to use, rather, a public facility in the City of Memphis? A. Yes, I have. On June 4th I en tered Gaston Park with about twenty-eight children. We were there about an hour and was chased off by the police. They didn’t say too much to us but they did chase the chil dren. Q. Now, before the police came, had these twenty-eight 31a Alma Bonds—for Plaintiffs—Direct — 86— children you are referring to—I imagine they were negro children, weren’t they? A. Yes, they were. Q. And they had been on the Gaston Community Park grounds for about an hour before the police came? A. Yes. Q. Was there any disturbance of any kind or character before the police came? A. No disturbance. Q. Well, have you had occasion to use any other—try to use any other public facility in the City of Memphis? A. Well, no, because I didn’t want to be chased by the police, so I decided I would ask—wait until I come into— Q. And do you expect to use other public facilities until this is over ? A. I do not. Q. How many children do you have? A. I have six— eight. Q. Eight? A. Eight. Q. On the day you were at Gaston Community Park, where— or were those your own children there? A. Yes. —87— Q. How many? A. Eight. Q. Where do you live? A. 272 Alston. Q. How far is that from or how close is that to Gaston? A. About three blocks. Q. Well, now, you have heard the testimony they have certain parks for negroes here in Memphis and certain parks for whites. Do you happen to know the nearest park that has been designated by the Park Commission a negro park from where you live ? A. The closest one I can recall is Lincoln’s Park. Q. And about how far is that from where you live, do you know? A. It is about five miles. Q. And Gaston Community Park is only about three 32a blocks, is only about three blocks from where you live! A. Yes. Attorney Hooks: I believe that is all. Mr. Prewitt: No questions. Harold Oholston—for Plaintiffs—Direct H akold G-holston -88- The next witness, having been first duly sworn, testified as follows: Direct Examination: Q. Will you give your name, sir? A. Harold Gholston. Q. Are you a resident here in Memphis and Shelby County? A. Iam. Q. I will ask you whether or not you had occasion to go to John Rogers Tennis Court in recent weeks? A. It was sometime during May of last year. Q. Will you tell us what happened on that occasion? A. When we got there we asked could we go in. There was a negro employee there told us we couldn’t enter. I asked him why. He said because it.was only for white. Q. Do you know where this place is located? A. Yes, I do. Q. Where? A. It is on the corner of Jefferson and Wal- dran. Q. Where do you live? A. I live in the Hyde Park vicinity. Q. Is that close to there? A. No. Well, John Rogers center—it is about five miles from where I live. Mr. Prewitt: About how far? A. Five miles. 33a Q. You do like to play tennis, though, is that correct! A. Yes, I do. Q. Pardon me. Are you in favor of all facilities in Mem phis of being desegregated? A. Yes, sir. Q. So as to permit you to go any place you desire and take part in it? A. Yes, sir. —90— Cross Examination: Q. Where did you say you live? A. Hyde Park. Q. Where is that? A. I didn’t understand. Q. Where is that? A. Out by Springdale. Q. Is that in south or north Memphis? A. North Mem phis. Q. And I believe you said that is about five miles from the John Rodgers Tennis Courts? A. That’s right. Q. Do you know where Gooch Park is? A. It wasn’t there at the time. Q. It is open now? A. It is open. Q. They have tennis courts there? A. Yes. Q. As a matter of fact they are putting some new lights there? A. I imagine they are. —91— Q. What is that surface there. It is a Rubyco surface? A. It is more like sand. Q. Are you familiar with Rubyco courts? A. Not too familiar. Q. How long have you been playing tennis? A. All the chances I can get. Q. Have you ever played on the new courts at Gooch Park? A. Yes, I have. Q. These Rubyco courts are the finest you can build, aren’t they? A. I wouldn’t know about that. Harold Gholston—for Plaintiffs—Cross 34a Harold Gholston—for Plaintiffs—Redirect Alfred Haynes, Jr.-—for Plaintiffs—Direct Q. And they are free, too, aren’t they! A. Yes, they are. Q. The John Rogers courts, they charge an admission for those? A. I wouldn’t know, I didn’t have a chance to get in to find out. Q. You do know that the Gooch Park courts are free? A. Yes. Q. And you are playing there about twice a week, I be lieve you said? A. Somewhere like that. —92— Q. Is there a tennis court in Memphis that is closer to you than Gooch Park? A. No, there is not. Q. Have you ever been denied the right to play at the Gooch Park courts? A. No, I haven’t. Q. For free? A. For free. Redirect Examination: Q. Do you belong to any tennis club? A. I belong to the tennis association. — 93— A lfred H aynes, Jr. The next witness, having first been duly sworn, testified as follows: Direct Examination: Q. Would you give us your full name? A. Alfred Haynes, Jr. Q. You are a resident of Memphis and Shelby County? A. Yes, sir. 35a Q. I will ask you if you had occasion to go to John Rogers Tennis Court in recent weeks? A. Yes, I have. Q. What occasion did you have to go there? A. When we went there an employee said it was for white and we couldn’t play there, that it was for white, so we left. Q. Do you belong to any tennis club? A. Yes. Q. Do you like to play tennis? A. I like to. Q. Do you feel, as a citizen, that you have a right to go to any one that is open to the public? A. Yes, 1 do. —94— Cross Examination: Q. Where do you live ? A. Hyde Park. Q. Is that in the same area that the witness Harold Gholston lives? A. That’s right, Q. I take it that you, like him, the closest tennis court to you is at Gooch Park? A. Yes, that’s right. Q. How long have you been playing tennis? A. About six or seven months. Q. Well, I notice you didn’t go to the John Rogers Ten nis Court— or rather you went there on April 27, 1960? A. I was beginning to learn the game then. Q. That has been about twelve or fourteen months then? A. Yes, sir. Q. Do you play at the Gooch Park courts? A. Yes, I play now. —95— Q. They have these Rubyco courts there haven’t they? A. That’s right. Q. They are the finest courts you can build aren’t they? A. It is nice. Q. Have you ever been denied the right to play there? A. No, sir, I haven’t. Alfred Haynes, Jr.—for Plaintiffs—Cross 36a Q. Have you ever had the notion to play tennis and not had the opportunity to play at Gooch Park! A. No, sir. Q. They are putting new lights up there now so you can play at night? A. Yes. Q. There is no charge? A. That’s right. Q. Are you familiar with the fact that if you play at John Eogers tennis courts there is an admission charge to play there? A. We didn’t get a chance to go. Q. Had you rather go five miles to play and pay forty cents to play than to play free close to home? A. Gooch wasn’t there then. Q. I am talking about the facilities there now. — 9 6 - Are you telling this court now that you had rather go five miles and pay forty cents to play than to go five blocks and play for free? A. It is nice if I go five blocks and play free, but Gooch wasn’t there when we went there. Q. I am talking about right now, Alfred, what is your position right now? A. I would rather go to Gooch and play. Q. I didn’t catch that, you had rather go to Gooch and play? A. Eight. Alfred Haynes, Jr.—for Plaintiffs—Cross 37a Harry Pierotti—for Defendants—Direct Hakky P ieeotti — 97— The said witness, having first been duly sworn, testified as follows: Direct Examination: Mr. Prewitt: You have already been sworn. The Court: Yes, he was sworn previously. Q. You are Harry Pierotti, Chairman of the Park Com mission, and you have already been sworn in this case? A. Yes. Q. How long have you been a member of the Memphis Park Commission? A. I have been a member of the Mem phis Park Commission since April 1947. Q. And how many members comprise the Memphis Park Commission? A. There are five members of the Commis sion. Q. How long have you been Chairman of the Memphis Park Commission? A. Since January 1, 1956. Q. And the Memphis Park Commission is charged with the responsibility or obligation of running the Memphis park system? A. That is correct. Q. The active management of the system, of course, is delegated to Mr. Lewis and other employees? A. That is correct. Q. Mr. H. S. Lewis is the operating head of the Memphis park system? A. That is correct. Q. How often does the Memphis Park Commission meet? 38a A. We have stated meetings once a month and if matters come up we call special meetings, which we often do, to make decisions on certain matters that come up between the stated meetings. Q. Now there has already been introduced in evidence a list of the various facilities the Park Commission is con nected with and I am not going into those on an indi vidual basis, but I just want to direct your attention to the Pink Palace Museum! A. Yes, sir. Q. Now are you familiar with the deed under which the City of Memphis acquired the Pink Palace Museum! A. — 99— I am. Q. Now is that owned by the City of Memphis! A. It is. Q. As a matter of fact all the parks are owned by the City of Memphis but operated by the Park Commission! A. That is correct. The Park Commission holds title to no real estate. Q. I believe you have in your hand a report which per tains to the title to the Pink Palace property, is that cor rect! A. That is correct. Q. Who prepared that! A. Mr. J. Seddon Allen. I would rather refer to it as a report and brief. Mr. Allen, at that time, was attorney for the Memphis Park Commis sion. Q. What precipitated the report and brief of Mr. Allen! A. I believe Mr. Allen’s report is dated February 5, 1959. What gave rise to the report was that in the latter part of 1958 Mr. Everett Woods, local architect and Chairman of the Museum in the Pink Palace, conferred with me and he in substance stated to me that the museum was in bad Harry Pierotti—for Defendants—Direct 39a physical condition and something should be done with refer ence to building a new museum. I invited Mr. Woods to come to the next Park Commis- — 100— sion meeting which was January 6, 1959 and to present his views. This is a matter of public record, and Mr. Woods did come and he advocated at that time that we appropriate a rather sizeable amount of funds to erect a new museum. We, of course, advised Mr. Woods that wTe did not have the funds with which to do anything like that and that we were certain the city would not give us those funds. He presented a letter in which he proposed that we sell the property where the museum is located, and the sur rounding acreage, since it would be perfect for a subdivi sion, and with that money we could erect a new museum. Mr. Allen was present at that meeting, as he was most of the time, just as you are now, and I asked Mr. Allen to give me an opinion as to whether or not it was possible for the city to sell this property, because I had no certain — 101- limitations of the property to the City. Mr. Allen, in com pliance with my request, at the next meeting of the Park Commission, sometime in February, 1959, reported to us and gave to me this Report and Summary of Titles to the Pink Palace, which is the museum property, and the sur rounding property held by the City for the museum and park purposes. In this report, which I will be very happy to make as an exhibit to my testimony, Mr. Allen traces the origin of the title in the City and sets out, not only the description, but the conditions and limitations incident to the title. Q. Mr. Pierotti, before you go any further, did Mr. Harry Pierotti—for Defendants—Direct 40a Everett Woods, who I believe was chairman of the Ad visory Board, Memphis Museum Committee—he wrote a letter to the Park Commission, didn’t he? A. Yes, he did, and I have a photostatic copy of that letter, which I believe is dated January 6,1959. Q. I have supplied counsel for the plaintiff’s with a copy of this letter, and I would like for you to make a photostat that you have in your hand Exhibit 1 to your testimony. A. I will be glad to do it. — 102— Q. Mr. Pierotti, without reading the whole letter, was the purport of the letter or the substance of the letter re quest on behalf of this committee that the museum property be sold? A. That’s correct. Q. And re-invested in another building? A. That is cor rect. Q. And, in response to that request by this Advisory Board, you asked Mr. Seddon Allen, Mr. J. S. Allen, to give you an opinion ? A. I did. Q. As to whether or not the City or the Park Commis sion could, in view of the title, convey this property? A. That is correct. Q. And do you have that opinion and report in your hand now? A. I do have it. Q. I will ask you to make that report and brochure Exhibit 2 to your testimony, and I have a full report, — 103— which I will just hand to the reporter and ask that it be marked, and I have supplied a copy of this to plaintiffs’ counsel. A. All right. Q. Mr. Pierotti, at the time Mr. Seddon Allen was asked to give this report, was there any question raised with Harry Pierotti—for Defendants—Direct 41a regard to the conditions in the deed of gift regarding race ? A. No, there was not. Q. Now, this opinion has to do solely with another mat ter, that is whether or not you could convey the property? A. That is correct. Q. And use it for purposes other than public park pur poses? A. That’s correct. Q. Now, does Exhibit 2 reflect Mr. Allen’s opinion with regard to whether or not the City could convey this prop erty on which the Pink Palace Museum is located? A. —104— It does. Q. And what was Mr. Allen’s opinion? A. To sum marize just briefly— rather to summarize his report, he wasn’t positive or wasn’t sure at all ust what we could do with this property and so advised both—I know the Park Commission, and possibly the City Commission to that effect—that there were certain conditions and limita tions in the deed of conveyance that if they were breached that there could possibly be a forfeiture to the original grantor or his heirs. Q. Now, this Exhibit No. 2 to your testimony contains a photocopy of the deed under which the City of Memphis acquired the museum property, does it not? A. It does. Q. And that’s of record in Book 1092, page 112, of the Register’s office of this County? A. That’s correct; and it was recorded on the 2nd day of August, 1926. —105— Q. Now, Mr. Pierotti, this deed has provisions C and D in it, does it not? A. It does. Q. As I stated, this deed is already a part of Exhibit 2, is it not? A. That’s correct. Q. And I will ust read a portion and ask you if this is Harry Pierotti—for Defendants—Direct 42a a portion of the deed which relates to the question we have now under consideration. C— Said building and grounds shall be devoted wholly — 106— and exclusively to public uses for the benefit of persons of the Caucasian race only and as a conservatory, art gallery, museum of art or natural history, and so forth. And I will ask you if Section D does not say this: In the event of a breach of either or any of the fore going covenants or conditions in any substantial par ticular and such breaches shall continue for a period of—I believe it is thirty days! A. Ninety days. Q. Ninety days after written notice to Memphis Park Commission or to the Commission—I can’t read the next word. A. And Mayor or chief officer. I think, perhaps, Mr. Prewitt, I could read it a little better. This seems to be clearer on my copy. Q. Mine is a photostat. Maybe vou had better pick it up. — 107— A. “ In event of breach of either or any of the foregoing covenants or conditions continuing for ninety days after written notice to Park Commission and City, Park Com mission and Mayor or Chief Officer for which forfeiture sought, then the foregoing dedication or conveyance shall be and become void at option of First Party or its assigns, and if breach not remedied within ninety days, Party of the First Part, or its assigns may re-enter and hold same as of former estate, with all additions and betterments, and so forth, provided forfeiture not permitted if such breach Harry Pierotti—for Defendants—Direct 43a is wholly discontinued or remedied within such period of ninety days.” I think that’s the pertinent part of the restrictions. Q. All right. So, Mr. Pierotti, with that provision in that deed-—and you are a lawyer, are you not, sir? A. Yes, sir. Q. I might say a very good one. A. I have a license to practice, let’s put it that way. Q. With that provision in that deed and no adjudications by the Courts of Tennessee as to the effect of opening up —1 0 8 - Pink Palace to negroes every day in the week, in your opin ion, would that be safe, a safe course to pursue without any adjudication by the Courts of Tennessee as to the effect of those provisions? A. I do not think it would be a safe course to pursue, based on what my own opinion about it is, and, of course, Mr. Allen’s opinion to me as Chairman of the Park Commission. Q. And you recognize that on matters of title, jurisdic tion is vested in the Chancery Courts of the State of Ten nessee? A. That’s correct. The Court: There is that clause in the deed. Would not there be other necessary parties to this phase of it? I have in mind the reversioners, if that is a right word. Would they not have an interest here, a right to concur in this proceeding? That just occurs to me. Mr. Prewitt: If Your Honor please, if not in this proceeding, then in a proceeding in the Chancery Court, which would have jurisdiction to determine — 109— the effect of this provision. Certainly they would have a right to be heard. Of course, our position is Harry Pierotti—for Defendants—Direct 44a that this deed provides for right of re-entry on the part of the original grantor or his assigns, and a possibility of a reverter on re-entry. We think there should be some adjudication by the Chancery Court of Shelby County before anything is done about that. The Court: Well, I didn’t mean to interrupt. That just occurred to me, that maybe that was something to consider, but you were about to ask a question, I believe. By Mr. Prewitt: Q. Now, Mr. Pierotti, Mr. Lewis has already introduced in evidence a list of parks, developed and undeveloped, and I believe there were some one hundred thirty-one. — 110— Q. One hundred thirty-one is right. Now, Mr. Pierotti, as Chairman of the Park Commission, are you familiar with the deeds under which these hundred and thirty-one parks were acquired! A. I am not. Q. In order to acquaint yourself with the provisions in the deeds, under which these one hundred and thirty-one parks were acquired, would you have to get an abstract on each one ? A. That’s correct, Q. And is that information available to any person? A. It is. Q. And, of course, to get an abstract, it requires con siderable expenditure of money? A. Yes, it does. Q. And if you went to check the title to a hundred and thirty-one separate parcels, of course you would have to have at least a hundred and thirty-one abstracts? A. That’s correct, sir. Harry Pierotti—for Defendants—Direct 45a Q. And you are not prepared to say whether parks which are not specifically mentioned in this lawsuit have any such - I l l - provisions as the Pink Palace deed'? A. I cannot say, Mr. Prewitt. When we acquire property, of course it is ex amined by title guaranty companies, and they only tell us at the end of the period of time that we owe so much money for any park that we acquire. Q. Are many of the parks out of this hundred and thirty- one acquired by gift? A. Yes, they are. Q. By people who desire to make gifts of land for public use ? A. That’s correct. Q. And, of course, in making a gift of land for public purposes, a grantor is free to put whatever restrictions or conditions he desires? A. We will accept them. Of course, he can make any condition that he wishes to make in the deed of gift. The Court: Are you telling us that you think there are restrictions in the deed in respect to some of these other parks ? A. Yes, that’s true. I can recall one just offhand, since I see Captain Chandler there—the Gooch property had cer- — 112- tain restrictions and limitations. That property was ac quired in the last two or three years. What they are, I do not know, but I do know there are certain conditions and limitations in that grant. By Mr. Prewitt: Q. That would be for negro use? A. That’s correct. Q. Mr. Gooch, of course, was a white benefactor? A. That’s true. Harry Pierotti—for Defendants—Direct 46a Q. Now, Mr. Pierotti, with reference to the Pink Palace Museum, is this your position that this Court should ab stain with reference to any ruling on that until the proper courts have had a chance to determine whether or not the City would lose that property if the relief here pleaded for were granted? A. That’s correct. Q. You have heard the testimony of Mr. Lewis that at the present time the Memphis Park System has fifty-eight white parks and twenty-five colored parks and twenty-five parks that are integrated or general? A. That’s correct. Q. Now, are you familiar or will you state to the Court — 113— whether or not in recent years the Park Commission has had a policy of opening up parks from time to time for use by all citizens? A. That’s true. Q. Now, how many zoos are there in Memphis? A. There is one. Q. Is that open to all citizens ? A. It is. Q. Operated by the Park Commission? A. That’s cor rect. Q. And was that formerly operated on a segregated basis? A. It was. Q. Prior to the latter part of 1960 I believe? A. I would say within the last six or eight months, yes, sir. Q. How many art galleries do you operate? A. There is only one. Q. Now, is that open to all citizens? A. It is. Q. And was it formerly operated on a segregated basis? A. It was. —114— Q. And I believe in March of this year it was opened to all citizens? A. Some time back it was, yes. Harry Pierotti—for Defendants—Direct 47a Q. Now, there is a lake known as McKellar Lake in Memphis, isn’t there ? A. Yes. Q. And the Park Commission operates a Boat Dock there? A. Yes, sir. Q. Is that the only Boat Dock that the Park Commission operates ? A. That’s true. Q. Is that open to all citizens regardless of race? A. It is. Q. And has that been done recently? A. Yes, sir. Q. Is that a part of the Park Commission’s plan, gradual plan to offer such facilities to members of both races? A. It is. Q. Now, what about your plan for the future, Mr. Pie rotti? Does the Park Commission plan to open up other facilities in the future? Have you evolved any plan with - l i b - regard to that? A. Mr. Prewitt, I think I can better ex press that if I would read the plan which we have evolved, so there won’t be any mistake about what our plan is for the immediate future. Q. All right, sir. Suppose you read that plan. A. (Bead ing) “Having heretofore, before the filing of this suit, pro vided twenty-one parks in the City on a non-segregated basis, and having recently removed restrictions at Overton Park Zoo, Art Gallery in Overton Park and the Boat Dock at McKellar Lake, the Park Commission, following a practice already adopted, has evolved the following plan and the following facilities will be open to all races without restrictions at the dates indicated. “ 1: The Fairgrounds Amusement Park at the conclu sion of the present year. Harry Pierotti—for Defendants—Direct 48a Harry Pierotti—for Defendants—Direct —116— “ 2: Pine Hill Golf Course will be done January 1st, 1962. “ Puller Golf Course, February the 1st, 1962. “ Riverside Golf Course, March 1st, 1962. “ Audubon Golf Course, January 1st, 1963. “ Douglas Golf Course, February 1st, 1963. “ Overton Park Golf Course, March 1st, 1963, and the Galloway Golf Course, January the 1st, 1964.” The Park Commission proposes to follow the foregoing schedule. This program, which is in line with the practices already developed and evolved by the Park Commission, may be accelerated, subject to many matters which the responsible officials of the Park Commission may consider from time to time. These include diverse conditions, such as main tenance of law and order, avoidance of confusion and tur moil in the community, efforts to provide maximum use of park facilities for all citizens regardless of race, revenue available from park concessions, together with a proper recognition of the legal rights of all citizens, white and negro, under state and Federal law. —117— This program of the Park Commission is not one based on any denial of any constitutional rights which either the negroes or whites may have, but so designed to provide maximum recreational facilities for the maximum number of Memphis citizens in the area where such citizens reside. This is our policy and our plan for the immediate future, Mr. Prewitt. Q. And is that what you expect to follow? A. It is. 49a Q. Mr. Pierotti, have you lived in Memphis all your life? A. Yes, I have. Q. If the Park Commission is not permitted discretion and leeway in determining the method and manner of re moving racial restrictions on public parks, do you feel that there will be turmoil and confusion in the community? A. I do, and I think probably bloodshed too, Mr. Prewitt. Q. Is this the desire of the Park Commission to deny rights, any constitutional rights, to any negro citizen of Memphis? A. There is not. Q. Now, after the Fairgrounds is opened, if this plan —118— is approved by the Court at the conclusion of this year and with reference to the Fairgrounds, may I digress just a minute— Does the Park Commission enter into contract with pri vate individuals for operation of concessions at the Fair grounds? A. They do. Q. Do you feel that it would be unfair to those people with whom you have contracted to change something in the middle of a year? A. Well, we think it would be. Q. Are you mindful of the legal rights of those people? A. Yes, we are. Q. Are you mindful of the fact that they are dependent upon revenue which they obtain from those concessions for their livelihood? A. Iam. Q. So, does your plan take cognizance of the legal rights of white people as well as negroes? A. Both races. Q. And you plan to open up the Fairgrounds at the end of this year? A. Yes, sir. —119— Q. Now, you have opened up the Zoo. That’s a City-wide facility, isn’t it? A. It is. Harry Pierotti—for Defendants—Direct 50a Q. The art gallery; that’s a City-wide facility? A. It is. Q. The McKellar Lake Boat Dock; that’s a City-wide facility? A. Yes, sir. Q. And the Fairgrounds Amusement Park; of course, that’s a City-wide facility? A. It is. Q. And by that, of course, we mean that there is only one in Memphis ? A. That’s correct. Q. So, all of those facilities will be opened to the colored people? A. They will. Q. Can you think of any other City-wide facilities that won’t be open to them, that is a facility where there is only one in town? A. No, I don’t know of any offhand, Mr. Prewitt. — 120— Q. So it is the Park Commission’s desire to make avail able all of those City-wide facilities to the negroes with all deliberate speed? A. Consistent with good relations with all the people and trying to avoid strife and turmoil, as you said, and possibly bloodshed. Q. Has Memphis been singularly blessed by the absence of turmoil up to this time on this race question? A. It has, and we hope to keep it that way, as far as the Park Commission is concerned. Q. Is that one of the policies of the Park Commission? A. It is. Q. Do you feel that’s one of your duties, Mr. Pierotti? A. It is ; to all of our people, white and black. Q. All right, sir. Let’s go to the golf courses. Your plan contemplates, as you have already read out, opening up all the golf courses on a three-year basis? A. Less than that; probably two-and-a-half-year basis. Q. There are seven golf courses in Memphis, are there not? A. There are. Harry Pierotti—for Defendants—Direct 51a Q. Has Mr. Lewis furnished you with a—before we go — 121— any further, I will make this plan of the Park Commission Exhibit 3 to your testimony. A. All right. Q. Now, let’s go to the golf courses. Mr. Pierotti, I don’t know whether you have seen this up-to-date statistical data with reference to the golf players in Memphis. A. I get this every month, but I don’t think I have gotten the one up to May 1st, 1961. Q. Well, we will introduce this by Mr. Lewis, but for the time being, I would like for you to refer to it. A. All right, sir. Mr. Prewitt: Mr. Reporter, I would like to ask you to mark this Exhibit 4, if you will. — 122— Q. Now, Mr. Pierotti, as indicated on this Exhibit No. 4, there are seven golf courses operated by the Memphis Park Commission at the present time? A. That is correct. Q. Now, of those seven, Fuller and Douglas have been used exclusively by the negroes up to the present time? A. That is right. Q. And the remaining five by members of the white race? A. That is correct. Q. Now, in 1960,1 notice there were 232,413 golf players? A. That’s correct. Q. And on the two colored courses I notice Douglas, 8,843, and Fuller, 4,020 players? A. That’s correct. Q. Or approximately 13,000 golf players out of a total of 232,413 ? A. That’s correct. - 1 2 3 - Attorney Hooks: If Your Honor please, I would like to interrupt just a minute and find out for what Harry Pierotti—for Defendants—Direct 52a purpose this testimony is being introduced. I don’t quite follow these figures on the attendance at the golf courses and that type of thing. Mr. Prewitt: We want to show, may it please the Court, that not only do the negro golfers in Memphis have adequate facilities at the present time, they are not using the facilities that are available to them, and the Court has some discretion on an equity mat ter of this sort, a motion for a Declaratory Judg ment, and they are asking for equitable relief, and in line with the Nashville case, on the Board of Edu cation case in Nashville, the Court must consider local conditions and the Court should consider the facilities that are available and determine what is in the best interest of all the people; so, we want to show what facilities are being offered now, to show —124— that this plan which has been evolved is a fair and equitable plan and show that the Park Commission is exercising good faith. That’s the substance of it. Mr. Hooks: I f Your Honor please, we would like to raise an objection to that, because that is not the premise our lawsuit is filed on. It’s filed on action by individual plaintiffs. We are not concerned with how many people are using the facilities. The point is that these people who have filed this lawsuit have been denied the use of these facilities. This is the theory of the lawsuit, and I can’t see that the figures on how many people use them or the economic laws on it are material to the issues before the Court. The Court: The Court has the impression from what has gone before in this trial and what is going on at this time that the Park Commission is propos Harry Pierotti—for Defendants■—Direct 53a ing to integrate, so to speak, these facilities, and is —1 2 5 - Offering a plan which they evidently contend is feas ible and fair and equitable, which will accomplish that, and so evidence of this type would be admis sible, the Court would think, with respect to any in junction that might be south in this case. Is that your position? Mr. Prewitt: Yes, sir, if Your Honor please, that’s our position, and we say this isn’t a case where any injunction ought to be issued, because the officials of the Memphis Park Commission have been acting in good faith and no injunction should lie. The Court: Are you proposing that the Court ap prove your suggested plan at this time ? Is that what you are proposing? Mr. Prewitt: Either that, Your Honor, or simply hold that the Park Commission officials have acted in good faith and having acted in good faith, there is - 1 2 6 - no grounds for the issuance of an injunction. As I understand the holdings in the Brown against Board of Education and in the Nashville case, the test is whether or not the local officials are acting in good faith. The Court: All right. If that is an objection, the objection is overruled. By Mr. Prewitt: Q. Mr. Pierotti, I believe when the objection was made, you had testified from the exhibits that there were ap proximately thirteen thousand negro golf players out of two hundred thirty-two thousand overall players last year? Harry Pierotti—for Defendants—Direct 54a A. That’s what the statement shows, Mr. Prewitt. Q. Approximately five percent of the golf players were using about thirty percent of the golf courses? A. Roughly, I think that’s about right. Q. And do you feel that the Park Commission has pro vided adequate golf facilities for every golf player in Memphis, regardless of his race? A. We do so feel that way, yes, sir. — 127— Q. Mr. Pierotti, do you feel that it is better on opening up all seven of the golf courses to do that on a stairstep basis? A. Very definitely. I am very definitely of the opinion that they should not all be opened up at one time. Q. Do you feel that the golf courses is an area which is less sensitive in this matter of race relations than some of the other areas? A. Yes, we do. Q. And have you given that a whole lot of thought? A. Not only have I, but the other members of the Commission have given this a long, hard look, and a lot of serious thought. This plan which we are evolving, and which we are asking the Court to approve is not one which was gotten up overnight. It was the result of a good many conferences with the members of my Commission and with other people. Q. And have you conferred with the law enforcing offi cials of Memphis? A. Among other people we have con ferred with the law enforcing officials and have gotten their opinion on the matter. — 128— Q. And by that I mean the police authorities? A. Yes, sir. Q. Now, Mr. Pierotti, as Chairman of the Memphis Park Commission, do you feel that you and the other members of the Commission and Mr. Lewis are in a better position Harry Pierotti—for Defendants—Direct 55a to determine what facilities should be opened up for use by all citizens than individual negroes or whites'? A. We think we are in a better position to make this determination, Mr. Prewitt, than any other citizen, negro or white. —129— Q. Now, in making your determination as to any given facility in the City on this question that we are concerned with, are there many matters which you feel must be con sidered? A. Yes, there are. Q. What about the necessity for extra supervisors and employees in the areas which you integrate? A. We feel that upon integrating any facility it of course involves ad ditional personnel to make the transition period a smooth one. Q. What about confusion or turmoil in the community? A. That is a very strong factor in our determination as to when and what facilities should be integrated. Q. Now, is Memphis— of course, 1 think the Court can take judicial notice of it, but is Memphis peculiarly located in the south? A. It is in this respect, that we are— as I recall, we are probably two-thirds white and one-third colored, or about thirty-five—maybe thirty-five to sixty-five. We are located in the southwestern corner of the State of Tennessee, with the State of Arkansas immediately across the river and the State of Mississippi within five or six —1 3 0 - miles to the south of the city limits of the City of Memphis. And we feel that the surrounding area is probably more colored than there are white. And that these people make use of our facilities. And that our people—white people and all, a great many in here from this surrounding terri tory, and in that respect we are peculiarly situated. Harry Pierotti—for Defendants—Direct 56a Q. And if this matter of recreational integration is car ried too fast, because of the peculiar location of Memphis and the surrounding area, and the percentage of colored people, do you feel you would have a local situation which could result in considerable turmoil if you are not per mitted to carry out the program the way you plan to do it? A. The Park Commission thinks so. Q. Now, what about the question of revenue from con cessions? Is that something that you have tried to consider, too? A. Well, of course that is also a factor. As Mr. Lewis has stated on his direct examination that about one-third of our budget we must earn that by the income from the facilities and other matters which we are operating for this function. —131— Q. Are you concerned— A. (Continuing) —Which is a very substantial amount of money, I believe somewhere in the neighborhood of three-quarters of a million dollars a year. Q. Are you concerned also with providing the citizens of Memphis, both black and white, with maximum recrea tional facilities? A. Yes, we are. Q. And can you do that, in your opinion, unless you are permitted some discretion as to how to go about this prob lem? A. That is correct. Q. Are you advised as to the number of children that participate in the Park Commission’s recreational program yearly? A. We estimate for the year 1961 it will be prob ably a million children who are taking advantage of the facilities of the Recreation Department of the Park Com mission. Q. And your experience is a third of that is colored? A. Our experience is a third of that is colored. Harry Pierotti—for Defendants—Direct 57a The Court: While you are on that subject, what does the plan include with respect to playgrounds —132— and community centers ? A. We have a plan on that, if the Court please, and I would rather for Mr. Hale, the Recreation Director there in the Park Commission— The Court: Well, that is— A. (Continuing) —Who is in better position to testify as to that than I am. Mr. Prewitt: Mr. Hale will testify, if Your Honor please. The Court: All right. This is not the full plan, then? A. No, sir. Mr. Prewitt: Mr. Hale has some matters that he will take up later. —1 3 3 - Cross Examination: Q. Mr. Pierotti, I believe you are the Chairman of the Park Commission, is that correct? A. That’s right. Q. And you are also a practicing attorney at the Mem phis and Shelby County Bar? A. That is correct, just as you are. Q. And how long have you been practicing in Memphis? A. Since 1933. Q. Since 1933. And I believe you have answered some questions on . the basis of your legal knowledge as well as Harry Pierotti—for Defendants—Cross 58a the basis of being on the Park Commission? A. That is right, together with the advice which we obtain from our attorney. Q. Mr. Pierotti, the matter of this deed to the Pink —1 3 4 - Palace, there is some talk of a revertal clause. Has any investigation been made as to who the grantors or his as signs are at this time? A. I am sure there is. Mr. Gianotti: I think it is in the report, if Your Honor please. It is in the report. A. (Continuing) It is probably in Mr. Allen’s report to us, which I think you have a copy of there, which is made an exhibit to my testimony. Q. Do you know what that report says about that? A. Don’t recall offhand, but I am sure, though,— Q. Do you know who the grantor is in this? Mr. Prewitt: Well, the deed will speak for itself, Your Honor please, who the grantor is. A. The grantor was Garden Communities Corporation, a corporation organized under the laws of the State of Ken tucky. Q. Do you know whether that corporation exists now? A. No, I don’t. Q. So you have no knowledge whatsoever of whether anyone is asserting this right of forfeiture contained in the —1 3 5 - deed? A. It would be safe to assume somebody would claim that valuable piece of property out there. Q. So you yourself will not be able to say as to when that corporation'—as to whether or not this corporation is Harry Pierotti—for Defendants—Cross 59a still in existence? A. I can tell you personally I do not know. Q. You didn’t know of your own knowledge? A. I can tell you personally I do not know. Q. You haven’t examined— A. I haven’t examined. Q. Is that covenant in fact being breached at the present time ? A. In my opinion it is not. Q. Is there a day for negroes at the Pink Palace? A. I think it is Tuesday for negroes. Q. Does the deed require occasional use only? A. I think that is purely incidental and a minor factor which the grantors have not taken advantage of. Q. Maybe you don’t understand my language. You feel that this deed is being breached now? A. No, I don’t. — 136— Q. No? A. Because it is not in general use by people other than the Caucasian race. Q. Well, don’t the conditions say that it would be used by Caucasians only? Is that not the condition contained in the deed? A. That is the condition of the deed. Q. So that is not being followed by the Park Commis sion ? A. That is not being strictly followed at this time. Q. Now, there has been no investigation made as far as you know, as Chairman of the Park Commission, as to whether or not there is in existence now this corporation that deeded this property in 1926? A. I have no personal knowledge of that. Perhaps Mr. Allen may tell you. I don’t know. Q. Has there been any complaint made by the grantor about negroes using this place on Tuesday? A. Well, there has not been made to me as Chairman of the Park Commission. Harry Pierotti—for Defendants—Cross 60a Q. You have no official knowledge of any complaint? A. I have not. Q. (Continuing) —Being made. Of course, are you aware of how many deeds that the City has containing any restrictive covenant based upon use by others than— A. I don’t have that information; no, I do not. — 137— Q. I believe your testimony is that twenty-five parks are integrated? A. Twenty-one, I think. Q. Twenty-one. Do any of those parks have— Were they by gift? A. No, to my knowledge they do not have any restrictions or limitations. Q. Then the twenty-one parks are being used in an inte grated manner— they do not have any restrictive conditions therein? A. That is my understanding. Q. That leaves one hundred and ten other facilities be sides those twenty-one; is that correct? A. Roughly about one hundred and thirty now. Q. Roughly about one hundred and thirty now. One hun dred and ten out of one hundred and thirty? A. That is right. Q. Of the hundred and ten, about how many have restric tive deeds— restrictive clauses dealing with use by others— A. As I told you a minute ago, I do not know. Q. Does the Park Commission have any type record on this in the file? A. To my knowledge they do not, —138— Q. There is no record kept, as you—as far as you know? A. As far as I know, they don’t have that. Q. Do you know of any other park other than the Pink Palace, which you have answered on this, which is covered by the memorandum prepared by Mr. Allen that has any clause with revertal in the event it is used by other than Harry Pierotti—for Defendants—Cross 61a of the Caucasian race ? A. Yes, there is Gooch Park, which I mentioned a while ago, has a reverter clause in it if used by anybody other than colored people. Q. As an attorney, Mr. Pierotti, are you familiar with the Supreme Court ruling in the Gerard College case in Philadelphia? Do you feel the Park Commission has a legal right to operate a park under a covenant restricting its use to certain—to a certain race? A. Well, there were two decisions in the Gerard case, I think. One was, as I recall it, that you could not, and the later I think there was some confusion and they said they could. Am I correct on that? I am not as up on this racial law as probably you are. Q. Was the decision, as far as you recall, that the City or State—no agency of the State or City could operate— — 139 A. That is my recollection, yes. Q. And the City and State could not use that—that prop erty as long as the City or State agency had any control? A. That is my recollection. The City of Philadelphia, I understand. Q. In other words, the City had to divest itself to keep anyone out? A. That is correct. Q. Is that the case ? A. I think so. Q. In the event that some discussion here—and only ask it because the question was raised in direct examination,— that should be found, in other things, that the law is clear that the City Park Commission would not be involved— they could not operate under present law any park with covenants restricting use of the land? A. I just give you my opinion. I think you are correct in your interpretation of the law. Q. Now, Mr. Pierotti, at these integrated parks have Harry Pierotti—for Defendants—Cross 62a there been great incidents of violence ? A. In the integrated parks there has not. Q. What leads yon to believe there would be disorder, if — 140— twenty-one integrated, what leads you to think there might? A. I tell you what leads me to believe that. Every time a facility of the Park Commission is open to all races, I per sonally receive a large number of anonymous letters and telephone calls to my home from white people in which they excoriate me. And why they pick me I don’t know. But for a time because—well, there has been threats to me personally about integrating these parks. And I am of the opinion that with Memphis’ peculiar location we may have bloodshed here. Let me say this, let me say this to you that as far as I am personally concerned, I am going to abide by the rules of this court or get off the Park Commission, because I want no incidents here like they have had in other parts of the south. And I believe that we can live better as a people if you permit us to desegregate these things on a gradual basis. Because there is not any facility that is operated by the City, although perhaps not as close—the nearest to home, that is, but there is not a facility that a colored per son can’t take advantage of as well as the whites. Q. Now, I am concerned with your phrase “ with the - 1 4 1 - peculiar position of Memphis” . I don’t quite follow you on “with the peculiar position of Memphis” . A. By that I mean with the surrounding territory is predominantly colored. Q. Do you think that because they are colored they would promote violence? A. I think so. Q. You say that because there are a lot of negroes who Harry Pierotti—for Defendants—Cross 63 a live around Memphis to open the parks that in and of itself would.promote violence? A. I think because of our peculiar location I think it would. Q. What about our peculiar location. I don’t get wThat— you just say peculiar location. A. I think Memphis is singularly located. By that I mean we are surrounded by communities that are predominantly colored, in my opinion. I think over in Arkansas, perhaps Crittenden County there close you will find predominantly colored. I think they are predominantly colored. I believe Desoto County down in Mississippi, Fayette County and Tipton County in Ten nessee. Q. You think are going to come here and start fights or violence? A. No, I don’t say that. I hope not. — 142— But by just having your predominance of the population are colored, and I think it would have a bad effect to open up all the parks in the community, all the facilities in the community in the park system. I think it -would. Q. Then other than the people who—the neighboring towns and all the spots close to Memphis,—where taxes are paid to maintain these parks,—but surrounding communi ties outside of Memphis? A. I am basing it on what I think would happen in the event every facility in the park system is desegregated at one time. Q. Are you saying that you think white people in this community would promote violence? A. I would say that it would be on the part of both people in this community. Q. And the peculiar location,-—-when you say the peculiar location of Memphis? A. But I think this is a situation which I think would be bad. Q. You think that the people in this community and the Harry Pierotti—for Defendants—Cross 64a surrounding community are more ignorant than people in these other—in other communities? A. I don’t say that. I think people would feel maybe different. —143— Q. Are they more prejudiced? Is that what you mean? A. They possibly could be. ■ Q. Are they more prone to violence than the people would be in other communities ? A. I don’t say that. Q. Contrasting Memphis with Nashville, do you think Memphis could not open up its parks as Nashville did? A. I went to school in Nashville. First, I think the popula tion—maybe not as great a percentage of white and colored. And got a different element of people in Nashville than us. Got very few people from Arkansas and Mississippi'—got very few people from Arkansas in Nashville and got very few people from Mississippi in Nashville. Q. You say because of this, the Arkansas and Mississippi, — is there something peculiar about people from Arkansas and Mississippi to make them more prejudiced in the mat ter? A. I wouldn’t say that. Just say you have a different feeling than the people of middle Tennessee have. Q. Does it involve racial prejudice? A. Correct, or one thing I think towards promoting violence here quicker than —144— it would in Nashville. Q. But your statement is—has there been any bloodshed because of the integration of the twenty-five parks you mentioned already to this date ? A. No, because we are tak ing it on a gradual basis. That is why we—relations have been good. Q. Now, you have stated in your direct examination that the Park Commission has conferred with the members of the Commission, with the police authorities and with other Harry Pierotti—for Defendants—Cross 65a people in relation to this question of desegregation. Is that right ? And— A. That is correct. Q. Have you conferred with any negroes on the ques tion? A. Yes, I think some. I have forgotten the name of the group. We met with them several weeks ago. There was a negro minister present. I have forgotten—I think he is a professor at Lemoyne College. Q. What was the discussion? Was it about the question of desegregation? A. About the question of desegregation of parks. Mr. Prewitt: That was Professor Nichols. Mr. Gianotti: Eeverend Nichols. Q. That is his name ? Mr. Prewitt: That is what he suggested, to open - 1 4 5 - up this on a gradual program ? A. It is my recollection it was. Q. Mr. Pierotti, I notice this plan you had presented deals with golf courses. And I believe statement has been made the question herein also goes—deals with some other aspects, is that correct ? A. That is correct. Q. Is the plan—as Chairman of the Park Commission do you have knowledge of whether or not there is a plan to desegregate all public facilities in the City of Memphis? A. Eventually, yes. Q. Do you have an idea of how long that eventuality is? A. No, we do not have. Q. In particular, Glenview Park and Gaston Community Center? A. We have not discussed particularly any park. Q. You have not discussed parks in particular, only dis Harry Pierotti—for Defendants—Cross 66a cussed golf courses in particular! A. As a starter, that is correct. Q. Without going into the detail, do you have general knowledge of what Mr. Hale is going to discuss! A. No. As a matter of fact, I talked to him very briefly about it. Q. With reference to formulation by the Park Commis- — 146- mission, or formulation by Mr. Hale, that is— A. I be lieve Mr. Hale’s formulation—he can’t formulate unless we can approve it. Q. He has, Mr. Pierotti, his plan, then, and you approve, I guess? A. He has spoken to me and I think it is all right. Q. Generally what does he cover? A. Recreation. Q. Does that cover parks, neighborhood parks, the facili ties? A. That is correct. Q. Does it cover all one hundred and one parks operated by the Park Commission in the City? A. No, it does not. Q. Are you at liberty to say the area it does not cover? A. Well, for instance, Mr. Hale has nothing to do with the zoo. He has nothing to do with the Art Gallery. He has nothing to do with the Museum. He has nothing to do with several other things that do not— Q. What is his—what field does he cover? A. Recrea tion. Q. And by recreation, does that include parks like Gas- — 147- ton Park? A. It would include Gaston Park, yes. Q. With reference to Gaston and Glenview Park, have they been discussed as possible target dates for desegrega tion ? A. Not that I know of. Q. Are you familiar with, Mr. Pierotti, with legal au thorities dealing with loss of revenue and the threat of Harry Pierotti—for Defendants—Cross 67a violence as it affects the question of desegregation of facili ties f A. In a general way, yes. Q. In a general way. And you are familiar with the fact that it has been held that loss of finances— —148— Q. Mr. Pierotti, is the plan of the Park Commission based, Mr. Pierotti, on the levelling off of economic loss? A. That is just one of the factors. Q. That is one of the factors, the levelling off of eco nomic losses. Is the plan of the Park Commission partially based on the possibility of threat of violence? A. That is another factor. Q. Are other factors in considering the plan? A. Sub stantially, these are the two main factors, I believe, of the group. Q. Then you are aware that neither of these factors are legal and valid for presentation of a plan? —149— Mr. Prewitt: I object to that. A. I suppose we— Mr. Prewitt: The Court has suggested about legal argument. I don’t agree with you, but we can argue the law later, whether or not these are proper fac tors. The Court: Mr. Pierotti has testified a considera tion of these things entered into the plan here. And since that is the case, the Court will permit some cross-examination along those lines. The Witness: Suppose you read it back. (The last question was read again by the reporter, as requested.) Harry Pierotti—for Defendants—Cross 68a A. I am aware of the fact that those are things that should be consideerd by the Court in determining whether or not this plan should be approved. — 150— Q. Is it your opinion, then, Mr. Pierotti, that the Park Commission has a right to ask this Court to approve the plan? A. Yes, I think this Court has the right to approve a plan. Q. Now, in reference to these figures on the users of the golf courses— of the golf players that have been prepared, do you have a copy of that ? A. Yes. Q. I believe that Douglass Park was opened in ’52; is that correct? How long— A. It so states here, that is correct. Q. And prior to that time, as far as you know, were any provisions made for negro golfers in Memphis, Shelby County, Tennessee? A. Yes, they had about a seven hole golf course out at Lincoln Park. Q. How long had they been in operation? Do you know? A. It was open when I got there, when I came on the Park Commission, best of my recollection be 1947. Q. And noticing those figures, has there been somewhat of an increase in the number of Douglass Park users for the time it has been in operation? A. Well,— —151— Q. Three thousand something the first year ? A. I would say as a whole— as a matter of fact, for 1960 Douglass Park had its worst year since ’55. Q. And then you had Fuller Park also, did you? A. Yes, sir. You asked me particularly about Douglass. Q. That I understand. I am not contradicting your statement. But didn’t you have Fuller Park in 1958? A. Harry Pierotti—for Defendants—-Cross 69a The Fuller Park was operated—I think it opened in ’58. I think I drove the first hall off tee at Fuller Park. Q. In ’60 the two parks, could use these figures, twelve thousand negroes—golfers using the course, is that right? A. That is correct. Q. In 1952, according to your statement, the first year when Douglass was first opened, you only had three thou sand approximately eight hundred negro golfers, is that correct? A. In 1952? Attorney Hooks: Yes. A. That is correct. Q. So that there has been a gradual increase of golfers as facilities have been made available. Would that be a fair - 1 5 2 - inference made from that statement? A. That is true. Q. Is it your testimony here that negroes do not use the golf courses as much as whites use them, is that untrue? A. I think that—I would say that is true, they do not use them as much. Q. Do you think the availability of golf courses has had anything to do with that? A. Very little. I f a fellow wants to play golf he will find a place to play. Q. Now, Mr. Pierotti, I believe you stated that as far as you know you have no present knowledge of any of the one hundred thirty-one facilities that the Park Commission operates having this reverter clause, none except the one that you discussed here, the Pink Palace, is that correct? A. That is the only one that has been called directly to our attention, and that was called to our attention not by virtue of—let me say, not by virtue of the fact that we opened up the facilities, but, as I said, because Mr. Allen was asked to give an opinion on another matter. Harry Pierotti—for Defendants—Cross 70a Harry Pierotti—for Defendants—Cross —153— Q. As a member of the Park Commission, as Chairman, you are, you have stated that you are willing to follow what the Court says in this matter? A. I certainly am. Q. And you do not know in detail the facilities that are in the plan of the Park Commission for desegregation. In relation to John Rogers Tennis Court, do you know about that specifically? A. What is it you want to know about it ? I know about the John Gaston Tennis Court, yes. Q. John Rogers. A. John Rogers, yes. As I said in my statement, we hope to accelerate these facilities, and we will re-evaluate them from time to time, re-evaluate the conditions and the factors that I testified to a moment ago. Q. Has there been a plan for additional reviewing of negroes at the Pink Palace? A. No, there has not been, because of this possible reverter. Q. If Your Honor please, I would like to direct a ques tion to the witness through the Court. — 154— I would like to know the time that Mr. Pierotti plans to be back in Memphis. A. I will be back Sunday evening, no later than 9 :00 o ’clock Sunday. Attorney Hooks: I believe that is all. The Court: You are through? Attorney Hooks: Yes. If Your Honor please, the reason I hesitate is that so many parts of this plan have not been presented, and until the officers are in position to present it, we are not in position, actually, to know what the totality of it is, and if the other members and other 71a officers know all this, I guess we wTon’t have to call Mr. Pierotti to the stand, and I would like to ask that question. I hope that Your Honor understands what I am trying to say. They have only presented a portion of the plan. The Court: Is this a business trip you are taking? The Witness: Yes, it is. It’s a director’s meeting, —155— which was set many months ago, before this lawsuit was set, as a matter of fact. By Attorney Hooks: Q. Do you feel, Mr. Pierotti, that the other members of the Commission and employees of the Park Commission will be in position to answer all the questions? A. I am sure that Mr. Lewis and Mr. Hale can answer any question, possibly better and with more clarity than I can. Q. They know more about it, as a mater of fact? A. As a matter of fact, they do. I am not a paid employee. I am supposed to get a dollar a year, but they are about six years delinquent in paying me that dollar. We make policy. We don’t carry out the details of the policy. —156— Redirect Examination: Q. Mr. Pierotti, on the reasons which counsel for the plaintiffs asked you about, that is why you evolved this plan, I will ask you if you are mindful of providing maxi mum recreational facilities for all of the people? A. For all of our people, that’s right, sir. Q. And do you feel that this gradual program is neces sary in order to accomplish that objective? A. That’s right, sir. Harry Pierotti—for Defendants—Redirect 72a H. S. Lewis—for Defendants—Direct Q. And if you are forced into a situation where you have to do it right now, will it affect the recreational facilities available to all of our people? A. It will, and I am sure Mr. Hale can elaborate on that. Q. And you want to keep them going at maximum speed? A. For all of our people, yes. Q. And it is so set out in this written plan that is Exhibit 4 to your testimony? A. It is. Mr. Prewitt: That is all. -159— H. S. L ewis The next witness, having been previously duly sworn, testified as follows: Direct Examination: Q. Mr. Lewis, I believe you were sworn yesterday? A. Yes, sir, that’s right. Q. How long have you been Superintendent or Director of the Memphis Park System? A. Just slightly less than sixteen years. Q. And that is the last sixteen years ? A. Right, sir. Q. During that period of time you have been the operat- —160— ing head of the Memphis park system? A. Yes, sir. Q. That includes the various parks, playgrounds, golf courses and other facilities you mentioned yesterday? A. Yes, sir. Q. Now has this park system grown since you became the head it it ? A. Considerably, yes. 73a Q. New parks have been added every year? A. That’s right. Q. It has more or less maintained its growth with the City of Memphis ? A. Eight. Q. As we all are aware, in the last sixteen years the City of Memphis has grown considerably! A. That’s right. Q, It has added about 150,000 people. Now what, if you know, is the approximate ratio or per centage of negroes to whites in the city of Memphis! A. Thirty-seven percent. A. A little over one-third of the people in Memphis are colored! A. Eight. —161— Q. That is taken, I believe, from the last census? A. Eight, sir. Q. Now yesterday you introduced into evidence several documents which showed the names of various parks and facilities which are either owned by the City of Memphis and operated by the Park Commission, or owned by others and operated by the Park Commission? A. Yes, sir. Q. Now taking these facilities more or less one at a time, I want to address your attention first to the golf courses. I believe that you stated there are seven golf courses in the city of Memphis that are operated by the Park Commis sion? A. That is correct. Q. And Mr. Pierotti introduced in evidence a sheet, Ex hibit 4, which I believe was compiled by you showing the number of golf players in the city of Memphis during the last ten years ? A. Eight. Q. And is that Exhibit 4 an accurate statement of golf players on the different courses? A. Yes, it was taken —162— E. S. Lewis—for Defendants—Direct directly from our daily records. 74a Q. Now as indicated by this statement the number of colored players in 1960 was approximately five percent of the total golf players in the city of Memphis? A. That’s right. Q. Are you a golfer yourself? A. Yes, of sorts. Q. Have you played on all the public courses in the city of Memphis? A. Yes, sir. Q. And you are familiar with all the white and colored golf courses? A. Yes, sir. Q. What is the best golf course in Memphis? A. The best one is Fuller. Q. That is for negro use? A. Eight. Q. Is it potentially one of the best courses in the United States? A. It is potentially so. Q. Is it being developed toward that potential? A. It is. — 163— Q. You heard Mr. Pierotti testify with regard to the plans for opening all the golf courses to both the colored and white races to all players? A. Yes, sir. Q. Beginning in 1962? A. Eight. Q. From your experience in dealing with golfers, and as operating head of the Park Commission, and from stud ies made in other cities, do you believe this plan evolved by the Park Commission to open up the golf courses is one that is least likely to cause confusion and turmoil, and to maintain golf facilities so a maximum number of people in Memphis, both of the white and negro race, can use them? A. I do, sir. Q. To your knowledge has any colored person in Mem phis ever been denied the right to play golf on either Fuller or Douglas golf courses? A. They have not. Q. Fuller is in South Memphis? A. Yes. Q. The southwestern portion of Memphis? A. Eight. II. 8. Lewis—for Defendants—Direct 75a H. 8. Lewis— for Defendants—Direct — 164— Q. Douglas is in the northern portion of Memphis, is that right? A. Yes, sir. Q. Now, so much for the golf courses, but one other ques tion. Do you feel, Mr. Lewis, as managing head of the Park Commission, that it would be unwise to attempt to open all the golf courses to both races at the same time? A. I cer tainly do. Q. Have you discussed this matter with the police au thorities of Memphis? A. I have. Q. Have you made a study of recreational facilities of other cities in the country, including the south? A. I have. Q. Based on all of your studies and your experience as operating head of the Memphis park system, that is for the last sixteen years, in your opinion is that the best plan? A. I think it is, in my opinion. Yes. Q. Now I want to go to the Fairgrounds Amusement Park. Is the Fairgrounds Amusement Park operated by the Park Commission except for a period when the Mid-South - 1 6 5 - Fair holds its fair? A. It is. Q. Is the amusement park open all the year around? A. No, it is open only in the spring and summer months. Q. Now does the Park Commission grant concession rights for certain amusement devices in the amusement park? A. Amusement devices and game and food conces sions. Q. And those— the rental on those is based on a percent age of the gross receipts? A. In most cases. Q. And the equipment or amusement devices in many cases are owned by individual persons? A. Right. 76a Q. Are there many such persons in the Fairgrounds Amusement Park who own and operate their own devices and have contracted with the Park Commission? A. Quite a number. Q. Do you know whether or not many of these people depend solely on the resources from these as their only means of livelihood? A. They do. Q. Do you feel it would be unwise to attempt to change any policy with reference to the Fairgrounds Amusement - 166- Park in the middle of the year? A. It would be very defi nitely bad. Q. In your opinion would it affect the contract rights and revenue of these people who have contracted with the Park Commission? A. It would definitely affect their revenue. Q. Do you feel it would be fair to these people to change a system which has gone on for many years in the middle of a season? A. It would not, in my opinion. Q. You heard Mr. Pierotti state that it is part of the plan to remove all restrictions in the amusement park at the end of this year ? A. Eight. Q. In your opinion is that a wise policy for the Park Commission to pursue? A. It is. Yes. Q. Is there only one amusement park operated by the Park Commission? A. At present, yes. Q. Of course at the Zoo there are certain rides and amusement devices? A. That is correct. — 167— Q. As testified by Mr. Pierotti, the Overton Park Zoo has already— all restrictions about admittance of colored as well as white has been removed? A. Eight. Q. So that both races may be admitted to the Overton Park Zoo at any time the Zoo is open? A. Eight. H. 8. Lewis—for Defendants—Direct 77a Q. And that restriction was voluntarily removed by the Park Commission in December of 1960? A. The day after Thanksgiving, 1960. Q. And the art gallery in Overton Park, the restriction there was likewise removed a few months ago on a volun tary basis? A. Eight. Q. And the restrictions with reference to the use of Park Commission facilities at McKellar Lake were removed voluntarily? A. Eight. Q. Now are there any other facilities operated by the Park Commission such as the Zoo, art gallery, amusement park, McKellar Lake boat dock and such, which I referred to yesterday as city-wide facilities, which are not available —168— to all the races ? A. Not to my knowledge. Q. So that the Park Commission has made available all facilities to both races in the city of Memphis without any discrimination. A. Yes. Q. Now let us go to the individual parks which you testified to yesterday. I believe there are some one hundred thirty-one parks, but approximately twenty-three or so have not been de veloped ? A. Eight. Q. When you say it has not been developed you mean it is raw land to which no use has been put? A. To the present time. Yes. Q. Has it been the policy of the Park Commission over the years to acquire land for future development? A. It has. Q. So that—in other words it has been the policy of the Park Commission to acquire land before the area around it is developed? A. Eight. II. S. Lewis—for Defendants—Direct 78a Q. That way it is less expensive. I mean, the land can be acquired at less expense by the city? A. That is correct. — 169— Q. Let’s turn our attention to the parks that have been developed. I believe that number is a little over a hundred? A. Eight. Q. Mr. Lewis, there has been alleged in this complaint that the Park Commission has operated the park system so as to discriminate against negroes, and that the facili ties offered negroes in the Memphis park system have been disproportionate to the number of negroes that live in Mem phis, and I want to go over that with you just a minute. First of all, I want to ask you if the city of Memphis— if, in the city of Memphis, the races are separated housing wise? A. They are separated housing wise by neighbor hoods. Yes, sir. — 170— Q. And do the races, for the most part, in the City of Memphis live in neighborhoods which are either totally or predominantly negro or white, as the case may be? A. Yes, sir. Q. Now, the various parks which you mentioned yester day, are they or not in practically every instance neighbor hood parks? A. They are. Q. And where you say that the park is white in character, in practically every instance, is such park in a neighbor hood which is totally or predominantly white? A. In prac tically every case, yes. Q. And has it been the policy of the Park Commission over the years to make available neighborhood parks to each race, based upon the character of the neighborhoods? A. It has. H. 8. Lewis—for Defendants—Direct 79a Q. And if a neighborhood is predominantly or totally negro, has it been the policy of the Park Commission to offer that facility to the negroes? A. It has. — 171— Q. And, conversely, to the whites, where the situation is reversed? A. It has. Q. Now, has the City of Memphis, over the years that you have been the operating head of the Park Commission, insofar as neighborhoods are concerned, been a static situ ation, or has there been a changing situation? A. There has been a changing situation in several neighborhoods. Q. And as neighborhoods change, as they change from white to colored or vice versa, has the Park Commission tried to stay on top of that change and to recognize it so as to provide facilities for the people who live in the im mediate neighborhoods? A. They have. Q. Now, at the present time, Mr. Lewis, has such a change been under consideration by the Park Commission in view of the changing character of the neighborhoods around these parks—DeSoto, Bellevue, John Gaston with community center, Brinkley, Malone with swimming pool, and Riverside Playgrounds? A. There has been. —172— Q. And in your opinion, as operating head of the Park Commission, will those parks in the near future, in con formance with your practice, be opened up for use by the negroes? A. It is my opinion it would be necessary. Q. Your answer is yes? A. Yes. Q. One of the witnesses yesterday, I believe, testified with reference to John Gaston Park. I believe she said she took her eight children down there. I have forgotten what the witness’ name was, but she testified on the stand. That is one of the parks to which you refer, is it not? A. Right. H. S. Lewis—for Defendants—Direct 80a Q. And is that park in a neighborhood which is showing a change as to race! A. That has been changing the past several years, yes. Q. And have you tried in operating the park system to recognize those changes, so as to provide facilities for as many negroes as possible? A. We have. Q. Now, to recapitulate, at the present time there are fifty-eight white parks and twenty-five colored parks and —173— twenty-five parks that are open to both races without any restrictions? A. Eight. Q. And that present ratio, of course, will be changed as these neighborhoods change and these parks which we just mentioned are opened to negroes and restrictions removed so that they may use those parks? A. That ratio will change, yes. Q. Now, swimming pools—there are ten in the City of Memphis, five for white and five for colored? A. Right. Q. And this Malone Park is one of the parks on the list here that we mentioned that is in a neighborhood which is changing? A. Yes, sir. Q. And if that is changing, it will be six to four? A. Right. Q. So that the colored people will have sixty percent of the pools? A. That is correct. Q. Although only thirty-seven percent of the population. Do you consider that discriminating against the colored —1 7 4 - people in providing less facilities? A. Certainly not. Q. Now, on playgrounds operated on property not owned by the Park Commission, I believe you mentioned some fifty-six instances—in some cases they are owned by churches? A. Right. H. 8. Lewis—for Defendants—Direct 8 1 a Q. Various churches, Catholic, Protestant and Jewish? A. Right. Q. And the Park Commission works with those organiza tions, do they? A. They work for them to provide neigh borhood playgrounds. Q. Both colored and white? A. Yes, sir. Q. As well as with the various schools? A. Right. Q. Colored and white? A. Right. Q. And I believe you mentioned that there were thirty instances of playgrounds where the facilities were white and twenty-six for colored? A. Right. — 175— Q. Do you consider that is discriminating against the colored people in providing facilities for their recreational use? A. I do not. Q. Now, community centers—I believe you said there were twelve on Park property, eight for white and four for colored, and, of course, if your recommendation or opinion is followed out in the near future, the Gaston Community Center will be opened for colored use? A. Right. Q. And that would change the ratio from seven to five! A. Right. Q. And, of course, we have already mentioned the golf courses where your plan is to, on a gradual basis, make all of those available to all the citizens without any restric tions at all? A. Right. Q. Now, Mr. Lewis, the recreational director of the Mem phis Park Commission is Mr. Marion Hale, is that right? A. Yes. Q. And he is charged with the obligation of heading the recreational department under your general supervision? —176— H. 8. Leivis—for Defendants—Direct A. Right. 82a Q. Now, how many children make use of the recreational facilities operated by the Memphis Park Commission! A. Approximately a hundred thousand. Q. And of that number, I take it, approximately a third or thirty-five percent are colored? A. Eight. Q. And has it been your practice to provide to those colored children some thirty-five thousand maximum recre ational facilities ? A. It has. Q. And do you offer to those colored children the same recreational facilities and training that you offer to the white children! A. We do. Q. What about the supervisors, the people that train the children, colored children, are they on the same pay scale as everybody else ? A. Exactly. Q. Their educational background and requirements, is that equal to or above that of the whites ? A. It is. — 177— Q. And do you feel, Mr. Lewis, that in order to provide maximum recreational facilities to those thirty-five thou sand negro children that this program which Mr. Pierotti spoke about yesterday should be approved so as to allow you some discretion in this field of integration? A. I do, sir. Q. Now, if you are forced to integrate this great system that you and others have built up over the years, in your opinion, will it affect these negro children, result in a denial to them of the recreational facilities that you have built up for them over the years? A. I don’t see how it can help but affect them. Mr. Prewitt: Yes. The Court: You mean if forced to do it now, is that what you mean ? H. 8. Lewis—for Defendants—Direct 83a Q. If you are forced to integrate all of these recreational facilities, in your opinion, Mr. Lewis, based on your deal ings with white and negro alike, would that result in a denial to these thirty-five thousand negro children of sub stantial recreational facilities which they have been en joying? A. In my opinion, it will, yes. Q. Why do you think that is true, Mr. Lewis, and I — 178— will ask you first if you are forced into that situation now without being able to exercise any discretion of your own, would you have to have more or less supervisors and in structors? A. You would have to have considerably more. Q. What about policemen to patrol the various play grounds and parks? A. In my opinion, we would have to have considerably more policemen. Q. Since opening up the Zoo, have you had to increase the police protection there? A. We have. Q. And if every other facility in Memphis were opened up, in your opinion, would it also have to be increased? A. It would. Q. And would that or not be a burden upon all the people of the City of Memphis? A. It would be a tremendous burden, yes. Q. In your opinion, Mr. Lewis, is it going to take con siderable time and a whole lot of patience and understand ing for you and the other people who head the Park Com mission to try to work out this problem of racial integration - 1 7 9 - in the public parks? A. It will, quite a bit. Q. Is it your desire to offer to every negro child in Memphis the same treatment, the same facilities that are offered to the white people ? A. That is what we try to do to the best of our ability. H. S. Lewis—for Defendants—Direct 84a Q. And is that the established policy of the Park Com mission? A. That is the policy, yes. Q. Now, Mr. Lewis, have yon worked with children quite a bit in your capacity as head of the Park Commission! A. I have. Q. And the Park Commission is necessarily closely re lated and deals closely with many children, as you men tioned, about a hundred thousand? A. Right. Q. If the recreational program of the Memphis Park Commission is impaired by forced integration, what effect, in your opinion, would that have on these thirty-five thou sand negro children and sixty-five thousand white children? A. We would have to, under the present budget, reduce the —ISO- number of playgrounds drastically in order to give them full protection. Q. And would that, or not, result in a denial of recre ational facilities to a great number of children, white and negro ? A. It would. Q. And in your opinion, would that have some relation to juvenile delinquency then? A. It certainly would. Q. It speaks for itself, doesn’t it? A. Right. Q. Do you try to keep as many children off the streets as you can during the summer vacation period? A. That is the purpose of our program, yes. Q. And is one of the purposes of that to cut down on juvenile delinquency? A. It is, yes. Q. For all children? A. All children. Q. Now, Mr. Lewis, have you studied this problem in other cities in the country, both north and south? A. I have. Q. And is your opinion based upon a survey of other E. S. Lewis—for Defendants—Direct 85a H. S. Lewis—for Defendants—Cross - 1 8 1 - cities as well as your experience here in the City of Mem phis for the last sixteen years? A. It is. Q. Mr. Lewis, how does our recreational program and park system compare to other cities of comparable size in this country? A. We compare very favorably with cities all over the country. We are recognized as having the best recreational program in the south. Q. When you say recognized as having the best recre ational program in the south, who recognizes that? A. That is by the American Institute of Park Executives, the Park Commission and Recreation National Organization. Q. And is that a recognized national organization that rates the various systems? A. It is. Q. And Memphis is No. 1 in the south? A. Right. Q. Do you want to keep it that way? A. I certainly do, sir. Q. For all the people? A. For all the people. —182— Cross Examination: Q. Mr. Lewis, I believe you say you have connected with the park system for about sixteen years, is that correct? A. That is correct. Q. What is your present title? A. Director of Parks. Q. How long have you held that title? A. My title was changed just recently. I have been Superintendent of Parks that entire period. Q. You started with the Park Commission as Super intendent of Parks? A. That’s right. Q. Did you have prior experience in this type of work before you went with the Memphis Park Commission? A. I had considerable experience with boys in recreation work, and the Boy Scouts. 86a Q. To your knowledge, have negro golfers been denied the last three or four years the right to play golf on certain public golf courses in the City of Memphis ? A. They have. — 183— Q. And you stated, I believe, that there were some integrated facilities, integrated parks operated by the Park Commission, is that correct? A. That is correct. Q. I believe one of them is Court Square? A. That’s right. Q. Do they have toilets for negroes in Court Square? A. No. Q. Do they have toilets for whites in Court Square? A. They do. Q. Are negroes permitted to use those? A. No. Q. They have one toilet there ? A. That is right. Q. As a matter of fact, they have two, one for women and one for men? A. One for women and one for men, yes. — 184— Q. Are they marked “ For White Only” ? A. I am not sure about that. Q. Under your policy of equal facilities, have you made any provisions or arrangements to put toilets for negroes in Court Square? A. We have not. Q. How long has Court Square been integrated? A. I couldn’t answer that accurately; it has been some time. Q. Was there any publicity given to the fact that it had been integrated? A. No. Q. Was there any way that negroes could know that they had a right to use Court Square? A. Except they used it and weren’t chased. Q. In other words, if I get your statement correctly, they can use any place where the police do not put them out ? A. How is that ? H. S. Lewis-—for Defendants—Cross 87a Q. I say they can use any place where the police do not put them out? Is that your statement? A. The police do not put them out there. —185— Q. I say if the police do not put them out of a particular park, then they are free to use it? A. Certainly. Q. They would not know, according to your testimony, whether they are free to use it until the police asked them to get out? A. That could be. Q. I believe you said that Confederate Park is an in tegrated facility ? A. That’s right. Q. Are there any supervisors of recreation at Confeder ate Park? A. No. It is just a public park. Q. Are there toilet facilities there? A. No, there are not. Q. None at all? A. No. Q. Have negroes been advised of their right to use Con federate Park? A. They have used it. Whether they have been advised or not is a good question. Q. Does the Park Commission have any policy of pub lic announcement when they integrate a facility? A. The - 1 8 6 - Park Commission’s policy has been to avoid any trouble as to integrating without any fanfare, such as was done at the Zoo. Q. But there was an announcement that the Zoo was desegregated, was there not? A. There was a very small announcement, yes. Q. As to these other integrated facilities that, you men tioned in your testimony, has there been any announce ment that negroes could use them? A. There was no announcement that negroes could use them, nor was there an announcement that whites could use places that had been for negroes. H. 8. Lewis—for Defendants—Cross 88a Q. As I understand your testimony, the criteria is — 187— whether or not the police arrest you or run you out! A. I wouldn’t say that. Q. What is the criteria! A. The criteria is the parks are open to all races and they use them. Q. How would the members of the public know that the parks are open to all races if there is no announcement made? A. By usage. Q. If the police don’t run you out, as you said before? A. By usage. Q. You are saying that we are free to go to any park in the City of Memphis that we wish to go to, as long as no one runs us out, is that your testimony? A. As long as no one asks you to leave. Q. We are free to go to all of them as long as no one asks us to leave ? A. Yes. Q. At the point that we are asked to leave, then what is the policy? A. We are still operating under a segre gated park system in that case, and we would ask you to — 188- leave, and if you caused trouble by not leaving, we would then call the police. Q. Who would have the authority to ask us to leave, any member of the public, or would it have to be an employee of the Park Department or the Police? A. Cer tainly any member of the public could ask you, but it would have to be park personnel to have any authority as far as the Park Commission is concerned. Q. Are you familiar with the location of Glenview Park? A. I am. Q. Negroes could go there and use that if they are not asked to leave? A. They would be asked to leave. Q. They would be asked to leave? A. That’s right. H. 8. Lewis—for Defendants—Cross 89a Q. Who would ask them to leave? A. The Director of the park or the police. Q. I f they peacefully refused to leave, what would be the followup procedure of the Park Commission? A. After being asked in every nice way known, the Park Directors are instructed to call the Park Police. —189— Q. And have the negroes arrested? A. Have them forci bly ejected or arrested, yes. Q. Now, you were asked the question by counsel do you consider it discriminating when negroes—-I think that’s the word he used— and whites have a certain number of parks available to them based on their percentage. Of course, I pronounce the word negroes. Do you think it is discriminat ing against negroes to prevent them from using the park to which they live next door? A. When it is predominantly a white neighborhood, no. Q. In your opinion, what is the predominant characteris tic of the neighborhood surrounding Gaston Park? A. Around Gaston Park it is predominantly negro now. Q. Now, if negroes go there, would they be asked to leave? A. Until the Park Commission’s policy opens that park, they would be. Q. Do you consider this discrimination against negroes? A. Not since they have, percentagewise, their parks, and since the Park Commission’s policy has been to change these parks as the neighborhood changes. We can cite two recent - 1 9 0 - instances when Chandler Park and Bickford Park—when the neighborhood became entirely colored, they were changed to colored parks. Q. Are you sure that the negroes—that the neighborhood around Bickford Park is entirely colored now? A. I would say ninety percent or better are colored. H. S. Lewis—for Defendants—Cross 90a Q. But it is not entirely colored is it? A. No. Q. Do you consider it discrimination against the ten percent of whites that remain that they can no longer use the park there that they have used? A. It is just as much discrimination against them as it was against the colored when they couldn’t use it. Q. It is discrimination against those? A. Yes. Q. And the same thing, I think you said, was discrimina tion against the negroes in the same degree, since they could not use it prior to the changeover? A. That’s right. Q. What is the characteristic of the neighborhood around Bellevue Park? A. Around Bellevue Park it’s rapidly be- —1 9 1 - coming a colored neighborhood. In fact, it’s predominantly colored at present. Q. Has not it been predominantly colored for a long num ber of years? A. Not a long number of years, but several years, yes. Q. Did not the Park Commission consider, even before the Supreme Court decision, changing that to a negro park, during the time that you have been Superintendent of Parks? A. Would you repeat that? Q. Did not the Park Commission consider the advisa bility of changing that park to a negro park before the decision in Brown versus Board of Education, since the time you have been Superintendent? A. It may have been discussed, but it was not considered for the reason that the facilities on Bellevue Park, such as a lighted ball diamond, was the only one in that neighborhood for white, and Lin coln, which is within three quarters of a mile or a half mile, was for negroes. Q. Did you state on direct examination that provisions have been made for negroes in all of the City-wide facilities, H. 8. Lewis—for Defendants—Cross H. 8. Lewis—for Defendants—Cross —192— is that correct, as opposed to neighborhood facilities! A. Yes. Q. Under what classification does Crump Stadium fall, neighborhood or City-wide facility! A. Crump Stadium is a City-wide facility. Q. And your testimony was today that it was a City wide facility! A. That is right. Q. So your statement that all City-wide facilities have been integrated is not quite accurate, is it? A. Well, pro visions are made at Crump Stadium for colored to attend football games. Q. But you stated it is a white facility. A. That is right. Q. And it is now? A. Bight. Q. And it is a City-wide facility? A. Right. Q. And your statement that all City-wide facilities have been integrated for negroes is not quite accurate, is it? A. - 1 9 3 - Well, I think that statement was that that’s the only facility of that type. The colored have several football stadiums of their own. Q. What type of facility is Hodges Field—I believe it is. called—in terms of City-wide or neighborhood? A. What is that, now? Q. What classification would that fall under? A. I didn’t get the name. Q. Hodges Field. A. That is a City-wide stadium as Crump Stadium, Melrose Stadium, Booker T. Washington. Q. You stated yesterday that it was a white facility? A. That is right. Q. And it is also a City-wide facility? A. I wouldn’t say so. It takes care of the white football games just as 92a Melrose, Manassas and Booker T. Washington take care of the colored football games. Q. Hodges Field is a City-wide facility, is it? A. I wouldn’t call it that. It comes under the same classifica tion as the others I mentioned. Q. Now, on direct examination, there was some state ment about a plan proposed by the Park Commission for — 194— the desegregation of parks, and it seems, and I believe I heard you say that the least amount of confusion would be cause at Pine Hill Golf Course, is that what you said? A. No, I said the least amount of confusion would be at the golf courses, the stairstep integration as we propose. Q. What do you base your opinion on that the least amount of confusion would be caused at the golf courses? A. That is based on the experience of other cities that have integrated their golf courses. Q. What about confusion at tennis courts? A. What about it ? Q. I f they were integrated. A. I think there would be some confusion. Q. More confusion than there would be on golf courses! A. Yes. Q. What about Crump Stadium? A. Well, Crump Sta dium hasn’t been mentioned, but as far as being desegre gated, the plan would include Crump Stadium in a very short period of time. — 195— Q. Now, what other cities have you studied, Mr. Lewis, in your study that you mentioned of other cities? What cities have you studied? A. To mention a few—Atlanta, Nashville, Dallas, New Orleans. Q. Atlanta, Nashville, Dallas and New Orleans? A. Yes. H. S. Lewis—for Defendants—Cross 93a Q. Have you studied the situation in Montgomery, Ala bama? A. No, I have not. Q. Where they closed all the parks. You don’t know about that? A. I know about it. — 196— Q. You do know about that? A. Yes. Q. But you made no study of it? A. No. Q. Have they integrated the parks in Atlanta? A. They have integrated golf courses in Atlanta. Q. Have they integrated anything other than golf courses in Atlanta? A. Some few facilities. They have not inte grated tennis courts, if that— Q. What other facilities, if you know, have they inte grated in Atlanta? A. They have integrated their golf courses and one or two of their centers. Q. Has there been a great incidence of violence from the integration of the golf courses and one or two of their centers? A. But there has been some trouble, but not a great deal to my knowledge. Q. Has there been any bloodshed? A. Not to my knowl edge, myself. Q. Has there been any violence? A. Not to my knowl edge. Q. Do you have any trouble on the playgrounds? A. — 197— Some. Q. Have you called the police? A. Some rowdy and trouble makers, right. Q. Both white and negro? A. Mainly nergo. Q. Mainly negro ? A. Bight. Q. Do you ever have to call them at the white parks? A. Very rarely. E. S. Lewis—for Defendants—Cross 94a Q. You don’t have any trouble on the white parks! A. We have some. Q. But you don’t have to call the police to handle them! A. Occasionally, but not as much as for the negro parks. Q. So that the study in Atlanta did not give you any outlook on anything except the golf courses predominantly, is that correct? A. That was the purpose of the study. Q. In New Orleans what did you study? A. The golf courses. Q. Have they integrated the golf courses in New Orleans? A. The City Park golf course, yes. Q. Have they integrated any other facilities there? A. Not to my knowledge. Q. In Dallas what have they integrated? A. In Dallas they have integrated the zoo and the golf courses. — 198— Q. Have they integrated anything other than the zoo and the golf courses to your knowledge? A. I don’t know. Q. In Nashville what have they integrated? A. In Nash ville they have integrated the golf courses. Q. Have they integrated any other facilities? A. Not to my knowledge. Q. So you have no experience factor about violence in anything other than golf courses, do you? A. That was the purpose of the study was golf courses. Q. And so you could not give an opinion on whether there would be violence based on integration of other facili ties on your orders because your study did not include anything other than golf courses, is that right? A. Golf courses and tennis courts. Q. So that the opinion you have ventured to give on direct examination to Mr. Prewitt has to do with golf courses only? A. That’s right. H. S. Lewis—for Defendants—Cross 95a Q. Now, what do you base—you say there would be vio lence, and I don’t know whether you used the term “blood shed” or not, probably said “confusion” . Did you go any further than “ confusion” if there was integration of the — 1 9 9 - parks ? A. I don’t recall; don’t believe— Q. You have taken the term “ confusion” . But what do you mean by there would be “ confusion” if the parks were desegregated? A. Well, from our own experience here in Memphis. Q. In what particular? A. So far as particulars are concerned, one of the closing exercises for negroes at Lincoln Park, we had bloodshed and shootings and knifings, and it became necessary to break that down into separate closing exercises because of the problems we had. Q. Were colored and whites having closing exercises, you say? A. No. Q. This was not a problem connected with integration? A. This was a problem connected with violence. Q. It had nothing to do with desegregation? A. No. Q. Or integration? A. No. Q. Is that correct? A. Yes. — 200— Q. Now, can negroes use the rides in the zoo? A. Yes, sir. Q. Are those rides operated by the Park Commission or by private concessionaires? A. They are operated by both. Q. They are operated by both. Do they have contracts similar to the ones that are held at the Fairgrounds by them? A. They do. Q. And can negroes use the toilet facilities at Overton Park zoo ? A. They have— H. 8. Lewis—for Defendants—Cross 96a Q. (Continuing)— On an integrated basis! A. They have separate toilet facilities. Q. They have the toilet facilities segregated at the zoo, is that right? A. That’s right. Q. Has there been any violence in the zoo since the inte gration of the zoo? A. No, because we have put additional police there to see that there was not. There have been instances of reported violence which we have been unable to pin down. Q. Mr. Lewis, does the Park Commission have its own - 2 0 1 - police department ? A. We do. Q. Do they operate under the jurisdiction of the Memphis police department or directly under the Park Commission? A. Directly under the Park Commission. Q. Do you know how many officers you have employed in that department? A. We have fourteen. Q. You have fourteen. If I understand your testimony correctly, you are saying that you feel that if the facilities that are operated by the Park Commission are opened there will be violence, and that is one reason you don’t want them opened? A. If they are opened all at once. Q. There will violence? A. I feel there will be violence. Q. Are you also saying some of the private concession aires at the Fairgrounds or other places may lose money? Is that one of the reasons for not wanting to do this? A. That is correct. Q. What other reason do you have for not wanting to open the parks other than the possibility of violence or the possibility of economic loss to some of the concessionaires ? What other reasons do you have for not wanting to open — 202— the facilities to all citizens? A. You are asking me some H. 8. Lewis—for Defendants—Cross 97a thing that is not prerogative to answer. That is the Park Board body. They do it. Q. Do yon have an opinion, other than the two factors we are there mentioning, do you have an opinion! A. I have no opinion other than it would cause confusion or trouble if we opened them. Q. We mentioned that; we mentioned two! A. Yes. Q. The possibility of violence you mentioned, and the possibility of economic loss. You had that opinion. And T am not of course addressing you in your personal capacity, for I understand you have a right to believe whatever you will. But as Superintendent of the Park Commission, di rector of parks, is there any other reason you think these facilities could not be opened other than the possibility of violence and the threat of economic loss! Is there any other reason that you know o f! A. No, I can’t think of any spe cific reason. Q. Do you have confidence that our Memphis police department could maintain peace and order in the city! A. I have discussed, as has been shown in the testimony, —203— I have discussed it with police officers and they do not think they could handle it with the present force if every thing was integrated at one time. Q, Do you feel they could call in additional help to control whatever situation might arise! A. Call addi tional help? Attorney Hooks: Yes. A. Prom where ? Q. From the Sheriff’s Department, State Highway Pa trol, National Guard, Federal Marshals? A. No, they would be in a position to determine the matter. E. S. Lewis—for Defendants—Cross 98a Q. You are saying you believe the City of Memphis would not have—if the Court should say facilities in Memphis should be integrated, you are saying you don’t believe the citizens of Memphis would obey the orders of this Court or any court1? A. I didn’t say that. I said it would be hard for everything to be integrated at once and be controlled. We have law breakers in the City of Memphis, on anything else. Q. I realize that. But you say you feel there would be so much law breaking you couldn’t control it? A. That is — 204— the opinion of those in charge, not myself. Q. You have no opinion? A. I have voiced my opinion. Redirect Examination: Q. State whether or not, Mr. Lewis, in your opinion if you are not permitted to exercise your discretion—and when I say “ your” I mean you and the other responsible offi cials—will these thirty-five thousand negro children—will — 205— their rights to use facilities be impaired? A. Yes. I men tioned the confusion of the whole area. Q. So that many thousands of negro children you aren’t in this courtroom today would have some rights cut off? A. Right. Q. As well as many thousands of white children. Is that your opinion or not? A. That is my opinion, yes, sir, as stated before. The Court: Mr. Lewis, I believe Mr. Pierotti tes tified yesterday that the tennis courts were not spe cifically included at this time under this plan the Park Commission was proposing. H. S. Lewis—for Defendants—Redirect 99a And I believe, if I recall Mr. Pierotti’s testimony, it was to the effect that that wmuld be taken care of under this—what he said, acceleration of the plan. Give us your opinion as to the approximate date you think the tennis courts there would be opened up to all comers. Can you do that? — 206— A. I can do it in a sort of back-hand way, Judge. That particular park where the John Rogers tennis courts are operated is a very valuable piece of property. There is a possibility that that will no longer be a park, due to the development of the Housing Authority in that neighborhood and the value of that land. The Park Com mission has for quite a while felt that that land was too valuable to operate tennis courts on, where there is not a great number of tennis players living in that immediate vicinity. And for that reason I would not be able to give any definite time. We think it wall not be there too long. Recross Examination: Q. I would like to ask one other question. You don’t think it will be there. Just say it is just there two more months, are there any plans to let negroes use it? A. Not under the proposed plan, no. — 207— The Court: All right, sir. You don’t think it worthwhile, then, just for a certain time, you don’t think it worthwhile to project any definite plans with respect to opening it up to all comers for just the short time— H. S. Lewis—for Defendants—Recross A. That is right. 100a James C. Macdonald—for Defendants—Direct — 243— C h ief J am es C. M acdonald The next witness, having first been duly sworn, testified as follows: Direct Examination: Q. This is James C. Macdonald and you are Chief of Police of the city of Memphis I A. Yes, sir. Q. How long have you been with the Police Department? A. Some twenty-one years. Q. How long have you been Chief of Police! A. Since 1954. Q. Chief Macdonald, for the past six or seven years state whether or not you have given much time and thought and consideration of the problem which we are talking about here today? A. We have. Q. I believe you testified in the Evers Case against Dwyer and others? A. That’s right. Q. Since that time have you had additional experiences with this problem ? A. Yes, we have. — 244— Q. Will you briefly outline some of those experiences such as sit-ins and buses and things of that nature? A. Well, we have had many calls on the trouble we have had on the buses since they have been integrated. Q. When you get a call of that nature state what the policy of the Police Department is with regard to such a call? A. When we get a call such as this we can’t take chances, we don’t know how big a problem it is, and our instructions are to send three or four cars out and to get there as quick as possible to keep down any violence. 101a Q. State whether or not in your opinion that is good policing? A. We think it is. Q. State whether or not it has worked fairly well? A. So far it has. Q. You have discussed the matter now pending before the Court, and especially the plan of the Park Commis sion, with officials and attorneys of the Park Commission? A. That’s right. Q. In your opinion, and with your experience, and from a police standpoint, Chief Macdonald, do you think such a plan as they have should be given consideration! A. I do. — 245— Q. Why do you say that? A. Well, there is no doubt in my mind, and I am speaking as a law enforcement officer, that if at this time they were all integrated at one time we couldn’t handle it. There is no doubt in my mind we would have bloodshed if that happened. Q. Why do you say you don’t think you could handle it? A. I think it will be on such a wide scale we don’t have the officers to handle it. Q. You are talking about the square mile area of the city of Memphis and the various points you would be called to ? A. I am. Q. How many policemen, the average number, do you have on the Police Department? A. I believe about 725 at this time. Q. Now comparing the gradual plan with an immediate plan what do you think, from your experience, would likely happen if the various facilities of the Park Commission— I believe you are familiar with them? A. Yes. James C. Macdonald—for Defendants—Direct 102a — 246— Q. (Continuing) Golf courses, recreational programs, community centers, swimming pools, and such. If all of these facilities are immediately desegregated what, in your opinion, would happen ? A. I think we would have chaos, and I think they probably would have to be closed, and I think a lot of good will would be destroyed. Q. Over a period of years do you think there has been a great deal of good will created in the city of Memphis? A. I know there has. Q. Over what period of time? A. I have been with the Police Department twenty-one years and we have always tried to get along, and have. Q. Has it existed all that time? A. Yes, sir. Q. In other words, you have gone over this plan with members of the Park Commission and in your opinion you think it is a reasonable plan? A. Yes, for this reason. We will have a little idea of what is coming off and can lay our groundwork for it and hope to be able to handle the situation. — 247— Q. Do you believe that in starting with the golf courses that a certain amount of good judgment has been used on the part of the Park Commission? A. Well, I thought the plan as a whole was a good one, and I think now it is a good one. Q. What about timing from the overall standpoint. I believe this Brown case was decided in 1954, and you are familiar with the fact that since that time a certain number of facilities in Memphis have been opened on a non-segregated basis; libraries, zoo and other facilities. Do you have any comment to make with regard to the timing that might be important in considering the overall James C. Macdonald—for Defendants—Direct 103a effect it might have on both races in this particnlar area? A. I think the key to it is the timing, where everybody— where it would be on a gradual basis where the hot-heads wouldn’t have a chance to act. Q. Do you think we have been fortunate or unfortunate with so-called agitators in this community as compared to other communities? A. As a whole, yes, sir. Q. You don’t think we have had the agitation in Memphis that has been in other places ? A. That’s right. —248— Q. What, in your opinion and from your experience, happens when this agitation starts? Does it create violence or a quiet atmosphere? A. Well, you take a strike, for instance. You have a few in any bunch that will agitate trouble. I have seen it a lot of times that a few will cause a lot of people to get in trouble. I don’t think we need that, I think we can handle our problem ourselves. Q. Are you familiar with the incident at Walgreen’s when the crowd became increasing in numbers, and what action did the Police Department take, whether you moved in immediately or sat by and waited and watched the situation? A. When we first got the call it was our plan to let them work it out among themselves if there was no violence. After about twenty or thirty minutes the crowd was so violent that if we hadn’t made the arrest we think some body would have been hurt real serious. Q. Were you getting reports from time to time about the attitude of the people in and around Main and Madison during that time ? James C. Macdonald—for Defendants—Direct 104a James C. Macdonald—for Defendants—Direct — 249— A. Yes, we had detectives in the store and I was on the telephone with them all the time. They was letting me know what was happening from time to time. Q. I think that about covers it. We have had some testimony on this but we will go into it very briefly. The population in the area surrounding Memphis, would you say that is predominantly white or colored? A. I think the outlying territories are mostly colored. Q. Is that considered to be the metropolitan trade area of Shelby County? A. Yes, sir. Q. State whether or not we have many visitors from this area that use the facilities of the city of Memphis? A. I think there is a great number. They come in from all around Memphis. —250— Q. State whether or not that enters into your judgment as to whether or not this is a reasonable plan which is submitted by the Park Commission? A. I think it is rea sonable, yes. 105a Findings of Fact and Conclusions of Law Filed 7/27/61 This cause came on for hearing upon complaint of plain tiffs and answer of defendants, and the Court, having heard and considered all of the evidence, including deposi tions, oral testimony and exhibits thereto, and having con sidered the entire record in this action, finds the facts and states the conclusions of law as follows - F indings o r F act I. The Court has jurisdiction of this action under Title 28 IT. S. C. Sections 1343 (c), 2201 and 2202, and Title 42 IT. S. C. Sections 1981 and 1983. II. Plaintiffs are Negro citizens of the State of Tennessee, who reside in the City of Memphis, and have brought this action on behalf of themselves and as members of a class of persons consisting of other Negro citizens of the City of Memphis. III. The Memphis Park Commission is an agency or depart ment of the City of Memphis, a municipal corporation of the State of Tennessee, and said Park Commission is com posed of five (5) Commissioners duly appointed by the Mayor and Commissioners of the City of Memphis. Said Park Commissioners control the operation of the Memphis Park System, with the management thereof being delegated to defendant, H. S. Lewis, Director of Parks. 106a IV. The City of Memphis has a population of approximately five hundred thousand (500,000), thirty-seven per cent (37%) of which are Negro, and sixty-three per cent (63%) are White (1960 Census). Memphis is located in the ex treme southwest corner of Tennessee and is bounded on the west by Arkansas and the south by Mississippi. The population of the adjoining counties in Arkansas, Missis sippi and West Tennessee is predominantly Negro. V. There are one hundred and thirty-one (131) parks owned by the City of Memphis and operated by the Memphis Park Commission. These parks fall into four (4) categories:— (1) Twenty-three (23) are undeveloped; that is, raw land. (2) Twenty-five (25) are used without restrictions by members of both races. (3) Fifty-eight (58) are used by members of the White race only. (4) Twenty-five (25) are used by members of the Colored race only. VI. With very few exceptions, the parks reserved for Negroes are in neighborhoods which are completely or predomi nantly Negro; and likewise, the parks reserved for White people are in neighborhoods which are completely or pre dominantly White. In the City of Memphis, the races are separated by neighborhoods, and the Park Commission has consistently followed neighborhood patterns in providing Findings of Fact and Conclusions of Law 107a recreational facilities for members of both races; and it has been its policy to remove restrictions applicable to Negroes as neighborhoods are converted, by voluntary ac tion, from White to Negro, as early as practicable. At the present time, the Park Commission proposes in the near future to remove all restrictions as to use by Negroes in the following parks:— (1) DeSoto; (2) Bellevue; (3) Gaston Park with Community Center; (4) Brinkley; (5) Malone Park with swimming pool; and (6) Riverside Playground. VII. The following recreational facilities are operated by the Memphis Park Commission:— (1) Boat dock and ramp at McKellar Lake, which is operated on an integrated basis. (2) Ten (10) swimming pools—five (5) reserved for White use and five (5) for colored; and when Negroes are admitted to Malone Park with its swimming pool, these figures will be changed accordingly. (3) Sixty-one (61) playgrounds on City owned property controlled by the Park Commission—forty (40) reserved for White use and twenty-one (21) for use by Negroes. (4) Fifty-six (56) playgrounds and facilities operated by the Park Commission on property owned by churches, Findings of Fact and Conclusions of Law 108a private groups and the School Board—thirty (30) of which are reserved for White use and twenty-six (26) for Negro. (5) Twelve (12) community centers with gymnasiums on City owned property— eight (8) of which are reserved for White use and four (4) for Colored; and when restric tions are removed with reference to Gaston Community Center, these figures will, accordingly, be changed. (6) Seven (7) golf courses—five (5) reserved for White use and two (2) for Colored. VIII. The Recreational Department of the Memphis Park Commission is rated by competent authorities as the best in the South. Its recreational program for Negroes is the finest in the country. Approximately one hundred thousand (100.000) children participate in one or more of the rec reational activities sponsored by the Memphis Park Com mission— of this number approximately thirty-five thousand (35.000) are Negroes. The Recreational Department of the Park Commission sponsors many and varied types of rec reational activities, including, but not limited to, competi tive sports, such as baseball and basketball, dancing and many other activities. The Recreational Department head quarters itself is operated on an integrated basis, and all Negro Supervisors and Directors are paid on the same salary schedule as the White Supervisors and Directors; and the qualifications for such Negro Supervisors and Directors are equal to or greater than that of their White counterparts. IX. Defendants have heretofore operated twenty-five (25) parks in the City on a nonsegregated basis; and have re Findings of Fact and Conclusions of Law 109a cently integrated Overton Park Zoo, Art Gallery in Overton Park, and the Park Commission facilities at McKellar Lake. In furtherance of its gradual program of integration, the Park Commission has evolved the following plan and the following facilities will he open to all races, without restric tions, at the dates indicated:— (1) The Fairgrounds Amusement Park at the conclusion of the present year. (2) Pine Hill Golf Course, January 1,1962. (3) Fuller Golf Course, February 1,1962. (4) Riverside Golf Course, March 1,1962. (5) Audubon Golf Course, January 1,1963. (6) Douglass Golf Course, February 1,1963. (7) Overton Park Golf Course, March 1,1963. (8) Galloway Golf Course, January 1,1964. X. Defendants have acted and are acting in good faith in recognizing the constitutional rights of the Negro citizens of Memphis to make use of facilities under Park Commis sion control on a nonsegregated basis. XI. In considering the question of good faith of defendants in recognizing the constitutional rights of plaintiffs and other Negro citizens, as well as the plan and program evolved by defendants to desegregate the Memphis Park System, the Court has given consideration to the fol lowing :— Findings of Fact and Conclusions of Law 110a (1) Importance of time to accomplish change-over from a partially segregated system to an integrated one. (2) Good will and understanding heretofore obtaining between the races. (3) The fact that, pending the transition period now in progress, ample recreational facilities, under the operation of the Park Commission, will be available to all Negro citizens of Memphis, and no Negro will be denied the right to avail himself of those facilities. (4) Maintenance of law and order. (5) Avoidance of confusion and turmoil in the com munity. (6) Revenues available from concessions operated on park property. (7) The fact that immediate integration would result in a denial to a substantial number of citizens, both Negro and White, of an opportunity to avail themselves of rec reational facilities now afforded to all citizens of Memphis. (8) The constitutional and other legal rights of all citi zens, both White and Colored. XII. Immediate forced integration of all facilities of the Park Commission would be unwise under all the circumstances as presented by the proof. The plans and programs evolved by the Park Commission properly take into account the con stitutional rights of Negro citizens without overlooking many other factors, as hereinabove set out. Findings of Fact and Conclusions of Law 111a XIII. The plan of defendants for integrating Fairgrounds Amusement Park and all of the public golf courses is rea sonable, fair and equitable and should be approved. XIV. If the property on which John Rogers Tennis Courts are located is not sold or abandoned for use as tennis courts, consideration should be given by defendants to removal of all racial restrictions on these tennis courts by January 1, 1962. XV. Integration of playgrounds and community centers op erated by defendants is a matter in the interest of all citi zens of Memphis, both White and Colored, and calls for more study. No specific terminal date for such integration can be set at this time. Defendants should file plan for integration of such facilities within six (6) months from June 15, 1961, and at that time, such plan can be given proper consideration by the Court. XVI. The City of Memphis acquired Pink Palace Museum and property on which it is located by deed dated August 2, 1926 from Garden Communities Corporation. This deed provided “ said building and grounds shall be devoted wholly and exclusively to public uses for the benefit of persons of the Caucasian race only and as a conservatory, art gallery, museum of art or natural history, library and/ or for general recreational purposes in connection with the Memphis Park System, including parks adjacent thereto * * * Said deed also reserved unto the grantor, or its as Findings of Fact and Conclusions of Law 112a signs, after notice as provided in the deed, the right to re enter and hold the same as of its former estate in the event of breach of the above condition. XVII. Negro citizens of Memphis have been permitted to make use of the facilities of Pink Palace Museum on one day per week and this use has been permitted without any apparent complaint on the part of said grantor, or its assigns; how ever, said deed in providing for forfeiture contains the following additional language: “A waiver for any period of time of a breach of either or any of the foregoing cove nants and conditions shall not preclude a forfeiture for a continuance thereof after notice as above specified.” XVIII. The “Advisory Board Memphis Museum” recommended to the Memphis Park Commission on January 6, 1959 that the Museum property be sold for residential purposes and that a new Museum be built on other City property. In response to this request, J. S. Allen, Esquire, the then Park Commission Attorney, submitted comprehensive re port and summary of titles to the property involved and stated in his report dated February 5, 1959 “ that neither the City nor the Park Commission could safely sell or cease the use for musettm or park purposes as to any of the respective properties conveyed by these deeds.” Said report and opinion was made before the present lawsuit was filed. XIX. Defendants have evinced a willingness to remove all race restrictions obtaining at Pink Palace Museum, except for the fact that they feel a removal of all restrictions might Findings of Fact and Conclusions of Law 113a result in a loss of this valuable property to the City and the Park Commission. XX. Defendants’ present policy with reference to Pink Palace Museum is not based upon any effort to deny Negro citizens of Memphis the right to use of this facility, but rather is based upon a policy of attempting to preserve title to the property. Findings of Fact and Conclusions of Law Conclusions op L aw I. Compulsory segregation on the basis of race in the public schools violates the provisions of the Fourteenth Amend ment to the Federal Constitution. Brown vs. Board of Education of Topeka, 347 U. S. 483, 74 S. Ct. 683, 98 L. Ed. 873. II. The rule in the Brown Case has been extended to the field of public parks and recreational facilities. Dawson vs. Mayor and City Council of Baltimore City, 220 Fed. 2d 386, (U. S. C. A. Fourth, 1955); affirmed 350 U. S. 877, 100 L. Ed. 774; City of St. Petersburg vs. Alsup, 238 Fed. 2d 830 (U. S. C. A. Fifth Circuit, 1956). III. Full implementation of the constitutional principles as announced in the Brown Case requires solution of varied local problems. Local authorities, and in this case the re sponsible Park Commission officials, have the primary re 114a sponsibility of elucidating, assessing and solving these problems. The District Courts have the obligation of de termining whether the action of local authorities consti tutes good faith implementation of the governing consti tutional principles; and in fashioning and effectuating decrees, the Court is guided by equitable principles. Tradi tionally, equity has been characterized by a practical flexi bility in shaping its remedies and by a facility for adjusting and reconciling public and private needs. Brown vs. Board of Education of Topeka, 349 U. S. 294, 99 L. Ed. 1083 (Second decision de cided May 31,1955). IV. Delay in desegregation of public parks and recreational facilities does not amount to a denial of the constitutional rights of Negro citizens where a good faith attempt is being made by local officials to abolish segregation on a gradual basis. Kelley vs. Board of Education of City of Nash ville, 270 Fed. 2d 209 (U. S. C. A. Sixth Circuit, 1959); Aaron vs. Cooper, 243 Fed. 2d 361 (U. S. C. A. Eighth, 1957). Findings of Fact and Conclusions of Laiv y . In determining whether defendants are acting in good faith in recognizing the constitutional rights of Negro citi zens to make use of the Park Commission facilities on a nonsegregated basis, it is proper for the Court to consider (1) local conditions and local problems as to facilities, and teacher or supervisory personnel, as well as local prob 115a lems of maintaining, during the transition period, maximum recreational facilities for all citizens, White and Negro; (2) importance of time to accomplish change-over from a partially segregated system to an integrated one; (3) good will and understanding heretofore obtaining between the races, and (4) avoidance of confusion and turmoil and main tenance of law and order in the community during the transition period. Brown vs. Board of Education, supra; Aaron vs. Cooper, supra; Kelley vs. Board of Education of City of Nash ville, supra. VI. Injunctive relief to require immediate desegregation of all facilities of the Park Commission should not be granted where defendants have acted in good faith and need addi tional time to accomplish complete desegregation of Park Commission facilities. Aaron vs. Cooper, supra,; Kelley vs. Board of Education of City of Nash ville, supra. VII. “ Only the constructive use of time will achieve what an advance civilization demands and the Constitution con firms.” Cooper vs. Aaron, 358 U. S. 20, 3 L. Ed. 2d 19, 78 S. Ct. 401 (concurring opinion of Mr. Justice Frankfurter at 3 L. Ed. 2d 22); Kelley vs. Board of Education of City of Nash ville, supra. Findings of Fact and Conclusions of Law 116a Findings of Fact and Conclusions of Law VIII. The burden rests upon defendants to establish that addi tional time is necessary, in the public interest, and is con sistent with good faith compliance of the governing con stitutional principles at the earliest practicable date. Brown vs. Board of Education of Topeka (Second decision), supra; Kelley vs. Board of Education of City of Nash ville, supra. IX. During the transition period from partial segregation to complete desegregation, the District Court should retain jurisdiction. Brown vs. Board of Education of Topeka (Second decision), supra; Kelley vs. Board of Education of City of Nash ville, supra; Aaron vs. Cooper, supra. X. Under Tennessee law, if the condition respecting race in the Pink Palace Museum deed is breach, there is a possibility that the City of Memphis might lose title to this valuable property. The determination of the legal effect of the conditions in said deed is complex and difficult to determine without an adjudication by a Court of compe tent jurisdiction. Yarbrough vs. Yarbrough, 151 Tenn. 221, 269 S. W. 36. XI. The Chancery Court of Shelby County, Tennessee has jurisdiction to determine the legal effect of said conditions 117a in the Pink Palace Museum deed; and if the State courts should determine that the City’s title would not be affected by desegregation of said Museum, there would be no ques tion remaining for decision by this Court. Consequently, this is a proper case for application of the doctrine of abstention under which adjudication in this Court of all matters with reference to Pink Palace Museum may be stayed pending determination by the State courts of the legal effect of said conditions in the Pink Palace Museum deed relating to race. Harrison vs. NAACP, 360 IT. S. 167, 3 L. Ed. 2d 1153, 79 S. Ct. 1025; Louisiana Power & Light Co. vs. Thibodaux, 360 U. S. 25, 3 L. Ed. 2d 1058, 79 S. Ct. 1070; Annotation “Discretion of Federal court to remit relevant state issues to state court in ivhich no action is pending” , 3 L. Ed. 2d 1827. Conclusions of F act and Law Defendants have shown by a preponderance of the evi dence that additional time is necessary to accomplish full desegregation of all facilities operated by the Memphis Park Commission, and defendants have further shown that their plan and program for gradual desegregation is neces sary, in the public interest, and is consistent with good faith implementation of the governing constitutional prin ciples as announced in Brown vs. Board of Education, supra, taking into account all of the local conditions and problems hereinabove set out; and the Court has concluded, in the exercise of its discretion, that the prayer for declara tory judgment and injunctive relief should be denied. Findings of Fact and Conclusions of Law Judge. 118a Judgment Filed 6-20-61 This cause came on to be heard upon complaint of plain tiffs and answer of defendants thereto; and the Court, after hearing all the evidence presented at the hearing, rendered opinion under date of June 15, 1961, which is attached hereto and made a part of this Judgment. The relief sought by plaintiffs is the immediate deseg regation of all park and recreational facilities operated by defendants. Defendants, in recognizing the constitu tional rights of all Negro citizens to use on a nonsegregated basis the facilities controlled by defendants, have proposed the following plan, to-wit :•— “ Having heretofore, before the filing of this suit, provided twenty-one (21) parks in the City on a non segregated basis and having recently removed restric tions at Overton Park Zoo, Art Gallery in Overton Park and the boat dock at McKellar Lake, the Park Commission, following its practice already adopted, has evolved the following plan, and the following facili ties will be opened to all races, without restrictions, at the dates indicated:— (1) The Fairgrounds Amusement Park at the con clusion of the present year. (2) Pine Hill Golf Course, January 1,1962. (3) Fuller Golf Course, February 1,1962. (4) Riverside Golf Course, March 1,1962. (5) Audubon Golf Course, January 1,1963. (6) Douglass Golf Course, February 1,1963. (7) Overton Park Golf Course, March 1,1963. 119a (8) Galloway Golf Course, January 1,1964. The Park Commission proposes to follow the fore going schedule. This program, which is in line with practices already developed and evolved by the Park Commission, may be accelerated, subject to many mat ters which the responsible officials of the Park Commis sion may consider from time to time. These include di verse local conditions, such as maintenance of law and order, avoidance of confusion and turmoil in the com munity, efforts to provide maximum use of park facili ties for all citizens, regardless of race, revenue avail able from park concessions, together with a proper recognition of legal rights of all citizens, White and Negro, under State and Federal law. The program of the Park Commission is not one based on any denial of any constitutional rights which either the Negroes or Whites may have, but is so designed and conceived as to provide maximum recreational facilities for the maximum number of Memphis citizens in the area where such citizens reside.” The Court, after hearing all the evidence, is of the opinion that the foregoing plan should be approved; and the Court is of the further opinion that defendants should submit to the Court a further plan with respect to integration of play grounds and community centers within a period of six (6) months. Any adjudication with respect to the Pink Palace Museum shall be stayed by the Court until the courts of Tennessee have an opportunity to decide questions of title relating to that facility; and defendants shall prepare and file suit under the Declaratory Judgment Act of Tennessee in the Judgment 120a Shelby County Chancery Court and take such necessary steps so as to secure a full adjudication of all matters herein involved which might affect the title to said property. The Court is of the further opinion that defendants have acted in good faith, under all the circumstances herein involved in recognizing the constitutional rights of plain tiffs and other Negro citizens of Memphis to make use of the facilities operated by defendants on a nonsegregated basis. It Is, T herefore, Ordered, A djudged and Decreed:— (1) Plaintiffs’ application for a permanent injunction as prayed for in the complaint is denied. (2) Said plan of defendants, hereinabove set out, be, and the same is hereby, approved. (3) Defendants give further study to a proper plan for integration of the playgrounds and community centers op erated by the Park Commission and prepare and submit to the Court within six (6) months from June 15, 1961 a plan and program for the integration of said facilities. (4) Any adjudication with reference to Pink Palace Museum is hereby stayed; and defendants shall, within ninety (90) days, prepare and file appropriate action in the Chancery Court of Shelby County, Tennessee for a declaratory judgment to determine what effect integration of the races at said Museum will have upon the title of the City of Memphis to this property. This cause is retained in Court for such further pro ceedings as may be necessary from time to time. Costs are adjudged equally between plaintiffs and defendants, for which execution may issue. Both parties are expressly authorized to prepare and present to the Court, promptly, additional findings of fact Judgment Judgment and conclusions of law, and such additional findings and conclusions, when approved by the Court, shall become a part of this Judgment. Judge. A pproved : Attorneys for Plaintiffs. Attorneys for Defendants. jr- V - ' « ^ | | |^ » 3 8