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Examination by Mr. Feldman 

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reapportionment? 

mean by involved? 

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rememoel 

not necessarily 

with congress ment 

because, as Chairman 

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had a roster of Senate and Govern- 

mental Affair: 

people who were on my Subeon 

e, because the membership 

ix + S cott an d 

was 

words, with respect to the House 

Subcommittee, if you didn't serve 
- 

House 

"418 vervice 

Subcommittees, 

more than =~-- 

m 
. 

i ght have been to more than one 

y on 
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gf 
j have 

the same iid, I would 

and those meet- 

in the 

limited, at least, for ne , 

For some people they might consider 

that very active, but I considered 

involve- 

2sesional reapportion- 

nent, who were the people on the 

Committee that taking a very 

Oe That's hard CO S8day. 

ws from the public record, I know 

Mr, Scott had nunber of plans, 

involvement was 

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te alas 
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and lobbied by %\ ug 
oy 

had cople = who 

  

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Representative 

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niaganag DLE] 

of people 

over that period of 

sure there were 

about that, 

recall a specific 

sat down 

with them 
$ 2 
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plan. I do know 

ny % 3 
Funes and 

iendas 

or LM e 

somewhat 

1] 
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about 

tha 

time, 

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I don't, you 

occasion 

Senator 

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ill 4 my 

ne. 

  

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~ nd I wouldn't want to try to 

question with specificity if 

didn't know the answer with 

specificity. 

goire to ask vou about some other 

people and see if you remember 

being contacted by them or what the 

substance might be, If you don't 

recall, that's fine. 

you hear direct] 

from any of the congresspeople, 

the Louisiana congressional 

Certainly 
J ~ 
WL yuld you recall who you talked with or 

who you heard from? 

111 three 

J. Teuzin, who was the congressman 

from the 3rd Congressional District; 

Honorable Careen Lindy Boggs, who 

  

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elthough some 

congressperson, : 1 say congress~ 

woman, because I think she is = 

m 

wenderful 

2nd Congressi 

Honorable Robert Livingston from 

the 1st Congressional District. 

I spoke -~ I don't think I spoke 

J 

directly with Congressman 

but he had his eide -- whose name 

escapes me at the present time -- 

was in Baton Rouge, and I can't 

remember whether I hed any 

conversatione with him or not. 

« Moore, I don't remember 

ther I had any conversations 

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1x, but 

remember that. I 444d not talk 

Buddy Roma (phonetic) about it 

  

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ickaby about 

BY MR, QUIGLEY: 

0 
5 » would you tell us 

what the substance conversa- 

Representative Tauzin. 

Well, Representative Tauzin 

the people in de 4 

they had a number of plans that they 

had worked on, and 1] £2 I reviewed those 

Me 

So Sm o 2 & 3 @ P 
t wONREresswoHman & 

told me that 

they were ing on a number of 

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- § oy 
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ict in 

plan a 

Any of the plans. 

To tell 

upon was something that 

don't know how many other people 

2alled Congres:       
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brief discuss 

the record at this 

rcell, what the content 

general terms of Congress 

IA 

that, 

involved making those populatic 

changes necessary in order to be 

one~mén~one~vote 

the Supreme Court and the 

appropriate provisions of the 

{tution of the United St 

erica. 

  
  

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come Pp 

end Plan B and 

where we get { 

ag t whe oO 

know, without 

speculate as t 

one was, 
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a 5 J in the House 

Affairs at one 

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on ny 

Plan 

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documentation I can't 

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might ha 

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Do you recall what the content 

those conversations might have 

we had a lot of conversations 

I had some conversations with ny 

friend, Mr. Charbonnet, who I think 

course, 

Sure. I want to know what 

oh House of 

. LJ worked long and 

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leo Leg 1 slature 

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again, and he expressed to me 

preference for certain precincts 

$n oY 3 
in the 7th 

Congressional trict, which 

the proposal that was going 

Conference Committee, were 

1st Congressional District. 

request 

Charbonnet, I made a propo: 

the Conference Committee 

= and I forget whether 

Ward, 

want to be tied to the precincts, 

I could show you on a map better, 

I could remember the precincts. 

It might have heen Ward 

nther two 

would imagine { 

Bernard and St. 

I'm not sure of the 

  

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ouls' request, and 

on was adopted by the 

1 comnunication 

legislators about this, 

would they have been the 

slators? 

have to understand, Mr. Quigley, 

House reapportionment and 

congressional reapportionment were 

going on basically at the same time, 

the House 

tionment just 2 coup] 

before the battle started 

sional reapportionment 

purposely 

gd yo wy m i n 23 involved   
  

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gLaer 

we on ow A am of n oy a tn 
regarc ing the 

I may have 

but the 

process 

have some communicat/ 

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may na 

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the fact 

reapportionment, 

1 1 | or 4 B es 
LC I Legis ilaT oT       

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tut specifically about 

congressional reapportionment, I 

definitely have the recollection of 

my conversations with Representative 

and vague recollections 

nédtteyry at one 

Messrs. Delpit, 

Johnny Jackson. 

To the best of your knowledge 

can you remember 

who perceived the struggle over 

congressional reapportionment - 

by that I mean -- 

don't understand 

You think it's 

fair to characterize the issues of 

congressional reapportionment as 

creating 

coming 

somewhat 

adopted? 4 

- read that question. 

reporter read back th   
  

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Well, that certainly covers 

» » 

issues, 7 the whole panoply of 

epinion 

17 o tr Fests 1 ¢ 
ac ¥ f a | 

viewed vVerv 
oF 

friends, J Scott and 

1€ ver Nunez, 

are awful g¢ 

but 1 viewed ag 8 

ploy by both of them to cut 

congressional districts 

political liking so 

ah Po Bo 
Lad 

I viewed 

as, 8s 

the 

it. 

New Orle 

the struggle 

went on in the 

Alexandrie 

ag a Black/whit 

CILEY 

what 

used in working 

reapportionmen 

elections 

cuidel ine 

on congress~ 

  

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Pregident of the Senate 

of three members of the Houge and 

three members of the Senate to 

discuss the differences in the 

leg {elation and to atte mp ft 

bl 
rerolve those differences, Some- 

times they are resolved, and some- 

times they aren't, A Conference 

Committee can make no recommenda- 

tion. It can make 2 recommendation 

that the bill has passed by either 

house be adopted or that an entirely 

new piece of legislation on the 

subject matter could be adopted or 

thet any variation could be adopted. 

It's wide open when it goes into a 

conference committee. The Senate, 

in their infinite wiedom, have ~-- has 

noe provision with 

membership of 

eo that the President 

in his sole and aksol 

ww. 0ff the record, 

(There was a brief discussion off 

the record at this point.)   
  

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  we ™ 
& AN 

leaders and the Black delegation == 

there must have been forty congres- 

sional bill flying hither, thither, 

that we adopted, 

that, so 

my memory 

alled dis-~- 

onference Committee, 

reason why I say it was a 

. 8 ecaunse J 

probably at the 

Jefferson Parish 

+ 3 PA at 

  

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mise 

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€s and Governmental 

"nm 4 fe om +a oy 

Well, the bill that we en 

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fourtt = dy 

proposal that the congressman had, 

Now, as to what {input I had? You 

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trying to think who was 

committee in the Senate, I think 

I see you have 2 journal there, 

You might want to refresh my 

TI can't remember whether me mory. 

Mr. Tiemann was on it, or I think 

Mr. Hudson might have been on it. 

I don't really remember, 

Cn the committee from the 

really can't recell who the members 

were from the Senate, but it seems 

to me that we did have a number of 

discussions with various folks 

te who could a; 

tried very strenuous 

the Confe 

to recommend 

Mr. Scott wag doing plan 

plan after plan to try 

Conference Committee to 

  

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wvevraion. 

Long's aide was 

Again, I think h {rst 

but =- 

Carson MecKillen (phonetic). 

T 
i 8m not 

he was involved in 

you know, yes, I did talk tc 

Congressman Taugin, because 

it was a 

thing. 

made a very empassioned speecl 

which I didn't think too much of 2 

but, you know, everybody gets emo- 

tional and wrzppned 

once in while, 

saw hile chances 

.nk what 

was absolutely right, just, fair, 

equitable, and this is the best that 

you could come up with.       
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apportionment 

hat you can do 

11 segments 

Would 

reporte 

I have 

0 - 

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stral 

closer ex 

jags 

™ -d ~~ Gov ns na onferenc > 

ecommendation, which was adopted. 

right. I handled the 

reapportion- 

me what they were 

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eal 1 
we Li, 

: a 
were these rules doi y the 

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( eX td qf doe £3 wa am MN ommittee on Cor Reappor = 

o [=] nding 0 ¥ bo Su 2 8 is 

ey were adopted by the House 

Do you recall, then, what rules 

il | might have been adopt 

  

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style 

Right, 

~= complies with each and every one 

these 

that these 

adopted by the congressional 

committee. It was adopted by the 

House portion of that committee. 

know whether they 

anything at all, but I 1 

rules for my committee, and 

Mr. Scott took my rules and 

nh 
phrased 

ed some and subtracted so 

but I think the plan complies 

that. 

this plen comply with 

of apportionment, 

do by being fair 

FELDMAN: 

I am going 

of the question. It seems to 

Mr, Quigley, that you are gett- 

into an area that borders very 

  

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ris v3 vsor 
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te inquiry, 

CRY. = . *RVQ 

the question, Hut 

Mr. Feldman's observation 

questions, because 

into the realm 

iadividual 

Toy Bok: 

think that the plan wa: 

the Inited States Denn     
  

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oll 4 

characterizes that as a 

district?  - 

Not to 

Okay. 

TEE 
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By whom 

characterizations 

¥ 
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wagging the 

Nunez Plan, my 

nn 4 2 fh P= it that 

- wt ” s npn nigger mayor? 

need for a nigger 

Bb o% Oo on ” 
carvemnment 

stetement? 

Have you ever heard anyone make 

statement? 

nowle d ge, no. 

Okay. Did you ever hear anyone making 

opposition to the Black majority 

ot 
Po; 

| SEER 

that 

1. i ndy B 3 5 88 , seat I na y very 

support him, All right. One 

> ha. gt " eanonsg 

  

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wy 
CELE » POW de de be be 482 

to support the Republicans. 

vou know, that's 

Ade 

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i vote | the man or the lady as 

a human being, not with respect to 

ir race. 

Any stétements regarding 

congressional reapportionment 

that weren't in line with that 

. 

losophy of not being attuned to 

color of the people involved, 

just to the person. 

you know, 

greatest speeches 

on 

certain members   
  

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ou 

& £ trey £1 3 

that speech being ma 

think 1t might have been made 

Mr. Alphonse Jackson, 

from Shreveport 

t I really 

the cold, 

© for Sammy Nunez, th 

Rot b Livingeton in, 

harped on 

wasn't the 

TET ET Ue 
LACT LONE 

lators or 

give you regson to bell 

it race played any role whatever 
kd sa 9 Cre ed ao 

ETECEBLOr ong 

  

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is in zes wa 6 5 CVE 
percenta ge 0X 

that extent race played a 

«3 
3 8 ue 

dice ever 

of 

finally ended up 

in my opinion, generally 

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1 have two 

Cou 3 d by, Ave een 
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>iong over congressional 

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Go through 

New Or] 

MR, FELDMAN: 

Why don't you show 

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BY MR, QUIGI 

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payee a 

Black majori 

THE WITNE o 85 A, 

Jone 

me your 

hoard 

      

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context, 

simply te 

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question and a 

ression to leave on 

  

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ha ve 

tht to formulate ean opinion? 

£0 me, iy consideration sy QIC 

: f 3 don't pretend to speak for anyone 

myvee lf 4 my! A 3 

  

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pod plan, but nobody liked 4t but 

ensure that 

influence 

2 way where we 

e h a sienificant chur 

I couldn't, so I didn’ 

some ideas about maximizing 

leans influence a little 

thought would have been a pretty 

1 ¢ 

  

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great part 

th 

      

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vou know, 

£ 
que 

not, and I 

and all that, which 

incidental 

val iwel 

  

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that nobod y cot 

draw that implication ’ 

certainly hae not been there in 

administration and was not 

< w E =» 

in ni 

respect to congressional reapportions 

ment, and that's - I think that's 

= Jv re vh 3 
CNne ont 

not get involved in House 

tionment. Whether he was invol 

in PSC or not, really don 

‘emenmber., wasn't 

controversial 

other. 

MR, QUIGLEY: 

Me. F 2 LA 0a Nn ° 

As you know, my name is Marty Feldmén, 

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couple of questions for you, 

early questions by 

rou indicated 

request, two precincts were =~- 

precincts in the 7th Ward were 

sponsored the amendment 

Conference Committee agreed. 

you rec&8ll whether those two 

predominantly 

yrecincts? 

With the map I can tell you 

what the two precincts were. 

ro A vs Pol = ~ ’ 3 

an understanding     
  

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to the 

create 

tr i ct 

3 4d & 

Absolutely 

can 

neighbor 

plan other than 

Black congressional dis 

        

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ardy? 

ongly 

iro’ 

them 

know if responsive 

minated 

n responsive, 

my characterization of 

going to be open season 

  

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leans, anc 

or é on § ra 4 wo a Ba » We 9 Lesa to take their shot, and I just 

happened to be one of those persons 

who was prepared to pu shield. 

me just look at my notes for a 

moment. You have been in the 

Legislature since 19757 

was elected in 1975 

1 9 7 6 ® 

In your experience as a ~~ as a seasoned 

legislator, do you recall many 

to the 

P 1 an when 1¢ 

was a8 coalition between 

efferson Parish and the Black 

You never saw it before, 8 that correct? 

Never saw it before, and I have been 

lved in the legislative process,   
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portionment that 

£88 (p h one t p 

men were oriented 

the political philos | 4 ng 

legislat 

organized 

EH) . 
Smo Pa 
CMOS ss 

Labor? 

(Witness nodding 

You are nodding your 

nn Sorry.       

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xpregseing 

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would {it 

the scheme 

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cutting across the 4 

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district 

historically 

as the splitting off of a small 

portion of East Baton Rouge Pari 

which had never 

6th Congressional District 

Sure, 

MR, FELDMAN: 

Thank you. I have no furthe 

questions. 

MR. QUIGLEY: 

I have no further questions. 

  
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I, CHARLES EMILE BRUNEAU, JR,, 

do hereby state that I have read the 

above and foregoing deposition and 

that the above transec ript and accom- 

panying correction: Lf any, 

tute a true and correct record 

my testimony, which was given 

cath and was true and correct 

nd best of my knowledge and abilie 

the time of the deposi 

  

CHARLES FMTLE B 

    
  

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aor 

I, the undersigned reporter, do 

hereby certify that the above and 

is a true and correct transcription of the 

stenographic (Stenotype) notes of the proceed- 

ings herein, taken down by me and transcribed 

under my supervision, at the time and place 

hereinabove noted, in the above-entitled 

and -numbered cause. 

1 further certify thet the witness 

was duly sworn by me in my capacity as 

Po 
de for the State Certified Shorthand Reporter 

Louisiana; ot of counsel or related 

to any of the counsel or any of the parties, 

or in the employ of any of them; and that I 

have no interest in the outcome of this action. 

    
  

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