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Case Files, Thornburg v. Gingles Working Files - Guinier. Copy of the Congressional Record for the Senate with Notes (S. 6778-6779), 1982. 6beafc47-dc92-ee11-be37-6045bdeb8873. LDF Archives, Thurgood Marshall Institute. https://ldfrecollection.org/archives/archives-search/archives-item/98116f52-0c30-45b5-aadf-281ec09c18db/copy-of-the-congressional-record-for-the-senate-with-notes-s-6778-6779. Accessed April 06, 2025.
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I s 6778 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD - SENATE to have thls matter brought to B vote Although r dlsaEree wlth the conclu. a.s expeditiously as possible. f have sions of the distlnEruished Senator sald that from day one. I s:ill vote for from UCah, I thlnk that the Senate ls cloture today as I have always lntend- ltself ln his debt for the numerous, ex- ed to do. tensive, and comprehensive heartngs I have made the potnt that I dls- which were held on thls blll. a.gree with sectlon 2 and sectlon 5 and My own sense, as I shall dellneate, ls that my primary obJectlons lie wtth that the bill ls constltutlonal as lt ls sectlon 2. I have made the polnt thet wrltten; that lt ls not necessary that the constltutlonaltty of thts matter ls the Votlng Rtghts Act parrot the 15th not concluslvely resolved. regerdless of emendment tn terms ol any constttu- what the Senate or the House of Rep- uonal requlrement of an lntent stand- resentagves do here. Thts matter wlll ard tr order to be constttuttonal that I qo I5 procee(l Eo mBEe a recoro. . - ttve hlstory Ol the a,nendrnent tO SeC; l.l1o!u^jJ"Iv,Io!_r._fl!-cgopelat€ to tron z ano-provin recod ot judcral re. not be resolved finally untll the Su- the Congress has full euthortty to preme Court speaks deflnlttvely. I be- have a dlfferent stenda.rd of prool, and lleve that when tt does, lt wlll strtke that the results test wlll pess consutu. down the asrended sectlon 2. tlonal muster. Although I differ trom s eonstltu- Stnce we have Eome 63 nlnutes tg, tlonal perspecttve wlth these two oof nelntnC untU the tlmo for the cloture vlslons, I slrongly Eupport tnc Voitns voler I thlnt thlr would be an sppr6 RlghLr Act and -strongly cupmrt lti prlete tlme to eleboratc brlefly on ny tradltlonal goals and obJecttves. ngYs. "Jfl,;il"-f"li[t??:?3til"til:fl 'T;"T',ll33iliH,lHf"1f"f *:iuttonar Offiicur-Ues ,4thE.ffifi;ft. proceed as promptly !6 posslble to the blll reenectnent of leglslailon to protect J"I"m,J3#,"%Sf;g:IfftrHItr"i:ry"-9"il,i3*,X.li:ffilli"i: *t fr i;;31ffIi#5,T# n#H l8ff-#,.'*ffi "HUT"","H #,ffiH.5 f$n$rt #i *,rt"lf$ H-"*"' "'f; -ffi'r',"r""u tr_hqy9-pGg..3 grrsr- ffiHffia, rrrrtrner aS pOSSlble. ;*r,"*"'"X-5il,Ff i5,iry5gHPf"i;;3h"rl'"'"'."Iffi Tiffi "ucndnents and r.esolve thlr natter *i'r- hopcl,t ttrrt thc gcnete wlllonc way or the other. ,ffi Ihave been maklng. tremes are enuued to llttte wetght tn . ,t-t the present tlme, -a!I thet.I wtsh ii,;l;ht ;G;;;ne,;ci-crt", legtsla,to do ls proceed to meke a record. iirl 'rrrot^* at i.tea onanzlmanO 0a aa- June 15, 1982 bers almost purely and simply have prevailed. In the context of charges of raclal discrimination, numbers have . always assumed and will likely conttn. ue to assume a Iess prominent rote as one part of the fabrlc of the clalm. Neither I nor any of the other co- sponsors of the perfectlng language to sectlon 2 have spoken ln favor ol "raclal quotas". Indeed, the btll passed by the House, the Senate bfll 65 of us heve cosponsored, and the compromlse language aecepted by the Commlttee on the Judlclary each expressly dts- avows the lntentlon and result wlth whlch opponents seek to color the debate. The Eouse blll and the orlglnal lan. guage of S. 1002 proclalm: Thc lac0 tJrat meDrbeE of. r mlnorlty tiroup havc Dot bcen elected ln numberr equel to the lroup't Droporilon ot the popu. latlon ghall not, ln and ol ltselt. consutute r vlolatlon ol thls eectlon. And the report ol the Eouse Com- mlttee on the Judlclary explalneil Itc Dropoced araendhaBt doca not creatGr rtsht of DroDortlon8l reprelentailon Thur, the trc0 thst nemberr ol . nctal or len8rlasc Elnorlt, 3roup have not be€n clcctcd ln nunbcr! GqUEI to the Sxoupt Drc Dorttorr ol ttrc Dopulatlon doer not, ln ttseu. ooutltutc a vlolBtloD ol the recuon el- tJrough arch proot ilona rrtth ottrer ob,eo Uve frcton would bc hlShly ttlevsnt. Net. thcr doee'tt creetc r rlght to DroDotilonel reprcrentrilott rr I renedy. lf that lenguBgc lett eny doubt ln others' Elnd4 thc blll rcportcd by ttrc courmltt€c leever ao roon tor nlrun- derstandtng when lt !ays: Ttre ettcnt to ?hlch nembcrr ol r Drot ctcd clelr hevc bcen electad to olflcc ln thc Etrtc or Dollttcsl lubdlvhlon lr onc ..clr- cuEltalroG' rhlch nry bc coruldercd, Dro- vldcd thet lothlDt h thll rcctton ccttblbh6. rlght to brvc nemben ql r protcct Gd drlr clectcd ln nunbert cqurt to ttretr proDottloB ln thc populetlon Could there be a nore dtrect denlal of any tntent to enact ractal quotas? Could there be any more preclse dls- evowal of thet whlch lncltes the rhet orle ol rsce? I.et u8 not shrtnt lrom ln surlng the fundamental rlghts of raclal and language mlnorltles ln ol such sn lng or some portent of the raclal quotas opponents of the totality-of-clr- cumstences test conJure forth. I-et them polnt to an exarnple of excess or guota m8ktrg. They have not because, slmply stat€4 they cannot. The courts have been most careful and restretred ln thls reSard and declare at every turn that raclal quotas ere not the test nor goal. As the commlttee report notes: gettlng thts bfll resolved one wBy or gtralnL the oth-er. I persolally hope that ell-ot Anr. --prestaent, ttrc ucndment toour colleszues wlu conrlder voflng tor secflon z oittrc ict-aos not tniroaucecloture on thls matter. prool oI resurts oi dlgcrtntneflon G-iMr. SPE9IER. Mr. Eesldent, f Joh radlcal way; such o nethod of piooi wlth the dlsttngulshed Senator from has atwayJ exbted. f.foi aoej tfie utah- ln the hoge that cloture wlll be amendment to secilon 2 tnJec[-nim- voted and thst we can proceed to the bers wlth any new maglc. Btattsttcat conslderaiion of thls lmportant plece evldence wlli rematn -whet lt hasof leglslatlon. r comnenq the- dlsiln- always been, a pert of a showlns tromgulshed senator lrom utah for the whtcir a co-urt- ntgtrl conctuae ttratvery extenslve work whlch he has. racial dlscrlmlnauoir tn the aeuat of 9oqg ln the Judtclary Commlttee and abrldgment of vottng rlghts has been were held before the subcommtttee on rn reapporttonment cases not lnvolv.the constltutlon. I Dertlclpatea ur trrs cladB ol dlscrtmlniuon no ptatn- those hearlng,' glthough not e ilfl ts requlred to prove the ud;wful member of thet partlcular subcommlt- "purpose" ol the- leglslature ln ltstee. uneven drawlng ol dlstrlct Unes. Nu;- Juru A1rts the a Court slmlla BnY rl puts 1 Yolce( T'tr 'work past 18 ltr cesel norll ol tl whlc Prrtcb sent chal IN ton tot pro( eDu Plur Bol It crll tbe tlor tur', to!'Ir ' 'ol .5.lx trB tlo tlo El! ty to .at 8r h, AI cfl lll tn st ol fl tr p o,U [,r t c It t ( t I I l $ ,l I il )l l ..t I lr I I I t- t t lc L. ll D L t t rl n e 'i 'lane 15, 1982 ltk dbclalmer te cntlrely oartct Dt Tlttr ttrc lbove-menlloned Eupremc Cour3 ud Court ol Appeelr prectdentrt rhlch contrla dntlas rtst€ments rcgerdng thc ebccncc ol uu rlght to proportlonel rcprercntetlon It Drrtr to lcst rny GoDo?llr t'lrrt brve bccn volc.d about rsclal quotrs. i;- Ihe great value ol rccoaltmlns rorltnSi test ol thc courts ovcr. rut decade up to tlrc Boldcu llt b lt! utlllW lP dlstlnsxdlhfng: ctrer ln rhlclr e radelor lengnnSp nclty ltx bcen cllectlYply lcnced ol thc polltlcel Dmccal ton tlrm ln . thlch r Sroup rrm mcrclt ldled tO I frdclDltc glvar en cqud omorfirnlt,I or bcto uncuccc$ful tn elcgtln3 rcDrc' , centattves ol lte cbolce gtrco r lelr e,hrnce. In thls regard, I thlnt tt lnDortlnt to note, lI only brlctly, why I levor ttre CONGRESSIONAL RE@RD - SENATB s 67?9 € rl ,e l- It holdlng ol dbcrlnlnruon on remlnA Tlre rtshts ol raclel rnd lengurm ml. aorltles should not be Eade to depend on tbc rdrnlrston ol rrdrl EoUvstlon or erallebtllty of ancb cxtcndvc locel Bponrcrr, thll neasure should notr pmoeed to spcedY Pessrga ltrlth the contlnued cooperetlon of our col' leagues ln the Eou8e, we ghould now be eblc to meet our AuSuct deadllne o- rl- d lt 2: ot h" e l- ------4. end lulllu our leglslettve recponslblu-.. thc adrclrtlstlnccstrty.ffia*.illrtda;IE:'*- t st, on trrc other hr'T!^ryj5ql9l _I1l9 ryryP^qo oEEICER. rtle conotnend lL It doc. not reqdrc tJrot senatorfronUtalu cblrSe or. shco Dn vcoi tlrc bnod ol tlr. EATICE lf,r. Ecaldent, I I'tnt . rrclrm- It doce not tnvoltc tlrc Fldcn! to thrnl ttre dlstlngglahed Ecnator ,udtctr ln nlolntl -thc -uncxprcaacd fron Pcnnsylvrnlr lbr b1' Llnd 1" noilvaflonr ol atrla lcglelr,tlvc of cr' merfr eUoufnc tn h1' ctrt mcnt hct." cetrtlvc actlon todrv. Elr ellortr tlosclvu deterre htgh ptelrs. Tbc tlentlemen her rtsted bortver thst thc opDoncntr ol ttre rcsuftr t tt h*vc lelled to cltc e ctngle easc tn whlch there has been the lmpocltton of Droportlonsl repreaentatlon Al- v' 'i I l iotelliotcfiurnsten&s iesl over the cW--!v voEurg ror uroEG ,uao---IlrL thowh I egrec thEt t!! cannot caslly p'-t.t+"p;* rea{1flffiffi ffi1f*Ltl1ltgt ts13. *}* f,*"# HrHry,?j*l#'r5munctated bv JusUceainctuddsi-J,sticefi KH,H,H#ffi #Brt"r;*ffi E"":11i;#J*H[ieT#$plurallty oplnlon ln ) E^ldon pru,.urlv uPuuvs a *=1==: end totercatr ctanot E -Sy11f* frinii, i;uld sttC rcverat-eximpliBoldeIL r"iilfi il""rv,rsw.plf;tJ;ffi ,,BT]rEh$:-fr !,ffiS,ffiillJffi,#Str*"drffsiEillcrly con@med wlth t rn bsr'-to'acra a-l,]Iffifffl' ffiJ$j-]Lllffi'# H*j $:*,x?B$ FE*;.ff ]f*;nortty clttzens. It l,s theffiiH#fir#itilfi,ffi;.i#ftiit 13tt rs wher may bc requtnd by rbc ifi#),"cttt ot pctcnbao a. t nttzd :' ityot', thst rie * 44m}Iilll} :'#'i"tffi["*-t-"1p"-s:l- *f'j J#-* Si";;'g ;S,'*f;' It b at least qulzdc' rY.oer.ou**;#;;;;I; dence ncceasat?. ln amrdan_ce-rlt} iiiiii"i{lo us. 062.e?3), t.-tt,,d' ol mr colletsue! slil reaker, objeetlve cten llitTiln'i'#Igffi,xr,ig;:f;5"ili1'Lts#'i#,8.srpi?5;.?P,:'.g;-*mgiiygxr, rtrh reason ro beueve tt woutt iaenti: ed-the ptutrlltv'e'rper!tqgl-!!9."Iq -ii#;;. iurai-ciiiti-si"i cd si: l*;aiit'm**";:"""tl,1tit'r,:u: f':Iofy"f l,rffiFffii;lfriHtg iffi[i3fl;,Ti,LX*1."ffi8:,,{, ;ii;;ito;-toaiaarttonattesalstinaaras sovernlns tnlercnces lrom_facts._a'nd ffi;;ndfoii Crty and therr are ;d value". ln s ctvll bw Jetttng. there clrcumgtancer' t'lre nrler- tlt8l r.n8ke l.t, ;;;;. Tfire arc casei where the ..et- H;,t$i':::l*"Xtt"'r**' "l'yS; i:i"i::f.3T"',",Hx'#tt$j"8fi! :f;g; #*:,H;lfr,*:f,tl,x ctrcumstances or results test wher-eas, demends not Jttst prool of-lntent but ;fiifti:fi idoXea to me llke propor. ll,l"!if**"ill"ThJXfTJH"m'; "m*'J.HdHTLFl'{l{{i,"-*: ih;ffiptu;ilf:"#;;;; ," how ,. n >. ,- ir rl ? i- 7 t. I e il I I I t. I t r 3 t It onerous to prove sufflclent, protectlon ^-.'^:."""'-.^ rL^ -.^r,-- -,--.- ^,"^-1ll-i'::;;::: the "results" or "effeets" test has been is settlng. the objectlve totoltty to the votlng rlghts o( rnclnl nnd l"- vrrs rurur^ vr ffi8u:rgcmlnorlttes,whlchrightsare*in}f:9.l1-tl9,-?}]l;.I}:I9.1".^r*.^1TI l5t'1,"f",t*XW*nm:lnt:l"b:i*?,"itl::$i"l'J*:".f'"ffi i {;,.*ffiR*imff ;lfa,3rfii"Eil}:##"j":}i:ffi*fii+ "t iriJi-uv whtch to proteet ry;G,n through aectlon 2' theCourt dlscrtmlnationfnvotfng-.fneCongre-ss -ft'9 IFESPING OFEICER' The iiiiiiffii poi;" .iia s"ttroaii-li drern ilom se3ato3!1gt9gloAdo-.f-11"gi1a0, -ffi## :li fli*ffimfn,;'#""r,,itl o*#."ffi,if.,ffi,ii:hlffil$:l fffiitrnnffiL to 6act rdedt8l iegtrieuon ; ffi would vtlld me lmlnute. F Htrfffi,l$,*,.9*;"[H:ffi * ffi*1#a,ot,r*ronsry lliJ".lT"si*5;ti*ts*ltlll:xJr"rrffi ffi*"'f '3:Tql}:tri uef--aefJnaant ts dlgtculf enougtU tattli of ctrcungtiacer test ar th3t Vltlng Rlghtr Act extenslon lr,one of o16rt.rq the collectlve- subJectlve pur- sove-rnlnr sectlon 2 casea. tlre most tmportant pteccs ol leglsfs-provlng the collectlvg subJectlve pur- gorrernlng sectlon ! casea. . Eno mosE rmporr,aDE plecet or re8lrara' iose ot a leglslatutt 6r seitea of -gov- - tlhe .ludlclery Commlttee'e ecttonc tlon to be debated by Congtess thls -erntng poUttca,l bodles ls c aoclologl-cal are testlmony to the hlgh regtsrd vlth ye8r. It rppresents the hope end prom' trtstortri+ end psychologtcsl enter- whlch all votl4l rlghts aad mlnorlty lse on whlclr t'trls NaUon ls based-the prbe of 'the m&f ermrmous soope. rtghts should be beld. The eommlttee rtsht to Yote, te8ardless of race or lan' When the evtdentlery record does not blll ls e most slSnfflcant acblevement guege' contaln the cmdest -ractel eptthet or expandlng as tt docs the protcctlon for The blll now belore the Senate ls ;smottng gutr,;' the outcomeLrei well the votlng rlghts ol ractat ana rrn- supDOrt€d bv norc thl! tlrree'tourths depend on ttre avalleblllty ol I cen- nrage mlnorltlea WltJr tbe healdentl of ttre Members ol thls body. It bes tury-tong hlstortcal recor( such as strong, personal endortement rnd the been endorsed by tlre hesldenL. It tbgt wfuch relnstatcd the. Bolden extraordlnery nmber ol Senrte co- pasred ttrre Eouse of Reprccent*t'lves standard. 3"^Au fr,,*" ru