Wiley v. Memphis Police Department Trial Transcript

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O F F IC IA L  C O U R T  REPORTER 

UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT 
WESTERN DISTRICT OF TENNEsEEE

29 October 1975
M EMPJTIS, T E N N E S S E E

Mr . i  11 i  aKi E . Cal  dv;ell  
Attorney At Lav/
Sui te  525 Commerce T i t l e  B l d g . ,  
Memphis, Tenn. 38103

RE: Martha Wi l ey  vs .  Memphis P o l i c e
Department,  CA 73-8.

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Note :  O r i g i n a l  f i l e d  w ith  Clerk  o f  Court th i s  da te ,

Memphis, Tennessee.

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Page 374(a)  added,  charged f o r .

Cor rect  number o f  pages 607.



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UillTDD oTATES DISTRICT COURT 
V7ESTERiJ DISTRICT OF TERRESSEE 

UESTLIiE D i v i s i o n

tiARTiIA V7ILEY, Mother and ) 
Next  of  Kin of  Fred Lee ) 
Derry ,  a Deceased Minor,  )

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MEMPUIS POLICE DEPARTMENT, )
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CIVIL ACTION NO, 
C -73 -8 .

The fol lov;incj  p roceed ings  were had in  the United  

Sta te s  D i s t r i c t  Court ,  Western D i s t r i c t  o f  Tennessee,  

in  Memphis, Tennessee,  b eg inn ing  on Wednesday, A p r i l  

2, 1975, at  approximate ly  1;30 p .m. ,  b e f o r e  the

Honorable Harry W. W e l l f o r d , Judge,

APPEAR/vNCES :

For the P l a i n t i f f ;

The Honorable  V7illiam E. C a l d w e l l ,
The Honorable G. P h i l i p  A rno ld .

For the Defendants :

The Honorable Ar thur  J.  Shea,
The i ionorable Char les  V. i iolmes,
The Honorable Wayne Chan t i n .



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Martha Wi loy  

James Richards

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in Martha vriley ve rsus  fcl'.e c i t y  o f  Memphis and a 

number of  other  de fendants ,  C-73-0?

MR. CALDWELL: Ready f o r  the p l a i n t i f f .  Your

Honor.

MR. SHEA: Ready f o r  the de fendants .

I want to sneak to you - -  Just  one second  

( i n d i c a t i n g  to Mr. C a ld w e l l )  - -  Your Honor.

Your Honor, by consent o f  p l a i n t i f f ,  we have 

amended the ansv;er o f  P. J. Cox and J. F. (K)

Richards  a g a in s t  W i l ey .  We think the h i s t o r y  o f  

th i s  case s t a r t e d  out with  a new e l e c t i o n  to the  

c i t y  o f ,  that  Mr. T r a v i s ,  and then Mr. Kim S t a l i i n c  

got  i n v o l v e d ,  and Mr. Joe D a i l ey  and F i n a l l y  Mr. 

Holmes, and m yse l f ,  and j u s t  in o r d e r ,  out o f  the  

abundance o f  c au t ion ,  we would l i k e  to o f f e r  the 

Court the amendment to p lead  Sect ion  40-808 , o f  TC|i

THE COURT: A l l  r i g h t .

The Court notes that  in t h i s  case the o r i g i n s  

s u i t  was f i l e d  a g a in s t  the p o l i c e  department ,  the 

c i t y  of  Memphis, former Ch ie f  P r i c e ,  former Chief  

Lux, Mayor Chandler ,  former Mayor Loeb , M. J.

Cal l iham —  and has been d ismissed  as to M. J.  

Ca l l iham ,  R. D. Roleson,  has not been as to P .J .  C^x , 

J. K. R ichards ,  VJ. W. Wannamaker - -  that  i s

Tlir. COURT: Gentlomer., arc vre ready to proceed



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1 c o r r e c t ,  has been ciisiaissed as to Waunamakcr, and 

Kay, i t  has been d i sm issed  as to ,  a l s o ,  as to Mr. 

Ray .

The complaint  s e t s  out these de fendants ,  or  

a number of  theiu, as p o l i c e  o f f i c e r s ,  and a l s o  se t s  

out John Doe and o thers  s i i u i l a r l y  s i t u a t e d .

There v/as a ju ry  demand at  the o u t s e t ,  which,  

and the demand f o r  ju ry  has now been wa ived .

A l so  the Court has ru l e d  p r e v i o u s l y  on d i s ­

covery matte rs .

Some agreements were subsequent ly  reached with
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r e ga rd ,  a f t e r  the Court o rde r ,  and o th e rw i s e ,  v/ith 

r ega rd  to d i s cove ry  o f  matters in  the po s se s s i o n  

of  the p o l i c e ,  p a r t i c u l a r l y  v^ith r e ga rd  to the 

p o l i c e  i n v e s t i g a t i o n ,  or  the I n t e r n a l  A f f a i r s  

Department 's  i n v e s t i g a t i o n  of  the c i rcumstances  

p e r t a i n i n g  to th i s  s u i t .

One p a r t i c u l a r  item from that  f i l e  has not  

been h e r e t o f o r e  turned over  to the de fendant 

( p l a i n t i f f ) , i t ,  i t  i s  a r e p o r t  by a De tec t ive  

C h i l d e r s ,  in  January o f  '72,  to the i n s p e c t o r .  

In spec to r  Thines ,  in  the I n t e r n a l  A f f a i r s  

Department,  b e a r in g  upon c i rcumstances  p e r t a i n in g  

to a statement  of  one Courtney L. H a r r i s .  j

The Court has ,  i s  asking tho c l e rk  to ,  to mar);



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purposes ,  and th i s  i s  a, the only item as the Couri
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understands i t  from the f i l e s  which v;as turned ovef  

to the Court p r e v i o u s l y  f o r  in camera in s p e c t i o n ,  

which has not been made a v a i l a b l e  to the |,ilaintif£|

with  reya rd  to t h e i r  content ion  in  th i s  s u i t .  j
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Are there  any other  matte rs ,  yontleiuen, that  !
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th a t ,  that  are  o f  a p r e l im in a ry  nature  that  tae |

Court ounht to take up, or  that  the reco rd  ouyht i
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to r e f l e c t  b e f o r e  v;e proceed  w ith  the ev idence  on I 

b e h a l f  o f  the p l a i n t i f f  a g a in s t  the defendants? | 

MR. C7vLDWJlLL: Your Honor, i f  I may address  j

li'iyself b r i e f l y  to the d i scove ry  item v/hich the 

Court has j u s t  marked f o r  i d e n t i f i c a t i o n .
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As the Court i n d i c a t e s ,  th i s  i s  one o f  a numbe

o f  iter.is whicn was submitted to the Court  f o r  in  !
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camera in s p e c t i o n .  ]
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de fendants ,  the Court has not ,  to th i s  da te ,  rulediI

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that  any items in  that  in  camera submissxon i s  

p ro p e r l y  s u b j e c t  to a clai jn o f  p r i v i l e g e ,  and we 

do, as we understand i t ,  th i s  i s  a r e p o r t  d ea l in g  

with  the w i tness  at  the scone,  and v/e would i n s i s t  

that  we iiro e n t i t l e d  to that  document, and tlaat i t  

should  be produced f o r  our i n s p e c t i o n .

th i s  e> :h ib it ,  iteni, as an e x h i b i t  f o r  i d e n t i f i c a t i b n



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THE COUTIT: Do you wish to be heard in resoect

to that  n a t t e r ,  ’l r .  Shea?

MR. SHEA: I f  Your Honor p l e a s e ,  i t  ir. our

content ion  that  in support  o f  other  cases  that  

have been submitted to the Court h e r e t o f o r e  that  

i s  a work product  o f  the I n t e r n a l  A f f a i r s  

Department of  Memphis, and should  not be a l l owed  

in evidence in t h i s  t r i a l .

MR. CALDWELL: That in the f i r s t  time I  have

ever  heard the work product p r i v i l e g e  claimed in  

connection with  t h i s  document.

I understand i t  to  be i n v e s t i g a t i v e  p r i v i l e g e ,  

that  the defendant  has argued in  p rev ious  hea r ings .

THE COURT; Mr. Shea?

MR. SHEA: I f  Your Honor p l e a s e ,  w ithout  b e ­

l a b o r i n g  the Court ,  at t h i s  l a t e  s t a g e ,  tha t  i
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there  i n ,  there  i s  in th i s  l a w s u i t ,  a p o s i t i o n  | 

that  the c i t y  has a do p te d , th a t  the f r e e  info rmation  

between p o l i c e  o f f i c e r s  and the I n t e r n a l  A f f a i r s  

i s  not something that  can be used l a t e r  on aga ins t  

the p o l i c e  o f f i c e r ,  as such, tha t  there  wo: i ldn ' t  

be any use o f  t h e i r  i n v e s t i g a t i o n  to t r y  to prove  

or  d i sp rove  whatever  has happened , you wou ldn ’ t 

have that  l i n e  o f  communication i f  the o f f i c e r  

knew there  that  v/'iat he s a id  might come here l a t e r ,



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bo r a i s e d  and h i t  h in  in  the f ace  at  a l a t e r  time.

11 corapic tdy ues t roys  the c o n i i d e n t i a l i t y  o f  the 

p o l i c e  o f f i c e r  and I n t e r n a l  A f f a i r s  s e c t i o n  of  the 

i j o l i c e  depar tnent .

THE COURT: W e l l ,  Mr. Shea, the Court has

p r e v i o u s l y ,  in e f f e c t  hy reason o f  not turning  

over  c e r t a i n  o f  the docurrionts, i f  we have not made 

i t  c l e a r ,  wo have,  in  e f f e c t ,  r u l e d  that  there  i s ,  

at l e a s t ,  a l im i t e d  p r i v i l e g e  in  th a t  r e s p e c t ,  or  

l im i t e d  immunity or l im i t e d  v/ith r e ga rd  to In te rna^  

A f f a i r s  i n v e s t i g a t i o n  with  r e sp e c t  to statements
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o f  iTolice o f f i c e r s  that  may e i t h e r  be under i n v e s t !  

ga t ion  or s u b j e c t  to p o s s i b l e  d i s c i p l i n a r y  charges

how, the p a r t i c u l a r  iteras tha t  the Court has 

made r e f e r e n c e  to he re ,  that  Hr.  C a ld w e l l  has 

luovod, as the Court r e c a l l s  the document which has 

been i d e n t i f i e d .  Hr.  C l e r k ,  as “ “

THU CLERK; (ho r e sp o n s e . )

THE COURT; V7e have p r e v i o u s l y  marked f o r  

i d e n t i f i c a t i o n ,  three  through ( i )  - -  or  (a )  throug

( j ) ,  I th ink,  have not ,  there  has not been anybody 

in vo lv ed  p r e v i o u s l y .

MR. CALDWELL; Mr. C le rk ,  a r e n ' t  the e x l i i b i t s  

marked one through t h i r t y - three?

TiIE COURT: ’W e l l ,  l e t  t h i s  be marked as



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iiut, in  any event ,  the p a r t i c u l a r  docuiaent 

r e l a t e s  to in fo r t i a t io n  fu rn i sh ed  by the I n t e r n a l  

f a i r s  o f f i c e r s ,  to a su p e r i o r  in  the I n t e r n a l  

A f f a i r s ,  not p e r t a i n i n g  p a r t i c u l a r l y  to the s t a t e -  

cient o f  a p o l i c e  o f f i c e r  in r e sp e c t  to that  invest|. -  

g a t i o n ,  bu t  r a t h e r ,  r a t h e r  tiie s t a t e n e n t  a t t r i b u ­

t a b l e ,  or  tae c i rcumstances  a t t r i b u t a b l e  to the 

purpo r ted  statements o f  one Courtney H a r r i s ,  and 

p o s s i b l y  there  h i s  v/ife.

The Court would ,  would not ho ld  that  that  part-
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t i c u l a r  item or statement  i s  s u b j e c t  to any q u a l i ­

f i e d  p r e ju d i c e  or  immunity in  th a t  i t  does not per[- 

t a in  to ,  to the,  d i r e c t l y ,  a t  l e a s t ,  i t  does not  

p e r t a i n  to the ac t  or  statement  o f  a p o l i c e  o f f i c e r  

under the a eg i s  o f  i n t e r n a l  s e c u r i t y  i n v e s t i g a t i o n  

The Court does f e e l  ti iat the whole p rocess  o f  

i n t e r n a l  s e c u r i t y  i n v e s t i g a t i o n  would be impeded 

i f  not v i r t u a l l y  h a l t e d  i f  any statement  raade v/ithin 

the coxirse and scoi^e o f  that  i n v e s t i g a t i o n  could  

f r e e l y  be made a v a i l a b l e  in  c i v i l  l i t i g a t i o n  p e r ­

t a in in g  to that  o f f i c e r .

However, th i s  p a r t i c u l a r  item r e l a t e s  to info|r-

mation p e r t a i n in g  to the c i rcumstances  o f  a state - ;
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ment or purported  statement  o f  a t}xird p a r ty ,  or  i

i iKliibit rU’raber 34 then fo r  i d e n t i f i c a t i o n .



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1 ou ts ide  pcirty v/ituess to what nay have t r a n s p i r e d  

on the n iyh t  in  q u e s t i o n ,  v/hich i s  the b a s i s  o f  

the l a w s u i t .

The Court f e e l s  that ,  because o f  the nature  

of  that  statement ,  and tha t  i t  does not d i r e c t l y ,  

at  l e a s t ,  a l though i n d i r e c t l y ,  i t  may bea r  upon th^ 

act ions  v/hioh are  in q u e s t i o n ,  o f  the p o l i c e  o f f i ­

c e r s  a t  the scene,  tha t  the Court wou ld ,  not ing  

the o b j e c t i o n  o f  the de fendants ,  make a v a i l a b l e  

the p a r t i c u l a r  item,  because we do not f e e l  i t  i s

w i th in  the context  and w i th in  the sense o f  the
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C o u r t ' s  r u l i n g ;  that  i t  i s  an item that  should be 

p ro t e c t e d  f o r  the reasons  that  have been i n d i c a t e d  

that  i f  there  i s  to be an e f f e c t u a l  and e f f e c t i v e ,  

i n t e r n a l l y ,  i n t e r n a l  s e c u r i t y  J^ticcdure, that  

tliose statev.ients shou ld  be ab le  to be made, at  

l e a s t ,   ̂ absent  o ther  compel l ing  r e a ­

sons ,  in con f idence ,  and not be a b l e  to be u t i l i s e d  

by o ther  x-att ies a g a in s t  the x^olice o f f i c e r ;  bu t ,  

here ,  v/herc v/e are  concerned w ith  the x’ li^po^bod 

statement  or  x^i^tported circurastances o f  a stateraenlt 

o f  a par ty  not connected with tiie p o l i c e  department,  

we w i l l ,  over  tiie o b j e c t i o n  o f  the de fendant ,  make 

a copy o f  that  statement  a v a i l a b l e ,  and the c l e r k  

may make th a t ,  b x l i i b i t  34 f o r  i d e n t i f i c a t i o n .



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a v a i l c b l e  to counsel  f o t  the defendant  ( p l a i n t i f f )  

as i t  p e r t a i n s  to c i r  cuuis tances o f  the atate/aent  

of  a Courtney i i a r r i s .

a'ov;  ̂ the Court i s  av/aro that  p a r t i c u l a r  w i t ­

ness has been known to a l l  o f  the p a r t i e s  over a 

c o n s id e r a b le  p e r i o d  o f  time, and th i s  merely p e r ­

ta in ing  to p o l i c e  in fo rm a t ion ,  p e r t a i n i n g  to the 

ci rcumstances ,  r e l a t i n g  to idr. H a r r i s '  purported  

obse rva t i on s  and/cr statement  about  the ep i sode  

that  i s  in qu es t ion  b e f o r e  the Court .

A l l  r i g h t ,  are there  any other  p r e l im in a ry  

matters?

Hr. C a l d w e l l ,  what i s  the s i t u a t i o n  v;ith 

rega rd  to your c la im o f  tiie p o l i c e  o f f i c e r s ,  John 

Doe and o thers  s i m i l a r l y  s i t u a t e d  in  l i g h t  o f  the 

e x ten s i v e  d i s cove ry  that  lias talcen p l a c e  in  th i s  

case?

MR. CALDWHLL: Vour Honor, v;e h a v e n ' t ,  in the

d i scove ry  p rocess ,  i d e n t i f i e d  any other  i n d i v i d u a l  

v.'ho we would d e s i r e  to make de fendants ,  and v/e, we 

arc ,  we acquiesce  in  a d i s m i s s a l .

THE COURT: H e l l ,  the case i s  d ismissed  as to

any other  p a r t i e s  then.

As the liiatter now s t ands ,  and the Memphis 

P o l i c e  Department,  the c i t y  o f  Memphis, Mr. P r i c e ,



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1 ::r .  P r i c e ,  Mr. Lux, Mr. Lux 

Cox and Mr. R ichards .

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Mayor Chandler ,  Mr.

Me have d i smissed  the c i t y  and the poJ.ice 

department as to the clai ias made under 42 USC 1983 

and 1905, and 198C, but  not as to c la ims wade unde: 

42 use 1981 or 1988,

A l l  r i f jh t ,  gentlemen,

MR. SilEA: I f  Your Honor p l e a s e ,  there  i s  one

wore matter  tJiat, that  the de fendants  th a t  are  

s t i l l  l e f t  in  the l a w s u i t  i i w o l v e d ,  some peop le  

uho are  no longer  employed, employees o f  the c i t y ,  

and wa don ’ t  have as ranch c o n t ro l  over  thein as we 

would have over  somebody e l s e .

I  think C h ie f  P r i c e  i s  now with  MATCOX MEM 

TvRK-TDN, in  the environment s e c t i o n .  lie has ,  ho 

i s  the l e a d e r  o f  the d i s c u s s i o n  that  i s  be ing  hold  

in M ash v i l l o  toraorrow morning, and he had to leave  

t i l l s  a f te rnoon .

I w i l l  have D i r e c t o r  Hubbard p re se n t  and we 

have taken L t .  P r i c e ' s  d e p o s i t i o n  in  o rde r  not to 

b e la b o r  the case ,  or  ask the Court i f  ua do f i n i s h  

f i n i s l i  i t  tomorrow a f t e rn oo n ,  I hope we might,  

r a th e r  than have some loose  ends hanging,  because  

v/e c a n ' t  g e t  L ieu tenan t  - -  Ch ie f  P r i c e  here .

Could wc use i l l s  deptosition?



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d e p o s i t i o n  as an adverse  p a r t y ,  so that  i s  f i n e .

THE COUiri’ ; A l l  r i g h t .

Gent leuen,  you rriay p roceed .

The Court i s  f a m i l i a r  v;ith tlie v a r i ou s  p r e t r i a l  

memoranda and other  documents th a t  have been f i l e d  

e i t h e r  in  support  o f  motions or  in  support  o f  pos i  

t ions  of  the r e s p e c t i v e  p a r t i e s  r e l a t i n g  to the 

i s s u e s  that  are b e f o r e  us ,  and p a r t i c u l a r l y  with  

r ega rd  to the p r e t r i a l  memoranda s e t t i n g  f o r t h  the 

p o s i t i o n  o f  each o f  the p a r t i e s  on the i s s u e s  as
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viewed by those pcirt ies  that  are  p re sented  to the 

C o u r t .

E i t h e r  o f  you i s  p e rm i t ted ,  o f  course ,  to 

proceed with  opening statements ,  i f  you wish to do 

so,  to p o in t  out to the Court that  p a r t i c u l a r  mat­

t e r  or  item that  you want to c a l l  to the C o u r t ' s  

a t t e n t i o n .

I would ,  however,  urge  you that  you do not  

need to r epea t  or go over  a l l  o f  the d e t a i l s  o f  

your memoranda that  has been f i l e d  because tne 

Court i s  f a m i l i a r  v;ith those mat te r s .

So i f  e i t h e r  o f  you wish to proceed by openin'^j 

statement ,  you may do so at th i s  time b e f o r e  we 

hear the p roo f  and ev idence .

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MR. CALD.JRLL; '/our iionor, i f  I may i.iake j u s t  

a b r i e f  sumr^iarisation o f  our case .

hii the Court knova;, from the p r o t r i a l  :ner;.or- 

anda, that  the i n c i d e n t  that  gave r i s e  to th i s  lav/4- 

s u i t  occurred  on January H, and I  V7unt b e l a o o r  

those ,  those f a c t s ,  because they w i l l  be gone in to  

in d e t a i l .

I t  i s  our p o s i t i o n  that  tho:-3e f a c t s  w i l l  show 

th a t ,  that  Defendants Cox and Richards  used unnecei  

sary  f o r c e  in u t i l i z i n g  deadly  f o r c e  a g a in s t  p l a i n ­

t i f f ,  deceased Fred Lee Be r ry ,  who, a t  that  p a r t i ­

c u l a r  t i n e ,  \/as eig'nteen yea rs  o l d .

At tne t ine  o f  Fred Lee B e r r y ' s  death,  tac  

Memphis P o l i c e  Department was o pe ra t in g  under a 

deadly  fo rce  p o l i c y ,  which supports  the use o f  

dead ly  f o r c e  a g a in s t  any f l e e i n g  f e lon y  suspect  

r e g a r d l e s s  o f  the nature  o f  the crime,  r e g a r d l e s s ,  

r e g a r d l e s s  o f  the s e r i o u sn e ss  o f  the crime, and 

r e g a r d l e s s  o f  the age o f  the suspec t  or h i s  l e g a l  

s t a t u s ,  under Tennessee lav/.

That p o l i c y  has been,  has been implemented by 

Defendant Lux, and at  the time o f  th i s  p a r t i c u l a r  

i n c i d e n t .  Chief  Lux aud r e t i r e d ,  and Defendant  

P r i c e  v/as ac t ing  c h i e f  o f  p o l i c e ,  and Mayor 

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p o l i c e ,  aa I l ls c iepoait ion r e v e a l a .

DefenJnnt P r i c e  and Cluindlor had r a t i f i e d  the 

deadly  fo rce  p o l i c y  aa i t  then e x i a t e d ,  and had 

approved i t ,  and had taken no s teps  tc a l t e r  i t  or  

r.aJ;e i t  nore  s p e c i f i c ,  or invoke g u i d e l i n e s  to 

determine the use o f  dead ly  fo rce  by Meraphis p o l i c  

of  f i c e r s  .

A major f a c t o r  in  th i s  case ,  Your Honor, was 

the f a c t  that  Fred Lee Berry  was b l a c k .

Our p roo f  w i l l  show that  in th i s  c i t y  there  

has been a long enduring h i s t o r y  o f  r a c i a l  d i s c r i m i ­

na t ion ,  There has been a long h i s t o r y  o f  e i t h e r  

r e a l  or conce ived p o l i c e  misconduct toviard the 

blac ) :  community.

The p roo f  w i l l  shov;. Your Honor, that  the 

im pos i t ion  of  the dead ly  f o r c e  p o l i c y  on those f a c t s ,  

and on f a c t s  v/hich r e v e a l  that  young b l a c k s ,  in  

p a r t i c u l a r ,  f e a r  the Memphis P o l i c e  Department.

There a re ,  there  a re .  Your Honor, because o f  

that  f e a r ,  there  i s  l i k e l y  to be ,  they are more 

l i k e l y  to respond f a v o r a b l y  to p o l i c e  commands 

than are  white  j u v e n i l e s  or  white  peop le  g e n e r a l l y .

The im pos i t ion  o f  th i s  p o l i c y  on those f a c t s ,  

n e c e s s a r i l y  means that  i.' ôro than th a t ,  a d i sp roporp  

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j u v e n i l e  fiuepects , p a r t i c u l a r l y ,  have deadly  i o rce  

ir.ple:r.ented a g a in s t  them in s i t u a t i o n s  v;hich are  

not iniplor.ented as a g a in s t  white  j u v e n i l e s .

Our p roo f  w i l l  f u r t h e r  shov/. Your honor,  that  

in  f a c t ,  there  i s  a p a r t i c u l a r  s i g n i f i c a n t  d i s p a r ­

i t y  betv/oen the number of  b l acks  who are  a r r e s t e d  

f o r  crimes in  Memphis, v/hich a pe rcen tage ,  which  

i s  unusua l ,  unusua l ly  n igh ,  because the b l a c k s  |
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tend to be a r r e s t e d  and not charged and a g r e a t e r  

degree  of  w h i t e s ,  v;hite s u sp e c t s ,  but  accept ing  

these  f i g u r e s ,  the percentage  o f  the b l a c k s ,  those  

who are  a r r e s t e d ,  and those that  are  b l a c k ,  and 

comparing that  percentage  to the percentage  of  

those v;ho \/cre shot  a t  v;ho were b l a c k ,  that  i s  a 

s i g n i y i c a n t  s t a t i s t i c a l  d i s p a r i t y ,  which i n d i c a t e s  

tiiat race  i s  the f a c t o r  which makes up f o r  the 

di  f f e r e n c e .

Our p roo f  w i l l  a l s o  show. Your Honor, that  

there  i s  l e s s  dangerous f o r c e  needed which should  

be used i f  j u s t i c e  i s  done.

T l ie re fore ,  dead ly  fo rce  i s  a f a c t o r  in th is  

case ,  and a l e s s  dangerous f o r c e  i s  a l l owed  to be 

used,  o ther  than dead ly  f o r c e ,  by the FBI,  and 

otl ier agenc ies  ac ross  the country o f  the United  

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such fXH t h i s  case has been conderaned by p r e s i d e n t i a l  

coituaissions . They have been condeianed by the 

d r a f t e r s  o i  the raodern pena l  code, and numerous 

r e s p o n s i b l e  a u t h o r i t i e s .

On these f a c t a ,  we think the p l a i n t i f f s  are  

e n t i t l e d  to r e l i e f  on the b a s i s  that  the p l a i n t i f f  

i s  e n t i t l e d  to r e l i e f ,  that  i s  d e c l a r a t o r y  r e l i e f ,  

and danages as p rov ided  f o r  under s e v e r a l  l e g a l  

t h e o r i e s .
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One theory i s  that  the ac t i on  of  the defendants  

v i o l a t e  Tennessee law,  and wo have invoked th i s  

C o u r t ' s  pendant j u r i s d i c t i o n  pursuant  to that  

c la i ra .

Secondly ,  we contend that  the shoot ing  in  th i s
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the Fourteenth Anendrocnt, r e g a r d l e s s  o f  whether or  

not there  i s  a v i o l a t i o n  of  Tennessee law.

T h i r d l y ,  Your Honor, we contend that  a l l  

defendants  are  l i a b l e  to the p l a i n t i f f  under the 

Fourth Amendment, and in that  r e ga rd  we contend  

that  the shoot ing to a r r e s t  p o l i c y  i s  an unreasonable  

s e a r c h - s e i z u r e ,  wliich v i o l a t e s  the Fourth  

Amendment.

V,’e a l s o  contend that  the de fendants  are  - -  

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Tlii] COURT: Under any circuiustances?

IIK. C/iLD.v’CLL; 1 ’ I'i s o r r y ,  Your Honor, under

circuMstances  o f  f n i s  case ,  v;hich dead ly  f o r c e  i s  

ir. iplcnented a g a i n s t  a Keyro,  proxjerty crirae suspect ,  

or a g a in s t  a I.'egro su spec t ,  not reasonab ly  b e l i e v e  

to be p re sen t ing  a danger to e i t h e r  the p o l i c e  

o f f i c e r s  or to ot l iers in the coniiaunity.

Tin: COURT: W e l l ,  shou ld ,  then, we d e c l a r e

48 dash 808 to be u n c o n s t i t u t i o n a l?  I s n ' t  that  

tixe e f f e c t  o f  i t?

MR. CALDWHLL; Mo, I d o n ' t  think so .  Judge 

U e l l f o r d .

THE COURT: Jus t ,  we o v e r r u l e  the th r e e - j u d g e

court  that  dec ided  contra ry?

MR. CALDWELL: The t h r e e - j u d g e  cour t ,  w ithout

any f a c t u a l  b a s i s .  I d o n ' t  nean they d id ix ' t  nave,  

that  they had no b a s i s ,  no b a s i s  f o r  t h e i r  r u l i n g ,  

but  th i s  v;as not a r u l i n g  on, on the a p p l i c a t i o n  

of  the s t a t e .  There was no f a c t s  in  that  case ,  

was r u l i n g  on a b s t r a c t  o f  whether the s t a t u t e  was 

a c t u a l l y  u n c o n s t i t u t i o n a l .

Aga in ,  you see ,  i t  i s  a p p l i e d ,  i t  i s  a pp l i e d  

in  Meiaphis now as i t  i s  app>lied in  K n o x v i l l e ,  

Tennessee.  I t  way w e l l  not be u n c o n s t i t u t i o n a l  - -  

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be more in harmony with our c o n s t i t u t i o n a l  posx t ion

taan the Memphis P o l i c e  Department.  For example,  i
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I think the f a c t  i s  that  the s t a t e  s t a t u t e  to \/nichi 

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a c o n s t i t u t i o n a l  chcil lenge to the s t a t u t e  in  t u i s  | 

case ,  because the de fendants ,  thoinse lves , have 

modif ied  the s t a t u t e  and we are  t a l k in g  about  the 

l o c a l  p i ract ices under s t a t e  law,  but  we are  ta lk ing  

about l o c a l ,  l o c a l  p o l i c y  adopted by the p o l i c e  

depcirtment, and impleunentod by them, and we neces ­

s a r i l y  do not ,  t h e r e f o r e ,  cha l l e n ge  the s t a t e  

s t a t u t e  or  seek i n j u n c t i v e  or  a c c l a r a t o r y  or  damage: 

r e l i e f  a g a in s t  i t ,  bu t  i f  the Court v iews the s i t u ­

a t ion  - -  ( intor rui^ted)

TUE COURT: W e l l ,  I 'm  r e a l l y  - -  Of course ,

that  heis not been asked in  th i s  case ,  as I under ­

stand i t ,  but what I 'm s imply asking you i s  the 

e f f e c t  o f  what you arc  asking the Court i s  to 

d e c l a r e  i t  u n c o n s t i t u t i o n a l  and I 'm  v;onderiag about  

that  in  l i g h t  o f  the s p e c i f i c  r u l i n g  of  the th r e e -  

judge cour t  r e c e n t l y  that  i t  was not u n c o n s t i t u ­

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c a l l e d  upon, or that  the s t a t e  s t a t u t e ,  as i jr .pi i -  

catod in  t h i s  case ,  and that  i t  does ,  i t  Vi’ould  hav^: 

to be more tiian an a u t h o r i z a t i o n  to do what doten -  

dauts have done, would have to mandate i t ,  in Uiy 

judgment,  f o r  the s t a t u t e  to be n e c e s s a r i l y  i m p l i ­

cated ,  but  i f  the Court f e e l s  tha t  the s t a tu t e  

e i t h e r  mandates or  a l r e a d y  i s ,  the use o f  dead ly  

f o r c e ,  in  llcmphis, i s  be ing  used and has been used 

then I  v/ould contend tl iat the s t a t u t e  i s  un con s t i ­

t u t i o n a l  as a p p l i e d  in  Mepvphis, notw i ths tand ing  

the th r e e - j u d g e  cour t  v/liich, I remember i t  i s  baseii  

upon the,  s o l e l y  the b a s i s  o f  the c o n s t i t u t i o n a l i t y  

o f  the s t a t u t e ,  but  not i n d i c a t e d  on, based on any 

f a c t s ,  the f a c t  tha t  the c on t in ua l  use of  dead ly  

f o rce  i s  j u s t i f i e d ,  v/here i t  i s  used e l s ewhere .

THE COURT: A l l  r i g h t .

Whether i t  i s  j u s t i f i e d  or  not depends upon 

each independent  i n c i d e n t ,  and judgment o f  the 

o f f i c e r  seeking to make the a r r e s t  in  every  i n d i v i f  

dua l  case ,  so ,  i s  that  n e c e s s a r i l y  the case ,  Mr, 

Caldv/ell?

MR. CALDV;e LL:  Judge 'Wel l ford  ( i n t e r r u p t e d

THE COURT; I s  there  any o ther  way that  i t  

can be a p p l i e d  except  f o r  the o f f i c e r  to make an 

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whether ha nas cause,  a r-easonable cause to e f f e c t  

neccissary f o r c e .

MR. CALD'wi.LL: Vve.ll, I mean the Memphis

P o l i c e  Department,  or  those i n d i v i d u a l s ,  the use 

of  dead ly  f o r c e ,  f o r  eiicunplc, to stop a Megro s u s ­

pect  v/ho i s  unarmed, v/ho poses no th r e a t  to the 

s a f e t y  or  \/elfare o f  the ]^>olice o f f i c e r ,  Oi any 

other  human be ing  in  the c i t y ,  that  p o l i c y  , i t s e l f ,  

i s  u n c o n s t i t u t i o n a l ,  in our judgment.

7\nd that  i s ,  now, t h i s  i s  an a l t e r n a t i v e  con­

ten t ion ,  Your Honor.

Our four th  content ion  i s ,  o f  course ,  i s  the 

use of  f o r c e  v;as, were  not necessary  on the f a c t s  

of  th i s  case ,  but  th i s  i s  an a l t e r n a t i v e  contentioiji

We a l s o  contend that  the p o l i c y  implemented 

in ^Memphis i s  u n c o n s t i t u t i o n a l  under the Fourteenth  

Amendment and. Fourteenth and Fourth Amendment, 

because there  were no g u i d e l i n e s  drawn to govern  

the p o l i c e  o f f i c e r ’ s conduct in  connect ion with  

dead ly  f o r c e  v/hich was des igned  s p e c i f i c a l l y  to 

p ro t e c t  human l i f e ,  except  to ,  i f  in those s i t u a ­

t ions  in  v;hicji the use o f  dead ly  f o r c e  would be 

j u s t i f i e d .  In our v iew ,  i t  i s ,  f a i l u r e  o f  gvxide- 

l i n o s , f a i l u r e  to have g u i d c l i n o s ,  wc thii^K i s ,  inj 

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v i o l a t i o n  of  tne i n t i v i a u a l ' a , v i o l a t i o n  of  the 

Fourth Auienciu'.ent, and that  the Fourth Aaoudment 

aliio dornaiuis that  c ju ide l inos  be r e a s o n a b le .

A l s o ,  we contend th a t .  Your donor ,  the v o l a ­

t i l e  ness b r i n g s  i t  r i g h t  under the d ighth  Araeuauientl, 

because i t  c o n s t i t u t e s  c ru e l  and unusual  punishmentJ
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We a l s o  contend that  i t  v i o l a t e s  the due p r o ­

cess c lause  in  more s u b s ta n t i v e  than, in  which I  

spoke a moment ago,  and that  i s  tha t  the a u t h o r i t i e s  

r i g h t  c f  taking of  human l i f e ,  d e p r i v in g  a su spec t !  

of  ciLl o f  tiie b i l l  c f  b i g h t s  guarantees  that  he has ;  

i n c lu d in g  the r i g h t  to counse l ,  the r i g h t  to t r i a l  

by j u ry ,  and what have you, the due p rocess  c l a u s e ;  

i s  v i o l a t e d  un less  tiiore are  compel l ing  j u s t i f i c a ­

t ions  f o r  the implementat ion of  dead ly  f o r c e ,  

which wo d o n ' t  think are p re sent  wiiere the hegro  

suspect  poses no t h r e a t  to the s a f e t y  of  any i n d i ­

v i d u a l  .

And f i n a l l y .  Your honor,  we think that  becauseiI
the p o l i c y  i s  implemented in Memphis, has a very i 

r e a l  aiid demonstrab le  r a c i a l  impact and because i t  

i s  in  f a c t  c a r r i e d  out d i s p r o p o r t i o n a t e l y  a g a in s t  

f l e e i n g  blac, :  su spects  tiian i t  i s  a g a in s t  f l e e i n g  

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anu jui3t cltiii'.'.s o f  the Fourteenth Araendinent and 

420S, Sect ion  1981.

Thank you. Your honor.

THU COURT: Do you v;ish to make an opening

statement ,  Hr.  Shea?

MR. SilhA; Very b r i e f l y .  Your honor.

I t  i s  the c i t y ' s  p o s i t i o n  that  the ac t i on  

that  took p l ace  on tiie n igh t  o f  January the Uth, 

v;as one that  was j u s t i f i e d ,  and Your honor has 

s u c c in c t l y  s e t  out  that  each case has to be judged  

on i t s  ov/n m e r i t s .  We j u s t  c a n ' t  make a sweeping  

statement  and say that  a l l  Negro f e l o n s  should be 

permit ted  to escape and, and/or they should  shoot  

a l l  IJegro f e l o n s ,  and i t  depends on the circuru-  

s t a n c e s .

Your honor has a l s o  s t a t e d  that  a th r e e - j u d g e  

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of  Tennessee,  was found a t  that  t ime, tha t  s t a tu t e  

v/ao c o n s t i t u t i o n a l ,  and has not been ove r tu rned ,  

and I do, in  e f f e c t ,  think v/hat they are asking i s  

tha t  th i s  Court d e c l a r e  that  s e c t i o n  TCA, Sect ion  

40 dash 000 u n c o n s t i t u t i o n a l . I

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at  that  tirae.

Tlili COURT; A i l  r i g h t ,  s i r .

You laay proceed v;ith your p ro o f  and ev idence .

MR. CALDV.hlLL: I f  Your Honor p l e a s e ,  i f  I  may

take up one other  p r e l im in a ry  matter .

P r e v i o u s l y ,  p r i o r  to the p rev ious  t r i a l  s e t t i n g ,  

we i s sue d  a subpoena to D i r e c to r  Hubbard to produce  

v a r io u s  documents a t  tiie then scheduled  t r i a l ,  

among those weJB photocjraplis and w h a t -h a v e -y o u , and 

I th ink Mr. Shea may have those a e r i a l  photograhpsi  

and what -havG-you here  today.

We a l s o  “ “ ( i n t e r r u p t e d )

HR. SHEA; Yes,  s i r .

HR. CALDWELL; We a l s o  requested  the i n v e s t i ­

g a t i v e  f i l e ,  i f  i t  e .^isted,  in  connect ion with a,  

with a th rea ten ing  l e t t e r  r e c e i v e d  by p l a i n t i f f ,

Mrs.  W i l ey ,  a f t e r  the i n s t i t u t i o n  o f  the l a w s u i t  

in th i s  cou r t ,  that  th rea ten ing  l e t t e r  had been  

forwarded  to D i r e c t o r  Hubbard and we have never  

r e c e i v e d  any x-esponse from him, and as I  understand

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MR. oIlLA: (Mods nuad in  the a f  f  i r ruat ive .)

MR. CALDMRLL: May tlie r eco rd  show Hr. She:i

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MR. SULA; Yes ,  s i r .

HR. CALDVIELL; We a l s o  reques ted .  Your Honor,  

any documents conta in ing  or r e l a t i n g  to p o l i c y  

l i a i i l i t y  in surance  which was in  e f f e c t  on Jaiiuary 

8, 1972, or  at  the p re se n t ,  and as I understand i t  

that  Mr. Shea ' s  rosi^ionse to that ,  at the tiiae o f  

th i s  there  was no p o l i c y  o f  l i a b i l i t y  insurance  in  

e f f e c t  on January 8, 1972?

MR. SHEA: That i s  c o r r e c t .

MR. ChhDMLLL,-. That i s ,  I tn ink tha t  i s ,  takeh 

care  o f  a l l  of  our pre l ixa inary  xaatters,  Your lionor

THE COURT: You may proceed with  your p roo f

and ev idence .

MR. CALDWELL: We c a l l  p l a i n t i f f ,  Mrs.  Martha

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HARTIIA .vlLEY ,

the 3 aid  witne.so, havin'^^ been f i r s t  duly sv/orn,

t e s t i i i e d  as f o l l o w s :

DIRECT il :: AMI h'AT I  ON 
AY MR. ARNOLD;

U Mrs. Vviley, we are -i-oing to have to ask you to  

speak l oud ly  enough so that  Mr. Dhoa can hear you aiid 

we can hoar  you^ and His Honor can near you.

Give us your name and your x^resent address ,  p lease?  

A Martna Mae Wi ley ,  1176 Neptune,  Apartment 3.

Q And tl iat i s  a d i f f e r e n t  address  than whore you wort

l i v i n g  in  January o f  '72,  i s  that  cor roct?  j
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‘Where  v/ore y o u  l i v i n g  th en ?

A Twenty - four  0 four  Warren.

MR. SilLh: I f  Your Honor p l e a s e ,  may I move

Ui'j there?

THH COURT: Y e s ,  s i r ,  y o u  may .

MR. SHHA; Because I 'm - -  I 'm  s o r r y ,  I ' d  

b e t t e r  stciy back here with these gentlemen,  so they 

can hear her ques t ions  too.

THH COURT: W e l l ,  Mrs. V.'iley, t h i s  i s  a b i g

room, and i t  i s  not i n f r e q u e n t  tha t  w i t n e s s e s ,  in  

a b i g  room, f ind  tnat  i t  i s  unusual  to be c a l l e u  i 

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any o i  t h e s e  o t h e r  i > e r s o n s  t h a t  a r e  c o n c e r n e a ,  

p l e a s e  s p e a k  l o u d l y  e n o u g h  s o  t h e y  ca n  h e a r  y o u .

'llii: . : iTI‘Ibbb : ( h o d s  h e a d  i n  t !ie  a f  f  i r i u a t i  ve . )

( C o n t i n u i n g )  - -  2-104 w ' a r r o n .

h i  MR. ARhOLD:

(j That i s ,  ba r ren  i s  v/here you were?

A T h a t  i s  v ;hcre  I  was  l i v i n g  when  iny s o n  - -  ( i n t e r ­

r u p t e d )

d I n  u’ a n u a r y  o f  ' 7 2 ?

A U iu -hua .

y Wi iat ,  how many o t h e r  inembers o f  y o u r  f a m i l y  a r e  

t h e r e ,  M r s .  . / i l e y ,  o t h e r  c h i l d r e n ?

A I  h a v e  tw o  in o re  s o n s .

And what are tnese ,  t h e i r  p r e se n t  ciges?

A One i s  twenty -th ree  and the otJier i s  twenty-one.

y And v/nat are t h e i r  names, p l e a s e ,  laa'ara?

A. James odward Berry  and Jiwray Lee n e r r y .

Q . A l i e n ,  w n i c i i ,  and  w h i c h  on e  i s  t w e n t y - t u r e e  and  

w h i c h  one  i s  t w e n t y - o n e ?

A Jaii.es ndv.'ard Berry  i s  t w e n t y - t h r e e , Jimmy Berry

i s  twenty-one.

y /vad a r e  y o u  s e p a r a t e d  f r o m  y o u r  h u s b a n d ,  i s  t h a t  

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4 V v.'hat a re ,  v;hat i s  Janes lldward doing now, Mrs.

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i 15 A Seventy,  I th ink.

1 o 16 ij And what about your other  son, the twenty-one year

i 17 o ld  Jimmy, v/hat i s  he doing now?

1\s 18 A He i s  working a t  s t e e l  f a c to r y  in  S t .  Lou i s .
%\]j 19 Q Are e i t h e r  one o f  them married?

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1 22 A I have throe g r a n d c h i l d r e n .

1 2.3 0 We want to t a l k ,  Mrs. W i l ey ,  about F r e d d i e . What **

24 was F r e u d i o ' s  b i r thday?

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U On the VJell, p r i o r  to the time o f ,  or  p r i o r  to

h is  cicatix, had he ( i n t e r r u p t e d )

THK COURT; You nay proceed .

BY HR. ARNOLD:

Q Had he had any d i f f i c u l t i e s  v>.'ith the law?

A VJell, once he had when he was a s m a l l - f r y .

Q Now o ld  was he then?

A About e leven  or  twe lve .

g And what was,  what d id  that  i n v o l v e ,  Mrs. i/iley?

A W e l l ,  they s a id  he had broken iixto s c h o o l .  We l l

they picked  up him and a l o t  o f  more l i t t l e  boys around 

in  the neighborhood where I was l i v i n g ,  

g Did you go down to the j u v e n i l e  cour t  in  that  

regard?

A I d id .

Q Did he have any o t h e r s ,  any o ther  problexas witn

the law other  than the time wlxen he v/as e leven  or  

twelve?

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only tinio iie v/as away f r o ’.n honie.

U Now, when v/eis tha t ,  f irs,  ri i ley?

A I think i t  v;as '6 8, sonev/hcre a long in  th e r e .

U How long v/as ho av;ay f ron  home a t  that  t i n e ,  l l r s . 

V7ilcy?

A About si : ;  nontha .

•j And hov/ long had ho been back home b e f o r a  the t ine

he v/as k i l l e d ?

A Oh, I d o n ' t  knov; e x a c t l y .  He had been home over  a 

y e a r ,  I 'm  su re .

Q A l l  r i g h t .

HR. ARNOLD: Your Honor, in  th i s  r e g a rd ,  and

we have marked the three pages Iroxa the j u v e n i l e  

court  f i l e s  which are  a t t e s t e d  cop ie s  o f  the f i r s t  

shov/ing Fredd ie  Berry  at  age f o u r t ee n ,  in  196 0, 

be ing  p laced  on p roba t io n  f o r  a b u r g l a r y  t h i r d  

degree  charge ,  the second showing Fredd ie  Lee 

Ber ry ,  age s i x t e e n ( f i f t e e n ) ,  be ing  committed to 

that  department of  c o r r e c t i o n s  f o r  d i s o r d e r l y  con­

duct  in  that  he d id  use p r o f a n i t y  and v u l g a r  l a n ­

guage to an a s s i s t a n t  schoo l  p r i n c i p a l .

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TIi£ COURT: M l  r icjht ,  s i r .

I take i t  that  those are Jiot be ing  in t roduced  

a t  t h i s  t ine?

MR. /iRl.OLD: Yes,  s i r ,  Your Honor, v/e would

l i k e  f o r  tiioni to be in t roduced .

xMll. HHHA: Hxcuse me. Are you in t ro du c in g

then

MR. ARNOLD: h 'e l l ,  we v;ould l i k e  to  in t roduce

and mark them r e c e i v e d .

MR. SHEA; Complete re co rd  o f  j u v e n i l e  court  

or j u s t  - -  (pause )

MR. ARNOLD; D i g e s t ,  those are the only matters  

in \7hat i s  c a l l e d  the l e g a l  j a c k e t  o f  the j u v e n i l e  

cour t .

THE COURT: Viel l ,  in  any event ,  these are tne

matters that  are be ing o f f e r e d  by the p l a i n t i f f ,  | 

and that  the defendant  i s  f r e e  to c ross -examine  ori 

produce anything e l s e  that  miglit b ea r  upon the 

matter w ithout  g e t t i n g  in to  any debate  on that  sub­

j e c t .

MR. ARNOLD: A l l  r i g h t ,  s i r .

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Corry Jun ior  High.  

What grade v?as he in? 

He waa in the niisth.

g Had he ever  f a i l e d  any grade in  school?

A He f a i l e d  once.

Q What grade v/aa tha t ,  do you reinenber?

A Ho. I think i t  wan about the second or t h i r d ,  I 

knov;, second or t h i r d  g rade ,  sonewhere a long in  th e r e ,  

g Mrs.  V/iloy, I wonder i f  you could  t e l l  His Honor 

some o f  the th ings  you renieinber about Freddie?

MR. SllHA; I f  Your Honor p l e a s e ,  I'*a going to 

o b j e c t  to that  q u e s t i o n .  Vie could s t a r t  v^ith the 

day he v/as born and come on fo rward  to the n igh t  

o f  h i s  death .  I th ink c e r t a i n l y  she,  she should  

be l i i i i i ted in what she c?n r e c a l l  about her  son 

and I o b j e c t  to the cjuestion.

THE COURT: W e l l ,  at  th i s  time, you may be

t e c lu i i c a l l y  c o r r e c t ,  but  a t  t h i s  time, a t  l e a s t ,  

I ’ m go ing to o v e r r u l e  your o b j e c t i o n .

I f  we get  in to  what seems to be u n n e c e s sa r i l y  

or un —  i r r e l e v a n t  events ,  d€! ta i l s ,  w e ' l l  then 

hear about thera, but  I 'm  going to o v e r ru l e  your  

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4 few ye a r s ,  years  b e f o r e  h i s  death,  l i ra.  W i l ey ,  as to

5 tho type o f  boy and son that  he v;as?

6 h  W e l l ,  he was, he,  he was, I d i d n ' t  have any trouble

7 with  hit.i, no more than j u s t  m is ch ie f ,  m i s c h i e f ,  niis-

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2 (V/hercupon, at  2;15 n.ni.,  the Court was

3 in the a f t e rnoon  recess  and pursuant  to the

4 r e c e s s ,  Court reconvened at  2;28 p . u . ,  and

5 the lol lo\/iny proceedinvjs v f̂ore had . )

6 Thh COURT: A l l  r i - jh t ,  yent lenon .

7 (Vdiereupon, V/itness hi  l e y  re tu rns  to the

8 w i tness  stand and resumes her testimony as

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\l Q Mrs.  v ; i loy ,  v/hat was the date Fredd ie  was k i l l e d ?

12 A January 3, 19 72.

13 .Q What time did he l eave  the house that  n i g h t ,  Mrs.

14 'Wiley?

15 A V/ell, i t  had - -  a t  about seven,  maybe about seven,

16 I d o n ' t  know e x a c t l y .

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18 A I was in  lay s i s t e r ' s ,  j u s t  a fev; s t r e e t s  from wher

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20 U What time d id  you leai 'n o f  F r e d d i e ' s  b e ing  shot?

21 A W e l l ,  I ' d  say about .  I 'm  not su re ,  but  i t  V7as

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2 h I d id .

3 vi v^ould you t o i l  me baaicaife' what hai>pencd there

4 at the h o s p i t a l ?

5 A .v’e i l ,  \/hen I go t  to the h o s p i t a l  I wont to the

6 emergency room and I ashed them and they t o ld  me that

7 I had to go in  a l i t t l e  o f f i c e  where some pol iceman was,

8 GO' I went in  there  and they t o ld  ne to s i t  down, down,

9 so I s i t  dov;n, and d i d n ' t  anybody t e l l  me anyth ing ,  thej

10 d i d n ' t  t e l l  me. noth ing .  So, a f t e r  a v/liile, the docto r

11 come and t o ld  me, and that  i s  v;hen I f i n d  out when the

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13 Q Did you l a t e r  see F r e d d i e ’ s body?

14 A I d i  d .

15 When was th a t ,  Mrs.  ‘Wiley?

16 A W e l l ,  a fev/ minutes a f t e r  tiie doctor  t o ld  me that

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22 n i gh t ,  do you };now?

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Q l ira,  W i l ey ,  uy aiame i c  Ar thur  Shea, I  av. a Di„c:r: : 

Attornay .  I r e p re s en t  t.he p o l i c e  o f f i c e r s  in  tne city  

o f  IlGiapiiis in  th i s  laatter,  and I don ’ t want to uo, i

to be uxikiiid, but  I have a job to do and I  hope you a... . 

stand i t .

Vhiere v/as Fredd ie  born?

A Jolm Gaston.

Here in  Meiaphis, Tennessee?

R i g h t .

And what v/as tlie date  o f  h i s  b i r th ?

January the 8 th, I  mean January the 23rd.  

January 237 

nineteen  f i f t y - f i v e .

I l incteon f i f t y - f i v e .

And who i s  F r e d d i e ’ s ,  who v/as F r e d d i e ' s  father?  

C l in ton  Be r ry ,  h i s  f a t h e r  i s  dead.

How long has h i s  f a t h e r  been dead?

Oh, I thin] ;  i t  v/as in  '6  8 , I b e l i e v e .

Since 1368?

(hods head in  the a f f i r m a t i v e . )

A l l  r i g h t .

tJow, liow many other  c h i l d r e n ,  how many ch i ld rou  

you Iiave a l t o g e th e r?



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W e l l ,  you have tv.-o now?

{WodG head in  the ar t i r raat ivo  , )  

You had three  c i i i iuren?

I liad th ree .

You had throe .

And V7hen ax;a whore were you laarr icd to F r e d d i e ' s  

f a the r?

A Marion,  iArkanaas.

0 And what kind o f  bu s ine s s  was he iii?

A W e l l ,  he d id ,  worked,  work j u s t  l i k e  anybody e l s e ,  |

c o n s t ru c t io n .  lie d id  some c on s t ru c t ion  work,  i
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Q Cons t ruc t ion .  !

A l l  r i g h t .  I
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on Warren Stree t?

A R ight .

U A i l  r i g h t .

Nov.', now where i s  Warren located?

A I t  i s  o f f  o f  B e l l e v u e .

Q O f f  o f  Be l levue?

A Ura-imm.

U /About how f a r  i s  i t  from Ferguson S t r e e t ,  do you 

knov/ where Ferguson S t r e e t  is?

A No, I d o n ' t .



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Fredd ie  waa supposed to have broken into?

A I  l;now whore tha t .

iiow f a r  do you l i v e  f r on  tncre?

A 1 d o n ' t  l i v e  f a r .

w Vlhen you say;

" I  don ’ t  l i v e  f a r , ”

was i t  one b l o c k ,  or  two b l o c k s ,  or  v/hat?

Maybe about three  or  f ou r  b l o c k s ,  I  yucss .

Three or  f ou r  blocJis?

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A l l  r i g h t .

Now, d id ,  i s  that  a housing p r o j e c t ,  i s  thex'e a 

l o t  o f  apartments there?

A Ho. This v.u-i3 a house.

Q You l i v e d  in  a house on Warren?

A Yea.

Q Are there  any apartments around the a rea  near

v/hero you l i v e d?

A Yes,  s i r .  The Clementine Apartments ,

U About hov/ many un i t s  are  there  in  the Clementine

Apartments? A l o t  o f  tlxom?

A Just  l i k e  any o ther  ai jartments,  I suppose,  I don ’ t 

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A vJeil, i t  ia  apartments l i k e  that *

I t  i s  apartments,  sc i t  i s  a b i g  coiaplox with  a lot  

of  f a m i l i e s  l i v i n g  in  them?

A Yes,  s i r ,  I suppose so .

i> Okay.

Wov/, was that  a ashool n i gh t ,  the n igh t  that  Freddi?

died?

A No, i t  was on Sa tu rday .

U’ Was Sa tu rday .

And you say you were over  a t  your s i s t e r ' s  house?

A That i s  r i g h t .

g So W’hat  tirae d id  you go over  to your s i s t e r ' s  

house?

A Maybe about ,  about seven t h i r t y ,  or  something l i k e

that .

Q Seven th i r t y ?

A I 'm  not su re ,  because I  d i d n ' t  look at  the time.

Q A l l  r i g h t ,

but  F redd ie  l e f t  the house b e f o r e  you went over to 

your s i s t e r ’ s house?

A Yes,  I guess he d id ,  a few minutes b e f o r e  I l o f t .

Q So i f  you l o f t  a t  seven t h i r t y ,  then he l e f t  j u s t  i  

fev; rainutes b e f o r e  that? ,

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s i s t e r ' s  l a t e r  on.

Q La te r  on?

A Ur.)“huui.

w A l l  r i y l i t .

And v/hat kinu o f ,  what time d id  F redd ie  have to be 

in  at n iyht?

A W e l l ,  I t o ld  hira to always be in  b e fo r e  twe lve ,  

b e fo r e  twe lve .

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^ And d id  he obey you in  that  re spect?

A Most o f  the t ime, but sometimes ho ove rs tayed .

I f  he yot  to p l ay iny  he ove r s tay e d .

W A l l  r i g h t .

how, you t e s t i f i e d  that  Fred had sorae involvement,  

had been in  the j u v e n i l e  cour t  and was l a t e r  sent  to 

P i k e v i l l e ,  i s  tiiat cor rec t?

That i s  r i g h t .

7\11 r i g l i t .

Now, where,  when i s  the f i r s t  time that  Fred was 

handled by the j u v e n i l e  a u t h o r i t i e s ,  liow o ld  v/as he?

A About e leven  or twe lve .

^ Did he t e l l  you where he wae yoiiiy tiiat ni<jhtV

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g W e l l ,  nov/, they have aaov.'n you

iHi. SiiLA: Waere i s  that  e x h i b i t ?  |

(vfhoreupon, s a i c  in s t rune i i t  i s  passed to | 

Mr. Shea. )

g (Cont inui ju j ) - -  1968 i n c i d e n t ,  I b e l i e v e  he was 

f our teen  in  1968, i s  tha t  co r rec t?

A ■ In ' 6 8 , he v/aa s i x t e e n ,  he c o u l d n ' t  have been,  he 

was s i x t ee n  v.dien he yot k i l l e d ,  

g W e l l ,  you sa id  the f i r s t  tir.ie that  he had, I inoan, !

th is  i s  dated May of  1969 , excuse rae. he v/as age f o u r -  j

teen at  th i s  t iwe in  1969 , ho v/as f ou r teen  years  o l d ;  |I
cor rec t?  |

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cour ts  when he was e leven?

A Yes,  s i r .  They cane by and p icked ,  j u s t  l i k e  they 

picked  up c h i l d r e n ,  he was a l i t t l e  boy at  that  time anc 

they j u s t  coiae by and picked  up a whole lat o f  l i t t l e  

boys and s a id  he had d id  th i s  th in g .  They picked  up a 

whole l o t  o f  l i t t l e  boys around th e r e .  That was the 

f i r s t  time.

Q That v/as the f i r s t  tii.iO.

When was tlie next  time a f t e r  that?

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A Tho ncxc v;a3 v.’hcn ht; and had aor.'.e t r o u b l e

at  schoo l .

Q At school?

A Uh-huh.

Q That v/as ivhon he was four teen?

Now, the reason that  they - -  Vlhy d id  they send h iu  

to P i k e v i l l c  i f  he liad only been in t r o u b l e  two tin;es?

t4R. ARNOLD: O b j e c t  to the q u e s t i o n ,  Your

Honor. She c a n ' t  p o s s i b l y  knov? the ansv7er to th a t .

MR. SliLA: I f  Your Honor p l e a s e ,  th i s  i s

c r o s s - e x a m i n a t i o n .
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THli COURT: W e l l ,  I suqyest  that  counse l

rephrase  the qu es t ion  in l i g h t  o f  the o b j e c t i o n .

MR. SilL’A: A l l  r i g h t .

Would you read the qu es t i on  back,  p lease?

THE REPORTER: ( I ;eadiny)  :

"Now, the reason that  they - -  Why did  

they send him to P i k c v i l l e  i f  he had only beer  

in  t r o u b l e  tv?o times?"

BY MR. SiiEA:

0 How many times d id  you go over to the j u v e n i l e

cour t  where the n a t t e r  in vo l v e d  I’r edd ic  Berry?

A T w ic e .

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Q And on the th i r d  occas ion ,  tJiat i s  v/hen he v/as 

to P i l ' . ev i l le?

A Yes ,  s i r .

U And he stayed in  P i k e v i l l e  f o r  ixow lor-y?

A I s a i d  about s i x  iriontlis .

Q About s i x  months?

7\nd he was committed to Tike v i l l a  a f t e r  having , 

dec l a r ed  a d o l i q u en t  by the c ou r t ;

" I t  i s  th e ro to re  o rde red ,  ad judged,  ar... 

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C o r r e c t io n  f o r  an i n d e f i n i t e  p e r i o d  of  ti;.u. 

That i s  the n ineteen  - -  lie was f i f t e e n  at  that  

i s  that  co r rec t?

I  guess he was.

Q A l l  r i g h t .

how, now, you bought F r e d ’ s c lo th es  f o r  him, did: 

you? Did he work at  a l l ?

A h o .

U He d i d n ' t  work at  a l l ?

A No.

Q D i d n ' t  have a job  or nothing a t ,  at  the grocery

s t o r e ,  d e l i v e r  papers ,  or  anything l i k e  that?

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spendino money?

A Til at i i5 r i g h t *

U And you bought a l l  o f  l i is c lo thes?

A That i s  r i g h t ,  but he got  money from h i s  daddy 's

d e a t h .

Q He got  money frora h i s  f a t h e r ' s  death?

A That i s  r i g h t .

S o c i a l  Secur i ty?

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He rece ived  some money every  month?

Every month.

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A Mo, I j u s t  got  i t  f o r  the k i d s .

Q How much money d id  you r e c e i v e  every  month?

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out of  s choo l ,  I j u s t  got  i t  f o r  him and he got  ninety  

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Q iJ inoty -s ix  d o l l a r s  per  raonth?

A Urn-hum.

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A 1/ I v;as working.  1 v^ould buy food ,  c l o t h e s ,  anu 

g ive  hiv:\ npcnding ncncy .

W Whore were you working at  the t ine?

A I v/as working f o r  the Board o f  Educat ion.

^ Tvre you s t i l l  working f o r  the board of  Education?

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A Jun ior  Higli, C o r r y .

Q Corry?

A Junior  i l igh.

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tean,  or b a s k e t b a l l  team?

A No. lie j u s t  l i k e d  to p l a y .  He p l ayed ,  p layed  at  

hone .

Q And he p layed  at  hone?

A Yes ,  because he oven f i x e d  up a g o a l .

Q He f i x e d  up iiiiv.self a goa l  at  the house?

Yes,  s i r .

U How b i g  was Fred at the t ine  he died?

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0 W e l l ,  v;hen you say:  " He was smal l  to hi 3 a g e , "  hex'.

b i g v;as he?

A W e l l ,  I d o n ' t  think he was as t a l l  as I am.

W You d o n ' t  think so?

hov/, you stood next  to Uiiii, o f  course . iiow t a l l

was he and hov; much d id  he V7eigh?

A W e l l ,  I 'm  not su re .  I 'n not sure  how much he

w e igh ed .

Q W e l l ,  can you guess ,  one hundred f i f t y  pounds, or  

one hundred s i x ty?

A Oh, he d i d n ' t  weigh one hundred f i f t y .  lie might  

have weighed one hundred or  maybe one hundred t h i r t y  or  

f o r t y ,  something l i k e  th a t .

0 lie v/eighed one hundred t h i r t y  or  f o r t y  pounds?

A Maybe.

Q Maybe.

W e l l ,  was he f i v e  f e e t  s i x  inches t a l l ?

A lie might have been f i v e ,  but I  d o n ' t  think he i s  

as t a l l  as I an.

Q W e l l ,  how t a l l  are  you?

A K’e l l ,  I maybe have growed some, I was f i v e  f o u r .

W You think maybe you 've  grown sorae?

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as you were and \7oicjhed iibout, a p p ro x in a t e l y  one huiidret 

t h i r t y - f i v e  or f o r t y  pounds? 

h W e l l ,  I ' m not su re .  He p robab ly  weighed one hundrc 

and aoiriething, but  I ’ n not su re .

Q how, you Sc-\y he was in  the ninth grade and 

( i n to r ru r  ted)

A R ight .

Q (Cont inu ing )  - -  and not advanced on one occas ion ,

v?hc;n he was in  the second or t h i r d  grade?

7\ Said  v;hat?

he was not in the grade  he should  have been because  

he v/as he ld  back one yozir?

A Ho .

Q Do you r e c a l l  an occas ion ,  October  o f  1969 , v/here 

your son was a, in j u v e n i l e  court  f o r  a s s a u l t  and 

ba t te ry?

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y Did you go over to j u v e n i l e  court  in October ,  of  

1969, because your son was there ,  or  had to appear on a 

charge where your son had to appear on a charge of  

a s s a u l t  and ba t te ry?

MR. ARh'OLD: {standing. )

A  Y e s ,  s i r .

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2 MR. ARI-^OLD: I f  Your honor p l e a s e ,  I b e l i e v e

3 we are  d e a l in g  with an a r r e s t  l ierc.  Thera i s  no

4 b a s i s ,  f i n d in g  that  there  i s  a con v ic t i on  in  t l i i s

5 n a t t e r .  I  o b j e c t  to any ques t ions  concerning th i s

6 a r r e s t .

7 Tilh COURT: .vei l ,  I am going to o v e r ru l e  your

8 o b j e c t i o n .  I f  i t  i s  a laatter that  should  be con-

9 a i d e r e d ,  we f e e l ,  i f  your o b j e c t i o n  i s  w e l l - t a k e n ,

10 we, and ue shoxild not take i t  in to  account,  v/o‘ l l

11 d i s r e g a r d  i t ,  but I ‘ ra going to ,  s ince  t h i s  i s  a

12 n on - ju ry  p roceed ing ,  v;e are going to o v e r r u l e  the

13 o b j e c t i o n  as to the qu es t i o n ,  i f  the w i tn e s s  knows

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15 Q Can you answer the ques t ion?

16 A Of who?

17 Q A s s a u l t  and ba t te ry?

18 A On who?

19 Q Upon whom, I don ’ t knov;, but  you t e s t i f i e d  c a r l i e r

20 that  you only went to j u v e n i l e  cour t  th ree  t in e s ;  i s

21 that  co r rec t?

22 A I d o n ' t  know anyth ing ,  anything about  a s s a u l t  and

23 b a t t e r y .

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at j u v e n i l e  court  on or aliout May the 6 tli, 1970 , on a 

charge o f  truancy?

MR. /iRiiOLD; JuGt f o r  the reco rd ,  nay the 

Court note a cont inu ing  o b j e c t i o n  to tliin Matter  

v;hich d e e a n ' t  dea l  with  any conv ic t ion?

TiiD COURT: './ell, the Court ,  in  any event ,

w i l l  s t a t e  i n s o f a r  as the eleriient o f  damages are  

concerned,  i f  the i - ' l a i n t i f f  e s t a b l i s h e s  a case thati, 

v;hat k ind of  a the deceased was i s  a matter

that  i s  x’® t t in e n t  to the C o u r t ' s  i n q u i r y  v/ith 

r ega rd  to damages, i f  any, that  may be awarded.  Sc 

that ,  in any event ,  there  r.iay be a x>ertinency,  

though i t  may not,  f o r  other  x 'urposes,  but  s ince  

there  has been some testiiiiony r e l a t i n g  to the 

d e c e a s e d ’ s s i t u a t i o n  at  the time of  the tragedy  

th.at occurred ,  the Court ,  in  any event ,  i s  p ex -  

mitt ing  the ques t ions  which p e r t a i n  to h i s  s i t u a t i o n  

cit or  about the time of  the death.

MR. ARNOLD; I f  I may address  that  po in t  j u s t  

b r i e f l y .

THU COURT: A l l  r i g h t ,  s i r .

MR. ARI/ObD; wc would o b j e c t  to ,  a long those  

l i n o s ,  as w e l l  as the c o n s i d e r a t i o n  of  an a r r e s t

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not be a proper  b an i s  i o r  d o t a r ’iiinin<.j the type o£ 

p e r a o n .

Thank you.

THil COURT: You nay be e n t i r e l y  c o r r e c t ,  but

the l a s t  quea t ion  p e r t a in in g  to truancy and the 

C o u r t * 3 obne rva t ion  p o r t a in a  p r i n a r i l y  to that ,  on 

til at  qu es t i on .

3Y MR. ShbA:

0 Do you r e c a l l  ever  l iaviny to go over  to j u v e n i l e  

court  becauno Fred Lee Derry had been suninonsed because  

o£ truancy?

A I d o n ' t  rencfnber.

0 Yom d o n ' t  roiriember?

A (Mods head in  the n e g a t i v e . )

Q A l l  r i g h t .

How, on August the 19th, 1971, do you r e c a l l  v/hethc 

or not you ever  went to j u v e n i l e  court  on another charge! 

o f  a s s a u l t  and b a t t o r y  f o r  your son?

A Ho, I d o n ' t .

Q How - -  ( i n t e r r u p t e d )

HR. CALDu'bLL: Your Honor, nay tho reco rd

that  Mr. Hhea's  qu es t i on  assuinos tl iat he i s ,  he has
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tlio 3tatGi:ient3 of  counse l ,  un less  they are ac:rct;G 

statements ,  or  the form o f  ques t ions  that  are put 

i n ,  that  the Court does not t r e a t  or  cons ide r  as 

proo f  or  ev idence .  We take our ev idence  from the 

sworn testimony o f  the w i t n e s s e s ,  s u b j e c t  to any 

p e r t i n e n t  c r o s s - e x a m i n a t i o n ,

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the q u e s t i o n .  The Court assumes nothing  with  

rega rd  to that  statement .

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In August,  approximate ly  the 19th, 1971, d id  you 

appear a t  the j u v e n i l e  cour t  as r e s u l t  o f  your s o n ' s  

having been charged with  a s s a u l t  and b a t te ry?  |
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you rei^ernber t l iese.

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Q You should have knov/n, good, a l l  r i g h t .

tlo i s  i t  p o s s i b l e  that  you could  have been there ,
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A I  d o n ' t  reneruber be ing  the re .

Q A l l  r i g l i t .

You d o n ' t  ronenber .

On 11-24-71,  do you r e c a l l  having been in  juven i l e  

court  on a charge o f  b u rg l a ry?

A On th a t ,  so they s a i d ,  I reiner.ber, I  remember that

Q So they sa id? W e l l ,  I mean, you v/ere there?

A I wore th e r e .

Q You v/ere there?

A (Mods head in the a f f i r m a t i v e . )

he was not there  on that  cnarge though, does i t?

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3 THE COURT: As E x h i b i t  3, introduced/ there

4 bcincj no o b j e c t i o n  s t a t e d .

5 (Whereupon, the s a i d  e x h i b i t  p r e v i o u s l y

6 marked Number 3, was r e ce iv ed  in  e v id e n c e . )

7 BY MR. ARNOLD:

8 0 Mrs.  Wilc-y, the autoi:>3 y r e p o r t  on Fred Lea Berry

9 s t a t e s  that  he v;eiyhed one hundred e i gh teen  pounds.

10 Does that  sound about r i g h t  to you?

11 A I t  cou ld ,  yes ,  s i r ,  because I thought he was email
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13 Q I t  s t a t e s  that  h i s  heighth  was s i x t y - f o u r  in ch es .

14 S i x t y - f o u r  inches ,  i f  my mathematics i s  c o r r e c t ,  i s  f i v e
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17 I d i d n ' t  think he was as t a l l  as I an.

18 MR, A.RNOLD: That i s  a l l ,  Your honor.

19 THE COURT: Anything fu r the r?

20 SHEA: Nothing f u r t h e r .

21 THE COURT; Mrs.  W i l ey ,  t h i s  i s  not always a

22 good qu es t ion  to ask,  p a r t i c u l a r l y  a fema le ,  but

23 would you mind t e l l i n g  the Court  your age ,  p lease?  !

24 the WITNESS: I an f o r t y - o n e .  j

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I thar.k you.

Any f u r t h e r  cfuestions?

(No r e spon a e . )

TH2 COURT; You nay step down, lira . W i l ey ,  

(Witness  excused)

THE COURT: You may proceed .

MR. ARNOLD; Your Honor, at t h i s  t ime, under  

Rule 4 3 ( b ) ,  we v;ish to c a l l ' O f f i c e r  Jawea K.

Ri c h a r d s .

MR. SHEA; I f  Your Honor p l e a s e ,  more c l a s s i ­

f i c a t i o n  - -  do you have 43(b )  w ith  you?,

MR. ARNOLD: Yes ,  s i r .

THE COURT: You nay swear h in ,  swear the v/it-

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the 3 aid  w i tn e s s ,  having been f i r s t  duly sworn,

t e s t i f i e d  as f o l l o w s :

DIRECT EXAMIlJxiTION 
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Q Uould you s t a t e  your name and p re se n t  address  to 

the Court ,  p l ea se?

A James K. R ichards ,  the Th i rd ,

Q A l l  r i g h t .

A Three two one S u l l i v a n .

MR. SHEA: I f  Your Honor p le i i se ,  at  th i s  tirae,
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s e c t i o n  reads :

"A pa r ty  may i n t e r r o g a t e  any u n w i l l i n g  

or  h o s t i l e  w i tn e s s  by l e a d in g  q u e s t i o n s . "  

D oe sn ' t  i t  have to bo determined that  th i s  j 

man i s  an u n w i l l i n g  and h o s t i l e  v/itness b e f o r e  that  

s e c t i o n  can be invoked? |

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V/hether or not he i s  h o s t i l e ,  i t  i s  deoned,  

f o r  purposes  o f  the r u l e s ,  as the Court understands  

i t ,  them, that  as nn adverse  p a r t y ,  they have a 

r i g h t  to examine him as a p a r t  o f  t h e i r  p r o o f .

HR. ARNOLD; Yes,  s i r ,  we are  c a l l i n g  hira as 

an adve r se .  V.'e don ’ t  v;ish to d ea l  with h o s t i l e  

w i tn e s s ,  or  not ,

THE COURT; A l l  r i g h t ,  you may p roceed .

BY MR. ARNOLD:

Q You a re  employed by the Memphis P o l i c e  Department,  

i s  that  r i g h t?

A Yes,  s i r .

Q And in  what capaci ty?

A Patro lman,  uniformed patro lman,

Q How long have you been employed with the department! 

in that  capaci ty?

A Over s i x  and o n e - h a l f  y e a r s ,  now.

Q I s  your - -  patro lman,  i s  that  a rank in  the d e p a r t ­

ment?

A That i s  the l ow es t  one.

Q I w a s n ' t  t r y in g  to emphasize th a t .

Are you,  arc you, w)iat do you do now in  your job  

as a patrolman?

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In what p r e c in c t  are  you v;orkin<j now?

South p r e c i n c t .

I s  the South B e l l e v u e  Marine in  that  p rec in c t?

Yes , s i r .

Q How long have you been employed a t  the south p r e ­

c inct?

A Oh, I have been dovni there  now working out of  

South Memphis f o r  about  four  and o n e - h a l f  y e a r s ,  f i v e  

y e a r s .

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Q How long had you been employed in  the south p r e ­

c in c t  p r i o r  to January,  1972?

A Oh, two and o n e - h a l f ,  maybe three  y e a r s .

Q Is  your job  today b a s i c a l l y  what i t  was in  January

of  '72,  you are  doing the same type thing?

A R ight .

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in the south p r e c i n c t ,  have you a lways  been doing th i s  

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inc ident?

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Q Tv;ice.

Were these a f t e r  the scene,  a f t e r  mat te r s ,  or  v;ere 

they at  the se'ene at  the time o f  the crime?

A ' A f t e r  the scene .

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the t imes,  time span between or  the a n t i c i p a t e d  tinic 

span between what you thought the time o f  the b u r g l a r y  

and your i n v e s t i g a t i o n  o f  i t?

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3 A yea r  be fo re?

A Y e s , a i r .

W e l l ,  a yea r  or  s i x  months b e f o r e  January o f  *72.

0 They were there  c lo se  in  t ime,  t h i s  p rev ious  investj i '

gat ion?

A Time gap of  about ,  there  were s e v e r a l  months in  

gaps .

Q I 'ra t a l k i n g  about they were c lo se  in  t ime,  so i t  

would have been more than s i x  months and l e s s  than a 

yea r ,  and dur ing  that  s i x  months p e r i o d  you were there  

tv; ice,  i s  th a t  what you arc  saying?

A R ight ,  j u s t  m y s e l f ,  r i g h t .

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r i g h t?

A (Nods head in  the a f f i r n a t i v a .)

Q ilhat were you c a l l e d  upon to do?

A Turn in ny r e p o r t ,  l a r ce n y ,  t h e f t  r e p o r t .

Q Would you t o l l  us ,  p l e a s e ,  what forms you are  

r e q u i r e d  to f i l l  out or  d id  f i l l  out in  tha t  r e ga rd  and 

e x a c t l y  how you conducted those two i n v e s t i g a t i o n s  o f  

b u rg l a ry?

A Oh, j u s t  an o f f e n s e  r e p o r t ,  goods and t ime,  what  

was taken.
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cut the fence to the back l e a d in g  out to the d ra inage  

d i t c h ,  and unloaded,  w e l l ,  had taken f i v e  or  ten motors,  

the f i r s t  t ime,  and I have f o r g o t t e n  how many the seconc  

t ime,  taken them o f f  o f  customer b o a t s ,  they had boats  

there  f o r  r e p a i r s ,  whatever ,  axid had some new in  s tock .

Q Did anyone e l s e  from the p o l i c e  department p a r t i c i ­

pate  in t h i s  i n v e s t i g a t i o n ?

A I b e l i e v e  I v/as r i d i n g  by mysel f  a t  that  t ime. I 

was the only  one.

Q And there  was no other  i n v e s t i g a t i o n  by anyone e l s e  

th e r e .  This was the e n t i r e  p o l i c e  i n v e s t i g a t i o n ?

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*.;hor:\/ v/ho ov;ned the n a t e r i a l /  obta ined  s e r i a l  nunibers 

from the motors,  eve ry th ing  l i k e  th a t ,

I j u s t ,  j u s t  d id  the p re l im in a ry  i n v e s t i g a t i o n .

Q Does the p r e l im in a ry  i n v e s t i g a t i o n  normally invo lv '  

search ing  f o r  f i n g e r p r i n t s ,  or  i s  that  done by,  by some 

one e l se?

A You know, i t ,  i f  i t  v/arrants a crime scene car  wil|L 

bo c a l l e d  f o r .

U Did you do that  a t  that  time?

A No, s i r .

Q As I understand from your  p rev ious  statement ,  you 

d id  check the route  th a t  you f e l t  the goods had been 

taken?

A Yes ,  s i r .

Q Did you f u r t h e r  check the e n t i r e  a rea ,  or  what

area  d id  you check to understand that  and make that

crime scene r e p o r t ,  o r  those two crime scenes repor t s?

A I v/alked out back w ith  *Mr. Hoffman, then,  and he i s  

missing a good number o f ,  araount o f  motors o f f  o f  boats  

and there  was a l a r g e  ho le  cut in  the chain fence r i g h t  

next to the d i t c h ,  th i s  was i t .

Q Did you do any surveys  in  the d i tch  to determine  

how they might have gone from there?

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C Difl you know whether or  not d e t e c t i v e s  d id  fo l lov ;

up oi\ these two i n v e s t i g a t i o n s ?

A I v;ould inagj.ne they# they d id .

U Aut you j u s t  do not know?

A I d o n ' t  knov/.

MR. ARIIOLD: Your Honor, r e g a r d in g  statements

o f ,  in the subpoena duces tecun, that  Hr.  C a ld w e l l  

e a r l i e r  remarkeu about ,  v/e have tv;o ea r l i e r *  i^hoto- 

graphs which have been s u pp l i e d  by the de fendants ,  

and I v/isli to ask the w i tness  to i d e n t i f y  c e r t a i n  

matters from these photographs .

At th i s  t i n e ,  I v^ould l i k e  to mark these two 

photographs as e x h i b i t s ,  \7hich  the next  number i s  

TIIH CLtRK: T h i r t y - f i v e  and t l i i r t y - s i x .

MR. ARNOLD: T h i r t y - f i v e  and t h i r t y - s i x .

THE COURT: Any o b j e c t i o n  to tlie in t r o d u c t i o n

of  E x h i b i t s  35 and 36?

MR. GlIEA: Let  me see them.

( 'thereupon, s a id  instruments arc  passed  

to Mr. Shea and then back to Mr. A r n o ld . )

MR. SHEA: (Nods head in the n e g a t i v e . )

LY MR. ARNOLD;

Q O f f i c e r  R ichards ,  I wish to show you the two

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I f  you would ,  I v/ould ask you to raake a b r i e f  

ota tenen t  about the two of  theia, i d e n t i f y i n g  the e x h i b i t s ,  

e x h i b i t  numbers f o r  the r e co rd ,  as to how they r e f l e c t  

the scene in q u e s t i o n .

MR. illlEA; Your Honor, could  we put them up 

so,  on something,  so the Court ,  and so wo can a l l  

see them?

THI3 COURT; Y e s , s i r ,  you may do th a t ,  i f  

counse l  can move over  th i s  board so that  both s i d e t  

may see i t .

You w ight  p u l l  i t  over  a l i t t l e  f u r t h e r ,  Mr. 

C le rk ,  c l o s e r  to ,  tha t  i s  f i n e .

Can you gentlemen see that?

MR. UHLA; Yes,  s i r .

BY MR. ARNOLD:

Q O f f i c e r  R ichards ,  t h i s  i s  L x h i b i t  35, and th i s  i s  

36. I f  you would maka a s tatowont  about how they r e f l e  

the scene in  that  connect ion ,  f o r  the record?

A V'/ell, t h i s  i s  South B e l l e v u e  Mar ine ,  Mar ine,  and 

the base  b u i l d i n g  on t h i s  s i d e ,  r i g h t  here  ( i n d i c a t i n g )  

This i s  the north base ,  e a s t ,  west ,  and south ,  south.

What e l s e  would you l i k e  to know, s i r ?

Q That i s  f i n e .

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MR. ARNOLD: Yc:3, six*. Your Honor.

YIID COURT: A l l  r i g h t ,  a i r .

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Q Then, i f  you would ,  show us,  nake a s i m i l a r  s t a t e ­

ment about  36,

A A l l  r i g h t .

This i s  Ferguson a long  here ( i n d i c a t i n g ) , north on 

D lv i s  P r e s l e y ,  B e l l e v u e ,  r i g h t  on the wes t ,  d ra inage  

d i tch  back e a s t ,  and south back down th i s  way.

0 And which i s  B e l l evue  Marine in  tha t  p i c tu re ?

A Right  he re .

0 Now, I b e l i e v e  E x h i b i t  35 w i l l  be e a s i e r  to exp la i i i  

the p r i o r  i n v e s t i g a t i o n s ,  i f  you would .  |

I ’ m, I have not d i s t i n g u i s h e d  betv/een the two p r i o r ,
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they in v o l v e  matters that  were missing?

A Y G s , s i  r .

Q Were both o f  thera i n v o l v in g  a ho le  cut in  the 

fence a t  the same p l a c e ,  or  d i f f e r e n t  p l aces?

A I d o n ' t  remember as f a r  as the p l a c e ,  I  remember 

approx imate ly  where i t  was cut a t .  He s a i d  the h o l e ,  j 

aga in ,  he had the fence patched on the one p r e v io u s ,  anti 

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A (Nods head in  the a f f i r m a t i v e . )

<u Would you show us ,  i f  you w i l l ,  on E x h i b i t  35, 

where th i s  ho le  v/as?

A I ' d  say rlcjht up in  hero ( i n d i c a t i n g )  about maybe 

f i f t y  o r  s e v e n t y - f i v e  f e e t  south o f  Ferguson,  on a long  

the d ra in a g e ,  a long the d ra inage  d i t c h ,  d i r e c t l y  in  the 

r e a r  ( i n d i c a t i n g ) .

U And on e i t h e r  time you d id  not go in to  the drainagf^ 

di tch?

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U I n  your i n v e s t i g a t i o n  o f  those b u r g l a r i e s ?

A No .

Q Did you go on the o u t s id e  o f  the fence a t  South 

B e l l e v u e  Marine a t  e i t h e r  time?

A No, s i r .

Q For in s t a n c e ,  when you a r r i v e d ,  v;hera dii  you parH 

your car  v;hen you were i n v e s t i g a t i n g  the b u r g l a r i e s ?

A Right  in  f r o n t .

Q Right  in  f r o n t  o f  the b u i l d in g ?

A Yes ,  s i r .

Q On E l v i s  P r e s l e y  Boulevard?

A (Nods head in  the a f f i r m a t i v e . )

A (Hods hoad in  the a f  f  i  rraative .)

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Did you, at  any otJior tir.'.o, p r i o r  to January .1, 

1972, stop to diocuGo the Matter  o f  iiov/ tne burcj lary  

invGGtigafcionG were coming or  v/hotlier iio v/aa having any' 

wore t r o u b l e  v/ith the nanager  o f  South t e l l e v u e  j'larine 

and - -  { in.tei*rupted)

I stopped in there  s e v e r a l  t imes,  but  I d o n ' t  

remcnibsr the p e r i o d  a f t e r  1 got  the r e p o r t .  The p r i o r  

one, I took,  1 stopped by .  He s a i d :

" I  have been

They wore always h i t t i i u j  the rrnn up f o r  motors .

Q Did you, a t  any t in e ,  other  than those tv;o o f f i c i a  

inves  t iy a t i on n  look at the fence v/here tlie th ings  might  

have been taken from?

A I stood by ,  went the re ,  by there  a couple  o f  times 

at  n igh t ,  chocking,  checking the bu s in e s s  f o r  him at  

n ig h t .  At that  time, t i n e ,  we d id  r o t a t e  s l i i f t s .

C And wlien you went to cliock, do you remember where  

you stopped and ho-w you were checking? Could you t e l l  

us one or  more t i r - o s , hov; tha t  might have haijpeneu?

A v/ell,  I remember going down Ferguson,  and in to  the 

i n to  the d i t c h ,  and behind the shep l i n e  d i t c h ,  a long  

the d i tch  th e re ,  l i k e  I say ,  there  f i f t y  or  seventy - f iv c ;  

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And d id  you ever/ f ron t s  p u l l  to tiie tror.t o f  tae  

b u i l d i n g  and b l i n k  ti ioro,  bliI^k your l i e h t s  in  f ront?

A No. He liad the l i y h t ,  l i g h t s  o f  the b u i l d i n y ,  you 

could  sec ,  checking the c u s t o n c r ‘ 3 b u i l d i n g ,  and see iu  

at n igh t ,  you could  t e l l  p r e t t y  v/ell anyth ing .

Did you ever  p u l l  to the o p p o s i t e ,  oppos i t e  s ide  

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A Ne j u s t  throw the l i g h t .

Q ;Jould you i a e n t i f y  tha t  a rea  f o r  us?

/\ Yes,  s i r .

I s  i t  a parking l o t  o f  some type ,  i s  i t  behind,  

behind there?

A Right ,  in ,  r i g h t  in  a c re  ( i n d i c a t i n g ) .

You p u l l  r i g h t  to the middle here ( i n d i c a t i n g ) .

This i s  the back,  two se p a r a te  b u i l d i n g s  ( i n d i c a t i n g ) .  

This i s  the park ing  a rea  r i g h t  through he re ,  and you 

p u l l  in the re ,  and check around througli ,  through the 

back .

Q What park ing  l o t ,  v/hat p l ace  o f  bu s ine ss  i s  t iat  

parking  l o t  f o r ,  who owns i t ,  do you know?

A I have f o r g o t t e n  the narie.

I f  I s a i d  L i t t l e  A b n e r ' s  or Peyton P l a c e ,  - -

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have been Peyton P lace  a t  tne tir.io.

0 I t  cJuanycd the narae ciovoral tiv.es,  has i t  not?

A Yes,  s i r .

We l l ,  could wc r e i e r  to that  area  as Peyton P lace  

or L i t t l e  7ibnor's park ing  lo t?

A (bods h e a d  in the a f i i r r A a t i v e . )

Q . And you d id ,  on jaoro than one occas ion ,  go in and 

look out South b e l l e v u e  Marine too?

A (Nods head in  the a f f i r u a t i v e .)

Q So that  you were f a i r l y  f a m i l i a r  with  that  area  

p r i o r  to the in c i d e n t  in  qu es t i on  in th i s  l awsu i t?

Would that  - -  ( i n t e r r u p t e d )

A Yes ,  s i r ,

Q (Cont inuing )  - -  be a f a i r  statement?

A (Nods head in the a f f i r m a t i v e . )

0 In d e s c r i b i n g  the s e c u r i t y  system around the South 

b e l l e v u e  Marine,  v;ould you raake a b r i e f  statement  con­

cern ing  how the boa t s ,  the boa t  l o t ,  and the Marine  

s t o r a g e ,  i t s e l f ,  ^/ere p rotected?

A W e l l ,  c h a i n - l i n k  fence v;ith the s e c u r i t y  dog.

Q D esc r i be  the fence f i r s t  o f  a l l ,  p l e a s e ,  s i r ?

A Oh, l e t ' s  see ,  e i g h t  f o o t ,  i f  I 'm  not mistaken,  i t  

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A A l l  r i g h t .

I t  cones back,  bcick northbound,  Cill the way up, 

j u s t  a few f e e t  ou t ,  Ferguson,  Soutli Ferguson,  and on 

a l l  the way b a d : ,  and then back clown a ga in ,  and across  

tlio back,  out ,  r i g h t  behind,  l i k e  I say ,  tv;o separate  

b u i l d i n g s ,  r i g h t  behind th i s  b u i l d i n g  ( i n a i e a t i n g ) .

Q Do you knov; v/hat typo o f  fence was behind the 

L i t t l e  A bn e r ' s  parking  l o t  on, in January o f  1972?

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A I don ’ t  know, s i r .  I d o n ' t  b e l i e v e  so .

MR. ARI.'OLD: There are some otl ier photographs

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and to ask the w i tness  cjuestions from these .

THE COURT: A l l  r i g h t ,  s i r .

3Y HR. ARNOLD:

Q ’While your counsel  i s  l ook ing  (p a s s ing  photos to | 

Mr. Shea) at those photographs ,  I v ; i l l  ask you,  Mr. 

Richards ,  to s p e c i f i c a l l y  d i r e c t  your a t t e n t i o n  to the  

ni<jht o f  January 0, 1972 , and t e l l  us i f  you w i l l ,  when

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f t i l lovuG Marina,  and v;hat your r e a c t i o n s  to i t  v;au?

A v<e v/ere nortt»bound on E l v i s  P r e s l e y ,  j u s t  «.jot in 

s e r v i c e ,  and r i y h t  at  the,  I ’ d say,  the expressv/ay,  

heard a c a l l  go out that  a p ro w le r ,  p row le r s  wore on the 

i n s i d e  of  Eoutii E e l l evue  P .a r inc , and iie gave another  

car  the c a l l  and s t i l l  another one, and we to ld  hii;\ our 

l o c a t i o n ,  that  n igh t  v/as r i d i n g  around in a sguad car ,  

intho v;ard, and a c t u a l l y  had South B e l l e v u e  in  i t .  Vae 

d i s p a t c h e r  s a i d ,  ohov/od us on the c a l l ,  t o l d  us to get  

on the c a l l .

When we tiien proceeded on, and when we a r r i v e d  on 

the scene,  I have f o r g o t t e n  the car  nuraber. Patrolmen  

Koleson and Cal l ihain wore the re ,  and they s a i d  they 

were soinebody, someone i n s i d e ,  soraothing to that  e f f e c t .

We then p u l l e d  the p a t r o l  ca r  on north and went 

back e a s t  on rei 'guson,  and r i g h t  near the r e a r  v;e stox^pde 

and as v/e v/ere g e t t i n g  out o f  the ca r ,  we observea  two 

male c l a cks  to got  out and run back e a s t ,  and dur ing  j 

th i s  time v/e began h o l l e r i n g  " H a l t ” , the v/hole t ime, anvji 

we were j u s t  p a r a l l e l i n g  them l i k e  th a t .  |

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ho le  the re ,  and s t a r t e d  back southbound, and wo continui|:d
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Descr ibe  tJ:.cir route  in  re incior .  to the guard dog

t h a t w a s t h e r e ?

I d o n ' t  k n c'.v a b  o u t t h e g u a r d d o g  t h a t  n i g h t .

Do y o u  r e m . c m o e r  i t f r o m O t h C r  t i m e s  t i l  a t y o u  v ; c r e

t h e r e  ?

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U - You d o n ' t  know whether ho was or  waa not in  the 

caged area?

A I found out Iciter that  Don liad l e f t  hira locked up,  

Mr. lloffn\an l e f t  him in  the cage and he,  he has got  a 

s m a l l e r  area  i n s i d e  liere ( i n d i c a t i n g )  v/ith thcit penned 

in p o r t i o n  f o r  the dog, and, and l e f t  out a t  n i gh t .  Fo:|: 

that  n i gh t ,  he kept  the dog conta ined  f o r  some reason ,

Q And I ' n  asking  i f  the two persons had gone i n s i d e ,  

or how did  they get  p a s t  that  dog?

A W e l l ,  when we saw them they were r i g h t  at  the end 

of  the b u i l d i n g .  I d o n ' t ,  v/e d i d n ' t  see  them come out .  

They were running r i g h t  from the r e a r  o f  i.t. I t  v/as 

the,  the doghouse,  I don ’ t ];now i f ,  I  c a n ' t  e x p l a in  i t .  

I t  i s  hard to e x p l a i n .

Q Did they go on top of  i t?

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2 j\ (No r eaponae . )

3 IIP.. h:\liOLD-. have p i c t u r a s  vtarkeu

4 L’x h i b i t  37 (a )  through ( f ) ,  Your Honor, and a t  th i s

5 tir-io v;e would l i k e  to in t roauce  them, these  in to

6 e v i d e n c e .

7 'ih’H COUNT: There be ing  no o b j e c t i o n ,  tacn,

8 - l o t  then bo in t roduced  as composite e x h i b i t s ,  the

9 next number, Mr. Cler.h, and narked,  nark everyone

10 v;ith a s e p a r a te  l e t t e r ,  l e t t e r  d e s i g n a t i o n .

11 THi: CLERK; (a )  through ( f )  .

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13 a c c o rd in g ly  narked Exh ib i  t s 37(a )  through ( f )

14 and r e c e i v e d  in  e v id e n c e . )

15 MR. ARNOLD: A l l  r i g h t .

16 I v/ant to ask the -witness - -

17 Q I f  you knov.f, v/ould you i d e n t i f y  each of  the photo -

18 graphs and i d e n t i f y  in your answer tlie nuraber and l e t t e r

19 o f  the e x h i b i t ,  p l e a s e ,  s i r ?

20 h S t a r t  out r i g h t ,  I i;ant to - -  ( i n d i c a t i n g )

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nouthwoa t , acroon the dite 'a .

MR. SRLA: i s  that  looking south in  the d itch?

TliK 'w’l'TMIlG;;; Looking southwest ,  ac ross  the 

f ence ,  I ron  the c h a i n - l i n k  f ence ,  which i s  on the 

north s ide  of  the d i t c h .

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g And I ’ l l  ask you though to shov/ that  in  r e l a t i o n  

to the l a r g e r  F .xhibit  36?

A A l l  r i g h t ,  six*.

This photograph v/ould have been taken r i g h t  in
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fence r i g h t  there  ( i n d i c a t i n g )  on the north s i d e .  I t  

i s  shot  in the,  from th i s  s i d e .

Q That v7ould  be shot from j u s t ,  j u s t  o f f  Ferguson,  

l ook ing  south?

A R igh t ,  southwest .

(j A l l  r i g h t ,  s i r .

h Okay.

T h i r t y - s e v e n  ( c ) , would be a photograph going to 

the south,  i s  from Ferguson,  and that  i s  about ,  i t  i s  

shot ,  i t  i s  a p i c t u r e  o f  the fence ,  and I b e l i e v e  the 

p a t r o l  car  there  i s  ou rs .

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has hcrc/ th i s  i s  the area,  h i s  a rea .

Q 11 r  i  j  h t , a i r .

A W i l l  be approxirriately here ,  j u s t  to the south of  

the f ence ,  hcaciincj back o a s t .

Thi r ty-sev'cn ( e ) ,  i s  j u s t  a shot  o f  tho dra inaye  

d i t c h ,  i t s e l f .  I  iiave no i d e a  v/hich s ide  i t  i s  taken 

from.

This i s  to ,  t i iken-to c o r n i a t e  a n e a r in g .

Q That i s  - -  ( i n t e r r u p t e d )

MR. SlibA; I s  that  27 v/hat?

T!iE WITNESS: T h i r t y - s e v e n  (e )  .

HR. SHEA; Excuse mo, 3 7 ( e ) .

A (Cont inu ing )  - -  37 (a )  v ; i l l  be a p i c t u r e  shot  

southbound from the fence ,  a t  the d ra inage  d i t c h .

T h i r t y - s e v e n  (d)  \/i l l  be a shot  to tho n o r th eas t ,  

r i g h t  in the corner  o f  the a r ea ,  the f e n c e d - in  area  of  

Mr. i lo f f i i an 's  p l a c e ,  v/ould be n shot .

BY MR. ARNOLD:

0 Would you po in t  that  out?

A I t  v;ould he a shot up to the n o r th e a s t .

Q A11 r i  g h t , 3 i  r .

Now, you s t a t e d  in terms o f  your  n a r r a t i o n  o f  

events , I b e l i e v e  the l a s t  statement  you t o l d  me v;as ;

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3 o f  the events t'uat happened that  ni'.jiit and what you,

4 and what you did?

5 A './oil, we \7cre running along the o u t s id e  of  the

6 f c ] i c ed " in  area  hero i r on  v/hich, r i g h t  in  he re ,  ran dov;n

7 nere ( i n d i c a t i n g ) , and as they were g e t t i n g  in to  the

8 d i t c h ,  they continued southbound.

9 Like  I Svaid. I was h o l l e r i n g  and screaming a l l  the

10 time, so V'.'as iny i>artner,  f o r  tnera to s t op .  I t  was

11 pour ing down r a in  a t  e i g h t  o ' c l o c k  in  the even ing,

12 q u i t e  dark,  and a f t e r  I saw there  v;as no other  hope of

13 catch ing  the)-., and nn e i g h t  f o o t ,  e i g h t  f o o t  fence ,

14 c h a i n - l i n k  fence and three  s t rands  o f  barbed  w i re  on

15 over  i t ,  I c o u l d n ' t  g e t  over  i t  very e a s i l y ,  and, on

16 f o o t .

17 Q And then w’hat d id  you do?

18 A Immediately I went to the p a t r o l  car ,  c a l l e d  f o r

19 an ambulance, and a l i e u t e n e n t  from homicide .

20 Wo could  see no way o f ,  to ge t  over  the f ence .  We

21 s t a r t e d  back up. There v/as a house up on the re ,  in  the

22 i t  i s  not a l o t  o f  i t  a t  a l l ,  he re ,  r i g h t  up in  here ,

23 I b e l i e v e  Mr. ilrag owns th a t .  lie came out and we woren

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A About the t ine  v/c;, we found hiru, the ambulance had 

a r r i v e d  on the scone.  Like  J Sciid, i t  v.’as pour in ' j  down 

r a i n .  They c o u l d n ' t  ge t  the s t r e t c h e r  over  tiie f ence .  

You can go by th i s  ( i n d i c a t i n g )  j u s t  as w e l l .

There i s  a good, p r e t t y  good photograph hero .

Q F ine .

A T h i r t y - s e v e n  (d)  , shov/s an e x c e l l e n t  photograph of  

th i s  fi-nce r i g h t  here ( i n d i c a t i n g )  , f i r s t  nan was 

s t ruck  there .

Pa t ro lnan  Cox, Roleson,  and m yse l f ,  l i f t e d ,  \:c 

l i f t e d  up the body and c a r r i e d  i t  ac ross  the d i t ch  and 

up, he lped  load  i t  onto the s t r e t c h e r .

The f i r s t  nan ' s  f o o t  got  i n to  tlie d i t c h .

Q The body was c a r r i e d  from the d i t c h  w i thout  a 

s t r e t c h e r ,  i s  that  cor rec t?

A They d i d n ' t ,  couldn't ge t  to i t .

Q And the three  o f  you, you and O f f i c e r  Cox and 

O f f i c e r  Roleson wore the th ree  \;ho c a r r i e d  the body 

across  the d i t c h ,  across  the fence?  

h (hods head in the a f f i r m a t i v e . )

Q .'.Tion you made your c a l l  f o r  an ambulance, d id  ycu 

d i r e c t  where the ambulance should  come?

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A The d i « h a t c U a r  Ghov?2j uu a u to a i a l i c a l l y  on tiic ycene 

at  Bel lovuG l l a r ina ,  doutii B e l l e v u e  Marine,  and v;e c a l l c '  

the l o c a t i o n  in  to the d i a p a t c i i e r .

Q Then the arabulance caiae to the L i t t l e  Abner or  

Peyton P lace  parking  l o t ,  in s tead  o f  where your car  was 

at?

A I b e l i e v e  there  v;ore norae o f f i c e r s  around the re ,  

f i r s t ,  that  d i r e c t e d  thoii  ̂ to come back over  to the back 

Q And i t  v;as o f f  the fence l i n e ,  the L i t t l e  Abner  

park ing  l o t  and ( i n t e r r u p t e d )

A And ac ro s s  the d i t c h ,  onouse me.

Q That you l i f t e d  the body?

A v ,e l l ,  we had to come, i t  was on th i s  s i d e ,  on the 

e a s t  s i de  o f  the bank. v;e had to go across  the d i tch  

and back to ,  up to the top o f  i t .

Q bo you c a r r i e d  the body back w'estbound through the 

d i t c h ,  and back up.

Did you see any sivjnn o f  l i f e  at t h i s  time?

A Very l i t t l e ,  very l i t t l e .

U But you sav/ some s i gn  o f  l i f e ,  i s  that  what you 

are  saying?

A There was a massive ho le  in  the back o f  h i s  head.

Q Your statement  was; "very  l i t t l e . "  Does that  mean

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U Did ho riovQ or  apeak or  —  ( i n t e r r u p t e d )

A (hoda head in the n e g a t i v e . )

d Did you observe  b rea th ing?

h Very ,  very  l i t t l e .

What t in e  v/as this?

I ' d  say C;05 to 8:10,  something l i k e  tha t .

When you l i f t e d  the body over the f ence ,  and you 

had to v/alk up a bank, i s  that  cor rec t?

7\ (Hods head in the a f  f  i r n a t i v e  . )

Q How high d id  you have to l i f t  the body to ge t  i t  

over  the fence?

A Oh, four  f o o t ,  soraetiiing l i k e  that ,  f o u r  one and a

h a l f .

0 Could you d e s c r i b e  that  in  te rns  o f  your own body,  

would i t  be ches t ,  sh o u ld e r s ,  hips?

A Wa is t ,  I would say jujst a l i t t l e  be low the chest ,  

between the chest  and v ;aist .

Q Then you, how d id  you g e t  out of  the d i t c h ,  yo u r ­

s e l f ?

A We cont inued on down the d i t c h .  There were two 

male b lacks  running southbound.  We were look ing  f o r  

the other  one a l s o .

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A Oh, u’c; v/ent, I v/ould say,  on clov;n in here  son'.ev;herc 

r i g h t  up in to  licrs ( i n d i c a t i n g )  , and then gave up, i t  

v.'as cipparont that  ho had gotten  a'f/ay, and, and gotten  

c\\n ay .

W And then hov/ f a r  d id  you go, how d id  you got bach 

to your car?

And how J;ar d id  you go?

h’e walked back,  on up on the Wast Ferguson,  e a s t

S i d e .

Ue got  over  on the,  over  the fence o f  Mr. K r a g ’ s ,  

and come back out o f  the gate  that ,  at  that  t ime, and 

came on back to the p a t r o l  c a r .

0 What was your car  number? Was i t  C h a r l i e -14?

A (nods head in  the a f f i r m a t i v e . )

0 Char l ie?

A I t  i s  14. I d on ’ t know v;hat, whether i t  was the 

C h a r l i e  or  Baker ,  i t  has been a long t ime.  We had, we 

had been worl: ing ten hours .

Q And you v;ere, at  that  t ime,  working ten hours?

A U su a l l y  we were .

Q You had j u s t  come on to,  on to the s l i i f t  a t  that  

t ine?

A Y c s , s i  r .

C that  your s t a t o i ’.ent e a r l i e r ?

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Yes ,  s i r ,  i t i s  the n i gh t  s

And i s  tlie t h i r d  s h i f t  not

I guess so . I t  has been so

A l l  r i g i i t . s i r .

I t ,  i t  v/as 1971.

i'lovr, l e t * s ge t  back to \7hen

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Q You saw them the e n t i r e  t i n e  that  they c<iwa from

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cor rec t?

A Y e s , s i r .

Q What type o f  l i g h t i n g  i s  there  in  the i n s i d e  of  the 

ya rd ,  i t s e l f ,  and v/hat typo o f  l i g h t i n g  v;as on them as 

they ran through the yard?

A Oh, there  v/as f a i r l y  good docent l i g h t i n g ,  as they 

viere go ing out tov/ard the f ence ,  and there  was poor  

l i g h t i n g  as they v/ere going southbound.

Q I s  there  l i g h t i n g ,  i s  there  anything then i n s i d e  

the South D e l l evue  Marine boa t  l o t  there?

A Yes,  s i r ,  there  i s  a coup le ,  I b e l i e v e  there  i s  a | 

s t r e e t  l i g h t  out on the o u te r ,  out near Ferguson,  out i
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Q iiov; mucli could you i d e n t i f y  concornin-j  the two 

yorsony? Could you 3O0 w e l l  enouya to u e t a rn in e ,  f o r  

i n s t a n c e ,  c o l o r  o f  c lo thes?

A Dark c o l o r ,  that  i s  ^i l l .

‘j  Could you see enough to d i f f e r e n t i a t e  between b lue  

and brovm, browns?

A  ̂ Yes,  s i r ,  I could  have,  but  - -  ( i n t e r r u p t e d )

Q I mean, d id  you see tha t ,  or were you ab le  to t e l l ?

A Yes,  s i r ,  I saw i t .

Q That a person had on brov;n c l o t h in g ,  o r  b lue  

c l o t h i n g ,  whatever  i t  \/as?

A Yes ,  s i r ,  I ,  I saw i t ,  but I don ’ t rornenber i t .

Q A l l  r i g h t ,  s i r .

Then c e r t a i n l y  you were ab le  to t e l l  whether the  

youngste rs  v/cre b l ack  or  wh i te ,  i s  that  true?

A Yes,  s i r .

Q And o f  course ,  both are  b lack?

A Y e s , s i r .

l i ' j h t i d  f a i r l y  wcil l .

u Were you ab le  to t e l l  t h e i r  he igh th ,  hov; t a l l  they

were?

A Yes,  s i r .

U You have been in the courtroom and lieard the state -iI

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Q here you ab le  to i d e n t i f y  v.'hether tiie o tner  ).--oroOU 

waa t a l l e r  or uao r te r  tnan the peruon who v;as shot?

A both of  them appeared to bo the siune s i z e ,  s i r .

C> Did they appear to be the same body b u i l d  and 

weigh t?

A (2.ods head in the iif f  i rm a t ive  .)

Q - Vie ’Were d i s c u s s in g  that  you nod your head,  yes ,  

s i r ?

A Yes,  s i r .

Q But in the d i tch  i t s e l f  than there  i s  no l i g h t i n g ,  

i s  that  cor rec t?

A Oil, looked t a i l o r  than that  to u e .

A Mo .

Q The only l i g h t  enmo from the l i g h t s  tnnt v;ere 

i n s i d e  o f  the boat  l o t ,  or  the x^^itking lo t?

/ i Yes,  s i r .

Q Does Mr. Krag a l s o  liave a l o t  - -  I 'm s o r r y ,  a light|.
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Q I s  i t  one of  the s t r e e t  l i g h t  tyxies?

A The l i g h t ,  as w e l l  as - -  yes ,  s i r ,  h i s  yard  iias 

got  t r e e s ,  in  the yard ,  l i g h t s  on the porch ,  I b e l i e v e  

Q Now, v/hen you got  out o f  your c a r ,  d id  you have a 

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0 And t e l l  us about the sh-otyun, \;hat kix'.d o f  ahoteu  

i t  i s ?

A Tv;olvG--gua(jc Pvejnin-jton ir.odol 010, pump shotgun,  

us ing double  ought buck,  v/hich i s  equa l  doub le  ought,  

nine b u l l e t s , e q u iv a l e n t  to s i ^ c  t h i r t y - t w o  c a l i b e r  

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Q And that  i s  .standard?

h Tliat i s  s t andard .

Q Gun is sued?

A Yos,  s i r .

Q And that  v;.as i s sued  by the department,  o f  coxirse?

A Yes ,  s i r .

Q You a l s o  have your s e r v i c e  r e v o l v e r  w ith  you as 

w e l l?

A Yes,  s i r .

Q And now, v/hon you, v/lien you v;ent to the fence on 

Ferguson,  .ho\/ d id  you f i r e  your gun in to  the l o t  in  

r e l a t i o n s h i p  to,  I  mean, in to  the d i t ch  in  r e l a t i o n s h i p  

to the fence?

A Squatted down. You know, one knee dovxn, the other  

up r e s t i n g .

Q Did you p l ace  the b a r r e l  through the fence?

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A 1 j o  ̂ s i r .

Q You don ’ t re:uer.bcr v/hether or not you heard a shot  

ba to ro  you p u l l e d  the t r i g g e r  on the shotgun?

A I d o n ' t  know, s i r .

y Did you d i s c u s s  in  any \/ay with  O f f i c e r  Cox whethei'

you were going to f i r e  or not?

A (hods head in the n e g a t i v e . )

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Q Whore was he s tand ing  in r e l a t i o n s h i p  to you, that  

you were,  i f  you \;ere kneeled next  to the feiace, f ence ,  

with  tl\c b a r r e l  through the fence?

A He v/as to the l e f t  r e a r  o f  rae, .standing on a h i l l ,  

there  i s  cv s l i g h t ,  s l i g h t ,  I d o n ' t  knov; to the percen ­

tage s ,  but there  i s  a x^retty steep  i n c l i n e  going dov;n 

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K'c, I t r i e d .  I screamed from the f i r s t  time he ran out  

of  the back o f  t' le b u i l d in g  a l l  the v^ay c.own, and I gave 

up.

Q 7\nd you r e s o l v e d  there  v/as no other  v/ay to stop  

him except  with the use o f  your v;eapon?

A There was no other  v/ay I could have got  him.

U Vviiat i n t e r v a l  had l apsed  between the throe shots , 

or what i n t e r v a l  e l a p se d ,  e lapsed  between oiie and two 

and tv/o and th ree ,  the sh o t s ,  hov/ much t in e  v/as that?

A Oh, j u s t  about ns qu ick ,  quick as you can take i t  

and jack one in .

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b e fo r e  f i r i n g  the second one, i s  that c o r r e c t ,  then, i s  

that  co r rec t?

u J h a t  v;ar your purpose in  i ir in< j  the ’./eapon?

A No, s i r ,

Q Nor d id  you observe  the e f f e c t  o f  the second shot- 

b e fo r e  you f i r e d  tlic th ird?

A N’o, s i r .

Q How many shots d id  you Jiave in  your gun?

A Four.

Q You s t a t e d  e a r l i e r ,  I be l iever,  that  from the time 

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d V.’ould  you t e l l  us where those v;ere?

A On the back o f  h i s  head.

Q Did you oiisorve any others?

A - There was,  there  v/as b lood on h i s  sh ou lde r ,  or  

goincj l i k e  tha t ,  I d o n ' t  knov/, I don ’ t think he had beer  

h i t ,  h i t  th e re ,  I have f o r g o t t e n ,  I think i t  \̂’as h is  

r i g h t  sh ou lde r .  There was a p l a c e ,  there  was a massive  

one in the back o f  h is  head.

Q Did you observe  any ground or a b r a s i v e  wound on the 

ch in?

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U You t e s t i f i e d  b e f o r e  that  three  of  you c a r r i e d  the

body cut o f  the d i t c h ,  l i f t e d  i t  over  the fence to a 

hoighth approx imate ly  between your w a i s t  and your cheat ,  

and then you v;ent back down in the d i tch?

A (Hods head in  the a f f i r m a t i v e . )

U Did the three  of  you go back dov/n in  the d itch?

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there  to see ,  to see i f  tliey had put a l i t t l e  nes t  egg | 

down th e r e .  That i s  a term used f o r  b u r g l a r y ,  that  |

goes back and f o r t h ,  j u s t  l i k e  a l i t t l e  n i s s  and take

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I liave f o r g o t t e n  v;hat tlicy v;ore thv-\t thoy had stashed

there ,  and iiau become cjrcetly, v.’ould  iiav'e to make t rxps

back and fo rt i i  to load th ings  up, and we d id  conf. iscate

a l l  o f  that  and taJ'o i t  and tagged i t .

0 h’as th i s  a f t e r  you walked f u r t h e r  down in the

d i t c h ,  or b e f o r e ,  b e f o r e ,  where tJrat was stashed?

A This v;as approx imate ly ,  I would say,  f a i r l y  c lo se

to,  d i r e c t l y  across  from v/herc v/e, from vrherc we found

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p o in t  v.'e d id  take out the body,  r i g h t  here ( i n d i c a t i n g )  .| 

Q T h i r t y - s e v e n  ( d ) , you have p r e v i o u s l y  i d e n t i f i e d  j 
as look ing  northeast?  j

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e a s t  co rner .  I t  v/ould bo j u s t  r i g h t ,  e a s t ,  I can shov;

you b e t t e r .

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Tllb COURT: Gentlemen, I made a mistake in  thei

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v/il l  co:-.u2 around to tixc aiae^ p l e a s e ,  Jlr. jirciiards , 

\/hen you po in t  soneth ing  out so I can see wliat you 

are p o in t in g  out on tixc !.;ap,

TIiLi : 0]\.riy , s i r  •

TUi: COURT: Or the photograph.

A (Cont inu ing )  Tiiis i s  a l a r g e ,  l a r g o  ience ixete

( i n d i c a t i n g ) .

THE COURT: A l l  r i g h t .

MR. ClIKA: Did Your honor see v/hcre he was

p o in t in g  ?

THE COURT; Yes,  s i r .  I f  he d o e s n ' t  get  

between :nc and the c ha r t .

A (Cont inu ing )  - -  Okay, j u s t  south,  r i g h t  there ,  

raaybe f i f t e e n  or  twentv f e e t  i s  where the s tash  \;as, the)’ 

rdiotgun and s t u f f ,  that  i s  the p lace  Vfhat we v/ent back 

over to ge t  a l l  o f  tlie guns.

DY MR. ARNOLD;

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up in  tiio same l i t t l e  a rea  there  ( i n d i c a t i n g ) ,  v/ithin 

ten f e e t  or  so .

Q Did you rel ieve the st ash  o r ,  b e f o r e  or  a f t e r  you 

•walked down the d i tch  to look f o r  the other  suspect?

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c a r r y in g  the body out ,  out .

v} Did you curry  tue body out b c io ro  or  a f t e r  you 

v;alked ciov/n in tae dite'n to look f o r  the other  suopect?

A 'We c a r r i e d  tiic body,  c u r r i e d  the body, and then 

there  were aorao other  o f f i c e r s  there  going on, going on 

dov;n. Wo continued on a f t e r  v;e, a f t e r  we took care  c f  

every th ing  l i k e  tha t ,  we v/ent on dovm.

Q ' Did you observe  the other  o f f i c e r s  en te r  the d i tch  

area?

A Patrolrr.an l loleson was the re ,  and I  have f o r g o t t e n

who e l s e  was there .

Q Do you knov,’ hov/ he ente red  the d i t ch  area?

A I swear I  d o n ' t  }:now. lie came o f f ,  over  behind us,

I b e l i e v e ,  v/hen we came through Hr.  K r a g ' s  p rope r ty  and 

climbed over  the f e n c e .

d Through the g a te ,  gate  that  Hr.  iCrag unlocked,  d id  

you observe  any person entex* or  go out o f  tlie d i tc l i  ares  

at  the p l a c e  v/licre you l i f t e d  the body over  the fence?

A No.

w Did you observe  any squad cars  cor.e down in to  tiiat  

a rea ,  the L i t t l e  Abn e r ' s  park ing  l o t  area?

A I b e l i e v e  tl iere were one or  tv;o p a t r o l  cars dov/n 

the re ,  I d o n ' t  reraemuer the names o f  the o f f i c e r s ,

U As v/ell <\3 the ambulance was in  there?

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u A l l  r i g ' i t ,  coula you dnaaribo  the,  i f  you knew,

what th i s  i s ,  a v/ater passage  under Ferguson at  th i s

p o in t ,  or do you ):nov;?

A 1 d o n ' t  rcr.Graber.

W Very w e l l .

O f f i c e r  R ichards ,  v/hat, v/hat do you expect  the 

r e s u l t s  to ho when yoxi f i r e  your weapon?

A What do I expect?

Q At one gentleman?

A The r e s u l t s  w i l l  be they w i l l  d i e .

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A That i s  n ve ry ,  very  t r i c k y  q u e s t i o n .  I guess you 

would,  I  v;ouid s<iy - -  ( i n t e r r u p t e d )

Q I 'm not t r y in g  to be t r i c } : y .

I iiope you understand,  wc are doingr our j o b ,  j u s t  

as you are t r y in g  to k i l l  yours ,  because you are  t ry ing  

to do your b e s t  to k i l l ,  i s  tiiat what i s  your j o b ,  that  '
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A (no r e sp o n s e . )

V O f f i c e r  Rici iarus,  you had s ta ted  that  sometii'.ie in  

p e r f o r n in g  your du t i e s  you ;/ould d r i v e  around the area  

both onto Ferguson and through the L i t t l e  Abner [marking ' 

l o t  around that  ^/ay, look ing  at  the s t o r e  as you were  

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out o£ tiie d i t ch  and ’whore the d i t c h  i t u e i f  cj003 i ro n  

that  point?

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d A l l  r i gh t/  s i r .

As f a r  as I know, I think i t  might go,  s t a r t  in to  

underground dov/n tiiere in  C lc t ient ine , X ' m not su re ,  

w Underground at  Clementine?

A I s a i d  I an not su re .

A iiaad in tliG a f  f  t i  ve . )

0 llo\; f a r  i s  that  on?

A Oh, i t  i s ,  oh, i t  i s  on, maybe a q u a r t e r  of  a mi le  

from Ferguson,  on to Clementine,  may, maybe a i juarter  

o f  a m i le ,  something l i k e  tluit.

Q In t i l l s  a r ea ,  i t  shov;s tiie d i tch  approaci i ing L l v i s  

I’r o s l e y  Boulevard  and connect ing v;ith U l v i s  Pres ley?

A (Hods iiead in  tiie a f f i r m a t i v e . )  

g Desc r ibe  that  po in t  r i g h t  the re ,  i f  you w i l l  (incii-t 

e a t i n g )?

A What, 1/hat p o in t  down there?

Q Right  t l iere ,  v/hcre tne d i tch  e n t e r s ,  i n t e r s e c t s  

with  U l v i s  Pres l ey  Boulevard?

A I think,  I ,  oh, j u s t  to ,  I  think i t  goes j u s t  to 

tJiere, here ( i n d i c a t i n g ) ,  n ig i i t  go f u r t h e r ,  I j u s t  j
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A (.-od3 iiarACl in thvT nc<jat ivc . )

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were go ing ,  they were going to h i t  the apartnents  , a;id 

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Q Did you a c t u a l l y  v?alk out o f  tixe d i t c h  to the 

apartments ?

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You walked out o f  the p l a c e  where you could v;alk

A Right .

Q liov/, d e s c r i b e  the p l a c e ,  i f  you v ; i l l ,  vfhere you 

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A Tlie underbush,  the underbush was th ick ,  th ick unde?

bush .

Q And where v/as i t ?

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tho p lace  you l i f t e d  tlie body over  the fence?

A Kigiiit.

Q /.’as i t ,  was the body duo eac t  o f  that  p l a c e  or - -  

{ i n t e r ru p t e d )

A I t  v,’ar. due e a a t ,  a lmost d i r e c t l y  a c r o s s ,  I would  

say,  v;ithi'n ten f e e t  a c ro s s .

Q Of the p l ace  dep ic ted  in d x h i b i t  37 (d )?

A Y e s , s i r .

Q I f  you w i l l ,  po in t  out that  p lace  on both,  both of  

tliG l a r g e  e x h i b i t s  marked 3 5 and 3C?

A The p l a c e  v/here we found the body v;ould be a p p ro x i ­

mately r i g h t  in  here ( i n d i c a t i n g ) .

■d Yes,  s i r .

A Ar.d on th i s  bank r i g h t  the re ,  about h a l f  v/ay ana 

between the c rease  and lo'wer p o r t i o n  r i g n t  in  the laiddlti,  

and on th i s  one, r i g h t  up here ,  would ,  the photograph  

here v/ould be r i g h t  in there ( i n d i c a t i n g ) .

U 7ind i s  i t  t rue  then that  from tho south l i n e  of  the 

south fence at b e l l e v u e  Marine,  cor.i’p l e t o l y  around by 

the d i t c h ,  as i t  turns back to E l v i s  P r e s l e y ,  you can 

d r i v e  your car  around that  firea and you have d r iven  

vour ca r  around that  area?

:r.ayue f i f t e e n  Goir.othin:.; i i l . c  that  on the e aa t  nani. .

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go on in and back around,  

t  and a i l  o f  tiiat a rea  i s ,  that  you have j u s t  d o s c r i b  

j u s t  d ep ic t e d ,  i s  area  v;hcre you can view the d i tch  

v;horo tlint would be south o f  where tlic body was found? 

h Yea, you could  view the d i t c h ,  r i g h t .

•MR. ARNOLD: Your Honor, wo would  l i k e  to

o f f e r  in to  evidence  the e n h i b i t  narked 6 ( d ) ,  tu ia  

i s  the t r a n s c r i p t  o f  the p o l i c e  d i s p a t c h e r ’ s r a d io  

log  from oig i i t  p .n .  to 8:40 p . n . ,  the n igh t  o f
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Till: COURT: Any o b j e c t i o n  to the in t r o d u c t i o n

o f  D x h ib i t  0 (d )?

MR. SiiUA: No.

TilL COURT: Tlierc be ing  no o b j e c t i o n ,  i t  v ; i l l

be cons idered  as in t roduced  in to  ev idence .

(L’hcreupon,  the s a id  e x h i b i t  p r e v i o u s l y  

i.iarkod Nunber C (d)  f o r  i d e n t i f i c a t i o n , v;as 

r e ce iv e d  in e v id e n c e . )

BY HR. ARNOLD:

■U And O f f i c e r  R ichards ,  I would l i k e  f o r ,  f o r  you to 

examine that  document. have you seen that  document

g R ignt ,  that  area  r i g h t  thcrf! ( i n d i c a t i n g ) ?

b e f o r e ,  that  t r a n s c r i p t ?

A No, s i r ,  never .



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p a t c h e r ' s  ca3.1 irorv. that  docunant?

THE COUR'i’ : W e ' l l  tal:e a r e ce ss  a t  th i s  time

so the v/itness w i l l  nave an oppor tun i ty  to look at  

the docunent.

This v ; i l l  be an a pp ro p r i a t e  time in  any event .  

V.'e' l l  take a b r i e f  r e ce ss  and then proceed .  

ilR. GlIEri.: I f  Your Honor p l e a s e ,  could  you

p r o j e c t  how long v/e ' l l  go th i s  evening?

THE COURT: Approx imate ly ,  approx imate ly  a

q u a r t e r  o f  f i v e .
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MR. .hllEA: Thank you.

(Hhoreupon, at  3:55 p . ia. ,  the Court v/as 

in the a f te rnoon  recess  and pursuant  to tiie 

r c c G S S  Court reconveneti a t  four  p.ra. and the 

f o l l o w i n g  p roceed ings  v/ere had . )

MR. SHEA; I f  Your Honor p l e a s e ,  through in a d ­

vertence  on my p a r t .  Chief  Lux has been here but  I 

thought lie had been l e t  out o f  th i s  l a w s u i t ,  and I 

r e a l i z e d  that  no h a s n ' t ,  he i s  a de fendant .

THE COURT: A l l  r i g h t ,  s i r .

(Whereupon, Witness Richards  re turns  to 

the v; itness stand and resumes h is  d i r e c t  

examinat ion as f o l l o w s . )

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tJ'io p a r t i e s  are charged f o r  th i s  page.

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bY MR. AR.’^OLD:

'J Patrolr.ian R ichards ,  arc you c’h l e ,  at  th i s  po in t ,  

to i d e n t i f y  v/hore you have responded on, on the r ad io  

d i s p a t c h e r  log?

A Y e s , s i r .

Q Would you road f o r  us,  p l e a s e ,  the f i r s t ,  c a l l  you 

got  and your response to that?

A The f i r s t  c a l l  wo got  was,  ( r e a d i n g ) ;

‘‘C h a r l i e - 1 4 ,  2240 Lunar,  a t  L t e r l i n y ' s ,  

h o ld ing  a p r i s o n e r . "

And we then,  v/e : "01;eyed" i t .

Q And the second one then?

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"Bakcr-14 and 370 , B e l l e vu e  and I’erguscn  

at Spor t ing  Goods, p row le r s  i n s i d e . "

And 3aker -14 ,  370, r e p l i e d  to th a t :  "Okay. "

THE COURT: Would you p l e a se  mark these p l a c e s

that  you are  read ing  front on that?

THE V/ITMEES: Yea, s i r .

A (Cont inu ing )  - -  Okay.

Then wo come on and say:

" C h a r l i e - 1 4 ,  we arc at  B e l l e v u e  and tlie 

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1 "C-k.ay, C’h a r l i e - 1 4 ,  you are  on tiie c a l l . '  

And a fci! necondG l a t e r  r v/c advisod C h a r l i c - 1 4 ;

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and dioi^jatcher a dv i se s  :

" C h a r l i e - 1 4 ,  scone o ; 0 3 . "

<J A l l  r i g h t ,  s i r .

And 3 0 having lool:ed a t  tha t ,  you e s t a b l i s h e d ,  

romomber tha t  you were C ha r l i e -14?

A R ight .

MR. ARNOLD: May I look at  th i s  j u s t  one

second?

THE COURT: Yes,  s i r .

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0 Did you raarJ: where you responded a f t e r  the shots  

were f i r e d ,  o r  where you c a l l e d  in a f t e r  the shots v/ere 

f i r e d ?

A Yes,  s i r .

Q Nould you raark tiieia f u r t h e r ,  i f  n eces sa ry ,  and, anc:

read those p a r t i c u l a r l y  at  p l a c e s  v;here i t  l i s t s  t i n e s ,

so that  we n i g h t  understand the t in e  between your a r r i v a l  

and the c a l l  f o r  the ambulance?

A " C h a r l i e - 1 4 ,  \.’e are going to need a l i e u t e n a n t  and 

homic ide . "

And; "Okay, C h a r l i e - 1 4 ,  B a k e r -5 1 . "

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o f  knowing the l a s t  c a l l  t h e r e .

Q I t  was no time i n d i c a t e d  by the d i spa tche r?

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g A l l  r i g h t ,  s i r .

A (Reading )  :

"D i spa tc h e r "  - -  ( i n t e r r u p t e d )

Q Okay.

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were on the scene?

A R ight .

The next  thing I  f i n d  i s :

" C h a r l i e - 1 6 , "

which i s  the car  in f r o n t ,  occupied by Patrolmen  

Cal l ihara and Roleson,  and they s a i d ;

"He are  in  the f r o n t .  Another car  i s  iniI I 1
the r e a r .  We did  hear some shotgun b l a s t s .  I 

b e t t e r  send an ambulance. "

Q And d id  you r e c e i v e  a c a l l  f o r  an ambulance?

A I r e c a l l  mysel f  that  I d i d .

Q Did you go through the whole long l i n e  wJiile we 

were  on recess?

0 And i s  there  a tiiae shown as to the c a l l ?



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Q Did you f i a a  v;herc you a l l ,  where you c a l l e d ,  soiae 

c a l l  f o r  an ambulance?

A L e t ’ s s e e ,  somewhere he re .  R ight ,  r i g h t :

' 'C h a r l i e -1 4 :  Did you get  an ambulance

and l i e u t e n a n t  en ro u te .  V7e * vo got  two t h a t ’ j: 

been hu r t .

"D i spa tc h e r :  Okay, C h a r l i e - 1 4 ,  8 :12 . "

h Quickly ,  very q u i c k l y .

u " 8 : 1 2 ?"

A Ri g h t .

Q And you marked your a r r i v a l  time by tl^at l o g  a t

8:03, i s  that  cor rec t?

A R i g h t .

Q A l l  r i g h t .

A That,  I think that i s  what our communications

shows , by what,  by what tliey say.

Q Right  0 th ree .

Dow, you were,  who v/aa in  C h a r l i e -1 4  and v/ho v;as 

in  Baker-14?

A I d o n ' t  know who v;as i n ,  mysel f  and Cox were in  

C h a r l i e - 1 4 ,  Baker -14,  I d o n ' t  remember. I t  v;as the 

other  s h i f t .

Q Cal l ihara and Roleson?

A They v/ere in C h a r l i e - 1 6 ,  they v;ere on our s h i f t .

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U A l l  r i g h t ,  is ir .

MR. ARNOLD: Your honor,  i f  the w i tness  i s  no

f a u i l i a r  with  t h i s ,  we w i l l  not need to take  

another rocess  f o r  f a m i l i a r i z a t i o n  purposes .  We 

wish to in t roduce  in to  ev idence tiie document 

e n t i t l e d :  " P r e l i n i n a r y  Report, ' *  which i s  one of

the documents we r e ce iv e d  on Monday, \/as one in  

which the,  th.at had, have been d i s c ove ry  d i s p u t e s .

HR. SliL/A: I 'm  sure  he has not seen i t .

MR. ARNOLD: We wish to in t roduce  t h i s  in ro

evidence  and nark i t  L ' xhib i t  6 (n) .

TiiL COURT: There be ing  no o b j e c t i o n ,  l e t

E x h i b i t  6 (n) be in t roduceu ,

BY MR. ARNOLD;

w O f f i c e r  R ichards ,  are  you f a m i l i a r  with  th i s  docu- l  

nent e n t i t l e d :

"A P r e l i n i n a r y  R ep o r t . "

which d e a l t  with  the i n c i d e n t  on January G, South 

B e l l e v u e  Marine?

A No, s i r ,  not f a m i l i a r .

0 A l l  r i g h t ,  s i r .

A That I know o f .

Q On page s i x ,  the t h i r d  paragraph of  t h i s  preli;uina|ry

r e p o r t ,  i t  s t a t e s  that :



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‘Tatrolnuin Richarda adv i sed  that  or. hie  

f i r s t  shot ,  the s u b je c t s  kept cn runnir. ' j, but  

that  on the second i\nd t h i r d  shot ,  i t  apuenre  

that  both of  the s u b je c t s  stuiabloa"  —  

now, that  v/ould not be c o n s i s t e n t  with  wliat you have 

j u s t  s t a t e d  to us.

Did you,  a t  any t ime,  ever  make such a stater.ient  

to your s u p e r i o r s  in  that  they were us ing to prepare  

th i s  report?

A K’hat  do you mean, s i r ?

Q That you observed ,  that  you observed  the s u b j e c t s ,  

i t  appeared tha t  both o f  these s u b j e c t s  stumbled on the 

second and t h i r d  shot?

A hXG you t a l k in g  about as 1  f i r e d  one, two and three?  

Q Yes,  s i r ;  yes ,  s i r .

A l.n iny memory, i f  my meiaory se rves  me r i g h t ,  a l i t t l e  

w h i l e ,  and I never d id  see a r e a son a b le  - -  ( i n t e r r u p t e d )

U j.n ot l icr  words ,  i f  you had q u i t  —  ( i n t e r r u p t e d )  |

A (Cont inu ing )  - -  at  my t l i i rd  time, that  i s  v;hen I

saw both o f  them appear to go down. ;

Q Did you ever  make, ever  make any statement  that  onj

tne second shot  that  i t  appeared that  anyone stumbled? I
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The t h i r d  one i s  the one that  d id  i t ,  I b e l i e v e .  |
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you don*t  knov/ which,  f o r  c e r t a i n ,  h i t?  Did you observe  

any s tumblin-.j, any e f f e c t  o f  that  second sliot on tno 

two s u b je c t s  v;lio vrere running?

A I c a n ' t  remember, r e a l l y  say r i o l i t  nov:, s i r .

-3 Do you romen.ber evor  making a s t a t e n en t  that ,  that  

second shot  had an e f f e c t ,  that  i t  caused some stumbl inc?  

A I th ink ,  I b e l i e v e  i t  was the t h i r d  shot .

U Yes,  s i r .

Do you ever  remember making such a statement?

A I could p o s s i b l y  have,  as ray nerves v/eren't the 

b e s t  in  the wor ld  a t  the time.

I  d o n ' t  know. To me, i t  v;as the t h i r d  shot .  1 

don ’ t know. I v/aa f i r i n g  so f a s t -  I t  was pour ing down- 

raxn.  I d i d n ' t  l i k e  the doing o f  that  p a r t  o f  the job ,|
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HR. SHEhi I f  Your Honor plecxse, I b e l i e v e  iiej
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the r e a l  t ragedy ,  t h i s  i s  a statement  that  he i s  j

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THE COURT: A l l  r i g h t ,  s i r .

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I ’ m not t r y im ’j to do that  to you now.

Do you knov/ what was the# was the e f f e c t  o f  your  

f i r s t  shot?

A noth ing .

Q Do you knov; there  v;as no e f f e c t ?

A There v/aa no e f f e c t .

Q What was the e f f e c t  o f  your second shot?

A I c a n ' t ,  l i k e  I s a i d ,  I c a n ' t  r e c a l l .  That the 

t h i r d  one, to x*ie, i s  the one,  i t  s t i c k s  in  my meitiory, 

i s  the one th a t ,  that  d id  i t .  Like  I  s a i d ,  when I made 

the statement ,  and, and a l l  th a t ,  I v;as s t i l l  nervous,  

s t i l l  upset  about having to do i t .  I could have p o s s i b l y  

have s a id  i t  was the second.  In my own knowledge,  I ;̂aiJ 

th ink ing  i t  was the t h i r d  one.

Q A l l  r i g h t .

A I 'm th ink ing  that  i t  v/as the t h i r d  one.

Q I s n ’ t  i t  t rue  that  you f i r e d  so q u i c k ly  that  you.

c o u l d n ' t  have observed  the e f f e c t s  o f  the f i r s t  shot  

and the second shot?

A No, s i r .  V/hen the t h i r d  one, a f t e r  the t h i r d  shot  

he went down. lie went down s tumbl ing ,  both o f  them 

appeared to stumble ,  I mean, because I q u i t ,  I d i d n ' t  

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Could you have f i r e d  those three  shots qu icker  or  

d id  you f i r e  theci as q u i c k ly  as you could  f i r e  three  

shots ?

A The f i r s t  shot I f i r e d ,  there  v;as a l i g h t  c j e c t i c n  

something wrong.  The second and t h i r d  shots  v;ere f i r e d  

j u s t  s p l i t  seconds o f  g e t t i n g  the gun back r i g h t .

Q As q u i c k ly  as you could  pump the shotgun,  you f i r e

A As q u ick ly  as 1 could  pump the shotgun,  I f i r e d ,

yes .

Q You e a r l i e r  t e s t i f i e d  that  you d o n ' t  know wno firc(}i  

f i r s t ,  whether i t  v;as you or O f f i c e r  Cox? '

A Um-huia.

U Is  there  any way tiiat you could  t e l l  us that  i t  

was your shot  that  had the e f f e c t ?  flow could  you make 

that  o b s e r v a t i o n  i f  he v;as f i r i n g  wlien you were f i r i n g ?

A I had then beaded dov/n the b e s t  I  cou ld ,  pointed  

at  the back o f  both o f  them as they were running.

ci3 i t  l a t e r  turnr.d out ,  only one-

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A (Nods head in the n e g a t i v e . )

Q S i r?

A No, s i r .

Q Did - -  how many t i i ’ies d id  you say he f i r e d ?  I 'm

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Q Did e i t h e r  c f  those shots o f  h i s  come a f t e r  your  

t h i r d  shot?

A I don ’ t r e c a l l ,  s i r ,  I  sv/ear I  d o n ' t .  I t ,  we i^oth 

were a ln o s t  in s tan taneous .  W’e both s t a r t e d  - -  

Q And they v/erc, they v/ere a l s o ,  that  p e r i o d  of  t ine  

\vas o i raultaneous, i s  that  yovir stateruont?

A ' To me the pe r iod  o f  t in e  was s i n u l t a n e o u s , r i « jh t .

Q Which one o f  you took a p o s i t i o n  to f i r e  f i r s t ?

A Both at  the same tircie. We, l i k o  I s a i d ,  \/e were

h o l l e r i n g  and eve ry th ing  l i k e  that ,  and then nothing  

was s a id ,  “Shoot tlio:a", or  anything l i k e  th a t ,  we j u s t  |
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Q He p u l l e d  h i s  - -  (pause )

A Se rv ice  r e v o l v e r .  i

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A Yes,  s i r ,  because we v/ere s t i l l  in the p rocess  o f  

t r y in g  to g e t  them to stop b e f o r e  we sho t .

W Did you see him p u l l  h i s  s e r v i c e  r e v o l v e r  a f t e r  

you, b e f o r e  you s t a r t e d  to shoot?

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And he \;aa not ,  he waa behind you to some enter.t?

Yg s , a i r .

That ia  c o r r e c t .

THE COURT: Just  a iTiinute, nentleiaen, i f  you

w i l l .

I d o n ' t  want to i n t e r r u p t  you, but  I have get  

a communication from my j u r y .

(Whereupon, a sh o r t  bench con ference  was 

had between the Court and the a t to rneys  in  

another case not p e r t a i n i n g  to th i s  p r o ­

ceedings  . )

THE COURT: A l l  r i g l i t ,  s i r ,  you may rcsuiae.

BY MR. ARHOLD:

U A l l  r i g h t .

A Would you ask the qu es t ion  again?

Q I  w i l l  ask i t  aga in  i f  I can.

O f f i c e r  Cox v/as not in  your d i r e c t  l i n e  o f  v i s i o n ,  

is  that  cor rec t?

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he s t a r t e d  backing up on the h i l l .
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t ion  were you in  when you observed  him back up' the h i l l ?

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r e v o l v e r .

o Did he withdra'w h i s  s e r v i c e  r e v o l v e r  b e f o r e  o:

a f t e r  he v;alkod backv/arcis up that  h i l l ?

A I 'ni ,  I 'm not su re .

hut you saw him withdraw h is  s o r v i c a  r e v o l v e r?

Yes , s i r .

And you sav; him v/alk backv/ards?

(bods head in the a f f i r m a t i v e . )

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MR. 7V.RNOLD: That i s  a l l .  Your Honor.

Tiir. COURT: A l l  r i g h t .

Mr. Shea, you may e i t h e r  examine the w i tness  

at  th i s  time or r e s e r v e  any examinat ion that  you 

wish o f  th i s  w itness  as a p a r t  o f  your  own proof?

HR. SHEA: I v;ould l i k e  to r e c a l l  the w i tness

as p a r t  or our p r o o f .

THE COURT: A l l  r i g h t ,  s i r ,  you may step do\^n

(Witness  excused)

HR. IvRlJOLD: Your Honor, a t  t h i s  t ime, we

would l i k e  to o f f e r  in to  evidence  the d ep o s i t i o n s  

o f  O f f i c e r  R ichards ,  O f f i c e r  Cox, O f f i c e r  Callihair.  

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1 Tiic Court w i l l  note that  the d iumisua l  o rder

2 ccncorning Ilolesoii and Ca l l ihaM  reaervoci that  d epo ­

3 s i t i o n  could  be used as a d e p o s i t i o n  o f  p a r t i e s .

4 because o f  tlie iir.portance to the teatiniony,

5 I \-fo\-\ld l i k e  to c a l l  the - -  ( i n t e r r u p t e d )

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10 the Rule to do both,  and v;e are  not going to ,  and

11 as a matter  o f  f a c t .  I 'm  going to r u l e  that  i f  you

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18 Does th i s  mean the C o u r t ' s  r u l i n g  i s  tiiat the

19 d e p o s i t i o n  o f  O f f i c e r  Richards  c a n ' t  be o f f e r e d ?

20 THE COURT; d e l l ,  w e l l ,  in  any case ,  are you

l 21 e n t i t l e d  to put a v/itness on and examine him as to

22 the matter  p e r t a in in g  to i t  and then submit h i s

■ 23 d e p o s i t i o n  as p roo f?  I ' l l  be g l a d  to hear frora

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MR, AHMOLD; .1 don ’ t know o f  any a u th o r i t y .

I t  i s  ovir p o s i t i o n  th a t ,  that  they arc  not neces ­

s a r i l y  on the,  cov'ering e x a c t l y  the aaine su b j e c t  

n a t t e r  and that  where the d e p o s i t i o n  covers  d i f ­

f e r e n t  matters that  can be o f f e r e d .

Tllk COURT: W e l l ,  I 'm going to permit  you to

do th i s  in the case of  R ichards ,  but  th i s  i s  a 

r u l i n g ,  r i g h t  now, and in any fu tu re  thi i ig ,  and 

I 'm going to make a mental  note o f ,  Mr. C a ld w e l l  

and Mr. Arno ld ,  you w i l l  not be a b le  to put on an
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token in  d i s cove ry  as a l s o  p r o o f .  That i s ,  thare  i 

i s  s imply no b a s i s  tha t ,  the Court  f e e l s  that  i s  | 

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the adverse  p a r ty  and then a l s o  the d i s c ove ry  depo­

s i t i o n ,  submit a sworn d e p o s i t i o n .

MR. CALD7ELL; I f  Your Honor p l e a s e ,  i f  I may| 

i n t e r j e c t .  !

The r u l e  p e r t a i n i n g  to the adverse  p a r t y ,  as 

I understand i t ,  docs not p reven t ,  i n  the absence  

o f  the adverse  p a r t y ,  and v/e agree  v/ith Your honor  

that  v;o should  go through a broad range o f  a u v o r s e l - -

r i g h t  and a u th o r i t y  to do that .

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a u th o r i t y  has ,  the Court has the a u t h o r i t y ,  not to 

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MR. CALDh'ELL: I d o n ' t  d i spu te  th a t .  I agree

that  tho Court can r e j e c t .

THE COURT: That i s  tho v;ay i t  i s  going to

bo.  Ue are going to p o r u i t  you to in t roduco  Mr. 

R ichards '  d e p o s i t i o n ,  even though you have put hiru 

on the s tand ,  v;e are  going to l e t  you go ahead and 

proceed .  I am not going to admit tho testimony of  

the w i tness  and the d e p o s i t i o n .

MR. ChLDifELL; h 'e l l ,  there  might bo otner  

th ings  in  the adverse  p a r t i e s '  d e p o s i t i o n  which 

we v;ould l i k e  to in t ro du ce ,  which would not be 

cumulat ive  of  anything that ,  which wan gone in to  

with the p a r ty  on the w i tness  stand ,  and I j u s t  

would l i k e  to make that  c l e a r ,  j u s t  because v/c do 

c a l l  an adverse  p a r t y ,  o r  j u s t  because someone i s  

c a l l e d  to the stand,  does not i n c lu d e ,  p rec lude  us 

from in t roduc ing  i>art o f  the d e p o s i t i o n  because he 

docs not have,  that  which he has not t e s t i f i e d  to 

\/hile ha was on the s tand .

THE COURT: A l l  r i g h t ,  do you want to be

heard?

MR. SHEA; I f  Your Honor p l e a s e ,  they are

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1 taking  a double  b i t e  at the app le ,  as Your Honor 

has s a i d .  xou have the r i g h t ,  v;hi le thi^- w i tness  

i s  on the stand ,  to ask hiia every th ing  that  he 

v;ants, every th ing  that  i s  covered in  the d e p o s i t i o n ,  

and I  f e e l  that  ho shou ld  do that  r a t h e r  than at  

a l a t e r  time su bn i t  the d e p o s i t i o n .  I don ’ t  think  

that i s  f a i r .  I d o n ' t  think the? r u l e s  r e q u i r e  or  

p e r m i t .

YlIE COURT: W e l l ,  I  am g o in g  to so r u l e ,  i t

you choose your r i g h t  to c a l l  an adverse  p a r t y ,  

then you v ; i l l  examine that  adverse  p a r ty  and tiiat  

i s  going to be the p ro o f  and evidence that  you are  

going to p re sent  of  an adverse  p a r t y .

I f  you are going to p resent  h i s  d e p o s i t i o n ,

under the Rule,  then you laay p re sent  h is  deposit ion. ,
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him a l s o  as a s o - c a l l e d  adverse  p a r t y .

MR. CALD./RLL: Does that  mean Hr.  Richards?

THE COURT: Ho, s i r ,  I make the excep t ion  in

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r u l i n g  i s  that  you w i l l  e i t h e r  c a l l  an adverse  

p a r t y ,  i f  you seek to g a t  in  h i s  p r o o f  and ev idence ,  

test imony,  and you can examine him on the stand ,  

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I t  luay be nrir];Gd as an e x h i b i t  and I ‘ ;a sure  

you w i l l  cjGt the b e n e f i t  o f  t!iat perhaps ,  on a pp e l ­

l a t e  r ev iew ,  but  tJiis Court i s n ' t  goiny to look at  

the d e p o s i t i o n  i f  you have brought  him as an 

adverse  pa r ty  as a w itness^

HR. C/vLDWbLL; We do take excep t ion  to the 

C o u r t ' s  r u l i n g .

Tiu: COURT; A l l  r i g h t ,  s i r .

I ara not p r e c lu d in g  you, in the case of  

Richards ,  because that  has a l r eady  been done, but  

that  i s  the r u l e  from here on.

MR. SHEA: Your Honor, j u s t  to make the rocorc

c l e a r ,  I would o b j e c t  to the i n t r o d u c t i o n  o f  Mr,  

R ic h a rd ' s .

Tim COURT: I understand .  The reco rd  v ; i l i  so

note .

MR. ARUOLD: I wish to c a l l  the C o u r t ' s  a t t e n ­

t io n  to the d e p o s i t i o n  o f  P. J.  Cox, a t  page f o r t y -  

one, l i n e s  n ineteen  through tv;enty- f  o u r .

MR. HHRA; Excuse me, i f  Your Honor xj lease.

Mr, Cox i s  he re .  I t  i s  my understand ing that  

Your Honor has ru l ed  they c a n ' t  use the depo s i t i on  

and c a l l  him as an adverse  p a r t y .

THE COURT; That i s  c o r r e c t .

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How, v/hero i s ,  \men i a  the,  v;hat i s  the p u r ­

pose of  read ing  frot; i lr,  Cox ’ s d e p o s i t i o n  at  th i s  

time, i f  he is - - - excuso  rae, I can ask t h i s  questicri  

Are you going to c a l l  Mr. Cox as an adversje party?

MR. AKHOLD: Ho, not under the C o u r t ’ s r u l i n g  

I d en ’ t  p lan  to .

Till: COURT; The pa r ty  i s  c e r t a i n l y  f r e e ,  f o r  

c l a r i f i c a t i o n , you r e a l i z e  then i t  i s  in troduced  

i f  i t  i s  a d e p o s i t i o n  to be in t roduced ,  the Court  

w i l l  read thcit d e p o s i t i o n ,  but  the p a r ty  i s  c e r ­

t a i n l y  f r e e  to c a l l  to the C o u r t ' s  a t t e n t i o n  those  

p a r t i c u l a r  pos t ions  v/hich they f e e l  o f  s i g n i f i c a n c e  

and p a r t i c u l a r l y  p e r t i n e n t  to show, and Mr. Arnold  

i s  f r e e  to road v;hatevcr p o r t i o n s  o f  the d e p o s i t i c n  

that  he d e s i r e s  to go in to  h is  p roo f  and ev idence .

MR. ARHOLD; No, s i r ,  v/e are not ,  t h i s  i s  a |
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TIIR COURT; But you may c a l l  to the C o u r t ' s  i
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t i e n s  v/hich you f e e l  i s  r e l e v a n t  to your  case .  I

HR. SHUA; A l l  r i g h t .

Nov/, Mr. Cox i s  going  to be c a l l e d  as a v/it- 

ness , and that  w i l l  be t h e i r  oppo r tun i ty  to c r o s s -  

examine. Why are  we read ing  sojnetliing from h is

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d e p o s i t i o n  now v/hilo tne p l a i n t i f f   ̂ the co;.)piainan^ 

i s  s t i l l  pu t t ing  on h is  p roo f  in  ch ie f?

Till; COURT; Liecause, i t  i s  be ing p resented  

under the Rule,  Hr. Shea. Tncro i s  an 

to be an in c r e a s in g  p ro b l e n ,  that  the Court has ,  

with regard  to m a n a g a b i l i t y . I 'm  not t a lk in g  

about th i s  p a r t i c u l a r  l a w s u i t ,  but  most, more i'l'e- 

quent ly ,  the p l a i n t i f f  i s  p u t t ing  on the defendant  

v;itno3ses and many times there  i s  nothing l e f t  f o r  

the defendant  to put on.

HR. SHEA: That i s  what I 'm th ink ing  o f .

THE COURT: Sometimes that  i s  the case ,  and

i t  i s  a d i f f i c u l t  th ing in  the o rd ina ry  concept ion
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procedure ,  but  the Court  ru led  that  the p l a i n t i f f  Ij

has,  the p l a i n t i f f s  have a r i g h t ,  under the Rule,  j 

to p re sent  e i t h e r  an adversa  p a r ty  w i tness  on the
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our p roo f  in  c h i e f ,  v/e wish to c a l l  the C o u r t ' s  | 

a t t e n t i o n  to .  •I

THE COURT; And v/e r e s e r v e  the r i g h t  o f  the ! 

defendant  to r e c a l l  that  w i tness  i f  they d e s i r e  to j
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1 c ro 3 c -e ; tan ina t ion ,  in  that  s i t u a t i o n ,  the Court  

w i l l  po in t  out ,  w i l l  be c l o s e l y  l im i t e d  to the 

matters that  are  b rought  out in any subsequent  

examinat ion by the defendant  o f  that  pa r ty  as the 

d e f e n d a n t ' s  w i tn e s s .

In o ther  words ,  there  w i l l  not be ,  p a r t i c u l a r l y  

in the case o f  R ichards ,  the. p l a i n t i f f s ,  to be abl^  

to be ab le  to, to be a f f o r d e d  to examine him, the 

Court does not f e e l  tha t  i t  i s  a f a i r  procedure  at  

a l l .

MR. flllEA: I d o n ' t  e i t h e r .

THK COURT: A l l  r i g h t ,  s i r .

MR. ARb’OLD: I f  the Court plea.se,  o b v i o u s ly

s t a t i n g .  I 'm  read ing  from the d e p o s i t i o n  o f  P. J.

Cox ,

MR. SHEA: What page now, i^lease?

MR. ARNOLD; Page f o r t y - o n e ,  l i n e  f i f t e e n  

through tv/enty-f o u r .

( Pveading) ;

"Quest ion :  Did you r e c e i v e  any t r a i n i n g

e i t h e r  at  the p o l i c e  academy or a f t e r  that  

that  when you are  us ing a f i r e a rm  you are  

supposed to shoot  to l . i l l  or  shoot  to v/ound 

or  shoot  to c r i p p l e ?  |

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"Q u e s t i o n : v.'hen you p u l l e d  the tri>.jger

on that  gun, you shoot to k i l l ?

"Answer:  R i g h t . "

THh COURT; Gentlemen^ wo w i l l  have to break  

at  th i s  p o i n t .  We have a message from the j u r y .

HR. CALDWELL: Your Honor, we in tended  to

s t a r t  v/ith Ch ie f  L u x ' s  testimony next ,  but I think  

there  are  luatters that  v ; i l l  take up some time.

May be freshex- to s t a r t  with  him in the morning.

MR. SHEA; Can he be excused then,  perhaps ,  

nay he be excused?

MR, CAL DWE LL: Yes,  s i r .

MR. SHEA; Your Honor, w e ' l l  s t a r t  aga in  at  

nine th i r t y ?

THE COURT; S t a r t  aga in  at  nine f i f t e e n .

HR. SHEA: Nine f i f t e e n .

MR, CALDWELL; Your Honor, in o rde r  to c l e a r  

up the d i spu te  about the dc -poa i t ions , and the 

o b j e c t i o n  in t h e i r  i n t e r r o g a t o r i e n , not j u s t  the 

p o r t i o n s  that  we read - -  ( i n t e r r u p t e d )

THE COURT; Yes ,  s i r ,  u n l e s s ,  un less  we need 

to o th e rw i s e ,  I v/i l l  ask the p a r t i e s  to n;ark the 

p o r t i o n s  o f  the d e p o s i t i o n  which they deem to bo | 

p e r t i n e n t  nnd m a t e r i a l ,  and then w ith  the opportun ity

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c f  the o ther  a ide  to ,  i f  they f e e l  that  th i s  i s  net  

a f a i r  r e p r e s e n t a t i o n  o f  what i s  so t  f o r t h  in  the  

d e p o s i t i o n ,  .suggest o ther  p o r t i on s  th a t ,  in  the 

event that  i t  i s ,  i t  iniglit p re sen t  a d i s t o r t i o n  to 

cons ide r  those a d d i t i o n a l  p o r t i o n s ,  but  I arn p r e ­

suming in th i s  in s t a n c e ,  that  you a re  moving the 

d e p o s i t i o n s  o f  Cox, Rolcson,  Ca l l iham,  Mr. R ich a rd i ,  

in t h e i r  e n t i r e t y  in to  evidence?

MR. CALDVlELL: Tliat i s  c o r r e c t ,  Your Honor.

TKi: COURT; A l l  r i g h t ,  s i r .

MR, SHEA; Just  as a matter o f  t r y in g  to 

understand,  why, i f  they are  in t ro du c in g  the whole  

th ing ,  I would l i k e  to have them a l l  road .

THE COURT; Mr. Shea,  you w i l l  have an oppor ­

tu n i t y ,  v;hcn your time coiaes, to p o in t  out any par  ­

t i c u l a r  n a t t e r  that  you wish to ,  i f  you wish to
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do that ,  that  you f e e l  o f  s p e c i a l  importance with  | 

r ega rd  to the n a t t e r s  tha t  have been submitted .

hs 1 e x p l a in e d ,  counse l  f o r  the p l a i n t i f f ,  in  

in t ro du c in g  these items i n to  ev idence ,  the Court  

i s  going to cons ide r  i t  a l l  and road i t  a l l ,  but

i f  there  are  p a r t i c u l a r  p o r t i o n s  o f  i t  that  are |
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c a l l e d  to the C o u r t ' s  a t t e n t i o n ,  p a r t i c u l a r l y ,  then 

prov ided  they are  not extended uiatte rs ,  then the j 

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unusual  procedure!.  Your Honor, to permit  these  

peop le  to invoke the p a r t i c u l a r  r u l e .

Tim COURT: Yes,  s i r .

MR. GHHA; by ca l l in '^  an adverse  p a r ty  and 

us ing the d e p o s i t i o n ,  and then, w e l l ,  I guess Your 

Honor has cured the p o in t  by saying  y o u *11 read  

the e n t i r e  d e p o s i t i o n ,  but  i t  i s  j u s t  not the p a r t  

that  they p o in t  ou t .

THE COURT: I f  any p o r t i o n  o f  a d e p o s i t i o n

des i g n a te d ,  as the Court  understands i t ,  under the 

r u l e s ,  i f  an adverse  p a r ty  does not f o c i  that  i s  

f a i r  and r e a s o n a b le ,  i f  i t  i s  be ing  sensuous,  i s  

be ing  cut out ,  or  i f  i t  i s  be ing  o f f e r e d  out o f  

contex t ,  or  some other  n a t t e r ,  the adverse  par ty  

i s  a f f o r d e d  that  o p p o r tu n i ty ,  that  the e n t i r e  thing  

i s  read ,  A par ty  o f f e r i n g  tho d e p o s i t i o n ,  or  an 

adverse  p a r ty  i s  not compel led  to go in to  a l l  

aspects  nor to in c lude  a l l  po r t ion s  o f  the d e p o s i -
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t i o n ,  j u s t  those i^ortions w.hich they f e e l  a r e ,  or  ' 

cla imed are  f a v o r a b l e  to t h e i r  v i e w p o in t .

MR. GIJEA: Y e s , s i r .

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becomes incumbent upon the Court to road tho e n t i r e  

r e co rd .  !

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THE COURT; Yes.  s i r ,  and the Court  w i l l  read;
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MR. CALDilELL: W e i l ,  Your Honor, I have f i v e

d e p o s i t i o n s  v/hich v;e have not ,  which have not p r e ­

v i o u s l y  been f i l e d  v/ith the c l e r k ,  which I  would  

j u s t  l i k e  to i d e n t i f y  and f i l e  and then I ' l l  p r o ­

ceed to v/hich of  them we v/ould propose to o f f e r  

in to  ev idence ,  and the d e p o s i t i o n  o f  J e w e l l  G, Ray 

taken January IG,  1975, the d e p o s i t i o n  o f  J. W. 

Hubbard, taken the same day,  the d e p o s i t i o n  o f

Henry Lux, taken the same day,  and the d e p o s i t i o n  I
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o f  B i l l  P r i c e  taken the same day,  and the d e p o s i t i o n
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o f  'Wyeth Cl iandlor,  taken the same day,  and. Your 

Honor, I j u s t  today r e c e i v e d  then, and they have 

not been p r e v i o u s l y  f i l e d  with  the c l e r k .

How, as ,  we would o f f e r  them, o f f e r  Mayor 

C h a n d le r ' s  d e p o s i t i o n  in  i t s  e n t i r e t y ,  and there  

nay bo some p o r t i on s  we v/ould l i k e  to h i g l i l i g h t ,  

which I can do tomorrow, but  v/e do think that  sub -
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d e p o s i t i o n  and C h io f ,  former Ch ie f  P r i c e ’ s deposi -^  

t ion  in  t h e i r  e n t i r e t y  a l s o ,  and we v/i l l  t ry  to j 

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L o t ' s  see ,  Ch ie f  Lux, v/e are c a l l i n g  as a w i t ­

ness ,  D i r e c t o r  iiubbard, Your Honor, I v/ould l i k e  

to o f f e r ,  o f f e r  i n to  evidence  only p o r t i o n s  o f  the  

d e p o s i t i o n ,  but  in  viev/ o f ,  in  view o f  Mr. Shea ' s  

conxaents, I  d o n ' t  v;ant to v.’a s te  the C o u r t ' s  time 

by r ead in g  my s e l e c t e d  pages ,  and then having hira, 

i f  he i s  going to i n s i s t  that  the i/hole d e p o s i t i o n  

be read .

THE COURT: 'Well ,  do you need to worry about

th a t .  Hr.  Caldv;el l? I  have got  other  matters to 

t ry  as important  as t h i s  matter ,  and the Court i s  

not go ing to s i t  here  and l e t  e i t h e r  s ide  read a l l jI
of  these d e p o s i t i o n s  in to  the reco rd  in  a non- jury|

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case .  So I  have in d i c a t e d  that  e i t h e r  o f  you may | 

read those p o r t i o n s  which you want to c a l l  to the | 

C o u r t ' s  s p e c i a l  a t t e n t i o n .  N e i th e r  s i d e  i s  going  

to be permit ted  to s i t  here and read a l l  o f  the 

d e p o s i t i o n s  to the Court .

MR. SHEA; Excuse mo. May I  speak to counse l  

f o r  a moment? We might ge t  r i d  o f  these ,  o f  th i s  

t r i a l  t h i s  a f t e rnoon .

Hay I apeak to you, Mr. Arnold?

THE COURT: A l l  r i g h t ,  s i r .

(V'/hereupon, an o f f - t h e - r e c o r d  con ference  I

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1 wa;? hold bctv/een Mr. Ghea and the opposinq  

at to rney^ '> j'anie not r epo r teo  on the reco rd  by 

request  o f  c o u n s e l . )

MR. Slid/-.: 1'  vci s o r r y .  Your Honor, I thought

raybe v/e could j u s t  t ry  t h i s  case and, on d e p o s i ­

t i o n s ,  but  apparent ly  we can ’ t .

THE COURT: ?.ll r i g h t ,  you r:iay p roceed ,  Mr.

Caldwe11.

MR. CJiLDWELL: Your Honor, Mr. Shea j u s t  i n ­

formed us that  he w i l l  i n s i s t  on a l l  o f  D i r e c to r  

Hubbard ’ s d e p o s i t i o n  be ing  in troduced  in to  evidenci>,  

and in v iew o f  th a t ,  1 * 1 1  j u s t  novo that  the e n t i r  

d e p o s i t i o n  be adn i t t o d ,  and T would l i k e  t o ,  to  

b r i e f l y  h i g h l i g h t  a few items from that  d e p o s i t i o n  

beg inn ing  at page e i g h t  o f  the d e p o s i t i o n .  Your  

Honor, and t h i s  v/as taken January 16, 197a, and I 

not ice  that  the d e p o s i t i o n  bears  h i s  name as 

i n i t i a l  " J . ” , i n i t i a l  "V?." Hubbard. I think i t  is  

"Jay W." " J - a - y  V7." I b e l i e v e  tl iat i s  the c o r r e c t

s p o i l i n g  o f  h i s  name.

Beginning  on page e i g h t  at  l i n e  f i f t e e n :

(Reading)  ;

"Quest ion :  Did you r e c e i v e  s t a tenenrs

o f  concern from i n d i v i d u a l s  o u t s i d e  the depai  

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pcroons we might c l a s s i f y  as b l ack  community 

l e ade r s?  ’*

And to put that  qu es t ion  in  contex t ,  I might  

break away and say that  the qu es t ion  i s  having to  

do with development o f  g u i d e l i n e s  to govern the 

use o f  deadly  f o r c e .

"Answer:  O b jec t ions  from the b lack  com-

munity,  e v e r y t in e  a b l ack  nan v/as shot ,  i s  

c a t e g o r i c a l ,  i t  i s  automatic ,  i t  i s  a r e f l e x ,  

and I have i t  everytirae v;e shoot .

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f ormation  o f  the now p o l i c y ?

"Ansv;er: Y e s . "

And I  might i n t e r j e c t  there ,  and say the nev/ 

p o l i c y  was adopted i n ,  in  February ,  1974.

Proceed ing  on page nine:

"Quest ion :  And s i n c e ,  w h i l e  the nev;

p o l i c y  has been in e f f e c t ?

"Answer:  I t  i s  iramodiately assumed on

the p a r t  o f  some o f  the b lack  l e a d e r s h ip  in  iI
the commuiiity that  the p o l i c e  f i r e  because the 

man i s  b l a c k ,  and apparent ly  because they 

thought i t  was pe rm i t ted .  That assumption i s  

r a i s e d  evcrytiuie we have a s i t u a t i o n  v;here a 

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As f a r  as any s p e c i f i c  complaint  addressed  to 

the d i r e c t i v e  tha t  v;as in e f f e c t  b e f o r e  t h i s  

one, I have no knov/ledgo o f  any s p e c i f i c  com­

p l a i n t  excerpt the g e n e r a l  complaint  that  they 

j u s t  had the f e e l i n g  that  too many b lack  men 

were be ing  shot .  Of course ,  our answer to 

that  i s  too many b l ack  men v;ere committing  

f e l o n i e s .

"Quest ion :  You s t a t e d  the r e a c t i o n  i s

automatic .  I  assur.ia you don ’ t f i n d  th i s  type 

o f  c r i t i c i s m  or  input  c on s t ru c t i v e?

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e x i s t s .  Ue know, as a matter  o f  f a c t ,  that  |
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i n c i d e n t .  v/e do not expect  approva l  from the i 

black  community v/hen we shoot  a b l ack  man, 

e%’’en i f  i t  i s  done by a b l ack  o f f i c e r .  V/o 

d o n ' t  expect  i t ,  we don ’ t  care  about i t .  Quri
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problem i s  to ge t  a t  the f a c t s  , v;as i t  or  was I 

i t  not j u s t i f i e d ,  and v;o t ry  to a r r i v e  at

that  through a very  c l e a r  and methodica l  p ro - 1

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have a f i r e a rm s  rev iew  b o a r d . "

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Your Honor, i.n the context  o f  a qu es t i on  about the I 

p o l i c y  g u i d e l i n e s  govern ing deadly  f o r c e  aga in ,  and 

l i n o  twenty,  I ’ l l  read ;  j

"Quest ion :  Then the b a s i c  p o l i c y  re s  t r i e

t ion  con f ines  hira?

"Answer:  You r e s t r i c t  the p o l i c y  to

when he can un h o l s te r  that  th ing  and you must
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judgments to raake and i t  i s  good f o r  hira to 

have some c l e a r  guidance ,  and we t ry  to improv’e 

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"Answer:  Me don ’ t apply dead ly  io rce  a:

a do te ren t .  ;iy own p e r son a l  b e l i e i  i s  tnat  

c a p i t a l  punisiinont i s  a d e t e r e n t .  My own per-- 

sona l  b e l i e f  i s  that  the th re a t  o f  deadly  

f o rce  has to c o n s t i t u t e  sorr.o k ind of  dote rent  

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o f  deadly  f o r c e ,  g iven  the sarae comnmnity of  

cr ime-prone i n d i v i d u a l s ,  would j u s t  taka one 

more re st ra inment o f f  o f  t h e i r  a c t i v i t y ,  so 

in that  sense I  would say that  the th r e a t  o f  

dead ly  f o r c e ,  the knov;ledge in  the c i t y  that  

under c e r t a in  s p e c i f i c  c i rcumstances  o f f i c e r s  

w i l l  draw t h e i r  weapon and f i r e  i t ,  I  f e e l  ha^ 

to be regarded  as some kind o f  d e t e ren t  to  

se r i o u s  c r ime ."

THE COURT; Mr. C a ld w e l l ,  you way cont inue on 

that  matter ,  i t  i s  about f i v e  minutes beyond the 

time that  I  i n d i c a t e d  b e fo r e  that  we v;ere going  to 

go, and there  i s  no need or p ress  to ge t  that  in  

today,  r a th e r  than tomorrow, so 1 * 1 1  i n t e r r u p t  you 

at  th i s  time, and I 'm j u s t .  I ' l l  excuse you g e n t l e ­

men u n t i l  nine f i f t e e n  tomorrow morning.

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